LETTERS: The Californian, June 14, 2008
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'History' wrong in history article
I seem to have an insatiable desire for knowledge, especially local history. I was really enjoying The Californian's article about the moving of the Escallier house and barn and some history about the Escallier family in Temecula. That is, until I got to the part that said Jacques Escallier and his brothers ran a pool hall in what is now Rosa's Cantina. I am no expert on the history of Temecula, but I do know that the land where Rosa's now sits was a parking lot for Security Pacific Bank in the early 1970s. Later, the bank building was demolished and the vault was incorporated into the two-story building that is now adjacent to Rosa's Cantina. So now my question is, how much of the story is fact and how much is fiction?
John Kahler
Murrieta
Officers endangered the public
Assault rifles on a crowded freeway for traffic stops? Are they insane? Who would be to blame if a child was killed on the freeway because someone started shooting .223-caliber rifle rounds at close range? The penetration of these bullets at close range is awesome.
The public should demand an investigation into the unsafe and unnecessary use of high-velocity weapons at close range by law enforcement. The .223-caliber bullet can penetrate bulletproof vests easily, yet was aimed at barechested outlaw bikers. The only justification for law enforcement to arm themselves with the AR-15, M-16, CAR-15 or M4 is for superior firepower against heavily armed "bad guys" such as the "North Hollywood Shootout" or for penetrating the "cover" of an armed assailant shooting at them and possibly wearing body armor. It's interesting that the state of California outlawed assault rifles for the general public, but the police are brandishing them in crowded public areas and putting the citizenry at grave risk while they "protect" you. Well, my question is who is protecting us from them?
What happens when a child is killed by "friendly fire" from an overarmed police force? Would you use a 5-pound sledge hammer to nail small pieces of trim up? Let's demand that the authorities use the right tool for the job so that innocent bystanders don't get killed by "accident."
Paul Dewitz
Temecula
What was the danger, really?
Please, some informed Republican write to explain the imminent nuclear danger from Iraq that this Republican administration was certain of in 2003? Afraid of programs? Intent? How imminent ---- six months, one year, two years? You still haven't told us! We have more than 800 intercontinental ballistic missiles, some nuclear tipped; Iran has a nut case and you're afraid of what? Fact 1: Israel destroyed an actual nuclear Iraq facility in 1981. Fact 2: Israel took out a suspected Syrian nuclear facility in 2007. Fact 3: Israel was thought to have been planning to do the same to Iranian atomic plants in 2006. And could and still may be. Explain to us why Israel would not have destroyed an imminent nuclear threat right next door. They have the best intelligence and proven military power in the Middle East. They don't rattle swords and rant, they act on actionable intelligence, not intent!
This Republican administration has given the Arab and Muslim world a place where they can send their poor and unemployed young men to fight the occupiers of Muslim land and to kill and maim Americans and Iraqis. And forever we will remember who said, "Bring them on!" That's his legacy! Bring more troops home now!
Bill Wasley
Murrieta
Terrorism is a permanent condition
Terrorism in our societies will never end, only the degree of it: One individual can cause havoc in any society by sabotage, bombing, poisoning, etc. Small hate groups and fanatics can do a lot of destruction and killings; we cannot prevent this by military or police force as much as we cannot prevent assassinations of presidents, prime ministers or kings. Since long ago, from Samson the Israelite to the present radical Islamic terrorist individuals and 19 Saudis who destroyed two towers in New York City and part of the Pentagon in Washington, D.C., there has been huge destruction of humans and structures. You can suppress terrorism at a tremendous cost both militarily and social dislocation by implementing all kinds of security measures that are very expensive, inconvenient and psychological affecting our fears and insecurity. But terrorism continues.
A terrorist is unbending: He/she will die for the cause. The most advanced and powerful military can only suppress, but not eliminate terrorists. Ah! If we could all follow the Ten Commandments, would it not be nice?
Gilbert Marrero
Temecula
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Don wrote on Jun 14, 2008 5:37 AM:I will comment on the letter from Bill Wasley today. As far as I know the claim that we said we were in "imminent nuclear danger from Iraq" in 2003 is a distortion by antiwar activists. It was set up as a straw man so they could attack it as untrue. The more immediate danger was the amount of deadly nerve gas anthrax he was believed to be hiding. Several pickup trucks loaded with containers of weaponized anthrax would be enough to kill millions of people. The amount that a person could carry, say in thermos bottle and spread in any city by two or three people could lead to tens of thousands of persons being killed. It was openly known that Saddam was paying a large sum of money to the families of suicide bombers going into Jewish territory.
