Letters to the Editor - 3/8/2008

By: Readers of the North County Times and The Californian | Friday, March 7, 2008 8:40 PM PST

Bipartisan energy bill a bad effort
If Patricia McFarlane (Letters, Feb. 25) had bothered to read the Energy Independence and Security Act, she might not have agreed with Nick Leibham. She states "that bill was a bipartisan effort." Fourteen Republicans voted for it, and seven Democrats voted against it. The majority of Democrats supported it; the majority of Republicans opposed it.

The bill does nothing to reduce our dependence on foreign oil or reduce our costs. It does nothing to increase the production of oil in this country. We have vast oil reserves off both coasts, in the Gulf of Mexico and in ANWR. Because of the environmentalists, we cannot drill for it. If we started a serious program to develop our own oil reserves, the price of gas would drop overnight. As long as foreign countries control the oil, the price will continue to rise and we will continue to send billions of dollars to foreign countries.

The bill increases fuel mileage to 35 mpg by 2020. Any fuel savings will be offset by our increased population. It will cost taxpayers $582 million over the next four years, and expand the use of environmentally damaging biofuels, and increase the price of corn.

Frank Thurlow

Vista

Region has economic strength
Among the bad news, hype and hostile opinion in the March 2 edition of your paper, one article stood out to me as positive: "Getting set to map North County" by SDNEDC (San Diego North Economic Development Council) CEO Gary Knight. The concept of mapping assets of North County instead of cataloguing "concerns" is an outstanding change of pace and should be applauded strongly.

Recent studies, as revealed in the book "Strength Finder," indicate that success comes much easier when people and organizations focus on core strengths rather than striving to correct weaknesses. Would this be true for our region also? How would we know without a map of our assets?

Nothing happens in government or at home until someone makes the sale. Economic strength is the only source of the funds for all the concerns expressed ad nauseam in the press. Fortunately, our region has abundant assets for economic strength and, as it expands and becomes more sustainable, our future becomes secure. Thank you to all the businesses that provide that economic strength, and thank you to SDNEDC Gary Knight.

David Nilson

Vista

My future job was just cut
I recently found out that next year there will be no music, arts or ROP classes at Carlsbad High ("Carlsbad school district approves plans to cut 187 jobs," Feb. 28). I'm not very well-informed on all that is happening, but that's what's been announced. Knowing that just two summers ago our high school impressed the governor and now, suddenly, those programs will be cut, it's hard to express the disappointment.

I urge everybody to write to our state senators and have them vote to not suspend Proposition 98. I cannot imagine high school without the programs. I've watched teachers build these programs up. Ralph Ewell, the former band director, did amazing things with the band, and all the progress he built up is now being continued by the new band director, Greg Anderson, who has the same passion for the band.

Christy Owen, the choir director, has taken a choir program that was mediocre and built it to an award-winning choral department that demands respect across the choir community. Our top dance team goes to Florida every year for championships and places first. Our theatre department holds a Broadway-worthy musical performance every year. Please, do something to make a difference! We can't lose these programs!

Jennifer Norval

Carlsbad

We'll clean our own toilets
What is the state of California doing to us taxpayers? We should follow Arizona's lead. If you're here without papers, go home. The employers who hire them should be fined or closed for, say, 30 days, first offense.

Our employees are legal residents whose families don't live here with them, and they are not milking our system for all it's worth. If an American goes to Mexico, they are not entitled to free school, health care or anything else.

Our state is being ruined by these lawbreakers. How can we raise our kids to obey the laws when our own state doesn't enforce them? The schools are ruined. The prison population is filled with illegal criminals. Enough already! The ACLU wants rights for these people. Go to Mexico and fight for them there.... If you're not here legally, you don't have any rights here. We taxpaying citizens are tired of paying for your kids. We'll clean our own toilets!

Claire O'Brien

Escondido

Silence of good people permits crime, not racism
Tania Bowman is an intelligent, thoughtful and compassionate lawyer. She knows what the law stands for. She is sworn to uphold the laws of California as well as the U.S. Constitution. Law is blind. It does not matter what nationality or color law breakers are; they are subject to federal, state and local laws. For her to compare World War II internment camps and the 1960s civil rights struggle to today's illegal immigration as racism is disappointing.

Her letter on Feb. 28 was, sadly, inflammatory and dehumanizing to the people for whom she advocates. If people who "look like Mexicans" behave like gang members and engage in criminal activities, they should be the target of law enforcement intervention in order to make the community a safer place for Tania and her family, along with all families of any color, race and culture. Anyone who engages in crime is subject to laws designed to protect society. The "silence of good people," as she put it, is permitting not racism but crime in Escondido. Why would a good citizen who is a lawyer think it racist to enforce the law in order to protect legal citizens and immigrants?

Nancy Paige

Escondido

Riehl is wrong about street skateboarding
Richard Riehl, in his column "In defense of nanny state," Feb. 29, made an incorrect interpretation of a Carlsbad ordinance on the way to supporting his point. He stated that the ordinance, Carlsbad Municipal Code 10.58.050(b), bars skateboarders from city streets. It does not bar skateboarders from city streets. That ordinance only prohibits skateboarders from interfering with traffic. Determining an offense would be up to an official witnessing such interference. Merely riding a skateboard upon the street is not prohibited.

Ed Davidson

Oceanside

Sacramento's solution always is to raise taxes
The Feb. 24 article "The 'eroding' gas tax" is smoke and mirrors again. Gary Gallegos says that the 18-cent state tax on gasoline should be boosted (great choice of words) by at least 10 cents.

Several years ago, Californians approved Proposition 42, which dedicated sales taxes on gasoline for roads. But state lawmakers raided these funds by taking $3 billion and putting this money into the general fund to shore up chronic budget deficits.

Sacramento again has budget woes of its own making, and again the solution from everyone on every level of government is to raise taxes. When will they ever start to cut spending and get their house in order?

Barbara Cobb

Cardiff-by-the-Sea

School cuts are no joke
Usually, I agree with the "Observer," but today he was totally out of line ("At budget time, the games begin," March 3). For those of us in the Carlsbad school district who will receive layoff notices, including all the administrators, this is not a joke. The Oceanside school district has already laid off teachers and is cutting services. These announcements are a true reflection of the crisis and not a political ploy.

I think the "Observer" should check his facts before making it seem like a game. The people losing their jobs and the students losing music, art and services aren't laughing. Hopefully, the community isn't either.

Keith Glazer

Carlsbad

Quote wrongly attributed
Regarding the Feb. 29 "Doonesbury" cartoon: The quote in question was made by President Abraham Lincoln in the mid-1860s and was made in his famous, brilliant, inspirational Gettysburg Address. I have yet to hear any of the journalism pundits attribute it accurately.

Ann Agran

Carlsbad

It is ludicrous to continue building
How can the various government agencies that control building permits continue to do so in light of the serious water shortage?

