OBAMACAN wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:24 AM:I have just finished watching Hillary's speech this morning.
I repeat my call for party unity.
Hillary for VP!

DD Wiz wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:39 AM:The published letters from Dadla Ponizil and Lucienne McCauley note that bringing your own bags is simply not an inconvenience. I always bring my own bag and find it simple and convenient. Can't imagine why anyone would want all the clutter and inconvenience of all those small, messy bags.
And speaking of the environment, the published letter from Beth Winchel whines about the sad state of our economy. Sure, with energy and food costs out of sight, people being laid off, companies closing, stocks in free fall and devaluation of the dollar, there is a lot to be concerned about.
But blaming it on regulation? Hello! We have suffered under the most aggressively deregulatory administration and congress over the past seven years, usually with congressional majorities or at least enough to block or override Democratis, and how well is that working out for you?
Again, regulations are the support structure -- the framework -- within which a vibrant market economy thrives, just as traffic would come to a grinding halt and sports would be impossible without the framework of rules that make them possible. Conservatives simply do not understand that, but that is why economic prosperity is consistently better under Democratic administrations.

Chris wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:41 AM:I see now that we are going to have a barage of letters like those from Michael Campbell going on about how the Arab states started the war against Israel in 1948. However what they don't want to talk about is that the Zionist with Britains military were taking over Arab land, so basically they had no right to be there. After the UN, with American Jewish and American diplomatic pressure, decided to divide Palestine the Zionist started to expell the Palestinians and eventually this brought in other Arab countries in order to try to keep some of Palistine in Arab controll. Jordan had an agreement on the eve of the war to take over the west bank. Egypt ended up with the gaza strip and Syria the goland hights. They lost all this in the 1967 war. I am starting to believe that if the Arab nations had not intervened then Israel would have taken all of Palestine at that time. So it is disengenuous to talk about the Arabs starting a war when the fact is that the Zionist should not have been there int the first place.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:51 AM:Randy Horton reminds us all how our govenment really works. Even during a down turn in economic growth, a recession, or even worse a depression, the government will still get theirs.
Economics that affect the rest of us, simply do not apply to them, they just raise taxes, fees, close "loopholes", like your mortgage interest deduction.
Although recently, I must admit I have been suprised by what folks are willing to tolerate in regards to additional bond measures, sales tax increases, and raising TOT taxes.
Maybe there is still a little blood let in the turnip? I don't know how successful Tri City will be this time around, what is this? The 3rd time?
But I do know this, they are not done.
Why just the otherday, our Congress was again discussing how to take more of your money, through a carbon asset trading plan. They want to issue "permissions to pollute" which will cost money to buy. In Europe right now, it is big business, nearly $30 billion a year. If the U.S. jumps in, carbon asset traders believe this market would jump to well over a $100 billion. Ultimately what this would do is place another tax on top of all the other taxes you currently pay. This embedded tax will drive the cost of eveything up. At a time when we are clearly needing help in removing obstacles to economic growth, these guy's are placing even higher burdens on Americans, making it harder to take home more money. The Airline industry are now facing huge cutbacks because of the price of jetfuel. What would adding another tax, a carbon tax do to the cost? Think about your food, 70% of all food is delivered by diesel trucks.
But, true to form, the liberals who propose these things could really give a flying "you know what" about your life, your ability to work, or take care of your family. Bill Clinton said it: "In order to meet the goals of reducing, we will need to slow down our economy." Al Gore, and the UN have repeated this same sentiment. 80% reduction in CO2 is what they want. What would 80% less fuel and power do to your life?

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:11 PM:First of all, Dadla Ponizil. Your looking in the wrong place for a solution to what you call the "plastic-bag problem."
You said it yourself, "How much longer do we wait for the market forces to kick in before we collectively do something?"
Answer: You don't. "We" begins with "I", & "YOU."
I am simply astonished by the need of some people to have leadership on something they are personally concerned about. Every movement begins with a single person. If it bothers you, then start one.
Second...
Why all this freaking out over plastic bags alone? I mean.. take a look around your house! Inside your car! Go to Toys R Us!
If we are going to charge a quarter per baggie, how much should your daughters old playhouse fetch? Or how about all the running shoes you wore out?
Why all this panic over a bag?
I'll tell you, it's symbolizism over substance. It's cool to be green.
People want to be considered green by their friends, but don't touch my stuff!
It's a fad.
In my business I ship regularly to Italy, where plastic bags have been banned. In fact, plastics, foams, and styro in all manner is banned.
I have to use paper or cardboard only.
Now, paper & cardboard take trees, but we have gone to plastic bags instead of using paperbags from trees.
Seems just a bit circular, to me.

Rush wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:13 PM:Was happy to hear from Beth Winchel with her insightful letter about those pesky invironmentalists. We need to get rid of these people.

