LETTERS: NCT, June 2, 2008

By Readers of the North County Times | Monday, June 2, 2008 12:33 AM PDT

Pro bono is your money

Ever wonder how lawyers can afford to litigate Proposition 22, religion, fish, bugs, oil drilling, power plants and so forth? Surprise! You pay them. After the Civil Rights Act was passed, our legislators discovered it cost them money to enforce it, so they passed the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Award Act of 1976. This was such a good idea that, in 1977 they passed the Surface Mining and Reclamation Act, providing for attorney fees if the plaintiff prevails. Eventually all civil rights and environmental laws contained the same provision.

So who usually gets sued? All levels of government. If the suit is lost, or settled by the government agency, they (you) pay legal fees to the plaintiff. Look up legal fees collected by the ACLU and all the supposed environmental groups.

It becomes even easier when your politicians do not like defending something you want. The politicians settle or refuse to appeal. Their hands are clean. Hello, Arnold and California. Suddenly pro bono becomes lucrative contingency. Lose and it becomes a tax write-off for the lawyers. Who cares if you need gas, water, or your way of life protected? Not the pro bono lawyers or our complicit politicians.

Peter Murnieks

Vista

How did oil become so expensive?

Just when you think gas prices were slowly decreasing, problems seem to occur toward our economy. How did the numbers end up this high? Oil is plentiful but pretty expensive. I think that there are two reasons why the oil prices are increasing so quickly. First, I think that President Bush did a horrible job solving the world's problems. By not handling the situations very well, he seemed to make the economy worse.

Secondly, population plays a huge role also. The population is growing twice as fast as it was in the 1900s. If the population is growing twice as fast, the demand for oil will outpace worldwide production. Of course, this will lead to an increase of prices for oil, and even a high possibility of wars exploding and oil-dependent economies suffering.

I remember when gas prices were a little over a dollar per gallon. I didn't know what those prices meant at that time, but now that I think back to that time, I wish it was as cheap as it was then.

Lola Bae

La Jolla

His heart wouldn't be in it

Once again, a pat on the back and a tip of my hat to Mr. Harry Titus (Letters, May 19). I am sure that he is a sincere and dedicated "rent-a-cop" and I appreciate his offer to join him, but I couldn't put my heart into it like so many of those folks.

My first impulse would be to eliminate these unnecessary stop signs. I thought the city of Oceanside got rid of that Ph.D. ... that ran the traffic department. I heard that King James wants to install more red-light cameras. Jeez, what leadership.

Anyhow, Mr. Titus, thanks for the polite reprimand and keep those sedans rolling.

G. Charles Evans

Oceanside

Quasi-military groups need more control

Blackwater is an organization employed by our government to take the place of military personnel. However, they operate with [little] accountability to any government agency.

Blackwater has made large profits with [little] responsibility for their actions in Iraq. They have gone without correction for numerous violations. ... Not long ago, Blackwater attempted to develop a training facility in eastern San Diego County. The citizens voted it down.

Recently, Blackwater attempted to get approval for a training facility near the city of San Diego using a [different] name. This is being challenged in the courts. Our military forces need to be under the control of our government, not private organizations.

Bill Wernett

Fallbrook

Stop condoning usurpation of our laws

As a society, we have basic rules of conduct, laws that we follow for the benefit and betterment of its citizens. ... Pedro Rios (whom the North County Times cites ad nauseam) condones the usurpation of our laws by braying about "rights," "fear" and even "nefarious" ("ICE operation nets 137 in San Diego County," May 23). Mr. Rios may score points as a drama queen, but this paper's continued use of his bellicose rantings only make your obviously agenda-driven opinion irrelevant.

With almost 600,000 criminal fugitive illegal aliens out of 12 million total illegals, this task is indeed important and urgent. I give accolades to the ICE agents for the daunting and dangerous task they do. Mr. Rios may try to discredit our fine agents by saying, "cast a wide net that can catch any illegal immigrant an agent meets." ... Mr. Rios needs to advise his "friends" not to associate with [criminal illegal aliens and fugitives] who carjack, assault with a deadly weapon, commit domestic violence and sexual assault. I love immigrants who are "tired and poor, that come in through the golden door," not the ones that sneak in the back door at night.

Joseph Best

Oceanside

Will of the people versus judicial tyranny

Webster defines marriage as "the institution whereby a man and a woman are joined in a special kind of social and legal dependence for the purpose of founding and maintaining a family." In 2000, California voters approved the prohibition of same-sex marriage. In 2008, the California Supreme Court, by a four-to-three vote, gave legal status to gays and lesbians the right to marry. By a one-vote majority versus 36 million people in California, a precedent was decided.

Abraham Lincoln in 1863 said in his Gettysburg Address "that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom and that the government of the people, by the people and for the people shall not perish from the face of the Earth."

