LETTERS: NCT, July 1, 2008

By Readers of the North County Times | Tuesday, July 1, 2008 12:22 AM PDT

New school bond?

I read in the paper that Valley Center High School is installing a new expensive track and football astro turf ("Valley Center High to get new $1.8M track, field," June 9). How can they afford this? Maybe it's because the taxpayers of Escondido will still be paying for their high school bond until 2020.

Escondido wants to pass a new bond in November. Are they crazy? Do they think we are made of money? Talk to us when we are out from under the Valley Center debt. Then and only then will I vote for a new school bond.

Julia Godinez

Escondido

Polygamy, too, may some day be acceptable

Ryan Smith (Letters, June 11) asks me to prove that gay marriage will lead to polygamy. Recall that the condition was we stay on the present course, which is erosion of traditional values, extreme emphasis on individual rights, judges legislating from the bench, advocacy groups for every cause and biased news media. This leads to court decisions unimaginable not long ago.

Polygamy may have few supporters, but it is more on the radar screen than gay marriage was 40 years ago. It is also illegal, and most, including myself, want it that way. ... I see nothing to assure me that laws against polygamy will not eventually be overturned, and much to convince me that they will.

About the stories I mentioned, check out the NPR Weekend Edition report, "American Muslim Family Chooses Polygamy," Oct. 13, 2007, and the editorial in USA Today by Jonathan Turley, "Polygamy Laws Expose Our Own Hypocrisy," Oct. 3, 2004. See also "Polyamorous Marriage," www.redbookmag.com/love/types-of-marriages-3. And the Web site for the "Big Love" HBO series on polygamy says the show "continues to explore the evolving institution of marriage."

Richard Boonstra

Escondido

They didn't do this to our forefathers

Went to my great-granddaughter's graduation from fifth grade this morning at Crestview Elementary School in Vista. I am 76 years old. I was appalled. I had to listen to all speeches in English, a couple of sentences then in Spanish. Didn't listen as, after a while, the thought of sentences leaves you when they repeat them in Spanish.

What is this country coming to? Why are we catering to Spanish-speaking people? This is an English-speaking country and we should do school activities in English. If they don't understand, they might want to learn English. If we cater to them, we are doing a disservice to them. We encourage them to not learn the language.

Let's put a stop to this. You think they did this for our forefathers? I know they didn't do it for my German grandmother and grandfather. They were proud to be American, and learned the English language.

Marilyn Muntz

Oceanside

Someone was watching over us

This is a warning of one of the possible consequences of this slow real estate market. It is a true story. In April 2007, because of my husband's poor health, we downsized our living arrangements, moving into a one-bedroom senior residence facility. We had the house painted and spruced up for sale. Unfortunately, we couldn't have picked a worse time.

After we had lived in the new place for about three months, we received a letter from the company insuring our house saying that they were canceling our policy as of Sept. 27, which they did. ... We decided that since we didn't have a mortgage, we would just move back in, which we did in November.

On a Thursday, I gave our 30-day notice of moving out. On Friday, I had a different company write a policy on the strength of our moving back in. Later that week, I stopped by to get the insurance papers and mentioned I was glad I had gotten the policy written on Friday. He said it was a good thing I did. That past Sunday, the fires had broken out and he couldn't write any new policies. Someone was watching over us.

Patricia Breedlove

San Marcos

Hard to understand recent changes

I am stunned at the recent changes [in the North County Times] and find I can no longer tolerate your strange choices. I always told myself that I would cancel if I ever saw a column by Michele Malkin or Ann Coulter. These two people do not deserve space or air time anywhere. They are beyond despicable. Then you drop the best column, "Miss Manners," and add a column by the notorious felon Oliver North. Couldn't you employ a far-left felon columnist for balance?

Because of your poor choices, I can no longer continue to support your newspaper. I have ethical standards that you no longer meet. You are only needed for extended reporting on local stories and excellent content. You no longer provide either of these.

Also, the anti-Semitic letters are just too repulsive and ignorant to read (Israel all bad, Palestine all good is an insane stance for a thinking or educated person). The only intelligent choice for any U.S. citizen is to be moderate, to consider each issue on its merits, not political identity. This is the only option for a decent community newspaper. If your intention was to boost readership, you have failed miserably.

Gwen Lee

Oceanside

The beginning of our eventual demise

Regarding Joan Horn's letter to the editor on June 18, "Stop discrimination against gays": (Dictionary) Discriminate: to note or distinguish as different. We are admonished by Horn and gays not to note them as different. Hello –– by choice, they are. All of them were given the physical means to reproduce, which is what God intended, and no one but themselves will keep them from that. It is their choice to be different.

Many of us had good friends or relatives who profess to be gay, and they are still friends and relatives, but we don't have to accept what God and we know is unnatural. In order for them to break us down to their thinking, they tear away at your belief system in God, which is your right. ...

A marriage is not having a preacher say words and sign a paper, which doesn't make you one. It is the connecting of two different sexes that does that! Homosexual marriage is the right to have what the other has in case of –– and civil benefits if any nowadays. The unlearned and followers will follow their discrimination theme. The learned will see the error of it and our eventual demise.

Ruth Burkhart

Vista

Not impressed with offshore buzz

Lately there has been a press buzz pushing offshore drilling as an answer to the oil crisis. I'm not impressed. First of all, this does not address market manipulation. I do not believe added oil capacity will lower the price of gas at the pump.

Secondly, I do not expect adequate public compensation for the exploitation of public resources. I do not expect a fat check like Alaskans get. I do not expect an increase in public revenues equal to the benefit conferred upon oil companies. I do not expect the oil companies to pay for any disaster they create.

Indeed, I expect to get stuck along with the rest of the public for the bill to clean up spills. In short, if drilling is allowed, I expect to get shafted, along with everyone else.

Julian Turner

Escondido

Sounding just like a politician

Mr. Chuck Mol (Letters, June 20) says it's ridiculous to ban sunblock and perfume at the beach. Mr. Mol does not believe that toxic chemicals in both products can cause the lungs to shut down, causing death to children and adults that breath it. The North County Times should have no problem verifying this.

