Umm.. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:20 AM:This is just too funny. Those signs were there forever and they finally build the thing.. typical "money church".

ironic wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:37 AM:guess this time " God didn't provide". Didn't they PRAY HARD ENOUGH?

Vista Granny wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:56 AM:I watched those signs also - and hated the thought of something being built there. Goodness knows we have enough "evangelical" churches to go around here in North County. "Mega" churches are kind of a fad now, aren't they?

To Umm and ironic wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 AM:How can you say such things about a church...that just isn't right.

John wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:11 AM:Now THIS is FUNNY! AMEN! A church getting foreclosed on! LOL! Now the county can get some tax-revenue out of whatever non-religious source that buys the building, and can actually PAY what it's fair share of property tax!

Randy wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:14 AM:No one wants to lend money to a church because no one wants the bad publicity later when they foreclose on a church.

To Ironic wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:50 AM:I will forgive you for your comments. Jesus died for your sins too. One day I hope you find the Lord, until them I will pray for you. God bless you.

Have faith wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:56 AM:Umm and ironic, the strength of a church is not measured by its pastor and every pastor knows that. The strength lies in the unity of the congregation's faith and the commitment and involvement of every member.

Unfortunately, members of Ambassador felt compelled to leave their church at a difficult time for their own pastor. They need to remember that the pastor is not God and that he is also a man. As such, we are all imperfect. You cannot question whether he had the commitment to make his marriage work and that his wife might have simply given up.

Regardless, I'm sure they prayed and as all Christians know, God answers in his own time and within His purpose for us.

With that, I'm sure there will be many other Christians who read this and will pray for both Umm and ironic that one day you might find Christ and declare Him your savior.

And, no, I'm not a pastor; and yes, I do attend a mega church in O'side and am proud of it.

To Have Faith and others. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:27 AM:If you did not attend AFC than you do not know the truth!!! It is sad that Barry Cook will allow God to become a mockery in this situation. Barry Cook as well us those of us who left the church, and those who still attended know the truth! I would hope that Barry Cook would tell the truth about the reason our church crumbled. Believe me we prayed hard enough but God will never restore an unrepentant person.

So that I may Know him wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:59 AM:To those of you that have nasty comments to say about this church closure. I pray that you may know him. An unconditional love from the Lord. Our protector. I pray that you may know what the Lord can be. I pray that the Holy Spirit enters into you so you may step out of the Darkness and into the light. I pray that you ask for forgiveness for your sins and begin to serve the Lord.

Former Ambassador wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:11 AM:God is not responsible for this! The people who left the church are not responsible for this! The person who is responsible for this and the destruction of so many lives is Pastor Barry Cook, I mean Barry Cook. He is going to pay a big price for the lies and deception, God will not be mocked.

Faith Minded wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:17 AM:I think we hear what we want to believe because it makes our decision making easier. I feel bad for a man who some think is unjust and lacks repetence, but the only proof is hearsay. Where are the pictures of such events? Where is documentation?

And because of those judgements, the pastor has to PROVE himself because he is guilty before proven innocent. I thought we lived in a world where were innocent until proven guilty. People have already condemned him and they are Christian.

Foreclosure, building, no building, it doesn't matter, people will be saved and many will be added to the Kingdom. The God I know redeems, restores and renews. Based on evidence, I believe, this pastor is innocent and the enemy has tried to shut him down.

Hey Fair Minded wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:44 AM:Where have you been? Don't you know that in society today one is guilty and must prove their innocence! It used to be the other way around but it is not like that any more. You are staunchly defending this man and I admire you for that. I don't know what the allegations are but you ask if "there are pictures of such events". I find their is always some truth to hearsay. I wish the North County Times would get to the bottom of this. I think it must be a very juicy story.

The bickering righteous wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:06 AM:So you god fearing people can't decide if it was the pastor who is wrong or the congregation that left. Why don't you point fingers at each other that should help? You guys act so righteous to the non believers because you know you are saved and they are not.

This is why I left the church when I was young because it’s always the people who act the most righteous that are sinning the most.

What about the children in Darfur. They don’t have the ability to pray and make the situation better. They need your help to survive but you would rather sit outside an abortion clinic or protest gay marriage.

Its comments like: One day I hope you find the Lord, until them I will pray for you. God bless you. You sound a bit righteous here but you are most likely as big a sinner as Ironic or Umm but since you asked for forgiveness you are going to heaven.

I’ll speak to you in words you should understand. Judge NOT, that you be not judged.

Faith Minded wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:21 AM:You're right, there is truth to hearsay. The truth of one's own perception. Just because it is said doesn't mean it actually happened though. We are inundated with media about hearsay and Hollywood stars based on a writer's pereption of truth. Reality is, God knows everything. We must be joking to think that we do and we should condemn based on our own understanding. You are right about our society, I think it's sad that all the work that our ancestors did to provide an America full of freedom and innocent until proven guilty has now led up to these types of situations. God have mercy on us all.

Peace to you wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:29 AM:One thing to say to this Pastor:
If my people who are called by My name will humble themselves and pray and TURN from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and heal their land. I pray God will protect this congregation from sin and that Pastor Barry Cook will repent if necessary. God wants to heal our land. The entire church of the living God is under attack not just Pastor Barry.

O. T. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:36 AM:It is interesting that people believe that a building represents someones success or failure. We have all experienced situations or read stories in the Bible and history where something at first seemed like a failure on the surface and then turned out to be the very thing God used to turn things around.

We know that the church of the living God is made of the assembly of believers joined together in unity.

Although, AFC, is going through a situation with their building here are the facts of how the Spirit of God have been moving in the church:

1. Weekly on Sunday services people are coming up to the altars and repenting of sins and getting saved.
2. People are getting filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
3. People are getting healed in their bodies.
4. People are being delivered of demonic oppression and strongholds.
5. There is a fresh and renewed commitment and loyalty from the members towards the things of God and service in the house of God.
6. Teams of leaders in the church have taken responsibility and have been experiencing renewal, revival and releasing strong dynamic preaching.
7. Every Saturday, AFC members have been going into 3 neighborhoods (Super Sabado) in Oceanside and ministering to the children there for over 5 years. Kids are learning how to respect authority, be obedient to their parents etc. In addition, they are being saved, healed and filled with the Holy Spirit.

Jesus is alive and well at AFC! He deserves all the credit! We are excited about what God is doing and we are keeping our eyes on Christ!

And, if you would like to see some clips of the power of God in demonstation go to youtube and you will see posting from the service and Super Sabado.

Umm.. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:39 AM:Let me get this straight.. 3/4ths of the congregation bolts? Sorry if you believe that a major majority is wrong. They saw through the "money" church and went elsewhere. Come on, this is a joke, right? Yes, we all fall down, but .. for someone that says they have a doctorate in many things related, among them, "church growth" and preached financial recovery seminars, leadership, marriage and family counseling.. people saw right through all the amplifiers, microphones and loud speakers that were formulated to flow money in and the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude, and they bolted for greener pastures. Now we're stuck with this eye soar on the nice rolling hillside. Would you take your car to a mechanic who drives a smoking heap?

Sinner wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 AM:Just another form of an organized religion taking it's followers money and wasting it. Hopefully one day these "christians" will wake up and realize the truth about their dogma and the real reason behind it.....

More to this story for sure. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 11:09 AM:"Stress created by those complications led to the failed marriage of Pastor Barry Cook, the release states, and that gave rise to further rumors and discontent." Definately more to this story.

Arrogance wrote on Apr 29, 2008 11:34 AM:I though God was all knowing and all seeing - so how can these people be so arrogant as to predict how God will act and what he will do? Righteousness only scratches the surface! It's people like this that affirm my belief that there is no God, and that religion, at it's worst, is a haven for scoundrels, thieves, and scaliwags!

Divine wrote on Apr 29, 2008 11:42 AM:"In response to questions Monday, the church's media director, Joseph Bradfield, issued a two-page press release saying that the church's financial problems stemmed in part from rising construction costs and a PLUNGE IN ATTENDANCE THAT BEGAN WHEN THE PASTOR'S MARRIAGE FAILED." What does Joseph Bradfield know about this situation? When did he join the church?Once again I feel we are being lied too. It sounds like a cover up to protect Barry Cook. Where are all the church members now? Why the plunge in attendance. People in the church get divorced every day and church doors do not close. What are we not being told? The truth should be known.

Geez People wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:10 PM:Give the man a break already. Why must we know this man's personal business. If you all believe in God than I think God is better at taking revenge against people than we are. I think the humiliation that Barry Cook is suffering right now with losing his church building it pretty difficult to handle. Why do we need to know the details just as "La Tour, with the credit union, said it was "an extreme rarity" for his company to foreclose on a church." I guess God does work in mysterious ways.

Rev Angry wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:28 PM:The problem is they didn't dig DEEEP enough into their pockets. G*d & prayer had nothing to do with this. Lost faith is what we have here.

Rico wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:31 PM:That's what this church gets for putting image ahead of substance. Just plain sad.

Got News wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:36 PM:This monstrous building has nothing to do with God! This thing dragged on in construction so long it was inevitable that a foreclosure was in the offing! God does not make bad financial deals with lenders. The Church Finance Committee just used poor judgement and kept using it. Mr La Tour and fellows just are not equipped to see the real light! 1000 people could not support those mortgage payments. The Credit Union will recoup and the rest of the congregation should go back to a tent revival scenario where money won't matter! 6 figure Pastors are doing alright all of the City! I want that job! And, my wife can run the books!

Have Faith wrote on Apr 29, 2008 12:49 PM:I don't need to know Barry Cook, but I do know one thing as a Christian... that being that it's not my responsibility to judge him.

Pride comes before the fall wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:04 PM:This is a simple case of PRIDE. This guy was a power hungry man who wanted a big church and then he lost his focus. Nothing good comes out of greed, and pride. I feel sorry for those people who invested money is this failure. It would be interesting to know the behind the scenes story.

MOR TO THIS STORY FOR SURE wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:18 PM:There is definitely more to this story! So sad. I feel bad for the congregation. This may be a good story for the newspaper to follow up on. You will get many comments on it for sure!

When wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:26 PM:When did Jesus say "build me a 5.6 million dollar church"? I guess Jesus wants the pastors and preachers on T.V. and in the Mega Churches to be millionaires.... Jesus doesn't need your money... humans do... and as pointed out they are flawed.

Joshua wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:43 PM:You religious types are so lame! My goodness.

year AFC Veterian wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:48 PM:Regardless of the status of our building or the allegations of sins of our pastor, there are still people at AFC that are serving God reguardless. What you fail to understand is that we do not come to church for Barry, or for any other leader at AFC. We come to church to serve God and advance His kingdom. Its not about a church or a man, its about hearing Gods voice and being obedient. So until God tells my family otherwise, AFC is where we will be.

So lets say all the rumors are true, who can say that he has not repented to God and the parties involved. None of us has any right to judge this situation that only God can judge. All I know is, as long as there are people at AFC hungry for Gods presence and His will, God will always supply. So whether at the building or back in a wharehouse, Gods work will still be done through the ministry of AFC.

Osideloco wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:50 PM:I pray that all the members of this church continue to seek God and find a new place to worship. All are welcome at New Song Community Church.

Friar Shuck wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:55 PM:Seems the Easter Bunny in the sky is punishing these people for building such a butt ugly building.

HaHa wrote on Apr 29, 2008 2:05 PM:What's next......a lien on Heaven?

AmISurprised wrote on Apr 29, 2008 2:07 PM:Heck no. I saw a few "sermons" by this "pastor" on local access cable and, lawdy, lawdy, it was obvious even to a little-ole-heathen like me that this was a money-making scam. The congregation, bless every one of them, was probably sincere in their beliefs, but how easy it is to lead true believers astray. Didn't anybody read "Elmer Gantry," a book that was published more than half a century ago? Mega-church, schmega-church. Might as well believe in the tooth fairy.

To year AFC Veterian wrote on Apr 29, 2008 2:28 PM:Are you trying to say One Year AFC Veteran? So does that mean you have been at AFC for 1 year? "Gods work will still be done through the ministry of AFC." What part of foreclosure do you not understand? I think the services will be held in Warehouse because the church is gone!!!! "So lets say all the rumors are true,(they are) who can say that he has not repented to God and the parties involved.(he has not repented. I guess we can ask Vince Limon if he has repented to him. None of us has any right to judge this situation that only God can judge. You are right we have no right to judge and you have no right to judge me because I left Ambassador because I was disgusted.

Nobodys judging you wrote on Apr 29, 2008 3:40 PM:Why would you think that the AFC veteran was judging you? I don't see anywhere in this person's statements where anybody in particular was judged. Taking it a little personally, aren't we?

But quoting and saying that that the rumors are true, you've judged. Romans is a good book on judgement. Not only talking about not judging others but the repercussions if we do. Again, we will make account for our own actions but Romans also talks about causing another to stumble because you have judged another. The best thing anybody can do is cast all our care upon Him and seek Him and His Kingdom first.

And I happen to know the person who posted the Year Veteran post and she has been at AFC longer than you ever were. Something obviously went wrong with the post. Even in the hardest times of her life, she was faithful to God, even when she didn't know it. So, it seems you are trying to judge somebody when you don't even know them, and the bible tells us to know those who labor among us. If you've judged her so quickly, how long did you judge those at AFC before you decided to leave? No disrespect intended but if you've left, then leave it be and move on with you're life, which I'm sure you're proud of since you seem to have got so much better since leaving AFC.

Finally, if I've caused anybody to get upset, hurt, or anything of the such in this, please accept my sincerest apologies and I repent to you before-hand, since I know that some will read and get upset, or hurt, or mad, or maybe, just maybe, happy. But, to be perfectly honest, Jesus himself probably cause more people to feel these feelings than we can possibly imagine.

