Manager: Car was backing up as shots fired in Oceanside parking lot
By DAN SIMMONS - Staff Writer | ∞
OCEANSIDE ---- Shooting victim Rachel Silva's car was backing out of a parking spot when five gunshots rang out from another car over a four-second span, according to a gas station manager who's seen the surveillance video from the March 15 incident.
Other than that, the tape didn't reveal much, he said.
"All you can do is confirm the vehicle's movement and the sound of gunfire," said Jose Torres, 41, manager at a Shell gas station adjacent to the shooting site, a Lowe's Home Improvement store parking lot at 155 Old Grove Road.
He wasn't working the night it happened, but saw a video from the store's surveillance camera ---- about 50 yards from the scene ---- the next morning and has viewed it multiple times since.
Torres showed the footage to a TV news crew on Friday but didn't give them a copy, he said. Oceanside police have denied repeated media requests for more information about the incident, including tapes of the 911 calls made during the incident.
Torres said that at the time the shooting took place ---- 9 p.m. on a Saturday ---- the Lowe's parking lot is typically "very busy."
"There are witnesses, you just have to find them," he said.
The shooter was off-duty San Diego Police Department Officer Frank White, who has been with the department for two years and has been placed on paid administrative leave.
The altercation left Silva, 27, with two gunshot wounds to her arm and her son, 8-year-old Johnny Silva, with a gunshot wound to the leg. Both were hospitalized and have since been released.
Oceanside police have said that the confrontation began when the driver of one car cut off the driver of the other car, and that one driver followed the other to the parking lot where the shooting took place.
No one has been charged. Torres said his station has been abuzz with talk of the incident.
"The consensus is, why did (White) point the gun at the boy?" said Torres, who has seven kids. "What bothers me is (police investigators) are trying to put her in a negative light. Everyone has a past that doesn't match with the present."
Contact staff writer Dan Simmons at (760) 740-5426 or dsimmons@nctimes.com.
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Nadine wrote on Apr 5, 2008 6:42 AM:We need to rise up and form a neighborhood group to fight this type of parking lot violence!!!!Its the only road I know........
Double Standard? wrote on Apr 5, 2008 8:34 AM:If this was an average citizen the information would not be protected, it would be all over the news. Obviously the Oceanside police will not be able to hide the results of the investigation, but it could be weeks before we have any information on this issue when the off duty San Diego cop invokes his police officer bill of rights protection.
Torres is wrong wrote on Apr 5, 2008 8:42 AM:This is why OPD hasn't said anything. Mr. Torres made a comment "What bothers me is (police investigators) are trying to put her in a negative light. Everyone has a past that doesn't match with the present." According to all news accounts the police haven't said anything so how can Mr. Torres say such a thing, because he believes what he reads and hears on the news. NC Times has turned into a tabloid, next thing you know Brittney Spears was in the car. Mr. Torres, next time wait for facts not rumors, speculation or gossip, you got your 15 minutes of fame.
Litl Bits wrote on Apr 5, 2008 9:35 AM:Let's hear BOTH sides....like the "victim's" past record....and her breatholizer results!
Alan wrote on Apr 5, 2008 9:41 AM:And this off-duty cop is on paid leave with my tax dollars! Disgusting. The Oceanside police knew all this the first night, why are they covering up for a rogue San Diego policeman anyway? Any of us civilians would be sitting in jail awaiting two attempted murder trials if we shot from our vehicle into another vehicle. No excuse!!!
RG wrote on Apr 5, 2008 10:28 AM:The gas station manager said Silva's car was backing when the shots were fired. Seems I have read elsewhere that White fired through her windshield. Doesn't sound like he was about to run down. Sad we have to hear from a gas station manager rather than OPD.
Bo wrote on Apr 5, 2008 11:11 AM:"Everybody has a past that doesn't match the present". I resemble that remark! I like the way you think Mr. Torres!!
To Litl Bits wrote on Apr 5, 2008 12:40 PM:We already know her past record and I would images the tox results will be posted soon ... especially if they show she was intoxicated. If they show she was sober it may take a little longer. As interesting as either scenario could be, I'd be equally as interested in knowing the results of the officer's tox test. Oh wait ... that's right ... they didn't test him so I guess we'll never know the truth of his condition that night so BOTH sides will always be in question.
RG wrote on Apr 5, 2008 1:12 PM:Looking more and more like White will have a hard time claiming self-defense.