Mr. Mol wants no cigarettes or beer at the beach and supports this. The part I cannot stop laughing about is Mr. Mol's last statement of, "I think Mr. King needs to keep his nose in his own business and not worry so much about how other people choose to live their lives." As Mr. Mol crucifies Mr. King over sunblock and perfume, he blatantly supports taking away what he dislikes from the public. Is Mr. Mol a politician? Sure sounds like it to me, and I do not smoke.

Buddie Gran

Escondido

Stop fighting war that should never have begun

In his article of June 7 ("D-Day today in context"), Oliver North correctly gives credit to those who served in the military during World War II. But then he criticizes those who are opposed to the war with Iraq. Our Constitution says we shall not go to war unless we are attacked.

Next, North paints a positive picture concerning Iraq, despite the death of more than 4,000 military men and women and 30,000 injured. Our military personnel deserve credit for their sacrifices. Unfortunately, they have been called upon to fight a war that never should have been started. The people of Iraq have suffered greatly and deserve our help for their recovery.

Bill Wernett

Fallbrook

Casa child care needed on base

Casa de Amparo, the Oceanside nonprofit that provides child abuse treatment and prevention programs, is privileged to work with Marine families at Camp Pendleton to mitigate the negative effects of deployment, relocation and post-traumatic stress on the family.

Recent legislation has been passed to extend military family eligibility for state preschool programs. ... However, the reform did not extend to the state contract covering Casa de Amparo's outstanding Child Development Center, which focuses its preschool care on children of families who are, specifically, at risk of abuse or neglect. Though Casa's program is nearly identical to the state preschool programs, the proposed regulatory reform does not include our Child Development Center. ...

To help right this inconsistency, the Casa de Amparo board suggests letters to Ms. Debra Strain, California Department of Education, 1430 N. St., Room 5319, Sacramento, CA 95814, asking that the change in application of the Title 5 California Code of Regulations (5CCR, Section 18078) include programs operating under the general child care funding, thus allowing Casa de Amparo's Child Development Center to extend maximum aid to military families in San Diego.

For more information, please contact Casa's executive director, Sharon Delphenich, (760) 754-5500.

Melissa Hoffmann

president, Board of Directors

Casa de Amparo

Oceanside

How many more must die?

Iraqi police said a U.S. airstrike Wednesday killed a family of six in northern Iraq. Our military says one "armed terrorist" was killed. An Iraqi Interior Ministry official said U.S. soldiers shot dead a male banker and two female employees as they were driving to work in western Baghdad. A U.S. military spokesman said three "militants" were killed after a convoy came under fire.

This confusion seems to happen constantly in our surge toward winning the hearts and minds of the long-suffering Iraqis. Things are also getting much worse in our occupation of Afghanistan. Are we just going to allow our country to be in a constant state of war in Iraq and the Mideast for the next who-knows-how-many years?

I have children and a grandchild, and as the MoveOn TV commercial says, "You can't have them." Seven American troops have died this week –– so far. As of Wednesday, June 25, 4,109 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq –– for nothing. Only 209 more days left for the war criminal Bush as president. Then he can be tried for his crimes at the Hague.

Eric Parish

Vista

Drive slower, save money

The need to cut back on fossil fuels isn't just about global warming. As President Bush acknowledged, our addiction to oil has weakened our country by making us dependent on other countries that have oil. We have no control over the supply or the price. The only way out of this twofold perfect storm of economic and political decline is to shift to sources of energy that we actually have some control over.

There are multiple proposals about what the government should do to bring about this shift, but none of them will have an immediate impact. There is, however, one thing that we can all do immediately, without any help from government, that will: Drive slower.

Voluntarily cutting our driving speed on the highway from 75 mph to 60 mph will make a huge difference in the amount of gas we consume. We'll spend less at the pump, and by impacting the demand for gasoline, the price will come down and we'll strike a blow at oil speculators. How easy is that?

And by the way, for most short trips and commutes, it won't make any significant difference in your travel time.

Richard Hicks

Cardiff

Offshore drilling won't make gas cheaper

If Exxon and Chevron are permitted to drill for oil off the coast of California, don't expect them to sell it to us for anything less than the world market price. They are not charitable organizations, nor have they ever allowed patriotism to cut into their net profits.

Robert de Georges

Encinitas

Whose interests is the Latino caucus serving?

It's become apparent certain groups and individuals are out to get the San Diego Minutemen, which is basically a multiethnic neighborhood watch group that advocates enforcement of U.S. immigration laws and securing our open borders with Mexico. ...

Now the Latino caucus in the California Legislature weighs in with a recent letter to Caltrans Director Will Kempton and signed by Sen. Gil Cedillo and Assemblyman Joe Coto saying: "The San Diego Minutemen is an organization that for many years has fostered violence and discrimination against Latinos." There is no validity to this slanderous statement. What is valid is the evidence that illegal aliens are committing terrible crimes against Americans as documented on www.alipac.com, www.usillegalaliens.com and www.immigrationshumancost.org.

There is also ample evidence that this same Latino caucus pressured Caltrans to violate the Minutemen's constitutional rights by forcing removal of their legally awarded Adopt-A-Highway sign on Interstate 5. Whose interests is the Latino caucus serving?

John and Suellen Shea

Vista

The truth about Jimmy Carter

The truth about Jimmy Carter: Jimmy Carter did not negotiate a treaty between Israel and Egypt. He bought it with taxpayer dollars: $4 billion a year to Israel and $2 billion a year to Egypt. That is $180 billion the taxpayers have paid for his Nobel Peace Prize. The reason for the increase in gas prices at that time was that by taking the lead out of gasoline, it cost more to refine a gallon of gas. When he left office, inflation was running above 10 percent. Margaret Thatcher, the former prime minister of England, said this about Jimmy Carter: "He is a nice man, but he had no business being president of the United States."

Doesn't Mr. Thomas Cowan Jr. know that the Saudis helped finance the Jimmy Carter Presidential Library and, as now, are still financially supporting him? Why is that, sir?

Max Hagan

Ramona

Same ol' typical politician thing

Obamophiles are an amusing lot. So desperate for "hope and change" they will fall on their peace signs to elect a typical politician who has demonstrated masterful oratory skills and little else. (Good thing the peace sign is encapsulated in a "childproof" safety circle lest they do serious damage to themselves.)