Existing water users are already facing rationing, and they continue to approve building more homes, condos and apartments. Ludicrous!

William KusteR

Escondido

The press loves McCain
There have been comments about Obama's popularity with the media, but McCain is by far their favorite. The latest example is the recent blowup over Louis Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama. Obama made it clear that it was unsolicited, and he rejected and denounced Farrakhan's movement of hate and exclusion.

The same day, McCain received an endorsement from Pastor John Hagee, saying, "All I can tell you is I'm very proud to have pastor Hagee's support." Hagee has said the following, in an NPR interview with Terry Gross: "I believe that Hurricane Katrina was, in fact, the judgment of God against the city of New Orleans." In his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," Hagee wrote: "Most readers will be shocked by the clear record of history linking Adolf Hitler and the Roman Catholic Church in a conspiracy to exterminate the Jews."

My question is this: Will the media put the full-court press on McCain, the way they have with Obama, when it comes to these questionable endorsements? Even more important: Will McCain ... reject this endorsement? I expect he'd rather continue to court the extreme right, which is about the only constituency that still believes in the Bush-McCain vision for America.

Rachel Rott

Vista

Volunteering enriches your life
Our retirement began in Oceanside in 1994 when we moved from Oregon to Oceanside. We both enjoyed walking the neighborhood, getting to know our neighbors. Alice complained about the litter everywhere. I would get up earlier and clean up the eyesore. From doing that, I then volunteered at the main library -- inputting local news into their computer. Then the Museum of Art, welcoming visitors, answering the phone and helping with sales.

The challenging position was with the Oceanside Police department as a Senior Patrol Volunteer -- checking up on the housebound, vacation checks and making sure disabled parking spots were used properly. This is just a sample of the many volunteer opportunities available. I average about eight months on most positions, then I look for something different.

I'm now a safety teammate aboard the USS Midway air carrier museum. I feel very patriotic in serving. Doing volunteering is very gratifying and enriches your life -- try it, you'll like it.

William Hart

Carlsbad

Nation's poor are depending on us
If anyone saw and was moved by the "60 Minutes" program about the Remote Area Medical Foundation that brings free medical support and services to tens of thousand of Americans who cannot afford insurance, you may make contributions using Paypal at http://www.ramusa.org/ or mail contributions to: Remote Area Medical Foundation 1834 Beech St., Knoxville, TN 37920 (865) 579-1530.

Remote Area Foundation is an all-volunteer medical service that runs on a shoestring budget that, prior to focusing on America's 50 million poor and uninsured, provided Third World countries the support, but is now helping our nation's middle-America poor.

If you consider yourself a Christian, a lapel flag-wearing patriot, then turn those ideas to help your nation's suffering poor. They are depending on you; nobody else cares.

Ed Towers

Oceanside

State budget hurting our children
The future of California, America and the world demands that our children receive an education that is of the highest standards. Technological strides are at a high level, and we live in a world that is advancing at a tremendous pace. It is not the fault of the children that taxes and budgets do not provide adequate lifestyles that we are used to enjoying.

Children are not to blame for the rise in energy use and costs. Why, then, must they shoulder the responsibility that their parents and politicians have placed on them with a reduced education budget? Gov. Schwarzenegger's new budget of educational denial is an affront to the children of this state. For a man who has an office that is based on a recall, it takes a lot of audacity to give our -- your -- children a marginal education by removing funds for their schooling. They deserve the funds restored and more, so they can compete on a national and international level in the future.

The governor needs to take another look at the budget and put the funds back so that our children can receive an adequate education.

Add to that budget more than enough funds so that our children can become the champions and leaders that the great state of California and our nation deserve.

Timothy Taylor

Oceanside

Mesmerizing isn't always a good thing
I understand that there is a run on Kool-Aid on stores all over America. The Barackomaniacs are on the loose and gearing up to meet their messiah. Sound familiar? Remember Adolph Hitler? And how about Jim Jones and others of that stripe? They, too, mesmerized their flock, all to very tragic ends. Furthermore, the same members of that flock are also anti-Americans, to quote a blogger on this paper's Web site on a Feb. 18 article, "Let's drink to the fall of America."

May they all find a country in which they could support and quit taking advantage of being in America and hating it at the same time. That is dishonest. I am sure there is a plane leaving every hour of every day. And by the way, they can take their messiah with them.

Dora Philp

Temecula

Money flows to board members at water district
Should EVMWD directors get a full stipend to attend less than half a meeting? They do, according to Administrative Code 509: "No payments shall be made under these regulations for attendance or services exceeding a total of ten days in any calendar month or for attendance at meetings or hearings for which a director is not present for at least 50 percent of the meeting."

How is it possible for someone to determine how long a meeting will last to know if they have attended for 50 percent of the meeting? At certain meetings, I've seen board members leaving after 30 minutes, with the meeting lasting two hours beyond their departure time.

Here are just a few types of meetings they can attend (keep in mind with Code 509 they are only required to stay for 50 percent of the meeting to collect $200.85): Canyon Lake and Lake Elsinore city councils; Wildomar, Lake Elsinore and Canyon Lake Chambers of Commerce; Horsethief HOA and Canyon Lake POA; Lakeland Village Association; Temescal MAC, etc. These community meetings are divvied up between board members to attend and report back on key issues to the board.

There are a total of 33 eligible meetings per month, and it's at the board's discretion how many and which meetings each member is assigned. Certain members are assigned as many as 10 meetings per month: $2,008.50. Imagine how many key issues aren't reported, given the 50 percent rule. Interesting how they spend our ratepayer money.

Chris Hyland

Lake Elsinore

Does mining company think we're stupid?
A recent mailing from Granite Construction suggests that the residents of Temecula will be burdened by heavy costs of police and other services if the city is permitted to annex the land south of the city and west of Interstate 15 up to the San Diego County line. We are talking about primarily vacant land with maybe a house or two, and 4,100 acres of the San Diego Ecological Reserve. That the city would have to hire a number of new police officers to patrol this area, which is virtually without roads, is absolutely ridiculous! How stupid does Granite think we are?

What the city of Temecula is attempting to do is keep a pristine area as open space and have a say in what others propose to put on this open space. This area is the entrance to Temecula from the south and our city has the right to a sphere of influence here. Of course, Granite wants to put Liberty Quarry in this beautiful area, pollute our air, ruin our roads, blast and crush rock, produce smelly asphalt, create a hub of 1,400 diesel-emitting trucks next to our city, and possibly pollute the last free-flowing river of its type in Southern California. Shouldn't our city have some say here?

Granite wants everyone to write to LAFCO ---- the body that decides on annexations ---- and ask them to vote no. What everyone needs to do is write LAFCO and beg them to vote yes on annexation.

Kathleen Hamilton

Temecula

Demonstration to council telling
Kudos to Christine Welsh, who presented on Feb. 26 to the Temecula City Council a wonderful demonstration of Temecula's future. She displayed a large jar of clear water ---- representing Temecula. She then proceeded to pour some dirty water from a tiny bottle into the clear water ---- asking the council if this water was still fit to drink. The point: Will this be the coming future of Temecula? A small start, but will it be an open invitation for our northern cities to send their problems to Temecula, making it necessary to increase our police force?