To Litl Bits wrote on Apr 5, 2008 1:22 PM:We've already been told she was driving on a suspended license and has 2 DUI's on her record. Oh, yeah, and she's divorced! What more of her past record do you want? If her breath test comes back as sober what will you then want to hang her with? And if it comes back drunk will you say she deserved being shot?
jimmy wrote on Apr 5, 2008 5:28 PM:intoxicated? and you don't think that after 3 weeks that "if" she was under the influ. that that news would of not already been released. You bet it would of,,, one way or another it would of gotten out. And what does that have to do with shooting someone- nothing.
Cop is going DOWN
BUCK wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:51 AM:The fact is the video doesn't lie. If the video shows that the cop was shooting at a car moving away from him thats a crime. The facts that we already know the cop should be behind bars. He shot 2 unarmed people through the passenger window and through the windshield.There are multiple crimes committed here attempted murder,discharging a firearm, firing into a vehicle, firing from a vehicle... For all you that think he's innocent. What could Silva could have said or done to be gunned down for?
Roberto1 wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:47 AM:If she's divorced, drunk & has two DUI's this means she deserved to be shot?
jespeach wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:19 AM:There are NO circumstances short of this woman or her son opening fire first (which we know didn't happen) that would even possibly excuse this man firing FIVE shots into a car with a child in it. That's the bottom line.
jespeach wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:25 AM:I am stunned that there is not more of an uproar. First of all, this man used the color fo the law to satisfy his road rage. Being an off duty cop does NOT give him special priveleges. Second of all, HE OPENED FIRE ON A CHILD. What possible excuse could there be? People are discussing whether or not she's divorced? WHO CARES? Was she drunk? I don't know...but even is her BAC was .15, it wouldn't excuse this alleged peace officer's actions. Stop letting the OPD manipulate you into thinking about things that don't matter, and start paying attention to the one fact they cannot deny or justify: HE SHOT A KID. What if it was YOURS?
Peter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 4:57 AM:Whether items about Silva’s past came from police sources or a misuse of public records I wonder why information about White and his wife hasn’t come out? Of course OPD and SDPD won’t release anything, but I’m surprised the media hasn’t dug into White’s past. At three weeks, if the officer was justified there would have been plenty of spin to indicate that, the longer this goes on the more it reeks of cover-up. Has the U.S. Attorney in San Diego not noticed this case?
Gerald wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:49 AM:This is why I moved my family out of California. Drunk, divorced, whatever her past was, she and her son don't deserve 5 gunshots from SDPD. If this had been anyone but a cop, the charges would be filed by now.
BB wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:01 AM:This could have happened any where in the world, you can't leave California and expect this behavior not to be where you are...It's where you are maybe you just don't know about it. We can't run from sin. This world is going to hell in a "basket" unless we all repent and give our lives to "Jesus Christ".
Mr. White, I am praying, you are some where asking God to forgive you for your actions, as I am praying for Ms. Silva and her son to a full recovery and there salvation as well.
Retired USN wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:05 AM:The deafening silence from OPD and SDPD on the White shooting only fuels the speculations that OPD is in cahoots with the SDPD in covering up the incident. They claim about the rights of this rogue officer BUT what about the rights of Silva and her son TO BE SAFE??? That being said, isn't it the job of the police to ensure her safety?
No matter how one look at it, it appears that the OPD is cooking some excuse in to justify their botched investigation and covering it up. Hello OPD????
Soos wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:20 AM:"Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story."
As much as the ODP want to justify this cop firing 5 shots at a woman and child, it is getting harder and harder to believe. The facts are:
- This officer is getting preferential treatment. If a citizen shot at a car, they would have been tested for drugs & alcohol, held and released on bail pending charges.
- If this woman was driving eratically, a uniformed officer should have been called and, if charged, she has her day in court. This officer either took the law into his own hands or got caught up in a road rage situation. Either way, he used poor judgement.
- The secrecy and handling of this case is an affront to its citizens. This crime did not occur behind closed doors. It happened in a public parking lot, on the very streets police are supposed to protect.
- The longer questions remain unanswered, the more public distrust will grow.
JudgeNJury wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:41 AM:Nice to see the self-appointed judge and jury of the NCT's forum has reached its verdict on the basis of what one guy says about a videotape that he admits doesn't show much.
White's story provides justification for his actions. The physical evidence does too. It might be contradicted by Silva's story, but we don't know, because she's not willing to tell investigators what happened. Gee, I wonder why that is?
