Danny wrote on Mar 24, 2008 11:52 PM:About time someone tackled this issue.

Floyd wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:06 AM:The legislation focuses on illegal aliens who are trespassing in the USA, which is not immigration. Immigration occurs when you legally cross a federal border into a country. Trespassing occurs when you are in an area without permission. The law forbidding trespass can be enforced at all levels of government, not just by the federal government.

Miguel wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:46 AM:"Pedro Rios, director of the San Diego office of the American Friends Service Committee, a Quaker human rights organization, said he was troubled by the proposals. Dealing with immigration policy is a federal responsibility, he said."

So Mr. Rios, you are troubled because dealing with illegals should only be done by the feds? You are basically saying even though illegal immigration costs are crippling our state, we can do nothing about it?

So we should lay down, roll over and open our check books to support the "protected" illegal aliens until the federal government comes to our rescue. No thank you!

I'm all for E-Verify! The pro illegal people will probably say it could possibly cause some legal residents trouble. Well this legal resident (yes, I have brown skin) is willing to take any extra steps I need to, to prove that I am in this country legally!! No problema!!

Stephen wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:07 AM:It's about time California did something about the illegal aliens. We are facing a 16 billion dollar deficit and we have half of the nation's illegals in our state. Other states are getting tough and enforcing immigration laws. If California doesn't act now, we'll have nearly all of them here. That should just about double our state budget deficit. Be legal or be gone!

Local wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:00 AM:These bills have a much greater chance of passing now that the economy is in the tank. Charity begins at home. I know that I will be supporting these bills. We no longer have the right to be so liberal with taxpayer money.

MJ wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:36 AM:I have no doubt that there will be a very large number of comments to this article .... the subject matter is a touchstone. The sad truth is that we are just spinning our wheels, having heated arguments that accomplish nothing. We can vent, gripe, groan and bemoan .... but nothing changes. The sad truth is that the Democrats want captive votes (thus, power and money) and the Republicans want captive cheap labor (thus, money and power). History will play itself out, but it is sad to see what has become of this beautiful State I was born and raised in.

Ron wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:23 AM:Nice sentiment guy's, but these bills will never pass with the democrat socialists in Sacramento run by Don Perata, and Fabian Núñez. Thank goodness for Prop. 93, these two clowns are on their way out of government. For those who don't know who these two men are; Fabian Núñez is the California Assembly Speaker who seems to be more interested in representing Mexico than California. While Senate President pro Tem Don Perata is busy making statements about: “all these crackers down in . . . San Diego."
So long fellas, don't let the door hit you on your way out!

handout or hand up? wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:58 AM:our state NEEDS to use some 'common sense' and this is the first step. I continue to hope the parties can work together for the good of the state. I'm fine with the free education - but make it mandatory that you go BACK to your own country for 5 years and use that free education to help your own country prosper.

Pro-American wrote on Mar 25, 2008 5:23 AM:More laws is a good start, again. We need more enforcement of the existing laws.

Dude wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:10 AM:I'm surprised that Edward Sifuentes titled this article Anti Illegal Immigrant. Doesn't he usually just call it Anti Immigrant?
These bills have zero chance of passing. They need to become citizen initiatives.
That's what they had to do in AZ when they were vetoed.

Divisive wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:10 AM:I agree these laws will be divisive. They will divide us into legal and illegal resident status. By the way, that .45 auto I'm carrying is not illegal - I'm just an undocumented concealed carry permit holder.

AOPA wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:26 AM:Even if these bills are passed, who actually thinks they will be enforced?
Yours, A Once Proud American

Do you hear that OCEANSIDE!!! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:36 AM:Assembly Bill 2420 would prohibit cities from declaring themselves "sanctuary cities" for illegal immigrants and not allowing their police to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. NO MORE DIVERSITY FOR YOU!!!

JSten wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:46 AM:
We dont/cant/wont enforce the laws we have on the books now. This is no different. This is just a way for the white folks to diss the brown folks, most of whom are here legally and who probably date back before us in ancestry.

Pass the bleepin law, it wont make any difference.

Common sense please wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:04 AM:Sorry JSten most are here ILLEGALLY just do a survey on Vista, Oceanside and Escondido. You must not live in this area if you lived here you would know otherwise.

Tribal member wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:21 AM:You are ALL here illegally.

But I welcome you to our casino anyway. It's about time to trade in my Mercedes.

Hasta La-way to -go wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:33 AM:I want to see real enforcement. I want illegals not to feel comfortable here anymore. I am tired of sending my kids to school, so they can be alienated by all spanish speaking kids. My children are being left behind. I am tired illegal alien supporter stomping on the rights of legal American citizens. There is going to be a tax revolution if some real enforcement doesn't come soon!

funny wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:36 AM:What's funny is, they say "it doesn't belong at the State level" but whenever cities try to enact their own legislation they are told "it doesn't belong at the City level" LOL! Where does it belong, in the back of all our minds? Come on. We have an illegal immigration problem. To deny it is foolish and will cost us millions.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:40 AM:Have all your friends contact their representatives by e-mail , fax, or phone and urge them to support these bills. Make it clear to these elected officials that killing these bills will end their political careers.

Support of these following bills Assembly Bill 1882, Assembly Bill 2102, Assembly Bill 1928, Assembly Bill 2420, Assembly Bill 648, and Assembly Bill 2812 are a requirement for your continued employment as my elected representative.

I checked all the Bills listed above and found all but 39.
So I removed it from the above list.

Ron wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:46 AM:I hear ya... Tribal member @7:21 AM!
That's why I always refer to casino's as "the Indian's revenge." LOL
Enjoy that Mercedes! Compliments of the US Government, Granny, and her Social Security check.

Randy wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:53 AM:This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. These legislators are unable to balance the state budget. Balancing the state budget is much easier than addressing the illegal immigration issue in a fair and balanced manner.

Becky wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:55 AM:Trial member, I am here legally because I was born here. Nothing will change with the illegal immigration problem, until we change the the law making every child born here a citizen.
I do love your casinos. Thanks.

Jaimie wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:56 AM:I live in a small community\park were the only employees are illegal immigrants or the management harboring them.
A good percentage of the residents them selves are of questionable citizenship many are know to be illegal. The obvious discrimination coming from the management. who is married to a women said to be undergoing naturalization. who's adult daughter is here illegally, has been suffered by many. The ongoing incidents of gross misconduct and civil rights violations are far to many to list Now it s gone to the point were people are getting are getting psychically hurt and maimed. The park has been under knew ownership for over 6 months now but nothing has changed only gotten worse. SOMETHING MUST BE DONE! Unfortunately, I think, the rural area and the slightly different mentality possessed by the majority of the residents, is the reason this has gone on so long. it must end ,but I'm not sure were to begin. maybe you can help.

Fed-UP wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:02 AM:J-Sten, this has nothing to do with skin color. I get so stinking fed up whenever someone throws color into the mix. It has everything to do with the American people, LEGAL-Immigrants and our Government being sucked dry of it's recourse by those that are here ILLEGALLY! Whenever a state, county or local governing authority steps up and is willing to do something about it, you get these stinking idiotic rights groups that start screaming discrimination and foul play. How about someone screaming foul play and discrimination to mine as well as every other American's bank account, right to make a living, and having decent medical care????

A good example: I'm a very hard working divorced Mother. I work my hind end off day in and day out to put a roof over our head and food on the table. It's hard, but I do it. I don't quite make enough to qualify for medical through the state. However, I sure as heck cannot afford the outrageous fees for private insurance. We're uninsured! However, I know of illegal's that get the full blown medical care, as well as every other freebie our government has to offer. Who pays for it? Me and everyone else who belongs to this country. Don't even get me started on the crime crap! That's a whole other issue that deserves to be ranted on!Yep, I'm fed up.

build the wall/ deport! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:02 AM: Women cross the border pregnant or cross then have kids here. Those kids are now LEGAL. It's ALL on our dime. Change that law FIRST! I was born and raised here. As any California native would know, this problem did not happen over night!! "Laws" have not been enforced since the beginning. Now do what Arizone has done- govern on the STATE LEVEL !

Shaky Jake wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:16 AM:Yes by all means blame the undocumented workers for the bad economy in CA. These repugnants are just trying to divert our attention away from the fact that their ways (and the Dems) are a failure. The stats quoted in the article are one sided and unbalanced. They do not account for taxes paid, and the fact that only about 25% of the uncocumented workers in this country are not paying SS taxes, which they do not qualify for. Our economy is being trashed by Wall Street, not the guys on the corner who want to earn an honest dollar. Stop buying into the fear.

Why? wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:23 AM:Why would anyone waste time attempting to institiute new laws when the fine folks (i.e. - judges) at the Federal level of government are prepared to just tell the states to "pound sand" and rule that they are unconstitutional? Face it, until the voters place people in offices of power that are willing to make change.

Concerned-1 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:25 AM:I don't care if this is a publicity stunt or not, it is time we stopped giving the state away. I will do everying I can personally do to support these measures.

Maria Arg..... wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:26 AM:Finally some Assembly Bills that make sense. The State of California is getting out of control. Hopefully these bills will get through and become law.

C'mon! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:33 AM:Listen people...

Instead of venting about the topic HERE, let your voice be heard.

http://legplcms01.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/ContactPopup.aspx?district=AD73

http://legplcms01.lc.ca.gov/PublicLCMS/ContactPopup.aspx?district=AD74

If enough of us write, maybe we can get somewhere with this legislation?

DML wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:36 AM:We need to change the "Angel Baby" laws. If my mother had given birth to me in Mexico I wouldn't have been a Mexican Citizen, because my mother was a citizen of the USA. "Just because a cat has kittens in the oven doesn't make them biscuits!" (unknown).