But, please, I plead with all those involved, pray, seek God, lean on Him, and whatever He tells you, obey! Many of us at AFC are doing our very best to do so and obviously, in a time like this, it can be difficult, with faith can overcome all these situations.

Jesus Died For Us All!

Christ be Exalted wrote on Apr 29, 2008 3:42 PM:The people that attend currently and used to attend AFC have done so much for the residents of Oceanside, celebrations, giving of food, clothing, prayer, love to name a few. This is all because the people love Christ and want to do what He said we are suppose to do. A building or man does not change Christ nor what He has called us as believers to do. Can we join together around Christ, let His name and the works He continues to do be plastered all of the newspapers!

To O.T. wrote on Apr 29, 2008 3:48 PM:God is moving everywhere!!! Signs, wonders, salvation, infilling of the Holy Spirit and so on why should I go to a church that is mediocre? Do what you do if you are so sure that what you are doing is right why do you feel the need to explain yourself? Be confident and ready in season and out of season. Do your thing but don't try to justify your pastor. Just don't let him lay hands on you, you know all about the transference of spirits, right? Let me ask was there a problem with sexual immorality or adultery in your church?

jol wrote on Apr 29, 2008 3:49 PM:No he has not repented to V.L.!
V.L. forgave him instead.
And was up with the DNA test????

To year AFC veteran wrote on Apr 29, 2008 4:14 PM:The evidence that Mr.Cook has repented for his sin that has hurt sooooo many people would be evident to those that he hurt. Who has he repented to? We were always taught that you will know them by thier fruit, right? The leaders (puppets) at AFC are still telling lies to the members and their families. Stinky "fruit" as far as I can tell. Signed, 7 year former AFC member

Oh brother wrote on Apr 29, 2008 4:36 PM:Come on folks. This isn't about religion..it's about dollars and sense and following a realistic budget. Duh.

Reality Check wrote on Apr 29, 2008 5:12 PM:Enough already, this run of spiritual, emotional manipulation and abuse by this Pastor and his hand-picked group of front men is over. How and why they find themselves in this situation at this time is irrelevant now. If you are a former member of this cult, be thankful you are free. Locate a true place of worship and get family counseling if you need it. If you are still there.....Get out, leave, do not look back. There is no shame in leaving an abusive situation. No, the church is not the building however, the current 'leaders of AFC are not the only spiritual leaders in North County. One question from the YouTube videos, Do you have to be bald-headed to become an in-house preacher at AFC? I am not trying to be funny, it just appears that the young men doing the preaching are trying to look like the Pastor. (the exception being skin color) Last advise for the last few members AFC leadership....TAP OUT, tap out with a little bit of grace so your members will not be embarrassed when the doors are locked, they can't get in and you are no where to be found. Set your PRIDE aside and do the right thing, TAP OUT!

REA wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:07 PM:6 YEAR AFC VET
TAKE YOU'R EYES OFF MAN!!!!
AND PUT YOU'R EYES ON GOD !!!!!
FOR WE HAVE ALL SINNED AND FALL SHORT

AAA wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:43 PM: A.A.A REA- I WAS GOING THEIR LOT LONGER THAN YOU.
BARRY IS A DECEIVER/LIAR. YOU ALL NEED TO REALIZE LOTS OF GOOD FAMILIES AND PEOPLE INCLUDING MYSELF GOT EXTREAMLY HURT AND THIS MAN AND HIS CREW MADE ALL OF US FEEL LIKE WE WERE THE CRAZY SINNERS. NOW DO YOU REALLY THINK GOD WOULD LET THIS GO ON MUCH LONGER?? THE PROOF IS BEFORE ALL OF US.

makes me wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:55 PM:glad I am pagan! I can worship right at home.

former afc member now free wrote on Apr 29, 2008 7:58 PM:They will be known by their fruit. God sets one in authority and removes. Looks like he is in control. To O.T. I was once brain washed like you believing that all other churhces are inferior. It is this eliteism that creates cultish behavior. There are many genuine believers who love and preach Christ. Since when did God give AFC a corner on the market. There are other churches in North County being used by God. The vision of the church shall seek harmony with those who love Christ and His community. Unfortunately Barry has always caused a seperation with other churches in this community. The only ones he would connect with were the ones that would submit to him. WOW! He was once offered an invintaion to speak at Life Church in Escondido back in 1998. He spoke to their bible students. After speaking he commented to afc members "I wanted to see how many of their members were supposed to be our people". WHAT! The foreclosure of the building is a natural tool God has used to set in place his rightful leaders

Sadden but not hopeless wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:08 PM:Pastor Barry and his teachings were a great influence in my life for 8 years. And it is difficult to hear the talk against This Man of God. But at the same time wrong is wrong. I will not bring his choices up because he is a man and he is held responsible for his actions as I am for leaving. The lost of the building is a result of bad money choices by leadership and anything else that happened falls on all of us. No, we did not make him do what he did. But we didn't stop him either.We were not a true friend or brother to this man or his wife. So I say Look to remove the Log in your own eye, before you take the straw out of your brothers. I thank God for what AFC did for me while I was there. And I continue to pray for those that remain. For those who choose to leave, such as myself, MOVE ON! Let go of the anger and hate. We will be know by our love and right now I am not hearing any. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. It is sad to see the situation as is but there is always hope for those who remain dilegent and faithful IN and TO CHRIST.

No weapon formed wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:38 PM:Bretheren who has bewitched you? We are all saved by Jesus through Faith not by our works or our own righteousness. It is the faith in Christ that Pastor Barry and AFC members have that make us righteous. God is a God of Mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgement. God loves Pastor Barry and AFC. He hates the Spirit of Religion that comes to kill people and the move of God. I pray that God will soften and heal your heart. We all need to stop making excuses, Stop cursing each other, Preach the Gospel and Love, Love, Love one another.

Only One Foundation wrote on Apr 29, 2008 8:42 PM:Our opinions don't matter...only the Word of the Living God can judge. His Word will not return to Him empty, but it accomplishes what it was sent to accomplish.

1 Corinthians 3:10-15
God was kind and let me become an expert builder. I laid a foundation on which others have built. But we must each be careful how we build, because Christ is the only foundation. Whatever we build on that foundation will be tested by fire on the day of judgment. Then everyone will find out if we have used gold, silver, and precious stones, or wood, hay, and straw. We will be rewarded if our building is left standing. But if it is destroyed by the fire, we will lose everything. Yet we ourselves will be saved, like someone escaping from flames.

Changes wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM:You may think that AFC has an elitism mentality, but that is inaccurate... maybe of days past but not anymore. There are plenty of churches in our community that are living and moving with God and we are happy for them.

Also, if you seem to think "Unfortunately Barry has always caused a seperation with other churches in this community." However, did he not open his own pulpit and invite other pastors in the area to preach, even when other churches would not. Didn't he push to have the churches unite and have united services before, even had Mayor Dick Lyon speak at one of these services. Again, inaccuracies that by the actions of AFC themselves have proven they are moving to unite the body of Christ, not divide it with rumors, slander and gossip like what they have come under. Yeah, yeah, so what if it's all true, where is the forgiveness that Jesus instructed us all to walk in? If you don't agree, then simply move on and leave AFC in God's hands!

Holy Stuff wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:37 PM:This group is a total revival taken place on the blogs! Hallelulia Folks! Don't forget to pass the plate or is a 55 gal drum! They be needen a major revolution to get straight with everyone they know! Whole bunch of lien down and lying about goin on here bouts! Shame on yall! Now who will fill those 6 figure shoes who is good nough to suit yall?Breathern, I hear a rock song commin on! Or is that a rock being thron?

To all yall wrote on Apr 29, 2008 9:42 PM:All yall who have personally lead 5 people to the lord not brought them to church, not prayed for them at the altar but out in the world in the last year say I. The rest of yall shut up.

To all yall wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:05 PM:All yall who have personally lead 5 people to the lord not brought them to church, not prayed for them at the altar but out in the world in the last year say I. The rest of yall shut up and get to work.

Enuf Lies wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:09 PM:Enuf people have been hurt. Enuf people still believe in the lies and so more will be hurt - sad, but true. God will restore those that repent. I have yet to hear of repentance from the lies spoken from the pulpit, of the repentance for the adultery, of the repentance for the control and manipulation... the list goes on - but enuf already! If repentance ever comes, it will be heartfelt and made known to all. Until then, I'm not holding my breath.
Move on and let God be God and watch and see what He will do in YOUR lives in the aftermath of the destruction. One day every knee will bow - that was preached a LOT at AFC. Funny how now it's coming back to the one who preached those very words.
ENUF already - believe the truth, run from the lies. EASY to say, tough to do, but worth doing! Leave the liar to the lies. Be FREE in Christ, people. It's wonderful!

God chose the foolish things to shame the wise wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:23 PM:The foreclosure of the building isn't a result of the leadership or judgement from God. All AFC members had a mandate from God for this Church. We all prayed for this building and made a commitment to finance it. Even though our names were not on the mortgage, some chose to walk out on their commitment and investment in the kingdom of God. I have went through a situation in my own life, where it looked like God destroyed my entire family and people from the outside couldn't see the marvelous work God was doing through my family. When it was all over God restored, the people were in awe, and God got the glory.

SAD wrote on Apr 29, 2008 10:41 PM:When it is a fact that you have been lied to, what does it take to move you on? Where is the trust? What do you have left to hold on to? WHY STAY and defend and justify the lies and the liar?
After being out of there and having time to recoup, I am so happy there is only one God and His name is not BC. He tried to make everyone feel as if he was God, and we all knew better but continued to be 'ok' with it all (put up and shut up) - the anger, fear, all of the mind games to shut us up and feel as tho we were always wrong and had some sort of devil if we disagreed with the 'apostle'!
I follow God and God alone, and will never again be under the tyrannical leadership of an egotistical man who is only trying to prove a point to his father that he won't fail.
To all of those I personally hurt, I truly apologize and as for your forgiveness. My life is completely different now and will never be what it was at AFC. My kids are still struggling with the 'why's" and more importantly have not yet to this day been able to trust. We are all held accountable to God for what we have done to others and one day it will come full circle...
There is so much to say about the ridiculous teachings, thought processes, FEAR that was continually instilled and not to mention the other little secrets kept by those who just haven't spoken up about their experiences (and some shouldn't).
Too bad we all once knew each other but will now be forever separated because of the lies of a man who thought he was some kind of 'modern day apostle'. Pity, but we all witnessed the birth of a cult.
As others have said, RUN and get out of there if you are still at AFC. Not everyone would have left like we all did had we been 'believing a devil'. This time, it's TRUTH we are believing. Get out now and hold your head up high. Don't worry about admitting what you have been involved in. Time and God will heal all of that. Suck up the pride and RUN from the wicked ways. Stop believing the lie. You are worth more than that!

All wrote on Apr 29, 2008 11:43 PM:"This time, it's TRUTH we are believing. Get out now and hold your head up high. Don't worry about admitting what you have been involved in. Time and God will heal all of that. Suck up the pride and RUN from the wicked ways. Stop believing the lie. You are worth more than that!"

it seems that u are implying all those @ AFC do u think all those attending are now saying lies what if God is telling them to stay what if they feel led to stay despite all the drama what if they're still being fed, growing, bringing others to salvation, impacting the Kingdom of Heaven, and most of all, the presence of God is with them since ur no longer attending, u wouldn't know if these things were taking place would u but, I wouldn't put it past u to have spies in "your" enemies camps.

El Jefe wrote on Apr 30, 2008 12:11 AM:Enough already! All these self-righteous folk who indulge this bad behavior time after time & keep coming back for more. Bunglers! If you are really believers this is nothing to be proud of & does not hold you in good stead in the eyes of this community. Especially the non-believers! Where was the discerning spirit & wisdom these believers profess to possess? Why did it fail them? Your self righteous words are meaningless & ineffective to doubters & non-believers because your criticism should directed at your own group. It should be expected that non-believers are enjoying this but you add fuel to the fire when you claim to be praying for them when it is obvious that your missing something yourselves.
You should be praying for yourselves & asking your God to staighten you out & lead you in the right path if that is even possible at this point in your lifes. Under the circumstance why should any non-believer trust your prayers for them when you can't deal with the failure you are now manifesting to the community? What you really need is self examination, introspection & hope you grow & mature enough to read the warning signs in the future. Shame on you!

What Say You wrote on Apr 30, 2008 12:22 AM:Wow, this has been very educational, with striking similarities to the FLDS scandal in TX.
In both cases we never see the 'real leadership', step up and take responsibility for their roles in this mess. All you hear are excuses.
I passed by the church today and noticed the vehicles of BC, RW & CS in the parking lot.
Strange because in the press release from AFC, Joe states that for more information on the church finances, the 'leaders' would not be available until next week.
Sounds like a stall tactic to me. In TX the FLDS men are hiding behind and underneath the skirts of their wives and underage rape victims.
In Oceanside, Barry & the hypnotist crew of his now boldly 'man-up' and hide behind a press release from the youngest member of the staff.
Does anyone really believe that Joe wrote that bogus press release on his own?
Does anyone really believe that the Executive Minister (RW) would allow anyone else but himself to speak to the media about AFC?
Joe... looks like you're being set up to take the fall, watch your back.
To current members, have faith, there are options without drama, in no set order: North Coast Church, Faith Temple, New Venture, New Vision, etc.
There are true Christians in North County who are praying for the innocent members of AFCs' spiritual & emotional well-being as this business enterprise is being dismantled right before our very eyes. A Sad Situation.