Wake up, California, to this travesty of injustice and manipulation of the concept of marriage! In the realm of electricity, a male and female plug is needed to carry current to a lamp. What can gay/lesbian partners produce to continue the human race? Marriage is sacred and should be protected against a redefinition for the sake of the gay liberation.

Bill Baer

Carlsbad

Wah, wah, wah arguments

On May 28, June Kristapovich wrote a Community Forum ("Airport, riverbed future tragedies") that can be summed up in one sentence: I bought a house near an airport and I don't like the airport, so the city should close the airport.

The arguments are always the same: It costs too much, it's dangerous, it's used only by people with planes and I don't have a plane. We get the same sort of statements from people who buy million-dollar houses next to the train tracks and then discover that trains make noise. Perhaps a more concise summary would be "Wah, wah, wah."

Robert Matthews

Oceanside

Don't ignore the resources of Dumpsters

I would like to remind the citizens of North County that we have a great treasure in what many believe is pure trash. Dumpsters of large grocery stores ... have great treasures up for grabs for all of us. These large supermarkets throw away billions of dollars' worth of products every year, many of which are only mildly defective and some of which are still in perfect conditions. It is not uncommon to find unopened bottles of pills, unopened bottles of drinks, freshly cut flowers that were not sold and even toys. Dumpsters provide a great deal of free goods for us that would otherwise be wasted.

There is undeniably a stigma behind Dumpster-diving, but this should be done away with. It is clear that Dumpsters contain many great resources, which we should not waste. People of all backgrounds come to use the resources of Dumpsters, from homeless men to my very own biology professor at UCSD. Dumpsters hold a great deal of treasures that all of us can use and enjoy, and it would be a tragic waste to ignore this resource.

Narisa Silver

La Jolla

TIP Academy provides quality education

The TIP Academy provides quality education, and our children thrive in all areas of studies. TIP Academy takes the theory and puts it directly into practice. Students are encouraged to think, ask questions and reason. Students learn to research and apply their findings to many different disciplines. Students learn to take charge in scholarly thinking with humility. They learn to care and develop compassion for those less fortunate through service. They learn caring for the environment through beach and lagoon clean-up projects.

TIP Academy recognizes every child as gifted and scholarly in a different area that may not be recognized in a traditional school GATE program. Teachers take the time to teach with different methods according to the child's learning style. Classes are limited to 28 students.

Aida Sultanyan

Carlsbad

Wasting fuel

As I sit and wait for my child to get out of school, I am amazed to see a soccer mom in her shiny SUV with the engine running for 15 to 20 minutes because it is too hot outside. This is absolutely ridiculous!

Fabian Avalos

Oceanside

'Splain it to me, Ricky

I don't understand why our state, as well as our communities, are in so much debt. ... Gov. Terminator is going to borrow money on state Lottery money in order to keep our teachers from getting pink slips. Even I, the ignoramus that I am, know that borrowing money does not solve a problem. It just creates another one. I'm not sure, but I think that when you borrow money, you have to pay interest on it. Well, I guess next, Gov. Terminator will borrow money on our teachers' pension funds. Just think, you guys, at least you'll have a job.

Here in the city of Vista, they just got a half-cent sales tax increase and they are now charging businesses for fire inspections. They used to be free. By the way, multiply an average cost of $80 per business, times 3,500. That is additional money the city is collecting.

Now I understand the city is planning on cutting back on public safety. Their reason or excuse is they are having a financial problem. You don't think it's wasteful, government spending, do ya? Good God, I'm starting to sound like a country hick. I know the city of Vista is ... in debt. ... My question is, how does the city expect to pay for that debt with $100k in population? That includes men, women and children. 'Splain that one to me, Ricky.

Robert Martinez

Vista

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Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:43 AM:The news is reporting the "U.S. reinstates Fulbright scholarships to 7 Gaza Strip students". Just great. Now were giving scholarships to terrorists. Why am I not surprised?

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:55 AM:Over the weekend, the treasury secretary, Paulsen, said that nothing can be done about the price of gas. Since Bush hired Paulsen right from Goldman Sacks, what wold you expect. He probably said it a day after Goldman loaded up on oil investments. Isn't it funny he can do something about the mortgage crisis to bail out his friends at JP Morgan, Citi, Bank of America and Merrill Lynch, but he's unwilling to do anything to stop his oil speculating buddies with the big hedge funds from strangling Americas working class. And natually the liberals have full blame in this too, as they stonewall every attempt to drill and refine to end the crisis, or build nuclear to provide the energy this country needs. Then the fools wil vote for Obama and wonder where their jobs went

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:00 AM:>>Blackwater attempted to get approval for a training facility near the city of San Diego>>> Yes they did, and the liberal panty waists that infest the government that say "No" to jobs, but yes to same sex marriage and their precious SB777

Bob wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:03 AM:Relax, Bill Baer, they're not going to make gay marriage mandatory.

Roger wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:14 AM:Lola Bae remembers when "gas prices were a little over a gallon". I can still remember when gas pumps, before the Ford administration, couldn't be set above 99.9 cents, so I knew gas could never go over $1 a gallon. I was wrong.

