Dbaby wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:19 PM:My husband and I were on our way out to Palm Springs on Friday, we saw several motorcycles pulled over with almost all the riders on the ground in handcuffs.............so if none of them were arrested..........then why were they pulled over???? I may be agreeing with tribal members.......

Sqamiam wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:27 PM:I witness some of the events last Friday as a crepted along in traffic on my way to work. It appears that the RCSO went way overboard. profileing and harrassing people. It was unnerving to have to pass a motor home pulled over on the west side of the southbond lane with a RCSD pointing a shotgun and another with a riffle pointed eastbond at a motorhome. If it was really neccessary for all that gun play shouldn't they have closed off the freeway. Again RCSO shows itself for what they really are. A taxpayer funded gang.

Dave wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:48 PM:My thanks to law enforcement for taking a pro-active stance this weekend!

paul wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:12 PM:Hey Dave, I hope next time you're on I-15 you're pulled over for possible crimes you haven't commited.

Officers wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:17 PM:in California need to learn about proper gun handling.

karl wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:37 PM:dave you are out of your mind. this was a ridiculous waste of my time and our money.

Wasted Taxes wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:34 AM:Seems like the only benefit from Friday's fiasco was to allow our officers here in the valley conduct a training exercise. Hope the rest of the residents of Temecula enjoyed the extra gas consumption, wasted time on the freeway, and abuse of our tax dollars to stop a crime that never happened. As for me - I'm ticked. Be aware City of Temecula that the next time you ask me for any tax increase, I will remember this idiot mission and vote no! You apparently have more than enough money for the police force.

To Officers wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:44 AM:In California, bloggers should really learn what was going on behind the scenes before they post their comments.

Grump wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:59 AM:Too much gun play??? Maybe when the cops are dealing with parollees, convicted felons, and outlaw bikers who proudly wear patches that say they have killed for their club, the cops should hold them at bay with sling shots.

JuanGrande wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:28 AM:This had been a great display of how abusive our authorities have become. The Mongols may be an unsavory crowd, but the true test of our freedom is how well we respect other persons freedom. We will not loose out freedom in one fell swoop, rather it will come one group at a time. It is not a grand conspiracy, it is just the way facsism spreads. If they can get away with harrassing the mongols they will move up the social ladder to the next undesirable group. One day it may be you. Our apologies to the Mongols, not all San Diegans are jerfs. Have a great weekend guys.

Bikers wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:29 AM:It's been proven that they are dangerous to society so why not take precautionary measures. Good job Sheriff's Department.

not amused wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:35 AM:Hey all of you "freedom" lovers. Sorry about the traffic delay. A gang member on the other hand could care less about your freedom and/or rights, and would just as likely take the constitution and place it where you cannot read it without surgical medical assistance. That may even cause you some type of terminal delay as has been shown in the past when innocents mingle amongst gangs. Then of course as usual when bad things happen the cry would be, "where were the cops" or some donut joke.

Bro wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:37 AM:Those who think the police over reacted should go to the biker's meeting Saturday night. Chances are you'll be begging for an officer who responds correctly when facing groups of known criminals.

Bakudan wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:01 AM:Don't try to pump that Freedom Issue, Not Amused and Bro. Our Freedom fighters are over in Iraq and Afganistan. Not here in Southern, California. So I you think you guys are fighting for our freedom. Think again, we as citizens can fight our own wars here at home.

Way to go cops wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:09 AM:They took precaution and proactive police work. That is what they are supposed to do. Was anyone rights violated? No, most of these thugs do not have a 4th right, that is the right to search. They gave up that right when they committed the crime that they did. A officer does not need probable cause to search someone if their 4th right has been revoked. They (the cops) can get this information just from running their license plate. Also, the thugs are Interstate 15 would not pull over when the police tried to stop them. That made the crime fleeing from police. If these idiots want respect then maybe they should start by obeying the laws. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure this out, just a damn good attory. to figure on how to get them out of it.....