It was disappointing that no one in the council showed any concern or appreciation of the matter presented. I would have stood up and applauded! We are 20-plus-year residents from Chicago. We've seen it all!

Julius V. Schmitt

Temecula

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Escondido OKs huge electronic screen for new Lexus dealer

Readers respond to our March 7 story about the Escondido City Council approving design details for a gigantic, illuminated screen that will begin splashing colorful images of art and landscapes onto Interstate 15 later this year when a new Lexus dealership opens on Ninth Avenue.

Big hoops

Escondodo: If you are going to put earrings on a pig, why not make them big bangles? The joint will still be filled with used car salesmen. I've been watching this scenario play out with particular interest. Visual blight is in the eye of the beholder. I prefer watching the mesmerizing sunsets that this area is so well known for. But that's just me.

Hungry for hamburgers

Marie-Anne: Remember when In & Out wanted a sign for their delicious burgers? City of Escondido turned them down. Now I have to drive to Vista/Oceanside for a tasty burger. Stupid city!

Bucks over burgers

What a joke: The City of Escondido never ceases to amaze me with their bad business decisions. My first thought upon reading this was the same as Marie-Anne's -- they turned down In & Out, but a Lexus dealer can put up a bigger sign. Hmm, how many people eat at In&Out, and how many people buy Lexus'? Isn't that a bit of a no-brainer?

Just wait

Chubton: If you thought the parked cars in the yard were tacky, wait until you get a load of this big sign we're putting up.

Power trump card upheld

Readers respond to our March 7 story about the federal government saying Thursday that designated energy corridors on the west and east coasts will remain in place. The decision means SDG&E can play that ace in the hole in the event the California Public Utilities Commission refuses next summer to approve its $1.3 billion, 500-kilovolt Sunrise Powerlink transmission line.

See the sun

Burt: We don't need to spend $1B to transport sun energy from the desert to San Diego. The sun is already here! San Diego has sun like other places have oil. Let's have SDG&E spend that $1B creating a rooftop solar infrastructure and economic incentives, like actually buying back the surplus electricity from "consumers."

Wait for November

JohnBoy: We will see what happens after a regime change in Washington.

Why bother?

Scotty: Why hold all of these costly meetings? Why bother with public input at all? What a charade!

Power up

Jonas: The only conservation that has ever worked is when the price goes through the roof -- who want to see that again? Build the line -- we need the infrastructure and certainty of power.

Too little

MAX: You have it right, Jonas. The transmission line is needed and must be built before it's too late. The alternatives of solar panels, windmills and little generators along the coast are inadequate and faulty.

Better ideas?

Toad: Lead, follow or get out of the way! If you don't like the current corridor plan, sell us on a viable alternative. If you can't do that, let those who can lead do so, and get out of the way!

Local gas prices reach record high

Readers respond to our March 7 story about the average gallon of gasoline in North County now costing almost $3.50, up about 7 cents from one week ago, according to a survey conducted for the North County Times. A record price in early March raises the possibility that gas could top $4 per gallon by summertime, when fuel is historically most expensive.

Not!

Gee it makes: ... sense for all of us to leave our cars at home and take the breeze and sprinter everywhere! Not!

Ouch

Lucki: Whatever the reason, this is hard on my pocketbook. It is out of control.

One question

Patriot: Q: What do you get when a bunch of oil and defense executives run the country? A: High gas prices and endless wars. It's so simple even the Conservative types could get it.

Handy info

Heather: Well, if people want to save a few bucks I suggest they check NC Times' gas gauge on the main page. It's great for finding the cheapest gas (I know, oxymoron) in your area. I know it's not much, but it's something.

Simple economics

Ariadne: It's our dollar devaluing. I'm sorry some people still can't understand the basic relationship between inflation and prices. It has nothing to do with conservatives or liberals, it's economics. Now if we could only get our government to quit printing money.

Readers had this to say about a Friday article on the Temecula Valley Unified School District's talk of laying giving layoff notices to 300 teachers and possibly laying off 111 in the end:

No problem

Coastal Eddy: There's really no reason to issue the layoff notices, or make any budget cuts. Senate leader Don Perata said earlier this week that the Democrats would not support any budget that provided for less money for schools ... That's good enough for me.

We did it

TickTock: There is plenty of tax money available in California. However, the state has a spending problem. And this is the result! We keep on voting for these wasteful spenders, so we get what we vote for. ...

Reality

Excuse me?: Perata's out, he's a lame duck (thank goodness!) Prop. 98 does not work when the state's in an economic downturn. Prop. 98 builds the required funding levels to education. It was passed ... with good intentions but it's a bad law. Bad for state government because it places the budget on autopilot. ... student enrollment is down in California! Less students = less ADA money. When enrollment goes down, education should get less money.

Bumping ahead

Concerned: Many people think that they are safe with these projections but these higher ups are going to be sent back to the classroom "bumping" a teacher that thinks that they have job security.

Freaky math

Numbers: How does 111 translate into 300 people who will run scared and leave the profession since they cannot wait until May to know whether or not they have a job? Our children will suffer.

Where to?

Concerned: Are teachers going to be on welfare now if they get laid off? It seems every district is cutting so where is a teacher going to go to find a job now? Are we just making a highly qualified homeless population? ...

Vouchers!

ModernRock: This is yet another reason to Take Government Out of Education. What is our result with the government running our education system? Poor test scores, high dropout rate, kids incapable of filling out employment applications. Why can't the private sector assume this responsibility? Let's cheer anything, including vouchers, that takes us in this direction.

Wrong answer

Vouchers???: So we can take more money away from public schools? How many public school kids can fit in private schools that have the privilege of denying "undesirable" students. You'd have the cream of the crop in private schools while the public sector is left with delinquents and no money ...

Shameful

Poor Planning: I have to wonder what is going to happen to our children. I have three left in the school district. ... Crowded classes, overworked teachers. The teachers we have had have all been wonderful -- guess that'll change. Shame on Sacramento. Guess all their kids are out of school.

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Reardon wrote on Mar 7, 2008 9:41 PM:We are number 1 in teacher salary (see NEA website); number 27 in total expenses for education (see http://ftp2.census.gov/govs/school/05f33pub.pdf); and number 48 in academic testing (see http://nces.ed.gov/nationsreportcard/). We are obviously not getting our money's worth!