Nice to know AM radio reception in San Marcos is still doing fine.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:19 PM:I hear ya, Wayne Tortorella. Selective enforcement of the law maybe as old as the law itself, today.. it seems to be a bit more popular if your an illegal alien, or obstructing a evil greedy profit hungry company like SDG&E from doing their job.
Speaking of evil greedy profit hungry companies, I didn't get an answer to my question from Greenenry the otherday.
If we build these wind turbines out in the outlying areas, how we gonna be able to get that power, if we can't build a grid like the PowerLink?
As I recall, he/she gave me some ridiculous answer about hydroelectric power from the Hover dam, built some 60 years ago?

Roger wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:22 PM:Ray Erler's incoherent rant was a real hoot. I especially liked: "We don't need people with out-of-control emotions..." which, ironicaly enough, he sees as a reason to vote for John McCain.

Thanks for the laugh, Ray.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:32 PM:Peter angelo: I do not have a beef with the American Legion lobbying for secure national borders.I do have a problem with retired men signing their names with the name of their respective services. All military services of the American Armed Forces are aplotical. Even sighning your name USMC (RET) can give the incorrect impression that the USMC or what ever service supports your opinion and efforts regardless of the subject. The only time that I sign my name, rank, service and status is when I am voicing an opinion as a retired Marine about the USMC. You fellas do what you want. But, that is my two cents.

Bill Too wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:35 PM:Beth Winchel laments that our jobs that once produced our goods in this country have all gone overseas because of the environmentalists. Sorry, Beth, The environmentalists are not to blame but the greed of big business. Name just one "green" group that owns a major company overseas that produces any product imported to this country. Mexico is complaining because it is cheaper for the US companies to have products that we once had made in factories there now made halfway around the world. And, by the way, a very large percentage of our food is already being imported from overseas - just check the labels. Our once-great local avocado industry has virtually disappeared because our Corporate owned Government has sold out the farmers and allows fruit from all over - along with the attached pests and diseases - to be imported at prices that the local farmers cannot compete with.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:38 PM:Regulations strangle our economy Regarding yur letter abut environmentalists. I should be horse whipped for causing all the problems of our country. Imagine me with all that power and influence. LOL LMAOJ. Same ole drivel just a different source.

Focla Point wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:43 PM:I myself take the position that the governing of this country, especially in current times, is a very serious business. We don't need people with out-of-control emotions and hate-filled, racist attitudes to be in places of power when the entire world is a potential powder keg.
Ray yu are so right. So, be sure not for vot the minister or the priest in the upcoming election. OOPS. They ar not candidates are they?

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 12:48 PM:Yes, Bill Lane. It is hypocritical, and they know it's hypocritical. They just can't admit it.
Here's what they do....
They begin the name calling to shut you up, and attempt to close down any avenue of debate. They do this all the time, cause quite frankly, their arguments are all emotional based, and not based on empirical logic & common sense.
If You want the border enforced? Then you must automatically hate all Latinos. If You don't want more of your hard earned money taken by the government. Then, your just greedy and evil, and want old people to die.
If you simply drive your own car to work at a reasonable price, within a reasonable amount of time. Then they will say you hate the earth, and want people to die. And god forbid if you own any stock in an oil or power company! They are truly hysterical.
They have to talk like this, because they simply do not have a valid, logical, nor practical argument to make. So, the only alternative they have is to stifle debate, discussion, or to thwart other opinions.
I've often said, that being a liberal is one of the most gutless choices a person can make. It's kind of like being an overly permissive parent..
You just never have the heart to tell people No. Because your afraid of what they will think of you, not whether it's good for them.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:04 PM:Consider the source, Michael Campbell... consider the source...

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:11 PM:That's exactly what they want to do, Karen West. They intend to strip away every last vestage of religious conviction, moral conscience, and dignity. We are on the road to the utopia, don't ya know?
Not only will doctors & nurses be the preserver's of life, they will also be mandated by the government to take it.
This is their vision of the utopia.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:17 PM:I hear ya, Ray Erler. The Obmaman's church is the "gift that keeps on giving."
With Barack Obama as President, I think Al Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson would be the least of our troubles. Don't ya think? I mean... with the wrong Rev. Wright, Farakhan, and Michael Pfleger... it does appear to be a very well written comedy. Maybe HBO would be interested?

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:32 PM:Ah, the wonders of Central Planning.. eh, Glenn Carroll?
I've never understood this. Why developers are allowed to build, and not provide all the utilities required to support their development?
I suspect it is because of the less than tidy relationships our elected officials have with the developers, and knowing they will be allowed to pass off costs onto the rest of us.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:40 PM:Be of good cheer, Beth Winchel. I do believe we are already seeing the reversal of many who have been brainwashed by this environmentalist mindset. In fact, in one of the Dakota's, I forget which one exactly, they are ready to go ahead with the first new oil refinery in almost 30 years of enviro wacko control.
Also, we are anticipating the construction of nearly 1300 nuclear plants to fight global warming. Me?, I don't believe in human caused global warming, but if it will provide more electrical power, let's build em!
So be of good cheer, gas is $ bucks going towards $5... people still gotta work, drive their kids to school, shop for groceries... I think we've reached the tipping point, and we're gonna start heading back the other way, towards common sense.