Sen. Obama reminds me of the absent-minded professor. His speeches are well-delivered, but did anyone check to see whether he remembered his umbrella, and do his socks match?

It must be Sunday if we are supposed to believe the Obamessiah walks on water. Inexplicably, his sycophants are at a loss to explain how such a brilliant hero sat in a pew for 20 years and missed the overt racism and anti-Americanism of his pastor. If he's certain Iran is not a grave threat, this must be Tuesday. If he's pandering to the AIPAC crowd about the importance of preserving Israel, it must be Thursday. If he's softening the previous statement to an Islamic group, it must be Friday. Certainly the pace ... of gas price increases bothers him –– it must be Wednesday. Denouncing drilling in areas of verified supply, he demonstrates zero knowledge of supply and demand –– it must be Saturday.

"Change"? Hardly! But I see a guy who hopes we won't notice.

Alexandra Cloney

Encinitas

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Still Laughing wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:48 AM:at John and Suellen Shea's, "...San Diego Minutemen, which is basically a multiethnic neighborhood watch group..."

John, Suellen, you lie to your friends, I'll lie to my friends, but let's not lie to each other!

Bill wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:57 AM:Bill Wernett says that war is reserved for when we are attacked.

Where was he on 9/11/01?

Since Al Qaeda doesnt represent a nation, I guess we should have just turned the other cheek right?

Is that what a responsible presidernt should have done?

I hope he loves his kids as much as our President does.

You know?

The guy who is protecting them?

Whose interests is the Latino caucus serving wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:27 AM:I called local Lori Saldana's office about her interference with SDMM and adopt a hwy. I called on behalf of non-latinos to express my concerns that her office seems to serve the Latino community and their interest only. I was called a racist and a bigot before her office staff person hung up on me hung up on me.

To Marilyn Muntz wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:34 AM:If your grandparents and others like them came to this country and "assimilated" by forgetting everything about their culture including their language, then they are cowards. They did so, so that Americans would not discriminate against them. Why should any immigrants especially legal immigrants have to fear being discriminated against? Because Americans are hateful.If we are to accept legal immigrants we are to accept all they contribute including their language. To do otherwise is un-American.America is land of freedom to be able to express yourself. This includes your language which is part of your identity.
To John and Suellen Shea.. Are undocumented immigrants the only people that commit crimes in the U.S.? What are you doing to reduce crime comitted by U.S. citizens? Are you keeping an eye for drunk drivers on weekends,child molesters, corrupt politicians,drug dealers?? Or does your agenda only revolve around undocumented immigrants? I don't think you have the courage to fight crimes commited by U.S. citizens.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:46 AM:Exactly right, Richard Boonstra.
Slipperly slope.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:49 AM:The letter from Richard Boonstra is the reason why I know that the anti-gay marriage crowd has lost what few neurons they had remaining, it is pure rubbish. Regards, Alf.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:54 AM:Consider yourself fortunate, Marilyn Muntz. In many cases, "the Race" has demanded separate graduations.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:55 AM:I like the part in the letter from Gwen Lee where she says "Then you drop the best column, "Miss Manners," and add a column by the notorious felon Oliver North. Couldn't you employ a far-left felon columnist for balance?" A far-left felon for balance? That's a gem! Regards, Alf.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:01 AM:Obviously in the 24% of those who do not want to drill for more oil. That's fine Julian Turner, you go right ahead and buy your little electric car & put your solar panels on your house so the rest of us, can enjoy lower gas prices.
You conserve so that we may benefit.
See? A win-win.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:07 AM:Am I getting this right, Buddie Gran?
You want to ban sunblock at the beach?

LOL.. too funny!

What have I been telling you about these Gladys Kravitz types?

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:12 AM:No, Bill Wernett. Our Constitution does not say we shall not go to war unless we are attacked.
It says the Congress shall declare war, and it did. Go back & look: "The Military Use of Force in Iraq."

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:22 AM:I beg to differ with Eric Parish. 50 million people are not, nothing.
I'm telling ya, there's something just a bit off by people like Eric, and i can't put my finger on it exactly. I don't know if it's a type of racism, or uncaring about other's people's. I'm just not sure what it is. But, this is the same group of people who are now telling us the Iraqi's would have been better off under Hussein, and the Afgani's would have been better under the Taliban.
I guess the thinking is, "Oh, sure.. it's ok for them brown-skinned people to live like that, but not me."
What kind of thinking is that?

Oh, and Eric... good luck at the
Hague.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:27 AM:Do you know what is truly amazing about Richard Hicks's letter today?
He didn't need a Big Nanny Government to tell him to do it, either!
Just as those who think the utopia needs electric cars & solar panels.
No one is stopping you! Go buy em!
And leave the rest of us alone.
If America is about anything, it is about making choices for your own life.
You make your's, and I'll make mine. Clearer now?

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:34 AM:Where are we now, Alexandra Cloney?
The wrong Rev. Wright, and his buddy Farakhan. Unrepentant American terrorist Bill Ayers who wishes he could have done more.
Big Tony Resko now convicted on 16 of 24 counts.
A "winne-the-Pooh" defense strategy.
Flopping on public financing.
Flipping on nuclear.
Side-stepping granting retroactive protection to telecom companies.
Talk to our enemies in Iran, while bombing our ally Pakistan.
As needed, I will keep the list updated.
Did I forget any?

Oh Max wrote on Jul 1, 2008 6:48 AM:MAX HOGAN: Excuse me. Is Jimmy Carter a candidate for President again? Who cares was that I certainly do not care a farthing for what some English woman thought of him. Inflation was due to the gas prices. Lead was extracted for our health. Would you prefer Americans pay for his center or the Saudis? 180 billion dollars was peanuts to pay for peace between Egypt and Israel. You would complain if they were still involved in hostilities due to lack of payments. Take a walk with your personal vendetta against Jimmy Carter. He was President of the United States. What is your claim to fame?