Give me a break wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:15 AM:I read last week that those arrested were for crimes as "handle bars to high". How dare those mongols commit such a heinous crime. I am not defending them as they are considered an outlaw group. But please can't they get them for something more serious? The manpower would be better used catching the drunks driving to and from the Balloon and Wine Festival. And no problems reported at the Indian reservation. Way to go cops wasting taxpayers money.

Artsyrat wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:20 AM:I'm thankful for the cops taking a crime prevention stand. Notice...there weren't any problems with the biker gang. A biker gang that has a documented history of causing trouble, serious trouble! Crime prevention works and I THANK YOU law enforcement for your successful efforts. Good job.

QUESTIONS... wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:35 AM:Why the exclusive focus on this biker gang to the exclusion of the thousands of gang members in Escondido, Vista, San Marcos, Oceanside? Why don't they do the same thing to MS 13 and other dangerous gangs that are terrorizing citizens? Something is not right w/this picture. Looks like the authorities may have violated some civil rights here. Illegal alien gangs are flooding our communities. Why aren't the police using their strong arm tactics to round them up???

esteban wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:39 AM:If the cops did nothing, then they would be wasting taxpayers money. But they were being proactive, which stops crime. So actually, you are getting your money's worth and more.

esteban wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:40 AM:Google the Laughlin Hells Angles/Mongols fight and that will show you how peaceful they are. Some of you have not enough sense to be out on the street and raising a family.

Whats next wrote on Jun 8, 2008 10:59 AM:Whats next? Cops coming into restaurants. bars and seeing couples having a glass of wine together. Then arresting them because the guy looks intimidating since he has tattoos and presumes they will be over the limit and driving. I am for law and order but this was a huge waste of resources.

Not amused wrote on Jun 8, 2008 11:02 AM:It would seem with his or her line of thought, Bakudan would prefer to reside where anarchy reigns and he with the biggest gun or rules the largest mob wins. In some neighborhoods that is certianly the case at times. Of course that is not the America most of us want We are a society of laws and hopeful civility, and as most Americans do, I also thank our troops, and the police for protecting those freedoms we all enjoy. The same freedoms that far too many take for granted. The only line between civility and anarchy are those who understand what freedom costs and act upon that knowledge. That allows the rest of you to spout off about a gang having the right to swarm anywhere they please, except of course in your neighborhood.

Tojuangrande wrote on Jun 8, 2008 11:20 AM:Apparenlty, you are an eminent authority on how fascism begins. Lets see what history tells us, instead. Look to Stalin, Hitler, and even Saadam Hussein. First, they had groups of violent, murderous, criminal thugs serving them (like the Mongols?). They conned the populations of their countries and others, for their own gain (Mongols propoganda?), with lies. If anyone was percieved as against them, whether they spoke or not, they were summarily imprisoned and/or murdered (by the way, in the millions) thus inflicting terror and fear on the general population to control it (gee, why do the Mongols dress and behave the way they do?). Freedom of speech? Due process? Speak against them, you and/or your family will suffer and/or die. You were, however, "due" a "process" if you opposed them. That process was simply to imprison and/or kill people that were merely perceived aas disagreeing with them. If there was any "trial" at all, it was a sham for its propoganda value. What do many of the Mongols membership do? The same thing. It is thug organizations like these that can become the true fascists, and even on a grand murderous scale (history repeatedly shows milions have been killed), if left unchecked. I'm sorry, but American cops in police cars aren't even the slightest bit close to the same thing.

Roger wrote on Jun 8, 2008 11:30 AM:Perhaps the RCSD has been watching "The Wild One" staring Marlon Brando and Lee Marvin (1953 B movie based ever so loosly on 1947 Hollister "riots"). Things are a bit retro in Riverside County.