Bodecea wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:36 AM:Funny, Bill Baer...I just looked up marriage in the Online Webster and it says:

'Two people who are married to each other; "his second marriage was happier than the first"; "a married couple without love".'

NOTHING at all about a man and a woman exclusively.

You weren't lying to us, were you?

Yokozuna to Bodecea wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:57 AM:Mr. Baer may have an older pre PC edition published before the "enlightenment" period. That's why I find references to dictionaries so comical. When a letter writer begins "According to XXXX dictionary...." that's the time to tune out simply because there are a plethora of dictionaries and one can find a definition to suit a particular need. I often wonder who peer reviews the dictionaries.

Roger wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:28 AM:The 7:57 AM poster questions "who peer reviews the dictionaries"? Other lexicographers do. Cage fighting has nothing on a heated debate of descriptive vs. proscriptive vs. prescriptive lexicography!

And you thought the Dewey Decimal Classification System vs. the Library of Congress Classification System debates were brutal!

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:36 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:43 AM: Prove it. Is any of the receipts on any terrorists list? Its just in your prejudiced mind, all Muslims and all Palestinians are terrorists. But, this is typical trash from Chuck.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:51 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:55 AM: Why
didn't the oil crowd together with the rubber stamp Republican Congress under GWB,oil man, legislate the drilling? Look at the record of the EPA under Bush?

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:59 AM:>>> "who peer reviews the dictionaries"? >> Blithering liberals who choose to change "weather cycle" to "global warming" so they can line their pockets and speculate the price of oil and grains into the stratosphere

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:12 AM:The news is now reporting that China and India are slant drilling oil 50 miles off the coast of Key West. Well, I guess if the liberals don't want America to have our oil, someone might as well have it. This is how low the liberals have sunk.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:14 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:59 AM:
What absolute drivel. Day after day, he writes drivel.

Pluto wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:16 AM:Apparently Joseph Best won’t be happy with the North County Times unless it prints only comments he agrees with. Pedro Rios’ comments are not “bellicose rantings”, or “braying”, and he is not a “drama queen”. He is Program Director of the local American Friends Service Committee, an organization concerned about the human rights of all immigrants and refugees. The North County Times doesn’t cite Mr. Rios “ad nauseam”, and their “continued use” of his comments is not evidence of an “agenda-driven opinion” by the newspaper. It’s good journalism to seek out qualified spokespersons for all sides of an issue. It’s clear what kind of journalism Mr. Best would prefer, and he can certainly find such biased publications around town and online. By all means, Mr. Best, read only things you agree with.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:16 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:55 AM:
Can we put the nuclear waste in your back yard?

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:18 AM:There has been a recent process to extract oil from algae. Duh, ask Shell oil. Why do you think with all the oil the planet has taken out of the ground, the estimates of world oil reserves have risen every year. Algae has been the source of oil for a billion years and algae isnt going away soon, neither are oil reserves

Jack_D wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:22 AM:Lola Bae says she remembers gas being a dollar a gallon. Sure, and milk was 25 cents a gallon at one point too. It's called inflation- the inevitable consequence of the Fed increasing the money supply. As the Wall Street Journal has reported, if the Fed had simply kept the dollar stable against the euro, the price of oil now would be $80/gallon not $131.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:28 AM:This reminds me, Peter Murnieks. How many times has our illustrious Sprinter been sued now? 2 times? 3 times? Costing just over a million?
For the enviromentalists, IT is the gift that keeps on giving.
These guy's are using it to fund their general fund coffers.
And the Mt. Soledad cross...
Do you know the guy seeking to remove the cross lost? And the City of San Diego was required to pay his attorney?
Even though they had lost?

Fred wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:31 AM:Per Bill Baer's letter, those blithering pantywaist liberal judges didn't consider lexicography, the Gettysberg Address or even electrical cords in their gay marriage decision! What were they thinking?

esteban wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:35 AM:Ms. Silver....!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!! Have fun at the bottom of a smelly dumpster!!!!!

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:44 AM:I think Lola Bae has the oil price deal backwards, as to which came first?
She is correct, the explosive
industrialization of both China & India have pressured world-wide supplies.
I, also think that President Bush did a horrible job solving our oil supply problem. When he figuired out he had a bunch of whiny RINO's, he should have signed an executive order mandating the drilling in ANWAR and off our shores.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:52 AM:Harry Titus is no "rent-a-cop", there G. Charles Evans. He's a volunteer, unpaid, the best kind. I really respect people like Mr. Titus, because they are willing to give of their own time to help the community.

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:08 AM:Another piece of news you won't read anywhere, but it's the truth regarding THE WORLD BANK.
Brazil went to The World Bank for a loan to help develop their Country. The World Bank said sure, but we need some collateral. Guess what the collateral was? The Amazon River Basin. Brazil couldn't repay the loan. Shoot, they couldn't even repay the interest.
Now guess who owns the Amazon River Basin? That's right, The World Bank!

