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REGION: County will not issue marriage licenses to gay couples for now
Awaiting direction from state
By EDWARD SIFUENTES - Staff Writer | ∞
Gay couples who want to get married in San Diego County under last week's state Supreme Court ruling will have to wait a little longer.
San Diego County will not issue them marriage licenses until the state writes new guidelines, county Clerk Gregory Smith said Monday.
The Supreme Court on Thursday overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage. The ruling does not take effect immediately.
"We are in a holding pattern until such a time as we receive direction from the California State Office of Vital Records on implementing this decision," Smith said in a press release.
Dave Butler, the county's assistant clerk, said Monday that fewer than 10 same-sex couples had asked about marriage licenses, but none have been issued.
He said officials told the couples the county could not give them licenses. He said the couples were told to watch the county's Web site for updates on when that might change.
"We can't do anything yet," he said.
Suanne Buggy, a spokeswoman for the state Office of Vital Records, said the state is developing regulations to implement the court ruling statewide. She declined to say when the regulations would be released, saying only that they would be out "shortly."
"We're going to be in full compliance with the court ruling and we will be issuing guidelines to make sure that counties are in compliance with the ruling," Buggy said.
Ali Bay, a spokeswoman with the gay rights group Equality California, said the county's decision was expected.
"We expect that in the next 30 days or so, the court's ruling will become final, and we expect that it will become law and that counties will comply," Bay said.
The case before the state Supreme Court stems from a 2004 decision by San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom to issue marriage licenses to gay couples.
In his opinion, Chief Justice Ronald George wrote that "an individual's capacity to establish a loving and long-term committed relationship with another person and responsibility to care for and raise children does not depend upon the individual's sexual orientation."
The court ruled 4-3 in favor of striking down Proposition 22, an eight-year-old voter approved initiative that defined marriage as between a man and a woman only.
The question over legalized, same-sex marriage likely will come back to state voters in November. Gay marriage opponents say they have gathered enough signatures to qualify the so-called Marriage Protection Act, which would amend the state constitution to make same-sex marriage illegal, for the ballot.
If passed, the constitutional amendment would override last week's Supreme Court ruling. Prop. 22 only added a statute to the California Family Code.
"The will of the people has been completely undermined by four individuals," said Ron Prentice, chairman of the ProtectMarriage.com coalition, which helped collect signatures for the proposed constitutional amendment. "In November, the people will have an opportunity to overrule the court's decision."
Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-3511 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.
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Attacking marriage wrote on May 19, 2008 1:29 PM:Oh! Thank God! As soon as this attack on marriage happens, hundreds of thousands of hetero couples will divorce instantly!!
Awww shucks wrote on May 19, 2008 1:41 PM:I was going to come down there with my sister so we could get hitched!
This is not right wrote on May 19, 2008 2:01 PM:I had people coming from Utah and Texas to get special california marriage licenses. They and all of their wives and children are going to be soo disappointed. How about San Franwacko? Does anybody know if they are giving out special wedding licenses?
Osider wrote on May 19, 2008 2:06 PM:Well, at least the county is on board and waiting for the actual disposition. This is a disgrace to the moral well being of our children whom have to now have to grow up with this in their face. I sure hope the Feds shut this down! This is not what God intended when he made Adam and Eve othewise, he would have made Adam and Adam.
Randy wrote on May 19, 2008 2:34 PM:Heterosexuals don't bother with marriage; they just shack up. With the high probability of divorce, why would anyone in their right minds want to get married anyway?
Your Church wrote on May 19, 2008 3:47 PM:could be sued and/or tax exempt taken away! What if a gay couple want to marry but the church where they want to marry doesn't believe in it and refuses. They sue the church for discrimination. Away goes the tax exempt etc etc. Nice consequence.
Stone wrote on May 19, 2008 3:52 PM: Well, don't ask, don't tell goes down the drain when a couple applies for a marriage licence. Everybody in the world can know about the couple even if they don't get the licence.