SD Deputy wrote on Jun 8, 2008 12:48 PM:Citizens can talk all they want to about San Diego Law Enforcement, but the fact is that what happened in Laughlin (3 dead, 20 hospitalized and 36 arrested) did not happen in San Diego County and that's all it matters. If the Mexican Mafia has a meeting in San Diego, would you want us to concentrate in giving grandma a ticket for speeding? I don't think so! google Mongols and Mexican Mafia and let me know how you feel about it afterwards.

Bill wrote on Jun 8, 2008 12:49 PM:One look at the history of this biker group and you will find that the violence they commit has been committed against RIVAL gangs at BIKER Rallys.

Fighting over turf.

Knowing there were no rival gangs in La Jolla, the Sheriffs department used propaganda to justify a pro active approach which, if conducted on any of you would be called harassment.

But why not?

They already know they can fire weapons at kids and expect our fearless DA to protect them. Imagine the cop defenders if they fired at a gang member for NO REASON?

They can get away with it at will and they know it.

Sometimes the only difference between a cop and a gang member is the badge.

There is NO EXCUSE for this type of behavior absent an immenent and credible threat.

But I find some of you amusing. Some of the same people that cry and whine about Bush being proactive in Iraq actually support this type of proactivism.

Hussein was a known thug too.

Is this an admission that Bush was right?

I am a lot more afraid of an out of control cop than I am a renegade biker gang.

The biker will be prosecuted and the cop wont be.

Bill wrote on Jun 8, 2008 12:59 PM:We are a nation of laws?

Is that a joke?

Tell that to Bonnie Dumanis who only sees a criminal element in those who dont wear badges.When police can fire their weapons at will, and without an immenent threat, then calling us a nation of laws just is not accurate. A nation of laws holds law enforcement to a higher standard based on their acts being under color of authority.

We dont do that.

There was no threat here and the lack of violence is proof.

The Hollister biker rally hasnt seen a violent act since they started having that event again in 1996 and there are rival gangs there.

What reason is there to expect violence here other than the fact that a biker gang was there.

The Mongols have ZERO history of attacking innocent civilians.

There is no reason for this to happen but to grandstand.

This is the type of crap that erodes my trust in law enforcement.

Is someone crying wolf?

Bo wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:05 PM:There were no (known) problems because of the Law Enforcement presence. Thank you all for the coordinated effort! The Hells Angels are still quite active in San Diego County, and the Angels and Mongols are still fighting over control of the methylamphetamine market. The situation could have become deadly without the increased law enforcement. People may think that the Angels are not a threat anymore because you don't see them taking over sections of the town like they used to do in places like Pacific Beach and Mission Beach in the '60s and early '70s, but they are more of a national security threat now than ever! They have learned that there are big profits to be made in drugs if they keep a low profile. I grew up with two current Hells Angels, both are well versed in methylamphetamine manufacturing. The Mongols are no different!

To Bill wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:09 PM:The lack of violence this weekend is proof that there was no threat? Your logic isn't logical! That's exactly like saying that the ancient Mayans must have had cellular phones because there are no telephone poles found in Mayan ruins!

to Bill wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:12 PM:I agree with you. Police have a different set of laws with no accountability to the public. This is becoming a police town as our rights are slowly being taken away.

Jeff wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:17 PM:Maybe the fact that there were hundreds of deputies there kept Hell's Angles from showing up thereby preventing a massacre. The end result was no major problems. Who knows what would have happened if the Sheriff did not take a preventive stance.

No freedom fighters in Iraq wrote on Jun 8, 2008 2:34 PM:Troops in Iraq are doing noting to protect American freedom. They are there for the money, record high bonuses, billions in bonuses. Sorry if that is politically incorrect, but it is true. In fact our actions in Iraq have been welcomed by terrorists, thanks George, Iraq has been a great recruitment tool for terrorists.

Im bad wrote on Jun 8, 2008 3:25 PM:Where do I sign up? First off I will not shave my head & I abhor tattoos. I will not commit murder & I will not snort crystal meth. If I have to have a nick name I would like Harley. I currently ride a 71 Schwinn with a bannana seat with a red sparkle custom paint job.

wait... wrote on Jun 8, 2008 3:26 PM:in the beginning of the article it says none of them had been arrested, but at the end it said 15 had been arrested
so which is it?