Rios is a buffoon!! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:37 AM:IF it causes tension and division in the ILLEGAL alien communities, then the bills are doing the job!!! Since states are required to educate, medicate, ajudicate and incarcerate ILLEGALS on their dime with little or NO reimbursement from the Feds, it IS a state issue. CA is being desecrated by the influx of ILLEGALS and everyone knows it. Time to step up to the plate and DENY benefits to ANY non citizen or their children, like they are now doing in AZ. I fully support Garrick and Walters, who ARE working for their constituents. IMAGINE that!!!

steve wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:38 AM:Only 3 million illegals in California? No wonder no one trusts the media & press anymore.

M wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:41 AM:People who work here in California, who are not citizens, pay taxes directly from the wages as well as on every product they purchase. These illegal immigrants contribute to the social security as much as you do, the difference is that when they are no longer able to work in deemining back-breaking labor they won't have any any retirement benefits. Don't forget that these are human beings, not here for political reasons, but in pursuit of life and liberty. Immigrants who are here illegally are not a burden on tax payers, these statements are birthed from ignorance.

Rezqewr wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:42 AM:Just post an I.C.E. official outside every school, hospital, and street-corner 'hiring centre'. Watch how quickly the illegal aliens disappear.
Take away the incentive to come here, and the problem will go away.

Grandstanding wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:42 AM:I support all of these measures in principle but the truth is, it's only political grandstanding. The Supreme Court has already ruled on this and it wont fly. What might work is if states who are most affected by illegal immigration (California, Texas, Florida, New York, Arizona) joined forces and used their political clout to enact change at the Federal level.

Hey Jake? wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:47 AM:Where do you get that 25% pay FICA? I beg to differ. Most do not earn enough from slave wages they are paid to pay anything in FICA. The vast majority are paid cash or IF an employer wants to cover up hiring illegals, they accept fake ID's and 1099 their employees. NO one pays taxes. The ONLY people who benefit from illegal laborers are the unscrupulous employers who hire them. In ALL instances the tax payers are harmed, however. Until you and other illegal alien supporters put your money where you mouth is, please refrain from demanding that your fellow Californians support illegals. Thanks;-)

Jimbo wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:56 AM:These would be common sense laws that would help stem the tide. However, the only thing that will stop these people from coming in is building a concrete wall with razor wire on top of it, and have a division of Army troops patrolling, seriously, along the border. I have often thought that training our troops along the border, and all along it, would go along way to discourage people from coming in. It is sovereign territory, this United States of America.

To M wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:57 AM:You are woefully incorrect!! They don't pay taxes, they don't file returns, the employers don't pay or with hold taxes or provide any kind of Workman's comp insurance on their illegal employees. Why should they? The stupid tax payer can foot the bill for that, to the tune of BILLIONS a year. Regarding retirement? I think the BILLIONS illegals send "home" annually more than covers their retirement. Americans have woken up to the travesty being perpetrated on them by ILLEGAL aliens and aren't going to stand for it any longer. The gravy train is halting all over the US, hopefully CA is next.

sick of it wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:57 AM:American's wake up!!! Illegals clog your court systems, schools, highways, hospitals etc. They carry wads of cash and are able to buy more luxury items than you (check out who has the latest hot cell phones at the mall and who drives the newest cars with expensive trims). While we are all struggling to pay our mortgages and bills, these people keep having more and more babies 'free of charge' at hospitals....they don't have to learn English because they demand interpreters and all sorts of services AND receive them....notice that on most household products it is now in English AND Spanish....why should they assimulate...they don't have to...and won't.

WRITE your legislators wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:04 AM:and tell them you support these new laws. Join CAPS and NumbersUSA and support them. The only way to beat back the illegal immigration mess is to FIGHT!!!!

self determination wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:09 AM:Anybody who considers another human "illegal" or to be "loitering" is ignoring the truth of the matter. These people are not here to hang out like teenagers behind a grocery store. They are here because they have no other options. The situation has to get pretty desperate before anybody will risk their lives by crossing the desert only to live somewhere they know they will have to hide out and live meagerly, and it all stems back to things like NAFTA and outsourcing of labor. You're only passing the buck by putting up walls or deporting people in need.

It's time to take responsibility for our privilege as U.S. citizens by making informed decisions as consumers and citizens. Stop destroying other cultures and opportunities with globalization and people will be free to live their lives in their own country the way they would prefer to. In short: if you voted for either Democrats or Republicans and buy any product that is not union made or Fair Trade you are to blame.

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:10 AM:To M: Please help solve the problem the rest of us perceive -- ADOPT an illegal family. Pay directly for their $10,000/child/year costs (the schools are permitted to accept money); place the family on YOUR medical insurance; keep the children from joining gangs; drive them wherever they must go so they do not drive without licenses and insurance...be a good citizen and show us how compassionate you are both to the illegals, and to the remainder of the legal citizens by taking the financial burden off the taxpayer's back.

To Shaky Jake wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:11 AM:C'mon Jake, you know it was illegals who were buying up all those houses that are now being foreclosed, with their subprime loans. It was probably illegals in the mortgage industry giving subprime loans to anyone with a pulse, too. All so they could undermine the economy of the country they busted their asses to get into.
Scapegoating is a wonderful thing, ain't it?

Mike wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:23 AM:JSten, at 6:46 AM, quips: "This is just a way for the white folks to diss the brown folks, most of whom are here legally and who probably date back before us in ancestry."

I'm not saying this is untrue, or laughably ignorant. I'm still trying to imagine what "date back before us in ancestry" could mean?

Zeb wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:29 AM:Only 3 million illegals in California? That's a way low figure listed by the press. Sort of like the Feds saying there are 12 million illegals in the entire country. Yeah, right. Here's some more reliable numbers: CAPS (Californian's for Population Stabilization) released a study in the 4th quarter of 2007 that stated there are 20 to 38 million illegals in America. A very conservative estimate is that California has 25% of the illegals in the U.S. (it could be as high as 50%). So, taking the most conservative numbers, there are at least 5 million illegal aliens in California (with possibly as many as 19 million).

Dianne wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:31 AM:The state's budget deficit is $16 billion. The state's cost for illegal aliens is $10.5 billion....DUH! Illegals can get free medical. If my insurance doesn't cover 100% of, let's say, cancer treatment (i.e. chemo, radiation, etcetera), I can't get the treatments because I'm a social security recipient. Result..death. Illegals get this treatment for free. Is our world upside down?

Tribal member wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:31 AM:To Becky at 7:55: Native Americans don't recognize your constitution, much less your 14th Amendment, so the fact you were born here has no bearing on your legal status as far as we are concerned. We demand you round yourselves up and ship yourselves back to the countries from which you came! Oh, yeah, put the buffalo back while you're at it.

To Bad wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:34 AM:the Majority, Democrats, won't go along with these bills. They see the illegals as their voting block. We need the NCT to publish how each member of the legislature votes on these. Name, area represented and how they voted. To the neysayers, all you have to do is look at Arizona to see the laws are working and taxpayers are starting to feel the difference already. I don't know why it is so difficult to understand that those that don't pay into the system yet take from it causes economic problems for all. It is obvious those that favor the illegal immigrants behavior don't understand economics including politicians. It is understandable in the Activists case as they are looking for a free ride through life also. We need these laws and need to make sure they are enforced. Write your Representative now!

Ken wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:37 AM:I want each and every law that has to do with immigration to be enforced! Why isn't it being done? I am not against LEGAL immigration, but rather the ILLEGAL immigration. The ILLEGAL ALIENS are INVADING our great country and we need to put a stop to it RIGHT NOW! STOP BENEFITS that are going to the ILLEGAL ALIENS and use that money to help those that are here LEGALLY. Escondido truly needs to enforce each and every immigration law and stop saying that the federal government needs to do it. There is much that our local governments can do and should do to help stop this injustice to the LEGAL citizens in our fine country.

Bob wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:40 AM:I am sick and tired of those who do not understand the term "Illegal". Those who flagrantly violate our laws and disrespect the sovereignty of this wonderful country, are "Illegal". Their motives are defensible and honorable...but they need to become citizens through the proper channels, not by jumping a fence or digging under one. It is not a race issue. It is purely a legal issue, an economic issue, and one that is changing the very culture that has made this country great in the past.

Jose wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:51 AM:It sounds good but the democrats wiil not let it go through. You know I'm ready to be part of a huge march like the ones that are formed by pro-illegal groups. When are pro-legal organizations gonna mobilze some serious action. I think to many of us are afraid of being called racist. Blogging is safe.

Tomas wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:51 AM:More racists laws being proposed by more racists politicins! That's the problem with the USA - it's ran by rich white people. Barack Obama and his preecher knows this! When Barack is president he will throw away all racists laws likes these and finally give amnesty to all the hard working migrants who deserves it so much.

sdraoul wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:03 AM:The person who said that if they were born of an American mother in Mexico that they wouldn't be a Mexican citizen is wrong, as are almost every single one of the posters here who revel in these proposals by Garrick and Mimi.

None of these proposals has a chance of passing. These two Assembly people are wasting out tax dollars and adding to the deficit.

To M wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:06 AM:They pay social security and taxes? Your kidding right. Have you ever heard of the term "under the table". Maybe thewy pay taxes using my social security number. And for sales taxes, so does every tourist. Are we going to give them drivers licenses, in state tuition, welfare, food stamps, a free k-12 education? Get real!

To Tribal Member wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:11 AM:Can I join your drum circle? I'll let you use my time machine. Unlike Uncle Rico's, it actually works. You can go back in time and stop Manifest Destiny. I'm sure if your tribe only had you as a leader, the onslaught would have been thwarted.

A Novel Idea wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:38 AM:We should approach this issue with ingenuity -- why not enlist and train the hispanic Diaspora here as freedom fighters and assist them in taking their countries back from the drug lords and oligarchs -- heck, we have done the same in many other countries, why not in our own back yard?