Truth wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:22 AM:BC did cause seperation with other churches. Remember the so called "Unity Nights" when we were all sent out to other chuches to "visit?" One night we all bet back at my house with the people who were put in charge of the "effort." We were asked to give comments on all of the negative stuff we saw. We refused and only spoke positively about the church we visited in Oceanside. I also told one of the Associate Pastors at AFC that I had sent a thank you note to the pastor of the church we visited. I was asked why I would do that since the pastor was a "Queen Bee" and that she had hurt a lot of people. Unity yeah right. The thief was coming through the window to steal, kill and destroy. We never went out with that crew again.

Keep coming with all the lies. There are many who can testify to the truth.

Truth wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:48 AM:To what say you: Exactly. You hit the nail on the head.

Here IT IS wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:34 AM:it took some searching but here it is

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CHURCH REBOUNDING
DESPITE PENDING FORECLOSURE

1. Ambassador Family Church located at 1602 S. El Camino Real has recently begun to rebound after experiencing several years of decline resulting from the challenges of building their new facility.
2. Pastor and Mrs. Barry Cook along with a group of Bible School students founded the church in 1995 which grew to 800 members. As one of the fastest growing churches in Southern California, they rented and leased space prior to building their new building which was projected to be completed within 18 months.
3. Through a series of unexpected events, the cost of the building rose far above their original estimates. Conflicts with building contractors, unexpected city requirements, rising interest rates, time delays and law suits with noncompliant contractors all took its toll.
4. The impact of it all created a continual environment of stress as well as the pressures of ministry which further taxed the Pastor and eventually ended with the failure of their marriage.
5. When the marriage failed it gave room to speculations of infidelity and rumors which began to circulate, further impacting not only Pastor Cook but many of the leaders who had grown weary of the long and drawn out battle. The loss of their leaders added to the loss of confidence in many of the church members and a decline began until the church was down to about 200 members.
6. After consulting with several of his mentors Pastor Barry invited several outside seasoned ministers to come in and help them to somehow recover. After losing his marriage and many of the members and leaders in the church, its founding Pastor wanted to resign but knew that it could result in the church not being able to recover. Suffering depression and continuing on has been the challenge of his life according to Cook.
7. When it looked as though a rebound wasn’t possible Barry Cook invited another minister who specializes in helping hurting churches to come and take oversight in an effort to recover. The results were immediate. Attendance along with income has stopped declining and has actually started to increase from 200 to 300 members.
8. AFC has since been notified of impending foreclosure. After talking with their leaders it was unanimously agreed that they would continue their ministry regardless of their foreclosure. Relocation may be what we have to do but we’re moving forward from here because we believe that we serve a God of second chances and impossible rebounds.
9. Pastor Cook is also taking the time to recover and receiving counseling and encouragement. The ministry is under the oversight and care of another Apostolic leader who is training a new AFC team and core group of leaders to move forward towards their original spiritual mandate.
10. “A rebound has begun and hopes are being renewed” says Ron Satrape the apostolic leader overseeing the ministry restoration of both the church and it’s Pastor. Revival has sparked a lot new growth and the long drawn out decline has finally been reversed. Ministry is moving more through the members of the church who are excited about their opportunity to make an eternal difference in the lives of people in their community.

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If you would like more information about this topic please call 760-722-7000 or email afc@ambassadorfamily.com

Here IT IS wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:36 AM:it took a little searching but here it is

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CHURCH REBOUNDING
DESPITE PENDING FORECLOSURE

1. Ambassador Family Church located at 1602 S. El Camino Real has recently begun to rebound after experiencing several years of decline resulting from the challenges of building their new facility.
2. Pastor and Mrs. Barry Cook along with a group of Bible School students founded the church in 1995 which grew to 800 members. As one of the fastest growing churches in Southern California, they rented and leased space prior to building their new building which was projected to be completed within 18 months.
3. Through a series of unexpected events, the cost of the building rose far above their original estimates. Conflicts with building contractors, unexpected city requirements, rising interest rates, time delays and law suits with noncompliant contractors all took its toll.
4. The impact of it all created a continual environment of stress as well as the pressures of ministry which further taxed the Pastor and eventually ended with the failure of their marriage.
5. When the marriage failed it gave room to speculations of infidelity and rumors which began to circulate, further impacting not only Pastor Cook but many of the leaders who had grown weary of the long and drawn out battle. The loss of their leaders added to the loss of confidence in many of the church members and a decline began until the church was down to about 200 members.
6. After consulting with several of his mentors Pastor Barry invited several outside seasoned ministers to come in and help them to somehow recover. After losing his marriage and many of the members and leaders in the church, its founding Pastor wanted to resign but knew that it could result in the church not being able to recover. Suffering depression and continuing on has been the challenge of his life according to Cook.
7. When it looked as though a rebound wasn’t possible Barry Cook invited another minister who specializes in helping hurting churches to come and take oversight in an effort to recover. The results were immediate. Attendance along with income has stopped declining and has actually started to increase from 200 to 300 members.
8. AFC has since been notified of impending foreclosure. After talking with their leaders it was unanimously agreed that they would continue their ministry regardless of their foreclosure. Relocation may be what we have to do but we’re moving forward from here because we believe that we serve a God of second chances and impossible rebounds.
9. Pastor Cook is also taking the time to recover and receiving counseling and encouragement. The ministry is under the oversight and care of another Apostolic leader who is training a new AFC team and core group of leaders to move forward towards their original spiritual mandate.
10. “A rebound has begun and hopes are being renewed” says Ron Satrape the apostolic leader overseeing the ministry restoration of both the church and it’s Pastor. Revival has sparked a lot new growth and the long drawn out decline has finally been reversed. Ministry is moving more through the members of the church who are excited about their opportunity to make an eternal difference in the lives of people in their community.

# # #

Wake Up AFC wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:45 AM:Let me see, Ambassador Bible College was a not what it was advertised to be. Never accredited and issued many counterfiet diplomas. Took members money, sold them on a fake institution and have never apologized or refunded course fees.
Amazingly overnight ABC is changed to Ambassador Leadership Institue by Ronald, once again claiming to be started by Barry, claiming to be accredited. It was nothing but a profit center. This info. is currently on the AFC website, listed under history.
How or why would a church Pastor try to pad his resume with a bona-fide lie. Why would his followers who know this is false still support this type of behavior?
Makes me wonder about Destiny publishing company who created Barrys last book. How much research did they put into his 'credentials'.
The same could be said about these mentor and oversight pastors being brought in to manage the church from the East coast. i wonder if they know this resume of Barrys is padded with fluff? Why is this important, you ask?
Bottom line folks if your pastor will lie, okay maybe that is too harsh. If your pastor would allow an untruth about something as small as a bible college or leader institute that does not exist, to be placed in his bag of accomplishments, he would lie about anything.
When it comes to leading Gods people there is no room for untruths, non, nada, zip. It is either true or untrue.... no middle ground. Barry should either be, all in or all out.
This shadow leadership thing that is being described as a 'healing time' for him is just a scam for sympathy.
What true Pastor would allow his members to be out here fighting for his image and reputation while he sits back, slipping in the back door of the church everyday except Wed. and Sunday still pulling the strings? Weak!!!
I do believe there will be a church at 1602 El Camino Real, just not this one. It's time to turn out the lights, the party is over.

I agree... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 8:10 AM:Well said... "What say you"!!

Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 8:27 AM:I was casted out of my family for being a drug abuser and stealing my father's death certificate, my mother even said she witnessed it! None of it was true. But the lies of enemy convinced my family, and to this day some people still believe the lies. Only God knows the truth and its been hard to accept why people chose to believe the deception.

From personal experience, I can say that Christians are the worst at judgement. I guess unless you have been through it, its easier to point the finger. The Bible says they would know Christians by their love. It's really hard to see that in people now.

We all receive the same grace in the measure we give.

This sounds NASTY wrote on Apr 30, 2008 8:38 AM:Sounds like some nasty stuff went down at that church. I hope they keep the same name so other hurting people will not get hurt in the same deceptive manner. It is to bad that this Pastor refuses to face the public with the truth. If he is tired of the rumors and speculation than he should squelch it once and or all!! I agree with the post above why does he have his members doing all the talking and defending? I know that if gossip, rumors or lies were being spread about me I would want to make it right and get the truth out there. I have only been a Christian for about 8 months but I do know one scripture that could help Barry Cook, the truth shall set you free. I think that is all the former members want is for him to tell the truth and face his actions. I do serve at my church as an usher, and I pay my tithe I would hope that if speculation arose or gossip began about my Pastor that he would set the record straight immediately. Pastor Barry Cook just needs to tell the truth.

I smell a rat wrote on Apr 30, 2008 8:50 AM:Who were the invited guest ministers? Jimmy Swaggart and Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker?

no longer a robot wrote on Apr 30, 2008 9:37 AM:To Believer... my heart goes out to you for what you have been through, at the same time LOVE does not mean staying a part of lies. That is one of the deceptive things preached there - asking people to remain "loyal" rather than have integrity. Isn't there more display of LOVE in truth, honesty, and integrity?

to rat wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 AM:Tammy Faye is dead.

Friends Romans Countrymen... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:26 AM:Give me a break!

I don't know any of the "Juice details" about scandal, pomp or circumstance. I was never a member of AFC, but I am a believer, and pray for Pastor Cook and the AFC family.

It's easy to mock or ridicule someone who fails, or while they're going through a tough time... It's a lot harder to put an arm around someone and stand WITH someone during a tough time. I choose to stand with the Cooks and the AFC family.

To the Cooks: I love you and believe in you and am praying for you. God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of Love.

To the AFF family: Be Strong in the Lord and in the Power of His might... Keep your eyes on Jesus and keep doing the work of the ministry.

HouseRebate wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:54 AM:Wow....although the business aspect seems logical, I bet it was a hard decision to foreclose on at church. We see many houses each week that are foreclosures, this is the first church I have heard of that has been foreclosed upon.

Lord have mercy wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:56 AM:Barry please humble yourself. God gives grace to the humble. Remember the "Grace Factor"! You wrote the book for heaven's sake. All this mess because you don't want to be truthfull. People are looking at you as an example of what a christian is... that is what you signed up for as a Pastor remember! Anyone who has common sense or anyone who stopped drinking the Koolaide can knows what has happened. How many people need to come forth with evidence before you admit what this whole mess really is about? Love God and his people (and yourself for that matter) enough to lay this to rest.

Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:06 AM:To no longer a robot - I still hold out that someday my family will love me unconditonally even though they look at me with lack of integrity and lies to things that didn't even happen. They are Christians and they turned on their own flesh and blood. People don't surprise me any more. I have learned that Love conquers all things, even when I feel like loving someone isn't worth my time because of what they have done to me or the things I have heard or even seen, I do it anyway, why? Because Christ told me to, He never gave conditions. He said above all else to love one another, we could change the way people look at our finger pointing if we just let God be God and followed the instructions He gave us. Everyone has an opinion, everyone has a judgement. I've been the root of judgements, it hurts, it condemns, it causes emotional wreckage. And I did nothing wrong. Love is unconditional. My position from my testimony on this will never change.

Never mind wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:07 AM:Wow, I wish I was a member of Ambassador Family Church. I would like to meet this guy Barry Cook looks like he really created a stir! Come on Barry Cook tell us what the real scandal is! Come on Barry Cook tell us what the secret is? It must be a good one since it is so guarded. Well on second thought I think I am better of never having stepped foot in that place.

Shame on Barry Cook wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:15 AM:You have brought an indictment on the Church! You have brought shame to the Body of Christ! You have brought reproach on the entire Christian community! I am disappointed in Barry Cook. I visited Ambassador Family Church on two occasions and always felt the power of God and now this I wonder what happened?

Bummer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:32 AM:Its a shame they couldn't make the mortgage. Knowing Oceanside it will soon become the west coasts largest 99-cent store, perhaps the nicest payday loan facility in the country.

Go Forward wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:36 AM:Heartbreaking about the foreclosure of the building. But we all knew this would happen if things were dealt the right way and not "swept" underneath the carpet! I was a member at AFC for over 10 yrs. So I know, all the different accusations written about are true. God is a God of second chance, but it does take repentance first. Barry needs to be sat and receive some therapy before he can continue to minister. I pray that another church takes that building, since it is a perfect location for the community of Oceanside. I was one of the "brainwashed" members, but I am free and very happy now! Enjoying my life more than ever! I have chosen to move forward and I pray that those still at AFC open up their eyes and get out of there! For those of you that don't think that Evangelism, Revival, & Reformation is not taken place in this community -you need to visit other churches -New Venture, New Vision, North Coast, Calvary Chapel, etc -to name of a few, these are all churches preaching Christ and winning souls for the kingdom of God. That is real fruit! They may not be perfect, but they are producing fruit and not all the drama AFC has been. Forget about all that mess about "mediocre" "user friendly" -these are religious terms that people have created to keep you bound. The religous folk are those preaching against the "religious spirits" -Come on people, search your hearts before you preach against all these principalities -these spirits live inside of you! Can somebody please stop the madness! The promises over that building and land will still come to pass with or without AFC. These primises belong to this land and not to an individual!

To Friends Romans Countrymen... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 12:15 PM:You do not know of what you speak!!! You expound a nice theory but it is not practical to those who have suffered through this. To Go Forward I agree with you. I pray for all those who were affected by this messy situation. I pray for the restoration of families. I covet the salvation of those destroyed by this who may have lost their faith because of the actions of this man. Peace be with you all.

Salt Light wrote on Apr 30, 2008 12:55 PM:Message to Here it Is... Just a little correction to your numbers of attendance on Sunday. I walked in this past Sunday for Service and there was about 100 people in the service.... Give or take... I dont think it was 300... Please get the facts straight for the public.. God Bless!