The force it with esteban wrote on Jun 8, 2008 4:28 PM:From 6/8 at10:40AM, esteban said,"Some of you (have not) enough sense to be out on the street and raising a family." So, Enough sense have we not, you say, old esteban (Yoda)? It's hard to take you seriously most of the time.

FWY VICTIM wrote on Jun 8, 2008 4:46 PM:I have to admit I was angry at first for being stopped by gun-point for no other reason other than being a member of a motorcycle club, because everytime I asked why I was pulled over none of the officers would give me a reason. I read these comments and I laugh at how often we are refered to as a motorcycle gang! before anyone refers to us as a motocycle gang they better do their homework. WE ARE NOT A GANG! WE ARE A MOTORCYCLE CLUB! All the facts are there, don't rely on law enforcement to define things for you, or National Geographic channel, Billy Queen etc....... or sensationalized journalism to explain the reasons for law enforcement harrassing me on my way to a camping trip! Call La Jolla Indian Reservation yourself, ask them how many drive-by's ocurred this weekend, how much vandalism ocurred at their campsite, or any other activity that is familiar behavior for gang members. Call an ask how many problems they had with this MOTORCYCLE CLUB, and I bet they will laugh at you! Just as I laugh more and more when I tell the freeway incident story to my family and friends. Thank You! taxpayers of San Diego for providing the free security at the camp-site for my MOTORCYCLE CLUB all weekend! I have to admit the helicopter was annoying all day and night, but such is the life of a MOTORCYCLE MEMBER.

esteban wrote on Jun 8, 2008 6:13 PM:To "no freedom fighters..."...if you stop listening to Olbermann, maybe you can join an intelligent discussion one day.

rezballo wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:09 PM:...I say let the police just write traffic tickets and eat donuts. Then the gangs can have their way with society, and all would be better, right?
I mean, they should have more rights and respect than the law abiding, hard-working, tax paying, economy-driving citizen! Pull your heads out people.

gonzo wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:22 PM:For most who commented in this blog... "IGNORANCE IS BLISS." Did anyone consider that there were no problems because the cops were present in large numbers and taking a proactive stance against any potential problems? There is much more that goes on in the community that a majority of the law abiding citizens have no idea about. I want to thank the cops for keeping my community safe while my family slept. If even for a short time, the mere presence or law enforcement alone acted as a deterent to crime throughout the area. Again, thanks to all southern California law enforcement for a job well done.

cmon wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:26 PM:to fwy victim: ha ha, yeah right you guys are nothing but an innocent bike "club". Either you are still "prospecting" and know not what you are dealing with or you are flat out lying. If you are a Mongol with a Mongol patch, then you please tell the kind folk online here what it took to obtain your Mongol patch and tell me it wasn't illegal. They don't hand out patches for being a boyscout. You didn't buy your Mongol patch online did you?? Even the Vagos are mild compared to your group. Who are you trying to kid? Yourself??

bkr wrote on Jun 8, 2008 7:27 PM:mr.fwy victim as a resident of Escondido i would like to apologize for the appalling treatment of you and your families in your pursuit of a nice family weekend you did nothing out of line .peace bro.

Bystander wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:17 PM:I have an idea. Let's blame cops for everything! Preventing crime, not preventing crime, not being there when we want, being there when we don't want, they should've preventing this and that. Oh, what's that you say, that's not a new idea, we're already doing it...

to bkr wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:41 PM:You don't speak for the rest of us. We do not share your kindly regards for these folks. So please, don't try to apologize on my behalf. The cops did nothing wrong and there fore have no need to apologize.