And remember wrote on Jun 7, 2008 1:49 PM:First, Obama is the only one who got Iraq right. In 2002, he said it loud and clear: we need to stay in Afghanistan and defeat those who attacked us; the call for an invasion of Iraq is bogus. As he was speaking, McCain and his good pal Chalabi were continuing their perpetual drumbeat for the Iraq invasion. Second, all Hillary's troops need to know and remember that McCain has been staunchly anti-choice. If he becomes President, considering the ages of the liberal Supreme Court justices, he will appoint more Scalias and Thomases and Roe will be overturned. That should be a litmus test for any feminist voter. No-brainer.

SOLON wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:02 PM:= Mike Campbell’s disputations are futile tilting at windmills (letter today). He reads what others write, does not comprehend, and reads into these writings what his constrained mindset dictates.

Writer Crews never in any way stated that the many luxurious homes of McCain (nor the wealth of his wife), makes him an elitist. In fact, Crews specifically stated “Nothing wrong with wealth …” Wealth does not make one an elitist. It is attitude and behavior, and although McCain has somewhat less elitist attitude than most Congressional Republicans, he still exudes elitism.
Campbell gets it wrong also in his jab at Eric Parish. Campbell seems unaware that Iran has never launched any preemptive attack on the United States, nor, for that matter, on any of its neighbors for hundreds of years.

Thirdly, Campbell’s jab at Garth Hansen is unjustified. We have heard McCain both in video and audio threaten a 100-year war against Iraq. He jokes about bombing Iraq (and Iran) as if he is a child playing with tin soldiers in a sandbox. How does Campbell think he earned his nickname “McBomb”?

Apostate wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:03 PM:Some say that Obama needs to select as his Vice President someone with foreign policy experience, military experience, legislative experience, someone who could connect with real Americans and someone actually qualified to be President. That is to say, everything Obama lacks.
A lot of talk about former Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia. In choosing Nunn or anybody else of stature Obama would be admitting his need for his own Dick Cheney. Someone to run the country while he’s off making grand speeches about hope and unity.
Since he can’t allow that perception, as it would confirm people’s reservations about his fitness for the job, he’ll pick a nobody.
You wouldn’t think that the Dems could really blow another election, especially this year, but since half the Party has already lost their collective minds, anything’s possible.

To Ray wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:15 PM:"We don't need people with out-of-control emotions and hate-filled, racist attitudes to be in places of power when the entire world is a potential powder keg." That describes almost every politician in the free world, for the matter that describes most Americans. At least that has been my personal experience. What a disgusting letter.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:15 PM:YOu know, I've thought about that too, Merrill Brown. I can surely understand a plain case of a person being harmed, and needing money to support themselves, make up for time lost, and potentially re-training/education should they no longer be able to work in that same capacity.
But some of these awards for punitive or emotional harm are just out of control. And I think your right, people just do not seem to connect between these high judgements, and how that affects them.

Why here wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:31 PM:I see a lot of the same names here EVERY day saying the same thing and never listening to the other side of the issue(s) except to find a way to bash it. Really? Have you guys looked outside? You live (assuming you are local here) in one of the most beautiful places in the country yet spend countless hours on an anonymous comment section. Not like we live in a backwoods two-light town trapped in by snow and ugly weather. Then MAYBE it would justify the time spent here but seriously, leave this anonymous comment section and get out of the house -- or least the other side of the house :) No offense, but it's kind of sad. Especially when I see people freaking our about their anonymous comment not making it up in the time they expect or worse, freaking out when someone else uses their anonymous moniker they use every day they are on here. Sorry if this is long (well, can't beat Ron's diatribes) but just needed to get this off my chest. So all the Rons, Chris's and DD's out there ... get out, for your own good, boys.