I know... it's because her version so strongly supports her innocence that she's afraid the OPD officers will be heartbroken that an SDPD officer was in the wrong. Yup, that's why her lawyer won't let her talk... absolutely.
OPD isn't going to hand over the evidence before the charges are filed because it gives her a chance to change her story to match the evidence. White spoke without knowing what the evidence showed, why do you suppose Silva won't?
All her silence is going to accomplish is that the DA's office is going to make its charging decision based solely on White's version of the incident.
But, hey, don't let reality intrude in your little anti-cop hate fest. Rave on!
anotherview wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:49 AM:The NCT continues to exercise low journalistic standards, here by creating a misleading impression, to wit: "Oceanside police have denied repeated (news) media requests for more information about the incident." Of course, the police now have an ongoing investigation to gather factual material regarding this officer-involved shooting. The police have denied nothing, but instead have declined to release information until completion of this investigation. On this point, the NCT irresponsibly fails to note or heed this public, written statement from the district attorney for San Diego County: “we have a legal and ethical duty not to release any information that could jeopardize a potential prosecution.” Moreover, this statement says, “we will not rush to judgment about the guilt or innocence of either party involved -- and neither should the public.” The exercising of news media patience for sound reasons would serve the rights of the involved individuals; and would stop enflaming the reading public. Yet, as a moneymaking enterprise, the NCT apparently views its self-serving efforts to develop a story to further its business interests as superior to the sensible law and policy governing such matters. Shame on the NCT for seeming to pit itself against the process of justice.
To JudgeNJury wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:58 AM:VIDEO ... not all telling, but certainly curious that Silva's car is seen backing away as shots were fired. It's hard to make the argument that you were in fear of being run over (thus shooting at the windshield) while the car is backing away from you. WHITE'S STORY PROVIDES JUSTIFICATION ... please be more specific. PHYSICAL EVIDENCE ... considering the only real 'phyical evidence' that has been out forth is the description of the video & the scene diagram on the UT, a little clarification would be useful here as well. WHY WON'T SHE TALK ... because, while she's made plenty of mistakes in her life, she's smart enough to know that a) you get a lawyer before speaking to police and b) you don't hire a lawyer then not take his advice. LAWYER ... he doesn't yet know if she's told him the truth or not and he's being denied access to things that would help him establish that. He's doing the right thing by keeping her quiet at this point. WHY WHITE SPOKE ... he didn't need to wait to speak because he was surrounded by police support and legal counsel. CHARGES BASED ON WHITE'S VERSION ... now that's just stupid. Criminal charges are not brought because of somebody's story of events, they're brought because the evidence says they need to be brought. Charges will be filed in this case based on what the evidence eventually shows whether Silva ever talks or not. ... Now there's some REALITY into the anti-stupid behavior that demands accountability fest.
alfredo wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:02 AM:This off duty cop's behavior, in Oceanside, is one more good reason why off duty officers should not be allowed to carry their weapons while at the Fair in Del Mar.
loco760 wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:23 AM:JudgeNJury
[-] wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:41 AM:
White's story provides justification for his actions.
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Where can I read White's story that I assume has been released by the police?
Floyd wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:38 AM:This women has made some mistakes in life welcome to the club lady. She has also been victimized by the system... She doesn't have the back up looking after her like this young officer has looking out for him. By this time even the jack boot thugs have to agree that this guy's life wasn't in danger.
loco760 wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:39 AM:JudgeNJury
[-] wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:41 AM:
Nice to see the self-appointed judge and jury of the NCT's forum has reached its verdict on the basis of what one guy says about a videotape that he admits doesn't show much.
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Huh? The NCT is simply exercising it's journalistic right granted to all under the First Amendment.
It doesn't show much because White - and as many here fear - just went overboard with his Dirty Harry impression. That police could and are prone to excessive force is a bonafide fact.
Perhaps you could knock on White's front door and interview his wife for her side of the story? And while your at it tape your interview with her and we can compare that to the gas stations manager's video.
Go ahead...make my day.
Let's change the way police conduct their investigation wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:19 AM:I'm neutral until all the facts come out. However, for those people who want OPD to release details of this investigation at all cost, I'll tell you this....
If one of your family members is murder (God forbid) and let's say Chula Vista PD has a good idea who the suspect is, would like for CVPD to release all the details and evidence? common sense NO!