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:18 AM:You know... for just once... Just Once, I'd like people to use more than the talking points they were handed this morning. And a little knowledge of history wouldn't hurt either.
And one suggestion, Bill Wernett. When you read those talking points, use a dictionary, it would help you.. a lot!
As per his liberal talking points, he uses the term: "Quasi-military groups",
could he be describing your local SWAT team, or police force?
The people within Blackwater are "the best of the best." Their record of no loses of high-value targets speaks for itself. Even several liberal Congress people reluctantly praised Blackwater when Eric Prince testified before them.
The main thrust of Blackwater is to train our service men & women. This latest project by Blackwater is seeking to train Navy personel how to repel an attack from a terrorist threat against their ship. Surely, we could have used that very type of training of our military people during the Cole attack?
History many times has some weird sort of quirks. As the liberals have called for the military to take over the security duties of Blackwater, a lesson from history should be mandated on every single liberal Congress member who thinks using Blackwater is a bad idea. The Pinkerton National Detective Agency, usually shortened to the Pinkertons, was a private U.S. security guard and detective agency established by Allan Pinkerton in 1850. Pinkerton had become famous when he foiled a plot to assassinate president-elect Abraham Lincoln, who later hired Pinkerton agents for his personal security during the Civil War. At the time of Lincoln's assassination, his security was no longer handled by Pinkerton, but by U.S. Army personnel.
Now, this is no bag on our military, but some are better at it, than others.

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:19 AM:More on The World Bank and The I.M.F.

Do you folks remember when they said that they were going to forgive all the 3rd World Countries their debt and wiped the slate clean?
Do you have any idea how they were able to afford to do that? I'll bet you don't.
You see, The World Bank and The IMF didn't actually lose any money by forgiving the debt.
We Americans are paying for it at the pump. That is the truth my friends.
That is one of the other reasons gas prices are so high. Like I said earlier, THE WORLD BANK controls the price of oil and the price of gas. We are being taxed at the pump without most of us even knowing it. The money goes directly to THE WORLD BANK to pay the debts of 3rd World Countries that were forgiven by THE WORLD BANK and The IMF.
There is a reason for all this madness regarding oil, and it's not the best interest of the American People.
Cheers, Nick.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:28 AM:And, one more thing about Bill Wernett's insistance we get rid of these "Quasi-military" groups...
It is said by the liberals in Congress that folks like Blackwater are "poaching" the best and the brightest" from our military ranks.
The solution, it would seem to me, would be to match the pay.
We always hear this argument from the lib's whenever we are speaking about teachers, this need to pay more for the best & the brightest. Why doesn't the same thinking about our military follow?
It's because it is more liberal clap-trap, sound bites from those who really despise the military, unless they are handing out food like a Glorified Meals on Wheels. That's why...
You watch, after all this nonsense about Blackwater, and their insistance that we make the military take over the assignments Blackwater previously held, if the liberal Democrats are able to take more seats in both the House & the Senate... mark my words... We will all watch as they down-size the military to fund their pet projects.

JK wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:39 AM:There is no oil supply shortage as made clear by the Saudi's denied Bush's weak non-attempt at getting them to increase production, we all know he was only their for a party to celebrate their huge profits. The only shortage is in the oil futures market where hedge and pension fund money is driving the price up so they can continue making profits off the backs of working class Americans.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:42 AM:Personally, I like to use the plumbing analogy, though the millions of years of human evolution, how nature, or Mother Gaya to some, has seen to it that very particular genetic outcomes will prevail. But, I also like your analogy of electricity, and a male and female plug. It works just as well. Thanks Bill Baer.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:45 AM:Instead of complaining about Wasting fuel, Fabian Avalos. I have an idea for you, ok? The next time you see some
soccer mom in her shiny SUV with the engine running for 15 to 20 minutes because it is too hot outside. You go over to her window and tell her "This is absolutely ridiculous!"
See what she tells you? and report beack to us, I really gotta hear how you made out, ok?

Oh Please wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:51 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:59 AM: LOL Liberals are controlling the markets and prices with speculation. LMAO. It is the monied corporations and their rich conservative investors who have that ability. Liberals are too busy trying to help the poor and the middle class which is being destroyed by conservative economic policies and profiteering of the war.

one more thing wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:58 AM:Lola,
You forgot to say that Bush is an OILMAN!
Do you think he and his cronies will leave office RICHER than when they arrived?
Dah! I think so.

Three D wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:58 AM:Attempt post 8:45 a.m.; try again 10:58 a.m.
Bill Baer's letter calls marriage "sacred," which is a religious reference, and thus requires absolute neutrality in the realm of public policy, which is what was mandated by the Court.
As for the myth that the current definition of marriage is somehow ancient or traditional, we must remember that through most of human history, and in many places of the world today, the "traditional" definition of marriage has been one man and multiple wives, who are of the same ethnicity and are his chattel property. C'mon, I know you don't want me to again list all the places in the Bible where polygamy is established and authorized.
Baer further cites a definition of marriage that he uses to claim its purpose is for "founding and maintaining a family." Same sex couples do establish families. In any case, does he propose that post-menopausal women be barred from marriage? Any infertile person? Is Baer suggesting that, in addition to the blood test, a fertility test also be required for marriage?