Curtis wrote on May 19, 2008 4:14 PM:Hey Osider, why don't you just move to another country where the government doesn't recognize human rights.
dear fearful people wrote on May 19, 2008 4:21 PM:your kids will be okay. just because they see two people of the same sex getting married doesn't mean they're gonna go crazy or lack the morals you indoctrinate them with. there are plenty of worse things out there now than two people who love each other who want to be treated just like everybody else and want to get married. if you raise your own kids well hopefully they will be accepting people and will not believe that the entire world is going to heck just because of homosexuality. i dont understand homosexuality, and could not imagine ever being attracted to someone of the same sex. but deciding who and who can't get married is not my job to decide. and quit using the slippery slope as a way to explain how bad you think same-sex marriage is. use some reason and logic, and throw in some tolerance. no one is forcing you to get married, so get over it.
Dean wrote on May 19, 2008 4:28 PM:Hey Osider,
You sound like one uptight, intolerant person. I thought all humans were Gods creation and he teaches us to be tolerant of others. Oh yeah....if you do not drink the kool-aid then your evil.
Osider wrote on May 19, 2008 4:32 PM:Curtis, Curtis, Curtis, did you get your little feelings hurt? You people already have your rights in place so, dont force your lifestyle that you have chosen down my throat. The people of California have already spoken. GET OVER IT! Your Church has brought up another very valid point as well. Just try and get married in a church and see what happens.
Bouchard wrote on May 19, 2008 4:34 PM:California, Vermont, Massachusetts, etc., should be expelled from the USA so they do not contaminate the rest of the country. Righteous, moral families should get government relocation assistance and ten years to relocate, after which they lose their citizenship.
Duh wrote on May 19, 2008 5:14 PM:If you don't believe in same-sex marriage than don't marry someone of the same sex... problem solved. And if you think that gays are taking over and are going to ruin American life, look around you... we're in every aspect of American life, so we deserve every aspect of American life, including a marriage. Also, for those trying to prove a point about trying to get married in a church, there's plenty of US Churches that will allow gay marriage once it's legal. There's also plenty of churches that don't allow heterosexual marriages... let me see two Protestants get permission to wed in the Catholic Church... it's up to the church to decide who they wed, either way there should be no punishment.
Kim wrote on May 19, 2008 5:38 PM:I am disappointed that the County is not taking the opportunity to make a positive statement about opening its doors to more people. A far better example of public service can be found at the Riverside County Clerk's website.
Bo wrote on May 19, 2008 6:00 PM:I'm not bashing gay marriage, just questioning the un-fairness of American "morals" enforcement. It's O.K. for gays to marry and adopt children, but having multiple wives or husbands is illegal even if it is an intregal part of your religion? So freedom only applies to gay people?
To BO wrote on May 19, 2008 8:21 PM:No, having multiple wives that are under the legal age of consent is illegal even if it is an integral part of your religion. Keep in mind that ultimately the government decides whether you are a religion or not. Everybody knows it's not worth starting a religion if you can't be tax exempt!
Hey Osider - if your God is all knowing, then this has to be part of God's plan, eh?
To Your Church wrote on May 19, 2008 8:39 PM:No church is required to marry any couple they don't agree with, that was and still is protected under the First Amendment.
But some churches should be investigated by the IRS for political campaigning. Using churches to collect signatures is blatantly unconstitutional, and the tax exempt status for those churches that did should be revoked.
Bob wrote on May 19, 2008 8:46 PM:It's about time. Just 40 years ago it was illegal for blacks to marry whites. The same bull religious excuse was used.
R wrote on May 19, 2008 9:01 PM:This is just social conditioning. Homo sexual relationships have always been and always will be wrong. If you keep saying something is right or start calling it Civil rights then people get conditioned to the idea. God gives us free will - you make a choice to behave a certain way. God does love everyone -even when we make poor choices.
Landlubber wrote on May 19, 2008 9:05 PM:"dont force your lifestyle that you have chosen down my throat"?!?!?!? What th-? As it stands now, homophobes are forcing their own conception of marriage on the 5 to 10 percent of the population who are gay. Get over yourselves already. And if you think civil unions or "domestic partnerships" are just as good as marriage, then you should divorce your spouse and reregister yourselves as domestic partners instead.
Fed up spelling wrote on May 19, 2008 9:09 PM:Hey Fed Up: You misspelled "y'all." I don't think I'll be asking you to write up my marriage documents, whomever I marry.