Not racist, huh? wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:58 AM:All those who claim there is nothing racist about these laws (or these posts) just take a look at "sick of it" at 8:57. If it's not racist why so many complaints about illegals speaking Spanish? Do a lot of Canadian, Asian or European illegal immigrants speak Spanish, too? And look at his assumption that all those people with the "hot cell phones" and "expensive cars" are illegal, just because presumably they speak Spanish or look Hispanic? Certainly there's no way anyone of Mexican ancestry could be here LEGALLY, or hold a decent-paying job, right Sick Of It?

Bill wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:00 AM:They should pass a law for general contractors to have their licensed suspended for a year and a reward for the person who tips off the authorities for using day laborers instead of licensed and bonded subcontractors. Look near any home improvement store in the morning and see scores of day laborers wanting to work for a hundred dollars a day. Right now the fine is like a traffic ticket.

Steve wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 AM:We need to get all of those wild eyed radicals who run the hotels, restaurants, construction companies, meat packing plants etc. to obey the laws and not hire the illegals. Oh... that's right they are Republicans so forget it. It is more important in this country to allow these people to make their money at the expense of the American people and our economy. Do you really think that these people will give up their excess profits? If so there is a bridge for sale in the Arizona desert you might be interested in.

Junior wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:22 AM:Deport all the white people to Siberia and we will finally be at peace.

Jimbo wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:26 AM:To whom it may concern, and especially to those people who think California belongs to Mexico. I am 1/64 th Indian. The indian spirits within me tell me to follow the law, and that by doing so, we honor the memories of our ancestors.

What wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:27 AM:To "Tribal Memeber" I sympathize with your people and the struggles your people have gone through since the Europeans came to North America and I respect that you did not want to be assimilated into American culture but has there ever been any proof that your people where here from the beginning of time or did they come here from another continent and just lucked out that there were not any indigenous peoples that they would have had to conquer.Pleae do not get me wrong, I am not trying to start a fight I am merely pointing out that nobody truley had claim to this land and the Europeans where the last to get here and were armed enough to control and keep it.

America wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:38 AM:Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Unfunded mandates wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:40 AM:Immigration is a federal issue. The state is bankrupted, and now they want our cities to bear additional costs of being federal officers? I'd applaud this if in fact it was a real solution, but it is not. I expect more from both our Republican and Democratic legislators. I expect them to pressure the feds in coming up with a solution and FUNDING IT. This is just an attempt to get votes in November. Is Immigration a wedge issue? Yes. Does anyone ever wins when accusations are passed back and forth? No.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:42 AM:To: "WRITE your legislators"
Thanks, NumbersUSA web site has a list and grading on representatives voting concerning Immigration issues.

Tribal Member wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:48 AM:To "To tribal Member" at 10:11: Congratulations, you have picked up on the lunacy of assuming that one can turn back time. You can be an honorary nonvoting member until we do a DNA test to see if you are at least one-fourth Native American (in reality, very few of us "natives" are much more than that anymore, despite what certain tribal leaders would have you believe). Now if only those who think it's even remotely possible to round up 20 million people and deport them would also pick up on this, maybe we could begin to come up with some RATIONAL ideas for controlling and dealing with illegal immigration. Welcome to my drum circle.

esteban wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:51 AM:I predict these will pass with flying colors. The Americans against illegal immigration are in the majority.

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:06 PM:To Huh? In California we have mostly, but not exclusively Latino illegals. In Mid-California, we have Chinese and other Asian illegals. In Florida we have Haitian illegals, in New York we have Russian illegals, in Buffalo we have Canadian illegals, and in Boston we have Irish illegals. The majority of ALL illegals are Mexican, simply because we have a common border. In San Diego, the problem we have with illegals is with Latino illegals, mostly Mexican because of proximity, and it is NOT racist to say so. It is FACTUAL.

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:18 PM:Perhaps someone can enlighten me -- I understand that immigration is a "federal issue." The claim is made that local enforcement should not get involved with something that is exclusively a federal issue. Does that mean that a deserter from the Armed Forces, strictly a federal offense for which there is no local or state statute involved, who is caught in a traffic stop will not be turned over to federal authorities?

NCT's is not printing wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:39 PM:comments AGAIN. I wonder why when someone tells people who to get involved with to stop ILLEGAL immigration their comments are not printed???

to Reardon, from 'Huh?' wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:49 PM:There's nothing wrong with noting that the great majority of illegal immigrants in this part of the world are Latino, and I acknowledge it's true. But Sick Of It and far too many other posters on these articles make it clear they oppose illegal immigration BECAUSE they are Latinos. They say otherwise, but look at what they object to: Too many people speaking Spanish; Hispanics with more toys than they have and "pockets full of cash". And they assume that every Hispanic they see is here illegally. That's racist.

For others who see it as a matter of principle or a purely economic concern, I can at least respect their/your position, even if I do think you're being incredibly short-sighted. (People scream bloody murder when the price of gas goes up 50 cents a gallon. How loud do you think they'd scream when the cost of food doubled overnight because the bulk of the farm labor was deported?) Everyone says it would be a good tradeoff, because we would no longer have to absorb the cost of health care, education or incarceration of the criminal aliens, but those are indirect costs. The cost of goods and services now provided by illegal immigrants -- including food harvesting -- would skyrocket almost immediately if they were successful. And you think government is going to give those tax dollars back?

Chrissss wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:01 PM:Rios said: "It only creates more division and tension."--------This always kills me when groups use the word "division." Does it EVER occur to them that by naming their organizations or groups in Spanish that they are the ones creating divisiveness from the git-go? Think about it.

Concerned-1 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:10 PM:As for the illegal farm workers leaving us without food when they leave, bull! I don't want them handling my food anyway. I'm growing my own vegetables and encourage everyone to start a garden.

Chrisss wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:25 PM:Oh, gee, M, I loved your comment..."Immigrants who are here illegally are not a burden on tax payers, these statements are birthed from ignorance..."-----Yes, we who have been doing our taxes every April for over 40 years are just so ignorant; thank you for enlightening we ignoramuses (who pay over $23,000 in Fed and State ALONE every year!) as to how income tax is paid. Do ya REALLY think that these "poor human beings who just wanna feed their families"---off America's generosity---are paying the kind of taxes we are?! How is that possible when they are supposedly being paid minimum wage, have 6 dependents, then claim EIC? Anyone, Bueller, anyone? And this alleged amount they pay in pays for the expense of childbirth and schooling???????? Uh, no.

Alyssa wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:37 PM:these laws are NOT racist at all. WE DO allows people to come to the United States LEGALLY no problem. Illegal is a different story. If we were racists we wouldn't allows anyone in. Illegal immigration Costs SO much. Why not just do it correctly and be legally here? Is it too much to ask? obviously! We have to work and pay for health insurance here. They need to do the same if they are going to be here they need to work and pay like everyone else. Not too much to ask to get a job. Not racist.

dilemma wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:46 PM:Lets see here, the republicans are trying to fix a problem and the democrats are trying to get in the way. I wonder who I should vote for. What a dilemma!

Migrating Again wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:01 PM:In my neighborhood, the migrants boarding in single family homes have been leaving since housing construction has slowed. These once crowded houses now are empty and being sold at firesale prices. The families buying these homes are getting great deals after putting in some tender loving care that was lacking by the former residents.

To HUH? From Bobby wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:03 PM:I'd gladly pay an extra $1.10 for lettuce knowing it was picked by a taxpaying american citizen

Nancy wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:03 PM:To "to Reardon, from 'Huh?'"

How many of the illegals in our country do you actually think are farm workers?It is a very small minority.

Even the vast majority of illegals that live in the canyons around my home near a tomato farm aren't actually farm workers! They are day laborers who stand on our corners looking to get daily work and are paid under the table. I see them walk out of the canyon near my home every day and stand on our street corner. (Just what every parent wants- transient men hanging out in our neighborhood)

We have H2A visas for farm workers to come legally and of course our farms can automate to lessen the need for workers.

Ed Weirdness wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:05 PM:These legslators are to be commended for their courage in confronting this issue. Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crime, pollution, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, lack of affordable housing, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, diminishing resources, vanishing farm land and green space, the balkanization of our communities, the overall decline in quality of life are all the result of unconstrained immigration. Too many people chasing few resources. Indeed, virtually every industrialized country, even China, has taken steps to end illegal immigration, and to curtail legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interests of their native population. Its dangerously misguided to suggest that America cannot or should not do likewise!

KCGuy wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:16 PM:Dear Tribal member,
The relationship between Europeans and your tribes is more complex than you make it. The Mayans welcomed the Spanish. There were multiple Indian nations, many at war with each other and happy to have us pale-faces as accomplices. Perhaps you could go tribe by tribe and illustrate which statutes and ordinances they had that were violated by Europeans, as to say that Europeans were always illegal aliens or even unwelcome is factually untrue.

Bettybb wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:18 PM:To Chriss...

The division and tension is between people who believe in the rule of law and equal treatment for all.. and those who don't.

Bring on the division and tension!

That is a battle worth figthing.

Not scared wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:20 PM:To those who try to scare the public with your statements that food prices would "skyrocket" or we would be paying $5 for a head of lettuce if it weren't for illegals, I say BS. There are many fixed costs associated with farming and getting food to consumers. The land itself, the water, the tractors, the trucking to the markets, the market costs, the checkers and so on would be the same. The difference would be in the wages to the pickers. The cost for this portion would go up due to having to pay an honest wage, but total cost to the consumer would not "skyrocket". I would gladly pay a little more if I didn't have to pay the enormous costs of social services to people who should not even be in this country. And to M who says "Don't forget that these are human beings.........". I say, tell that to the Mexican government.

Bettybb wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:24 PM:America has always, as long as they are LEGAL immigrants taken the position:

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp

Bettybb wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:31 PM:So North Country Times censors pro rule of law comments..

I do not see any of my numerous commnets being posted, and many of which are almost idential to comments of mine which have been posted on hundreds of other sites, about half of which, at least, are pro illegal immigration.