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:58 AM:(Come on Mr Ed. Second time submitted)
The letter by Lola Bae touches on the price of oil, but unfortunately she is like most Americans, they don't really know what is going on. I will try to shed a little light for you all.
First off, the oil companies aren't the ones making the huge profits, THE WORLD BANK IS, that's right, THE WORLD BANK.
It only costs Saudi Arabia $5.00 per barrel to bring it out of the ground. It cost's us $3.00 per barrel in Alaska.
The price is manipulated by the middleman that NO ONE talks about, and you know who that middleman is? That's right, THE WORLD BANK. They are the ones who tell OPEC how much they are going to pay for a barrel of oil on a daily basis. They are the ones controlling the pricing. Why? It's their way of controlling people around the world. By controlling the price of oil, they actually control the economies of the Countries of the world.
You see, back in the 70's, Henry Kissinger made a deal with the oil producing Countries of the Middle East. We agreed to buy all of our oil from them, if they would sell their oil as the American Dollar and also, use a percentage of their profits to buy our National Debt. There were 2 Countries who DID NOT sign the agreement. Guess who? Iraq and Iran. Just before we illegally invaded Iraq, Saddam was going to sell his oil in Euro's. THE WORLD BANK was the one who would lose Billions from that, and that is why we invaded Iraq.
Iran is next. Don't believe the hype coming from our Government, it is all about oil. You see, Iran has already given a timetable when it will flood the market with Millions of barrels of cheap oil, but they will do it in Euros. That is the reason we will soon be going to war in Iran, and mark my words, it is coming soon.
You see, we will be at war for a long time to keep cheap oil in Euro's from coming on the market. We have to keep buying it from the Saudi's so they can keep buying our National Debt. It is a vicious cycle and there is NO end in sight.
There is more oil on the North Slope of Alaska than there is in Saudi Arabia, but we will NEVER see it for the very reason I just told you about.
The First Gulf War was a setup by our Government to take out Saddam, and it failed. That is why GWB went in a second time under false pretenses.
President Bush Sr sent a man by the name of Abna Dethrey, who worked for the State Dept, to see Saddam and give him a message. The message was that America WOULD NOT interfere if Iraq was to invade Kuwait. It was a lie and a set up. Saddam invaded Kuwait under the guise that he would not be stopped, but we all know what happened next. That was Bush Sr's excuse to finally try and take him out.
It's all about oil, but NOT in the way that most folks think. People better start paying better attention before it's to late, and that time is very near.
Cheers, Nick.

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:01 AM:According to several news sources I'm reading, the Democrats have seated the Michigan delegates with only 1/2 a vote.
According to one source, the gaysocialites, "The DNC rules committee voted to seat the entire Michigan delegation with 1/2 vote each... By a vote of 19 to 8, the motion carried to seat all of Michigan's delegates despite the fact that they will not receive a full vote."
I only have one question. Does this not resemble "The Three-Fifths Compromise" back in 1787?
You know, after the fallout from Gore 2000, and Kerry/Ohio 2004, you'd think they could have worked out an agreement acknowledging full memebership within the party? On top of that, the preimenince of the Superdelegates, and the Super-Duper Delegates should tell every single Democrat where they currently stand in their party structure. At the bottom, just as the Vanguard likes it!

Ron wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:29 AM:I'd like to thank "Three D" @10:58 AM for helping to make my point. He is exactly right. What business is it of the government to decide who should marry, how many, or even whether they are of age? Marriage is a private, personal relationship, and the government has absolutely no right to discriminate against people who genuinely love each other, and want to make lives together.
As he/she says: Polygamy has existed for centuries, even in Utah until the Federal government mandated they cease the practise. And it is part of the "human tradition."
So, my liberal side tells me, if the government is to "get-out", then get out.. altogether.
But, you see.. this is NOT what the gay/lesbian side is arguing. They are arguing only to the point that will directly benefit them, and exclude all other's. I find this wholly un-liberal, and discriminatory. If we are going to open it up, let's truly open it up!

OBAMACAN wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:35 AM:No, Ron at 11:01 a.m., there is no resemblance between the Democrat's primary compromise regarding Michigan and Florida and the 3/5 clause.The 3/5 clause was to declare certain humans only partial humans.
The Michigan/Florida compromise was to allow people to vote.
Do you understand that if you are convicted of a felony the penalty is that you lose your right to vote? Are you aware of that? Is that comparable to the 3/5 clause?
Well, Democrats in Michigan and Florida broke the rules, and there was a penalty, intitially to strip them of their vote entirely (like the penalty for a convicted criminal).
But because Democrats love democracy so much, they decided to still let them vote, but just reduce it partially as a less severe penalty.
We are talkin' about penalties, not personhood!

