Angry American! wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:18 PM:Deport the Mexican Consulate!
I am so tired of the Mexican government butting into our affairs and immigration policies. Matricular cards are easily forged and are only used by illegal aliens! Wake up people! This is not immigration, its and INVASION!

Ed Covered Up wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:30 PM:The big news as reported by various national news agencies, but covered up locally is the outragous comments that the Consulate spokesman Alberto Lozano made to the Minutemen outside the Mar. 13. You can view the video on the San Diego Minutemen website. Why did Ed choose not to include that in his piece?? NCT propaganda again.

secureourboarders wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:49 PM:We will protest were ever you try to set up shop! It's for the illegals and we all know it. GO home and fix your country. We are sick of your people sucking off our tax payers!

Lupe wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:51 PM:This Mexican Consulate has not seen the last of Americans protesting her and the Mexican government. We are tired of Mexico helping illegal aliens break America's laws for the benifit of Mexico. Everyone knows those Maticular cards are only used by illegal aliens. We will continue to find out where illegal are obtaining those cards and be right there shouting, "Mexican Government go home!!!" "Deportion, YES WE CAN!!!

MarchingMarine wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:56 PM:No other country suffers the indignity of having a foreign consulate help to colonize it as we do. Ms. Arnau wants dialogue based on information backed by academic studies; studies done by whom? She must have taken lessons from some of our lame politicans; do they all think that we're asleep at the wheel? I applaud Sen. Wyland for having the intestinal fortitude to voice the real will of the people which is to keep our sovereignty and for our flag, culture and laws to be respected.

Tuck wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:14 PM:Interesting how our troops are overseas while our country is being invaded. Coincidence??? I think NOT!!!!!

hipocrites!! wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:37 PM:there's no law being broken, because consulates are entities recognised by the goverment of any country. they are set up to help the citizens of the country that they represent, what's wrong with that. the Mexican consulate paid the regular fee that any other group or agency pays to use Palomar College; what's wrong with that; everything is done by the book and following the rules and regulations stablished by USA; I hope the men of a minute stop wasting everybody's time and hope their leaders get a job instead of just living out of the money of ignorants that don't know that they're being use by their leaders for their own gain and to avoid working as any regular person.

dave from oceanside wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:29 AM:A government official of Mexico in our country encouraging illegal’s to skirt our immigration laws. And now she is scurrying around to find a clandestine location to hand out these consular identity cards. Where are the rest of our representatives to counter this woman’s blatant disregard for our immigration laws. She is without a doubt thumbing her nose at all U.S. citizens and everyone in this country who immigrated legally.
Laws have a place in our society, but apparently she feels she is above them all.

Sheila wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:45 AM:At that Mar 13th protest, one of her employees, Alberto Lozano, an offical representative of the Mexican government said "This has been and will be Mexico again". Not one word from our media on this. I've written to my representatives demanding that they petition the UN for an immediate retraction and apology from Mexico. I've also requested that man be expelled from our country. The only answer I've gotten is that one of my senators sent a form letter explaining why she is in favor of the DREAM act.

Since our government has abdicated their responsibilities, I have to assume Mexico has already won the war and Alberto is right.

Anyone read Nation Geographic wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:14 AM:Feb. Issue has an interesting article on how Mexicans and the Mexican government treat illegals in their country. Huge difference in policy. They are very inhumane and abusive to the border crossers. Mexico is hypocritical when it comes to their immigration policies! Time to expose mexico for what it really is!
PS: Boycott Absolute Vodka!

To Sheila wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:15 AM:Good thing we got that on video! It has gotten over 30,ooo hits so far!!!!!

Where is the video? wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:35 AM:"To Sheila," where can we find the video of Alberto Lozano?

oh please wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:36 AM:Because of your one sided ... rhetoric, farmers are beginning to not plant crops this season because they are unsure of an adequate labor supply. Nice work, fellas! What's it going to take for you guys to approach this in a reasonable, pragmatic way? Are you going to continue this until every brown skinned individual has been sent back to wherever you think he came from? Jeez...get a grip!

Scare tactics by Oh? wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:55 AM:The illegal alien only provides 2% to the agricultural business, according to Ed Sifuentes!! NO ONE is targeting "brown people" but YOU.

Karl wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:59 AM:The anti Illegal Immigration crowd is not after "every brown skinned individual" We just want something done with all unchecked illegal immigration. By the way "oh please", you're welcome.

Justice wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:04 AM:Do not be foolish! I have seen carefully that video -the full version of it, not the edited one- and this guy did not say anything against California or the U.S. He was making reference to the Mexican Consulate location, but the Minutemen took his quote out of context ...

OH PLEASE! wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:11 AM:Please, oh please, what is your definition of a reasonable approach?

Born Citizen wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:25 AM:I'm not an organizer, but I'm ready to get out on the streets to march, so our gov't will do something. Why can't Americans do a million citizen march all the way to Washington? What happened to our backbone?

