By Definition wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:03 AM:I'll define same-sex unions as "marriage" when I see checkerboards with all red squares, weekends with two Saturdays, and light switches with two "on" positions.

sjs wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:14 AM:Get a life! It affects you in no way. To each their own.

Gaydar Overload wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:17 AM:OK, great. Now that you've had your 15 minutes of fame by skipping around and getting your picture in the paper, please resume a life.

Minister wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:23 AM:As commanded by God, I will Not, Shall not or ever preform a same sex marriage. I'm just waiting to see when the first same sex couple will sue me for discrimination. I'm ready, because God will be with me when this happens.

Congrats wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 AM:Congratulations to all couples marrying! And to Minister - Your God doesn't rule my world. Get over yourself.

Writing on the wall wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:43 AM:The end is coming soon, save yourself through Jesus Christ now, for we do not know the time he is coming. Live every day as if it is the last. God will take us home soon.

To Congrats wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:46 AM:My God does rule over your world. Accept Jesus as your savior , I promise you won't regret it. God wants all his children to turn away from sin. That includes you too. His door is open to receive you when ever you are ready. God Bless you.

To Minister wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:49 AM:Stand your ground! I will never accept gay marriage.
God is weeping right now.

Good Grief wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:53 AM:Why do gays and lesbians have to strut around and prove to the world they are any different then anyone else? Give me a break. Hopefully that means no more gay parades... Not really particular about seeing men prance the streets in their underwear... Go get a life.

Child of God wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:54 AM:God has the final say.

Isaiah wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 AM:The shew of their countenance doth witness against them; and they declare their sin as Sodom, they hide it not. Woe unto their soul! for they have rewarded evil unto themselves.

Not Right wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:08 AM:This is not right, California voters voted twice on the marriage issue and both times it came back as one man and one women, then a judge decides he knows what the people really want or what is right. This judge should be removed from the bench because his job is to enforce the laws not create laws. If voters had voted in favor it would have been easier to take than having a judge overrule the voice of the majority because of his political ambitions and or bias. Flame me if you want,but you all know the minority got the victory and that is not democracy. By the way, I am a native Californian of 50 years and now California has been flushed down the toilet.

To Minister at wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:21 AM:I'll stand with you, too, if the state tries to force you to officiate. Until then, you and your church should mind your own business and let me and my family mind ours.

California toilet wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:22 AM:Love and marriage and truth combine all on one day of freedom and the Jesus freaks think California is being flushed down the toilet. Why did I decide not to be an American Christian? I wonder.

beauty wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 AM:How can anyone not see the human love and happiness evident in gay marriage. Do not let your religion turn you to the dark side.

wife left me wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:07 PM:I woke up this morning and there were gay people being married on my TV. My wife immediately started packing her bags, mumbling something about "Vegas". My son and daughter switched clothes before going to the mall, telling me not to wait up. I think it is happening. HELP!

Frank wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:14 PM:The separation of Church and State and the freedom of religion seem to be slightly blurred here.
Shouldn't ministers have the right to refuse to wed someone? They can refuse a hetero couple for not being their denomination or not (in the minister's opinion) being prepared. Ministers and others are not mandated to accommodate everyone are they?

Scripture wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:18 PM:It is written: The blasphemers among you will write the Law on the wall for all to see, and debase it in the courts of men. Yet the righteous ones will walk soundlessly, two by two, man and man, man and woman, woman and woman, and woman and man, that their footfalls may not drown the Word in the ears of their neighbors.

Janet wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:20 PM:1.) Refer to the New Testament and the message of Jesus. If you are going to haul out the old testament, then you should obey ALL the rules in it. You can't sit on a chair that a unclean woman (having her period or after childbirth) sat on. There are many more. Try them all for a week. Oh, it also says don't eat pigs (Deuteronomy 14:7). Are are you just picking the teaching that you agree with? Love thy neighbor? Nah, too hard.
2.) This has only to do with civil marriages. No one I have heard of have asserted the right for religious marriages. They want equality under the LAW.
3.) When the courts rule, it is not based on the popularity of a law, but on the meaning and validity of state laws. Otherwise, the majority could cram all kinds of things down the throats of the minority. People in Virginia would probably have voted for slavery, but should blacks have remained slaves if the majority voted for it?

Dear Frank wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:28 PM:Ministers can refuse anything they want. We are speaking of county employees here Frank.

Good Grief wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:33 PM:I feel sorry for the children these folk will start adopting. They will grow up all confused...

Religious wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:48 PM:= brainwashed.

Spiritual wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:49 PM:= enlightened.

Wait I voted NO wrote on Jun 17, 2008 12:58 PM:Thanks to activist judges, these abominations are allowed to happen. Im not one to judge, thats for God to decide. I pray these individuals that are getting married see the error of their ways and repent to God. You man not believe in God, but he believes in you.

Ecstatic wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:06 PM:I am so happy for all the people who can finally wed. I pity the fools who can't see that love makes the world go 'round. Congratulations to all who get married and I wish you all the happiness in the world. Hopefully, most voters agree and we shut down this Nov. 3 nonsense.

Let people be happy wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:07 PM:There is so much fear and hate in the world.

Let these people have some happiness in their lives.

Ivan wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:22 PM:It is sad to read all of these comments that invoke god or some verse in the bible as justification for denying gays and lesbians equal protection under the law. We are United States citizens and we unite under the U.S. Constitution. Additionally, as California citizens, we unite under the California Constitution. We are not all Christians, and it would be ridiculous to think we could all agree on something set forth in the bible-- a very contentious book.

There are certain protections given to all citizens through these great constitutions, one being equal protection under the law. These protections cannot be taken away from any citizen, without the due process of law. Courts are there to interpret law, not enforce law (like stated above). Enforcement is the job of the executive. The California Supreme Court determined that by prohibiting gays and lesbians into an institution such as marriage--which has been historically economic and political-- California officials were not abiding by California's constitution. Initiatives voted into law by Californians are no exception to the Constitution. These pieces of law must also fall in line with the California Constitution. The Court determined that the Prop 22 initiative did not adhere to the Constitution, thus striking it down as unconstitutional. We have these Constitutions to ensure protections for all citizens. In this system, we all have rights that are protected from the tyranny of the majority.

Just think, if the majority of people were atheists and voted to ban religious practice in the United States, it would be overturned by the court system. Everyone is guaranteed their 1st Amendment rights.

Just think, if the majority of people tried to deny Caucasian citizens the right to vote, that disenfranchisement would be overturned by a court. Through the 15th, 20th, 24th and 26th amendments, all eligible citizens have the right to vote.

Our Constitutions are wonderful and are there to protect us all from the sometimes tyrannic nature of the majority.

The right to equal marriage is nothing different. These individuals just want to have their relationships recognized by the state, so they can receive equal protections married couples currently enjoy. They are not asking your church to recognize their marriage, only the state of California.

If you disagree with this ruling on religious grounds, ensure that your institution isn't going recognize these marriages. However, California is a secular institution, one through which you cannot deny people their basic rights as citizens.

Please go back and take a basic civics course before you leave such inane comments.

Ha wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:24 PM:"The end is coming soon, save yourself through Jesus Christ now, for we do not know the time he is coming. Live every day as if it is the last. God will take us home soon."

How do you know that the end is near if you don't know when "he" (ha) is coming?

Alf wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:26 PM:Right on, "Janet" at 12:20PM. Regards, Alf.

A Human wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:29 PM:Why are the "accepting" Christains judging people, a right reserved for God? Why do they get off?

While I could careless if gays marry or not, to discriminate agasint anyone for any reason is wrong.