Ron wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:37 PM:Ah, another goodie from my old buddy the Wizzer @ 11:39 AM.
This issue of plastic bags is a farse, it's pap, it's baloney. It's not about "saving the environment", it's about taxation, and raising revenue. If it were truly about saving the earth, they'd have banned em, like Italy has done. But that being said...
My good buddy launches into his typical liberal chatter about how bad things are, and why you need to vote Liberal, I mean.. Democrat.
If your going to vote for "Hope & change" this election, let me fill you in on what this hope & change will bring. You know, Obama isn't even the President yet, and already this Democrat Congress has so many taxes in store for you. In my 11:51 AM post, I mention just a few. If you take a serious look at any Democrat plan to lower gas prices, it raises them. In fact, they want another .50-72 cents a gallon, just to start. Add to that a carbon tax, embedded of course. We know that 40% of all domestic oil supplies are placed off limits by the very Democrats who say they'll lower your gas price? Even a first year economics student knows more supply than demand equals lower price. The fact of the matter is, they want the prices to stay high, and if they are not high enough, they will add taxes to the prices to make them higher. Now, they will say all of this to tell you they are doing it to punish these evil filthy oil producers. But, let me ask you this?
Who pays the price for them punishing gasoline providers? You will. so, they will get you all emotional, and all worked up about some corporation, but when you pull into the pump, and you have to pay the extra "punishment tax", who really is getting the shaft? You are. That's who.

jvc wrote on Jun 7, 2008 2:52 PM:Reardon?

Mr. Originality wrote on Jun 7, 2008 3:43 PM:Yes, Mr. Lane, it has borne out by the likes of Mr. Parish and many more who promote the gay lifestyle. If you disagree with his position on the matter, you are simply a bigot. You are hateful, spiteful and all around a bad person for having a view that says that their is more than one way to help gays.

I wonder if, assuming he has children, he allows them to eat candy and soda every night for dinner if they ask for them, and then allows them to go out and play in the street too.

Bill Too wrote on Jun 7, 2008 3:52 PM:At the risk of becoming another Ron (multiple posts in one day) - I have seen a lot of rhetoric about the plastic grocery bag problem. I have seen a comparison of the costs of plastic vs paper - paper bags cost more to produce even though they do biodegrade much faster. Nowhere does anyone mention that many people (including myself) use these grocery bags for disposing of their garbage and trash instead of buying the much heavier - and more expensive - garbage bags which take MUCH longer to degrade - if they ever do. I will bet that the trash collection companies will be thrilled when many people (again, including myself) start dumping all of their trash into the dumpsters unbagged. Do you think that the truck drivers will chase down all of the loose stuff that flies out into the neighborhood when they dump those big bins? Fat chance. Yes I DO use cloth bags for my groceries most of the time BUT I will NOT put out my trash in them. What is the REAL agenda here?

Focal Point wrote on Jun 7, 2008 4:04 PM:Mr. Originality Gays do not need your help. They need their equal rights under both the Federal and State Constitutions.

fedup wrote on Jun 7, 2008 4:25 PM:I agree with the letter regarding the lesbians suing North County physicians. The couple should have gone elsewhere if these doctor feel it's against their relgion. It's elective and not an emergency situation. These doctors are extremely busy saving lives (I've been there). This is a waste of time and money that should go on the children instead.

Karl wrote on Jun 7, 2008 4:51 PM:To Ray @ 2:15 PM:

So in your world most Americans have "out-of-control emotions and hate-filled, racist attitudes" Are you being sarcastic? If not, your post goes way beyond disgusting, you need help.