I don't know about but someone if claiming to be a victim of an incident like this, I wouldn;t want them to get the city money (my tax dollars) just because she was a "mom" she better has some proof she was the victim.
Censorship wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:47 AM:LOCO760- you say, "Huh? The NCT is simply exercising it's journalistic right granted to all under the First Amendment."
Yes the NCT likes to cry foul when they are censured but how about when community posts comments on the NCT blog? The NCT is quick to censure! How hypocritical!!!
I think I will read and stick with the San Diego Union at least the UNION TRIB. respects and understands first amendment rights.
While the NCT panders to politicians, OPD and teachers unions.
Grump wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:50 AM:To Judge-n-Jury, "anti-cop hate fest" please. It is obvious you carry a brass pass and the cops can do no wrong attitude you display is what got White in trouble in the first place. Bottom line, this shooting should have never happened, if the car was moving away from White as it sounds, the "I was in fear for my life defense" will not fly. I am just glad White can't shoot, as he should be, otherwise we would have two dead people and an even bigger lawsuit to pay.
To: Let's Change... wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:55 AM:If one of my family members was murdered (God forbid)... I would assume the one who did the shooting would have been arrested after three weeks6...
Sarcasm wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:08 PM:To: 4/5 @ 1:22PM And similar posts, I agree, If folks want to dig deep enough looking for dirt on Silva than try this, I bet she's not a real blond either, so therefore she has something to hide and will probably lie in her statement also. That's what all you (Bring up her past) people sound like. Maby just another reason this "Have Gun Will Travel" had to shoot?
Fed UP wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:13 PM:I believe the "Foley" shooting is the worse case of
miss-justice and coverup I have ever seen! This is running a close second. White will end up the Hero for shooting the scared Mother and her son and like the Coronado Cop, be given a medal for it. I stay out
of Oceanside when I can avoid it. They don't call it a
"Brotherhood" for nothing.
Irrelevant if Victim Speaks wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:19 PM:It is irrelevant that the victim has not given any statements. As someone said above, the cops knew within a few hours what went down based on the EVIDENCE. Skid marks, shell casings, unbiased witness reports and videotapes from Shell gas station. If the victim were killed in this unlawful shooting, then I guess she wouldn't be giving any statements either.
FILE CHARGES AND LET ALL SIDES BE HEARD IN COURT!
Where did it say that wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:07 PM:White feared for his life? Did I miss something? Do we know if the windows in Silva's vehicle were tinted so dark (illegal) that he could not tell who was in the vehicle? If it turns out that White was totally at fault, trust me, he will go to jail. Until then, all this speculation is going nowhere. So everyone just needs to chill.
ignorance is bliss wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:22 PM:people who have no idea how long or what goes into this investigation really believe all the facts were available in "a matter of a couple hours"???? Really and how do you arrive at that conclusion? Because an average movie is only 2 hours long? You get tid bits of info from each source, each with a different view point and perspective. Some see a little bit of one part of an incident. Putting together a total series of events after the fact is not a process that is accomplished in " a coupe of hours" as everyone is crying about. A complete investigation takes months, but then again it adds fuel to ignorant people who don't know any better.
To: Were did it say.... wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:00 PM:"Do we know....?" Talk about speculation. We have all seen news video of Silva's car, Windows are not tinted dark.And in a weak irresponsible attempt to paint Silva as a criminal you tossed in "illegal". Also, If Silva's front window was Illegally tinted as you ask, How could she see out to drive? I say front window because shots were fired in to it as she was backing away.(FACT) Give it up.
Snail's Pace wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:20 PM:The police knew what happened within hours. They move at a snail's pace because they can. Job security.
Oh really ignorance is bliss wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:25 PM:Let me give you a couple of examples, Man attacked at party; police arrest suspect, that happened yesterday.
Man, who suffered minor cuts to his palm, was taken to a hospital for treatment and then to Vista Detention Center where he was booked on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon, that happened March 30.
You see no, "wait for the evidence" in these cases, it is quite apparent that they are pandering to this trigger happy ODO. Weather he is guilty or not he should have been arrested and drug tested, and not being paid.
To: 1:22 PM (insert name here) wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:26 PM:"adds fuel to ignorant people who don't know any better." WOW, How was it for you? How does this Smug, "Im better than every one else" stand work out for you in real life? Do you feel better about yourself now? Good.