ORACEL = wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:00 AM:= More than one of every 20 home mortgages was delinquent during the last three months of 2007, the highest level in 23 years, according to a report Thursday by the Mortgage Bankers Association. The group's National Delinquency Survey also found that the rate of foreclosures and the percent of loans in the process of foreclosure reached record levels during the period.
More than 5.3 percent of the nearly 6 million outstanding home loans in California were delinquent in the fourth quarter, and more than 7.4 percent of Florida's 3.5 million loans were past due. San Diego County is beginning to take a big hit, also.
There is no easy solution, because borrowers don’t know who to deal with. The banks and home loan corporations no longer hold their mortgages. Millions of mortgages were consolidate in a lump, rolled out, folded a dozen times, mixed with who know what kind of sordid entrails, then sliced and diced and sold off to investors all around the world. Nobody knows who owns what anymore. Now ain’t that a pretty picture!
Homeowners can’t refinance either, because banks don’t have much money. It’s gone! Where did all that liquidity go all of a sudden? How can trillions of dollars just disappear?
Well, it can easily when you siphon it off into highly leveraged investment vehicles and derivatives. Banks are so desperate to replenish their cash, they are unwilling to let go of what they do have even to highly creditworthy customers. As the NC Times reported yesterday (Sec. D-3) QUOTE: Even with the Federal Reserve cutting key interest rates five times in recent months, banks have been retrenched on lending. END QUOTE.
So all the interest rate reductions are not trickling down to homeowners and borrowers. Further complicating the situation, mortgage insurance companies are going bankrupt. All this is making the stock markets very very nervous. Investors right now have little appetite for mortgage bonds since the collateral that backs the loans - the homes themselves - are falling in value.
It’s not confined to homes, either. Municipal bonds are blowing up. Suggest you read Friday’s Business section carefully, especially the article Credit Woes are Spreading Quickly.
This is a self-sustaining storm of the century brewing. Termination of hundreds of teacher in SD County is only the beginning of cutbacks as tax revenues dry up. The tragic part is our White House doesn’t have the foggiest about what is going on. Too complicated for them to understand. And they want to pass all this off on old man McCain?

OBAMA MAMA - wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:14 AM:- - Just check the final figures on the Texas primary. The part-2 caucus votes were tedious to count, but now we have the final tally: Obama won 92 delegates, and Clinton won 92 delegates. But do you hear Hillary un-crowing? Nope! She just tricked the press and the public into thinking she won Texas real big. It was a tie.

Expat Doug wrote on Mar 8, 2008 2:51 AM:Sometimes I can't believe the ignorant statements made here. Claire O'Brien's believe, "If you're not here legally, you don't have any rights here," is far from Constitutionally correct. Ms. O'brien needs a refresher in basic civics.

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 3:30 AM:I suppose, OBAMA MAMA, having been outspent 2-1 in Texas, with the late polls showing Obama surging and moving ahead, and with the media all but declaring her campaign dead, even a tie in the delegate count might call for a little crowing. Since politics is usually perception over reality, Clinton did what she needed to do: not get routed. Not only did she not get routed, she actually won the primary 51-47% while at the same time winning big by 10 points in Ohio. That makes headlines, and it is something to crow about for a campaign perceived to falling apart. Show a little humility. If you think Hillary is just going to roll over and hand the nomination to your guy, think again. You’re in for a long, hot summer. This ain’t beanbag!

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 4:13 AM:Wow. Dora Philp compares Barack Obama to Adolph Hitler, and not in a good way. She also calls his supporters (and Democrats in general I’d imagine) anti-American. She no doubt also believes anybody who doesn’t vote Republican is anti-American. That would have been the majority in the last election of ’06. Who knew? It’s okay though. When you’re seeing your entire neo-conservative, right-wing worldview and philosophy being dumped into the ashbin of history a little lashing out and tantrum throwing is to be expected. It’s not the Kool-Aid most Americans are drinking, Dora, it’s the antidote.

Alan wrote on Mar 8, 2008 4:52 AM:Nice job Claire O'brien. The Illegals have stolen, cheated, lied and defrauded our citizens and our government. It is time for Action from our Leaders of State and Federal Institutions. Immigrants should be coming from all countries, legally. Those who self-qualify and self-immigrate are "self""ish and criminal. We must fix the 14th Amendment regarding birth Citizenship to those not here legally; We must punish Employers who ignore hiring laws. Create a "guest" worker program that will encourage and provide labor resources from everywhere in the world, not just from our adjacent countries. We don't OWE them anything!

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 6:07 AM:Frank Thurlow writes, “If we started a serious program to develop our own oil reserves, the price of gas would drop overnight.” The United States, at 10%, is the third largest producer of oil in the world, just behind Saudi Arabia and Russia. The United States is by far the largest consumer of oil in the world at 25%. The United States is 11th in the world in proven reserves at 1.6%. We could drill and drill and never even come close to meeting our own demand for oil. We would have to increase production by 250%! Conservatives like to rely on market forces. Increasing our own supply would be a drop in the bucket in relation to our current usage. Decreasing our demand is the only answer. We’ve been relying on oil and coal and using the same technologies since the 19th century, it’s now the 21st century and it’s past time to move on.

Let me just say Wow!!!! wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:20 AM: I think Claire O'Brien has been drinking to much Kool-aid being served up by Lou Doobs, Rick Roberts, and other so called illegal immigrants haters. This agenda has lead to hatred and ill treatment of ALL Latinos, American citizens, Naturalized, or PRA Latino are all targets of hate due to the mindset that Claire expresses in her letter. I think Claire should educate herself on the real statistics without being so blinded by the opinions, and exaggerations of some extremist. I do clean my own toilets by I will tell you one thing for sure I am not about to pick any fruit or do the work farmworkers do nor would she. Madame O'Brien you should dig deep into your own family tree and find out what American's were saying when your ancestors or those of your husband migrated to this country from Ireland. I'll be it is the same rhetoric different century. Now you have become one of them. Just a little morsel of food for thought. My children received a fine education. My son just graduated from Santa Clara Univerity and my daughter is about ready to graduate from Pepperdine. No one can hold a successful person back. My children have made wonderful friends and learned a second language from them Spanish. I think Madame O'Brien needs to clean out her mind and then start on her toilets.

To Nancy Paige wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:27 AM:Oh Nancy, Nancy, Nancy I guess you don't understand what is happening in our Nation these days, do you? All Latinos even the ones born here and those who immigrated here legally are being subjected to verbal and physical attacks. Tania Bowman understand the Law and the Constitution and clearly you do not. Racism is running rampant in our communities and denial is the best medicine for those such as yourself who want to deny it. I thank Tania Bowman for her letter and I hope you will open your eyes and see things clearer before you write a letter to insult an American citizen who happens to disagree with your opinion. Thank goodness for the 1st Amendment.

Kool-Aid??? wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:36 AM:Hey Dora I would rather drink the Kool-aid of hope than the Kool-aid of hate. I do not consider Barak Obama the Messiah, He already came and left. I am as you put a Barakomaniac(I think I will order some T-shirts). I think you have been drinking to much of the Kool-Aid tainted with the poison of hate. I love America and I think Barak Obama is the best thing that could happen to America. So I will not be taking a plane anywhere because this is MY America but you can feel free to leave anytime you wish. Now carefully put down the cup and stop the hate.