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:05 AM:Alexandra Cloney: Hope you really like it when Obama walks across the Potomac to take the oath of office. Then you'll be saying that the American people will elect anybody their President. You will be right. George W.Bush was elected twice.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:10 AM:I wonder what America-hate the Husseiniacs have planned for the weekend. Since Hussein didnt know whatMemorial Day was, I assume he has no idea what July 4th commemorates, just like 90% of his congregation. Since Hussein has no plan to deal with the boatload of jobs being lost and the massive inflation because of the price of oil, I assume he will lead his faithful in a few verses of Kumbaya, while 20,000 more Americans are beinn laid off as the liberals fail to allow drilling

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:14 AM:I see that the guy who shot 2 intruders in his neighbors home has been exonerated. LOL. What could be more hateful to liberals. I love it. It looks like all the murderers, perverts and intruders will have to move to California, where the law protects them, not the victims.

SupremeCourtSummary wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:16 AM:The court has recessed, and the liberals were able to protect murdering terrorists, rapists and perverts, but were unsuccessful in ripping guns away from the citizenry.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:20 AM:In the letter from Ruth Burkhart she takes great pains to provide a dictionary definition for the word "discriminate". Too bad that she conveniently forgot to list other definitions for that word such as "2: to make a difference in treatment or favor on a basis other than individual merit " from the Mirriam-Webster dictionary. She also conveniently forgot the word "against", as in "discriminate AGAINST". It is quite typical for people like her to avoid presenting known things which actually disprove their point (ala sdraoul). Regards, Alf.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:25 AM:In her letter, Julian Turner, points out something that is out of a song, sort of, (paraphrased from She got the gold mine and I got the shaft) They got the oil wells and we got the shaft. Regards, Alf.

Vista Granny wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:36 AM:Whoever wrote the bit to Max Hogan, thank you. Well said!! Jimmy Carter was far more qualified to be President than was George W. Bush!! And. speaking about unqualified -- what about the diefied actor? You know -- Ronald Reagan!

Oh Please wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:44 AM:Bill[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:57 AM: Do we have to keep going over the fact that Iraq did not attack the United States of America. Al Queda was and is in Afghanistan.

What wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:49 AM:Bill[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 4:57 AM: Love his children. Tell that to the parents of 4100 dead Americans killed in the wrong war for oil. President Bush is not protecting this nation or its children.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:01 AM:The news is reporting that Obama wants to expand Bush's faith based programs. Would those be the same faith based programs the liberals bashed daily when Bush wanted them in operation??? Its all about pure hypocrisy on the part of liberals

To John and Suellen Shea wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:02 AM:You poor dears!!! If you really believe the San Diego Minutemen are a "multiethnic neighborhood watch group that advocates enforcement of U.S. immigration laws and securing our open borders with Mexico" you better think again. You listed some websites to visit to get "valid evidence" according to whom? Jim Gilchrist, himself the founder of the Minutemen Project is denouncing the tactics of the "spin off" groups. They maybe a neighborhood watch group but I think it is more like a neighborhood rabid dog watch group. I am glad that groups like the Latino Caucus, Anti-Defamation League and the Southern Poverty Law Center are closely monitoring their activities, someone has to protect the community. The Shea's ask "Whose interests is the Latino caucus serving?" If it were not for the atrocities being done against the Latino community we would have no need for these types of groups. Let me ask whose interest the NAACP serves? You see my friends when a group of people is being oppressed, and treated with racism someone has to rise to the occasion and I am glad the Latino Caucus has.

Surfer wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:04 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 7:10 AM: Dude, you know what they say about assumptions? George is still President. What was or is his plan? See ya!

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 AM:>>>And. speaking about unqualified -- what about the diefied actor? You know -- Ronald Reagan!>>>> Reagan did more for America in 10 minutes that Hussein has done in his puny lifr

Olaf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:12 AM:Now I have to write and say that people must be going crazy. Vista Granny and others are hailing Jimmy Carter???? Really??? and bagging on Reagan? WOW you guys have (as we all thought) selective and revisionist memories. Carter (and possibly Obama) was the worst prez ever. Period. You can try and claim otherwise but you are only delusional. Double digit inflation, gas soaring (and not for the speculative reasons today), hostages, failed diplomacy, etc...... what policies or legislation did he work on? Oh that's right putting speedometors in cars that only went to 80. WOW !!!

CaroCogitatus wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:13 AM:Uh, Bill (4:57 AM), did you miss the part about how Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, Saddam didn't have WMD's, and our bloody and brutal occupation of Iraq is fueling Islamic extremism? You know how outraged you are about the thought of Islamofascists attacking America? That's how many Iraqis probably feel about us attacking them. Even Bush admitted a couple years ago that Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.
Try to keep up with the news.

CaroCogitatus wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 AM:Lest my previous comment be misinterpreted, I fully supported operations in Afghanistan. In fact, I supported it more than Bush did, since he took special forces OUT of Afghanistan to support the invasion of Iraq. Where is OBL? Oh, that's right, President Bush "is just not that concerned with him".

Oh Bill wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:18 AM:It's strange that for you there only seem to be two choices: all out war or turn the other cheek. I may be wrong, but I can imagine other choices. For example, when a similar act was perpetrated by Timothy McVeigh, we neither turned the other cheek nor went to war against Idaho. But not only that, we DID go to war against al qaeda and the Taliban, and few opposed this for exactly the reason you mentioned: we'd been attacked. How about the invasion of Iraq? Had nothing to do with anything. No excuse for it. Immoral. Shameful. Probably criminal.

To Old Marilyn Muntz wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:30 AM:In her letter she says "we are doing a disservice to them" What a stupid comment! That mindset is over used, abused, self-serving, and ridiculous. Good try but really not valid.

OBSERVATION wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:35 AM:Rhapsody Ends Restrictions, Cornering Itunes

Oh Please wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:41 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:09 AM:Obama is not President yet. Regan was not even awake for ten minutes during his two terms.

Oh Olaf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:47 AM:As a liberal, I don't particularly hail Jimmy Carter, but I sure do bag on Reagan, the international criminal, the man who supported and armed terrorist groups in Central America. But the most amazing thing about your post is that you are calling Obama possibly one of the worst Presidents. Um, Olaf: Obama hasn't been elected yet. Gosh, I always despised Bush, but I don't think even I called him the worst President until he had at least DONE some things in office to earn that title. Well, I guess it's a preview of what the Obama Presidency is in for. I just hope that Obama doesn't send as many American kids to pointless deaths as W has. Otherwise, call him anything you wish.

