No more wrote on May 13, 2008 1:27 PM:There is no need for more shopping centers! I swear that city planners aren’t going to be satisfied until they build on every possible square of this city and every city in the world.

Ex- side wrote on May 13, 2008 3:54 PM:It is to bad they did not refurbish the old drive in as I have many fond memories from there back in the 80's. I am sure alot of people who grew up in O'side could say the same thing. It is a piece of O'side's history. I remember my mom telling me stories of how it use to look in the 60's. I tink it is funny because when I tell my kids about the drive in movie they have no idea what it is. Too bad more shopping centers.

Jojoclown wrote on May 13, 2008 3:55 PM:Stop the crazy destruction of this town!!! Has our city leaders gone mad!! Is there any plan as to where this town is going? Or, will they let anyone build anything anywhere and never consider why!! What about the AIRPORT!!!!!!! This CRAZY project is right in the FLIGHT PATH!!!!!!!!! And we dont need a big shopping center there!! Build luxury shopping and resturants down town with all those new luxury condos!

bat wrote on May 13, 2008 3:57 PM:I can't wait for the new center. I will be so glad to see the Drive-in/Swapmeet go. It has not only been and eysore, it is valuable land the city needs to generate revenue. As far as the traffic is concerned it couldn't be any worse than it is now with the swapmeet. Mow it down and build it.

do it right wrote on May 13, 2008 4:14 PM:Oceanside it's about time you built some good restaurants and stores. Value oriented, does that mean another Walmart, Kmart or Target. Get it right build some high end stores for once with some nicer restaurants.

Not so great wrote on May 13, 2008 4:23 PM:This is supposed to be anchored by a Target..why is Oceanside always the dumping ground for 2nd and 3rd class shopping? We all go to Carlsbad and San Diego now as it is. Wise up Council and make this a destination with green space, art, water features, and all the great stuff. Allow these theaters and you may as well close up shop downtown on those. Why doesn't Jane McVey have a brain to look forward at some of this stuff?

Beyond Absurd wrote on May 13, 2008 4:27 PM:So the developer 'agreed' verbally to set aside the land? That is beyond absurd, not legally enforceable and makes this EIR flawed from the get go. This city needs someone who understands CEQA at the helm so they quit making these elementary but very serious mistakes!

Scarecrow wrote on May 13, 2008 4:47 PM:It scale resturants and big name shopping-if it is done correctly?

Umm.. wrote on May 13, 2008 5:54 PM:The drive-inn is a dump. The swap meet is gross. But traffic already sucks so bad, they wanna put more traffic draw in there?

Turn 76 into the freeway it should have been, first.

resident wrote on May 13, 2008 6:22 PM:If enough people went to the drive in, it would not have stopped showing movies. If high end stores could make money, they would build them. Oceanside is a WalMart town.

Another cinema wrote on May 13, 2008 8:03 PM:What are those up scale stores? Target is not up-scale. Walmart-not! I shop in Carlsbad, live in Oceanside

Ex-side wrote on May 13, 2008 8:06 PM:To Resident - the reason nobody went to the drive in anymore is the same reason the shopping area will lsuffer and that is all the gangs in that area of O'side.

Freeman wrote on May 13, 2008 8:40 PM:If this is the last piece of good land, Oceanside now officially and forever will rot. I live in OSide, shop elsewhere, and refuse to shop at these community-killing "value" stores. Where are the promised econmic benefits to those who live here? Our taxes keep going up! Thanks for having NO VISION, our minor league politicians and development director.

Ill keep shopping in Carlsbad thanks wrote on May 13, 2008 9:28 PM:"The center will include a multiplex cinema, restaurants, boutique retailers and 'larger value-oriented stores.'" Nothing in that statement indicates that there will be anything upscale or high-end about this development. With three stores currently operating in our fair city, we live in Wal-Mart Hell already. Just about every other discount and cheapo retailer is already represented in Oceanside, but it would appear that someone thinks we deserve more of them. Oh boy!

John wrote on May 14, 2008 1:18 AM:If building the Pala bypass is a deal breaker for the developer, it should also be a deal killer for Oceanside. We travel on an already crowded and dangerous I76 now. All this for a "Best By"? Get real Oceanside. What happened to the big box store they promised us last time. Bad deal.

stop complaining wrote on May 14, 2008 2:17 AM:snobs!

Mia wrote on May 14, 2008 3:31 AM:Tear down the drive in. How about a Costco or Sam's Club @ this site along with some nice restaurants and shops?