I'm willing to bet that if Jesus were to return right now, he'd be more concerned with greater acts of human stupidity than bother with gay marriage.

On a side note, I wonder how the Christians would like it if the people voted to have churches remove nativity scenes in view of the public?

Do unto others folks.

To all against wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:48 PM:You are the same type of people that told blacks and whites they could not marry. The same BS religious arguements were used back then too. God is the one who judges not you. You as a believer are supposed to love everyone. Church's do not have to marry anyone they do not want to so stop that arguement as well. Get over it.

Congratulations wrote on Jun 17, 2008 1:55 PM:Religious arguments are irrelevant. Only the state regulates marriage. There is nothing inherently religious in it. It's a civil rights issue, not a religious issue.

To Janet wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:03 PM:3.) When the courts rule, it is not "based on the popularity of a law, but on the meaning and validity of state laws. Otherwise, the majority could cram all kinds of things down the throats of the minority. People in Virginia would probably have voted for slavery, but should blacks have remained slaves if the majority voted for it?" How dare you compare slavery to homosexual marriage. The slaves were beaten and killed, obviously not their choice. In case you don't know, homosexualty is a CHOICE wnd if someone wants to live that lifestyle it is their choice. I should not Have to deal with them fluanting it, when a rich person flaunts their money people look at them as a fool, I see know difference between the flaunting of lifestyles. Study your history they not only voted for it,but fought a war for it, they lost by the way. just in case you are more confused than you appear. Government of the people,by the people, and for the people means that the citizens vote for the laws, not being subject to a bias tyrant who forces his or her biases upon us.

hart wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:04 PM:Wow. Any good historical fiction worth it's salt will tell you that marriage was initially based not on anything sacred, but on the number of goats, or acres, or other random property that could be gotten from a dowry. Certainly the high divorce rate, the drive-thru wedding chapels in Vegas, do not speak to it's sanctity.
All the church rant, all the right-wing shout out of blasphemy and demoralization, signifies nothing more than fear of human evolution.The bible is a book, like other books. It was written by men. Make make rules. Spirituality, love, the Golden Rule, equality...these are the real truths. No need to lash out, or be afraid, or condemn. My partner of ten years and I will marry as soon as possible. Our children are beautiful, expressive, full of love, and extremely happy. No one is confused. No one is descending into the abysses of Christian hell. Life is as blessed and wonderful as it has always been. Ministers, fundamentalists shaking your fists...look into your own hearts, and ask yourselves why social change should incite so much rage within you, that has nothing to do with you? Live, and let live.

To Minister wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:07 PM:You think your god will be in court with you? Where was your god when 911 happened? How about when two sets of parents rush to an ER after a car crash and one teenager dies while the other lives. How does "HE" answer one prayer and not the other? Fanatics like you claim The Will of God, well why not here and now? Take your religous crap somewhere, it has no place here.
Live and let live! I am not gay but as long as no one is twisting my arm to watch, I have no problem with any of it.

According to wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:11 PM:Homosexuals have an average of 500 different sexual partners. According to a 1982 study by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), those with AIDS average 1,000 in their lifetime. Some reported as many as 20,000 such encounters, the CDC said.

OCEANSIDER wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:16 PM:Here we have a bunch of bible thumpers yapping about how wicked it is to have same sex marriages. These are the same kind of people who opposed marriage between people of different races and who, if they could, would turn this country into a theocracy. You want a theocracy? Go to Iran. There the ayotollah and the mullahs will dictate every detail of your life and force you to accept their religion. That is, when they aren't busy executing dissenters. "The Bible says....blah, blah, blah." Fine. If you want to live by whatever it may say, go right ahead, but don't try to shove it down everybody elses throat! This country was founded so we would be free of somebody dictating a religion to us. Read the Constitution!

Disgusted wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:28 PM:Unfortunatly this junk doesnt surprise me anymore. I will be ok with gay marriage as soon as a man can be impregnated by another man (and no being a tranny doesnt count) and as soon as a woman can have a a baby from another woman impregnating her. Can anyone say square peg in a round hole? Justify all you want, petaphiles are born that way also...its called sexual peversion, you just chose to act on it!

John wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:29 PM:All you need is love.

JuanGrande wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:45 PM:I love the rantings of the alleged christians, screaming that gays are equal to straights, and now they are getting favored. Amazing, for decades all we have heard from the churches is how inferior gays are. Sorry but my karma just ran over your dogma.

Concerned One wrote on Jun 17, 2008 2:58 PM:Again I don't care, but just stop making such a big deal about it. And for heaven's sake, get that damn picture off the web page.

Wait till November wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:05 PM:This issue is bound to go on the ballot in November or the next election date as a California Constitution Amendment -at which time the silent majority will vote to keep marriage between a man and a woman and hopefully end this nonsense! These marriage licenses won't be worth the paper they are printed on. Go vote in November to keep marriage between and man and a woman!!

To According to wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:23 PM:So did Wilt Chamberlain ... what's your point?

Interested wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:26 PM:Minister: When God stands at your side --- assuming as you do that he'll defend your hate ---- I'd like to be there to ask Him a few questions. You and your ilk don't matter.

Omigosh were still married wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:26 PM:My wife and I celebrated our tenth anniversary last fall. After hearing weeks of dire predictions from the religious right about the destruction of the institution of marriage that would result from gays and lesbians marrying, we woke up this morning to discover that we were still married. Imagine that.

Ivan wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:30 PM:If you so claim that homosexuality is a choice, ask yourself this: Why would a person choose to be a homosexual? Why would anyone want to live a life where they are constantly subjected to the torment, hatred and disrespect that you and many people in this forum are promulgating? No person would logically or rationally choose to attach himself/herself to such a socially stigmatized group.

Congratulations to all of the couples that have decided to marry. You, just as all other couples in the state, deserve the utmost respect and recognition of your life-long commitment to one another.

Interested wrote on Jun 17, 2008 3:40 PM:Minister: When God stands at your side --- assuming as you do that he'll defend your hate ---- I'd like to be there to ask Him a few questions. We have your opinion. Now I'd like to hear his --- and I'd like you to hear it too. All you need is love...

So Cal Native wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:12 PM:This is just plain sick! I feel sorry for the kids that will have to go to school and say my mommy is a man. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam & Adam for a reason, TO REPRODUCE. Enjoy it now because, time is running out! The people of California have spoken and we will speak again come November.

dear Concerned One wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:23 PM:Are you speaking of the "damned picture" on the web page as the one of the two happily married newlyweds? The fact that they are both female really grinds your gourd eh? Why don't you close your eyes?

LOL wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:23 PM:Jesus never spoke of it, yet we all claim the "anti" position supercedes his greatest commandment "Love thy neighbor...". Jesus reached out to all people. When other wanted to stone a woman for alledged sins, without a word being spoken, he shewed the accusers away then showed her she was covered by his Grace. That is the true sense of God. Where is yours? You want to quote and prech from a Bible it seems you do not practice...for if you did you would have sold your sister into slavery and never eat shell fish because of the abomination. I am willing to bet you don't follow those yet don't stand in protest at a Lobster House. Of course you would claim the Old Covenant was superceded by the New Covenant (Testament) yet you are silenced on why if it was such a heaven rendering issue - Jesus - the one who gave us salvation by grace never spoke of it. Perhaps the time has come that you stand at the pulpit and publicly repent for your non-christian rants here. In fact, step forward in Christ and state your name and your church so we can all attend!

No real marriage wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:30 PM:Doesn't anyone think its funny that marriage is a religious joining of two, a man and a woman, and that if any gays beleive in their religion at all and still get married are two faced hypocrits. You can't beleive in both. How can you beleive in marriage but not what marriage is.