to Mr O wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:00 PM:I don't call people bigots who oppose gay marriage. I just keep asking the one simple question. Why should there be a host of legal and financial benefits for couples who are straight and not gay? What reason can we give for there to be legal discrimination against these people? We are not talking about children or about people who harm anyone. Just two adults who decide to vow to be together for life. Our law says if they are of opposite sex, there are big payoffs that are not there if they are the same sex. Notice, too, that I'm not asking if you approve of the gay "lifestyle": your attitudes about that are up to you. I'm not asking that any church acknowledge gay marriage: your church is free to do what it wishes. I'm talking only about the government and the law and discrimination. It's amazing, but when you ask this very simple question, how that discrimination is justified, you get answers to a thousand other questions, but never that one. So, no, I don't call those folks bigot, just cowards.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:18 PM:To Focal Point: Sorry, I somehow missed your post yesterday asking about McCain.
First of all, he was a Trilateral member and is controlled by them just as Hillary and Obama are.
I will relate a little for you.
The Trilateral Commission held closed-door meetings in Washington, D.C. from April 25 to 28. True to form, those members of the media who knew about the meeting—or were themselves participants in the proceedings—refused to discuss what went on inside or report on the attendees. Luckily, AFP’s own editor, Jim Tucker, was on the scene to bust this clandestine confabulation wide open.
Luminaries at the Trilateral Commission meeting in Washington expressed confidence that they own all three major presidential candidates, who, despite political posturing, will support sovereignty-surrendering measures such as NAFTA and the “North American Union.”
Cheers, Nick.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:30 PM:To Focal Point: Here is the remainder on the Trilateral meeting recently held in D.C.
The Trilateral Commission had these orders for the next president: increase foreign aid across the board because “America does not pay its fair share,” pay up the arrears in UN dues, allow as many immigrants into the United States as want to come and provide “amnesty” for illegal aliens already here.
Why else would the Trilateral Commission’s standing orders for the next President include such things as open borders, illegal alien amnesty, and shelling out even more taxpayer money, if not to reduce American citizens to lives of servitude and desperation?
All three handpicked Presidential candidates will do nothing to stop NAFTA or the NAU. In fact, they have pledged to support them. Here are quotes from the Trilateral Commission’s meeting regarding the candidates’ stand on these issues:
“John has always supported free trade, even while campaigning before union leaders… Hil and Barack are pretending to be unhappy about some things, but that’s merely political posturing. They’re solidly in support…” referring to Sens. John McCain, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Mrs. Clinton, they noted, held strategy sessions as first lady on how to get Congress to approve NAFTA “without changes.” As president, they agreed, she would do no more than “dot an i or cross a t.” Candidate Obama has not denied news reports in Canada that his top economic adviser, Austan Goolsbee, assured Canadian diplomats that the senator would keep NAFTA intact and his anti-trade talk is just “campaign rhetoric.”
Trilateral Commission members concluded that the only real danger is Ron Paul.
They expressed concern that Paul’s rallies have attracted multitudes of young people who are getting “their political education.” They want Republicans to pressure Paul to drop out now and stop his education rallies. This assignment was given to Thomas Foley, former U.S. House speaker.
An educated and informed populace is not on the agenda for these New World Order promoters.
After all, have you ever seen an educated feudal serf?
Cheers, Nick.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:38 PM:Hey "Chris", why don't you give the Zionist and Jew thing a break and get on board with a bunch of us on the Trialteral Commission, CFR, World Bank, IMF and Federal Reserve gig.
As much as you hate our Government, this should be right up your alley.
The whole Jew/Palestine has nothing to do with the downfall of the U.S. and you should spend that energy where it's needed most.
You have claimed in the past that you love this country, so climb on board. If you do a little researching on some of my past blogs, I think you would find them very eye opening to the point of pissing you off more at our Government then you already are.
What do you say "Chris" ? Are you ready for a new crusade? One that will have a very direct impact on your life and very existence.
It's time to return the power to the people and take it away from the handful of self-chosen Rich Elite.
Cheers, Nick.

Chris to Why here wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:45 PM:I suggest you take your own advise. How many blogs do I do? You just don't agree with them. And now we have Ron who says that we Liberals only have emotions and not emperical logic and common sense. Logic and common sense many times have nothig to do with education. Sometimes you have to do research but Ron and the rest of his ilk don't want to do that because they might find out that all their mythology is wrong. I noticed he couldn't have a decent reply to my blog about Israel because he knows nothing about the subject.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:46 PM:Don't any of you people realize that a vote for Obama or McCain is a vote for flushing what's left of our Constitution down the toilet.
Don't you folks understand that both Obama and McCain serve the Trilateral Commission, The Center on Foreign Relations, The World Bank and The IMF.
Every time I hear someone exalt the so-called great virtues of Obama, my first reaction is to find a bucket to puke in, and then I think to myself are there really that many blind, numb and ignorant people in this Country.
The scary part, is that the answer is yes.
Even scarier is the fact that these fools are willing to take the rest of us down with them, because they seem to think that Obama is in ALL of our best interests.
Typical Democrat thinking, what's good for us is definately good for all of you.
No thanks!

sdraoul wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:49 PM:Solon, even Obama isn't humping the "100 year war" LIE any longer.

Give it up, Solon, you can repeat the LIE a million times but everyone with brains knows he was talking about a Germany-Japan-Korea type "occupation" which we have maintained under both Democrats and Republicans since 1945.

At least McCain knows there's a nuclear plant in Hanford, Washington, and knows that the "surge" is successful beyond all description by the New York Times.

McCain even knows where Iraq is and that is obviously more than Obama or his supporters seem to know.

Where are we now, 880 days since Obama spent 30 seconds in Iraq? That's even more than the 143 days he spent in the Senate on Senate working days before he announced for President.

Chris to to Ray wrote on Jun 7, 2008 5:51 PM:I agree with you 100%. I think the letter by Ray Erler was about the most assidine I have seen. As far as I am concerned you are right about racism. That is why we are in Iraq. That letter just shows Ray's pure bigotry.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 6:03 PM:Here are just a few more reasons to be scared of Obama.
Obama is indeed a member of the Council on Foreign Relations , and his wife is on the board of directors of Chicago's CCFR.
Obama tapped Zbigniew Brzezinski as his top foreign policy adviser. Brzezinski was Henry Kissinger's protege. Kissinger was responsible for the overthrow of the democratically elected Allende in Chile for the dictator Pinochet, the extending of the Vietnam war, the bombing of Cambodia, and many, many other ugly acts.
Jimmy Carter announced his candidacy for the 1976 presidential campaign to a skeptical media and proclaimed himself an "eager student" of Brzezinski.
Brzezinski had a hand in writing parts of Carter's inaugural address, and this served his purpose of sending a positive message to Soviet dissidents.
Brzezinski advised Carter in 1978 to engage the People's Republic of China and traveled to Beijing to lay the groundwork for the normalization of relations between the two countries. This also resulted in the severing of ties with the United States' longtime anti-Communist ally the Republic of China.
After 9/11 Brzezinski was criticized for his role in the formation of the Afghan mujaheddin network, some of which would later form the Taliban and would shelter Al Qaeda camps.