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:48 AM:OLAF: "On December 10, 2002, the Norwegian Nobel Committee awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for 2002 to Mr. Carter "for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development."

Nick wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:48 AM:The letter from "To John and Suellen Shea" cracks me up. The poster states that "If it were not for the atrocities being done against the Latino community"...LOL. Atrocities yeah right! You make it sound like genocide is being committed or lynchings.
The only atrocities I see are the violence, murders, robberies and assaults being committed on AN ENORMOUS scales by MEMBERS of these Latino Communities.
Just take a look at the San Diego Sheriff or L.A. County Sheriff's websites and look at the most wanted criminals. Wow, 98% are Hispanic. Go figure! Take a look at California's most wanted criminals website. Wow, yet again, 98% Hispanic.
Please tell me about all the great contributions to our once fine cities that the Latino communities give, I would love to see the list.
Let's see, run down neighborhoods that resemble slums with multiple families living in them. Parents that let their children roam freely at night to spray graffiti and hang with gang bangers.
Parents that allow their kids to join gangs and hang with gang bangers.
It sounds like they're making great contributions.
I sure am glad organizations like the Congressional Latino Caucus are here to protect these great contributors to our society...

To To Marilyn Muntz wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 AM:To Marilyn Muntz who wrote wrote on Jul 1, 2008 5:34 AM. I agree completely with your comments made to Marilyn Muntz and the Shea's. You made very good and valid points. Thank you.

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 AM:OLAF: "On the domestic side, the administration's achievements included a comprehensive energy program conducted by a new Department of Energy; deregulation in energy, transportation, communications, and finance; major educational programs under a new Department of Education; and major environmental protection legislation, including the Alaska National Interest Lands Conservation Act."

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 AM:Well, "SupremeCourtSummary" at 7:16AM, if you ever do something wrong or are ever accused of doing anything wrong or are ever whisked off in the middle of the night because someone said that you knew someone who knew someone who might possibly be associated with someone suspected of being in a "terrorist organization", I DEMAND that you renounce every Constitutional right you have, immediately, for you are now an "un-person"! You seem to belong to the "guilty until proven innocent" crowd who might get around to charging you with something after holding you for 5 or 10 years and torturing you when and how they want while making sure that you have no recourse, no rights, no help, no hope, no nothing. Things like that don't happen to REAL Americans, do they? How do you know they don't? Remember, all evidence of any wrongdoing against an American Citizen by the government cannot be divulged because it is all classified for "national security". Regards, Alf.

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:50 AM:OLAF: "Jimmy Carter served as President from January 20, 1977 to January 20, 1981. Significant foreign policy accomplishments of his administration included the Panama Canal treaties, the Camp David Accords, the treaty of peace between Egypt and Israel, the SALT II treaty with the Soviet Union, and the establishment of U.S. diplomatic relations with the People's Republic of China."

The mavericks man wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:52 AM:John McCain's senior advisor is Charlie Black. From the NY Times QUOTE Since 1998, the lobbying firm headed until recently by Charlie Black, one of Mr. McCain’s closest confidants, has earned more than $1.8 million representing the Occidental Petroleum Corporation, the leading foreign producer of gas and oil in Colombia. The lobbying firm, BKSH & Associates, has also represented Colombian textile and apparel manufacturers and a former foreign minister and presidential candidate who is also a prominent businesswoman.
According to official filings, Mr. Black, who resigned as chairman of BKSH in March, lobbied Congress, the State Department and the White House on Occidental’s behalf regarding “general energy issues” and “general trade issues” involving Colombia. His list of activities also included winning “foreign assistance for Colombia” and efforts to block an economic embargo against the country, which has a questionable human rights record. ENDQUOTE Black was also a lobbyist for Ahmed Chalabi, the guy who sold the Iraq war to Bush's neocons. A fine record, and a fine man to have the ear of McCain, who says, "Stay the course".

Apollo wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:53 AM:Re: Bill (4:57 a.m.)
Bill responds to the letter from Bill Wernett that says war is reserved for when we are attacked by invoking 9/11.
Bill (the blogger) needs to have at least one more cuppa joe before engaging the keyboard.
Invoking 9/11 covers Afghanistan, which every single Democratic senator supported, and only one House member opposed, who was promptly booted from office at the next election.
In contrast, Democrats were widely split on Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 and, more important as regards 9/11, undermined our efforts to get Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban by diverting critical resources away from the real war against terrorist to fight Bush's war of choice for the oil fields of Iraq.

I see several other bloggers have already made a similar observation and kudos to them, but I already wrote this before reading the other bloggs and I'm gonna post it in solidarity with the others.

Nick wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:59 AM:The poster, "To John and Suellen Shea" brings up the subject of the Congressional Latino Caucus.
I will take it a step further and throw in the Congressional Black Caucus.
Here you have 2 RACE BASED groups in Congress who are constantly crying racism, when in fact THEIR VERY EXISTENCE is racist !
How in the world can you have a race based organization and cry racism by others?
Take a look at The Black Miss America Pagent or Black Entertainment Television (BET). Nothing racist about that right?
Let's change the word Black to White.
The White Miss America Pagent and White Entertainment Television.
Whoa....hold the horses. Those last 2 sure sound racist....lol. If we had those last 2, people would be up in arms screaming racism, but it seems to be just fine when it's done by blacks.
Oh, the ugly, politically correct, double standard we seem to be O.K. with in this Country these days.
The last time I checked, The Miss America Pagent was open to woman from all Countries and nationalities, yet for some reason blacks found the need to be exclusive.
It's high time to give the politically correctness and race exclusive non-sense a rest. It is definately not bringing all the races together.
Cheers, Nick.

BigLove wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:17 AM:The letter from Richard Boonstra again invokes the specter of polygamy in addressing the issue of same-sex marriage.
I guess this means they can't actually find anything wrong with same-sex marriage, so they gotta do the ol' bait and switch and argue a whole 'nuther issue instead.