Shame on Senator Wyland wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:43 AM:"State Sen. Mark Wyland, R-Carlsbad, said he opposed Palomar allowing its campus to serve as a host site for the consulate office to process matricula card applications." Gee, I wonder why he did not oppose the screening of the docudrama "Border" when it was being screened at Escondido Charter High School. I opposed that this campus be used as a host site for purpose of instigating hate, promoting racism, and perpetuating lies. I feel the biggest problem here is our Senator Mark Wyland does not serve all the people. Shame on you Senator!!!

not enough laborers - ITS A LIE! wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:57 AM:When farmers say they don't have enough laborers, its a total LIE!
We have sent home less than 1 percent of illegals already here.
We are in a "recession" and folks are out of work. I bet someone will work for the appropriate wages. I, like most Americans, don't mind payinjg a little extra for my veggies.
In fact, most non-Mexicans seeking to work in agriculture in California are "discouraged" by the Mexican workers from seeking employment in the fields. The migrants have established themselves in this industry and do not want to share it with anyone outside of their ethnical group.
Tell the farmers its OK to charge a little more and to pay for documented workers. I will still shop at the local grocery store.

to oh please wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:07 AM:What a crock of horse puckey. The farmers hire illegals that are the equivelent of scabs/non-union laborers. There are millions of illegals still here and the farmers won't risk thier huge profits and subsidicies because of a supposed labor short fall.
These farmers that tell you there aren't enough workers are just saying that so they can continue to exploit cheap labor.
The farmers are lying to instill fear in us that their won't be enough food. Guess what, what ever we can't grow here we can import from China and Africa for quite bit less.
The farmeres are lying to make sure they can continue to get our money.

To: Sheila wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:10 AM:Yes, I went and I saw your video. It shows nothing to me. I did not hear Mr. Lozano say anything. All I could hear was Jeff Schwilk getting angry and out of control as usual!!! This video is ridiculous the subtitles I believe are putting words in this guys mouth. I did not hear him say anything. ...

Oh Please wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:29 AM:A reasonable approach would be to start with the MCain bill and beef it up. First, the border patrol doesn't need more officers and they don't need a wall. They need more technology and more non-human resources. Give them what they need. Second, the feds should create a database that employers can rely on. E-Verify was never intended to be used as an immigration tool. We know that multiple SS#'s are being used. Why doesn't that raise a red flag somewhere in the system? If I use my credit card in another country, I get a call to verify it's use. If VISA can do it, why not the feds. Third, the feds have to revamp the foreign worker visa system. It's not just the agriculture and hotel businesses that are complaining. It's high tech, biotech and the computer industry thats complaining. It's an outdated system that does not meet todays needs. Fourth, ICE needs to beef up it's staff to deal with the procedural elements of handling all this additional workload. That's for starters, and this could take 10 years to accomplish - but all you guys can think of is "build a wall". Remember, it's tough to build a wall - it's easy to build a tunnel. Jeez...get a grip.

To Born Citizen!!! wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:36 AM:I am also an American Born Citizen and I do recall a Million Citizen March on May 1. Come on you remember. I was there to support my brothers and sisters from a horrible law that was being proposed which was called HR4437. I thought it was inhumane and unjust so I marched on Los Angeles to protest it. We managed to put a halt to this bill and yes some of us do have a backbone.

Justice? wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:59 AM:I didn't see you at the rally on March 13. I DID, however, hear ... Lozano. YOU, and they, try and say that true videos are spun, because that is the tactic YOU use with your lack of TRUTH. The open border league just exposed itself for the anti Americans they are and always have been. Just more proof that they have NO self control or ethics. Go FIX Mexico, Arnau, Lonzano, Enrique, Klaudia,Justice, Sifuentes et al. Put YOUR money where your mouth's are and SPIN that!!!

American Man wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:00 AM:Illegal Aliens are Criminals, not Immigrants. They are Vagrants, not Migrants. We don't need them to pick the crops; we will adjust Ding Dong!What ever negative reaction the Criminal Vagrants recieve, well too bad! it's justified. All we need to do is to VERY SIMPLY enforce current immigration laws and the Vagrants will go away and stop coming. It's that simple, period!

to Shame on Senator Wyland wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:06 AM:Careful playing the racism card. I have met more than a few VERY racist latinos and I grew up in California. Remember, it is Latino gangs that recently shot and kill African American children in LA. These black kids were young and not gang members. So please, use facts and not inflamatory speech. Some folks do hate all Mexicans. most of us don't care either way what color they are, we just want them to follow the law and immigrate legally. We also want undocumented immigrants to stop overburdening our school and welfare systems.
I have problem with ANYONE who immigrates legally but the influx of folks from Mexico and Latin America are overwhelming our infrastucture. We just need to slow the pace long enough to get the millions of folks already here the health care and education they need. Every succesful culture has this problem. We just need it to slow up enough to assimilate so many people from so many different backgrounds. Otherwise, they problems will be worse not better.

Patriot wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:15 AM:Perhaps the local Mexico consul general should consider chartering buses to San Francisco since that city's mayor has initiated a radio and television advertising campaign to champion that city's status as a sanctuary city.

cheap labor wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:15 AM:If the farmers are worried about a shortage of laborers, the governor can always use the nation guard temporarily. We can also use nonviolent offenders to perform the work are part of their court mandated community service. We have lots of folks in our prison system. For non-violent criminals, they could get a day off their sentence for every day thy worked. We could charge the farmers a reasonable fee or percentage of thier profits for the labor. It would have to be mandatory and not forced. Criminals could have the choice of working in the fields or staying in prison.
I am sure someone will complain but remember all of the work projects from the depression era. We built a lot of great things in this country on the cheap and we kept young men with no jobs off the streets.