To: To were did it say wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:30 PM:Give me a break? Dark tinted windows are illegal. People get cited for it all the time. It is a fix-it-ticket. 26708(a)(1)CVC One can see out but not in. Windsheild, driver side and passenger side cannot be tinted so dark that you cannot see in. I was not speculating, just asking a question.
To: Where did it say that @ 1:07 wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:41 PM:No offense but what else would he say? He has to justify the use of deadly force against an unarmed woman and her child. You can't do that by saying she looked at me funny.
to oh really wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:55 PM:all the cases you cited have one thing in common.. The victim gave the police a statement unlike Silva.
To: To were did...@2:30PM wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:59 PM:From: 2:00PM, You dump more fuel on the fire with this tinted window babble, Then you have the audacity to tell people to Chill, You Give ME a break.
to 2;26 PM wrote on Apr 6, 2008 3:19 PM:you posting adds nothing to the debate, but then again I doubt you have anything really of value to add. I was saying that most people are ignorant as to what it takes to investigate this, much like you probably do. Now how do you feel?
To: To were did... wrote on Apr 6, 2008 3:33 PM:ALSO, "Dark tinted windows are illegal." Good point, Can't see in, OPEN FIRE!!, So I take it you are either a cop or you have had numerous amounts of 26708(a)(1)CVC tickets as only a cop (or want to be)would call them. I'm guessing you are not an "under cover" from your stealthy response? Anyway, Your question WAS in the form of a speculation.
to where did it say wrote on Apr 6, 2008 4:42 PM:Guess what? fearing for his life IS THE ONLY REASON he can use to fire his weapon IN or OUT of uniform!
to Judge and Jury wrote on Apr 6, 2008 4:46 PM:I would hope that the DA also uses physical evidence and not just the officers statement in her decision,but given her track record to date you are probably right.
To Apr 6, 2008 2:55 PM wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:05 PM:We are not ignorant to the fact that it takes longer to conger up some story that counter acts what the actual evidents is. With or without the victims statement.
Oh and by the way those other two incidents didn't have a camera filming them and 911 calls, this case actually has more evidence than just someones statement.
What wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:16 PM:As I read most of these blogs I have to laugh because I am reminded of the old black and white movies like frankenstein where the villagers are coming to the castle at night with their torches and pitchforks demanding that frankenstein come out so they can take care of him in their own sick way. The wheels of justice turn very slowly and the people involved in this unfortunate incident are not going anywhere - so relax and stop demanding that OPD,DA,SDPD, and NCT do a better job it will all work out in time.
To: 3:19PM wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:16 PM:I feel GREAT!,Thanks for asking, I bet I can guess were you work. Take allll the time you need to investigate what I really said than get back to me, No wait, let me help you, My point WAS, Insulting people who do not agree your view of the way things should work is childish at best just like your 2:26PM post. Apparently you were offended by my post or you would not have responded, See now how that works?
esteban wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:38 PM:All [of] you ... are still speculating...you'll never learn.
dg wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:51 PM:If there is a video it will be analyzed to death. They will look at each frame looking to see if there was justification for the shooting. If the victim made even the slightest jesture towards her belt or her inside jacket, the jury will be told see she made a jesture that she was reaching for a gun.
I'm glad the SD police officers I have encountered over the years were professional and did not jump to conclusions or think that I was out to get them.
Paul wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:26 PM:To What @5:16pm Remember all the information that was out immediately after Officers Zeppetella and Bessant were shot.
Soos wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:33 PM:I would like to think we are all on the same side. The side of justice and accountability.
We want the OPD to conduct a thorough TIMELY investigation as to why a cop was involved in an off dity situation that resulted in a woman and child being shot. The only evidence of substance so far is a tape showing the woman's car in reverse as shots were fired. The public hopes that the officer's BAL was tested, as an average citizen would have been. We know he was immediately counseled, questioned, released and continues to receive his full pay. Since this is not the first time an off duty cop has fired on a citizen, we are wondering where is the justice?
Burt wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:51 PM:Usually in a scene like this, the Police, would want the info immediately and would close down the area to onlookers (the public). They need to take photographs of the scene quickly, very early on. They draw diagrams.
Sometimes, some of the Police info gets 'junked up' and is useless. Some of the diagrams they draw may not be accurate. Some of their measurements may be wrong. Sometimes their photos are useless.
The Police are human and make many mistakes at ordinary vehicle (non-criminal) accidents.