Not good for free speech in Ameria.

But that is what happens when you start accept massive lawbreaking, and giving preferential treatment to one group, and ignoring the USA constitutions anti discrimination clause, and equal protection clause.

We are going to be a third world country in no time if this keeps up. Actually some other countries have estimated that the USA will decend to that level within 30 years if we do not enforce our immigration laws.

Bet this does not get posted either.

Facts are really disturbing when you are are desparately trying to get people to accept dispictable ideas, like amnesty for serial lawbreaking illegal immigrants.

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:35 PM:My plan institutes a "carrot" to entice those families to self-deport, and a stick if they do not. (All at no cost to the taxpayers.)


1) Secure the Border,

2) Deport ALL CONVICTED CRIMINAL illegal alien.

3) Double (or even TRIPLE) LEGAL immigration from all Latin countries.

4) Institute a Worker program with all current illegal alien WORKERS IN SPECIFIC LABOR CATEGORIES eligible for a 10-year Green Card (renewable in 5 year increments on good behavior) -- IF they agree to have their non-American citizen family-members move back immediately to their home country. (Violators to lose their Green Card status).

5) Institute a CONTROLLED Guest Worker program of new workers, based on 2 year, unaccompanied tours, (renewable 3 times on good behavior).

This proposal would blunt claims of racism, decrease immeasurably the social cost drain on the taxpayer, and provide a large source for low-cost labor while keeping the remittances to Latin countries generally untouched.

This is a win-win situation in which there is an incentive for self-deportation of the drain on taxpayers worker's families), while keeping the benefit(s) of labor

Proposals wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:42 PM:Don't Go Far Enough! Stop illegals, whatever race, color or creed from receiving any state or federal government benefits, be it education, welfare, social security, etc. and ship them back where they came from. Go back & fix your own countries instead of bankrupting ours. And, if our elected reps don't support the will of the people - vote 'em out of office. Let's exercise OUR rights as citizens at the polling place!

Edweirdness wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:49 PM:All the "fear mongering" about skyrocketing prices for food is nonsense. The cost of food has never gone down or remained stable as the result of hiring illegal immigrants. Best guess estimates are that illegal aliens make up only 5% or our workforce (not all of the 12 to 20 millions illegals are working jobs)or 1 in 20 workers. We've probably experienced the exact same effect with the recent economic downturn and lay-offs of recent months. Further, labor actually only constitutes 5% to 7% of the costs of food production, and illegal aliens only represent a very narrow slice of the overall costs of food. Recent prices increases in food are the result of increased fuel and distribution costs and have nothing to do with labor costs. Also, the skyrocketing price of corn that can be Further, America exports more food that it imports, or for that matter we export more food than we consume. One need look no farther than the dumpster behind any super market, school, hospital, military base, etc,,, to realize that we through away more produce than we consume. The fact that American's are the most obese people on the planet (Mexico is now #2 in terms of obesity) also makes any arguments about "run away food prices" speculative at best.

Nick wrote on Mar 25, 2008 2:53 PM:I can't believe how many ignorant people keep using the inscription on the Statue of Liberty to justify ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. You people need to go back to history class. The Statue of Liberty has NOTHING TO DO WITH IMMIGRATION.
Discussions in France over a suitable gift to the United States to mark the Centennial of the American Declaration of Independence were headed by the politician and sympathetic writer of the history of the United States, Édouard René de Laboulaye. French sculptor Frédéric Bartholdi was commissioned to design a sculpture with the year 1876 in mind for completion. The idea for the commemorative gift then grew out of the political turmoil which was shaking France at the time. The French Third Republic was still considered as a "temporary" arrangement by many, who wished a return to monarchism, or to some form of representation of republican virtues to a "sister" republic across the sea served as a focus for the republican cause against other politicians.
The Statue of Liberty is a sham!

Susie wrote on Mar 25, 2008 3:07 PM:One way to make sure that the illegal immigration assembely bills get passed is for us the taxpayers/Citizens, fax,write and/or call your house/senate representive and tell them you want these bills passed and that it is about time that they represented the American Citizens that they were elected to and not their special interest groups who they receive money from. We do have the power to vote every single one of them who will not represent us out of office and that is what we need to do! Let them know how you feel, they have the lowest polls and respect of the American Citizens and you need to speak up and let them know how badly they are doing their jobs.

The Movement wrote on Mar 25, 2008 3:08 PM:This is it folks. The movement begins. Yes, we will vote to stop supporting illegals. Yes we will vote to stop hiring illegals. Yes, we will allow them to self deport by not renting, selling or otherwise accommodating illegal aliens!

Brian wrote on Mar 25, 2008 3:29 PM:To Nick- you are correct. The Statue of Liberty arrived without a base. Emma Lazarus was a wealthy New Yorker who raised the money to build the base (it wasn't yet a National Park). In exchange for building the base, she mandated that it contain her ridiculous poem "The American Colossus". Amazingly, people have been led to believe this is our governemnt's immigration policy.

Jim wrote on Mar 25, 2008 3:43 PM:"An immigrant rights advocate called the bills divisive." Yeah, it's divisive, all right. It divides people up into two groups - one group that wants to obey the law and one group that doesn't.

Get Over It! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:18 PM:What a bunch of silly buffoons you all are. We're on the brink of an economic disaster, we're fighting a war we can't hope to win, and these Assembly clowns float a bill that has no chnace of passing. Well, at least they seem to be going with the trend! Until the feds get serious about this issue, nothing will happen. Personaly, I don't want to live in Arizona, and I don't want California to be like Arizona. I'm an open borders kinda guy. The fastest way to turn this around is to allow US citizens and capital free access to Mexico and Mexican markets, and boy oh boy, all these "illegals" are going to want to stay in Mexico! Funny thing is they'll still be working for us (in the short term). Eventually, they'll have their own businesses, their middle class will grow, and both will acheive a more balanced economy. Now, this idea won;t work if somehow you're opposed the brown skin, but if you're truly color blind, this is the ticket!!

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:33 PM:Hey, Get Over it! Can you tell us "buffoons" where you get whatever you are smoking? (Is it just possible to hold an opinion counter to yours without being called names?)

Don't blame the immigrants wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:36 PM:I am not mad at the illegal immigrants. They are just coming here for the same reasons our ancestors did. To make a better life for our families.
I am disappointed in our government's lame policies. I don't think we should be handing out welfare checks and food stamps to folks who cannot take the time to go through the legal process. I also am disappointed in the immigrants that send millions of dollars back to mexico. I realize that the folks back home depend on that money but I also think it is fair to ask that some of the money stay in the community it is earned in to help pay for schools and healthcare.
I also think that the businesses that use illegal labor are like the union busters that used scab labor to undercut living wages. Why should a business pay health care insurance or any other benefits when there is some else who will do the same job for less money. Of course the businesses get rich and the taxpayers get stuck with the bill. It does not seem fair to me.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:49 PM:Mr "Get over it" is calling us all racist clowns because we want illegal's off of the tax payers back and out of our country.
This is not a joking matter.
Letting people into this country who have no intention of assimilating will only lead to a fractured society.
This is just like a team having a teammate who's loyalty is to the opposing team.

Names!?! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 4:57 PM:Actually, it is practically impossible to hold an opinion contrary to mine without having me resort to calling anyone a name. Look, I listen to talk radio constantly, and all they do is call people names, so I guess it's OK, right? Besides, I like the word "buffoon". It's fun to say. I like "clown", too. It reminds me of a Keystone Cops movie. As for what I'm smoking, sorry - I only smoke when I'm on fire. Now, if I can only lern how to spell.....

What wrote on Mar 25, 2008 5:20 PM:I understand that they send some of their money back to Mexico through wire transfers - would it be possible to place a tax on that?

Jim wrote on Mar 25, 2008 5:49 PM:Get Over It/Names!?!: Free enterprise with Mexico?! One of their sheriffs just came across the border yesterday begging for protection. Who in their right mind would want to do business with that corrupt country? You ARE smoking something and that must be the business you're talking about.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 25, 2008 5:56 PM:Mr "Get over it" Add critical thought to the list of things for you to improve.

Some progress wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:28 PM:Hey, we're making some progress with these stories. Even Sifuentes is using the word ILLEGAL now! Thanks Edward! I think the majority of bloggers to these stories who have had to constantly point out the difference between legal and illegal are to be congratulated. We are making a difference. And another thing. The article contain no quotes from the normal group of illegal supporters, such as Tina J, Bill F, Raoul C, etal. Only the ones with no logical argument who resort to name calling remain. This is indeed progress!

Tom wrote on Mar 25, 2008 6:36 PM:I cannot believe that we can't get something done on this issue. But as soon as these bills hit the assembly they are dead. That is why most of them are getting kicked out of their seats. They don't do anything up there but pass lousy bills and spend taxpayer money. They sure as heck don't listen to the will of the people. Maybe just maybe after Nunez and his buddies are gone, we can clean up California!

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:09 PM:Get rid of the last workers...lets hurry up and bottom out.

Ron wrote on Mar 25, 2008 7:32 PM:It is about time these bills were introduced. Now all we need to do is bring home our troops from Iraq and put them along our southern border to defend against the real enemy of our country. Not only will that defend us from the illegal invasion from Central America it will free up Border Patrol and ICE to round up and deport the millions of illegal aliens already in our country. By the way Tribal person you should just be happy that we allowed you to remain after your defeat. It is too bad that our treaties were written so poorly that you were allowed to stay a sovereign nation but I guess that just goes to show that there were liberals and Democrats back then screwing things up too.

WoW! wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:16 PM:Ron is an advocate of genocide?!? Just where were the tribes supposed to go? They were already home! Wow, and I'm accused of using such terrible names as buffon and clown - put me in my place, eh? As for critical thought, get a grip. My idea has the same chance of succeeding as these bills and your lousy ideas - NONE! This issue is soooooo complicated and requires buy-in from soooo many diverse groups and interests but no one wants to SERIOUSLY address it. Close the borders - stop benefits - arrest employers - blah, blah, blah. Face it, this country isn't doing very well with wars - Iraq, , Illegal Aliens. What I will say is that once the economy returns, and once we have a more non-partison congress, then a solution may present itself. In the current climate, no way Jose.