To friends Romans countrymen wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:10 PM:It's one thing to stand WITH someone through trial, but we don't need to allow ourselves to be abused in the name of "standing by someone" or being a "loving person".

unfortunate but not unexpected wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:39 PM:There is no shortage of ridicule or chastisement here, to be sure. Those of us who spent any significant time in this ministry know that there is great credence to everything being said. There was once such great promise in that house and I miss it so. But with that being said, let's all remember that Job received healing (and reclaimed all his wealth) after he began to pray for the very people who had cursed him. Talk about Barry Cook if you still need to, some say it's therapeutic. But in the next breath, lift him up before our Lord, that he'd be able to walk out all that God had laid out for him.

To Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:46 PM:"I was casted out of my family for being a drug abuser and stealing my father's death certificate, my mother even said she witnessed it!" Why would you want your father's death certificate? "None of it was true. But the lies of enemy convinced my family" who is the enemy? The sentence I agree with you on is "Only God knows the truth and its been hard to accept why people chose to believe the deception." Why do you want to believe Barry Cook's deception? "From personal experience, I can say that Christians are the worst at judgement." You got that right and all you have to do is take a look in the mirror. "The Bible says they would know Christians by their love." The bible says alot more than that!!!! Like Pastors will be held accountable at higher standard by God. Perhaps it is really hard to see the love in people now because they are so frustrated and angry. In closing you are again correct "We all receive the same grace in the measure we give." Careful there my sister.

to so that I may know him... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 1:56 PM:some of the comments you are calling "nasty" are TRUTH... yes it is unfortunate, but the THRUTH isn't always pretty. would you rather hear the UGLY TRUTH or a PRETTY LIE? Someone sharing the truth (even if it's ugly) doesn't qualify them as someone who doesn't know Jesus - actually they probably know him pretty well.

To Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 2:14 PM:Hmmm you sound like someone that may have caused a lot of the turmoil in AFC. Stand up and defend truth -not deception. God will not be mocked.

To to so that I may know him... wrote on Apr 30, 2008 2:18 PM:You are right I would rather have the truth!!! If a Pastor refuses to tell the truth than I wonder which direction the church is headed. You are right about the assumption some are making here. Just because someone shares the truth does not make them bad. I think rather if one lies and does not share the truth they are bad, I guess in this case that says much about Barry Cook.

Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 2:20 PM:My mother thought I was trying to steal my dad's insurance money. I felt at the time that the enemy was trying to oppress me from moving forward into my calling. I had MERSA and it seemed I was about to lose everything, even my life.

I don't understand why you are accusing me of judgement by telling me to look in the mirror. This sounds harsh, but possible that's not how you meant it.

I believe for myself that we are each accountable for serving God whole-heartedly, BC has nothing to do with how I serve God in or out of a church. I am accountable for my own heart and how I treated people. I don't "follow" any one person, I only follow Christ. My faith is not based on a man, but on what Jesus has done for me and how He has delivered me. I can't get caught up in the ways of this world, I feel it would take me off the purpose God set for me.

to so that I may know him wrote on Apr 30, 2008 2:22 PM:Please stop your "self righteous" attitude. making people feel that they don't know HIM because they speak "nasty" about your church. Stop defending your church, and begin to live & defend Christ. BC is not your God, AFC is not your God -so stop defending them, defend Christ. I agree with the previous comment, someone who speaks the UGLY TRUTH may know HIM pretty well. I wish everyone at AFC would wake up and smell the coffee and get sound in your mind. Many people in there are "burdened" and once they leave that place -experience such freedom. Wow! How sad to say, leaving a church brought so much freedom to my household! Best decision I've made -other than receiving Christ!

Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 3:03 PM:"You sound like someone that may have caused a lot of turmoil at AFC. Stand up and defend truth and not deception, God will not be mocked."

Seriously, is this comment for real?

It's not even surprising any more. Sure why not, blame me for some turmoil that I have "possibly" caused. Christ was crucified over lies, we should all strive to be more like Him right? How about you blame me and I will love you anyway?

To Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 5:47 PM:don't worry about that some people are just using this as an opportunity to try and tear a church that is still bringing many people to the Lord. I just find it funny that you came on here to use your situation as an analogy and others are using it as another opportunity to continue to attack those who may defend this church or offer another perspective other than their own.

To Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 6:59 PM:Believe in Jesus. Honor God. Love the Lord. Respect your Pastor, but don't be lulled into a state of denial like so many who have posted on this forum. Barry Cook sounds like a real gem and I think he is getting what he deserves. Unfortunately you and others have to pay the price as well. God will not be mocked. What did he allegedly do? Do you know? Do you care?

To To Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:01 PM:What analogy? It was more like a confession. She will be restored because she is transparent before the God. The man Barry Cook is a deceiver and there is no good in him.

fire wrote on Apr 30, 2008 7:18 PM:Oh my Gosh!! why are all of you talking bad about Barry Cook. You have know idea the pain that his family and he himself has gone through by all the crap you talk. God has blessed his church so much. You act like you know everything concerning the situation. In fact I can bet you know nothing you are just saying your opinion as facts. I am sorry you got hurt, however we all have to move on and forgive and forget. Pastor Cook is not perfect he is only human. So please if you have a heart give him all the support you can, not cause you like him but because you care for the feelings of others. I personally can't wait to see how much God will bless him and prosper his ministry. Because if where him i would have given up, but he has God on his side, and with Him he won't loose.

TTB wrote on Apr 30, 2008 9:38 PM:okay, so yeah it may have been a confession but it's still a shame that Believer was attacked for confessing great christian way to handle that.

Believer wrote on Apr 30, 2008 9:38 PM:What confession? I did NOTHING wrong, wouldn't a confession mean that I actually DID the things I was accused of?

Wow, people really do want to believe the worst in others.

I'm glad I believe in a God that is all forgiving and all knowing, otherwise, the wolves would have eaten me up alive long ago.

I just wonder, how does it feel always seeing the worst in others?

stand up wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:47 PM:a man of the cloth must chooses to live a public life. Why was Barry's life been so secretive. His own leaders didn't even know where he lived. Now he is not making any public statements taking responsiblity. Yet we watch him hang out to dry an associate pastor during a Sunday morning service. Never once taking responsibilty for his own actions in the situation.We live in a forgiving nation. We serve a forgiving God. Humanity though does not tolerate being lied to. Look at the baseball steriod scandal. Andy Pettite took responsibilty for his HGH use and is alomost not heard of now in the media, yet many feel Roger Clemens has lied regarding his use and look at the media mess he is in now. All people want is the truth. No more secrets.

Blood on all of our hands wrote on Apr 30, 2008 10:58 PM:We are truly in the end times people. We need NOT to kill this man with our words; I'm sure HE KNOWS the catistrophic damage he's created. I'm sure he's seen this all spiral out of control before his eyes. We need to think about ourselves and our own walk with God, because WE ALL will stand in front of God and give an account for what we've done with our lives (whether good or bad) Pray for him, pray for his mind, pray he steps down and received proper council, pray for healing for all of the hurting people (including alot of you who are writing comments). Could you imagine if this man battles with thoughts of suicide? We will all be an accomplice and the blood will be on our hands too. Be careful people, search your own hearts and get healing from the Lord. There are alot of cruel people out there with alot of hurtful things to say. I'm sorry we are all sad by this, alot of us were lied to, etc. I pray for healing to this region and for healing to everyone whose been hurt. Remember, its by God's spirit that HE draws all man near. God Bless all of you who are hurts draw near to God, HIS yoke is easy, when we are weak, HE is made strong.

Its About Time wrote on Apr 30, 2008 11:15 PM:To Here it Is: Stop posting the contact information on here and yet no one can get a hold of anyone... I have tried numerous times to email a couple of people to get prayer requests and no one got back to me... Let me see- that was five months ago. I emailed back and still no response... I actually went on the website and got some email addies.... I even called the number you listed up here and no one answered... So, please stop posting the contact info when you know very well no one will be on the other side of that phone... thanks!

Fire - Im sorry but the pain and suffering was brought on by BC himself. Stop defending him... And please that is a pathetic reason you give..."he is only human"... yes, we are all humans... but it doesnt give him the right to screw everyone over... I was also one of those people that joined the Bible College that was offered.. Up to now, I never received a refund... Not one cent of what I paid...

If you are such close friends with BC, let him know that the TRUTH will set him free. Why carry all this burden? But that's okay, whatever he does in darkness will all be brought to light... Best believe... Have a great night...

walk in the light wrote on May 1, 2008 6:32 AM:Dangerous to mistakenly call the judgment of God a "religious spirit;" calling soulish fervor the power of God; prophesying things that people want to hear when God has not told you to say it; using the ways of the world to build a church; honoring the gifts of God over God Himself; trying to create His presence through fleshly means; worshiping man; hiding behind others and not confessing truth; thinking too highly of yourself; not being humble. God will not be mocked. He holds those in leadership to a higher standard. Demonizing everyone who leaves and not being willing to examine yourself is foolish. Judgment begins at the house of God. He is doing a purifying work in these last days. Recognize the Holy Spirit as He brings correction, and don't mistake Him for the work of the devil. Moses could not enter the promised land because he did not rightly represent God before the people; he allowed his emotions and anger free reign. David repented, but there were grave consequences to his sin with Bathsheba. Ichabod. Cry out for repentance and maybe God will have mercy on you. Terri Cook loves God and would never leave her husband and break up her family over stress. She is woman of the Word and would only divorce for the reason that is allowed. Many others who have left love Jesus and were horrified at the way He was misrepresented at AFC.

Wake Up AFC wrote on May 1, 2008 7:19 AM:To Walk in the Light,
Concerning your recent entry on 1 May 2008, at 6:38 AM:
Thank you so much for 'hitting a bullseye' with your entry this morning. Definitely one of the top messages on this page.
Believe me, I made a copy of it for posterity, once again thanks.

With Love wrote on May 1, 2008 7:36 AM:Please everyone we need to look at the situation with compassion and forgiveness for those remaining . Yes the Pastor is aware of what has happened and only he and God knows where his heart is now. As for those of us who made the choice to leave. Our Trust is in Christ not man, Yes we have been hurt, but only because our eyes were not on Christ. The definition of sin is missing the mark. We sin when we take our eyes of Christ and place it elsewhere. And we sin when all we can do is focus on what Pastor did or didn't do. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. What is it that you are speaking if you are only talking trash, Let it go, why hold on and continue dwelling in the past. Be angry but sin not. Gossip murmuring and backstabbing is sin. WE need to move on, How, read Proverb 3:5-8. Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths. Be not wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD, and turn away from evil. It will be healing to your flesh and refreshment to your bones.
(Pro 3:5-8 ESV)

It is sad to see the building go back to the bank. but it is what it is. we left and that is now the passed. so, press on towards the mark of the prize of the high calling in Christ. and look to Him from which our help comes from. Be encouraged that you out and hopefully walking in purpose and going forward always forward not being tossed to and fro.

To walk in the light wrote on May 1, 2008 7:48 AM:You are EXTREMELY accurate. Well put. AMEN!!!

to walk in the light wrote on May 1, 2008 9:20 AM:SPOT ON

to walk in the light wrote on May 1, 2008 9:57 AM:You don't know at all the reasons why barry and terri cook got divorce. May I ask have you ever made a mistake? Everyone has made mistakes so back off and look at yourself. How would you like it if you where struggling and everyone expected you to be perfect all the time and gossiped about you even when they didn't know anything. Analyze yourself and have a heart.

to Walk in the Light wrote on May 1, 2008 9:58 AM:Wow!!! Beautiful! I also just want to encourage everyone who has been hurt just like I was, the scriptures say that "love does not keep records of wrong." As humans, this is hard thing to do -but it is BIBLE. Anyway, I pray BC is healed completely for his salvation's sake and completely restored. I bless & release everyone who has wronged me and hurt me at AFC. I learned a valuable lesson in life that never again will I let a man or an organization control me. I now live free and continue to enjoy life more than ever before. It is a beautiful thing to not hold a grudge. Blessings.

Bold Faith wrote on May 1, 2008 10:09 AM:to walk in the light....bravo!!

Cant Believe wrote on May 1, 2008 3:01 PM:Can you believe that people are still coming together in a show of "support" of their mission. They must have some die-hards over there.

To Walk in the Light wrote on May 1, 2008 3:44 PM:Lot of the strong statements there.

Hopefully the measurement you are using is sound according to the Bible not just opinion. Because I guess, if it is, lets open it up for whatever anyone thinks. Oh! My bad, that's what's this blog is all about. Be careful though, for whatever you send out will come back to you.

Terri Cook does love God. And, unless you have specifically asked Terri and she responded to you there would be no way your comments could be verfiable (even if you believe "you know her"). It's kind of you (I can appreciate that) but still opinion.

Finally, if you felt that Jesus was misrepresented. I trust that you and all those who believe like you are exemplfying Him well by walking in love.

God Is in Control wrote on May 1, 2008 3:46 PM:Despite it all...and it may be hard to believe for some...but God is still with them.

Be a Man wrote on May 1, 2008 3:59 PM:Wherever two or more are gathered in my name there I am in the midst of them. God will always honor his word wherever it is spoken be it at AFC, any of the multitudes of churches in the area,the streets of o'side , anywhere. Nobody is questioning the integrity of God however we are questioning the integrity of Barry Cook. B.C claimes to be a leader in the church and this community so as members of the body and this comminity we are asking Barry Cook to stand and give an account for your actions,if nothing wrong has been done then you have nothing to fear but if there is truth to the allegations against you then be a man and speak the truth.

To Be a Man wrote on May 1, 2008 4:25 PM:I agree, If there is nothing to hide then why all the secrets. BC covered too much for CR -even if BC had done nothing wrong, he covered CR way too much! why?

To Be a Man wrote on May 1, 2008 4:42 PM:When lies, and rumors were thrown at Jesus...He didn't feel a need to defend Himself...He didn't speak a word. Maybe, He should be our example.