Actually.... wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:16 AM:It's called a business decision. Would you be willing to put $1.5 million into the ground without having a labor force to harvest the crop already in place? It doesn't matter if they're legal or illegal....they're just not there! Thanks to your efforts, the "migrant" worker is scarce, but there has been no time to develop an alternative labor force, regardless of the cost. Maybe that labor pool will be there next season, or the season after that, but not for this season. So it's not a scare tactic or a lie or a crock of horse puckey, as the two of you so elloquently state, but a hard, albeit temporary reality of the immigration stalemate. Didn't you guys take Business 101 at the community college?

Just kinda Pathetic wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:53 AM:Oh yes I did see all the Minutemen protesting that day all 6 of them. I thought is there not anything better these guys can be doing on a Saturday morning? I guess not since they took time out of their lives to harass people. They are a sad group.

To wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:01 PM:Your racist comments are typical of anyone who complains about not having open boarders.
Are you so dense that you can’t see what is happening in this area concerning separatist attitudes of Mexican nationals that are here in this country illegally? This country was built on immigration from all races and nationalities.
But the BIG difference is the defiant attitude of the illegal’s who would love to drag California back into Mexico’s jurisdiction. This country abhors this type of attitude. All we asks of legal immigrants is to assimilate into our culture, follow our laws, speak English, get an education, rely on yourself not the government, and give allegiance to the U.S. exclusively. Your logic is childish and dangerous.

Dave from oceanside

To "oh please" wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:02 PM:Your racist comments are typical of anyone who complains about not having open boarders.
Are you so dense that you can’t see what is happening in this area concerning separatist attitudes of Mexican nationals that are here in this country illegally? This country was built on immigration from all races and nationalities.
But the BIG difference is the defiant attitude of the illegal’s who would love to drag California back into Mexico’s jurisdiction. This country abhors this type of attitude. All we asks of legal immigrants is to assimilate into our culture, follow our laws, speak English, get an education, rely on yourself not the government, and give allegiance to the U.S. exclusively. Your logic is childish and dangerous.

Dave wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:53 PM:California as an example is in a real chaos, concerning it's pandering to the special interest lobby. Assemblywoman Mimi Walters, a Republican from Oceanside, said illegal immigrants are costing California taxpayers an estimated $9 billion dollars each year. The governor has ordered the release of 22.000 inmates, who are considered low-risk; low danger to the public. READ AND YOU DECIDE FOR YOURSELF? NUMBERSUSA! AMERICAN PATROL! VDARE! FAIRUS! UNIPAC!

America cannot afford to enact another AMNESTY? The ramifications are unthinkable on each states economy? Taxpayers will have to support even more illegal immigrants as the word gets out and millions more will pour into our nation.

Keep calling your Congressmen today to co-author THE SAVE ACT! ... AND REGISTER YOUR OUTRAGE at ongoing efforts to keep our country from enforcing its immigration laws!

To Shiela wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:15 PM:It does not appear that you want true justice. It does appear though that you a very angry person and does not like opposition. I will not go to Mexico to fix as that is not my country. I am an American and I feel that you and your type are behaving in an Un-America manner. I don't spin things I leave that up to you and your type. Deception is your key tool. How do you know I was not there? Your video only proves that your leader(and I use the term loosely)is a hothead as well as a liar.

To Karl wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:22 PM:I wish that were true!!!!!

To "To: Sheila" wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:38 PM:You are either lying or you didn't see the right video. He says it as plain as day.

Karl wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:43 PM:"Oh Please" you make some very good points. One however I can't let go by. "If VISA can do it, why not the feds." Visa needs to make a profit to exist, the Feds do not and never have. Does that answer your question?

To: Justice? post 4/7/08 at 10:59 am wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:54 PM:"YOU, and they, try and say that true videos are spun, because that is the tactic YOU use with your lack of TRUTH." Look in the mirror, baby!!!! The anti-Latino league just exposed itself for the anti Americans you are and always will be. Watching Jeff Schwilk in your video is just more proof that you have NO self control or ethics. You say go fix Mexico!!! I would rather fix the United States! I would rather have the Constitution of our great Nation upheld. I would rather see Justice here at home. What do you mean when you say "put YOUR money where your mouth's are and SPIN that!!!"?

To: American Man from An American Woman wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:08 PM:I wish it were that simple!!!! Immigration law and the Constitution contridict one another. Our immigrants of today are definately immigrants!!! ... honestly I think we should try to keep this dialogue civil. ... please try after all that is the American Way!!!

To: To Shame on Senator Wyland wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:13 PM:I think you need to be careful about playing the racist card. Lets not forget that it was a caucasian male who shot and killed five girls in an Amish schoolhouse. Also he admitted to molesting children. Are we to believe now that all caucasian males are child molesters and murders?

To "oh please" wrote on Apr 7, 2008 2:48 PM:Your racist comments are typical of anyone who complains about not having open boarders.
Are you so clueless that you can’t see what is happening in this area concerning separatist attitudes of Mexican nationals that are here in this country illegally? This country was built on immigration from all races and nationalities.
But the BIG difference is the defiant attitude of the illegal’s who would love to drag California back into Mexico’s jurisdiction. This country abhors this type of attitude. All we asks of legal immigrants is to assimilate into our culture, follow our laws, speak English, get an education, rely on yourself not the government, and give allegiance to the U.S. exclusively. Your logic is childish and dangerous.