Jimmy wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:22 AM:You're right, Focal Point at 8:50 a.m., but you forgot what is probably Carter's greatest achievement - after our nation struggled under the economic malaise of having Nixon's appointee Arthur Burns running the Fed through most of his administration, Carter appointed Fed Chair Paul Volcker during his last year of office.
Volcker, of course, brought inflation and currency policy under control and restored economic sanity. Unfortunately, most of this occurred during Reagan's first term and Ronnie unjustly got most of the credit.
A longer-lasting legacy is that a conservative finance guy named Alan Greenspan was taking note and, after being appointed by Reagan to replace Volcker when his term expired, Greenspan shocked conservatives by continuing many of Volckers' successful policies, which impressed Clinton so much he even kept him on!

Patriot wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:24 AM:The post at 8:02AM did not list some of the atrocities committed against people here illegally: denied driver's licenses, denied college grants, denied employment, denied voting rights, and worst of all, denied amnesty.

To Hey Minutemen wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:33 AM:Hey Minutemen wrote on Jun 30, 2008 9:05 PM: You are right these kids are being raised in our own backyards. This is an indictment on us as a society. We have forgotten what community means. We have forgotten that we have give of our time, resources and yes our money to improve the life of those around us. If we want safer and better neighborhoods than we need to step up to the plate and be a part of the solution, not just whine about the problem.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:53 AM:Well, "Nick" at 8:59AM, **EXTREME SARCASM BORDERING ON SARDONICISM ALERT** The United States of America is no longer about bringing people and races together in a "melting pot". In order to truly be an American one must be a hyphenated-American with the non-American part FIRST, thereby showing where one's TRUE allegiance stands and one must eschew taking on the customs of this land in favor of keeping the "old country" alive. **END ALERT**. BTW, I brought up the Black Entertainment Television vs White Entertainment Television example of double-standards and two-facedness several months ago, thanks for bringing it up again, it needs to be brought up now and again. Regards, Alf.

to Nick wrote on Jul 1, 2008 9:55 AM:Racism is not simply about separate races, it's about the belief that one race is superior to another. It's about one race oppressing or holding power over another. That's how the Black Caucus can be restricted to African-Americans but not be racist. And how they can, accurately or not, cry "racism". There was never a need for a "White Miss America" or a "White Entertainment Television" because for most of the history of the pageant and tv, they WERE white without needing to say so. It was just assumed. That's how power works. Same with "Black History Month". No need for a "White History Month" since until very recently, the ONLY history in the books was White History. No one had to say that it was White History because history was white history. Comprende?

BILL wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:12 AM:nick: soooooooo true, it just seems as though "caucasians" will forever pay for what our forefathers did in the distant past, as horrid as i feel it all was i feel blamed for it still and i had nothing to do with it. you know,i'm irish and my ancestors weren't treated very well either,as they got off the ships from ireland in n.y. they were forced to join the army and fight the civil war. it's a shame that was over 2 centuries ago and it still impedes progress.....CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG!

Oh Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:24 AM:On Obama expanding faith-based programs: as a liberal, I disagree with Obama on this, as I did with Bush. Where's the hypocrisy? Only in your fictional "liberal" ideologue, who doesn't exist in the real world. I do not worship Obama. I do not agree with everything he proposes. I will vote for him because he has more to offer the country than McCain does, IMHO. I don't expect Obama to do anything miraculous, only to be a decent President, which would be an enormous improvement over Bush and his prodigy, John McCain. Comprende? Oh, never mind. I'll leave you to your imaginary friends and foes.

To Nick wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:26 AM:Would you be willing to explain why you think the Congressional Native American Caucus is fundamentally different than the Congressional Black Caucus and the Congressional Latino Caucus? Or are you against all three?

liberaljim wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:35 AM:Richard Boonstra's letter is a hoot. I'm old enough to remember when the state court ruled against laws prohibiting mixed race marriages. The Richard Boonstra's of that time used the same arguements against that decision that Mr. Boonstra used in his letter. The same arguements were used against desegregation, womens right to vote, and even the emancipation of slaves. I go to Canada frequently. The sky hasn't fallen there because they allow same sex marriage.

sdraoul wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:45 AM:Another professional written and delivered monumental speech by Barack Obama. So what!

Another mile wide inch deep speech by a mouther of superficial words that have no meaning, no subtsance, nothing.

Referring back to his famous speech on "racism" can anyone remember what he said? Can anyone remember any subtsantive or memorable sentence he uttered yesterday other thana he honors John McCain's service?

Where is "Mr. Gorbachev, tear this wall down!"? Where is "the content of one's character?" Where is "we have nothing to fear but fear itself?" Where is "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country?" Where is his "Rumsfeld must go!"? Where is his "The whole world will hear you!"?

Obama can't utter anythign memorable because he isn't memorable to intelligent people. Intelligent peopel don't "faint" during his speeches only girls do and he can't win with fainting girls. He must carry suburban white women and he doesn't stand a chance. He must carry Roman Catholics and he can't do that. He must get more Hispanic votes than John Kerry did and he can't do that.

Lee Hamilton, former Democratic congressman and Obama supporter, NAFTA cannot be reopened, it would be too difficult. Obama states he wants to reopen MAFTA and if Canada or Mexico don't agree he would withdraw from it.

Obama is against the Colombian and South Korean trade agreements and oppsoed the central American Free Trade Agreement.

No one in their right mind who knows that one in five American jobs, well paid jobs in fact, are foreign trade based is against these agreements. Reopen NAFTA and we lose millions of jobs that currently pay 50% more than average pay.

We have nothing to fear but stupidity.

We are not electing Chief Social Worker and community organizer and union shop foreman, we are electing the President, the Commander-in-Chief, the chief diplomat and guarantor that the Straits of Hormuz will stay open to one third of all petroleum used in the westerna and eastern worlds.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 10:47 AM:>>>Significant foreign policy accomplishments of his administration included the Panama Canal treaties,>>> Yea great accomplishment, do you thing the Chinese submarines at either end of the canal are offloading bannanas??

Surfer wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:00 AM:Alf[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 8:49 AM: Dude, right again. That is why I have been sitting here in GITMO for six years due to a jaywalking ticket. See ya!

RobertM wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:29 AM:The Miss America pagent is not open to women from all countries and all nationalities. It is open to women from the United States, one from each state, one from DC, and one from Puerto Rico. Their ancestry is irrelevant.