To Dora Philp wrote on Mar 8, 2008 7:44 AM:How dare you attempt to compare Barak Obama to Jim Jones or to Adolf Hitler!! It seems that you have had one two many sips of Kool-Aid yourself it takes all kinds I guess. Please next time you write a letter read it over before you submit it because your letter sounds a little fanatical. Ah yes Kool-aid poor me another cup. Oh by the way I do not think of Barak Obama as the Messiah or the Savior of the World I consider him a good man who will serve the United States well.

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:00 AM:You know, Frank Thurlow is right. This new "Bipartisan" energy bill, stinks.
Here's what it will do according to the White House fact sheet:
1} They have replaced the old alternative fuel mix standard from 7.5 billion gallons, and setting a new mandatory Renewable Fuel Standard of 36 billion gallons of biofuel by 2022. This will be ethanol, and we know it takes more energy to produce ethanol than it takes to produce gasoline, plus the greenhouse gas offsets are a wash. Not to mention, the huge subsidies to ADM and other Big Ag corps. We're simply traded corporate welfare, this is paid for by repealing tax breaks for oil companies. So, attention all you lefties! Can't blame Exxon-Mobil anymore! They are OFF corporate welfare. Just so ya know. Anyone notice the cost of food going up recently? Most foods are corn based.
2} Raising the national fuel economy standard of 35 miles per gallon by 2020, to supposedly save billions of gallons of fuel. So, the Federal Government once again steps in, tells business what kind of cars they will build, when they are already falling behind other car manufacturers, and really put the kibash on them. Americans will drive smaller cars, less safe, and more killed on highways.
3} Prescribe or revise standards affecting regional efficiency for heating and cooling products, procedures for new or amended standards, energy conservation, energy efficiency for consumer electronic products, residential boiler efficiency, electric motor efficiency, and home appliances.
So now, they are going to tell us what kind of mercury lightbulbs we can use,
how much power our heaters, hot water heaters, computers, dishwashers, and every other single item inside our homes will use. Heck, might as well adjust my thermostat in my bedroom at this rate.
4} Establish an Office of High-Performance Green Buildings (OHPGB). Well, I guess they couldn't help this, we're going to get ANOTHER government office to fund with tax dollars.
5} and.. oh yeah, they promised "green" jobs thru subsidies to alternatives.
More hoop jumping for tax breaks. One thing you should know, they did want to raise the federal gasoline tax, again!
Yeah, that'll show those evil Big Oil corporations!
You know, the name of this bill is puzzling to me. They call it the: Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007. I did not see a single portion of that bill that added anything to my personal liberty or freedom did you? All I saw was this overly large, and bloated hand of this massive Central Government reaching their fat hand into my life. Telling me what kind of car I shall drive, which dishwasher to use, banning lightbulbs, and exchanging welfare schemes. How does that help me?
My food's gone up cause of ethanol, my gas will go up, and has gone up. Anyone know if one of these clowns in the Democrat party has ever run a gas station? Cause it anit showing...

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:21 AM:Since Jennifer Norval admits: "I'm not very well-informed on all that is happening...", let me try to educate her. So, pay attention!
Here's what the deal is in Sacramento:
The Unions have taken a death grip control over the State Government. And they are doing to Sacramento, exactly what was done to every single company in the United States. They strangle it, and eventually it dies a long and slow death, financially.
We see at every level of Government, Local, State, and Federal, where these special interest groups have gotten to these careerist politicians, gotten them elected, and promise to support them, if they play ball with them, the Unions. If they don't, their out! Simple as that. Now, given the fact that these Union thugs have helped to elect these politicians, and the politicians know this, that their very political lives hang in the balance, depending upon how they vote. How objective do you think these particular politicans can be at contract negociation time? How well would they be able to stand up for you, the taxpayer, and prevent a raid on the government treasury? I'm telling you, they don't. So, your obviously looking in the wrong place for your art money, or your music money, or your whatever money, CAUSE IT'S IN THE UNIONS POCKET, THAT'S WHERE IT IS!
And you want to know something else? Now, pay attention, I'm educating you here....
These phoney, spineless, two-timing, double-talking, lying, low-life politicians are actually talking about... {now pay attention}... They are actually talking about getting rid of your mortgage interest deduction in order to pay for the budget gap. Do you know what that means? They don't give a flying flip about you in the middle-class. All they care about is giving the tribute over to these Union thugs, to keep their jobs. Oh yeah, I know... they talk about "the Children".. the children this, or the children that...
But let me ask you something? If the Kid's parent's can no longer afford their home, what does that do for "the Children?"

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:33 AM:I understand Claire O'Brien's emotion, I really do. But her focus, I think is in the wrong place. Surely, those who have crossed the border illegally have engaged in criminal activity, no doubt about that. As I post yesterday, using a stolen, fake, or fradulent American ID for the purposes of working here, is punishable by up to 15 years in prison. Some carry a 30 year sentence, if your a producer of such documents.
But, leaving all that aside, for the moment. If your a business owner, the burden has fallen on you to check out those you employ. If you have the personal integrity to obey the law, and not want to pocket off the back's of those who have waited to come, or Americans who could rightly fill those positions, just to put more money in your pocket.
Don't get sucked into the vortex of this stupid argument that this is about race. It's not. It's about whether we are a Nation of Laws, and whether WE, as a People, will live by those laws, even when we have this despicable Central Government who obviously values staying in Washington D.C. more, than they do obeying the Constitution.

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:46 AM:>>Here's what it will do according to the White House fact sheet:>> Then it must be true, seeing how reliable they've been in the past on everything else. Jeez.

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:57 AM:I see the Teachers are out in force today. Maybe the memo went out from the CTA? Timothy Taylor say's it's not "the Children's" fault. I agree, they are trapped in a failing public school system, and taxpayers, most of which are parent's of these kids, are having to pay these increasing costs to prop up this employment agency. Cause, it anit an education system, it has become an educart employment system. I, personally, have watched Teachers Unions get their piece of the money pie, at the expense of programs, books, and other needed items by students.
These people wouldn't even consider the idea of a pay freeze, in order to pay for mandatory asbestos removal. They pressed, and threatened the school board members, they had helped to get elected, to cut those funds, but save their pay raises. How's that for caring about "the Children?" You know, there used to be a time, when I gave regular line teachers a break. I used to say, it was their leadership. Cause most of these teachers I've known, were hard working cared about their kids, and actually did a pretty good job.
But... no more.
When your a teacher, and you elect a leader who does the kind of things to children, and to our schools, as I've seen, they must be held responsible for their choices, in leadership.
No longer will I give them the pass I used to. They will be held responsible for what their leadership foists upon kids. I can't see it any other way.
Perahps if you chose a more moderate leader, someone who knows that the pile of money is only so big, and everyone needs to get a piece of it. The leadership I've seen, wants it all, regardless of who it hurts, who will suffer. I used to think schools were about educating our youth, but not anymore. It's become apparent, that these Unions have done, and will continue to do, what is good for themselves alone. And they will do it, even if the child suffers. That's hardly "a teacher", in my mind. And quite frankly, I'm tired of it.