Strange wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:33 PM:Why is this on the front of the online newspaper? I really, really don't get why this is so important. I took a look at msnbc(I guess I could choose any other online media outlet) The leads are "Floods put Red Cross in the red," "Celtics’ Pierce stealing the show, " and " Dog from Vick case has his day." Frankly, a dog saved from a NFL quarterback's dogfighting ring and put to good use is much more interesting. I'l even take the Celtic's story of the Gay story... oh well... again tell me if you know why this is so important.

Strange wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:35 PM:Why is this on the front of the online newspaper? I really, really don't get why this is so important. I took a look at msnbc(I guess I could choose any other online media outlet) The leads are "Floods put Red Cross in the red," "Celtic stealing the show, " and " Dog from case has his day." Frankly, a dog saved from a NFL quarterback's dogfighting ring and put to good use is much more interesting. I'l even take the Celtic's story of the Gay story... oh well... again tell me if you know why this is so important.

Stranger wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:43 PM:Why don't we prevent you from getting married until you're in your 50s? We'll suddenly let you do it and then ask you if you think it's important

Let he wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:47 PM:who is without sin cast the first stone. Oh and what ever happened to the seperation of church and state? I think it got lost somewhere in the last century somewhere.

now they can... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 4:47 PM:pay the increased taxes on married folks levied by the family-unfriendly republicans.

Marriage is wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:13 PM:Between a man and a woman PERIOD!!!
The majority will change the judges ruling come NOVEMBER!

To janet wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:32 PM:You Don't understand the Holy Scriptures. So don't try to use it to your advantage. The new testament is full of scripture that forbids Homosexual conduct. Jesus did not come to abolish the old testament, but to fullfil it. GO AND SIN NO MORE! I am a sinner who still sins openly, but at least I know what i have to do to be saved.

Irony of Naturalism wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:42 PM:Question I would LOVE SOMEONE to FINALLY ANSWER ONE OF THESE DAYS:

If you put all the "gays" on an island, how long would they last?

Thank-you... case closed.. nuff said

to let he wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:49 PM:Gays need to seperate themselves from institutions of the Church. No gays are married, no matter what a piece of paper says. Marriage is defined as an agreement between a man and woman.

Irony of overpopulation wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:53 PM:"Irony of naturalism" makes a great case for more homosexual couples and fewer heterosexual couples, considering how crowded our schools have gotten.

And wait, I've got another one:

If you put all the "farmers" in front of a computer terminal, how long would they make food?

Thank-you... case closed.. nuff said

To Irony wrote on Jun 17, 2008 5:53 PM:They would probably figure out that their gay lifestyle was wrong all along and realize that only natural relations would keep them going on. Gods will would prevail!

Believer wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:04 PM:To all my Christian bros and sistaz. Let God take care of his enemies. The word says that people will go from bad to worse until the day that He returns.So make room for God's wrath.
let the evil have their fun now, cause we know what beholds the enemies of God.

big words wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:16 PM:I love the way the homophobes think their arguments are more persuasive with ALL CAPITAL LETTERS. It kind of makes me wonder whether they're able to use logic at all. No wonder they get confused and start using phrases like PROTECT MARRIAGE to regulate what goes on in other people's lives.

emty words wrote on Jun 17, 2008 6:40 PM:I love the way Homosexuals make up thier own twisted logic to justify their twisted, lustfull lifestyles. No wonder they get confused and get hitched with the SAME SEX.

Thank you Believer wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:00 PM:Great words of encouragement! Bless You for that.

Whats up with the slide show NCT wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:02 PM:Like we all want to see a bunch of pictures of people getting married. Where was the slide show in the paper when I got married???????

Oh , thats right, I'm straight and a legal citizen, so I am exempt.

To Christians wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:02 PM:Your religion says homosexuality is wrong.
My religion embraces it.

Let's call it a draw and go get a beer.

Live and let God(dess).

Hegelian wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:05 PM:Based upon natural laws and evolutionary science it is very clear that normal sexual behavior is that which functions according to its design. The natural order of all life dictates procreation.

It is erroneous to assert that homosexuals are being discriminated against if denied the right to enter the marriage union when the immovable foundations of tradition, legal precedent, natural laws, human physiology, and social-science evidence dictates that marriage is by definition a heterosexual institution. Current California laws protect the human rights of ALL its citizens.

Limiting marriage to one man and one woman cannot be construed to be discriminatory. It is a necessary condition for marriage as it has always been properly and appropriately discriminatory, as when it denies a man the right to marry his mother, daughter, sister, a child, or someone already married.

The fact is that by definition, marriage is the union between one man and one woman, because men and women are the only categories of human beings that can bring forth the next generation.

Grump wrote on Jun 17, 2008 7:21 PM:Well isn't that picture just thweeet! Andrew Dice Clay said it best, "how can one guy be laying on the beach and see another guy's hairy bum walk bye and say, "oohh, I gatta have that!"

to Minister too wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:06 PM:You're not going to get sued. No gay or lesbian couple would want you anywhere near their wedding. There are plenty of ministers to marry them. Who are you people trying to kid?

Pastor wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:11 PM:I agree that if a minister or official doesn't want to perform a ceremony, that's their business, but I do wonder why I see so much hate, and talk of God's wrath (which is a convenient way of concealing hate) on this issue. Christians are quick to say homosexuality is an abomination, but are quick to show grace to the divorced that are re-married (the Bible definitely talks about that...and in the NT no less!) There are 6 verses in the entire Bible that are said to be about homosexuality, 3 in the OT 3 in the NT. The problem is that when you read your BIble, the word homosexual, was not part of the original text. THat word wasn't even around until the early 1900's. The greek word used is very loosley translated as homosexual. As a pastor, I am disappointed at the behavior of Christians towards the gay community. I accept that many Christians believe that homosexuality is sinful, but so is hate. I personally, after a lot of study, wonder if homosexuals in committed relationships are sinning...so I say to the newlyweds, God Bless.

God wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:12 PM:Who do you so-called Christians think created homosexuals?

Definition Of Marriage wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:14 PM:HEGELIAN: "The fact is that by definition, marriage is the union between one man and one woman"

It's true that is one definition of the word marriage. Another part of that definition, however, states that marriage is: "any close or intimate association or union" ... That could mean something as simple as peanut butter and jelly or it could mean Bob & Mike or Brenda & Sue. It could also mean John & Stacey ... or song & lyric ... etc, etc.

The word marriage has a definition that allows it to cover so many different relationships that trying to cite this one section as the absolute one and only makes your argument defective at best.

Natural law and evolutionary science (or even creationism) doesn't rule our land. It may rule our species .. but not our land. Given that ... denying the participation in a publically enforced contract based on things such as sex, religion, skin color or sexual orientation is in fact discrimination.

I just spoke... wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:16 PM:to Jesus and God and they are okay with gay marriage. "Get over it, its a done deal" said Jesus. "To each their own" said God. Well, I'm satisfied.

Christine wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:32 PM:This is really sad for California. Our Governor needs to stimulate the economy here and this is what he chose. It isn't a matter of just religion but of accepting things that are unnatural and not seeing the mess this will cause. Why couldn't it be named something else and preserve marriage for the old fashion woman and man. This state is loosing all dignity and sense of pride.

Christine wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:46 PM:I'm having trouble picturing this whole thing! Sure glad I don't have kids to try and explain two guys or two girls...OMG!!!