Jason wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:31 AM:The world's largest solar power plant in our desert producing clean energy? If only there were some way to transfer the electricty from the desert to the city.

esteban wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:32 AM:See ya Gwen...although you are leaving a notoriously liberal news rag. YOu might be sorry. Unless you are gonna subscribe to the Daily Kos.

esteban wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:36 AM:Alf at 8:49am...you're a little paranoid. The only people that have to worry about the gov't are people who are doing wrong. You and I don't need to worry about that kind of stuff...or do you? The gov't isn't listening to your deviled egg phone conversations, they aren't going through your cabinets or confiscating your grand piano...they're just trying to keep you safe from a guy in a turban who wants you dead. I say, tap their phones, break open their doors, lock em up, and torture them for info!!! Oh and tighten up those borders too!!!

Concerned One wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:37 AM:Ronald Hicks' letter today got me thinking. With all the hoopla about global warming and gas prices, which we seem to "A" not agree on, and "B" not be able to do anything about, Mr. Hicks has a good solution: drive slower. You can whine about the cost of gas and the CO2 effect on the environment until you're blue in the face, but it won't do one damn bit of good. Here's a thought: drive less, drive slower, conserve gas by not accelerating so fast. Drive smoothly anticipating hills and when making passes. I could go on and on, but you get the point. It's all on us. Make it work. I am. Regards, C-1.

Right ON Johm and Suellen Shea wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:40 AM:I love watching left wing loons further expose their anti American hatred. The Latino Caucus does serve ONLY Latinos, especially if they are illegal Latinos!! They fight the US Constitution and American's rights every step of the way. Many achieved their positions via fraudlent votes by those same illegals. They march to the tune of the Mexican government who demands the US taxpayer support, educate and employ ALL their ignorant impoverished because Mexico sure WON'T do it!!! Another brilliant expose' by patriotic Americans!! Demand Voter ID's in CA and other border states, as AZ is doing, and watch the Latino Caucus disappear!!

dead Iraqis wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:42 AM:I beg to differ with Ron. How anyone in their right mind can sit at their keyboard and proclaim that Iraq and Afghanistan are much nicer places since the U.S. military swept in and bombed, killed and destroyed their 2 countries is beyond me. The situations for the last 5 years in those countries have been unbelievably destructive and deadly. This is what happens when a first world military attacks nations with no air forces or $500 billion yearly military budgets. Now that we pay more money to the Iraqis and Afghans to fight their own people, some people think the wars are just fine and dandy. Especially those people at Exxon-Mobil, BP, Chevron, Royal Dutch Shell etc.

Bill Too wrote on Jul 1, 2008 11:57 AM:(Not to be confused with Bill One – or Bill) – Once again the bloggers give me extremely valid reasons why we need to change our system of choosing candidates and voting. What choices do we really have in our elections? We get two choices – Bad and Worse. Anyone voting for anyone else is just deluding themselves that their “protest vote” makes any difference – except in cases where it enables the “Worst” choice to win. The political parties laugh themselves silly at the people who have the honesty to effectively say “I do not like either of the other two.”

What we really need to do is eliminate the requirement for VOTERS to register by a political party. Let them vote on everyone running for that political office. As I remember, the voters DID vote on that once and it passed overwhelmingly - until the California Supreme Court ruled that it violated the civil rights of the Political Parties (Our countries biggest Unions). What about the civil rights of the PEOPLE?

Next – we need to put a “None of the above” box on the ballot. If “None of the above” gets the most votes then we just do not put ANYONE in that office for the next term. I’m sure we would find out very quickly that we do not need as many politicians as we have. It might even convince those already in office to start listening to the voters instead of whoever lines their pockets.

I rather favor the Mexican method of term limits – one six year term. Their thinking is that if the politicians cannot steal enough in that six years they do not deserve more time.

I also favor the Chinese system of justice. The Businessman who was convicted of taking $800,000 (beer money for our politicians) for allowing contaminated food to be exported was executed shortly after the trial. Drug dealers are escorted out of the court room after conviction and executed with a bullet in the back of the head immediately after the trial. No long drawn out appeals for them.

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:14 PM:Polygamy, too, may some day be acceptable
Doubtful that the state would permit it.
Polygamy or multiple marriages are not in the interest of society, the state or property. Therefore, it was outlawed. It was not outlawed for the sake of religious scruples or laws.

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:15 PM:Whose interests is the Latino caucus serving. What was the first name of the person who answered the phone and hung up on you?

Concerned One wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:17 PM:Oh oh, wipe out! What happened to all the posts? Must of spun out.

Chuckle wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:19 PM:Like the drunk that turns to AA to get off the sauce, the drug addict that goes to rehab to get off the drugs, and the convict that turns to Religion as remorse for a life of crime, the American people will turn to an inexperienced young blach man as a radical way to redeem themselves for the poor choices they made in the last two elections, and to escape the pain that has become unbearable.

To NCT wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:33 PM:What, no coverage of the drunk driving tragedy in Rialto? It seems every newspaper in the state ran this story except you.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:41 PM:Well, "Concerned One" at 12:17PM, to state the obvious, either they will show up or they won't. I think that they'll magically appear around 9PM, when their timeliness is completely shot to heck and gone. Regards, Alf.

Surfer wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:44 PM:Chuckle[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:19 PM:
Dude, the votes have not yet been cast. We just might turn to an old experienced white man who has flipped more than flap jacks and will give us more of the same. See ya!

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 12:54 PM:Well, "esteban" at 11:36AM, yeah, right. Your post is straight out of a bad cops and robbers movie from 50 years ago - pre-Miranda. Tell that to Brandon Mayfield, an Oregon attorney who was wrongly arrested.
His case finally saw the light of day and "U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken of Portland said he was subjected to surveillance under a 2001 law that flouted the constitutional requirement of a search warrant.
"Since the adoption of the Bill of Rights in 1791, the government has been prohibited from gathering evidence for use in a prosecution against an American citizen in a courtroom unless the government could prove the existence of probable cause that a crime has been committed," Aiken said."(from an AP article 9/26/2007). There are others, many of whom we may never know about because they are held in places like Guantanamo. Your rosy glasses need to come off so that you can see the abuses of power that are right under your nose. Remember, it could happen to you. Regards, Alf.