Tribal member wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:36 PM:Ron -- My people and I thank you from the bottom of our hearts for allowing us to live on such lush, arable land and allowing us to breathe the same air as you. You are truly a man of great honor.

Reardon -- I got a kick out of your "carrot and stick" plan, especially the first step, "Secure the Border." It remin ded of that old joke about how to become a millionaire. The first step? "First, get a million dollars..." (Of course, for some of us that has proved a little easier than for others. The line should be changed to "First, get the white man to allow you open a casino...")

hmmm wrote on Mar 25, 2008 8:46 PM:"His bill would require police to contact immigration authorities when a person suspected of being an illegal immigrant is arrested for driving under the influence." I thought they would have been doing this the whole time...but that would make too much sense.

Reardon wrote on Mar 25, 2008 9:17 PM:To Tribal Member: I understand. Several decades ago I owned and raced a relatively rare sports car, and at Riverside I had the transmission fail. We ordered a new transmission from the factory in England, and a book on replacement of the transmission. The first instruction was 1) Remove the engine.

If I could remove the engine with just one instruction, I would not need the book on the transmission!

John wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:15 PM:Seems like every new bill has a price - especially the ones coming out of law makers. Another set of rules and a little less freedom. Has America become a nation of control freaks - or were we always that way?

lynn wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:28 PM:Long long overdue. With CA having a budget crisis something has to be done and obviously a lot of our problem is illegal immigration gone wild. Free medical, schooling, etc. And from what I've heard the state actually brings in more money than in the past. Now let's see if the legislators have the guts to do what's right for the state or cater to their special interest groups.

EscoWatchDog wrote on Mar 25, 2008 11:21 PM:Down with the racist, reactionary politicos who hate immigrants! Find a solution instead of creating a bigger police state. Our schools are shutting down because these republicans continue to support the war.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:15 AM:Quit blaming illegal workers for the subprime crisis, recession, state budget etc.....if you smelt it, you dealt it.

No duh! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 6:25 AM:With everyone losing their jobs, people will have to go back to work that the illegals are doing now.

To Tribual Member wrote on Mar 26, 2008 6:40 AM:Hey google, welsh white indians. It appears they were here way before Columbus. Now my question is does the white man get to share in the casino profits?

edweirdness wrote on Mar 26, 2008 6:48 AM:Roberto1:
Actually, illegals by their sheer numbers have obviously played some role in the subprime crisis, recession, state budgets, etc,, by virtue of the fact that they are here. Illegal immigrants often receive credit for their minimal contributions to the local communities (usually through sales tax, big whoop there). Overpopulation, congestion, urban sprawl, crime, pollution, crumbling infrastructure, overcrowded schools and emergency rooms, lack of affordable housing, vanishing farmland and green space, diminishing resources, depressed wages, increased tax burdens, the balkanization of our communities, the overall decline in quality of life are all the result of unconstrained immigration. Too many people chasing limited resources! There is no problem confronting America's Citizens that would not be measurably improved by securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws. Virtually every industrialized nation, even China, has taken steps to end illegal immigration, and to curtail legal immigration to only that which is prudent, demonstrably necessary, and above all other concerns, in the best interest of their native population. Its dangerously misguided to suggest that America cannot or should not do likewise. Fresh air, clean water, and wide open spaces! They aren't making any more of any of these, all are vital to living, and all are negatively impacted by unconstrained, opportunistic immigration!

Hmmm... wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:14 AM:I don't believe Escondido is going to need a rental ban, they will just self deport.

Tribal member wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:15 AM:To the 6:40 post with trouble spelling 'tribal' -- What a coincidence. My ancestors were here way before Columbus, too! Let's see, the Welsh were here in the 1100s AD, my ancestors in 10,000 BC.... Hmmm, who was here first? But OK, I can be generous. They can become voting members of my drum circle. I'll have an open-tent policy for anyone who was here before Columbus.

I was just thinking wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:19 AM:with these new bills and the Supreme Court ruled over Jorge that illegals on death row can be executed by the State of Texas. I don't think this is a good time for students on spring break going to Mexico.

Wyalusing wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:22 AM:To Tribal member: A lot of white/black people here in the US can trace their ancestry to include Native American, especially if their ancestors have been in this country for over 200 years. And we are all very proud of it. In Mexico, most all people are 'mestizo', meaning mixed Spanish/Native heritage. It would sound silly in Mexico to tell all Spanish-blood people to go back to Europe, just like it would sound silly to tell all 'white'or 'black' looking people to go back to Europe or Africa. There would be no one to fill up the casinos if this were the case, and the US and Mexico would be empty of 'illegals' because they'd be back in Spain. Believe me, the Seneca tribe was instumental in getting indian gaming started, and I am happy for that (my ancestry). But interestingly enough, Indian nations here in the US have their own 'borders.' Ask any non-gaming tribe in this area, or any ousted tribal members from Pechanga. At this point in time, you can't tell "white people" in the US to go back to Europe - we're too intermixed. And no tribe from Mexico has ever been living in Pennsylvania! The logic that US land belongs to Mexicans is so flawed. Why does Mexico have a border with Guatemala? The Mayans lived in Mexico and Guatemala. Hmmmmm......

Molon Labe wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:40 AM:Why do we need more bills and laws?

Just enforce the ones we have now.

C'mon wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:01 AM:I love the way you PRO-illegal-alien types say that there isn't a growing problem with illegal aliens.

It is ONE of the major problems we have. No one is arguing that the war, bush, housing are problems.

YOU just need to admit that illegals ARE a problem. If you can't, then YOU are part of the problem.

Tribal member wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:13 AM:Wyalusing, I wouldn't dispute anything you said except that I don't think there are nearly as many people in this country with Indian blood as you think. There may be 10 million or so "white people" with some Indian blood (and as you noted, nearly all Hispanics have some), so maybe 70 or 80 million? Just a semi-wild guess. And who said US land belongs to Mexico (in this post, I mean)? I say it belongs to you and me and the rest of us who can trace our ancestry back before Columbus and his Devils arrived. Sure, our ancestors may have fought among each other, too, but I think we could all get along better today.

(Psst, don't tell anyone else, but I really don't want to turn back the clock. I kinda like my Mercedes and my air-conditioned house, all paid for by people who like bright lights, bells and whistles. Kind of a nice irony after that whole Manhattan/$24 bead thing, doncha think?)

Seeya at the casino.

Milt wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:21 AM:Deport all the illegal invaders!!!

Tony wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:47 AM:Well said edweirdness!

Lora wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:08 AM:Maybe it's just me, but I have a big problem with an illegal on Fox 6 News, complaining that American Students from out of state have more options than the illegals do, when it comes to financing their educations, so they should pay higher out of state tuition rates. HOW DARE THEY! Maybe they should go back to their native country, and get an education there, at their government's expense....but wait, their government doesn't care if it's people are educated or not. Uneducated people are easy to manage!

What wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:13 AM:To "Tribal member" Your people and the rest of the U.S. Citizens have more in common than you think. You want the European decendants out and the European decendants want all illegals out. Your people once welcomed Europeans and then when your people found out what was really happening they decided to fight, which is the same thing that is starting to happen now except instead of using arrows and rifles it is now bills and protests. WE HAVE MORE IN COMMON THAN YOU THINK.

Learn wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:20 AM:WOW as I read all these different comments and concerned I have to ask myself if anyone of these people know any illegal immigrants? Have you ever sat with one and talked to them? If you have, how many of you would like them to be arrested torn away from their life here and being sent back to a place where there is no opportunity? You have to be the most selfish self centered person to want that on anyone.

To all those who say that yes they cost tax payers money, well hey I would not want to be in those poor illegal immigrants shoes. They do pay taxes, most of them who work for companies get a paycheck and the state taxes them on their paycheck. Most of them dont file taxes so all those refunds that are never claimed for all these years who keeps them. Yep the state. So crisis? What crisis. Thousands of illegals here in California dont file taxes so that there is free money for the state. Dont use the excuse that its Illegal Immigration that is making the budget deplete. Sorry they all work and pay taxes and dont claim. This Nation was founded and has grown since the beginning because if illegal immigration. Read the Statue of Liberty. Then tell me whats up.

People need to go out and observe instead of having this prejudice against all those who are struggling just like us to keep our heads above water. Providing to families, and spending and keeping the economy going.

Hit the streets and met them, and tell them you wish to destroy any opportunity to become a better person.

Yes, Laura wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:23 AM:And you are a perfect example of that fact.

JUST SAY NO MORE!!!! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:42 AM:NO MORE ILLEGALS!!! NO MORE MAIL ORDER BRIDES!!! NO TO IMMORALITY AND LAWLESSNESS.

To "Learn" wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:50 AM:Your typical rhetoric does not make sense.

If illegals did there fair share do you really think there would be such an uproar?

FACT: More is spent on illegal aliens than they contribute to this country.

To: To "Learn" wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:01 AM:"If illegals did there fair share do you really think there would be such an uproar?" They pay their fair share and then some. They contribute to our economy and help sustain it.

unknown wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:06 AM:Tribal Memmber made it clear, Our ANCESTORS came into this country illegally all from Africa, Asia, South America, Europe. The Idians, though now in a sovern, had the land before everyone.

To Learn wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:17 AM:How are they paying taxes when they don't have a Social Security Card. Oh that's right they are using a fake SSN-- a Felony--
This nation is run by law and order. Without laws and boundaries this place would be a mish-mash of unruly, disrespectful lawlessness. It would be unlivable.
Immigrants need to come here legally for many reasons, it is a slap in the face for the people who are waiting patiently and doing it the correct way to be able to come to the USA. We should in no way reward those who are here illegally.