I agree.. wrote on May 14, 2008 6:57 AM:to all you snobs that want UPSCALE shopping..GET REAL!! It is Oceanside for Goodness sakes! A Costco/Sams Club or a Winco would work! A Nordstrom,"up-scale" snob shop...NOT!! Get a life you snobs. Drive your gas guzzling SUVs to Carlsbad and shop to your hearts content!!

Jessy wrote on May 14, 2008 7:11 AM:Open a super check cashing, liquor and Walmart super center. that will do well.

JSten wrote on May 14, 2008 7:12 AM:At least I will have to drive a half mile less to buy the same crap. Gas is expensive.

Too Bad wrote on May 14, 2008 8:45 AM:I guess we can't expect the developers to have a high opinion of us our our shopping needs if our own people don't believe we deserve better.

Osider wrote on May 14, 2008 9:49 AM:When in the heck is the City going to realize that they are taking away our land and short changing the citizens of Oceanside. I for one am SICK OF IT! The city continues to cut corners without all proper procedures being followed while approving prospective projects. I AM SICK OF IT!!!!

Bring Costco wrote on May 14, 2008 10:04 AM:I vote for costco. I am tired of driving to Vista and paying the extra tax just to shop at Costco. Even if the tax rate got raised to 8.25% like Vista I would rather them money go to Oside.

Oceansider wrote on May 14, 2008 10:05 AM:What exists at present on the site is an eyesore. I'm afraid the idea of reviving the drive-in as a movie venue is no longer viable. So, SOME sort of development is called for there -- but does this city really need another Target or Wal-Mart? Is the Oceanside market considered underserved in the low-price big box stores? We already have two WMs, a Target, a BestBuy, and enough 99cent type stores to fill a shopping cart. A Costco makes much more sense -- keep the revenue in the city that is now flowing to Vista and Carlsbad. But another Wal-Mart? Might as well keep the site as a swap-meet; there's little difference.

Iowa American wrote on May 14, 2008 11:17 AM:Already we have two Walmarts, a Target and a K-Mart. What we need is one good-all American grocery store DOWN TOWN! NOT ETHNIC!!!

This shopping center wrote on May 14, 2008 11:17 AM:needs two entrances/exits. Don't make the same mistake that Pacific Coast Plaza did.

resident wrote on May 14, 2008 12:10 PM:I am all for developing that land, but at the same time the long term goals need to be addressed for this city. The biggest issue is the developer needs occupancy now, which means business' that cater to lower income groups who populate east oceanside. I currently shop mostly in Carlsbad but live here O'side, which is too bad. It looks like this deal will go through- which I am for, I can only hope the image of Oceanside, long term, is improved. The walmart shopping center is textbook low income...

Image Builder wrote on May 14, 2008 12:15 PM:More Walmarts -wallmart city, great for our seaside resort town. Tourists visit our fine city!

i thought wrote on May 14, 2008 4:22 PM:I thought the plan was to rid ourselves of the trash-businesses and improve the image of Oceanside. Guess not.

" "It's our last big site to make a decent amount of money," Economic Development Director Jane McVey told the city's planning commissioners last month. "

That's what it's all about now, isn't it? Who is making the money? Not us residents!!!!!

Canyon Crest wrote on May 14, 2008 4:59 PM:1) This is the same developer who built/owns The Forum in Carlsbad, let's EXPECT that the Pavilion is as classy as this project. We citizens need to hold city planners and Council to HIGH STANDARDS for this project--they hold the cards, not the developer.
2) The project is slated to be an outdoor mall, with a live performance theater and other entertainment. It will be a destination, with water features, bistro's, etc. 4) This site is already developed, is now blighted, quality redevelopment is the only smart option. 5) There are MANY fine, new neighborhoods in this area, accessing the Pavilion via Pala is VITAL, make it a "dealbreaker" for Oceanside planners and City Council--don't let them get by without forcing the developer to pay for this road. 6) A Costco IS in the works, across the street from the Pavilion. Hwy 76 has HIGH appeal to developers, if this deal falls through, wait for the next one. This is THE main artery to the casino's from the 5 Fwy, developers want this money stream.

More Movie Theaters wrote on May 14, 2008 10:13 PM:We already have 2 movie theaters in Oceanside, both of which attract gangster youth who have nothing better to do with their time than hang out in front. High end stores yes. Movie theater, no.

Carlsbad Forum wrote on May 15, 2008 12:45 AM:The Forum in Carlsbad does not have Target, Best Buys or any other Big Box retailer. This is NOT going to be a destination point. As usual Chavez, Feller , Kern and McVey are giving away the city.

Sleeping but Awake wrote on May 15, 2008 6:45 AM:Why does everyone think that the population and demographics of our town, Oceanside, is the same as Carlsbad.