It was believed that Saddam’s favorite weapon was the deadly VX. It was verified by the US and UN inspectors after the war main hostilities ended that Saddam had labs set up and personnel trained to manufacture it. When sprayed as a mist and breathed it is quickly and painfully fatal. A very small amount could be fatal to a large population. Just a drop on one’s skin, if not immediately washed, off is fatal It is widely known that in the first gulf war Saddam sent his low quality scud missiles into Israel even though they were not a part of the coalition attacking to recover Kuwait from Saddam’s brutal occupation. It was widely published that even BEFORE the 2003 war UN inspectors found modern longer more accurate missiles that could reliably reach in to the cities of Israel. It had been forbidden for him to have missiles of that range. These are only a few of the reasons Saddam was considered a serious threat. His large army that could attack any of his neighbors, including Saudi Arabia was also a threat.
Don wrote on Jun 14, 2008 6:16 AM:Bill Wasley claims Israel has very good military intelligence. I understand they believed Saddam had WMD too, as did the intelligence agencies of England, Russia, and other countries. Now it is excused by some that he did not really have them, but went to nearly unbelievable extremes to make it look like he did have while verbally denying it. By this I mean actions like before the war keeping the UN inspectors detained at the front gate to suspected facilities while many trucks were loaded up and driven out the back gate. This was documented by news reports at the time. Remember that shortly before the 2003 war, the inspectors demanded to use a couple of helicopters so they could go by surprises to the sites they selected and have a helicopter to watch from overhead that no trucks or cars should drive out while they were inspecting, but Saddam refused to let them.
Would that be fiction? I think not. From my own experience I have worked at an American army base in a foreign country years ago that had secret papers and specially trained high-ranking officers who were to direct the activities of several hundred thousand troops if West Germany were to be invaded by the Russians in the early days of the cold war. It was close enough to Russian lines that if they decided to invade they could get there in two hours. We had specially marked files and boxes of things to load into special trucks that were parked nearby 24/7 exclusively for a real evacuation if needed. We could be loaded and gone within an hour after a siren blew. Several times a year unannounced drill evacuations were held where we loaded up the trucks and drove off waiting for further directions. So what Saddam’s agents were doing was realistic and convincing regardless of whether the boxes and things they were loading into trucks and driving away had real secret material or were fakes. We may never know. Some people think he really had those WMD plans and projects underway, and others think he was carrying on a charade to make himself feared by his neighboring countries. It is a little hard to tell because the first few Iraqi scientists we questioned were murdered hours after they talked to our investigators. From then on the Iraqi scientists refused to be interviewed by us alone, only with several others along.
And yet Don wrote on Jun 14, 2008 12:01 PM:But for Britain, none of the nations that were sure Saddam was a serious threat apparently felt strong enough about it to join us in our invasion. So many nations, all closer to Iraq than we are, decided not to buy it. And it was Bush who TOLD the inspectors to leave even though they said things were going well. How come? I, for one, don't buy the hindsighted excuse-making for Bush and Blair. You don't do a war unless you're sure, because a war is about the worst thing humans do to one another. Just about every one of our allies wasn't sure. They were right. Bush was wrong. Thousands are dead. No excuses. It was an historic, tragic, and immoral blunder.
snerd wrote on Jun 14, 2008 12:11 PM:You might try reading the book "Hubris" it is a factual account of how the Bush administration twisted intelligence to suppost their desire to attack Sadam.
Roberto wrote on Jun 14, 2008 10:38 PM:I don't buy all the hype about Obama...but ask yourself this question....Who do you want in charge to deal with world affairs and terrorism, a unknown senator or a world leader like McCain?
Dave wrote on Jun 15, 2008 8:00 AM:@ Don: you don't remember Condoleezza Rice's threat of "a mushroom cloud?"
To John Kahler wrote on Jun 15, 2008 8:39 AM:The vault is actually in the 1 story building next to Rosa's. It is inside the art store next door.
Please go down to Rosa's and read the historical plaque on the wall if you would like some history on the corner lot which Rosa's now occupies. Prior to being a parking lot in the 70's there was a building there which served many uses over the years.
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