I agree with Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:58 AM:And Arnie, you're a wimp! We all had such high hopes for you (when we dumped Davis) but you've cowed down to the special interest groups, listened to them whispering in your ear and have therefore been NO HELP.
To Kathleen Hamilton: ... Anyone with half a brain, who's been following what goes on in Temecula must think we're ALL stupid! Why, because the majority of people here (& this is NOT just a Temecula problem, these SHEEP are EVERYWHERE) don't have a CLUE regarding what's really going on. Either that, or they CHOOSE to ignore it. Here's just one example for you: do you really think anyone here's EVER checked their real estate tax bills? I'm talking about those speciial taxes (think General Obligation Bonds) that you'd think would have gone DOWN due to tremendous growth we've experienced in Temecula, THINK AGAIN! Now, how about those lovely MELLO ROOS taxes? Did you know that there are legal limits on those??? Did you also know that when DIFFERENT government agencies are ALLOWED to issue CFDs (translation for you, MELLO ROOS), the possibility of those affected being TAXED at a rate ABOVE the legal LIMIT increases?
I don't pay mello roos taxes (thank goodness) but I know lots of sheep, errr, folks who do. I also know they have NO CLUE what those taxes are for.

Great Idea Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 8:59 AM:What? Are you really concerned about "obeying the constitution."? Why don't you study the 14th Amendment carefully and realize that ANY PERSON is afforded equal protection, and the right to life, liberty and property. So lets uphold and obey the Constitution in its entirety.

Still waiting for Ron x2 wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:01 AM:Yesterday, Ron defended discrimination because a majority of the people voted for it. And Ron says he reads! Try the Constitution. Or try history: the majority of voters felt that discrimination against blacks, against women, etc etc was fine as well. That was not the question: in a nation that bans discrimination, how do you justify discrimination against consenting adults who harm no one? And, number 2, we are still, forever, waiting for you to back up your claims that the IPCC edits, reinterprets, and otherwise misuses science. Be specific: what research have they denied, or reinterpreted? What bona fide research findings have they ignored for the sake of their ideology? Ron, you make strong statements of what you claim to know, and you brag about how much you read. So? Share, if you can.

OBSERVATON wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:11 AM:OBSERVATION: President Bush said Saturday that he has vetoed legislation meant to ban the CIA from using waterboarding and other harsh interrogation tactics because it "would take away one of the most valuable tools on the war on terror."

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:12 AM:Every firefighter who risks his life to save your house and every police officer that puts his life on the line every day to protect you ... is a union member. Are these some of the thugs to which you refer, Ron? Next time you call 911 make sure you ask for the non-union first responders.

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:18 AM:Nancy Paige reminds me, "Silence of good people permits crime..."
Remember awhile back, when in Escondido they were having a problem with shopping carts? Well, obviously, what was happening, people without cars were taking supermarket shopping carts off the property, to push their groceries home. Then, they'd leave the cart on a street corner, or in the middle of the sidewalk, or in an alley. You know... it then became someone else's problem, when they were "done with it."
Well, some cop in Escondido got into trouble for "profiling" when he apparently stopped someone pushing a cart down the sidewalk. The "pusher" just happened to be Hispanic. It caused an uproar, and all the kook's began saying the cops were racist, when in fact, they were trying to prevent crime.
Afterall, how many people do you know that personally own a shopping cart?
Anyways, The City Council attempted to get around this, and talked about fining the supermarkets, and having them erect some kind of barrier system to prevent their carts from being taken off their property. What a bunch of cowards!
In the end, what you have is a small group of people taking stuff that anit their's to take. Most normal people I know, call that theft. But, it just goes to show you just how ridiculous this situation has become. You can't stop someone who is obviously pushing a cart that anit theirs, cause it'll land you in racist land. What a bunch of baloney.

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:37 AM:Yeah, Rachel Rott.. The press does love McCain, when it fit their particular agenda. Let me see here...
First you have the Country's paper of record, The New York Times endorse him. Only to later float some National Equirer type story about some "love affair" they couldn't document.
They asked tons of questions about Mitt Rommney and Mormomism.
But, here's what you will see, when we finally get a Democrat nominee.
Your going to see the Bush-McCain-Hagee vision for America. While totally dismissing the Obama-Farrakhan-Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. vision for America. It will make little, or no difference to most newspapers that Obama's Pastor: Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. gave Louis Farrakhan the "Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright,Jr. Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer" Award at the 2007 Trumpet Gala at the the United Church of Christ. And Obama, to this day, still refers to Dr. Wright as his spiritual mentor and still claims he is his sounding board.
No, you'll not hear any of this. And you'll not hear about black nationalist signs hanging in this church, or lists of admonishments to black solidarity, or the "Black Value System", or
of a moral code calling for the "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness."
You'll not hear any of that. Oh no...
It's funny, in a country whereby the Constitution declares that "No Religious Test" shall be required for public office, we sure do have some that think it's important for some on the right, but not for others on the left? So far, I've not heard Obama say, like John Kerry, that his personal religious beliefs will affect his term of office. Have you?

DD Wiz wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:37 AM: The published letter from Frank Thurlow does raise some valid objections to the energy bill, echoedby the post from "Ron" (8:00am). It does not go nearly far enoughin weaning us off dependence on pushers of our addiction to non-renewable FINITE FILTHY FOSSIL FUELS purchased from dependence on terrorists and dictators.
It is true, that the wimpy increase in fuel standards will be offset by population increases, and it phases out the federal portion of the incentives to go solar.
That said, with no standards at all, it would be even worse.
Often in politics, it is better to get what you can than nothing at all. A "yes" vote on an imperfect bill would still be better than a "no" vote, but it also means we still have a long way to go in passing further legislation to address the issue and create real momentum for energy independence based on clean, renewable energy sources.

DD Wiz wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:38 AM: The published letter from Dora Philp and the posts from "OBAMA MAMA" (1:14am), "White Rabbit" (4:13am), "Let me just say Wow!!!!" (7:20am), "Kool-Aid???" (7:36am) and "To Dora Philp" (7:44am) are very troubling.
It reminds me of 1968 and 2000 when Democrats were well-positioned to win elections by blowouts, but managed to self-destruct and turn it over to the Republicans in squeakers (OK, in 2000 the Democrat actually won, but it should have been a cheat-proof landslide margin).
Both Hillary and Obama are excellent candidates and bring very different strenghts to the table. I have vigorously defended both against scurrillous charges by character assassins from the Republicans and, sadly, by over eager Democrats caught up in the heat of competition.
It is OK if you are a supporter of Hillary or Obama, but please focus on the strengths of your candidate. As a remaining undecided, each time I hear a Hillary slam against Obama it pushes me to rush to defend him, putting me on his side, and likewise when I hear attacks against Hillary it pushes me defensively into her corner. Many Democrats are like me who are thrilled to have TWO such excellent candidates and, for us, the negative stuff is counterproductive.