Did the Police stay on the scene for several hours carefully looking for shells, looking at tire tracks. Did the Police make certain that the scene was not contaminated.
Or were they yakking and planning what they hoped happened to save the off duty person.
Hopefully Silva's attorney is experienced, sharp, hard working, able to get expert help such as a reconstructionist that can determine who was where when it happened. Attorney will want the expert to examine both vehicles very carefully; inside and outside and top and bottom.
This was a traumatic accident. It happened very fast. It may be difficult for Silva to remember parts. Fear may have overcome Silva. Scared to death because of her child is another possible factor. And, now anxious because of the long arm of the Law that is not always ethical. May feel terrified, too.
Was it traumatic for the 'gunman' and his wife. Possibly and perhaps he actually realized afterwards, too late, that he made a mistake. Or he/they feel they did the right thing. Or they both were too busy talking in the car to know what was really happening.
Politically feel that Dumanis will not believe any scientific fact(s) that an expert (or experts) will present in court. Probably already made up her mind. Hope I am wrong.
The scenario above, is just that. Possibilities.
To Soos wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:10 PM:We would have hoped the officers blood alcohol would have been tested, but we already know it wasn't. I know that's one of my biggest problems with this whole investigation. I want it to be timely and complete, but it can't ever be truly complete without that piece of the puzzle ... it's one bit of important information that no one will ever know. Let's just hope they get the rest of it right.
Today wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:59 PM:Judging by the comments today must have been a lot of officers near computers today. It’s not that most of the folks here are anti-police, they just don’t have blinders on. White was off-duty, got in to a road rage situation, and used his service pistol to shoot the other driver and her son, not good.
Jeff wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:35 PM:I can't wait until this investigation is made public and this story is finally put to rest, no matter how it turns out. I don't think I can stomach much more of this, but I somehow feel compelled to read about it anyway. Talk about beating a dead horse. This horse is a skeleton now.
John wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:15 PM:John Q publics like me don't know nothin. We don't have a right to know nothin until the authorities figure it out - and boy this is a tough one to figure out! Otherwise they would have let us in on the facts. None the less, like it or not, we ignorant masses who must be protected and served are forming opinions. ...
Who What HUH? wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:20 PM:Cops are only human, and so are marine's wives and kids. I know the police will protect me from the raging road sharks on the that troll the highways. Who's going to protect us from the pit bulls in law enforcement? Bonny D or the Oside PD? Not looking so good right now.
PO'd Blogger wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:25 PM:What the DA and PD need right now is a skillful PR agency to spin the truth in a way that can make it easy for us peons to understand why we need off duty cops to shoot mothers and children to protect our hardware store parking lots. A new Lowe for North County justice.
John wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:29 PM:Way to go Bo 11:11. Been there done that myself. Kudos to Mr. Torres for his wisdom. Phooey to his wise cracker detractors. How about an independent investigation?
loco760 wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:19 AM:John wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:15 PM
None the less, like it or not, we ignorant masses who must be protected and served are forming opinions.
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Ignorant masses? Speak for yourself John.
ClubStyle_DJ wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:23 PM:If an "alleged dangerous" person has DEADLY FORCE used "against" them by officers of the "law" (on duty or not), shouldn't said person be under arrest for some reason?
O'side Res wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:17 AM:I think this city needs to get off its apathetic booty and have a demonstration downtown demanding some answers. This is not acceptable.
to another view 9:49AM wrote on Apr 10, 2008 2:34 PM:Are you familiar with the First Amendment? Freedom of the press is still the law in this country. The reason freedom of the press is the law of the land is to keep the government in check and prevent abuses or miscarriage of justice. OPD is a government agency. When the NCT demands to know answers in this case, it is doing exactly what our nation's founders had in mind. We the public demand that those who committed wrongdoing in this case be brought to justice. So far it seems like justice is in short supply. Thank you NCT.
Come on Silva wrote on Apr 10, 2008 4:43 PM:Give a statement Silva. You have a witness saying you were backing up. Go NCT! Find more witnesses so Silva can get her story together.
Sam wrote on Apr 12, 2008 4:08 PM:While it sucks that this seemingly out of control police officer is on paid leave on our tax dollars, please remember that his salary is taking care of bills that have to be paid. It's really not fair to his family or his bill collectors to cut his pay off.
Also, please remember that he hasn't even been CHARGED (wtf?) let alone convicted yet. In America, that means you're still innocent.
I think.
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