Yeppers, this is the guy who Obama has tapped to advise him on Foreign Policy. You know, that thing that Obama has NONE of.
This in itself should scare the pants off of most intelligent people.
Cheers, Nick.

John wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:00 PM:It's sad that these Trilateral meetings are not front page news as they should be. The United States is getting bought out by the rich and thrown under the bus.
We the people need to be and get educated because the media (who also have been bought out) will not report what we need to know.
PUPPETS, they're all puppets, not one of the two are honorable or trustworthy enough to be the president.

Karl wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:17 PM:to Mr O @ 5:00 PM:

Your post was one of the best I've read on this issue, up until the last two words. Couldn't you have just left out those two words? I wonder what is the polar opposite is for homophobic?

People are nuts to discriminate and the sword cuts both ways.

Peace

Oh raoul wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:31 PM:McCain's Iraq trips have been nothing but an embarrassment for him...I wouldn't bring them up. In one, he flat out lied about the safety of a marketplace he strolled in. In the last one, he got all flummoxed about who the enemy was. Not his stellar moments. But while McCain was having drinks with Ahmed Chalabi and planning how to get us into Iraq, Obama was nailing the truth, clearly supporting the effort in Afghanistan to get al Qaeda, clearly calling McCain/Chalabi/Bush on their bogus desire to invade Iraq. As for the surge, I guess if the goal was decreased violence, it has been "working". But that wasn't the goal, only half of it. The purpose was to decrease violence so that political progress could happen. It hasn't. Not only that, but we learned that the reason the surge is even quelling violence is that we've put over 90,000 Iraqis on our payroll, giving them a salary to not fight. And we've seen that when people like Sadr say "fight", the violence shoots up again. Stick to immigration issues, raoul. Your view of foreign policy is delusional.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:47 PM:Well said "John". It's up to folks who know what is going on to spread the word to everyone we know.
I have told people who thought I was loony tunes, but after they did some Googling, they came back flabergasted.
They said they had NO clue this was going on. Then the typical question of "How is this possible?", "How can they do this without anyone knowing?".
Well my friend, the more we tell and the more they tell, and so on and so on.
That is how the word will be spread.
Ron Paul in 2008. He is our only hope.
Do your research people before it is to late!
Cheers, Nick.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 7:57 PM:Here is the truth about Obama, The Trilateral Commission, and Zbigniew Brzezinski(Obamas Foreign Relations Advisor):
Back on August 25, 2007, Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser announced on Bloomberg Television's "Political Capital With Al Hunt" that he was supporting the junior senator from Illinois for President.

The Trilateral Commission was founded by the persistent maneuvering of David Rockefeller and Zbigniew Brzezinski. Rockefeller was chairman of the ultra-powerful Chase Manhattan Bank, a director of many major multinational corporations and "endowment funds" and had long been a central figure in the Council on Foreign Relations(in which Obama is a member and his wife sits on the board of Chicagos CCFR, as I stated earlier).

Brzezinski, a brilliant prognosticator of one-world idealism, was a professor at Columbia University and the author of several books that have served as "policy guidelines" for the Trilateral Commission. Brzezinski served as the Commission's first executive director from its inception in 1973 until late 1976 when he was appointed by President Jimmy Carter as Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

I will keep bombarding you folks with the truth because I care about this Country. A lot of folks have accused me of being a right-wing Conservative over the last year or so just because I am a Republican. They couldn't be further from the truth. I am an American, first and foremost. I don't give a rat's behind about Party affiliation, because if we all don't join together soon, we will have only ourselves to blame.
Cheers, Nick.

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:02 PM:This is how The Trilateral Commission has entrenched itself on BOTH sides of the Party Lines (Part I):
Subsequent presidential elections brought George H.W. Bush (under Reagan), William Jefferson Clinton, Albert Gore andRichard Cheney (under G. W. Bush) to power.

Thus, every Administration since Carter has had top-level Trilateral Commission representation through the President or Vice-president, or both!

It is important to note that Trilateral domination has transcended political parties: they dominated both the Republican and Democrat parties with equal aplomb.