Diana wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:47 PM:God hates the SIN - NOT the sinner.

to empty words wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:49 PM:Homosexual "lifestyle" is no more lustful than hetero. You must be very misinformed.

to good frief wrote on Jun 17, 2008 8:50 PM:What about the children of straight couples who divorce (over 50% do) are they any less confused over their situation?

A proud American... and a Voter-to-be wrote on Jun 17, 2008 9:36 PM:This whole business is downright disgusting!
I hope Escondido will never come to this.

blm wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:35 AM:The pictures show some very happy people celebrating life in their own way. It doesn't hurt me, and they aren't forcing me to approach life the way they are. So live and let live.

Patrick wrote on Jun 18, 2008 6:49 AM:Who cares? Now get back to work!

The Gay After wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:05 AM:Gays have married and look... we're all still here, the world didn't come to an end. The evil homosexuals with their dreams of wanting a family and contributing to society didn't make California sink into the ocean...

Really Now wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:09 AM:God is weeping over gay marriage? I'm almost CERTAIN God has better things to weep over like: war, poverty and hunger. I'm willing to be judged for loving another man, but at least I won't be judged for hating and hurting people.

To PROUD AMERICAN wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:12 AM:"This whole business is downright disgusting!
I hope Escondido will never come to this." - Proud American And Voter-To-Be

Oh goodness... ummm, Escondido is a part of the state of California, so ummm, it has come to this. Hold off on your voting for a bit ok? Maybe focus a little more on your schooling, largely geography.

Adopted Children wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:17 AM:I have friends who were raised by same-sex couples both by adoption and by a biological mother and everyone last one of them have grown to be amazing loving people.
I even had a friend who grew up with a heterosexual couple, her mother than married another woman and yes at first she was confused (just as confused as any child during a divorce) BUT she ended up realizing there was real love in her home. And now when her and I talk about the situation she says the love she feels in her home with her mom and her wife is stronger than anything she had experienced.
It doesn't matter who you are marrying, but why you marry. If you truly love them then go for it. And it won't matter if people try to deny you of your love because the feelings you have for each other is stronger than any hate strangers have towards you.

Radman wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:23 AM:Why don't you bible thumpers follow the scriptures below.

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21
If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.
DEUTERONOMY 22:22
If a married person has sex with someone else's husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.
MARK 10:1-12
Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.
LEVITICUS 18:19
The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.
MARK 12:18-27
If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.
DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12
If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy's genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

You pick the ones you like?

Mike wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:25 AM:Now that anyone can get married there is no need to have domestic partner health care coverage or any other similar benefit.

To Ha et. al. wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:25 AM:Ha wrote at 1:24PM, "How do you know that the end is near if you don't know when "he" (ha) is coming?" The signs were foretold and are there for those willing to look: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God. In the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping a promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentence. By everyone, he does mean all of us, you and me.

CR wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:28 AM:What a sad day for Californians--as we become one of the two worst states in the U.S. Just because a few wacko judges can overturn the will of millions of voters, it WILL change this November. Those judges may say these "pseudo-marriages" are recognized here, but they NEVER will be by me!

Buford T. wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:13 AM:Thanks NC Times for throwing the "former Marine" slam on the first line of your article. I didn't see that you referred to anyone else as a "former" anything. Like is was at all relevant to the "news" you were reporting. Just trying to bring the human element by making it appeal to your local audience???? Inferring what - that they are all gay at Camp Pendleton????? Wrong! Unsat, a cheap shot and just plain wrong.

andy wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:18 AM:I can't believe the ignorance and stupidity on this board. Keep your religion to yourself! These so called christian nuts give a christ a bad name and are starting to sound like the taliban. Ivy league educated here, and making over 300k, in a committed relationship for 16 years, I have a blessed life, and frankly I feel sorry for you poor deluded souls. I really do. Your life must be something terrible.

yes radman wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:25 AM:Evil christian people, why don't you follow all the other tenants of the bible? Why are you allowed to pick and choose? What hypocrites!

flip wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:32 AM:It seems like a lot of people on this blog are just incensed at the idea that a M-M or W-W relationship could could go by the same name as a M-W relationship. So maybe we should call the same-sex version "garriage." Better yet, let's look up the Aramaic or ancient Hebrew or Greek word for M-W marriage and offer that word as an option for newlywed straights who don't want to be mistaken for gay couples.

Hegelian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:37 AM:The decision made by California activist judges was no minor adjustment or a slight change in degree that just extends benefits or rights to a larger class, but was a substantive change in the essence of the institution of marriage. It does not merely expand marriage; it alters its core meaning, for to redefine marriage so that it is not intrinsically related to the relationship between fathers, mothers, and children formally severs the institution from its nature and purpose. For thousands of years, on the basis of experience, tradition, and legal precedent, every society and every major religious faith have upheld marriage as a unique relationship by which a man and a woman are joined together for the primary purpose of forming and maintaining a family. This overwhelming consensus results from the fact that the union of man and woman is apparent and manifest in the most basic and evident truths of human nature.

Expanding marriage supposedly to make it more inclusive, no matter what we call the new arrangement, necessarily ends marriage as we now know it by remaking the institution into something different: a mere contract between any two individuals. The long term legal, and social, ramifications will be profound as the basic fabric of society is torn in two.

Bro Rufus wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:44 AM:Well, this is an odd headline, isn't it? Aren't nearly all newlyweds happy and gay? To avoid confusion and also corruption of our language, shouldn't the headline make reference instead to "HOMOSEXUAL COUPLES"? The sense I get from reading about these people is that they are proud to be homosexuals, so at least acknowledge the fact, please. And please stop corrupting my language.

Move away then.. wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:49 AM:If you think that California is so messed up (CR 8:28a.m.)move to another state that has yet to approve of "same sex marriage" How does same sex marriage affect you whiners?? It does not!!You all speak about how GOD would be weeping because of same sex marriages and quoting the bible. I don't see it anywhere in the bible giving a priest (a man of the cloth) the "RIGHT" to molest innocent children.HYPOCRITES INDEED!!!

liberaljim wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:01 AM:In a democracy it is the duty of the courts to protect the constitutional rights of minorities from obliteration by the majority. Massachusetts allows same-sex marriage and has the lowest divorce rate in the nation. Appartently the only thing same-sex marriage threatens is the sanctity of divorce.

Beth wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:16 AM:I am in support of the idea to, “Pray to save marriage”. I do this every day- now. I believe that the people that speak these words should apply it to themselves before they attempt to hinder other people. The divorce rate, adultery occurrences, and the instances of child and spousal abuse are well documented among marriages between men and women. These folks would be better served to use their efforts help themselves, rather than to hurt other people.
Proponents of keeping marriage between a man and a woman advocate that this is based, in part, on the fact that the goal of marriage is procreation. Then these people should also try to stop older folks past the age of child bearing to marry. And prevent the young men and women to marry, that for whatever reason cannot or choose not to have children. As long as they’re at it, how about a decree that states once men and women that are married stop having sexual relations that they be mandated to divorce? Perhaps we should all stop and think that marriage is simply about love.
I have never heard God say: gay marriage is forbidden. For that matter, I do not believe anyone has actually heard this utterance. People throughout time have integrated their personal views and beliefs into events that have taken place many years ago, often time without merit or credence. This has only severed to do damage and divide people, rather than God’s intention of everyone loving and supporting one another, regardless of personal differences. If Jesus were here today, the question could be asked, “What would Jesus do?” I think He would marry anyone who presented themselves for the lifetime commitment of love.