John Boy wrote on Jun 8, 2008 11:25 PM:I'm sure these bikers were all nice boys with no intent to do harm...Ha! Too many have already forgotten the murders in the middle of the casino in Laughlin a couple of years ago. The Mongols are some of the worst gang members on the street. I applaud the Riv Co Sheriffs and Temecula PD for getting on top of this before there were any real problem. You people want it both ways. If something would have happened, you would have blamed the cops for not being proactive. If nothing happens, you blame the cops for over-reacting. Get over yourself and blame the Mongols for drug trafficking, robbery and murdering inocent people.

bc wrote on Jun 9, 2008 1:45 AM:Thought: What occurs in our society without police? CHAOS! Stop and ask yourself, "is that what you want?" The officers you saw out in force were enforcing the "letter" of the law. Why you say? To avoid even a hint of chaos, all for our sanctity. We respond by slowing down on the freeway, to watch our tax dollars" HARD at work and disrupt traffic flow. And to top that off, we then sit in the safety and comfort of our homes complaining about our actions and blaming the officers who put their lives in harms way DAILY! Well, CHAOS was avoided due to the massive presence this weekend. GET OVER IT & get a life...

Korey wrote on Jun 9, 2008 6:10 AM:Thank you to all the Law Enforcement officers who did their job keeping the peace over the weekend! 95% of the citizens appreciate you, the other five percent either commit crimes or prefer to stick their heads in the sand. I was caught in the traffic and have no problem waiting patiently as you continue to do your job safely and efficiently. Keep up the good work!

good riddance wrote on Jun 9, 2008 6:53 AM:Now that they've left, someone lock the gates!

iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:18 AM:Lock the gates, because you do not approve of how someone feels?

Bob wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:18 AM:So, I know the NCT didn't report this, but why was the FBI there at the border checkpoint...? In fact no paper has reported that? Whats going on? Can you provide some more answers?

JSten wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:40 AM:Well I must say that the club members pulled over after noon, by what must have been 10 officers, showed remarkable good humor and decorum. Off course what else would you do with a 12-gauge pointed at you. I guess I am a little curious, how did this whole thing get started? Anonymous tip?

good riddance wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:45 AM:When it comes to the mongols, feelings is not a consideration.

esteban wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:50 AM:fwy victim....there were no problems because you were on lockdown. If there were no cops, there would have been problems...guaranteed. the cops saved you from the hells angels...you should thank them.

Murrieta Biker wrote on Jun 9, 2008 7:58 AM:I have mixed feelings about this whole deal. I ride everyday to work and back up and down I 15 instead of driving a car using twice the gas. I am a biker, belong to several social clubs and none of us sell drugs. I would have been pissed if I had to stop, show my papers and hang around possibly in handcuffs JUST BECAUSE I RIDE A BIKE! Good thing I was headed home northbound at the time. The other side of the coin is the fact that there were some of the club breaking the law, and refusing to yield. Can't excuse that one. They KNEW they would create a stink, and of course there was no way they could run from radios and heleicopters. BTW, I ride an old BMW.

Amazing.. wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:28 AM:These horrid, horrid mongols.. riding with handlebars too high. Lock em up I say!!! Many of these guys are not convicts, they are just regular guys who ride in an MC. Im perfectly fine with the police having a show of force for that minority of members who may cause problems, but it should have really stopped there. Finding excuses to pull people over just creates even more animosity for the PD. One day.. some of you will be harrassed for you affiliations to something the police dont like.. and we'll see you on these boards crying about how your rights were violated.

Brains wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:30 AM:Why would our professional law enforcement agencies pull these folks over on I15 and cause miles of back up in both direction? They knew where they were going. Why not wait until they got off at the exit? Is it just arrogance or lack of thought and care backing up the freeway delaying thousands of people. Someone should be held accou8ntablke. It is not OK to back traffic up so you can play your power game!

mc member wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:32 AM:I ride with a club, not the Mongols. I have been pulled over many times for no reason. This only seems to happen around Temecula or North San Diego County. My club is not violent but simply ride together. When we wear our colors we get pulled over every time. The harrassment is real.

esteban wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:35 AM:Murrieta Biker, you are not getting it. There are thousands of regular motorcycle clubs out there. Most of them do not deal drugs and guns, and most don't fight, rape, and kill. The mongols and hells angels do. Cops are not gonna target your group unless you do those things. they weren't targeted because they simply ride bikes. Please think and be smarter than that.

crazy indan wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:38 AM:to murrieta biker:
you weren't showing your colors and refusing to stop for police. enjoy your biking.