Carlsbad is 81% caucasian and 11% hispanic with a median household income of $78,000.

Oceanside is 45% caucasian and 30% hispanic with balance of folks being non-white and a median income of $45,000.

Oceanside is not the same as Carlsbad. We are a Walmart and "larger value-oriented stores" kind of a place. Now I am not saying we are inferior to Carlsbad but we are inferior in terms of income and purchasing power. The Oceanside people with more money will simply need to drive to access upscale shopping as no developer will build a project in Oceanside that is out of line with our demographics. And you can forget about Carlsbad and points south driving up to Oceanside to shop or even visit our beaches and downtown, not gonna happen. What we need is to build highend business and perhaps a University if we want to bring up the median income but that is not in our futre as we have no more land of substantial size. I love Oceanside and embrace the multi-ethnicity fabric of our cities population. For those who want oceanside to be more like Carlsbad, sorry you will need to move there for that.

Well said wrote on May 15, 2008 8:51 AM:O-side is not C-bad. I like the one person who says city planners need to stop developing O-side. What??? Planners just regulate the land use decisions that YOU the population has put in force. If you don't like your land uses then go change them. Developers will only put in what the land dictates they can. So live with Wal Mart and the other low cost stores and then ask "why does other city's protest when these low cost stores come in"? hmmm! Vista take note! Escondido take note you want to expand the Wal Marts you have. Take note what happens to your areas economics!

Math whiz wrote on May 15, 2008 9:49 AM:Just to clarify, in the long ago past we had ONLY 2 Wal-Marts. More recently a THIRD was added, stripping even more from our domestic economy, on many levels. THREE Wal-Marts! Oceanside can be proud of that: for a city of our size, we could be the winner with the most WMs.

Oceanside is not Carlsbad wrote on May 15, 2008 10:16 AM:Because we have Feller, Kern and Chavez with no vision and McVey who is unable to bring well paying jobs to Oceanside. Get them out of town!

Its Oceanside wrote on May 15, 2008 12:51 PM:We'll end up with a 99 cent store, another WalMart, a carniceria, two check-cashing stores, another Angelo's, maybe a third-world style pet store just for kicks. Like so many have said, this place will be over run with punks and gangbangers and NOBODY else will go there unless the Council gives OPD the resources necessary to clean things up once and for all.

oceanside wrote on May 15, 2008 3:32 PM:The developer is responsible for The Forum in Carlsbad - a project that includes upscale and boutique shops. If there’s a well-rounded mix – I think it will benefit our community. I love The Forum so I’m really excited to see The Pavilion following suit. Can’t wait!

Pirates wrote on May 15, 2008 3:58 PM: Personally, I’m happy to see the drive-in go. To be replaced by a “lifestyle center”….No complaints here!

oSide wrote on May 15, 2008 4:25 PM:If theres a target or a best buy, that just means more convenience. I can pick up a few essentials and shop high-end all at the same place/same time.

to Sleeping but Awake wrote on May 15, 2008 6:04 PM:Can't fault your logic at all. Somebody should tell the council and economic development department. They're all hard at work trying to transform downtown into something that our demographic can't support.

Excellent wrote on May 16, 2008 9:35 AM:This shopping center is an excellent idea for this site. I commute to Irvine and go to the Irvine Spectrum a lot. It has a Target, Macy's, Nordstrom, theater, and lots of great restaurants. It works. It is a great destination and Oside can have this too. Stop thinking about the low-class past of Oside and start thinking about its future. We can attract good people from different cities to shop in Oside. I am glad I live here now rather than 20 years ago!

Excited wrote on May 16, 2008 2:49 PM:I have seen what these guys have done with The Forum in Carlsbad and that is the nicest thing in North County... Oside needs this face lift and I can't wait. Half of the project is going to be as nice if not better than The Forum. Up Scale Oside here we come...

Target...Theatre...more wrote on May 16, 2008 3:01 PM:Target and the theatre are just the big pieces that get the #s there to attract the nice shops and boutiques... I saw their plan at the city council meeting... it has restaurants and half of the center is shops. Many of them will be local businesses. Give the local guys a chance!!!

Something Nice wrote on May 17, 2008 1:39 PM:The Forum really isn't all that upscale--it has a number of chain shops that you'll find in other, "average" shopping centers. Fashion Valley and So. Coast Plaza offer more like what I'd call high-end shopping. Jmo. Even so, the Forum managed to attract the shops and restaurants they have without a Target or movie theaters, I think this center could do the same. Most importantly, if they can keep the panhandlers,loiterers, petition signature gatherers, bell-ringers, newspaper subscription sellers and others like them away, we could maybe have something nice here.