Sigh wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:40 AM:Many of the people on assistants are americans who have twenty kids and are too lazy to work. Illegals will do a job an american would not do without a complaint and they do not see any of those taxes come back to them. If you want to fix the the united states money problems crack down on the assistants being given to lazy people who want to have kids and have the govt pay for it, most of those being americans!!! We have all had ancestors that are illegal I don't give a heck if you were born here or not your family was illegal somewhere in your family tree! I am born american and white and proud but people should not be punished because of where they came from and because they want to work and support there families. Help the good illegals get legal instead of all avenues to make them legal being so hard and so expensive, heck to be on your way to become legal you have to leave your family behind to go back just be be approved and let back in. How does that make sense.

Why would an wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:53 AM:American need assistants if they have 20 kids? That would be 40 extra hands more than enough assistance.

Let them live in peace!!! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:02 PM:"3 million illegal immigrants" Is that all really. Well what is the big deal? Leave them alone!! Let them pursue life, liberty and property as afforded under the 14th Amendment. They do take the jobs Americans will not take! They will work for minimum wage and let's face not even our teenagers want to work for $8.00 an hour. Leave them alone already!!!

My Family Tree is a True American...Indian that is wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:07 PM:Uhhh...stop stop arguing over being immigrant, illegal... the whole issue is too far gone for these arguments.... if anything blame our government they have let this happen. Government only cares if its putting money in thier pockets and until the common folk speak up then they keep taking, until the common people say enough is enough...then the government will sit around for the next decade and think of plans and actions to take but yet nothing really ever happens...thus making all of us upset at the whole situation and turing on each other....when we all know we can work together but we have to ignore the government first and take action locally, brainstorming plans locally just like the dang republicans who took the time to brainstorm these bills. Don't rely on the government to take care of the common working people, and what works for us as a whole...look where we are right now? Uhhhh we are going down the drain very fast. I hope we can stabalize a common working ground for these people coming from other countries who want a better life, but to also work tordes helping the country they left. We need to understand the humanity of it all...everyone will soon be leaving the US if the republicans stay in presidential seat because, we will want to be able to feed our families and have education because at this rate we will be at that position soon. Brainstorm together...not argue

Fed Worker wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:07 PM:First of all REARDON is correct, the fact that there are more illegal latinos in California is due to the fact that our neighbor is Mexico.
There are illegals for each and every country in the USA, folks from London who come for a visit and oops forget to leave? I see this all the time in my type of work.

However, I have to agree with HUH? I have NEVER EVER seen any other race besides latinos wash cars at the carwash...have you? How many of you would take that job at minimum wage? Not many I'm sure. Heck not even our teenagers looking for a summer job would even consider it. So yes, let's DEPORT all illegals from California. The day you have to pay $6 for 1 tomato because there were no illegals to pick them you will remember this email.

Fed Officer wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:09 PM:First of all REARDON is correct, the fact that there are more illegal latinos in California is due to the fact that our neighbor is Mexico.
There are illegals for each and every country in the USA, folks from London who come for a visit and oops forget to leave? I see this all the time in my type of work.

However, I have to agree with HUH? I have NEVER EVER seen any other race besides latinos wash cars at the carwash...have you? How many of you would take that job at minimum wage? Not many I'm sure. Heck not even our teenagers looking for a summer job would even consider it. So yes, let's DEPORT all illegals from California. The day you have to pay $6 for 1 tomato because there were no illegals to pick them you will remember this email.

C'mon wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:12 PM:Quote from above:

" They pay their fair share and then some. They contribute to our economy and help sustain it."

PURE NONSENSE!

They work for $8 and hour but cause a multi-billion dollar drain on public programs (healthcare, schools, jails etc..)

FACT: Illegals are a drain on public programs.

To Let them live in peace wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:23 PM:Excuse me, but it might of been 3 million back in 1980, but now try 50 million and climbing.

David wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:32 PM:Enough of the madness and lies! Why the charades on new laws to handle illegal immigration? All we need to do is enforce our currnet laws on the books and watch the problem of incessant massive illegal immigration cease.

We must though build the border fence (like yesterday) in order to make our current laws more effective. Once we do this then we simply enforce our current laws, which are:

1) Place heavy fines and jail sentences to employers who hire illegals.

2) Stop ALL state or federal benefits and programs used by illegals.

3) Eliminate sanctuary cities like Los Angeles, whereby Federal grants are frozen until they cooperate with Federal laws.

4) Use Federal, State and local authorities to aggresively arrest gang members who are here illegally.

5) Random and constant deportation raids of various sites where illegals congregate, including industrial work sites, Home Depots, etc...

These simple measures and steps that we have not done in over 30 years would put s stop to any new waves of illegal aliens trying to enter the U.S.

Moreover, contrary to popular and erroneous belief that we cannot deport
12 million illegals ( the number is much closer to 25 million), we wont have to.

By cutting off the incentives to come here and stay here, and by making it virtually impossible to go under the radar, many (if not the overwhelming number) of them will go back on their own.

Self deportation is what I call it. It will work. We just have to put our feet down and force our elected officials to do the will of the people and enforce our immigration laws. It's that simple.

John wrote on Mar 26, 2008 12:41 PM:This most likely will not happen until we get redistricting corrected. The last proposition failed because it was poorly done and pushed with other propositions. We need to redistrict and we need to get another proposition out there and do it right this time around. Then you will see a change in illeagle aliens here sucking us dry.

History wrote on Mar 26, 2008 1:44 PM:Let's look at our History. Immigratiion has always occured and once again we are repeating history. I am Mexican and first generation and we are asked to come in when needed and asked to leave when we are not needed. However, tell me who works at the min wage jobs like construction, restuarants, landscaping, and agriculture...illegal aliens who come to work and hurt no one and have the same rights that everyone else has under the 14th amendment. That is why I love our wonderful constitution. SO stop complaining and take care of more important business. Our ecomony is not bad due to illegal immigration our ecomony has worsen due to the descision of our great political leader that have screwed us over so rather then looking at who to point fingers at lets look at who is running our government and start there.

Ron wrote on Mar 26, 2008 1:55 PM:Tribal member...you are welcome. But don't thank me, you got a much better deal than I would have afforded you.

"Genocide" Not sure how "Wow" came up with that one. Must be a Democrat or a liberal.

Karl wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:07 PM:To "Sigh @ 11:40 AM: You state "Illegals will do a job an american would not do without a complaint". I say hogwash. While this may be the case in some jobs is isn't the case in all jobs. A good carpenter could earn 22 to 25 dollars an hour in 1990. Today top wage is 10 to 12 dollars with the exception of union carpenters. Now why do you suppose wages have benn lowered so drastically? You guessed it Einstein, illegal immigrants. This problem is found throughout most construction trades.

I believe Edward Sifuentes not you!!!! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:08 PM:If Edward says its 3 million than it is 3 million and I agree let them live in peace, even if there 100 million they still have the right to live in peace.

Sigh wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:22 PM:Well if more americans would do the jobs for minimum wage instead of only wanting the high paying less hard labor jobs then they would stop coming here to work because there would be no job openings. But no here again the goverment hands out money to the people who sit at home and have kids and buy food with food stamps and the next day take cash to buy an expensive name brand coat while I work my butt off to pay taxes and support my kid ( just like the illegals are doing ) and I don't get to buy nice clothes I go to the good will! and who ever said that illegals have the nice clothes and nice things where the heck are you looking I see them living in roach infested apts over crowded and working there butt off to take care of there family and they have not complained in so long. Have you seen the places were people on assistants are living? nice places new places! the whole economy is messed up! instead of worrying about illegals fix the system!!!

UNKNOWN wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:28 PM:Lets say I break into your house. Lets say that when you discover me in your house, you insist that i leave. But i say, "Iv'e made all the beds and washed the dishes and did the laundry and swept the floors; i've done all the things you dont like to do. I'm hard working and honest (expcet for when i broke into your house).
According to the protesters, not only must you let me stay, you must add me to your family's insurance plan, educate my kids, and provide other benefits to me and to my family (my husband will do your yard work because he too is hard working and honest, except for that breaking in part). If you try to call the police or force me out, i will call my friends who will picket your house carrying signs that proclaim my right to be there. Its only fair, after all, because you have a nicer house than i do, and i'm just trying to better myself. I'm hard working and honest, um, except for well, you know.
And what a deal it is for me!!! I live in your house, contributing only a fraction of the cost of my keep, and there is nothing you can do about it without being accused of selfishness, prejudice and being an anti-housebreaker. Oh yeah, and i want you to learn my language so you can communicate with me.
Why cant people se how ridiculous this is. Only in America...

To "Unknown" wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:41 PM:Lets say it was MY house originally. Lets say I'm just moving back into it. You are welcome to stay with me. But leave me alone and let me do the work you are unwilling to do. The house will be better for it.

To Edward wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:44 PM:How tacky having your students blogging in your defense. This is as bad as Hillbilly stacking the questions.

To Unknown soon we will know as we are known!!!! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:49 PM:I do see how ridiculous your analogy is!!!! Totally not applicable. Same old poop different day. Only in America.

To: I believe Edward Sifuentes not you!!!! wrote on Mar 26, 2008 2:56 PM:And ed s. has a million dollars he wants to give you too.
How exactly does ed have his figures, do each and everyone of them check in with him to see how they can abuse our benefits.
We know for a fact that illegals create a great strain on our resources, not only monetarily but also in the education area.
As for young men and women not wanting to take washing car jobs or mowing the lawns, how do you know they wouldn't take them they never have had a chance to do them.
Do you think we are not paying $6.00 for tomatoes now, all the freebies these illegals get, their cheap labor aint so cheap.
All these laws already on the books need to be followed and enforced.