Steve wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:43 AM:Murduring innocent people? I see some people on this blog who appear to be driven by fear. Fear is caused in most part by a lack of understanding. Outlaw clubs do not murder innocent people. They're not like MS-13.

I think that the Mongols should have been left alone. There was no motive for their campout except to enjoy an early summer weekend and celebrate a new motorcycle season.

For those of you, such as John Boy, get your facts straight and quit listening to the media so much. The media sells stories by sensationalizing. The Mongols weren't looking for any trouble. This is obvious. There were no Hells Angels there and no meth-labs.

crazy indan wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:50 AM:second attempt:
Yes there was no violence at this bike rally, what about non-violent crimes such as drug sells, weapons sells and planning future criminal activities.

mc member wrote on Jun 9, 2008 8:56 AM:I was in a bar in Escondido and was walking out behind two Vagos. They were approached by some police and asked to lie on the ground. They were searched then released. The cops had no reason to search them. The harrassment is real. Most mongols, Angels, or Vagos are not criminals. They just are a MC club. They should be left alone.

pocho wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:01 AM:Murrietta Biker....come on...

Do you think innocent, doctors and dentists dressed out in their leathers for a weekend ride were stopped and detained? Get real. I don't think the weekend warriors were messed with ..just the patch-wearing, violent gang members and their prospects. Duh.

Concerned One wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:08 AM:I got stuck in traffic Friday and was late for an appointment. When I found out what caused it, I understood. It seems there are some here who would advocate freedom to a point where we would allow lawless bands to roam the countryside. Please note, freedom is a slippery slope.

MONGOL WIFE wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:38 AM:I AM THE WIFE OF A MONGOL PULLED OVER ON THE SIDE OF THE FREEWAY, AND HARRASSED FOR AN HOUR. YOU IGNORANT PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE AS TO WHAT THE CLUB IS ABOUT. GET A LIFE! WE HAD A WONDERFUL WEEKEND. ALL THE HAVOC GAVE US SOMETHING TO LAUGH ABOUT AROUND THE CAMP FIRE.THANK YOU POLICE, AND THANK YOU SAN DIEGO RESIDENTS FOR THOSE TAX DOLLARS, THE FREE SECURITY WORKED OUT GREAT FOR US.

iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 9:38 AM:Ok, now I am going to throw on my painters cap! Get my wide brush ready!
ALL COPS ARE BAD, since some commit rape, fraud, murder, extortion, pedophilia, DUI, DWI, prostitution, some are drug users and some are dealers, some beat their spouses, some beat their children, and so on.....

Now if Motorcycle Club members can all be painted with one wide paint brush, why not those that are our supposed to enforce the laws that "we citizens" are to uphold....Whats good for the goose....The real gangs are the criminals that hide behind their badges and pretend to be Johnny BA!

Jake wrote on Jun 9, 2008 10:17 AM:Someone want to run the crime stats associated with the Mongols weekend in the mountains and the Balloon and Wine Festival? How many DUI's were written coming out of the festival? How many were written on the Mongols...seems like the tribe member is right..

A Libertarian wrote on Jun 9, 2008 10:30 AM:Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety

iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 10:37 AM:Ok, now I am going to throw on my painters cap! Get my wide brush ready!
ALL COPS ARE BAD, since some commit rape, fraud, murder, extortion, pedophilia, some are drug users and some are dealers, some beat their spouses, some beat their children, and so on.....

Now if Motorcycle Club members can all be painted with one wide paint brush, why not those that are our supposed to enforce the laws that "we citizens" are to uphold....Whats good for the goose....

To iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 11:20 AM:OK, Now compare apples with apples, Your Cop paint brush covered a "few bad apples that should not have a badge" or the exception not the rule. Were as your biker brush covered the rule with a fantasy, You Know full well can not get into a club like the Mongols by being a choir boy! Take your flawed BA logic to some other county.

old rider wrote on Jun 9, 2008 12:09 PM:Im amazed,I didnt know that many members of the mongols m/c even owned a motorcycle

iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 12:51 PM:I'll keep my BA logic right here! Do you know what it takes to become a member of a motorcycle club? If not, then I suggest that you not even guess. So what Fraternity does one need to belong to, to be a crooked cop?

How many MC members do you know??

John Q. Public has a much better chance with ANY Motorcycle Club member in a one on one situation than they do with crooked cops. Crooked cops hide behind their badge when its convenient for them. There are way more crooked cops in the news weekly than there are bad bikers in the news. The crimes committed by members of the Fraternal Order of Coverup are far more numerous and are generally more violent against citizens than the crimes that are brought against MC members.

Catch ya later

Scott wrote on Jun 9, 2008 1:03 PM:I was riding my motorcycle through 76 on Saturday and not a single cop even gave me a second look. You know why? Because I was NOT WEARING GANG INSIGNIA! It's that simple. The Mongols, the Vagos, Hells Angels, whatever... They didn't earn their reputations by helping old ladies across the street! They are no different than your average street gang. Thugs.

Mikeeeee wrote on Jun 9, 2008 1:18 PM:If the police do nothing, people complain. If they take an aggressive stance, people complain. If you see a crime take place in a bad part of town, you don't tell the cops about it. If you need to be rescued in a bad part of town, you call 911...

How about this instead... Thank you Mongols for not causing issues, please feel free to visit again as long as you continue to respect the local laws. Police, thank you for stepping up patrols when a "club" with a history of violence came to town. We appreciate the patronage of visitors, and the protection the police provoided us.

MONGOL WIFE wrote on Jun 9, 2008 1:19 PM:Scott- Get a life.

To iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 1:57 PM:At 12:51PM, No iasky, you'll catch me now! I agree with you 100% over the bad cop issue, One bad cop with a little gun and a lot of power is one to many, but most try to do right. However you are 100% wrong and you know it regarding full time bikers, like the two dozen or so biker's that I once knew from the Oakland area (I no longer have contact.) and they ain't no choir boy's, I'm lucky to have gotton out with only three toes missing. You never know who you are talking to on blogs, I'v been there but I'm growen up now, and I know there is more. Fear no man but Fear God.

Tribal Member wrote on Jun 9, 2008 2:10 PM:It wasn't the CLUB that disturbed us as much as how the authoritys upset our tribal commumity to the point of harrasment. We held our General meeting on Saturday and were greeted by unmarked police cars everywhere. These guys may be on record as "Violant" but we, (tribal members) wouldn't have even know they were here if it hadn't been for the constant helicopters overhead and they 20 to 30 cop cars parked at the end of our roads. Our small store was inindated with police and our customers and campers harrased. The Campground and our store are our bread and butter, this is what supports our reservation. Do you think our customers are going to want to come back now??? Some where along the chain of communication, someone jumped the gun, and made more of this than was actually happening.