Cook wrote on May 1, 2008 4:44 PM:...YOU NEED TO DO THE HONORABLE THING - AND RESIGN. Let your congregation come back together under the leadership and a trus man of GOD! Remember, you are supposed to be a shepard and your ultimate responsibility is your flock - if you cause them to wander - you have defaulted on your responsibilty. Move on and give the keys to the kingdom back! By staying, you look like an egotistical cult leader. Can you honestly say God wants you to preside over the falling away of hundreds?

TO BE A MAN PM wrote on May 1, 2008 4:49 PM:Yes, Christ is our example. So then why did BC misrepresent VL in public and humiliated him to everyone he spoke to while CR was kept as a poor victim. She was no "poor victim" -she exemplified Mrs. JEZ to the point. I don't know, but the scriptures do say "an unbalanced scale is an abomination to God." And this entire situation was dealt very "unbalanced."

To Cook wrote on May 1, 2008 4:58 PM:Apparently...someone didn't notice that a team of leaders at AFC are leading the church under new refreshed leadership. The church is rebounding...PRAISE GOD!!!!

RE To Be A Man PM wrote on May 1, 2008 5:30 PM:I agree with the scripture. And, I think we should be careful to not allow eschewed interpretations to cause a faulty balance.

Unless, a transcript is availiable I believe that we would have to assigned anything said about this subject as opinion. In which cause, mines and yours would differ.

Truth wrote on May 1, 2008 5:38 PM:Jesus didn't retaliate, but He often gave an account for His works and teaching. He answered using scripture...The Word...His Word...His response.

Don't get it twisted.

Bold Faith wrote on May 1, 2008 6:14 PM:To blood on all our hands: Not on all our hands....not on the ones who refused to be a part of such an aweful deception.

Cook will never commit suicide. He loves himself too much. He has plans and he does not plan on missing out on the advantage of all this free publicity. Believe me, he loves every bit of it. It makes him feel important.

To Truth wrote on May 1, 2008 6:34 PM:Here's what the Bible says:

Mark 15:4-5
4 Then Pilate asked Him again, saying, “Do You answer nothing? See how many things they testify against You!”5 But Jesus still answered nothing, so that Pilate marveled.

wrote on May 1, 2008 6:56 PM:I know the rumors. Was there ever a DNA test conducted? I never understood why this wasn't done from the beginning.

Truth wrote on May 1, 2008 7:49 PM:Okay, how about Matt 11 and 12. Look how man times Jesus responded to the questions regarding doctrine. In Matt 11, Jesus actually turned the temple tables as He said, "My temple will be called a place of prayer for all nations, but you have turned it into a den of thieves."

Read throughout all the Gospels. Jesus gave an account for what He believed and, in some cases, for why He did the things He did while on the earth.

We all know Jesus could have called a legion to rescue Him from the cross, but He had a destiny to fulfill. This is why he didn't answer Pilate. It wasn't because He was hiding from the truth. Actually, He was living it out loud and in the public. Cook would be wise to take up his cross and follow after Jesus.

Re Truthpm wrote on May 1, 2008 8:23 PM:To 6:56pm - I don't understand why Jesus did turn the stones to bread when he could have. I guess He knew His God and didn't have anything to prove, no matter what the accuser said.

And, to Truth at 7:79pm. True. He did answer concerning doctrine. But, In Mark 15:4-5, he did not respond to the accusations that people testified against Him. Obviously, we should be able to see that difference in scripture.

Truth wrote on May 1, 2008 8:44 PM:The difference scripturally is that Jesus did not think to highly of himself to give an account for His conduct when the religious leaders of His time questioned His credibility. The time He held his peace was not about not answering his accusers (they were just a part of the process), it was about going to the cross. His accusers were not important at this stage of his destiny. He went to the cross despite the obvious torture that He would endure for all of us. He laid down His fears and said, "Not My will, but thy will be done." Cook should lay down his fears and admit publically the truth if he really expects to experience true resurrection. He'll have to "die" first. Truth brings deliverance. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free."

Seen it coming wrote on May 1, 2008 8:59 PM:Okay, I have read many of statements on here, some for and some againist. However, I attended this church 10 years ago and I got to tell you there was not only spritually abuse going on but down right control by BC. I recall requesting a meeting with him to discuss what direction he believed the church was headed only to hear him bad mouth and put down seemly every church in town. I did not find it very Godly of him to childlessly laugh and mock other pastors to a would be parishor that he did not even know. Yes, I witness the the control and foolishness first hand and it had nothing to do with the God I serve. Yes, we can forgive, but remember God is not mock.

To Truth - pm wrote on May 1, 2008 9:03 PM:That's very good explanation - probably true. The comments about fear, if you did not speak to BC personally, would have to be considered assumption and therefore is worth no comment.

And, I think I will keep my other comments contained in the text of Mark 15:4-5. It's says it best and needs no interpretation.

have you heard wrote on May 1, 2008 9:05 PM:have you heard about all the video posts that they have been putting up every where
and emailing all over

Truth wrote on May 1, 2008 9:37 PM:To have you heard: When Cook was contacted by the reporters he immediately had his media people blow up the internet with PR propaganda. He is not letting all this publicity go to waste. I'm sure he'll fill up the pews with lookie lews. People, if you go expecting to hear a public confession you'll be dissappointed. All your going to get is a day at the WWWF. And in this corner you have the.....I'm sure it will be the best entertaiment you've had all week. Heck, it'll be free...well until the offering plate comes...but you don't have to put anything in it.

To Seeing It Coming wrote on May 1, 2008 9:57 PM:It is always unfortunate when anything like that happens. Personally, I have not had that experience at AFC. And, out of the volumes of cd series that I have listened to by BC he has communicated a desire to connect and unite with pastors. He has been recorded speaking to this effect both privately and publically.

Check it out!!!

Assumptions wrote on May 1, 2008 10:14 PM:To Truth, in case you didn't know, the church didn't just "start propaganda" because of a few media phone calls.

I can see why people would try and boast about that though...

Go back further with cable broadcasts and commercials that started way before all this bad mouthing started.

Be careful what you say and the authority in which you say it. Speaking something that isn't true, isn't God.

Using data and experiences from years past doesn't qualify you to speak on what is happening and being experienced in the church NOW.

Hearsay is not truth, gossip is not truth, third party information is not truth. I don't suggest you believe me either, go see for yourself.

Otherwise, I can discount your opinion on mere assumption. Your media interpretation is false, I'd be careful what you speak that is mere perception.

Roberto wrote on May 2, 2008 6:13 AM:I met my preacher on late night TV and I'm going to heaven. For 29.95 a month he is praying my way to heaven. 30 days after I'm dead and if I'n not in heaven my money will be cheerfully refunded. btw, he takes Visa and master card.

Truth wrote on May 2, 2008 6:18 AM:Okay, here it comes. The true face of AFC is showing itself. I was wondering how long it would take before the threats and intimidation would surface.

Not hearsay, not assumption, not mere interpretation as you DEMAND. My so called "mere assumption" really has you bugged. Hmmm...I wonder why...

Assumptions wrote on May 2, 2008 7:43 AM:No, not bugged, and I DEMAND nothing, those are your own words.

I only request that your words be that of truth. Because that is God. You can speak whatever opinions you desire...

We all answer to something that is greater than ourselves, I hope at some point, in our out of AFC the people of God can come together in love and unity. That is the ultimate test of Christ.

Re To Truth wrote on May 2, 2008 7:48 AM:Not sure who wrote assumptions but it didn't seem intimidating or theatening to me.

Went to AFC last night. They had a lot of people there. More than last Thursday. The people were siked up!!! The people seemed aware of everything but not bothered by rumors, assumptions and interpretations. In fact, they were talking about it from the pulpit and the people seemed more determined. Obviously, they are moving forward!

Use commonsense wrote on May 2, 2008 8:34 AM:Do you really think 600 plus members of AFC would just decide to leave just because of (stress)caused by the building cost or mere accussations, or a divorce? I'm speaking of those members who attended for many, many years, investing thousands of dollars, and energy into the land and building fund. Those of us who were more faithful to the church then our own families or jobs, and who suffered divorce in our own families. I'm speaking of the 4 Elders, 12 Deacons, countless other leaders and other faithful member who are no longer there.
Come on BIFF...as BC would say. Be for real! Upon our exodus, most of us had that "private meeting with BC to discuss the issues at hand." As you can see there were no attempts for resolution. Believe this: so much (first hand) info could be exposed. But we(former members) don't need to put BC on blast because as you can see God is already doing it.

re to last wrote on May 2, 2008 9:29 AM:Praise God for the positive report! But "siked up"? As in "Psyched up"? Please refer to "Walk in the light". I have a gang of friends that still attend there and as always my hope and prayer is that they experience and embrace everything that GOD has to offer them.

to commonsense wrote on May 2, 2008 10:04 AM:You are absolutely correct! Thank you!

fianacial sense wrote on May 2, 2008 11:11 AM:with the current status of the market and economy and with celebrities also yielding to foreclosures look at Jose Cansceco's announcement today (...) why is it so difficult to think that this foreclosure is any different -- Economy slows people get laid off people cut expenses take lower paying jobs many factors that cause the market to reset itself to years of overinflated real estate prices we were all excited about just a few years ago. many economist, financial planners and the like knew this was coming the "bubble" has burst all this talk about rumors and whatever likely have little to do with a $5 million mortgage and more to do with what makes financial sense for them to move forward

in wonder wrote on May 2, 2008 11:34 AM:the Ron Satrape guy mentioned in the article is supposed to be there on Sunday at the 10 am service (if he doesn't back out that is). wonder what answers he will have.

To Use Common Sense wrote on May 2, 2008 12:23 PM:Common sense - again, I could "think" all sorts of things but that doesn't make it true. It unverifiable, and therefore reduced to speculation (meritless fodder). There are people "speaking" of a lot of things that they are just guessing on or fabricating, but, again untrue and unverifiable.

This scripture, outlines how this thing works the best:

Acts 6:11-14
11 Then they secretly induced men to say, “We have heard him speak blasphemous words against Moses and God.”12 And they stirred up the people, the elders, and the scribes; and they came upon him, seized him, and brought him to the council.13 They also set up false witnesses who said, “This man does not cease to speak blasphemous words against this holy place and the law;14 “for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs which Moses delivered to us.”

We should not be surprise. This is nothing new!

construction truths coming wrote on May 2, 2008 12:24 PM:These articles are bringing forth much revelation on the deception by the contractor and his intent to decieve and rake AFC. I just heard a former employ of the contractor is coming forth and speaking of millions of cost overages and his knowledge of stress related tactics used by contractor and his intent to take from the Cooks and AFC covertly. One thing I see is these guys were for sure under more stress than we can imagine. Surprised they didn't go nuts! You are the thanks they get for trying. Any of you ever built a multimillion dollar building?

Assumption wrote on May 2, 2008 12:34 PM:He will be there.

Bold Faith wrote on May 2, 2008 12:55 PM:Poor BC and AFC. They are just poor victims. Do I hear violins in the background?...or is it an organ...you know they can't hardly preach without one....

Build a multimillion dollar Building wrote on May 2, 2008 1:03 PM:In rsponse to construction truths question, No I have not built a multimillion dollar building and by the looks of things, maybe they should have not attempted to do it either. There is no shame in designing a building that can be expanded upon later. What does a mishandling of a building project have to do with lack of character & integrity on the part of this failed leadership model?

Alright already wrote on May 2, 2008 1:22 PM:I'm a former AFC member, now recovered. For those of you who are continuing to write against them, just let it go. It just keeps on piling up -the best thing is to move forward and let it go. It already looks like God is handling this whole situation. I know that they (especially BC)play like the "poor victims" -and we all know that is just another form of manipulation (reminds me of that UGLY queen in the Bible -JEZIBEL). But at the end remember what happened to her (she got thrown down and the dogs ate her up!)-just continue to enjoy your freedom from not being "yoked" up with them anymore. Let us all (including myself) just move forward & ENJOY beautiful Southern California -after all that is why we pay so much to be here -let's make it fun!!! Peace to all! =)

To Bold Faith wrote on May 2, 2008 1:25 PM:If I've read correctly, the people with the victim mentality are the ones coming across with the finger pointing. I've read all these posts, and it seems that this is a common theme. Sounds like you are projecting. I want to go to this church now and find out what the hype is. Your lack of love in your posts makes me think you may not be whole hearted in your approach to care and love people the way Christ commanded. Are you sure this isn't a personal attack due to your own hurt and anger with whatever you think BC has done to you? And if so, where is your grace? Do hold others to a higher standard than yourself? I've read that because he is a pastor he is more accountable, but through all these posts I fail to see anyone accepting accountability for themselves without blaming a church or a pastor. Guess I don't understand.

Amazing wrote on May 2, 2008 1:46 PM:It amazing how people people ignore entire sections of scriptures to keep blaming everyone else.

Its amazing how quickly people who judge and call people names and then claim to be free. When we have learned that anyone who has to do that are using have a problem themselves.

Its amazing how people will disqualify anyone who have tried to do anything of note, especially when they having done anything themselves.

Its amazing what hurt and anger can do. If we have truly recovered then we would speak life not death.

staff writer wrote on May 2, 2008 1:54 PM:You got a weird strange spirit...is that slander? This blog is not for slander. It is a place for comments and sentiments about the articles in question...perspective not control. Ok..it is still America! I heard that AFCs case with the contractor is going to the DAs office. They stand to recieve a good solid recompence. Maybe this will help them turn around. To the land of the free and the home of the brave! God Bless America and free commerence! They provide a spiritual service and did a great job. So whatever happened now what...this is how great leadership emerges! Has always been the way throughout history. Its drama its valleys its mountains its humanity its process and now you get humble sincere not always liked but admired by those with the courage to attempt something great. Fall and arise to a new journey. Wala...a great leader.
God friggin Bless American. Do you see Old Glory now!!

to to bold faith wrote on May 2, 2008 1:55 PM:correct, you do not understand. those of us who were in the middle of it for years and years understand. those of us who believed the best and continued to stay in a place where we were controlled and manipulated understand. and yes, we have to take responsbility for staying in that CULT for so long. now we know better and that is why we have left. i feel bad for those still drinking the kool-aid. And to dido a previous comment we don't have to stay in an abusive place to be someone that walks in love - that would be foolish. there is more love in truth and integrity!