Nick wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:42 AM:You want to REALLY know why Bush & Co are doing NOTHING about Illegal Immigration ? Just Google "A North American Community Approach to Security" and give it a read. It is the testimony of Dr. Robert A. Pastor, vice president of international affairs, professor, and director of the Center for North American Studies, American University before a hearing of the Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The last 2 paragraphs should shock everyone, Repub's & Dem's alike.

Chuck wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:43 AM:I see Goreleone's Kool-Aid drinkers are now starving the planet. So much corn has been planted for alternative energy that its caused record prices in rice, wheat, oats, beans, etc making it unaffordable. So, Gore stuff his personal pockets with his global warming BS, as poorer nations starve. I hope the liberals are happy-- out of control commodity prices, out of control oil prices, thousands losing their jobs daily, & our country's wealth being sent overseas for oil, just because liberals block every effort to drill here

Nick wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:46 AM:I can't just leave it be, here are the last 2 paragraphs for all to read.
Defining a North American Community:
North Americans are ready for a new relationship. Studies over the past 20 years have shown a convergence of values, on personal and family issues as well as on public policy. An October 2003 poll taken in all three countries by Ekos, a Canadian firm, found that a clear majority believes that a North American economic union will be established in the next ten years. The same survey found an overwhelming majority in favor of more integrated North American policies on the environment, transportation, and defense and a more modest majority in favor of common energy and banking policies. And 75 percent of people in the United States and Canada, and two-thirds of Mexicans, support the development of a North American security perimeter. The U.S., Mexican, and Canadian governments remain zealous defenders of an outdated conception of sovereignty even though their citizens are ready for a new approach. Each nation’s leadership has stressed differences rather than common interests. North America needs leaders who can articulate and pursue a broader vision.
I hope this Committee will pursue the North American agenda beyond the travel initiative considered here. On June 23rd, the three leaders promised to publish a report with specific recommendations on how to deepen North American integration. These should be reviewed together with Senator Richard Lugar’s far-sighted bill for a “North American Cooperative Security Act” and Senator Cornyn’s “North American Investment Fund.” The time has come for us to define a true North American Community. Our security and prosperity depend on it.
Yep, sure sounds like "black helicoptors" and "crackpot theories" as "The Whizzer" likes to call it.
Cheers, Nick.

HomeStudySchoolsAreClosed wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:48 AM:I see the usual special interests have convinced the courts to end home schooling. We all knew those nasty parents were spending too much time on English, math, sciences and literature andnot enough on diversity, Planned Parenthood assemblies, and the proper method to fit a condom to a cucumber. And then, when it was found out that not one single student being home schooled was familiar with their SB777 rights, the special interests went crazy and shut them down

Alan wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:50 AM:To Expat Doug....O'Brien is correct. Illegals do not have rights to vote, rights to drive, rights to unemployment, rights to work. They DO have rights to; be prosecuted for any crimes, be protected from harm, saved from injury, help returning to their home country. If they immigrate properly, they will EARN the right to American freedom, life, liberty and justice for all. There is a difference between human rights and legal rights. Get over it.

NEW WEB FORMAT VS. OLD WEB FORMAT wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:57 AM:Every time I look at a page in the old format, I can read every word on my laptop or desktop.

Every time I look at a page in the new format I am squinting or trying to raise the font size. I tried changing my laptop screen resolution, but the results were unsatisfactory. Both of my computers are high end Dell, and the new format is difficult to read.
It is not that I am against change, it is just if I cannot read the page, then why bother. Maybe I am just getting old and cranky.

And one more thing, am I the only one who has to enter the image verification two or three or four times before getting it right. r/ Skip

Gary in Murrieta (Mapleton) wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:05 AM:I noticed today that in my neighborhood there are very few "For Sale" signs, and yet a few blocks away there are literally dozens. Then I made the connection. The first couple of phases, sold out immediately and our houses literally doubled in value in just the first year. In the later phases and the final phase, it seems like one in four house are for sale and/or vacant. Boy, were we lucky. Or house has come down in value a little this year, but it is still worth almost twice what we paid for it. Now with talk of raising taxes in California to pay for the failing schools and Illegal Aliens, I just hope we can last a couple more years until I retire and we can flee this state. There just has to be somewhere else in this country where their state and local government has more fiscal responsibility.

hardtack wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:06 AM:Brief comments on three letters, today:

Frank Thurlow (Bipartisan energy bill a bad effort ) does a good job summarizing how politics created, and now sustains, our energy woes. I regret that he didn’t mention the nuclear option . . . perhaps due to word limitation.

Claire O'Brien (We'll clean our own toilets) brings to mind two things: (1) the scene in Schindler’s List where Schindler and his accountant are forging “documents” so Jews can work in his factory instead of being shipped to concentration camps; (2) An observation by the late Harry Browne: “Eventually the welfare state is afraid of every poor person who enters the country and every rich person who leaves.”

Ed Towers (Nation's poor are depending on us) has a novel idea: Judeo-Christian charity instead of socialism.

GFN wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:13 AM:Oracle, your posts for the last two days on the state of our economy are excellent...great knowledge and insight.

GFN wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:16 AM:Re: "Escondido OKs huge electronic screen for new Lexus dealer." I totally disagree with this type of advertising. The signs are annoying and not necessary. They significantly detract from the natural beauty of our area.

Druid wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:17 AM:FLOYD: Wikipedia states under MEXICO that it is part of North America. Encyyclopeida Britannica alos states. "officially United Mexican States, Spanish México, orEstados Unidos Mexicanos, also spelled Méjico, country of North America. Sharing a common border throughout its northern extent withthe United States,...

Nick wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:24 AM:I guess I have to EXPLAIN to the Great Blog Ed's that this TESTIMONY before a hearing of the Subcommittee on the Western Hemisphere, U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee is straight from the Government. That's the U.S. Senate part. Now post it please.
Defining a North American Community:
North Americans are ready for a new relationship. Studies over the past 20 years have shown a convergence of values, on personal and family issues as well as on public policy. An October 2003 poll taken in all three countries by Ekos, a Canadian firm, found that a clear majority believes that a North American economic union will be established in the next ten years. The same survey found an overwhelming majority in favor of more integrated North American policies on the environment, transportation, and defense and a more modest majority in favor of common energy and banking policies. And 75 percent of people in the United States and Canada, and two-thirds of Mexicans, support the development of a North American security perimeter. The U.S., Mexican, and Canadian governments remain zealous defenders of an outdated conception of sovereignty even though their citizens are ready for a new approach. Each nation’s leadership has stressed differences rather than common interests. North America needs leaders who can articulate and pursue a broader vision.
I hope this Committee will pursue the North American agenda beyond the travel initiative considered here. On June 23rd, the three leaders promised to publish a report with specific recommendations on how to deepen North American integration. These should be reviewed together with Senator Richard Lugar’s far-sighted bill for a “North American Cooperative Security Act” and Senator Cornyn’s “North American Investment Fund.” The time has come for us to define a true North American Community. Our security and prosperity depend on it.