DISAPPOINTED wrote on Jun 9, 2008 2:17 PM:THIS WAS ALL REDICULOUS!!! THEY WERE ALL HARASSED FOR NO REASON AT ALL!!! THEY WERE JUST GOING CAMPING AND HAVING A GOOD TIME!!! THERE WAS NO REASON TO BACK UP TRAFFIC AND STOP ALL OF THEM ON A FRIDAY AFTERNOON... THIS JUST SHOWS HOW OUR SYSTEM WORKS THESE DAYS....BUT YET THERE ARE DRUNKS AND RAPIST RUNNING LOOSE AND THERE IS NOTHING DONE ABOUT THAT!!! AND WHAT ABOUT ALL THE ILLEGALS HERE JUMPING THE BORDER RECEIVING WELLFARE AND UNEMPLOYMENT AND TAKING JOBS THAT SHOULD BE FOR CITIZENS THIS WAS ALL A BUNCH OF BS TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH... HONESTLY NONE OF YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THE MONGOLS ARE ABOUT OR HOW THEY LIVE OR WHAT THEY DO...A LOT OF PEOPLE DO BAD STUFF, BUT BECAUSE MEMBERS HAVE HAD PROBLEMS IN THE PAST THAT'S ALL YOU PEOPLE FOCUS ON RIGHT??? YOU NEVER HEAR ABOUT ANY GOOD THAT THEY DO BECAUSE THEN THE LAW WOULD LOOK BAD FOR LABELING THEM AS OUTLAWS WHEN THEY'RE SIMPLY JUST A MOTORCYCLE CLUB.... SO BEFORE YOU GO LEAVING YOUR COMMENTS AND PUTTING IN YOUR 2 CENTS ABOUT IT KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE.....

Whatever wrote on Jun 9, 2008 2:19 PM:Blah, Blah, Blah. Lakers or Celtics?

iasky wrote on Jun 9, 2008 4:11 PM:Don't beat your drum on what used to be, check on things here, now and today! Yesteryear was then....times have changed.

Not saying that all of those things that you seen didn't or even don't exist. Just saying that not everyone needs to be a criminal or have a criminal attitude to be a member of the police force or a MC. You are absolutely correct, one never knows who they are talking with on the internet.

To Tribal Member wrote on Jun 9, 2008 4:59 PM:Do you think your cutomers would come back had there been blood bath?

The precense of the police on scene probably detered a whole lot of criminal activity.

No one knows what would of happened if the police were not there.

Samuel wrote on Jun 9, 2008 5:49 PM:Bad cops! oh you bad bad cops. Shame on you for doing your job. Oh and when crime does happen, shame on you cops for harassing those poor criminals. You all should be so ashamed. This seems to be the whinning for most of you. Get a grip will you. Mongols are just as 1% MC as the hells angels or any other outlaw MC. Learn your information of these groups before you start bashing the police about thier jobs. Reality check: The police know thier jobs, and you don't! Please learn your facts before blabbing at the mouth. The comments section will be a lot shorter. Good job RSO and all other agencies that were involved.

A Libertarian wrote on Jun 10, 2008 7:50 AM:"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations"
-James Madison 1788

esteban wrote on Jun 10, 2008 7:09 PM:Just remember...mongols, helss angels...whatever. They are all gutless cowards alone.

to esteban wrote on Jun 11, 2008 12:17 PM:That must be one big cloud of confusion that you live under....I guess the old adage is true.... ignorance is bliss.

BECKY LEE wrote on Jun 11, 2008 3:44 PM:I AM VERY HAPPY WITH OUR POLICE OFFICERS THEY DID AN EXCELLENT JOB, THINK ABOUT THIS WHAT IF ONE OF THEM BIKERS WOULD RAPE,KILL ETC. ONE OF YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS, WHO WOULD YOU BE CALLING? THATS RIGHT 911,SO FOR ALL THE BRAINLESS PEOPLE THAT THINK THAT THE POLICE DID A BAD JOB YOU BETTER THINK AGAIN,SO IF THE POLICE ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND;WHO YOU GOING TO CALL A BIKER ;OH YEA THERE COME RUNNING TO HELP; YEA RIGHT! GOOD JOB TO ALL POLICE

Jason L wrote on Jun 12, 2008 8:13 PM:I like a little "civility" in my "civilization." That's why I support law enforcement efforts to prevent unlawful activity from happening through diligence. Keep up the great work guys! Not all of us are liberal zealots.

AB wrote on Jun 20, 2008 7:35 AM:I know and regularly see these police officers. Average pay on overtime was over $40.00 an hour. They thank you. It was a lot easier than dealing with real gangs in Oceanside and Hemet.