CR wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:33 AM:To all the pro-gay "pseudo-marriage" people writing in that pretend to be religious, you pick and choose what part of the Bible you chose to believe. You set yourself up as "god"--if you don't believe it all, don't pretend you believe it at all! We'll see who has the last laugh in November. I would gladly move to another more sane state if my work was there!

To Hegelian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:57 AM:When it comes to the public rights & responsibilities of a marriage it has never been anything more than a mere contract between adults. Marriage doesn't take on any 'spiritual' meaning until it's put in a religious setting and no one is forcing a church to participate in something they don't feel is part of their tenets. Government offices, however, don't have that luxury. Government must treat all legal, law abiding & tax paying citizens the same ... period.

Flaming straight guy wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:34 AM:It's time for the "protect marriage" people to start acting like big boys and girls. Right now, you look like a bunch of whiners, like a 3-year-old who starts crying when he suddenly has to share the attention with a newborn sibling.

Why do we care wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:45 AM:Why is this so important, why the lead story? A couple of guys who can get the day off to get married is news. Ok, they legalized gay marriage. How many people does this effect?

Insane wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:46 AM:It is June 18th, one day since same-sex couples have been given equal marriage rights. Oddly, we are still all here. I was expecting California to fall into an abyss or sink into the Pacific Ocean. At least that is what I've been told would happen if gays and lesbians had equal rights.

Lori wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:00 PM:Is the North County Times running out of things to write about? These same articles have been the paper for DAYS now! We get the picture. Gays can marry. Move on!!

Hart wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:09 PM:The ignorance just goes on and on...
truly amazing, the number of fundamentalist Christians who can't spell or tie together a complete sentence, let alone grasp the basic concept of love as a universal right. Yes, what a heinous, apocalyptic mess the world is, today, as a result of same sex couples committing to each other on a piece of paper, yesterday. Clearly, the floods, the earthquakes, the violence of the world, all ensue due to the loving relationships between gay people. This makes perfect sense. You poor, sad, unevolved, small-minded miscreants. Do you really think any of us care whether you support our lifestyles, or not?

Sorry Lori - this is history wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:36 PM:Thanks for the great coverage, this is truly history in the making. Congratulations to everyone, straight and gay!!!

Former Marine wrote on Jun 18, 2008 12:40 PM:The fact that the guy was a Marine is news. Sort of like man bites dog? Maybe in Kalamzoo it would not be news, but in San Diego county it is news.

Focal Point wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:16 PM:CR[-] wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:28 AM: Are you of so much importance?

Focal Point wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:18 PM:To Minister[-] wrote on Jun 17, 2008 10:49 AM: God does not weep. He is a pure spirit. Quit apply human finite bodily characteristics to Almighty God.

Oh boo hoo wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:20 PM:The tide is turning in favor of tolerance. Better get used to it, church-o's.

Hey Scoffers wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:35 PM:All of you having fun pulling up verses from Deuteronomy are missing something: Christians are not subject to Old Testament Law. We are under grace thanks to the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ. But understand this: God's moral standards never change. What was sin then is sin now. We all sin, and we all need Jesus to justify ourselves before God. On the other hand, you are free to believe that we are merely complex collections of molecules that have mutated and evolved over millions of years. In such a case morality is meaningless, and your molecules truly are free to behave as molecules do, with no particular regard to other molecules. In that case go ahead and mock us, mock our God and mock the Bible if it feels good. We are used to it.

ToNCT wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:39 PM:I understand, If I was a homosexual censer for the NCT I would not post my comments either, It's OK, I'm not mad. I feel sorry for your pettiness, But I'm not mad.

Wow wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:44 PM:Is it just me or do most of those against gay marriage use improper English in the posts? Apparently ignorance and a lack of education can lead people to believe they are better than others.

Assumption wrote on Jun 18, 2008 1:53 PM:California toilet, you presume too much.
[-] wrote on Jun 17, 2008 11:22 AM:
Love and marriage and truth combine all on one day of freedom and the Jesus freaks think California is being flushed down the toilet. Why did I decide not to be an American Christian? I wonder.
I never mentioned anything about religion, I said that the majority voted against it only to have it forced on us anyway. If we lose an election we deal with it, if you lose you buy someone off to get your way.If you don't like this system of majority rules government maybe you should move to the middle east where human rights abound.

to CR wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:19 PM:So you're saying that you follow everything in the BIble? Even the Old Testament? I am sure that you "pick and choose" which Levitical laws to follow. The Christians that moan the loudest about Gays being an abomination follow very few of the Levitical laws, so really THEY pick and choose a lot more than those Christians who choose to treat human beings with love instead of hate. And I am not pretending to be religious, I am a pastor in a mainstream denomination.

noway wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:38 PM:I don't know why they are wasting their time and money on getting married. it WILL get overturned in November anyways! Its wrong. morally, its wrong. God did not mean for same sexes to marry- if he did, then they would be able to procreate!

Three D wrote on Jun 18, 2008 2:44 PM:To: Hey Scoffers at 1:35 p.m.
Actually, the references to the Bible forbidding pork and shrimp cited are not from Deuteronomy, but from Leviticus chapter 11. And yes, eating these are not merely matters of law, but they are called abomination. It seems strange that the same Christians who repeatedly cite Leviticus regarding homosexuality dismiss it when it talks about dietary laws or ritual purification after menstruation.
And you talk about not being under the Law, and the renegade "apostle" Paul taught, but Jesus, whom you seem to reject, taught in Matthew 5:18 that not one dot or iota of the Law would be exempt from compliance until ALL THINGS are fulfilled and "heaven and earth pass away," and I assume the word "all" includes all the prophecies about the end times stuff, especially since heaven and earth have not passed away yet.
And, by the way, please explain how killing an innocent man through a bloody ritual of human sacrifice does anything to "justify" you. It seems the followers of Paul (against Jesus) want the "lazy man's way to salvation" instead of the way that Jesus taught, through universal compassionate DEEDS towards neighbors, enemies and the "hard to love" he called the "least of these" (including homosexuals?), as he stated repeatedly, but most clearly in Matt 25:31-46, where that is the sole standard of salvation with NO OTHER QUALIFICATION.

to Hey wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:06 PM:How does it follow that if we are natural products of evolution, made of molecules, that there is no basis for morality? We aren't molecules, we're humans. Humans have always lived in groups and have always needed one another to survive. Sounds like the basis of morality to me. Humans have had moral systems long before 6K BC. You're mixing up having a moral system with needing one imposed from elsewhere. Turns out that people do not need an authority figure to insist we behave in certain ways. Of course it also turns out that lots of people who have claimed to be governed by Jewish, Christian, or Muslim authority have had no problem being immoral, just like their agnostic kin. Is this mocking? Is disagreeing mocking? Do you get any secret pleasure out of the idea that because we disagree with you, you will get to see us roasting in hell for eternity? Is your pleasure in this a sin? Just asking. My advice: if you have something good going for you, show is in your behavior. Turn the other cheek; love your enemies as yourself; do unto others as you would have them do unto you. That's the way to impress agnostics, you can be sure.

Ironic wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:08 PM:If God's response to gay marriage is earthquakes and floods, why the heck are the earthquakes in atheist and homophobic China and the floods in the Bible belt, where gay marriage is illegal?

Sorry Assumption wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:13 PM:We do not live in a system where majority rules. We live under a Constitution that protects the minority from certain things that the majority wants to do sometimes. I celebrate this, because majorities can be worse than the worst dictators.