In addition, the Administration before Carter was very friendly and useful to Trilateral doctrine as well: President Gerald Ford took the reins after President Richard Nixon resigned, and then appointed Nelson Rockefeller as his Vice President. Neither Ford nor Rockefeller were members of the Trilateral Commission, but Nelson was David Rockefeller's brother and that says enough. According to Nelson Rockefeller's memoirs, he originally introduced then-governor Jimmy Carter to David and Brzezinski.

How has the Trilateral Commission effected their goal of creating a New World Order or a New International Economic Order? They seated their own members at the top of the institutions of global trade, global banking and foreign policy.

For instance, the World Bank is one of the most critical mechanisms in the engine of globalization.17 Since the founding of the Trilateral Commission in 1973, there have been only seven World Bank presidents, all of whom were appointed by the President. Of these seven, six were pulled from the ranks of the Trilateral Commission!

Robert McNamara (1968-1981)
A.W. Clausen (1981-1986)
Barber Conable (1986-1991)
Lewis Preston (1991-1995)
James Wolfenson (1995-2005)
Paul Wolfowitz (2005-2007)
Robert Zoellick (2007-present)

Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 8:03 PM:This is how The Trilateral Commission has entrenched itself on BOTH sides of the Party Lines (Part II):

Another good evidence of domination is the position of U.S. Trade Representative (USTR), which is critically involved in negotiating the many international trade treaties and agreements that have been necessary to create the New International Economic Order. Since 1977, there have been ten USTR's appointed by the President. Eight have been members of the Trilateral Commission!

Robert S. Strauss (1977-1979)
Reubin O'D. Askew (1979-1981)
William E. Brock III (1981-1985)
Clayton K. Yeutter (1985-1989)
Carla A. Hills (1989-1993) (Bush Trade Rep & Author of NAFTA, North American Free Trade Agreement)
Mickey Kantor (1993-1997) (Clinton's Trade Rep got NAFTA passed)
Charlene Barshefsky (1997-2001)
Robert Zoellick (2001-2005)
Rob Portman (2005-2006)
Susan Schwab (2006-present)

This is not to say that Clayton Yeuter and Rob Portman were not friendly to Trilateral goals, because they clearly were.

The Secretary of State cabinet position has seen its share of Trilaterals as well: Henry Kissinger (Nixon, Ford), Cyrus Vance (Carter), Alexander Haig (Reagan),George Shultz (Reagan), Lawrence Eagleburger (G.H.W. Bush), Warren Christopher (Clinton) and Madeleine Albright (Clinton) There were some Acting Secretaries of State that are also noteworthy: Philip Habib (Carter), Michael Armacost (G.H.W Bush), Arnold Kantor (Clinton), Richard Cooper (Clinton).

Lastly, it should be noted that the Federal Reserve has likewise been dominated by Trilaterals: Arthur Burns (1970-1978), Paul Volker (1979-1987), Alan Greenspan(1987-2006). While the Federal Reserve is a privately-owned corporation, the President "chooses" the Chairman to a perpetual appointment. The current Fed Chairman, Ben Bernanke, is not a member of the Trilateral Commission, but he clearly is following the same globalist policies as his predecessors.

I truly hope I am giving you folks enough evidence to figure out what is going on.
Cheers, Nick

Karl wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:01 PM:Chris to to Ray @ 5:51 PM:


What does the word "assidine" mean" Is it a combo of ass and iodine? You wouldn't know a real if he/she walked up to you in a white sheet with a hood. Pleas go to dictionary.com and check out their definition of "racist". The first one is "a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others." Then go back and look at your posts from the last couple of weeks and tell us who is the racist. If the shoe fits, you may as well wear it my friend.

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Dull day wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:11 PM:... This has to be the dullest day of blogging ever. Just the right wing choir singing to each other. No harmony. All dissonance

jvc wrote on Jun 7, 2008 9:17 PM:These blog sites are pretty tame without a Reardon!

To Dull day wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:18 PM:And you added so much more, didn't you?

sdraoul wrote on Jun 7, 2008 10:51 PM:"Oh Raoul" is so full of it. Obama has no idea where Iraq is politically, nor did he in 2002 when he alleges he made a speech against the coming invasion of Iraq. he is full of crap. The War started March 2003, not in 2002 so how could he have been opposed to a war that was supported by the UN and Congress.

Do you really believe that a State Senator from Illinois even knew where Iraq was?

Where is your proof that McCain had drinks with Chalabi, ever?

So he mixed up Sunni jerks with Shia jerks, so what?

As for his visits to Iraq, ask the soldiers there if they support McCain or Obama.

As for the Surge, no matter how much you people try to besmirch it, it is working. We are paying Sunni Jerks not to fight, gee. Did we pay German and Japanese jerks not to fight us after WWII, yes, we did until 1955 in Germany's case.

As for the Shia, Muqtada Al-Sadr is quickly dying. His people had the stuffing kicked out of them in Basra, then in Baghdad. he calls his followers out o protest but he has called off his militia. Why, because if his militia is still active in September he and his party will not be allowed to participate in the October provincial elections.