Suzy wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:00 PM:Ah the haters in So Cal. I so don't miss you. What a bunch of hippocrates. On the one hand you want "them" all out and on the other hand you use (exploit) their labor for so many things from yard work, contruction work, food service workers, nannies, housekeepers, warehouse help, retail clerks, AGRICULTURAL workers and on and on. STOP hiring them and they will go home. No Jobs, no money. This double standard is so rampant in So Cal and the Central Valley it's ridiculous.

dfm wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:08 PM:Unknown is right on the mark.

Period wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:18 PM:It is rather obvious that our “elected” officials are not going to secure the border or deport the illegal-aliens. Since illegals do not pay taxes and ultimately consume many resources that legal citizens have paid for, how do we even the playing field? I say that we should dissolve property and income taxes. We institute a higher sales tax, around 30 %, so that all people living in this state are pulling their weight. This will also encourage Americans to save, a side benefit. This higher sales tax would encourage many to self deport.

To Sigh, From American Indian wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:26 PM:Double your comment 10 time +.

Fix the system angry people! Don't get mad at the people staying in america illegally, fix the system!

I too have known of people who forget to go back on thier visas, from other coutnries than just mexico....

It doesn't matter if majority of people are gripping that the illegals are doing jobs lazy americans won't do....which is somehow true, but I give kuddos for those illegals getting off thier duff to make ends meet.

But I have also seen some of the illegal people totally into the material side of america...which is sad, but we do have the roach infested life style of these people too.

I am confused when people say it is the illegals right to the 14th amendment when the illegal is not here legally. And that is why I don't feel sorry for the ones living in roach infested life because there are other illegals not living that way...

A person has a choice no one is forcing them to live this way. Because others live a healthy life, and plus if the SYSTEM worked the ones living a roach life could actually get help from government, the taxes go to???

ITS THE SYSTEM, and guess what- It was all voted in by us... LOL.. ironic.

To Unknown wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:33 PM:Humorous analogy, but you have it partially right. What you fail to realize is that there is a family that lives in the house - a father, a mother, and a few kids. Now, the father and mother understands that the housebreaker is there illegaly, but it agrees that there is value and merit in what the housebreaker does, so it knowingly looks away. After all, the father and mother can't seem to get all the kids on the same page when it comes to helping around the house (probably an excessive allowance). Now, some of the kids are OK with this, but this one kids is screaming his head off saying that there are housebreakers in the house, stealing all his stuff, taking his chores away, and robbing him of his inheritance! The parents simply look down at the kid and say "No, you have it wrong - you simply don't understand - go back to your room". So the parents are the government - the other kids are the rest of the country going about their business (oh wait, they're "open borders" people) - and the complaining kid is, well, you know who he is.

To Suzy wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:35 PM:Totally Right! But if you felt your monies could help feed a persons child that night you wouldn't hire them?

I would feel its the right thing to do- you think people should give a crap about the laws....open your eyes people most laws are made with loopholes so some politician/business person can fill thier pockets....duh...America is all about how many can we get on the market with the least amount of payroll going out... why do you think this topic is not resolved? ah ah ah,

But I myself see a person trying to make ends meet, make it in a place and my heart opens for them.

On the other hand, I have had a vehicle hit by an illegal...and that is hard to face when we take care of them, but they give no concern to taking care of the americans who feed, & cloth them, like "bitting the hand that feeds ya"...That is what gets me. And I am torn between the good ones who stay out of trouble and lay low working hard for a better life, but don't like the "bad" ones taking advantage...but its just politics on some lower level right? LOL

Fair is Fair wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:53 PM:my friend immigrated to the US when she was 9. Her father came first to work to save up money so he could provide for them before they came over. She was from Poland so not everything was in her language and she had to learn English. Seems like a novel idea nowdays. When a job opened in a different department that required bi-lingual she put in for it but was told that Polish didn't count only Spanish. Talk about unfair. If they would come from Mexico legally and pay their way and learn the language as my friend did, I'd not problems with them being here. But all the take, take TAKE. And it is my daughter in 3rd grade that suffers because education funding is cut to pay for other things.

question wrote on Mar 26, 2008 3:58 PM:"His bill would require police to contact immigration authorities when a person suspected of being an illegal immigrant is arrested for driving under the influence."


So what have they been doing this whole time???

Maybe time to go after wrote on Mar 26, 2008 4:43 PM:the slave masters and demand higher wages for Americans. LOS ANGELES — A team of state inspectors strode into the Blue Wave Car Wash past latte-sipping customers and into the gritty carwash tunnel. "Cuanto gana usted?" the inspectors asked about 20 Hispanic workers. "How much do you make?"
Each "carwashero" responded that he earned minimum wage or more — just as the owner of the Blue Wave had told the inspectors. Looking over payroll records, however, the regulators became suspicious. Employees who said they were full time were working just 10 or 15 hours a week. Inspector Martha Mendoza ushered Juan Cruz Santiago, 41, away from the others. He admitted that he and his 66-year-old father worked for tips only. So did nearly half the other immigrant employees, he said, for at least six years. "It's bad," the Oaxacan immigrant whispered to Mendoza. "Other carwashes are the same, no?" Many are.

sqiggly wrote on Mar 26, 2008 5:40 PM:To 'not racist, huh?" No where did 'sick of it' state that the illegals are hispanic...you are assuming that's what the posting meant....so I can assume, you are in agreement with 'Sick of it'.....

What wrote on Mar 26, 2008 5:40 PM:Well now that I think about it we are going to have a bigger problem on our hands with undocumented workers.They to will feel the sting of an economy going down. The day laborers rely on contruction whether it be private homeowners or licensed contractors and that is going away. If you look at your fruits and vegtables lately they are not grown in the U.S. - ouch. A lot of homes are in foreclosure so no need to landscape them or clean them. No more money for the expensive auto detailing. They may start to self deport on their own when it gets worse. Oh by the way tribal member you may see the decline in people throwing their money away at the casinos.

Beth wrote on Mar 26, 2008 6:31 PM:To all who say "it's a federal issue", I say No ITS A TAXPAYER's ISSUE

To Rios is a Buffoon wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:06 PM:The reason why California is being desecrated is because of our misguided legislators. They pass laws that cause the population to decrease. This results in less money for education, public safety, etc. We need to make the entire western hemisphere one country. Doing so would eliminate the illegal immigration issue.

Illegal Workers Not Needed Here wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:16 PM:The construction boom is over. See this article: 'New Home Sales Drop to 13-Year Low'. www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/03/26/ap/headlines/d8vlac786.txt 'The worst slump in more than two decades has not run its course, analysts said'. There is no more 'surplus' work here. The illegal migrant workers should migrate elsewhere, preferrably back to where they came from. If they do not migrate away, then the claim that illegal worker just migrate here to work, are only attracted here by jobs, etc, is just a big lie!

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 26, 2008 7:56 PM:Its all the mexicans fault...wah!....instead of wasting resources chasing out working illegals, might consider going after terrorist, drug smugglers and rehabilatating drug addicts....what a waste of resources to placate the hate of the xenophobes.

Karl wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:46 PM:Right on Beth. Short and to the point.

Mexican Xenophobia wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:46 PM:Since 1917, the Mexican Constitution (article 27) prohibits direct ownership of real estate by foreigners in what has come to be known as the 'restricted zone'. The restricted zone encompasses all land located within 100 kilometers (about 62 miles) of any Mexican border, and 50 kilometers (about 31 miles) of any Mexican coastline. Originally the 'restricted zone' was created to protect Mexico from foreign invasion. A fideicomiso (Mexican bank land trust) is not anywhere near actual ownership. Mexico, by restricting Americans wanting to reside and own property in Mexico, reveals its extreme xenophobia. Further, Americans visiting or residing in Mexico are denied basic rights! Mexico's constitution expressly forbids Americans from participating in Mexico's political affairs. Article 33 clearly states: 'Foreigners may not in any way participate in the political affairs of the country.' Americans are forbidden from participating in demonstrations or express opinions in public about politics while in Mexico. Article 9 states, 'The right to assemble or associate peaceably for any lawful purpose cannot be restricted; but only citizens of the Republic may do so to take part in the political affairs of the country.' Mexico must be taught that its xenophobic policies are corrosive, stupid, and will no longer be tolerated.

Karl wrote on Mar 26, 2008 8:50 PM:Roberto1 @ 7:56 PM, I'm a xenophobe because I want our immigration laws enforced? So I guess that if I want rape laws enforced I'm a xenorapephobe?

John wrote on Mar 26, 2008 9:37 PM:Hey Roberto1, you say you go to China or somewhere overseas. Let me ask you, do you have a passport or do you just hop on the plane without your documents in order? I bet you wouldn't get real far.
Wanting laws obeyed and enforced is in no way being xenophobic. Just because mexico is on the border with us doesn't mean they don't need proper documentation.

Wayne wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:45 PM:It is amazing the volume and the one sidedness of these comments. Why won't our elected "leaders" do what the OVERWELMING amount of tax payers want done. I truely understand it's much easier to write a letter to the editor than making a kind (in most cases) human leave. The problem is with all the "hand outs". We need more workers (and tax payers) to pay for the "burden" all the pentioners are putting on the state and the avererage caucasion American with ther 1.2 children just ain't cutting it.

Wayne wrote on Mar 26, 2008 10:53 PM:It is amazing the volume and the one sidedness of these comments. Why won't our elected "leaders" do what the OVERWELMING amount of tax payers want done. I truely understand it's much easier to write a letter to the editor than making a kind (in most cases) human leave. The problem is with all the "hand outs". We need more workers (and tax payers) to pay for the "burden" all the pentioners are putting on the state and the average caucasion American with ther 1.2 children just ain't cutting it.

To John wrote on Mar 26, 2008 11:20 PM:The only documentation that a foreigner needs is a driver's license from his or her country. When that expires, he or she must get a California license. Our vehicle code overrides the immigration laws. Yeah that's right, they can roll right on in.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 27, 2008 7:00 AM:Sneaking around working...big deal! terrorism, war, budget leaks etc...is much more important.