Atheist Libertarian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 3:49 PM:While I oppose state "recognition" of ANYONE'S marriage (gay or straight!)-since it is a private, emotional contract, I applaud all couples who were married Tuesday, as you deserve to be have EQUAL RECOGNITION if ANY level of government insists on "recognizing" your "relationship". To the idiot religionists that somehow believe that there is a "god" that will punish those who live "differently". thank you for REIFORCING MY ATHEISM!

morals wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:25 PM:"Hey Scoffers" needs to cool down, because most of us aren't scoffing at Christians or Christianity. We're scoffing at Americhristianists who are selectively using biblical passages to twist our government to their fit their own prejudices. Most of us respect your morals and religious beliefs -- That should be obvious to you since we're not making decisions about whom and how you can marry. I wish you'd show us the same courtesy. "Collection of molecules" for which "morality is meaningless"? Surely you don't believe the rest of us are just a bunch of self-interested zombies, do you? The very fact that gay people want to get married to one another should be a clue that they have morals and feelings and that they're not just a bunch of selfish, promiscuous sex fiends.

In re According To wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:35 PM:Oh crap! I'm way behind!!!

Hey wrote on Jun 18, 2008 4:54 PM:Three D, those who receive salvation at the final judgement will have done good deeds during their lives out of joy of knowing their sins were forgiven. They did not earn their salvation through their good deeds. Read ahead to John 3:16, where Jesus said, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Believe in him and you will be saved. Compassionate deeds naturally follow. Feeding the hungry and helping the poor and sick are compassionate deeds. You should love friends, enemies and neighbors through compassionate deeds, and this is possible without participating in or celebrating their sins. As for eating pork and shrimp, those rules never applied to the Gentiles, but Jesus appeared to lift those rules for everyone in Mark 7:14-23.

To morals wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:09 PM:From whom did you get your morals? Did your parents believe homosexuality is moral and have this belief passed down to them through the generations? If not, who impressed on you that homosexuality is moral behavior? Just curious, because most of us get our sense of right and wrong from our parents at a very early age.

LL wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:14 PM:We are ALL sinners and therefore equal with one another. Quit picking and choosing the sins or actions that you don't like and focus instead on that giant plank of sin in your own life. 75% of men commit adultery during their marriage yet where are all the screaming protesting Christians regarding that "little" sin? Adultery destroys families, yet we just let it go, but gays marrying somehow is worse? Who are they hurting???? I am a long time happily married Christian woman and have yet to see any gay people causing anywhere near the trouble 75% of the married men (including most Christian men too!) are causing. Adultery is the number one cause of divorce in my church. Now THAT is disgusting! Congrats on the new marriages... They can't do worse than we hetero's... We Christians sometimes forget the Golden Rule of treating one another how you want to be treated.

To Atheist Libertarian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:27 PM:If having no accountability to a god for your actions is liberty, wouldn't it be great to abolish all government? I mean, who are they to tell us what we can or cannot do?

To Andy wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:39 PM:What kind of car do you drive? Who designed your clothes?

Can someone wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:49 PM:please tell me how two men/women being married really effect you? I could careless since this is not going to effect me one bit. I care more about how much the gas is going up and how in the heck am I going to keep affording to get to work, than where some guys is stuffing his member, be it in his wife or his husband. I don't really care for the whole gay thing, but it really doesn't effect me one bit, so this really isn't an issue. Leave these people alone so they can find happiness like the rest of us. Maybe our divorce rates will start going down once we start factoring gays into the equation. Not like we are doing that great with the married life when we have 50% or close to it divorce rate. Whats next people are going to start telling me I can't be married to my black wife because I am white. Get real people find real issues to fix like the war, gas our economy. Here is another thing to think about, what happens when one of your kids comes home and tells you they are gay? do you then stop loving them. I wouldn't. Wouldn't you want them to be happy in life, I would. I wouldn't care for their choice but they are my kids and loving them is more important to me than there sexual orientation.

Morals again wrote on Jun 18, 2008 5:56 PM:My parents contributed greatly to my moral development from a very early age, and it didn't include gay bashing. They didn't teach me that homosexuality is moral or immoral any more than salmon are more or less moral than trout. Most of my morals stem from the Golden Rule, including my support for gay marriage. I think a lot of you are confusing sexual choice with promiscuity. I frown on sexual promiscuity to the extent that it can lead us to forget how precious each of us is. Sadly, the inability to marry has made promiscuity worse among gay people just like it would make promiscuity worse among straight people.

To To Atheist Libertarian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 6:38 PM:You are absolutely correct. We should abolish the government. They don't have the right to tell us what to do. If all men are created equal, no one should be given more rights than anyone else, including those in government.

Best Wishes to the newlyweds wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:23 PM:Sounds like many who go to church and read the bible are skipping pages including "Do unto others, as you would have others do unto you" and "Love Thy Neighbor".

You don't want all the people to be equal. You really do not want the gays to have the rights that they deserve (USA Constitution).

You want to move backwards instead of moving forward. Women can now vote, blacks can sit anywhere on the bus, restaurants serve blacks and also black and white couples.

Sounds like you want slavery to come back. Sounds like you want 'perfect people' like Hitler - Nazis - Germany.

The Judge did the right thing.

The Majority is supposed to protect the the Minority.

Adultery is sinful wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:29 PM:Why do the Christians pick on one "sinful" lifestyle but not their own? Why homosexuality and not adultery?

They say it's because homosexuality is damaging our families and hurting our children. But which is really worse?

Over 50% of American parents get divorced. Most of those remarry. Over 50% of our children have their families torn apart and then merged with the families of strangers (causing a lot of sexual abuse on children by step-parents).

But less than 10% of the population is homosexual. Even if they had twice as many relationships as heterosexuals do, they could not possibly cause the kind of damage that heterosexual divorce and remarriage does.

The Bible considers divorce and remarriage as sinful; it is ADULTERY.

To Adultery wrote on Jun 18, 2008 7:54 PM:I suppose if all of the adulterers began flexing political muscle, organizing pride parades, promoting their lifestyles in public schools and demanding and receiving new rights, they might attract some attention too. Not everyone would be celebrating their lifestyles either.

To Atheist Libertarian wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:07 PM:Let us understand this. You don't like a government telling the people what to do and you would like to abolish the government, but you approve of how the Supreme Court asserted its power? Keep an eye out for the black helicopters.

WhoWhat wrote on Jun 18, 2008 8:49 PM:Marriage is condoned and encouraged by the state and federal Government for a simple reason; to (pro)create tax paying citizens and future generations. Marriage encourages a man/woman union as the most advantageous method for creating a happy healthy family. It is not advantageous for the Govt to endorse any other type of marriage as it does not enhance society in any way and denigrates marriage to a meaningless act.

Three D wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:17 PM:To: Hey at 4:54 p.m.
The verses you cite in Mark 7:14-23 have nothing to do with Jesus lifting the rules on anything at all in the law. And if it did, all you would have is a contradiction between that at Matt 5:18.
As for accepting Jesus as savior and earning salvation making you automatically become compassionate, that may be true in some cases but there is no direct correlation. There are many Christians who have accepted Jesus and "been saved" who are cruel and mean-spirited (we have seen many examples in this blog), and many who never even heard of Jesus who are extremely compassionate in both word and deed.
In Matt 25:31-46, the ONLY time Jesus HIMSELF described the final judgment, the very last general teaching before the Last Supper and the "end of things," he made it clear that those who are compassionate WILL BE SAVED and those who do not, will not. No other qualification. Words such as "faith" or "belief" or "accepting Jesus as savior" never appear anywhere in this seminal passage.
The very Christians who carry signs about God hating "fags" are the ones who will be rejected from his judgment. They follow the renegade "apostle" Paul, NOT JESUS.

dissappointed at NCtimes wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:43 PM:Can someone please tell me if the"party A" and "party B" is to be on all marriage licenses now. I love that mine says "name of groom" and "name of bride." If it has been changed, why? I don't want my children to go to the county clerk's office with their heterosexual future spouses and see 'party A and party b" on the license.
Also, why hasn't the NCtimes been running articles on the majority who are ticked off that our majority vote on marriage has been thrown out by some liberal judges? I'd like to see that on the front page of the paper. I bet we'll get an AWESOME republican turnout in November.