Dave from Oceanside

to 12:02 wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:28 PM:Racist comments? Really? I guess we're not speaking the same language here because I'm pretty sure I didn't write anything racist, but oh well.....As for defiant attitudes, what would you wish to do with the separatist attitudes of American born citizens who are in this country legally? Where do you suppose we send Metzgers skinheads back to? What about the followers of Farakahn, where do they go? Do you really believe that there is even a remote chance that the feds would give California back to Mexico? Are you nuts? California would seceed before that happened (which is not a bad idea, incidently). As far as assimilation, that is happening in the Mexican community (both legal and illegal) at a much faster pace than you would realize. In fact. that's the achillies heel of the anti illegal immigration movement. No one is really against strengthening our immigration laws, or even enforcing the ones on the books today, but some of the draconian ideas of the rabid fringe treat illegals as un-human, and to most people they are not - they're their neighbors, their classmates, and their colleages. Because the illegal community in this country is soo large, American generosity and compassion are working against the anti-immigration movement! If thats racist, well I'm a racist! Get a grip!

To Karl wrote on Apr 7, 2008 4:18 PM:Thanks. What I meant was that if VISA has the capability, manpower and technology to monitor your purchasing activities, then it's possible for the fed's to use similar technology to compare transactions involving a SS# (w-2's, 1099's etc.).

jsc wrote on Apr 7, 2008 5:37 PM:RE matricula consular. The Mexican government has the right to issue any ID card for its citizens. However I do take exception to EX Presidente Fox encouraging illegal aliens as well as resident aliens to try to alter U.S. politics--they have no more right to involve themselves in our policies than we do in theirs. Also the TRUE CULPRITS are the banks, the credit card companies, etc. who ACCEPT the matricula consular as an ID. A U.S. citizen has to provide his SSN for ID, tax purposes when opening an account. Why shouldn't an alien need to provide an ID as good as a valid SSN?

To Cheap Labor wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:27 PM:You are so right. During the depression there were the CCC (Civilian Conservation Corps) My uncle and a cousin both were involved in that. The WPA, another good project. Arizona's Sheriff Joe Arpaio is doing a great job keeping illegals out of Arizona. Again, the key word here is illegal, meaning in this country illegally. Enough is enough.

Floyd wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:15 PM:Hey, I used to be a college student, so I can announce the result of my academic study: trespassing is a violation of the law. Sneaking into another country -- trespassing -- is a violation of the law. Offering a matricula consular card to help a trespasser continue violating the law is acting as an accomplice to the crime. According to my research, lawbreakers and their accomplices are subject to arrest, trial, and a fitting punishment (like deportation if they're illegally in the country) when found guilty. Yes, diplomats can be expelled from a country. Happens all the time.

If that doesn't satisfy Ms. Gomez' desire for a scholarly & academic conclusion, perhaps DD Wiz will swing by and perform a peer review (even though there are no filthy fossil fuels involved). Lacking that, perhaps Ms. Gomez can describe how Mexico treats Guatemalans when they sneak into her country as an example of how it's supposed to be done. If she can't or won't, that's okay because my academic inquiry has the answer for that, too. It shows they are detained in overcrowded jails without food or medical attention for weeks at a time and are subjected to abuse at the hands of police and military personnel. Personally, I think deportation is a much more humane way to address the problem.

So there you have it, an academic and scientific research report with a comprehensive conclusion to help clarify the issue.

the letter of the law wrote on Apr 8, 2008 7:05 AM:Why is it that an entire group of people think it is OK to ignore the law?
Why is it such a burden to ask that folks take the time to come here legally?
If I immigrated to another country, I would so respect for that countries laws and its people.
Its like coming into someone's house with knocking.
It's not that the immigrants are bad people or that we don't want them here. We just want them to do it legally. We also want to slow the incoming people enough so our schools and ehalthe care systems can catch up.
it would also be nice if folks did not send quite so much money back to mexico. I realize that that money helps those that remained there and they depend on it but our communities could use SOME of this money too. Its not unfair to ask that folks contribute to the schools their kids attend. If you are paying your full share of taxes and you are sending money out of the country, it seems like you are short changing the very place you live and where your kids are growing up.

Jimi wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:07 AM:Consular cards are issued only as a get out of jail free card. They are not secure, anyone can get one. No banks in Mexico accept them, while many banks here do. They are not recongnized as legitamate ID in Mexico, only here. It is a business decision by the banks, etc. So it goes in the Economic Empowerment Zone, formally known as the USA.

To Jimi wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:33 AM:B of A is the biggest bank causing this problem.

Dave from Oceanside

to Actually.... wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:46 AM:I find it hard to believe that there are not enough farm and agricultural workers already here. We are not talking about highly skilled jobs. You just need to be able bodied to do it. Its not like you need a master's degree, you just need to be healthy and willing to work. Even the lowest estimates show millions of migrants already here. Since we have not deported even one (1) percent yet, I just don't see a labor short fall. Especially with all the folks getting laid off due to the recession.
This is FUD (fear,uncertanty and Doubt) being spread by immigrant activists and the special interest group that lobby for cheap labor for the already heavily subsidized farmers. Its a LIE. We have the people here already to do the work, we just need to pay them slightly better than slave wages, even if it means a few more cents at the grocery store.
The farmers like cheap labor even if it means the rest of us have to pay for their workers health care and their kid's educations.
Its time to challenge the status quo on farmers and shake up a heavily corrupt industry. The family farmer was wiped out by big corporations in the 70's and 80s. Farms are not owned by mom and pop anymore. They were driven out of business by ruthless tactics.

farming is big business wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:49 AM:Its time for the large corporations that own all of the farms to step up and do the right thing.
Stop exploiting workers.
Stop expecting the public to pay for your employee's heathcare.
Start contributing to your local tax base so that money can be used for better education.
FARMERS DO THE RIGHT THING!