To construction truths coming wrote on May 2, 2008 2:05 PM:Oh no really you sound like Hillary Clinton it must be a left wing conspiracy.

To All wrote on May 2, 2008 2:19 PM:Should a man stop being a man even if he makes mistakes? As people who are saved through faith by grace, should you stop being saved because you sinned? Am I supposed to stop typing because I did not say you were christians but saved? Christians (ones that follow after christ in every area, reconciliation, love, doing miracles signs and wonders) are still Christians when they make mistakes and so my question for you all is If you are a Christian (Minister of Reconciliation) a person that has been bought with a price (Jesus Blood) and forgiven of all sin, why can you not forgive something as little as this? Although I am not trying to down play anything, I just always look at things and try to put everything into perspective. By the way that some of you disregard any Godly advice and continue your BC bashing, shame on you. Do your job as a christian and help to recover and reconcile that which is/was lost and to push for a better end so it does not happen again. God is a God of chances but people are decietful and a brood of vipers. I have compassion for all parties involved including those on here that profess to be christians but do not display the love that christians are to be known by. Allow Love(charity) to be the guide not what has happend in the past. Yes learn from your past but move on and let it be.

Kingdom first. wrote on May 2, 2008 3:02 PM:For all of us who do know the truth and choose not to use this forum to slander anyone.. just keep following Jesus and walk in love. The comments being made about the leaders..not just BC (but the others) is no where near as honest, specific, or damagaing to their character,or integrity as spiritual leaders that many of us could speak on; from (personal experiences). But we know the battle is not ours, its the Lords. Again as you can see God is not playing around. He is giving a clear prophetic sign, by foreclosuring this building. Let just continue to seek God's kingdom first and everything we need to fullfil the purposes of God in this territory will be provided. Blessings to you all!

well said wrote on May 2, 2008 3:12 PM:TO "To All[-] wrote on May 2, 2008 2:19 PM"

Well said

Re to to bold faith wrote on May 2, 2008 4:50 PM:You are absolutely correct.

No one has to stay at a place that they aren't called to be.

No one should allow themselves to be abused.

And, no one should have to live in the pain of the past.

I would recommend you heal up. That way you can go forward and live a strong life. That way no blame, labeling or name calling would be required.

Wholeness is its own reward.

To re to last wrote on May 2, 2008 4:59 PM:You should read "to walk in the light at May 1st, 2008 - 3:44pm" It sums it up great.

Any other thoughts outside of it would have to be categorize as assumption, hurt, fear, etc...

And, if the orgin to that response was prophetic then according to the Bible it would definitely have to be judged. Things are not always as they seem.

finally wrote on May 2, 2008 5:08 PM:Now this feels like some christians are coming forth. You go North County! Stop this long history of... leadership growing to a certain place... humanity shows itself... the people take up the enemies work. Then another cycle repeats itself! Maybe you guys should prepare a plan to move through this type of situation. It is a territorial stronghold. He was a reformer who got a demonic strategy worked against him. You who know him also know this fact!How many more before you respond in love, mercy and forgiveness. Do something different it DOES take all that!!! Pastors and leadership are hurting around here...walk in grace and faith...forgive and fight forward AFC...Pastor Barry...and christians all over the county!

same ol same ol wrote on May 2, 2008 5:40 PM:As usual, anytime anybody has aa opinion or real life experience other than what AFC says,their experiences are dismissed because they are "hurt, bitter, angry,etc..." Telling people to "just forget about the past and move on" is not helping anybody to heal. It is the truth that people need then the healing will come. are the people asking too much just because they want to know the truth?

Win souls would you wrote on May 2, 2008 7:57 PM:Use your zeal and your abubdance of time to do good. Stop judging and whining. If you are a christian and not just a armchair consumer...then give grace and pray he come back and do double the good and as for you... poor victims...your brand of christianity is good for maintence. I may not be a member nor have ever been... I loved his willingness to breakout of the normal church. I am sure he was first on satans hit list in this area. He challenged all of us. He, his work and his spirit will be missed. Arise wounded warrior and fight yet again. The kingdom suffers violence...where are the soul warriors and demon slayers? All alone I'm sure!!! Put on your armour and fight on...mulitudes still in the valley of decision! Barry Cook we need you in this county. Keep going man of God. Let these whiners grow up and face realitys of hunminitys and divinitys of kingdom wars.

re re to last wrote on May 2, 2008 9:53 PM:So sorry that you misread my post. That was the point that I was trying to make. Early on, and for several years for that matter, my family and I lived on that same hype, euphoria and fleshy stimulus. All the while allowing our spiritual growth to lag far behind. Please note that I said "allowed". As men, fathers and husbands we have a responsibility to insure that our families sit under church leadership that seeks to move us closer to Christ without all of the afforementioned hoopla. And that was the point of my comment.

Jesus said wrote on May 3, 2008 6:46 PM:Forsake all & follow him...wow...cult like...eat my flesh & drink my blood... extra wow... cult like...love feast...ok...holy kiss...what? Hype, fleshly stimulus...accused of everything and many still believe it is fact He was guilty of much. Obey His teachings and love, forgive and restore in a spirit of gentleness. You don't know that He didn't repent...he has to repent to God and his oversight....not you and they say restore him now and you say no...not without my hoop...to meet your requirements. Live by the sword and die by the sword. Let him prove it by his good works and labour of love!

Truth wrote on May 3, 2008 9:34 PM:Yawn!!

ps... wrote on May 3, 2008 10:35 PM:DA is going to help AFC. I heard that from my Uncle who works in the court house. Has he moved from here... does anyone know? We really pray that this kicks him into a whole new style and type of people. The Lord will use people like him to reach into hard to reach places. We call you blessed, remember Barry you are some where in the future and you look much better than you look right now. We hope you get married to some hot young chick who loves you and is crazy about Jesus too.

next time wrote on May 3, 2008 10:46 PM:Next time he speaks I would like to hear him. My preacher is a great guy buy this guy must be something very special. We should help him and aim his Big dog gun at the huminist agenda. His NAACP speach was over the top...incredible! I said to my wife then... he is going to be a target for the enemy now. He has nothing to loose now. I see a new day dawning. What if God starts using all the hurt preachers and populates heaven with thier zeal. After this nobody should be able to buy him. Not money, not fame not women. Does he ever preach anymore because I would love to go hear him...NOW!!

I was healed wrote on May 3, 2008 11:14 PM:To quote Jn.11 - "whoever he is I don't know" but God used him to help heal me. This was just a couple months ago. I went back to my home in Texas and we rejoiced and sent him a offering. I only wish I could have sent him more!
Say what you will but there is a divine call on him that has not left.

Truth wrote on May 4, 2008 8:47 AM:Like "Be A Man" said, we are not questioning the character of God. It is BC's character that has been found wanting. BC did not heal you! Jesus Christ healed you and saved us all.

JN 14:13-14, (Jesus' words) "And I will do whatever you ask in My name so that the Son may bring glory to the Father. You may ask me for anything in my name, and I will do it." NIV

Also remember Luke 13:24-27, (Jesus' words) "The door to heaven is narrow. Work hard to get in, because many will try to enter, but when the head of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. Then you will stand OUTSIDE the door knocking and pleading, "Lord, open the door for us! But He will reply, 'I do not know you.' You will say, 'But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.' And He will reply, 'I tell you, I don't know you. Go away, all you who do evil.'

character to truth wrote on May 4, 2008 2:58 PM:1. God does use people. People go through valleys, sins and struggles.
2. I can always tell your post on various blogs your spirit is mixed with good and evil.
3. Maybe he will move far away from you and all those he has "let down". So you can have peace and your version of justice then see revival and use your time for something constructive instead of destructive. You sound to me like a early Catholic...crusader spirit. All in the name of Jesus.
3. Jesus said.."A bruised reed He will not break, and a smoking flax He will not quench"
4. He may have done something. Maybe?
But you have sown your assured judgement now, by being used as a psudo-christian judge.
5. Faith is seeing potential in opposite circomstances. Without faith we cannot please God. Speak faith, write faith this is Gods way and His ways they are higher than yours "truth"!
6. May God have mercy on you and him! Mercy triumphs over judgement! He who shows mercy will reap mercy.
7. Lastly I am sure you will be a smart elic, mean and put me in my place and I hope that brings you the peace you need.
May God richly restore all for his purposes!

Truth wrote on May 4, 2008 4:15 PM:To Latour and the Credit Union: Unfortunately you have found yourselves in a PR nightmare. I wonder if you discuss amongst yourselves how best to handle this situation because of how things will look for you because of the foreclosure of AFC. First of all, the public does not hold you responsiblie for the foreclosure of AFC. Christians have to pay their bills like everyone else. Your company did your part. AFC failed to meet it's obligation to repay their loan. The public knows that your company has to make a business decision based upon practicalities not personal agendas. Right now you have an offer from an area church who is celebrating 23 years of service in this community. This church has several hundred people who are willing and able bodied and are 100% behind their pastor's decision to make that offer. I hope that you will not lose this opportunity by waiting around too long to accept the offer because you are worried about some public relations fallout. AFC needs to take their 200 members and acquire a building they can afford. 200 members cannot support a 40K a month mortgage or even rent. It is time to make the smart business decision. AFC said they are ready to move on. So let them and let the 1000 plus member church do so as well.

release blessings wrote on May 4, 2008 5:53 PM:We should all show up next sunday and bring a prayer and a offering. Really also we should send them e-mails encouraging all of them who labour and keep believing. God always has a remnent and brings revival out of the burnt stones! I challenge everyone that comes to this blog. Laugh if you will but you can't tell me heaven wouldn't rejoice.

Truth wrote on May 4, 2008 5:54 PM:Don't confuse speaking faith with being in denial.

Read Fred Prices' book, "Faith, Foolishness or Presumption."

I am not in denial about what is... therefore I will not speak your brand of faith.

Just because you don't like what I am saying doesn't make it evil.


My peace comes from knowing Jesus Christ. This situation has not and will not disrupt my peace. I am not blown around with every wind of doctrine. I am not blinded by lies and ongoing corruption.

In the end, the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ will have victory.

Truth wrote on May 4, 2008 6:36 PM:I recommend that you plant your offerings where God leads you. Remember we are to be good stewards of our finances. I don't believe heaven will rejoice while you give your money to an organization that is in foreclosure and expect a blessing in return....Wow...I'm so glad for Godly wisdom that exposes ridiculous ideology.

Why wrote on May 4, 2008 6:54 PM:Why is it that whenever people that: are over the top, different from the norm, slightly different from those that are religious, or extremly wild according to some and yet keep everything biblical, help to push a move of God, and is zealous for God and nothing else, teach, or preach a hard word that causes some of the babes whom God wants to finally grow up, or because the HOLY SPIRIT convicts you through a vessel. Why is it these are the people that are caste away and told you are not of God. You are a cult. You are outside of what God told you to do. You are in sin. When these people preach the good ol' boy message then everything is alright, fine and dandy. but when something that comes out of their mouth challenges you to actually do something. All of the sin in the world that everyone commits is tossed on them and they are then told to step out of office because of THEIR sin. If this is the Christianity that we are of, I will not be apart. I became a Christian because they said they are supposed to be different, They live according to the bible and from my readings of the bible, I have yet to find something written that is watered down to the point it has no power. Living in a nation that allows everyone and everything to say you can not say that severly waters down everything everyone says due to Politically correctness, but there is another way, there is something different. Yes I want someone to tell me to my face when I mess up and to tell me "You better get your act together" they way you people have come across. I now understand why some of you have not stayed at that said named church. Because you did not want to grow up and be mature Christians. Very well go on about your way do what you need to do to make sure you and your four go to heaven. But Dont you dare try to kill anyone for you not having the fortitude to grow up and pass the tests that were set before you. You quote scriptures and say thus saith the Lord of Hosts but you are no better then a kid playing red rover. you know it is not what God wants and yet you do it anyway, spoiled brat of a child. You have said your piece, now God says forgive and move on, Grow up, It is immature of you to hold a grudge and to keep someone in damnation because they told the truth about something in you and you decided to leave. Shame on you you spiritual harlot for it is not up to you to decide what is good for you. It is all up to God the father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit. You are playing a deadly game of spiritual Adultery and its fruit is showing.

release blessings wrote on May 4, 2008 6:59 PM:We should all show up next sunday and bring a prayer and a offering. Really also we should send them e-mails encouraging all of them who labour and keep believing. God always has a remnent and brings revival out of the burnt stones! I challenge everyone that comes to this blog. Laugh if you will but you can't tell me heaven wouldn't rejoice.

Wow wrote on May 5, 2008 7:55 AM:Truth, you really stirred something loose...interesting. There is obviously more going on that what we are being led to believe. Thank you for shining the light.

Pablo wrote on May 5, 2008 11:31 AM:There seems to be a lot of bald headed kids running around AFC these days.