Concerned One wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:08 PM:The swell of posts is coming on. I went back and read yesterday's and as much as I disagree with Raoul most of the time, people were sure hard on him. Ease up out there. As far as the letters today, there were a couple dillies including the Sheas. The truth is there is a lot of resentment out there for all this political correctness and government support of racist groups such as La Raza, el Groupo, the Black Caucus, Latino Caucus, etc. It really is a bunch of crap, but if you speak up you're a racist. Actually, we are probably all a little racist. It's a natural thing. Deal with it. Hang loose Surfer and friends; I'm back to the grind. Regards, C-1.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:13 PM:Well, "To NCT" at 12:33PM, it is interesting and disturbing that a story of drunk driver in Rialto who kills a little girl and injures 3 other mambers of her family gets covered by the San Francisco Chronicle but not the North County Times. Regards, Alf.

So what wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:26 PM:I am a racist and the most politically uncorrect person you ever meet, so what? Don't like it, sue me or shut up. Just be prepared for a very large counter lawsuit, dealing with oh I don't know, 1st Amendment rights?

Ms M wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:28 PM:Concerned One
[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:08 PM: ....racist groups such as La Raza, el Groupo, the Black Caucus, Latino Caucus, etc....Since our society is NOT a color blind society such groups are needed. It's not like white folks who are in charge look out for the welfare of minorities or better yet are all inclusive regardless of race. DUH!

Olaf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:30 PM:Where all these Carter fans sitting in their cars back in the 70's when everyone was waiting in the gas lines??? how about waiting for when the hostages would come home? Peace prize hmmm, who else has won that adorable door stop? Let me see I know there are some famous guys who have won it? gosh the names evade me, any terrorists? The way Carter was hugging terrorist these days I think one has won the prize. So get all riled up you Carter fanatics, all three of you.

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:34 PM:I'll let you be the judge, a flip or a flop?

"Reaching out to religious voters, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama called for expanding President Bush's program steering federal social service dollars to religious groups." NCTimes.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:39 PM:>>>American people will turn to an inexperienced young blach man as a radical way to redeem themselves for the poor choices they made in the last two elections, and to escape the pain that has become unbearable>>>> LOL, thats laughable. He has no track record and a questionable background. If people vote for them, it will only because he offers you irresistable freebee;s and promises of higher taxes on your evil capitalistic employer, in his Marxist march.

Long time wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:40 PM:North County resident, where is Rialto?

Marine wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:43 PM:For those who were complaining about the military training conducted aboard Camp Pendleton and wanting to know when your sleep is going to be interrupted, there is a resource you can look to for this type of information. It is located at http://www.pendleton.usmc.mil/ then click on the link to the left titled NOISE ADVISORY.

Have a great Marine Corps day!

Ron wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:54 PM:Split or otherwise, they voted to go to war "Apollo" @8:53 AM.
Now you can dress it up anyway you like, but the bottom line is: They voted.

I'm always amazed by these folks, you know.. "Well, half of em got it right."
We are there, we are in, and we are winning. Heck, in 3 more months, Barack Obama will be saying he would have voted for the thing, at the rate he's going.

Carter wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:02 PM:You mean Groovy, Outta Sight, Carter? Mr. bell bottoms his self, swilling down his brother's Billy's Beer? Is that the Carter you all talkin bout? I watch him every Monday on the Laugh-In show after I have a few hits. That Dan and Rowen just make my gut hurt!

Go McBush wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:16 PM:I for one, want the next 4 years to be like the last seven and a half...If you're with me America, Vote McBush! If you're against God, Home, Mom, America and Apple Pie, then go ahead and vote for that other guy!

Ms M wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:22 PM:Ron
[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:34 PM: The following is an excerpt from Salon: Thankfully, this AP feed was wrong, it's being corrected, and Barack Obama has not completely lost his mind. I obtained a copy of the speech Obama is going to deliver today, and he specifically outlines a faith-based agenda that in no way resembles Bush's approach. In fact, it's largely the opposite.

Alf wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:25 PM:Well, "Long time" at 1:40PM, Rialto is between Rancho Cucamonga and San Bernardino, south of Devore. Devore is where the 15 and 215 join back together and is where the Renaissance Pleasure Faire used to be before it moved to Irwindale. I hope that helps instead of confuses. Regards, Alf.

Eyes Wide Shut Ms M wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:28 PM:Ms M
[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:28 PM:"..It's not like white folks who are in charge..." Are in charge! Good One! Are you kidding, have you looked around lately?

Focal Point wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:31 PM:Olaf[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:30 PM: I was in gas lines. Loved it. Met my wife and most happy ever sence. Hostages! What about em? Carter tried a rescue and it failed in the desert. Hostages then separated into different groups at various locations. Yes, Carter and went and spoke with the terrorists in Gaza. Strange, A cease fire has followed. Who would have known. Quite frankly, who cares if you get riled up, Olaf?

Concerned One To The Rescue wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:35 PM:Concerned One
[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:08 PM: "I disagree with Raoul most of the time, people were sure hard on him. Ease up out there." Wow, Where were you when Pianolady was getting "gang-beat" the other day by just about all the regulars? Although she did hold her own, I was impressed!

Barb wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:45 PM:In response to Julia Godinez -- Right on! Some of us fought that crooked deal [all the way to the US Supreme Court] but most others just sat back and asked "how can they do that to us"?

Surfer wrote on Jul 1, 2008 2:50 PM:Chuck[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:39 PM: Dude, I can already hear the "Internationale." See Ya.

So Scared wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM:So what[-] wrote on Jul 1, 2008 1:26 PM: Don't you love this pretend tough guys.
They act so juvenile and combative. Do you want us to sue you. Just say some hate speech and we'll sue. Sure will like your house.

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:03 PM:The news reports Starbucks to Close Up to 600 Stores, Cut 12,000 Jobs. As the Husseiniacs continue to say no to drilling. The Husseiniacs and the rest the rest of the liberals dont care about your job or runaway inflation. We saw what their interests were just last week--They want to protect the mudering terrorists and protect the raping perverts. Your job and this inflation is of no importance to them

Chuck wrote on Jul 1, 2008 3:07 PM:>>>a story of drunk driver in Rial