Alf wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:51 AM:Well, "the letter of the law" at 7:05AM asks "Why is it that an entire group of people think it is OK to ignore the law?". They are emulating GWB, he acts as if he believes that he is above the law and ignores it. Regards, Alf.

Roserito to Ensenada wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:06 AM:I hate to do it but I am going to boycott the Rosarito Ensenada Bicycle Ride this year. It is on April 19th. I would urge Americans to boycott this event as well.
We will have to make a monetary impact for the government of Mexico to understand that this problem cannot go on unchecked.
I love Baja and I have no problem with immigrants. I blame the US government and the Mexican government for not taking action and letting this issue impact our local schools and healthcare systems.
Sadly, I won't be going back to Mexico until BOTH governments make some significant progress in fixing the root cause. Mexico's citizens are leaving their country by the hundreds every single day! Folks are fleeing poverty in the hopes of a better life. The Mexican government should be ashamed that they are encouraging families to split up. This is not a race problem, its an economic problem. Mexico needs to study India and China in ways to change their economy so their own citizens will be prosperous.
Its shameful.

Fedup wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:10 AM:Only in america can an invader set up shop,and help it's citizens who are not even supposed to be here. This is ridiculous.

EscondidoHomie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:25 AM:I don't know why anyone is arguing. Whoever the next president is will only turn around and give amnesty to everyone that is here. So this is all a moot point.

Buzzm1 wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:29 AM:Help get rid of ALL illegal immigrants.

If you are against illegal immigration,

Fight as many battles, on illegal immigration issues, in as many states and localities, in as many ways, as you can.

A lot of this battle can be fought by educating our friends, families, and acquaintances.

There are some great tools, and information, provided within these threads. Take advantage of them, copy them, and pass them on to friends, family, and acquaintances.

The more Americans we can educate on the damage caused by illegal immigration, the more effective we will be in forcing illegals to return to their own homes.

It will take a lot of us. The illegal immigrants are numbered between 20, and 40, million, and there are more coming in every day.

To EscondidoHomie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:26 AM:Any President that pushes amnesty will be impeached, you can bet on it!

So don't worry about Escondido, soon all the illegal's will be gone and we will be able to enjoy north county once more.

Hang in there

EscondidoHomie wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:57 AM:Thanks for your response, hang in there. :) I am VERY worried because McCain wrote the amnesty bill and Obama and Clinton are soft on illegal immigration as well. I sent tons of faxes to ALL the senators and congressmen and so did a lot of you because we forced them to back down. We have to keep up the pressure!!! That is the only way to stop it!

brenda s. wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:03 AM:I'm with you born citizen I'm ready to march any time. I marched in 5 last year. If I see any listed will let you know if I see you. I'll be damn if I'm going to sit back for this invasion!

To Buzzm1 wrote on Apr 8, 2008 12:32 PM:That is a great idea!!! However it is important that we educate people with true and complete facts. Not exaggerated, embellished, and disingenuous facts used by extremist to confuse, and bamboozle people into irrational behaviors. I believe we all have our right to freedom of speech and I hope you leave room for those who do not agree with your “educating materials”. I hope that you cite your sources so those you are educating can make an educated decision on where they stand on this issue. Just stop lying and stop perpetuating lies and I can have some respect for your efforts. If your views are made up of half truths than I have no respect for that.

Parting is such sweet sorrow wrote on Apr 8, 2008 12:34 PM:Maybe President Jorge Boosh will give all the illegals a parting gift; AMNESTY!!! Can't he grant pardons on his way out.

JALISCO wrote on Apr 8, 2008 1:09 PM:Soon the Mexican Consul General will be the Governor of Norte California, appointed by the Presidente of Mexico! No doubt about it, times they are a changing! What with the advent of the OAS, the expansion of NAFTA now including Mexican trucking throughout the USA, the future is OBVIOUS. Next step is the North American Union, to include MEXICO, usa and Canada. Then, no borders, no more worries about citizenship status. You will then be a NORAMICAN, one and all, with the NORCO as the unit of currency! In the new configuration, Norte California will be restored to Mexico, so that Baja and Norte will be an additional Mexican state = California.

To Brenda S. wrote on Apr 8, 2008 1:50 PM:Keep on marching sister it is good exercise other than that your marching is a huge was of time. This damned invastion is a figment of your imagination. It is not real!!! This is a huge hoax thought up by warmongers to keep our focus on something other than the war in Iraq. I am more concerned about the fact the 4,000 Americans have been killed in Iraq. Can't you see, please realize before it is to late that this immigration invastion is a red herring to take our focus off this horrible war. I'll be damned if I sit back any longer and tolerate this.