Telling the truth to truth concerning I was healed wrote on May 5, 2008 10:05 PM:This guy didn’t say it wasn’t Jesus. NT power was given to believers. There are two other types of leadership levels in the spirit as seen in the greek. One type denotes a arch type of covering with greater grace to accomplish their calling. The other represents the grace of increased ability. Though they are human it is given from birth and increased by disipline, revelation and spiritual sensitivity. You may not understand this, but all who have it understand. Heb. 6 laying on of hands…elementary teaching…Acts3:4-7 “Look at us” not men but Christ in a man..like it or not..God has always connected with man to do His work in the earth…elementary…Acts3:12..peters defense against someone like you..8-12. I don’t have a comment about this situation right now but your attempt to take away from him was a untruth concerning basic bible doctrine and NT practice. Act 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk? Act 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Former AFCer wrote on May 6, 2008 3:51 AM:I love Barry, Terri and Joy. I pray for them now, and always have. I am sad about the scandal. It is one of the oldest in the book. There is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. I spent years there, served to the best of my ability, but even Terri said you find out who's there just for position & title, when you no longer can give them that. I am no longer a man pleaser. We have to deal with what is deep within us, or it will be our downfall, and that of our children. I am looking to myself. Could I make the same mistakes? Absolutely. There but for the grace of God go I. I got what I needed there, I learned what not to do, as well as how to pray & warfare. Now it is in balance, and my life is happy, joyous and free. I will not be lead by a morally corrupt pastor, period. Look that one up in the book. What Terri endured for her daughter, I do not think I could have. I am sad.

Regarding AFCs Bible College wrote on May 6, 2008 10:34 AM:For those who received their degrees through AFC's bible college -when they were connected to LOGOS Bible College -these degrees are accredited for ministry purpose only -they are not Federal or State. But they are valid degrees -not bogus one. Just wanted to clarify that. Once they switched their names to ABC -they were no longer with LOGOS. LOGOS is a valid bible institure in Florida. I hope this helps some people out.

REGARDING AFC Bible College wrote on May 6, 2008 11:51 AM:Correction, they were accredited with LOGOS when they were ABC, once they switched their name to Ambassador Leadership Institue -then they were no longer affiliated with LOGOS. But the diplomas handed out by ABC & LOGOS are valid diplomas for ministry or religious purposes only. Hope this helps some of you out. I learned a lot from those classes offered.

A Reminder to All wrote on May 6, 2008 1:35 PM:I left AFC many years ago. However, when I did attend the church they had good leadership especially with Pastor Terri, she was a blessing to me and to her congregation. I do not know what happen however the devil always makes misery interesting. Jesus said it perfectly those without sin throw the first stone. Doesn;t it say for us as followers of Chris Jesus to pray for our leadship, it does;t say when ever we chose to. God says vengeance of host is mine saith the lord!
We need to pray for our leaders not condeme them. We need to speak life into each others life, for the Lord says that the tonque is mighter than the sword!

To a Reminder to All wrote on May 7, 2008 10:50 AM:We also have to repent!!!! It also says our leaders are held to a higher standard!!!! It doe say he who is without sin cast the first stone, you seem to be casting lots of stones, are you without sin? Also I think perhaps a dictionary could help you out because your spelling is horrible.

Heathen wrote on May 7, 2008 12:16 PM:Barry Cook is my hero!!!!

To truth wrote on May 7, 2008 1:52 PM:The other church in town is not able to pay for the building. The one you spoke of, so once again I see your point and it could be a valid one but your facts are off for sure. I am part of the leadership at the other church you spoke of we would love to be able to purchase it but at this time ECCU turned us down 3 times. With 3 different approaches to purchase it.

the bible college and such wrote on May 7, 2008 7:54 PM:I have long been gone but not for any of these experiences but a job transfer. However, the Bible College was for real. I know people who got promotions and ministry jobs from their attendence and completion. They were doing a great work. This is a classic attack and the accusers are responding in a predictable fashion of the law. Terri didnt endure anything that he didn't "former AFCer". Both were good people and both had flaws...like you and me. Keep it real in Christ would you. We must be careful not to feed on other parts of the body!!! Throw the meat down to the earth and watch who eats it only carnavors eat flesh...hello...wolfs. He may have gone through something but some of you are wolfs in the way you bite and devour ripping at the flesh and further destroying the body.

confound the wise wrote on May 7, 2008 9:12 PM:WOW..."telling the truth to truth"...that was flat suburb WOW..I am taking notes and going to use that somewhere. That is another perfect example of Grace over Law..WOW...if the devil would have known how God would use broken things...foolish things...base things to confound the wise. He would not have crusified Christ. We should restore him and have him hold some healing meetings!

To to Truth wrote on May 8, 2008 6:46 AM:Were is the falsehood? Truth stated that another church made an offer and encouraged the loan company to except it. You just verified that what truth said is true. So what if they refused the initial offer. That is how the game is played. It doesn't mean the church should give up. And if you are a "leader" of that church, why would you publicily say a negative comment about the financial state of your church when you are negotiating a deal? Are you scared of someone?

ministers of reconciliation wrote on May 8, 2008 8:15 AM:I came here from another town because of my sin. I am part of a ministry in the area. The worse thing that happened to us was the pastor and I were removed from ministry. No restoration, no consideration for years of service. Just dismissial and rebuke. I was "meat for the wolves" as stated for sure. And fellow christians stood around and cheered as I was eaten. Most of what was said was false. But anything I said was twisted into a falsehood. Even the parts that were true. I feel for this brother. It took my town almost 20 more years to grow another ministry that could effect the city and not just within the four walls. Now the city is more closed up and more corrupt. All the people complaining did nothing to help but they were quick to tear down. The same is happening here, many pastors although disappointed really miss him. His mantle brought the whole areas mantle up. Do you know how often that comes around. I don't think you do. We won't him back, yes, submitted to his leadership but back in ministry in North County. None of us can replace his gifting. He will develop his character now in ways that will fortify him. But that can only happen in a atmosphere of love and encouragement! Let his leadership restore him and don't let a spotlight of NC go out. Are there not any ambassadors of Christ out there, ministers of reconciliation. If the concerns are very sensitive issues and if the details dont concern you. Let his oversight handle it and trust in the Lord. I for one, am calling all pastors to call him and let him know how much we miss him, love him and need him. This will release him to be healed. Barry Cook we are sorry we didn't say while you were here, we are sorry we wouldn't work with you. We need you brother. Please here my cry to your spirit. You are loved and valued greatly in North County.

Thats whats up wrote on May 8, 2008 9:19 AM:Come on now "ministers of reconciliation" Let's (the body of Christ) link arms, open the door of reconcilation, speak words of life and edification one to another, allow all who are hurt to be healed and take North County for the Kingdom! Let us pray one for another, let us offer grace, let us keep our focus on Christ! Let us do the work of the ministry!

Larry wrote on May 8, 2008 10:14 AM:More Koolaid anyone?

To Larry wrote on May 8, 2008 11:04 AM:No thanks I had enough Koolaid the 8 years I was in that church. I am so glad the Lord opened my eyes so I could see what was really going there. To all those left at AFC put the cup down and flee.

To the Larries wrote on May 8, 2008 1:11 PM:To the Larries

The avoidance by your comments of true scriptural truths are coy and sad.

Perhaps the Kool-aid you should be avoiding is that of the tired and boring blame game. Things didn't go the way I planned so now someone must be punished.

Your right, I don't want any of "that" Koolaid.

Come on wrote on May 8, 2008 1:48 PM:What I would like to know is why everyone is on the bandwagon to support Barry Cook, to "restore" him, encourage him and let him know he is supported and loved. Who is comforting the 600 families, leaders and elders who had the good sense to get out when they saw what was really going on? Who is ministering the the hurt, disillusioned youth and parents who put in their time, blood sweat and tears only to find out of the charade that was taking place? Some of these people helped plant this church and they are gone! Only 2 of the original church planters even remain (besides Barry) Doesn't the bible say we are to comfort eachother? Aren't we supposed to lift up those who are feeble and wounded? But yet we are being encouraged to minister to the very individual who caused all of this devastation through his own selfish motives. How many people have walked away from this place feeling cheated and lied to and are now unable trust leaders or have left the church completely and backslid? I for one do not feel sorry for this Pastor, I feel sorry for his flock. This is truly an example of reaping what you sow. While I understand Barry is human, there are consequences to secret sins. Nothing is a secret to God. We are seing the consequences now. Oh and by the way, I was there for a few years and witnessed a lot of the same things others have posted. Especially the bad mouthing of other churches and ministers. I now go to one of those churches and I wish I had gone years before. I'd be a lot healthier spiritually and wouldn't have developed that "spiritually elite" attitude like many of you posting here today.

To Come On wrote on May 8, 2008 2:30 PM:Does the bible every endorses us to stop loving....

Does the bible every endorses us to stop forgiving...

Does the bible every endorses us to stop believing for or thinking the best...

NO!

Remember 1 Corinthians 13!

And to the others no matter how or why they left (because saying for certain in any direction for the whole group would be assumptive), God knows how to take care of his own.

So, I will never get off the "bandwagon" of encouraging others.

So continue to go forward and encourage all those who have stayed and gone if you are stronger and healthier now. This would be the mark of a Christian. To site a quote posted earlier "Wholeness is its own reward."

Larry wrote on May 8, 2008 3:46 PM:You're right on the mark, Come On. And by the way, how about throwing a comfort in the direction of the little bald headed kids as well?

To the Larry Supporters wrote on May 8, 2008 4:12 PM:It is a shame we have to degenerate to making a point of someone's lack of hair but I guess when all you have is cynicism and hate, and no Christ-centered, biblical precedence anything goes.

But here we go:

The apostle Paul of the New Testament was bald for a time. And he was a mightily used child of God.

The prophet Elisha was bald (and looked what happened to those who mocked him). And he was a mightily used child of God.

So I say - Way to go to God's other bald headed kids. Maybe we need more of them.

And to all those who through sly comments back up the unscriptural position of the Larries...

...1 Corinthians 13, cannot be ignored!!!

Larry wrote on May 8, 2008 8:34 PM:Was that Koolaid grape or cherry flavored?

a fellow pastor wrote on May 8, 2008 10:43 PM:I am also a fellow pastor, I must repent also for not reaching out to this pastor. He fought hard and solid and took on all opposers of the faith. Brother I will give you a place to minister if you would like. I will contact AFCs office. Anything we can do we would love to help you. We need you here so bad. It has begin to close back up spiritually as a region. We are brothers, we will fight with you and for you. Arise man of God! We need you!

amazed wrote on May 9, 2008 8:43 AM:to the "Pastors" who are riding some sympathy trip...
ARE YOU KIDDING ME? After all that has been said on these blogs about the truth and you would invite this person into YOUR pulpit? He clearly has continually gone against the word of God, not repented, fathered a child thru adultery, lies from the pulpit, and you would have HIM in your pulpit to stand in as a man of God, delivering His message. WHY? Because you feel sorry for him now? HE CHOSE HIS SIN, HE CHOSE TO LEAD A SECRET LIFE THAT CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. HE CHOSE TO TRY TO COVER UP THE MESS AND LOST HIS SHEEP IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE HE CHOSE TO NOT REPENT!!
Now that's a MESSED up, dysfunctional bunch of people...Call it what you want, but that is only adding fuel to the already BURNING fire - that is plain ridiculous and I cannot see any kind of approval from the Word on that one!
wow, remind me to NOT go to any of your churches.
God must be so embarrassed about this one...
good grief -

To Amazed wrote on May 9, 2008 9:45 AM:You continue with accusations....no scriptures...no sound doctrine....no love. I think we should be the one amazed.

We have seen blazing accusations on this blog and many who with sound doctine through scriptures have weeded through gossip, conjectures and the like. Apparently, there are lots and lots of Christian out there who want more than hard religious judgement under the pretense of restoration and condemnation.

I applaud this pastor who is operating out of the love of Christ. Cleary he realizes 1 Cor 13:4-8, 1 Cor 5:14-20 & Gal 5:22-23.

These are more than just terrific scriptures but worthy of reading and following. This pastor is doing both. We can learn from his example.

Once again wrote on May 9, 2008 10:44 AM:You can only restore someone who humbly accepts rebuke, submits to authority and acknowledges the sin and repents. The man accused has done none of these things to date! Instead he brought in a bunch of preachers who were strangers even to the congregation who stood before them and said "Your pastor has been found innocent." This video was posted on AFC's website for months! What exactly was the pastor accused of that he was found innocent? They never addressed the accusations. You could probably still see this message on youtube or AFC's website. Bottom line, no humility = no restoration. And who said there is no proof to these accusations? I can asure you those who were there saw and heard, 600 people don't just walk out on speculation.

re To Amazed wrote on May 9, 2008 10:52 AM:We all are very much in need of any minister who's agenda is based solely on Christ. True that! So what's your name sir?

Larry wrote on May 9, 2008 3:36 PM:Knock knock.
Who's there?
KOOLAID!!

To Larry wrote on May 9, 2008 7:05 PM:Koolaid Who?

Once is enough for me Barry wrote on May 9, 2008 7:33 PM:Koolaid, I'm gonna fool you. Just like President Bush says fool me once shame on you fool me twice well I won't be fooled again. The saying actually goes like this Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Once part of AFC wrote on May 9, 2008 7:44 PM:Everyone has there opinions of what happened here. The truth is that a man that we all looked up to at one time has failed to repent and admit his sin. I could have continued and served God under him if he could just do what he preached to his congregation everyday.

And to this new guy who gave a press release, Why dont you ask your pastor why his marriage really failed and see if he tells the truth.

God is awsome and great but this church really damaged alot of lives. I really dont know how Barry and Carolyn can show their faces here in Oside or S.D. for that matter.

This is truely a sad day......and yes people are not perfect and we all sin and make mistakes but we repent and make amends to those we have wronged.