My god can beat up your god wrote on Jun 18, 2008 9:47 PM:I don't understand why others would care if people want to join in a state sanctioned partnership. It's a situation where there are no victims. Nobody is suggesting that it has to take place in a church. So, quoting voodoo means absolutely nothing here. They will now pay taxes as married couples. They will now share in the other's financial difficulties, whether they want to or not. They will also soon experience divorce. Will the first divorce make news? After the first divorce will they still call themselves "gay"? They might find themselves bitter, and "gay" may no longer be an appropriate term. As long as I don't have to see two dudes kissing, I'll survive. That ain't pretty! But, that's my problem not a legal issue. If it were up to me, I'd outlaw divorce. Yup, a life sentence especially if you're a loud mouthed fanatic that's quick to point fingers at others. The religious zealots are completely out of line. They're only a step away from behaving like the brainwashed folks of another region of the world that we're currently contending with. Same mentality, different book. Look, in the sky! It's a bird, it's a plane!...Nope, blue ice. Alot of religious fanatacism stems from guilt over homosexual urges. You know what I mean, Mr. sinister minister? I think all gays are heathen witches. Remember what the Christians did to those that were accused witches? But, that didn't matter, their god forgave them. Cuckoo, cuckoo! There are two things in this world that I know for sure. Religious nuts are very rarely standing on moral high ground, and most gays keep their yards nice.

disappointed too wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:34 PM:How can the NCTIMES continue to print these outright bigoted comments? The court has decided the issue. It is discrimination and it has to stop. Gay people as a minority group should not have to be second class citizens or be continually harassed and subjugated by bigots using vague and fictive religious rhetoric. I love how many of the religious right want to protect there children, well ladies and gentleman, guess what -gay people are the children of straight religious couples too. I'm getting married after 16 years together, my father in law is an ivy league educated psychiatrist. He's published journal articles in the late 60s about curing homosexuality. IRONICALLY, his his daughter and son turned out gay. His daughter is a psychologist who works with children and is son, my fiance, is an artist who has shown around the world. Needless to say he is now so proud of two children and now is an advocate for gay issues in the psychoanalytic community. He's flying out for our wedding too. Gosh. Stop with the HATE. This is not medieval times.

Re me andy wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:46 PM:Just responding that, I don't own a car. I live in the city and use public transit. Clothes? I don't like shopping in stores or malls, most of my stuff is from the internet. I like to travel see the world. Once you get out of the bubble that is socal you see what a great gift our planet and its people are.

Bingo wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:53 PM:To all those in favor.Would ya be willing to sleep with the same sex?

BEING GAY IS A CHOICE wrote on Jun 18, 2008 10:56 PM:I think all the right wingers claiming homosexuality is a choice are either repressed homosexuals or Bisexual or crazy. Every person in touch with who they truly are knows that sexual orientation is not a choice. Give me a break. Wake up!

jeeze wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:03 PM:All you people are willing to knock christians but the first to back up islam.

jeeze wrote on Jun 18, 2008 11:09 PM:All of you are willing to get behind muslims and defend them but anybody else.Think about it.

South Africa wrote on Jun 19, 2008 5:37 AM:South Africa is having an epidemic of AIDS. More people are dying than are being born. Approximately 800 people die of AIDS daily. The people refuse to curtail their promiscuous behavior so AIDS continues to spread unchecked. I fear we are headed for the same consequences here in America.

WhyWhoWhat wrote on Jun 19, 2008 9:25 AM:We've got 300 million people here and 6 or 7 billion people worldwide. And you want to ban gay marriage as a way to make these numbers even bigger? Think about it -- Leviticus was written in 1000 BC for a tribe of 5,000 or 10,000 people wandering around in the desert. They criminalized homosexuality and masturbation because both were a waste of breeding resources, a.k.a "spilling your seed." We've moved waaaaaayyy beyond that.

Three D wrote on Jun 19, 2008 9:42 AM:Jeeze at 11:03 and 11:09 p.m. makes the assumption that defenders of same-sex equal civil rights oppose Christians but defend Moslems.
This is not true.
The Koran (Qur'an) in Surah 7:81 condemns same sex unions and liberals would absolutely oppose that, too. We oppose all religious tyranny, whether from ayatollahs and mullahs or evangelical demagogues.

And a special "thank you" to "South Africa" at 5:37 a.m. for pointing out the tragic epidemic of AIDS in South Africa (and also in much of the rest of that continent). "South Africa" failed to note one small but quite relevant details regarding this epidemic. In the United States, the disease was first introduced in the gay community, where it had the first effect, but has now also spread to heterosexuals. This was not the case in Africa, where almost 100% of cases are transmitted heterosexually.
Relevant to the topic of this page, should that be the basis for outlawing heterosexual marriage in Africa?

Stephan wrote on Jun 19, 2008 9:51 AM:Gay or not, they are just people. People are born with certain inalienable rights according to our constitution and religion plays no part in obtaining those rights.

When are the bible thumpers going to realize that they are a majority and it is these same rights that we give gays that ALLOW the religious zealots to practice their religions.

What if we, as a people outlawed YOUR religion because you are minorities in this society. It is these very same rights that are giving you religious folks the right to practice your religion and to believe what you want.

Wake up people because some day, you may find yourselves on the other end of the stick.... hoping the US Supreme Court rules in your favor so you can go on being a religious zealot here in America.

Think about it!

Embrace Diversity!

No Victims Are you ignorant wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:09 AM:Who are the victims? The children being born today! The disintegration of the family unit! What kind of role model is two mommies or two daddies?

I value my marriage. I don't believe in divorce either. If the homosexuals wanted financial and legal rights, why not call it a "union"? I consider it blasphemy to God to have same-sex marriages. It appears that a majority of the state is against it. The liberal media just prints what they want about it. They don't print the stories about how many people are appalled at this ruling!

I don't hate gay people and I understand that they want some sort of rights however "Marriage" should be between one man and one woman. Period. So are all of you gay marriage supporters going to start supporting polygamy as well? What has our society become?

Somebody else remarked that China is where the earthquakes have been happening and floods in the bible belt region. It has nothing to do with gay marriage, its geography. DUH!!! We will have a great quake here too, its just a matter of time.

Sleeping but Awake wrote on Jun 19, 2008 10:16 AM:Opposition to gay marriage is nothing less than bigotry and hatred. Wrapping bigotry and hatred up in the bible only makes it more repulsive.

Apollo wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:29 AM:Re: Bingo (10:53 p.m.) and "Being Gay is a Choice" (10:56 p.m.)
Bingo asks if straights who support gay rights would be willing to sleep with the same sex.
As a straight person, no I would not.
What "Bingo" just can't get through his narrow-minded head is that it is not about ME. It is not about "Bingo." It is that each person can live their own life. I do not have to understand gay feelings or feel them myself to say that every person, no matter who they are, has the right to be who or what they are.
As for "Being Gay is a Choice" - why would anyone choose to belong to a minority that is reviled and discriminated against? Increasing volumes of psychiatric and scientific evidence confirm that you are wrong. It is not a choice.
But what if it were? SO WHAT? This is America. This is the land of freedom. Do you understand the simple word "freedom"? It means you are FREE. Free to make choices. If being gay is a choice or if it is inborn, either way it is none of your business. Leave them alone. Live and let live. Let them enjoy the "pursuit of happiness" on which this nation was founded, whether you like it or not. You are free to decide about your own life, as am I. And so should every human being on this planet, but no place more than in America, LAND OF THE FREE! God bless America!