Bobby wrote on Apr 8, 2008 2:07 PM:The whole illegal immigration fiasco is completely the fault of the American citzenrys. No one else. Everyone wants the "cheap" services these people do, but no one wants to pay for the social costs of having them here. Shoot, not even Mexico wants to pay for their social costs. And everyone who is a little knowledgable on the subject, knows Mexico could easily pay for their costs, if the leaders of that nation were not so corrupt. Besides, even though most of these people aren't criminals, Mexico gets a chance to rid itself of many of their criminals, drug lords included.

Any deluded American women, or man, who thinks that the administration is going to solve this problem for them is really out there mentally. It is a problem, precisely because Americans have not gotten on their elected representatives to stop it. Present immigration law says that all of this should not be going on. The law is on Americans side, what are people waiting for, demand it be enforced. Don't let socialist liberals destroy the nation. The country isn't great because of socialism. It became great by being a Capatalist system, where most of the time social responsibilities were taken into account. That is all that needs correcting now.

Bobby wrote on Apr 8, 2008 2:11 PM:"The invasion from Mexico is a figment of peoples immagination?"

That's a new one. I've heard a lot of excuses, but I think that one takes the cake.

Imagination or What?????? wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:17 PM:I love cake!!!! I agree that the invasion from Mexico is a figment of peoples imaginations!!!! A desperate attempt by racists to go on a full attack against Latinos. This is allowing Law enforcement officers to target Latinos in highly populated Latino neighborhoods. This is allowing Law enforcement to ignore the hate crimes being committed against Latinos. Because of this exaggerated so called invasion the Latino people who were born here and are here legally are under attack. It is really hard to tell who is here legally and illegally just by looking at someone, isn't it? Do we determine that by the color of their skin? The color of their hair or perhaps the color of their eyes. If the only way we are determining that a person is here illegally is by outer appearance than we have hit all time low. So yes once again this so called invasion from Mexico is a figment of our imagination.

JALISCO wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:40 PM:Get just a little historical perspective. California was robbed from Mexico by the USA with the Treaty Of Guadalupe Hidalgo forced upon Mexico. Most of the Anglos now living in California migrated here for the same reasons that Mexicans continue to migrate into what is really their own country. A huge number of Caucasians migrated here from the dust bowl during the depression (1930-1941) looking for work in agriculture, ironically, just as Mexicans now are. Hordes more of Caucasians migrated here during World War II (1941-1946) seeking work in "defense plants." Now the offspring of those migrants are all up in arms about people coming here to what is rightfully their own land. Get it straight, in historical terms, you who bellyache about "illegal aliens" are in fact comparatively recent arrivals who in the view of many are the "illegal" ones.

To Jalisco wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:50 PM:What a load! Maybe you stop speaking Spanish as well. After all, it wasn't your native tongue.

To Imagination wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:52 PM:Do yourself a favor and look up the word "race."

Some of your could get jobs in the desert blowing those huge windmills.

Is it just me or does your statement not make any sense wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:55 PM:To Imagination
[-] wrote on Apr 8, 2008 3:52 PM:
"Some of your could get jobs in the desert blowing those huge windmills." This statement does not compute. Please explain it to me.

To "To Brenda S" wrote on Apr 8, 2008 4:01 PM:Have at it!

Focus squarely on your single issue. Make 'em all pay!

The rest of us will be fighting on many fronts... Illegal imagination, er, immigration being one of them.

dave from oceanside wrote on Apr 8, 2008 4:14 PM:There you go, people like Jalisco are the problem. He actually believes California belongs to Mexico and a great many illegals that think like him are here in California.

Larry wrote on Apr 8, 2008 4:29 PM:I am confident that if Senator John McCain becomes President he will oppose outrageous meddling by the Mexican government in U.S. internal affairs. I also believe in the tooth fairy.

To Is it just me... wrote on Apr 8, 2008 4:35 PM:Is it just me or do questions usually end with a question mark?

Replace the word "your" with the word "you" and voila, problem solved. I'm sure the poster meant to use the word "you."

Roberto1 wrote on Apr 8, 2008 4:59 PM:Yes it a plot by all the Mexicans to take California back....Why bother trying to convince the xenophobes otherwise?

Dave wrote on Apr 8, 2008 5:51 PM:For those people who believe that the White People are the predators in the United States. Remember that throughout history men have conquered and occupied foreign lands, from the beginning of time? The Romans conquered Britain in the 2nd Century and even the native Americans slaughtered each other, for horses, women and children and the possession of land.

As crude as it was the Pilrgims brought the elements of English Common Law, and therefore lived by its statutes. Without laws we would not have seen the civilisation that exists in this great and wonderful country?

We did not cross the border, the border crossed us?
This slogan requires that we go back in history to the time before and during the presidency of James K. Polk. Present-day Texas was then a part of the Mexican state of Coahuila-Tejas. The Mexican government had invited settlers to that area. In 1835, the people in the northern section of Coahuila-Tejas revolted against the Mexican government and, in 1836, after winning the Battle of San Jacinto, declared themselves the Independent Republic of Texas.

Polk was president from 1845 to 1849. Polk and the Congress wanted to include Texas in the United States. In fact, Congress had made the decision to annex Texas even before Polk was sworn into office. There were various reasons for wanting Texas. (1) There was a fear or expectation that Great Britain or France would claim the territory if America did not. (2) American settlers were already moving westward by wagon trains. Some settlers, especially those in the Independent Republic of Texas, assumed they would one day be a part of the United States. (3) The concept of Manifest Destiny--that America was destined to extend from ocean to ocean--was used to justify the acquisition of more land.