U.S. Constitution rocks!!!! wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:31 AM:The Constitution as interpreted by Alan. I think you should take a high school civic class to relearn what you have obviously forgotten. Perhaps they do not have the right to vote or drive but they do have the right to equal protection under the law, and the right to live, liberty and property. Read the 14th Amendment an apply it correctly before you pretend to know what the Constitution says and means.

DD Wiz wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:35 AM: The post from "Nick" (9:46am) confirms yet again the points I have previously made in response to the initial claim by "Concerned-1" (3/5 - 8:35am) that plans for a North American Union included abolishing the U.S. Constitution.
THAT IS WHAT I WAS RESPONDING TO.
I did not deny that there were crackpot conspiracy theorists out there bandying about such paranoia; I merely asked him to confirm the extent to which it has any degree of seriousness, such as in any actual proposal before the U.S. House or Senate, which no one has been able to confirm.
Citing routine trade agreements doesn't cut it.
Citing proposals by unofficial groups doesn't cut it.
Citing Internet rumors and fear-mongering doesn't cut it.
If you expect me to have concern, show me that this is an actual proposal, and that it has the far-reaching grip that "Concerned-1" warned about.
I'm still waiting, "Nick." Still waiting. So far you have ZIPPO.

Nick wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:44 AM:Thank you Mr Ed.

Chris wrote on Mar 8, 2008 10:57 AM:Just in case you don't know it. The price of oil has gone up because of the shrinking dollar the speculators are flocking to commodoties and that includes oil. So with all this money going into oil futures the price is going up so don't blame the muslims for this. It is caused by these speculators. You got to love capitalism. It is a self destroying entity. I see the fed is going to pump 200 billion dollars into the ecomomy. Well Ron, what have you got to say concerning this great thing called capitalism?

Nick wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:17 AM:Plain & simple "Whizzer". Read the reports and add it up, even you with your lowly 3rd grade drop education should be able to figure it out. Remember all the things I said about being open minded and doing a little investigation. Instead you chose to act ignorant until someone "hands" you a piece of "Peer-Reviewed" paper. The reason you chose not to look, is because you don't want to know. Unofficial groups? The whole darn SPP is a bunch of "unofficial groups" flying under the radar of Congress.
These same "unofficial groups" are the ones directly doing the research and submitting their proposals to these sub-commities you know nothing about. You had better start paying attention to these "unofficial groups" because they come from all 3 Countries, Mexico, Canda, and the U.S.

Bob wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:44 AM:Hey Nick, and C-1, I wouldn't waste my time with some one that doesn't go outside the NCT web site to do some investigating. We know what's going on is not, we the people, for the people by the people, it is private meetings between the three big wigs of each country to develop a union amongst us. To develop a one-world government. Building the super highway from mexico to Canada is part of it along with not securing our borders. How about the national ID card with an RF chip in it. The Amero will be our new currency. This is very scary but I guess without an official proposal all that is going on is not really happening.

Good read wrote on Mar 8, 2008 11:56 AM:There is an interesting article on the surge in the Rolling Stone, of all places. Written from the ground. A couple of key ideas: the Sunnis lost the civil war. As a result, the US is now paying about 80,000 (that's right) to be a "volunteer army". These are the same people that were blowing us up not that long ago. Interestingly, the Sunnis are backed by Bush's hand-holder, the Saudis. So we are simultaneously pretending to achieve a democratically united Iraq and backing one side of the civil war (the side that lost), whose loyalty to us lasts exactly as long as the checks come in. Who knows what this strategy is about, but the tactical aim is clear: make the violence go down so that it can appear that there's progress. Your government, spreading democracy and stability in the middle east, brought to you by Saudi Arabia and its agent, George W Bush.

DD Wiz wrote on Mar 8, 2008 12:24 PM:The post from "Nick" (11:17am) shows that he does not understand how the freedoms of our Constitution work.
People, either as individuals or groups, even nut groups, have the right to meet, peaceably assemble, and petition the government.
The fact that there may be all kinds of "unofficial" groups trying to suggest things to congressional subcommittees is pretty normal.
Some of these may be serious and substantial, others might be from the tinfoil hat crowd.
Until it actually rises to the seriousness of a formal proposal, there is no need to start writing my Congressman.
In the meantime, I suspect that what is really going on here is an effort by alarmists to deflect attention to the real threats to our Constitution by an administration that usurps power from the other branches and engage in the most egregious violations of individual civil liberties in the nation's history.

Geography 101 wrote on Mar 8, 2008 12:49 PM:Druid again today brings up what I read with amusement on this blog last night: whether Mexico is in North America or Central America. Central America is a region like the Middle East or Southeast Asia. North America is a continent. Mexico is on the North American continent, as is all of Central America by the way.

Alan wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:17 PM:To U.S. Constitution rocks!!!....Your comment is absurd. You mimic my statement about rights and then tell me to take a civics class? ... The Constitution provides a clear definition of rights. Some criminals lose those rights as a condition of release from incarceration. Therefore, there are cases/exceptions to the rights afforded by the Constitution. In that same light, stealing ones way into our country, cheating to get citizenship, abusing our social services and using fraud to gain citizenship or ID's doesn't seem to fit the mold for earning the Rights from a Constitution that is also supposed to protect us from abuse! Let me know when you are ready for your next lesson on this subject.

White Rabbit wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:21 PM:DD Wiz wrote on Mar 8, 2008 9:38 AM. Firstly, I’m glad it’s OK by you if we are a Clinton or Obama supporter. I appreciate your approval to choose the candidate I prefer. Secondly, the posts at 4:13, 7:36 and 7:44 were defending Obama FROM character assassination by a Republican. How is that troubling to you? By calling out the other side? Thirdly, you’re one of the remaining undecided? Are you telling us that you didn’t vote in the primary last month? That’s a little hard to believe, DD.

To various posters wrote on Mar 8, 2008 1:45 PM:The right to drive?

Ron wrote on Mar 8, 2008 2:01 PM:The ole Wiz @9:38 AM, is back to the same old rock-n-horse: "...in 2000 the Democrat actually won, but it should have been a cheat-proof landslide margin."
Obviously still whining about Florida.
I'm wondering though, in this so-called majority, this cheat-proof landslide...
Al Gore didn't even pull in his own State of Tennessee! The first time a presidential candidate has failed to win his own state since George McGovern lost his native South Dakota in 1972.
Yes, that's the "majority" the wiz man is refering to.

K-A-T Cat wrote on Mar 8, 2008 2:20 PM:Now that home schooling has been outlawed does that mean California won't have any kids representing us in the National Spelling Bee Ch