CommonSense wrote on May 19, 2008 10:30 PM:Examples of special privileges are tax exemptions for churches. Christian zealots need to recognize the existence of other people. Buddhists, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans, Spiritualists and Atheists all have the concept of marriage. Christianity did not invent it, definite, nor does it have a monopoly of it. Society, and government define it, and more and more people recognize this. It's a personal choice between adults to enter into life-long companionship. The rights entitled are there to protect each family member in the case one is no longer able to provide security for the family. Gender is not a requirement for defining a family or a spouse. Love and life-long commitment define this. Perhaps as a society, we should be focusing our efforts on preventing divorces, and focus our attentions on being the best spouses and parents possible, rather than preventing loving couples from getting married.
Ready for the next Holcast wrote on May 20, 2008 12:08 AM:This is going to happen against homosexuals, maybe not in the large numbers as before but it will happen! prepare for hate crimes cause god will strike down those who deliberately disobey his wishes.
Where about to endure a war on our own soil, be prepared!
Yokozuna to Fed up spelling wrote on May 20, 2008 5:54 AM:Good debate tactic! If you don't have an intelligent counter point attack the opponent's spelling.
Thinking wrote on May 20, 2008 5:56 AM:Hey Osider I don't think it's their lifestyle they be wanting to force down your throat.
Thinking wrote on May 20, 2008 6:17 AM:Hey Osider. Do you believe everything you read ... Adam and Eve...?
oside mom wrote on May 20, 2008 7:23 AM:with all due respect, a church's tax exempt status cannot be revoked because it does not perform or recognize a "marriage" between two people of the same sex. It's a basic founding principle of our county, called "separation of church and state". Last I heard a court hasn't struck that one out of the books...
Paco wrote on May 20, 2008 7:46 AM:Marriage has always been a religious event. Requiring a license is a legal issue. More like a tax to get more revenue. If gay marriage is against what the bible teaches, then marriage should only be allowed between a naturally born man and woman. Civil unions with all the same benefits should be appropriate for gay couples. I don't think all that many people have a problem with civil unions. There are a lot of people who do have a major problem with gay marriage.
roger wrote on May 20, 2008 8:37 AM:tax all churches take away there tax exempt status whats so special about them i pay dont you pay put a end to it
To Paco wrote on May 20, 2008 8:58 AM:Jee Paco - what happens if the Bible and the Book of the Dead conflict? What about controversy between the old and new testaments? What I'm saying is the Bible is irrelevant in this case. What the bible says is of no concern to the secular world, and certainly does not govern the secular world. This decision does not force churches to recognize gay marriages, so churches should not be imposing their world view on government. This is why our country is so great.
Reardon wrote on May 20, 2008 9:15 AM:Culture changes, and culture can accommodate many varied concepts.
Muslims prefer polygamy -- we legally condemn it. Both systems work well for THEIR cultures. Before the arrival of Capt. Cook, the Hawaiian culture featured immediate coupling between whomever wished, whenever they wished. That worked for them for a thousand years!
If a colony is set up on the Moon with 30 men and 1 women, should we enforce monogamy on that colony? (How about 30 women and 11 men?)
Get a grip! Law should not interfere with people seeking consensual happiness, absent physical harm to others. Making other people religiously unhappy does not concern me particularly -- religious people get quickly and easily unhappy with the actions of others.
Live and Let Live wrote on May 20, 2008 9:28 AM:Please let's keep our children in a MORAL society of premarital sex, divorce, and hypocrisy. We wouldn't want true monogomous relationships that won't be taken for granted thrown in their faces. Please let them continue to play violent video games, text each other inappropriate comments, and meet strangers on myspace. What is the world coming to when we condone unconditional love and tolerance?
Esteban wrote on May 20, 2008 9:30 AM:Whats a Holcast ? Answer: A Butchering of the word Holocaust. I have questioned religion for years & God hasn`t struck me down. Y`all make God out to be this petty & spitefull dictator. God is a loving & forgiving (except when it comes to murderers,child molesters & rapists) God. I can` wat to sit down with her. I have so many questions to ask.
dreaming wrote on May 20, 2008 9:33 AM:downward slide of any nation is when homosexuailty is accepted and praticed
it is a perversion and disgusting
Court of King George IV wrote on May 20, 2008 9:35 AM:Three justices of the California Supreme Court are up for retention election in 2010. They are Chief Justice (King) George (IV), and Associate Justices Carlos Moreno and Ming Chen. King George and Carlos Moreno voted for Gay Marriage. Ming Chen voted against.