Right on wrote on May 10, 2008 8:26 AM:Very well said Once apart. Doesn't sound malicious or judgemental to me. Just good old common sense! Whatever happend to righteous anger anyway? Do we not serve a God who seeks vengence? We are not seeking vengence, just the truth. Not coddling someone who is in sin is not unloving, it is loving! It causes them to take a hard look at what they have done and repent. Our God is gracious, but he is Just and Holy. David humbled himself, repented and was called a friend of God regardless of his sin. It is his sign of humility that caused God to be moved. But still, David brought the sword upon his own household and bloodline because of his actions. There are consequences to unrighteous acts but God is still merciful if we first repent and ask to be submit to his correction.

Once part of AFC wrote on May 10, 2008 1:43 PM:Im very much bothered by the fact that people think it is hearsay when some of us were not just part of the congregation but part of leadership spending as many hours there as Barry working side by side.

People started leaving this church way before the divorce was ever in thought or the child in question.

The truth is its all about Manipulation and Control.

I wish I had never read this article or its comments, my family has moved on but still not been healed from the open wounds that were left.

Confront Sin dont ignore it. wrote on May 10, 2008 2:35 PM:The bible is clear about how to handle an unrepentent sinning brother. Sin that is ignored will corrupt the whole body - 1 Corinthians 5:6-7 Your glorying is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Sinning Elders are to be rebuked - 1 Timothy 5:20 Those who are sinning rebuke in the presence of all, that the rest also may fear. Sexual immorality IN PARTICULAR is to be confronted, exposed, judged and dealt with - 1 Corinthians 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. 1Cor. 5: Confront sin, don't ignore it. Math 18: Confront sin, don't ignore it. 1Tim. 5: Confront sin, don't ignore it. Titus 1: Confront sin, don't ignore it..
1 Cor 5: Confront sin, don't ignore it.
James 5: Confront sin, don't ignore it.. 1 Thes. 5: Confront sin, don't ignore it..Gal 6: Confront sin, don't ignore it. Titus 3: Confront sin, don't ignore it. This is where AFC failed and that is why God sent his wrath upon them.

still standing wrote on May 10, 2008 10:46 PM:If there is an AFC leader out there monitoring these blogs I ask you, do you see the need for a venue where reconciliation and restoration can take place? Why do you sit back and let the body be in desintion. We were Ambassador FAMILY Church and we have been estranged from one another. Call a meeting, at least for those who came from 4055. The sheep are scattered and wounded and looking for someone to care for them like a shepherd would. Time,talents, treasures, marriages, lively-hoods were forsakened to see the vision of AFC come to pass. It is your reasonable responsibilty. Call the meeting, the people will come.

To Still Standing wrote on May 11, 2008 9:46 AM:I agree!!

Truth wrote on May 11, 2008 10:52 AM:Call the meeting in the true spirit of reconciliation....the truth must be spoken. We will come to hear the truth and respond with a heart toward restoration!

BeautyFromAshes wrote on May 11, 2008 11:20 AM:To Still Standing:

If you will give them a chance, I think you will see a renewed group of leaders at AFC. A group that is focused on returning to the vision and mandate of the church with a strong emphasis on love and acceptance.

They are working so hard to be an example of the Father's Heart and having had the opportunity to meet many of them and hear their heart for the people, I can honestly say that my life has been enriched by the experience.

Also, Ron Satrape has offered to meet with any members or former members who wish to speak with him. You can reach him through AFC (by e-mail or phone)and they will send your messages to him right away. He will be out here again in the coming weeks.

Whether you decide to return to AFC or not, everyone who is there or affiliated wishes to see one thing - healing and restoration, so that all believers can continue moving forward with God's plan for their lives.


"To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified."—Isaiah 61:3

Still Standing wrote on May 11, 2008 7:57 PM:To Beauty From Ashes; Thank you. I didn't know Ron S. was making himself available to speak with former AFC members. However, I think many were hoping to follow the biblical pattern of restoration; "If another believer sins against you, go privately and point out the offence. If the other person listens and confesses it, you have won that person back. But if you are unsuccessful, take one or two others with you and go back again, so that everything you say may be confirmed by 2 or 3 witnessess. If the person still refuses to listen, take your case to the Church, then if he or she won't accept the church's decision, treat that person as a pagan or tax collector." MATT 18:15-17
There is no scriptual basis for BC being absent/excused from this restoration process. I know this endeavor may seem daunting for him, but to whom much is given much is required. He taught us not to "let up" and to hold on with bulldog tenacity and that's what is being displayed by some former AFC members. I hope to hear more from you!

Still Waiting wrote on May 12, 2008 1:56 PM:I am still waiting for the truth from Barry Cook. Ron Satrape can not speak for Barry Cook. Just like Barry Cook can not speak for Pastor Vince Limon. The bible is clear that we need to go to the sinning brother in this case it is Barry Cook, when I tried I was not allowed to see him. So yes I am still waiting.

Hear Hear wrote on May 12, 2008 2:19 PM:I whole heartedly agree with Still Standing! Nobody ever said that there was no forgiveness or restoration for BC. Only that he needed to admit to the sin, repent and submit to leadership for restoration. I also believe it is highly inappropriate for CR to remain at AFC in any capacity. It is truly bad judgement on the part of leaders to allow these individuals to remain without any reprimand.

THINK on these things wrote on May 12, 2008 3:14 PM:Phi 4:4 Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
Phi 4:5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
Phi 4:6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
Phi 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Phi 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.


Mat 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

Controlling events is just as evil for you as it is for him. I am sure if we knew all details we would understand, maybe not agree but understand some of the whys decisions were made. But that is not realistic and very dysfunctional also! Part of emotional maturity on all parts is being able to move forth without more damage occuring. If you were truly whole you would know this is ALSO the truth!

HAL wrote on May 12, 2008 3:48 PM:To beauty for ashes

I have contacted AFC and have also been in contact with Ron Satrape regarding a meeting with the leadership of AFC, my e-mail records show that on 3/18/08 Mr satrape indicated that he would get back to me with a date for this meeting. I have yet to hear from him. I am still available to meet anytime you are. You have my contact information.

Larry wrote on May 12, 2008 7:12 PM:If a man fathers a child, isn't he financially responsible for the child until the child reaches adulthood? By the same token, if the father fails to financially provide for that child, isn't he considered a deadbeat dad? Just wondering...

Whirlwind wrote on May 12, 2008 7:38 PM:Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
"Fear God and keep His commandments,
For this is the whole duty of a man.
For God will bring every work into judgment,
Including every secret thing,
Whether it is good or whether it is evil."

A lover of Jesus wrote on May 12, 2008 11:48 PM: This situation is just like it was with Jesus. He was forsaken right before he was crucified....Barry is not the one that needs to repent. I think all you who once followed and served in his ministry need to repent for your comments and lack of support. some of you know how to really kick a person when their down.
Barry i have one comment to make. My prayers are with you. I dont know what kind of bad choices youve made its none of my business. you planted many seeds in my life when i was down and hurting, i was blessed by your sermons. man of God just like Job...Hang in there God will help you and lift you up....David was a man after Gods own heart and I know God loves you....your sister in the Lord

Larry wrote on May 13, 2008 6:26 AM:Man! I've got to buy stock in Koolaid!

To Larry wrote on May 13, 2008 11:52 AM:You crack me up! but you are so right!!!have you seen the other blogs?

Matt wrote on May 13, 2008 1:56 PM:I was on your side before before, but as I watch your blogs I see something else. Many of you I feel your pain. There is also another spirit working along side of you and I don't think you notice. Many of you posting, unless it is one person primarly, are right but unjust in biblical application. You see one clear way but don't leave room unless you have it your way! Your points are many times valid in nature, but not correct in justice and mercy! The person who wrote about wolves a few blogs up, well, I was hot at, but now I am beginning to see how they could say that. Many of you are obsessed and sound like you may have many other emotional and developmental issues. Your social dynamics are based soley on a present circomstance. Meaning you can go on from here NOW if you really wished. You are developing bad habits of thought focus that is why you can't go on. Many of you are being pulled into this soup opera because you refuse to take your mind under control. Truth or not! Some of you have become so obsessive with this it is becoming inordinate in nature and beginning to sound concerning. Of course he never meant bull dog to this spirit, but of Christan faith, love virtue, intercession. Amoung a few it seems you eat drink and sleep this stuff. That is wicked and harmful to your own soul. That is not his fault. But yours, hard maybe, truthful a fact.

ginom wrote on May 13, 2008 11:33 PM:Larry, Koolaid is owned by Kraft Foods NYSE: KFT The stock is at $31.14 today. A press release came out today that they expect it to go due to a large order of Koolaid purchased by someone in Oceanside. Better buy now!!

you guys are kids wrote on May 14, 2008 9:27 AM:I am a former pubilc servant of Oeanside. Your perspective is one sided. It is easy to see reading these that most of the post is one person until someone who loves koolaide came along. I would not wont you back in any church of mine. Maybe some of the other that have left but you guys need mental help. You must not have real lives or hearts. These are the things that make men great. By his internal perspective and asking the right questions to get help as needed from the right people. Whats done is done! Pastor Cook I have watched this happen to pastors in the area for 30 years. Keep your head up! Your greater days are ahead. Don't be pressured by these baffons. Talk is cheap anyway. Actions speak louder. Keep doing good and growing and you will grow past all these children! Grace to the graceful and judgement to the judgers!!

Tee-Jay wrote on May 14, 2008 10:42 AM:Pastor Barry, I still love you! this is Tee-Jay. I don't care what you did, thats your business, i take the good of everything you poured in my spirit...wow kicking a man while he's down...wow...i bet that makes you feel so much bigger...leave the man alone...its not our place to speak on him...whatever he did is between him and God...there 2 AFC's 1 is All For Christ the other is AFC A Friggin Circus...which side are you on!!

Tee-Jay

Larry wrote on May 14, 2008 11:27 AM:Keep sending in the checks, Tee-Jay.

ginom wrote on May 14, 2008 2:42 PM:Yeah i admit. Actions do speak louder and BC was getting a lot of action. God had grace for a while then he let his judgement come down and that is why AFC and BC is where they are now. Where was that public servant when BC was cursing and slandering us from the pulpit?? as for Tee-Jay... u just convinced me to buy more stock in kool aid. Larry what is the stock at today???

Larry wrote on May 14, 2008 3:57 PM:KFT closed at $31.71/share, propelled primarily by higher than anticipated Koolaid sales.

hey Tee-Jay wrote on May 14, 2008 4:42 PM:What about AFC being A Foreclosed Church

Then it doesn't matter which side you are on.

Truth wrote on May 14, 2008 6:30 PM:AFC: A Foreclosed Church....there is no denying that for sure.

Larry, Ginom, and the rest of you guys...it is good to have some men on here that will speak the truth and cut through all the "girly" wishy washy, feel good, can't we all just get along ick!! The amount of complete deception on some of these folks is so sad...but if you want to be deceived you will be and it looks like BC has some takers.

Larry wrote on May 15, 2008 8:15 PM:This thread is getting old. I've used my best material and besides, it's a real pain in the neck to continue to get access to this article. Would it be possible for the crack NC Times reporters to dig up some more dirt on BC and post a new article? That way I could post my clever comments more quickly and avoid the early onset of carpal tunnel. Throw a guy a bone, will ya?

Forgiven much wrote on May 16, 2008 5:44 PM:I am with TJ, we should continue to rally all of us who feel this way. "HE WHO HAS BEEN FORGIVEN MUCH LOVES MUCH" AND THIS STORY IS TO BE TOLD WHENEVER THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED...Jesus Christ" He preached hard and solid but was so kind and loving when I had a hard time. My turn Dr. Cook you didn't agree with my stuff but you helped restore me. Count me in on the AFC 4 Christ side. Of course they will debate who is really on Christ side. But WE know!!! No one must have ever have shown them mercy or they would give it NOW! It is like red Koolaide Larry..the blood of Jesus..is bitter to drink but cleanses from ALL unrightouness! The Blood is applied to His heart! Let him walk out his salvation with fear and trembling! The Blood is applied!

Have your rally but the Glory wont be there wrote on May 19, 2008 2:05 PM:I like the scripture that says to whom much is given much is expected!!! Barry Cook was given much and God expected much. He disappointed God, his family, his friends, those who laborered along side of him. Many people were hurt and there will be a reckoning for it.

TB wrote on May 20, 2008 3:14 PM:God is love!

What the heck wrote on Jun 3, 2008 6:40 PM:And you call yourselves Christians, Ok now whatever. A bunch of kids if you ask me, some of you really need to di deep as to where your real bitterness comes from because no matter what you will continue to carry it for the rest of your life. Its sad to say but when you lay your mouth on someone else or even others such as children do you ever wonder why you don't own a home or think about wether your not your home will foreclose hmmm what comes around will certainly come right back at you ten times faster than you think. Be careful to what you speak!!!!

Does Anyone wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:35 AM:Does anyone know what has happened to Terri Cook? What is she doing now? Does she still go by her married name or maiden name? Is she okay?

BE A Blessing wrote on Aug 7, 2008 4:14 AM:IT'S VERY EASY TO WRITE NASTY COMMENTS ABOUT MY PASTOR BECAUSE YOU ARE BITTER AND NASTY.A LOT OF THESES COMMENTS COME FROM PEOPLE THAT ONE TIME WAS WITH HIM AND EAT AT THE SAME TABLE WITH HIM.JUST LIKE JESUS WITH HIS DISCIPLES AND THAT TABLE HE HAD A VERY INTERESTED DISCIPLES JUST LA JUDAS FOR EXAMPLE, AND PETER,AND I'M VERY HAPPY THAT GOD MOVE YOU AWAY.DO SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE ALL OF YOU, SPEAK LIFE IF YOU CAN. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT WORDS MERCY, MERCY, AND FORGINESS TO BE HONEST ALL YOU DISCUSS ME,SPECIALLY THOSE WHO USES TO BE VERY CLOSES WITH MY PASTORS.just pray if you can, used that time in restoretion.