Historians generally agree that Polk manipulated Mexico into war over the ownership of Texas, and that Mexico had a weaker military and a disorganized government. However, Polk had offered to purchase Texas and the present-day areas of New Mexico and California (in the manner of the Louisiana Purchase), but Mexico turned down the offer. Nobody can blame a country for defending its borders but, in trying to understand current illegal immigrant attitudes, it must be stressed that Mexico could have avoided war and loss of life.

The Mexican-American War was fought from 1846 to 1848. It ended with the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. America obtained present-day Arizona, California, and New Mexico; as well as sections of Colorado, Nevada, and Utah. And, the Texas border was extended to the Rio Grande River. These lands represented 55 percent of Mexico's territory. What seems to be overlooked by illegal immigrant advocates is that America also paid 15 million dollars to Mexico for war damages incurred by Mexico.

Another overlooked historical fact is the American acquisition of the Oregon Territory under Polk's presidency. Polk was able to negotiate a treaty with Great Britain in which present-day Oregon and Washington were brought under American jurisdiction.

Do illegal immigrants, most of whom never graduated from high school, really understand the history of the Mexican-American War? Or is this common knowledge in their culture? Or is the protest slogan being fed to them by politically astute activists and protest march organizers? What about illegal immigrants from Guatemala, El Salvador, or Ecuador? The United States did not conquer or purchase any lands from those countries. The border-crossed-us slogan can be applied only to Mexican illegal immigrants. This creates a political and social division between two types of illegal immigrants: Mexican and non-Mexican. Or, it cancels out the legitimacy of the slogan.
If any country has legal possession and a deed to these Americas, it has to be the different tribes. However, even those are attributed to have originally entered through the Bering Straights. Outside of that the Royal country of Spain incarnate could also add a mechanics lien in the way of ownership. But not anything below the Southern border, as they are the indigenous to that longitude.

Nick wrote on Apr 8, 2008 6:23 PM:Hey "Roberto 1", what about us Indians who don't want ILLEGALS in this Country? Are we all xenophobes and racists too? Maybe were just Americans who want our borders and laws enforced and followed. Maybe we're all tired of being taken advantage of and supporting people who don't pay taxes and send home BILLIONS of untaxed money. You seriously need to get a clue genius. I have yet to hear you give ANY sensible solutions to the problem, just your usual name calling.

Bobby wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:15 PM:People like Roberto 1,and other Mexican nationalists can't get it through their extremely thick skulls that Mexicans had as much right to this land as whites did, NONE. However, did Mexicans ever develop anything here? It was a worthless, dry, desert. There is a fundamental law of real estate theory that states, Land, REAL PROPERTY IS VALUABLE WHEN PUT TO ITS BEST USE. So now that everything is developed, of course Mexico is intensley interested. Now there are roads, water is brought in from 300 miles away, and thus the worthless desert has disappeared. Now value has been created--not by Mexico. Now even the descendants of Chief Geronimos tribe and other Indians are receiving some justice, and benefitting from the value that others(not Mexico) created. Just look at the dozens of Gaming houses with more built every year owned by various tribes. If Chief Geronimo even drove off, from HIS LAND, the Mexican Army over one hundred years ago, well, how much less should Mexico have to complain today. It never developed anything here. The elite in Mexico won't even develop it today.

Viva La Migra! wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:17 PM: Any discussion of securing American borders and enforcing immigration laws is clearly anti-Latino, anti-immigrant, racist and hateful!
Right?

American worker wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:22 PM:In Georgia, enforcement works! a 2 minute 2007 Atlanta TV news video San Diego's Mexican consul general fromMexico hopes you don't see

anotherview wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:16 PM:Mexican Consul General Remedios Gomez Arnau says regarding the status of illegal aliens that she wants "a dialogue that is based on information backed by academic studies." How beautiful to say these words on a high-minded level for consumption by her superiors. She says nothing in her published comments about American immigration law, to wit: illegal aliens have no right to live and work in America. This fact of law needs no study at all, for this fact applies right now to the Mexican illegal aliens. Good citizens obey the law, and expect others to do the same. What does Arnau say to this principle of law and order? Further, Arnau beautifully and simplistically rationalizes illegal immigration by saying, “most Mexicans come to the U. S. seeking work,” as if to suggest this quest justifies illegality. By these words, she lowers herself to the level of the unscrupulous American employers who unlawfully hire illegal aliens to work, and who use her rationale for their own lawbreaking. Of course, Dear Reader, we all know Arnau operates from a national bias favoring her countrymen even if here illegally. But what does she say about the 632,000 mostly Mexican fugitive aliens nationwide, and about the tens of thousands of Mexican criminal aliens in state and federal prisons, there at high cost? Unfortunately, an individual of her mental caliber must now practice intellectual dishonesty by closing her eyes and mind to the unfounded status of the Mexican illegal aliens in America. Thankfully, the federal government now appears ready to stop the unscrupulous employers from their unlawful practice of hiring illegal aliens. With no job, the illegal aliens will self-deport (at their own expense) -- no national roundup needed. Minus the lure of a job, the foreign nationals will not illegally migrate to America. All concerned will adjust. By enforcement of existing federal immigration law, America can free itself of illegal aliens, and will prosper all the more.