Amazing wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:21 PM:Why does this subject always get people's hairs in a bunch? If you're a christian, as I am, then don't judge. We will all get whatever is coming to us for whatever sins we've commited in our lives. Only God can judge us and only He knows what our sins truly are. Leave the finger pointing and punishment to Him. Besides, it does you no good to get all upset by something that doesn't directly affect you. If it's painful for you to watch, then choose not to observe it. Pray for everyone and go on with your life. Have a blessed day.

Parent wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:50 PM:New legislation in Sacramento will require public schools to positively portray transsexuality, bisexuality, and homosexuality to children as young as kindergarten. When is it the government's job to influence my child's choice in sexual behavior using my tax dollars? My child's feelings and decisions in this realm are none of the government's business. I expect many of you to say I am free to pull my kids out of the public school. That leaves two choices while I continue to pay taxes toward the public school my child will no longer use: pay private school tuition, or home school. No, wait a minute, the teachers' union claims homeschooling is illegal unless the teaching parent has state credentials, and earlier this year a state appellate court agreed. So, if I cannot come up with the money for private tuition or a state teaching credential, my child will be forced to undergo this indoctrination, all in the name of celebrating diversity. My kids don't need sexual thought control. I say, teacher leave them kids alone.

Only report what they want wrote on Jun 19, 2008 12:59 PM:Looks like 'No Victims' only reports what he/she wants. 'They don't print the stories about how many people are appalled at this ruling.' Did NV even read this article? One of the first paragraphs:

Only one protest was reported in San Diego; about two dozen opponents to same-sex marriage rallied peacefully in support of traditional marriage at the county offices in downtown San Diego.

And if you "protect marriage" people know of a husband and wife who fall out of love and divorce because of this ruling, they should call up some newspapers and demand that a story be written. Until then, you look silly.

FTM wrote on Jun 19, 2008 1:38 PM:Hmm - I don't get it - I tried to post a blog but I think I must be using the wrong words. I see others here saying "flamers" and stuff - I used the word "homo" - I guess "flamer" is okay but "homo" is not. This is so hard to keep up with - it's like when people tried to make "mexican" a dirty word. "Hispanic" became the thing to say - but I ran into all kinds of people (including my own relatives) who were incencenced to be called "hispanic" - thier response was: "I am a Mexican and I am very proud of that!" So, now I gotta learn a new vocabulary for the Homosexual? In the 80's they called themself 'queer', and some use the word "bi". (Hey - what about a BI-SEXUAL?) If a Gay Guy and a BI Girl get married is that same sex? Oh well - I guess the NCT just figured all my previous bloggs were silly. Since when did the NCT stop printing 'silly'?

The Truth wrote on Jun 19, 2008 7:31 PM:The truth the media does not tell you.Over the past 20 years, there has been a great increase in the acceptance of homosexuality, but during the same period, there has been a huge increase in homosexual suffering due to disease and other factors. Over 70% of those who have contracted AIDS are homosexual or bi-sexual. Homosexual men are six times more likely to have attempted suicide than are heterosexual men.
A Kinsey study revealed that 43% of the homosexual men surveyed estimated that they had had sex with 500 or more partners; 28% with 1,000 or more partners.A major study by the Kinsey Institute revealed that 78% of male homo- sexual "affairs" (relationships entered into with an intent of commitment) lasted less than three years. Only 12% lasted five years or longer.In a survey reported in the official publication of the American Public Health Association, 78% of the gay respondents reported that they had been affected by a sexually transmitted disease at least one time. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Pleez wrote on Jun 19, 2008 11:28 PM:Tell me why is it when life majically appeared out of dirt it separated into two genders.You already have civil unions which gave em all the rights of a married couple.Come up with your own word and leave the definition as a union between a man and a women.

Red wrote on Jun 20, 2008 12:14 AM:I'm in love.

And I can now legally get married and protect my wife, who is so incredibly precious to me.

One month from now will be the happiest day of my life -- then why are you all trying to break my heart?

So True wrote on Jun 20, 2008 6:13 AM:So true about our liberal media. They are having a love-fest with same-sex marriage in California. And they are arm-in-arm with Equality California and other same-sex advocacy groups in protraying gays and lesbians as normal loving couples. Example, the very old lesbian ladies who had been together for 52 years. The media parades them as the "poster couple" to support the committment same-sex couples have. The underlying message as that this is the norm, but it is not. Same-sex couples, married, in civil unions, or just shacking up, break up at higher rates per capita than hetero-sex couples do. Hetero's have larger numbers of break-up's (divorce included) because there are MANY more hetero's than gays. But you won't read about that in the mainstream media press and news channels. Where's the balance in reporting?

It is not legal wrote on Jun 20, 2008 8:51 PM:To my knowledge it's still not legal for homosexuals to marry in CA or any state. It's not a law. Judges can't make laws. Only Congress can-"The President can propose laws, but only Congress can make a law. A member of either the House or Senate may introduce a bill and it must be approved by both. If similar but different bills are passed by the House and Senate, a conference committee will attempt to reconcile the differences and then both will vote on the same thing. Before it can be a law it must also be approved by the President or, if he does not sign the bill, the House and Senate can vote on it again and if they both pass it by a 2/3 majority it becomes law. If the law is challenged, the courts can rule that it is unconstitutional and then it is no longer a law.

They are desperate wrote on Jun 21, 2008 6:27 AM:Homosexual activists asked California's highest court Friday to keep off the November ballot a citizens' initiative that would again ban homosexual marriage.
Lawyers for Equality California filed a petition arguing that the proposed amendment to the California Constitution should be invalidated because its impact was not made clear to the millions of voters who signed petitions to qualify the measure before the state Supreme Court legalized same-sex unions.

The petition also claims the so-called California Marriage Protection Act should be disqualified because it would revise, rather than amend, the state Constitution by altering its fundamental guarantee of equality for all - in essence writing a law the state high court has already found unconstitutional into the constitution.

The petition names Secretary of State Debra Bowen and the measure's sponsors, a coalition of religious and social conservative groups called ProtectMarriage.com, as defendants.

Since Bowen's office already has certified the amendment for the fall election, a spokeswoman says she can remove it only through a court order.

The last time the state Supreme Court was asked to decide if a proposition should remain on the ballot was 2005, when it did so twice. In both decisions, the propositions were allowed to stay on the special election ballot.

In both 2005 cases, the state Supreme Court overturned lower courts who had taken the propositions off the ballot. The propositions were a redistricting initiative backed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and another that would have re-regulated the state's electricity market.

The Arizona-based Alliance Defense Fund, which represents the measure's sponsors, called the petition a desperate move it would fight.

"This is just another attempt to force a radical political agenda upon the people of California," said Defense Fund senior counsel Glen Lavy. "The opponents of marriage are willing to use any means necessary to impose their will."

Mom where do babies come from wrote on Jun 22, 2008 12:45 AM:ATTACK MY CAPS LOCK - FINE WITH ME! =)

Still havent answered my question...

If you put all the gays on an island how long would they last?

CASE CLOSE NUFF SAID THANK-YOU

AND no religion plays no role with this... nor any other slant you can place on my arguement..

it's simply naturalistic... so answer it big shots!