The surge is a huge success.

In May only 17 Americans died, the lowest casualty rate since the war started.

The surge is working.

You must get your information from the same place Obama does, pastor Wright and Father Pfleger.

Bill Too wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:10 PM:Once again the "Liberals/Democrats/etc" are going to raise taxes on gasoline and make it more expensive to drive. Are you listening Ron? As one of this berated category (except that I have been a registered TEDDY ROOSEVELT (Lead from the front) REPUBLICAN since 1949 - when you had to be 21 to vote) I agree that all petrolium taxes should be raised . How about $10.00 per gallon? Maybe then we could get some enterprising companies to start producing some reasonable alternatives to to the "filthy fossil fuels" that are making the oil company executives and their friends filthy rich and the working class and those of us on fixed incomes (Social IN-Security) much poorer. There ARE alternatives out there - and they DO NOT include Ethanol, which most of the leading automotive magazines have written scathing reviews on. One has only to do a search on the DIY topics on the internet to find many conversions that can be made to standard engines - some for VERY modest prices - that increase the mileage of petroleum fueled engines or eliminate the need for petro fuels completely. Of course BIG OIL does not want us to think about things like this - they would not be able to get the big bucks from us if we all went that way.

Chris to Nick wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:24 PM:I have a very narrow scope in that I only care to put my efforts into limited subjects. First of all I never said I love this country and in fact I now have nothing but disgust for it. It is not only Bush but I see the hatred of the American people for those in Iraq that have been devistated by what we have done to them. The Israel and Palestinian issue is one I have followed because years ago I decided to see what it was about the Jews that caused so much hate. I was raised in the church and believed in all the bull they preach. I was just going along in life until we invaded Iraq and I just had to jump in and and shout as loud as I can about the ruthless murderers we as a people have become. The trilateral thing has been around for decades and if you want to talk about it that is fine. I sense that the difference between me and you is that you want to go after these crooks that are doing us in whereas I look at the people and this country with total discust as we go on killing and destroying and the People support it. As I said the Israeli and Palestinian thing is just an extention of our crimminal acts and I have a lot of research in this area. Just look at how our leaders bow and scrape before Israel and look at what they do to the Palestinians and we fully support it. As I said previously if it were not for Israel using the US for their pawn I wouldn't say anything about Israel. Some of the reason I am saying things now is because of recent letters that have appeared that continue to perpetuate the mythology that we continue to have dumped on us. As for the trilateral commission and illegal alien debate as well as the debate on gay marrage I just don't care to get into it because I just don't care about those things. But using my tax money to murder, plunder, destroy and support Israel doing the same thing is what I care about. You might notice how many of the American Jews are more concerned about which candidate for president would be best for Israel and not the US.

jvc wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:35 PM:How dare you suggest that I could ever come close to a Reardon!

jvc wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:41 PM:To dull day: This is what happens without a Reardon to stir things up
and contribute to intellectual discourse!

Chris to Karl wrote on Jun 7, 2008 11:41 PM:As far as I am concerned you can stuff it. I know that if I say anything against Israel you and your ilk will igonre my complaint and just say I am anti-semetic. That is a load but quite frankly what I expect from you. For you to ignore what I have laid out and accuse me of race-baiting just shows your disengenuaousness.

thought experiment wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:54 AM:Imagine being an ordinary American. What information do you have that justifies feeling rage or fear towards Iran? There was a remark by Ahmadinejab about Israel. They are alleged to support terrorist organizations. Imagine being an ordinary Iranian. What information do you have that justifies feeling rage or fear towards America? Bush said you were part of the Axis of Evil. Bush made false claims repeatedly that you were developing nuclear weapons. Bush invaded both your neighboring countries. Bush accuses your country of being responsible for all that is going wrong in Iraq. Bush already has enough weapons to anhiate your country and has demonstrated a willingness to use them. Bush says that he will not negotiate with you. Bush stationed naval fleets off your shore. The person who wants to succeed Bush sings funny songs about bombing you. I ask you: which is the terrorist nation?

Oh raoul wrote on Jun 8, 2008 8:58 AM:Instead of saying Obama's speech is "alleged", why not look it up. You'll find the time, the place, and the content. You might recall, as all of us do, that Bush was, in the Fall of 02, talking up the Iraq invasion loud and clear. (You were, I'd guess, cheering him on at the time.) Then, raoul, you might try googling McCain and Chalabi and see what you find. You might even explore that a man named Black who is currently helping to run McCain's campaign, was a lobbyist for Chalabi. Go do some actual research, raoul, and report back to us. You are, after all, a journalist. Go find the truth for a change. Who knows, the truth might even set YOU free!

Chris to thought experiment wrote on Jun 8, 2008 9:42 AM:I have got to say that your