JALISCO wrote on Apr 8, 2008 11:28 PM:Just a reminder: President Bush and the Congress have signaled repeatedly that they favor AMNESTY for undocumented migrants. You betcha, employers are the magnet and that's precicely why NOTHING WILL CHANGE. They have the MONEY AND POWER, little guys that blog hate in some little newspaper DON'T.

Bobby wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:00 AM:Is this "new" consul general, by any chance, the succesor to the clown who came out a few weeks back and said that California was Mexican territory and will be again. Using the word "new" when describing some Mexican politcian from Mexico, is an oxymoron.

CrimeHater wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:36 AM: Anyone who helps an illegal alien stay in this country illegally should be charged with aiding and abetting a criminal.
If people can act like they are above the laws of this land, we will see our laws vanish altogether.
This isn't an interpretive issue . . .
Crime is crime.

Shame, Shame, Shame on State Senator Wyland wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:52 AM:"State Sen. Mark Wyland, R-Carlsbad, said he opposed Palomar allowing its campus to serve as a host site for the consulate office to process matricula card applications." Gee, I wonder why he did not oppose the screening of the docudrama "Border" when it was being screened at Escondido Charter High School. I opposed that this campus be used as a host site for purpose of instigating hate, promoting racism, and perpetuating lies. I feel the biggest problem here is our Senator Mark Wyland does not serve all the people. Shame on you Senator!!!

giterdone wrote on Apr 9, 2008 7:50 AM:In 1848 the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo Mexico sold to the United States for 15 million dollars California, Nevada and Utah. Also included in this sale were parts of Colorado, Arizona, New Mexico and Wyoming.
In the Gasden purchase of 1853 Mexico sold to the United States Wyoming and the remaining parts of Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico for 10 million dollars.

To Another View wrote on Apr 9, 2008 11:15 AM:The reason she says nothing of immigration law is because it's not a factor. CrimeHater gets it almost right - the immigration laws are not being enforced. Naturally, if they were being enforced, her treatise would be non-sensical. There are plenty of academic studies accross all disciplines that have focused on immigration. Whether it is illegal or not is irrelevant since the laws are not enforced. As for intellectual dishonesty, I don't see it. She's speaking to the reality of today, not "what if the laws were enforced". The only intellectual dishonesty I see is the denial on the part of some in the "close the border" contingent of the true complexities of the issue. I agree that once the feds start to seriously talk about this issue, her conclusions will chnage, but for now, they will most certainly be part of the debate. This is all good - debate is healthy!!

dave from oceanside wrote on Apr 9, 2008 12:35 PM:A government official of Mexico in our country encouraging illegal’s to skirt our immigration laws. And now she is scurrying around to find a clandestine location to hand out these consular identity cards. Where are the rest of our representatives to counter this woman’s blatant disregard for our immigration laws. She is without a doubt thumbing her nose at all U.S. citizens and everyone in this country who immigrated legally.
Laws have a place in our society, but apparently she feels she is above them all.

Bobby wrote on Apr 9, 2008 4:36 PM:How stupid are millions of Americans? (a question Jay Leno asks often and then demonstrates the answer to)
When tens of millions of foreign nationals, here illegally, and are represented by racist ethnic groups who then go on to demand that a foreign language be spoken that has equal footing in the nation they've invaded with English. The very idea that thousands of newspaper classified job ads contain statements like,"Spanish required, "bilingual needed,", etc.etc. puts things in perspective. The clowns who continually post on these forums and complain about racism, naturally never bring things up like these clearly racist ads? Again, how stupid are Americans for putting up with it all?

Roberto1 wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:02 PM:Viva La Migra!
[-] wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:17 PM:
Any discussion of securing American borders and enforcing immigration laws is clearly anti-Latino, anti-immigrant, racist and hateful!
Right?
REPLY: In the context of this blog...YES!

nonxeonephobe wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:58 PM:If you don't like it don't read it!
Just because the majority of the illegals are latino in this part of the Unitrd States does not make us anti-latino it just makes us pro- immigration laws.
It doesn't matter what context we put it in, we want the laws abided. Not a hard concept. You are one who does not respect the law.

CrimeHater wrote on Apr 12, 2008 5:49 AM: No,Roberto1 -
You obviously don't get it or are tossing up the typical liberal smokescreen I hear day in and day out.
The context of this blog is the righteous frustration of LEGAL Americans with the criminal invaders and the lack of efforts on the part of our politicians to enforce America's immigration laws.
Assuming and declaring that everyone who opposes ILLEGAL immigration is racist, hateful, and anti-immigrant simply shows you don't know what you are talking about. If you knew me, you would no I am none of those things.

Roberto1 wrote on Apr 12, 2008 8:18 PM:Go ahead and spin-on-it all you want "crime hater"...certainly I get it and working illegal immigrants is a very complicated issue. Not everyone who opposes as you say illegalmimmigration is a racist but they are well enbedded within your ilk....working illegal immigration needs a solution and in my opinion the uniformed, brain dead seem to shoot from the hip without any intelligent solutions.

What a waste of space wrote on Apr 15, 2008 12:07 PM:are the ignorant rants of the open border league. None have a legitimate argument, ever.

What a waste? wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:21 PM:Your comment reminds of a schoolyard chant that perhaps may be salient given your insightful and sage comment:

I am rubber and you are glue
What you say bounces off me
and sticks to you

There. I am glad that we were able to condense this rather complicated issue to only two succinct facts.