To To John wrote on Mar 27, 2008 7:54 AM:Mexico's Drivers Licenses don't expire, that is why we must fix the problem in DMV. These people need to be tested on the rules of the road like everybody else.

All about business wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:13 AM:Our political "leaders" are either business people or have close ties to business people. As long as they can benefit from the sub-minimum wage labor provided by illegals, they WILL NOT pass any laws that will interfer with their enterprise.

Lou wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:15 PM:As an Immigrant from Portugal who came here legally, and assimilated and beacme a citizen,I am appaled that our elected officila refuse to do anything about the illegal alien issue. I for one, do not confuse the diference between being an ileagal alien and an immigrant.

I am an immigrant, those who snuck acoss the border and were not inspected and admitted by an immigration officer, or who overstayed their visas, are ilegal aliens!

To Lou, From C'mon! wrote on Mar 27, 2008 2:46 PM:Thank you for showing that immigrants like us are disgusted with the govt. policy towards illegal immigration..."DO NOTHING".

The key word you used was "assimilate". In other words, become an AMERICAN 100%. You came here and fought like hell for your place like my family. We cam here for the AMERICAN dream.

To To Rios wrote on Mar 27, 2008 3:22 PM:The only American who would benefit from the NAU is the unethical, anti American slob who is already providing ONLY slave labor to illegal aliens. The NAU, like the NWO obvioulsy wants to divide the entire world into the haves and the have nots. I personally do not want to work for slave wages, nor do I want that for my children and grandchildren. You think there will be any capitalist democracy when the NAU takes place, think again. Mexico is a corrupt, violent cesspool that has caused it's people to flee in droves and you want to comingle? What reason could you possibly have, for that?

Lou wrote on Mar 27, 2008 3:25 PM:As an Immigrant from Portugal who came here legally, assimilated and became a citizen of this great country. I for one, know the diference between being an ilegal alien and being an immigrant. I served this country for 22 years in the US Navy, and I am appaled that our elected officials refuse to do anything about the illegal alien issue.

I am an immigrant, those who snuck acoss the border and were not inspected and admitted by an immigration officer, or who overstayed their visas, are ilegal aliens!

It makes no diference what country you came from, or what color your skin is, you are here ilegally. You DO NOT have the same rights as I do, and if you would like to enjoy the same rights as I do, go back to whatever country you came from, apply for a VISA, come back legally, become a legal resident, assimilate into the american culture, and become a citizen. Then you can enjoy the same rights as I do. If you are not willing to do all that, andd do it legally, then just go back, and stay there, because you are NOT welcome here!

Lou wrote on Mar 27, 2008 3:30 PM: I for one, know the diference between being an ilegal alien and being an immigrant. I served this country for 22 years in the US Navy. I AM AN AMERICAN from Porguese ancestry. I am proud of my heritage, but I AM AN AMERICAN!

It makes no diference what country you came from, or what color your skin is, if you were not admitted, you are here ilegally. You DO NOT have the same rights as I do, and if you would like to enjoy the same rights as I do, go back to whatever country you came from, apply for a VISA, come back legally, become a legal resident, assimilate into the american culture, and become a citizen. Then you can enjoy the same rights as I do. If you are not willing to do all that, and do it legally, then just go back, and stay there, because you are NOT welcome here!

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 27, 2008 8:21 PM:It must being really difficult being so anal about people sneaking around working....get a grip on life and reality.

Jose wrote on Mar 27, 2008 9:05 PM:No just anal about our tax dollars being given away to Non-Americans. This IS life and reality. We need to protect it.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:57 AM:Ahh...the ole people sneaking around working and I'm paying for it...I wonder if the S.S., property taxes, sales tax people know anything about this.

Question for Roberto1 wrote on Mar 28, 2008 8:27 AM:Who's funding your campaign of denial and distraction?

3800+ messages on this article.

The citizens are pissed and finally growing so tired of this problem that they are about to fire back. "The sleeping giant will awaken".

The tide is changing Roberto1.

Secure the border wrote on Mar 28, 2008 9:29 AM:PLEASE!!!
Lou totally agree with you/.

Families wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:49 PM:My husband came here illegally to protect himself from being killed by MS because he would not join them he was never shown what papers to get to file for asylum or anything else and if you he can not work how can he get the 1,200.00 for a lawyer plus he has me and a one year old, what do we do if he files papers not only do we have to come up with money for a lawyer they want to send my babies daddy back for ten years but yet I won't get help with my child. You can not help who you fall in love with and if I could have changed the way he came here I would but now to FIX it I have to be without him for ten years? there needs to be a better system yes, send the drug dealers, gang bangers and no goods back but help the hard working family oriented people get legal there is no way to do this without paying thousands of dollars and separating families!!! again fix the system. We all have made this country poor not just illegals everyone, we should stop pointing fingers, heck we send so much money to war and it goes on and on! Instead of fixing Iraq help the job situation in Mexico they want to work and want help.

dave from oceanside wrote on Mar 28, 2008 12:52 PM:Lou, my sentiments exactly!

To Families wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:49 PM:Not our problem. Did you marry him knowing he was illegal, if so your fault not ours. If I am going to mail a women from another country I am going to make sure she can stay here.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 28, 2008 6:27 PM:"Who's funding your campaign of denial and distraction? "


REPLY: You sound silly....lol!, Again spoke about people who sneak around working and their contributions ...you on the other hand: Peck-peck-peck, the sky is falling! squack! on your computer and nothing new....people who work and especially work hard have my respect and support...you on the other hand hope to export what creates the creame on the top of the milk, throw the baby out with the bath water and don't have a clue what your talking about.

this is what i dont understand wrote on Mar 28, 2008 9:21 PM:Why are so many businesses plastered with spanish writing everywhere, and sort of a "taste of home" feeling that I get when I'm in Mexico? I'm still pretty young, maybe an older resident can clear this up for me? Were busineses ever translated into spanish before, years ago? Or news channels (NBC for example), pennysavers, etc. Today for example. New Best Buy open in Encinitas, inside you have the big signs informing what section you are in. "COMPUTERS" "TELEVISIONS" and under it in smaller text is "computadoras" "televciones"....??? Why is this? Why should a person who speaks zero english be able to thrive here? You go to a bank nowadays, and their bilingual teller is almost always occupied. Now maybe they prefer to speak spanish because it is their native tounge, but they do know english. Okay...fine. But it just seems like this type of stuff is popping up more and more, gradually, and after a while people go, where the heck did all this come from? Another thing I dont understand is the Green Border Patrol vans. I used to see them ALL THE TIME when i was maybe 10-12 years old. They would stop by a populated corner with "day laborers" at them, and grab a few, and then be on there way. This was twice a day this would happen. Where have they gone? *NCT MOD I see nothing offensive to this post - please submit*

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 29, 2008 8:47 AM:Golly, you live 25 miles plus or minus from the Mexican border and don't know?
The banks are not sibsidized by the giverment and can use any language they choose along with your chice not to bank there....and I see the same signs in english at home depot, walmart etc. in Mexico.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Mar 29, 2008 11:01 AM:Bravo to Lou. And 'Families' your problem isn't our problem. No, the country is not 'one big happy family' with open arms to illegal aliens, whatever their circumstances. The whole world has borders now. As for 'Fed-Up' I totally agree with you. Illegal aliens are enjoying too many benefits here that their own country doesn't provide. Who pays? We do, the hard-working, taxpaying citizens. Our schools are chocked full of children who either came here illegally or their parents did, and the API's certainly reflect a problem. Our jails and prisons are full of Latinos, especially here in California. Our healthcare system is on the brink of bankruptcy because illegal aliens are using our hospitals and emergency rooms as their primary source of medical care, and to deliver anchor-babies all paid for by the taxpayers. And, these anchor-babies are eligible for social assistance once they are born. Mexico's poverty rate is around 45 percent. Any kind of immigration reform is amnesty, and poor Mexican will be running for the border at break-neck speed to get in here to get in under the wire. Latinos commit a disproportionate amount of crime here in California. Just go to any major law enforcement's 'Most Wanted' link and you can see for yourself. I've done the research and it is thoroughly appalling. Look at the gang problems in our inner cities. The time is now to stop expecting our federal government to handle the immigration problem alone. We need to empower our state and local governments to help with illegal immigration. We need to remove the incentives for illegal aliens to come here. We need to repeal Section 1 of the 14th Amendment (ratified in 1868) which was meant for the children of emancipated slaves, not illegal aliens. There are groups such as NCLR (National Council of La Raza), MEChA, et.al which are bent on opening the border and reconquista (taking back of the American southwest by the people of Aztlan). If you are a concerned citizen of this great nation, you can get involved and support legislation aimed at stemming illegal immigration.

Everybody should be wrote on Mar 29, 2008 1:14 PM:aware that with people losing their jobs at an alarming rate, it won't be long before Americans are going to come to blows with illegals and their employers. A case in point, a friend of mine recently lost a very good paying job in computer programming so in order to make ends meet he went back to the painting trade. Needless to say no one had openings and most all were filled by illegal aliens. My friend had contacted an attorney who in turn contacted the proper Federal officals, now these employers are not only looking at criminal charges but also severe civil charges. As my friend told me when this is over he probably won't have to work another day in his life.

I Agree with everybody should be wrote on Mar 29, 2008 2:47 PM:If I ever apply at a place and they turn me down and they have illegals working there, you better believe I'm going to get the Federal official there and get a lawyer. I might just go ahead and do it for fun. Employers beware, we Americans want our jobs back.

Roberto1 wrote on Mar 29, 2008 5:01 PM:to your friend willprobably never have to work another day in his life after suing an employer who wouldn't hire him because he hired illegal aliens...ya made that up, didn't you..lol!

Everyone wrote on Apr 14, 2008 5:52 AM:its about time!!!