Fred wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:36 AM:Three D's post at 10:58 AM conveniently skirts the issue of the Gettysberg Address which, as Bill Baer points out, is an essential part of this debate.

sdraoul wrote on Jun 2, 2008 12:12 PM:Sorry, DD, but the censor won't post my lengthy response with dates and article titles of the three articles the LA Times has published of mine since March. Go to LA Times Online and punch in my name in their archive search.

As a matter of fact, you can go to the LA Times Online today and my latest is there in Opinion LA.

Don't question me, DD. I don't post what isn't true.

Oh Please wrote on Jun 2, 2008 1:05 PM:Ron[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 11:01 AM:
LOL. Does Ron really think that the Democratic Party will entertain his observation and council. You need to be a Democrat to receive any consideration. Ron is not a member.

Pluto wrote on Jun 2, 2008 2:19 PM:I submitted two comments this morning around 8-9am. Why weren't they posted, budget cuts?

Votecounter wrote on Jun 2, 2008 2:21 PM:Hey Ron (11:01 a.m.), you do know that the Republicans also penalized the Florida delegation by stripping half their delegate strength.
Is that also the same as the 3/5 clause, or does it only count when Democrats do it?

Gas Tax Holiday wrote on Jun 2, 2008 2:37 PM:What happened to the Gas Tax Holiday that McHillary and McBush were pushing last month? Memorial Day has come and gone and not a peep out of either of them. What? No more primaries to win? Can you spell P-A-N-D-E-R?

DD Wiz wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:02 PM:The post from "sdraoul" (12:12pm) pulls his typical switcheroo.
When I replied to your post from yesterday at 6:34pm, it was to your comment: "when I write my books (or articles for the LA Times or New York Times)".
These are the names of NEWSPAPERS, not online services.
There is a difference between the Los Angeles or New York Times newspapers (print editions) and the online editions. You did not specify that, and that is a material difference which you misleadingly chose to omit because you wanted to create the impression you were published in the newspaper, not on the online blog.
I found your blog online.
I did not find anything in the print editions.
You say in this afternoon's post: "I don't post what isn't true."
That is, itself, not true. You have repeatedly been caught red-handed misrepresenting facts, details and distorting people's records to try to destroy reputations of honorable public servants.
Yesterday you made repeated allegations that Scott McClellan did not write his own book, a charge he has denied. You offered no proof or substantiation of any kind. This is typical of the kind of baseless charges you often hurl recklessly at others.
If you claim it's true, back it up.

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:20 PM:Hey "SD Raoul", you owe me dinner! I never did get a response out of you after your little "prove it" fit, and I did.
Time and place, and you get the check.
Cheers, Nick.

Reardon wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:22 PM:Pluto & SDRAOUL: I don't think it is the e-editors -- I think it is the system, but I did not have two lengthy posts not submitted last night. My resubmissions were also not posted.

I have decided not to do further work on this Blog, rather than have my work go into a bit bucket. It does not pay to research and write -- just to have the work product disappear.

I wish you all well -- the NCT has no need for this Blog, its while I don’t think the e-editors have dumped my posts, the Editors have even expunged the word "fat" from one of my posts although the same word appeared in another post just minutes before.

Too arbitrary for me. Bye.

marriage -- will of the people wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:53 PM:It took time to get used to women voting.

It took time to get used to Black people sitting in the front of the bus.

It took time for Country Clubs to allow minorities to join.

It will take time to adjust to same sex marriages. It will not make any impact (ie no negative impact) to your lifestyle.

Our current divorce rate is major. Same sex marriage may change that rate. Stay tuned.

Bill One wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:12 PM:Ever time I fill up my car I hate enviromrntalist even more. They are driving the jobs out and the cost of energy way up!!

Hilarious wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:32 PM:The first writer on this page complains about public interest lawsuits. Guess he doesn't understand that these cases are taken in the name of protecting the publics' health, safety & welfare. Let me know next time you want to drive a Ford Pinto, ok?

Bill wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:40 PM:Bush didnt drive me out of the futures investment market.

What did it for me was when Madam Speaker and her ilk got elected.

Is there anything that isnt Bushs fault?

Blaming Bush for that sounds ultra uneducated.

to F.A. wasting fuel wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:46 PM:The person (may not be a soccer mom) may have a health condition.

Maybe there was another very small child in the vehicle that needed the cool air.

Maybe there was an old old person in the vehicle that you did not see. An old old person would need the A/C.

Did she have ice cream or other frozen or cold groceries such as milk, eggs.

Maybe the driver had some heavy thinking and the cool air helped.

What is your point?

Would you feel the same way if she had a dirty old beat up truck?

Are you from the fuel police squad?