To to your church wrote on May 20, 2008 9:44 AM:That is what the Boy Scouts thought. First Amendment quarantees free speach but NOT tax exempt status etc.
Confused wrote on May 20, 2008 9:49 AM:WTF is a "Holcast"? I swear, some of these people... how stupid is our populace?
What wrote on May 20, 2008 9:50 AM:The next Holocaust? Your phrasing suggests a legality and constructive nature to the German-led Holocaust. You're obviously not an education or, specifically, history-centric individual. Check out Westboro Baptist Church, you'll probably feel right at home.
Anti-Discrimination wrote on May 20, 2008 9:58 AM:No church would or should officiate a marriage ceremony that they don't agree with. However, the same cannot be said for the issuance of a marriage license. There are plenty of ways to get married outside of the church and no goverment agency in the US has the right to deny the issuance of any such license based solely on race, color, religious, sex, sexual orientation or whatever other flavor of the week bias happens to exist. As long as the people requesting the license are legal, tax paying and law abiding citizens of this country they should be able to obtain the license ... period. I really don't know why that is so difficult to understand.
wording wrote on May 20, 2008 10:19 AM:yes...call it " civil union" and then everyone can calm down. (Gay folks will still call themselves "married".) Who cares ?? It's their business!! I don't care what the bible says either. Not everyone is religious !! FYI, young people today are open minded. Many are "out of the closet" already, even at school age. They don't see it as that big of a deal, unlike conservative religious people do! With so much over-population today ...don't worry, they'll still be plenty of heteros around. Like it or not, gay people & the issue of their rights is not going away ! Why is everyone so threathened by gays? They don't hit on straight people ! Did you know...not everyone is the same?? yeah duh! So if a guy likes a guy and you like women,,,who are YOU to say that's wrong ??? change is happening now so better just deal with it!
Ya know wrote on May 20, 2008 10:54 AM:I am a "live and let live" person, but I also read the bible and feel this is terribly wrong. California is going to hell. I pray that the anti-gay extremists don't come here now looking for a way to eradicate these people trying to legalize a marriage that is completely immoral. We don't need anymore trouble here than we already have!
Osider wrote on May 20, 2008 11:03 AM:Once again, you people are forgetting the morality and the damage this can cause on a young childs mind. This is why the original intent of marriage is between a man and woman so they can raise their children as God wanted. I dont thing anyone would want to see a young child being exposed to this kind of lifestyle. Kids are like a sponge and will absorbe everything around you including your gay lifesytles. How would you like to go to school and say my mommy is a man? THIS IS WRONG in every religion of the world and in some countries, you would be beheaded! Why cant you gays just be satisfied with the civil unions you already have and be thankful you live in the US. This is not what God intended and you all know this otherwise men would be able to have babies. He did not create Adam and Adam but, a MAN and a WOMAN!
to the holcast genius wrote on May 20, 2008 11:20 AM:preaching the word of "God" but talking about commiting hate crimes against homosexuals? What the heck kind of crap do they teach you at church these days?
and to "wording"... couldn't have said it better myself.
seems that all the homophobes don't have a valid arguement except that the mythical creature they read about in the fairy tale book thinks its wrong.
Civil Union wrote on May 20, 2008 11:26 AM:Why should the wording matter? Why should they HAVE to settle for civil unions? I have a feeling GOD does not approve of HIS name being used in the name of intolerance and judgment. That's what Hitler did. He killed homosexuals too you know.
Yea Osider wrote on May 20, 2008 11:28 AM:I would really hate for a child to be influenced by a gay man. Much better that he be mentored by a catholic priest. Sorry, but after all that has transpired in the church recently, it has lost all credibility when it comes to ANY moral grounds. ...
To Osider wrote on May 20, 2008 11:57 AM:What God said, intended, wanted or whatever has nothing to do with this issue. God does not govern our nation and the Bible is not law. I'm a happily unmarried heterosexual and I really fail to see the problem. I also have to wonder what kind of a God would be supportive of this much hate and venom. Not to mention ... absorbing the gay lifestyle?! That's probably one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. My gay uncle was the best babysitter my son ever had and he didn't 'turn gay'. I mean really ... It's not like it's some disease that we're all going to catch if we drink out of the same cup or something. That's ridiculous. The ultimate fact is that, in our as free as America can be society, you cannot allow the so-called ideals of any religion to allow and encourage state sponsored discrimination. Period.
The End wrote on May 20, 2008 11:58 AM:Here's a dilema for you. Gay illegal aliens invading our country! See, things are'nt as bad as they could be.
to Osider wrote on May 20, 2008 12:03 PM:Didn't you hear? Kids won't be allowed to say "mommy" or "daddy" anymore. It's discriminatory to do so.
If wrote on May 20, 2008 12:05 PM:I married my father... that would make me my own son, and I would not be an only kid anymore... I would be my own brother...my grandpa would now be my dad and my mom would be my sister.. heck my kid would have 2 dads and I would be his uncle too... Wow... neat..
to Wording wrote on May 20, 2008 12:06 PM:The point you are missing is that "marriage" is a religious term. Secular governments hijacked the term for legal purposes.
"Civil union" was just fine.
Andy wrote on May 20, 2008 12:18 PM:We need to pray that the people practicing sodomy will repent before God judges California.
Soooooooo religious term wrote on May 20, 2008 12:30 PM:By that logic heterosexual atheists cannot be married either. That seems so reasonable.
wording here again wrote on May 20, 2008 12:44 PM:I gotta say...after seeing the huge difference in perspectives...I am glad I don't go to church OR read the Bible. And as for marriage between a man and woman , I would say about one in ten actually LAST. They are good for having kids but you don't have to be married to do that. Marriage seems to be on the decline with the younger generation. Just a observation:)
religionmarriagewording wrote on May 20, 2008 12:47 PM:well I'm not religious, so I'll never be "married" . Works for me:)
well Andy wrote on May 20, 2008 12:54 PM:what about the girls? They don't do that! Oh yeah...it's ok for girls cuz they look better together than men right? This whole thing is so stupid. Pray all you want, I'm going to work! Oh and as a native Californian..I would be delighted if all these transplants moved back to their bible belts!! This might just do it!
Monica wrote on May 20, 2008 1:00 PM:To Osider said it very well. My very best friend is gay. Didn't corrupt his god daughter - my daughter. Didn't corrupt me, though we have been best friends since high school. Him being gay didn't influence my sexual preference nor did it destroy the idea of marriage for me -- hetros did that. Hetros killed marriage for me (will always remain happily single) What he did teach me was that being gay didn't change his character. He is still a great person. Love him to death. Hanging around at gay clubs in NYC with him didn't change my preference either. Some of the most fun, coolest people I've ever met were my gay male friends.
Reardon also, put it well, the law should not interfere with personal happiness and the pursuit of said happiness. Unless of course it physically harms another. Someone else mentioned, dating and marriage between black and white races was illegal in many states and if Mr and Mrs Loving didn't stand up and fight, it probably would still be that way. In all honesty, I don't understand why it would be an issue for anyone else not involved.. Osider, your life doesn't impact mine. I don't even know you nor do I care to. Why then would some unknown gay person's marriage affect you? Why not teach children by showing them that everyone has the right to be who they are. Why not show kids that should they be gay, society would accept them and not ostracize them. Parents are the influence to their children, and should not allow others that right. Stop being afraid of the alledged gay bogyman. Marriages won't change due to gay people having the right.
One more thing...How do you know what your mystical god wants? How do you know there is a god? Can you prove this god of yours made such statements regarding gays or anyone else? And no you can't use the bible as your proof. Man wrote the bible. I want hard proof. As in date and time that god told you this. Video would be great.
Didn't whites say that god didn't want races to mix? Same argument isn't it? Doesn't hold up, ya know.
to Osider wrote on May 20, 2008 2:05 PM:God DID make Adam and Adam, and all the other homosexuals in this beautiful, diverse world.
JB wrote on May 20, 2008 2:09 PM:The whole argument of god created adam and eve not adam and steve is so tired!