Chuck wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:47 PM:>>>Pluto wrote on Jun 2, 2008 2:19 PM:
I submitted two comments this morning around 8-9am. Why weren't they posted, budget cuts?>>>Do you think you're someone special?? We all have comments that don't posted

the early s wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:49 PM:Dear Lola, I recall when gasoline was $.25 a gallon. Besides inflation. gas is getting expensive because we are running out. I never really thought oil was infinite. My dad worked for Mobil as a geologist. You are correct on your overpopulation argument. But I don't think we are ready to deal with that either. Let's just coast along and see what happens in the future. Will we all die at once or are we destined to seed the stars?

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 4:54 PM:I have felt the same as you "Reardon", many times my friend. These blogs have gone downhill ever since the impliment of the new format and facelift. I don't know if it's the Blog Ed's fault or not, but it really does suck and I believe they know it.
My post at 10:48 am, was actually first submitted at around 9:20am this morning. I re-submitted it 4 times and they finally posted it at around 3:00pm, even though they used my second post with a different time stamp.
If folks are really sick of the Blog Blues, might I suggest we all start calling the main office and flooding Mr. Peter Yorks e-mail box.
I have personally called the main office on more than a few occasions and have spoken with Mr. york on 2 seperate occasions.
Until he understands that more than a few bloggers are tired of the Blog Ed games, things will continue to be the same.
Kinda like the course of our own Government. Unfortunately, the powers that be don't really know or don't really care.
Cheers, Nick.

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:01 PM:To Marriage-will of the people:

Women get to vote. Will it get Hillary elected? I doubt it.

Black folks get to ride in the front of the bus. Has it helped out public transportations rider numbers? I doubt it.

Country Clubs allow minorities. Has it beneifited any of the Country Clubs? I doubt it.

Gay couples get to marry. Will it benefit the institution of marriage? I doubt.

I'll will tell you this though, gay couples are as welcome to be as miserably married as the rest of us.
Cheers, Nick.

Roger wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:06 PM:Sorry to see Reardon go. Actually learned a lot from his posts.

I was the one he was responding to when they expunged "fat" from his post. I had refered to Newt Gingrich as a "fat hypocrite" and his response had refered to Ted Kennedy as a "fat hypocrite". For whatever reason the moderator had found "fat" offensive, and removed it (but not hypocrite, which I would have found more offensive, but who am I). Reardon was less than ammused with their allowing my "fat" but not his.

NCT really should look for some way to make this censorship more even (not at all sure how, but they should).

Anyhow, will miss you, Reardon.

Bye Reardon wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:19 PM:I agree with Reardon that the editor's "rules" or decisions seem to make little sense. But I can't help but wonder if that's the reason Reardon is hittin' the road. Recent days have seen our friend called on so many of his claims that my theory is that it's a wounded ego and no more. Good luck, Reardon, whoever you are. You may carry on with your theory that liberals detest the poor in less public circles, perhaps among those who agree with you.

can you help me with this raoul wrote on Jun 2, 2008 5:24 PM:I was listening to the Leonard Lopate interview show on the radio, and his guest today was Scott McClellan. McClellan described many things that were in his book, elaborated on them when questioned, etc. So, raoul, help me: was that Scott McClellan on the radio today as he claimed, or was it someone sitting next to him, "working closely" with him on what he was saying? Hey, for that matter, how do we know that there isn't someone "working closely" with raoul on what he posts? Perhaps I have someone "working closely" with me right now...I'll never tell.

Blackwater... wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:23 PM:Are highly trained former military... unlike our quasi-police forces who run around trying to walk the walk.... but generate money with traffic tickets instead...

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:00 PM:Reardon[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 3:22 PM:
I recall that you left previously. Two days after your announcement, I believe that you were back. We'll keep out the watch for your return.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:12 PM:Ron[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:18 AM: Not true. They are the best that money can buy. The best of the best have laid down their lives for half the monetary price as
members of our armed forces. I have been in the martial arts for over 40 years in San Diego County. I know or know of most of the people who want to organize Black water in our area and other mercenary people like Sure Fire. Are they good-you betch. Are they best. No way/ The fact of the matter is that the baldest, best trained, best in the bush etc were the special forces from South Africa pre Mendella. The USA has no business in training mercenaries, permitting mercenaries to be trained within our borders and is immoral for employing them. Black water exists because it founder is buddy buddy with Bush. When Bush is gone so will their contract.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:16 PM:Blackwater...[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 6:23 PM I do not think that SWAT gives out tickets. SWAT is a part of our police force. What do they have to with military ops, armed forces or mercenary? Your comparison shows a complete ignorance of such affairs, mission and responsibility.

sdraoul wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:19 PM:I ust watched Scottie McClellan on Bill O'Reilly and before that with Chris Mathews. It is obvious that he didn't write the entire book. He can' answer detailed questions and keeps harping on how he hopes his book will :change" Washington, the same washington that has been th same for two hundred years.

He has admitted that his editor "tweaked" the manuscript. he also admitted that his George Soros financed and mostly owned publisher publishes mostly "liberal" books by an 8-1 ratio.

His 20-20 vision is astounding especially as he talks about certain analysts at the CIA questioning that the bulk of the CIA believed for years -- Hussein had WMDs. Names, sCttiem we need names, ranks and serial numbers.

Oh Please wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:20 PM:can you help me with this raoul Who do you think would work closely with sdraoul?

Greenergy wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:22 PM:Bill at 4:12 p.m. has his blame bucket misdirected.
Environmentalists are not the ones causing gas prices to go up - we are the ones trying to implement alternatives so you can smile and wave as you drive past the all the poor suckers at the gas stations.
Environmentalists are not causing jobs to be lost, we are creating new jobs in solar, wind, and electric cars. A company in Carlsbad is now manufacturing electric cars to go on sale later this year. How's that hurting the economy except for those like Ron and Bill who made lousy bets in oil stocks and energy future.
Gas is going up because:
- Bush treasury dept devalued the dollar
- Bush oil cronies are getting rich off the backs off consumers
- Bush is diverting gazillions of barrels of oil to fuel military operations in the rathole of Iraq
- Competing demand for oil from China and India, who will also follow us after we prove its cheaper and cleaner to go electric.

Oh Please wrote on Jun 2, 2008 8:27 PM:sdraoul[-] wrote on Jun 2, 2008 7:19 PM:
That is just your opinion. Quite frankly, I am sure that you aware of what the majority of bloggers think of your opinion. Good night all.

Nick wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:28 PM:I hate to say it "Greenergy", but you also have your blame bucket misdirected when it comes to the cost of oil and gas.
Give my earlier posts a gander and you will start to see the light. It doesn't matter how hard you folks push for alternative energy, the powers that be will not allow any substatial change from oil. They will only allow enough change to appease all those that think they are making headway in the search for alternative energy, but never really letting the world convert.
It is a HUGE conspiracy, and GWB and his father are merely puppets in the big picture.
Google "The Energy Non-Crisis" and give it a read.
Cheers, Nick.

To Reardon wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:30 PM:In your new life, Spend more time looking ahead, and less time in your Reardon view mirror. To the chagrin of many, Most of us will not be remembered thirtey minutes after out last post anyway!

jvc wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:31 PM:The fact of the matter is that these blog sites would self destruct without Reardon!

Floyd wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:33 PM:Now just think, if everybody had given me the references when I asked for them I could be the full-time blog editor! Then you wouldn't have to worry about varying editorial standards since I would treat everybody fairly and equitably, even the loonies who think the government's job is behavior modification. I've been around awhile, you know what to expect of me! Really, all I need are some references and we can have a GREAT blog-o-sphere!!

Chris to sdraoul wrote on Jun 2, 2008 9:40 PM:What is this about you being some writter or having articles in the LA times. You say you don't post what isn't true. That is a load. Your blogs out here don't match what you say about yourself.

sdraoul wrote on Jun 2, 2008 10:35 PM:As the saying goes, who cares what the "majority of bloggers" on this board thinks? They don't write my royalty checks.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 3, 2008 8:34 AM:sdraoul: Its ok to receive royalty checks for fiction as well as non fiction. But, you must care what we think. You keep bothering us with your drivel.

Bob wrote on Jun 3, 2008 9:05 AM:I wasn't aware that vanity and subsidy publishers issued royalty checks.

DD Wiz wrote on Jun 3, 2008 10:10 AM:The post from "Nick" (9:28pm) refers to the conspiracy of those getting rich off on oil and I imagine there is some truth there. He notes that: "the powers that be will not allow any substantial change from oil. They will only allow enough change to appease all those that think they are making headway."
My house is powered by sunshine and I am actively looking for the best alternative for an electric car, as several options already exist and several great new options available by the end of the year.
As long as I become wholly free of my oil habit, I suppose I don't have to worry about the massive of sheeple who continue to wallow in their addiction while protesting that energy independence isn't really feasible. If I don't use any gas, I won't care if it is $10 or $20 or $100 a gallon, kind of like how I, as a non-smoker, never worry about price increases in cigarettes.
And if AB1920 passes so I can sell back the excess solar electricity I produce, I may even be hoping for energy prices to go up even more so I can sell it to SDG&E at the higher price, and those who don't think it really works can help fatten my bank account!

Chris wrote on Jun 3, 2008 10:34 AM:I think that it is these Royalty Checks that sdraoul says he gets are fiction.

To DD Wiz wrote on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 PM:Hey Wiz Kidd, I don't use it so it does not effect me. How Foolish, ignorant and selfish of you is that? As the price of gas and oil goes, so goes your food and everything else you buy. I don't smoke either, but if cigaretts go to $20 a pack, I sure hope you are not the one getting robbed by someone with only $5 in there pocket and needing to buy a pack!! Start thinking outside of your little world. Econ.101

To SD RAoul wrote on Jun 3, 2008 1:34 PM:I guess you get no Loyalty checks either.

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