Homophobes: You aren't being forced to marry someone of the same sex-get over it! Stop the bigotry and hatred and try to pass on tolerance to your own families, instead of worrying about others!!
ROBERT wrote on May 20, 2008 2:10 PM:CMON NCT WHY ARE YOU NOT PUTTING IN MY POST WHAT I CANT SAY THAT IT IS A CHOICE AND IT IS NOT WHEN YOU AREBORN OH MY WOULD HATE TO MAKE THE GAY FOLKS MAD
Pluto wrote on May 20, 2008 2:13 PM:to Your Church @3:47pm. You are wrong, making things up. Churches won't get sued or lose their tax exempt status. Mass has had gay marriage since 2004, and nothing bad has happened. You bigots have to make things up because you have no real arguments except some obscure passages in the Bible, nothing from Jesus or the 128 commandments in Exodus 20-23.
Pluto to Fed Up Spelling wrote on May 20, 2008 2:20 PM:I'd love to see your marriage documents. How many "y'all's" are in your ceremony?
Karen Trail Oregon wrote on May 20, 2008 3:34 PM:Andy
[-] wrote on May 20, 2008 12:18 PM:
We need to pray that the people practicing sodomy will repent before God judges California.
That statement always cracks me up
LOL.... I'm sure every 'moral' person does not have oral sex
KarenTrailOregon wrote on May 20, 2008 3:38 PM:Andy
[-] wrote on May 20, 2008 12:18 PM:
We need to pray that the people practicing sodomy will repent before God judges California.
That statement always cracks me up
LOL.... I'm sure every 'moral' person does not have oral sex
What about me wrote on May 20, 2008 3:40 PM:When I recently asked for a copy of my marriage license, the court clerk had to break some unpleasant news: My wives were listed as brides in twenty eight marriages in the county.
Oops now word wrote on May 20, 2008 4:26 PM:is coming out thee Muslims are not pleased with the gay ruling. My advice go get them Muslims, we Americans are behind you one hundred percent. And be sure to call your law makers and tell them the Muslim community is not amused.
Peter wrote on May 20, 2008 4:30 PM:Look like we all should emigrate to Saudi Arabia to escape this mess.
Abraham wrote on May 20, 2008 5:01 PM:If gays can marry and adopt childrem why can't Mormons / Muslims / Atheist have more than one (legal age) wife? What if the female members of a new religion, let's call them the Momroms,want more than one husband? What justification is there to jail these people for having more than one legal age spouse? Why do only gay people get special marriage laws? Get the government completely OUT of family life!
yes yes yes wrote on May 20, 2008 5:03 PM:i am so glad we are not issuing marriage licenses yet, maybe will never happen,
To Wording wrote on May 20, 2008 5:03 PM:You may not care or believe what the Bible says, but One day we will all stand before the Judge. I would'nt want to be one of those who so disrespectfully slandered his Word.
But I'm sure you don't care about any of that. See you on judgement day....
To Abraham wrote on May 20, 2008 5:40 PM:I for one would support legal polygamy. The only rules are that everyone must be of legal age to consent and must all approve of the structure & numbers in the relationship. Basically, as long as all parties to a relationship are legally consenting and don't object ... what's the problem ... and why should it be anyone else's business?
Re To Wording wrote on May 20, 2008 5:43 PM:Judge lest not yet be judged. If you believe in the Bible then you believe that you will ultimately be judged by the way you judge others. Further, you believe the God is the one true judge and really the only one with the authority to do so. With that in mind, I certainly hope you support the rights of others to 'violate' God's word the same way you have the right to 'uphold' it. Back off and let others live their lives while you live yours ... God will sort it all out in the end.
Alf wrote on May 20, 2008 5:50 PM:Well, "To Wording" at 5:03PM, such is your belief. While I understand and respect that you have a belief system that works for you, there has been no proof of your beliefs (in about the last 2000 years) or that of the Muslims or that of the Hindus or any other "higher power" belief system. IF a "civil union" conveyed EXACTLY ALL the legal benefits AND responsibilities of what the state calls "marriage", I do not believe that there would be such an effort by "gays" to be able to "marry", do you? A point to ponder, ja? Regards, Alf.
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