oside mom wrote on Jul 15, 2008 11:49 PM:Yea!! What took Carlsbad so long??

Sick of bans and taxes wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:14 AM:Instead of smoking bans and increasing taxes on smokes year after year how about just banning the sales of cigarettes altogether. Oh no wait that wouldn't work, That would take millions of dollars a year out of the pockets of the goverment. wouldn't want to lose all that revenue from something so dangerous to one's health that kills thousands of people a year.

jvc wrote on Jul 16, 2008 5:10 AM:This is absurd! Why do we continue to
fool-around with this stuff?Smoking
kills!The greatest entertainer of all time died from this stuff,Dean Martin,
and daily deaths are attibutable to it!
And the cost for medical care for the smoker is staggering!

It is a start wrote on Jul 16, 2008 5:52 AM:but we need to do more, with mankind and his pets using the beaches more and more methane gas is being released. Close all beaches and help save Mother Earth.

C-bad believer wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:21 AM:Finally! i've picked up thousands of cigarette butts along our beautiful beach and lagoon areas over the years so it's great to see our city get aboard with the rest of the coastal movement.

okie wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:35 AM:Great job NCT!!! Show an 18 year old smoking a cigarette....

Olaf wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:45 AM:The last city to ban ciggie's???? what took so long? Oh that's right it is the last city of no government intrusion. Well finally the citizens pushed long enough and it only took every other city to do it first. Nice move C-Bad. Next time try being the first to think of your citizens over the few who don't care about themselves. Who smokes these days anyway?

No one should be allowed wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:46 AM:into the ocean. Do you realize how much human waste is there? Some people treat the ocean as their own private toliet! Is it any wonder the whales beach themselves? I would too!

Back in the day wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:57 AM:I was a smoker and I ALWAYS packed out my butts, along with any others I saw around me. It's a shame that so many inconsiderate smokers just chuck 'em all over the place, ruining the reputation of those smokers who were aware of the trash they create indulging their habit.

Karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:59 AM:C-bad believer,

Thanks for picking the the rude peoples trash. Can I still eat my Big mac on the beach?

Hahaha wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:59 AM:A couple grand in new signs for things to stay the same as they were before. What a huge victory for the anti smoking croud. They have successfully wasted a bit more tax payers money. But I am sure they now have that warm and fuzzy feeling they have been looking for. And thats what is important.

To Okie wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:01 AM:Last I checked, 18 is the legal age to use tobacco products. But that is probably another freedom people like you would like to have taken away.

Karl wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:10 AM:Good point, No one should be allowed
[-] wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:46 AM:.

What about all the sun tan lotion, perspirant, cologne, perfume, hair spray, hair grease, wart remover, bandaids and all the other stuff people leave at the beach. Talk about major polution. I think the State should build a glass wall at the edge of the sand to keep everyone with all of their pollutants of the beaches. We would still be able to look at the beauty and the State could definetly make up the deficit by charging us to take a look.

Oh, and what about those dastardly surfers with their fiberglass boards, rubber wet suits, wax and bodily functions? They have to be the number one beach polluter. I say ban them all to save our beaches.

I will wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:20 AM:Continue to smoke my unfiltered cig's on your beach, I leave no butts to pick up (unfiltered) and Air is free... Deal with it

Osider wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:27 AM:Yeah, now lets see it get enforced. NOT! CPD isn't going to do anything...

Wiccan wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:45 AM:I was raised to pack out what I pack in, meaning I always take my trash with me. That being said, I was appalled to read the children were able to retrieve thousands of butts in an hour so I can see, as usual, how some people can ruin it for the rest of us. That being said, I bought a 10-ft blow-up pool this summer and plan to stay home where I can do what I want.

SAY NO TO OFFSHORE DRILLING

Excellent wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:48 AM:Glad to see it. The photo of the young man with the wise look on his face from Fresno taking a drag on a cigarette speaks volumes. We all know where that cigarette is going to go when the photographer leaves. Right into the sand, like all the rest. Good ash tray, right? Right! I say, put another dollar per pack tax on cigarettes and stop government money going to tobacco growers at my expense. This is one of those issues that is a no brainer.

Note to Barbara H. wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 AM:You wrote, "In a 4-1 vote, with Councilman Mark Packard absent, ..."

How does that work? There are only five people on the City Council!

Gil wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:27 AM:Does anyone else think that it is ridiculous that low-income housing is being built on the beach?

Pete wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:32 AM:Great news. All beach area should be cigarette free. It's unfortunate, but there are just so many inconsiderate smokers who toss their butts everywhere.

joe wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:43 AM:If the City doesn't have jurisidiction over the beach because it is the State's property who is actually going to enforce it?

PJ to Gil wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:04 AM:I, too, think low-income housing on the beach is ridiculous but considering the PC mindset in this country and the current trend that home ownership is a "right" instead of a privelage obtained by those who have put forth the extra effort to do things the correct way (i.e. get an education, choose an emotionally healthy marital partner, get good jobs, and save money like crazy and don't participate in risky behaviors), I'm not surprised. All I know is, I'd LIKE a home in Rancho Santa Fe but accept the fact that isn't going to happen because I haven't earned it. What a concept! We get what we work for!!! A Rancho
Santa Fe home is not something I am owed!!!

At least they havent wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:28 AM:said you can't smoke pot on the beach.

actually wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:38 AM:To: “At least they haven’t banned pot smoking on the beach”

Actually they have… the ordinance reads: “It is unlawful for any person to smoke, including emitting or exhaling the fumes of the any pipe, cigar, cigarette or any other lighted smoking equipment used for burning any tobacco product, WEED or plant.”

And before I get a ton of bloggers saying that marijuana is healthier then tobacco here are some FACTS:

Marijuana can cause lung CANCER

Marijuana smoke contains 50-70% MORE cancer causing components than cigarette smoke

Smoking marijuana causes the same RESPIRATORY PROBLEMS as cigarettes: cough and phlegm, higher risk of lung infections, chest illness, and obstructed airways

Remember people any kind of smoke in your lungs is a BAD thing, that’s why firemen wear masks!

I dont smoke but wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:41 AM:I don't see how the city thinks they can impose this law. We are talking about an outdoor, public place. What's next, no food or drinks?

James wrote on Jul 16, 2008 11:50 AM:It's amazing the amount of effort people go into banning something like this, yet nobody tells a fat person to put down that 4th cheeseburger that they just had... (In which half our beaches are lined with plastic and paper debris from the overuse of our economic status) Our morals are all screwed up.

Almost Vegan Goddess wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:12 PM:I for one am sick of the litter of cigarettes. If people choose to smoke, fine. But don't leave your butts on the beach, streets, parks, etc. Oh and don't toss them out of the car window either.

Cracks me up wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:23 PM:They don't have the people to enforce littering laws and public drunkeness laws. Yet they have the people to look out for and issue citations for both. Another example of nannies wanting power because they think they know best.

To Actually wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:26 PM:Is it against the law to inhale cancer causing auto emissions?

safe mom wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:43 PM:So glad to see this...for those who question the ban on public smoking as infringement on one's rights...please understand that exercising a right is fine and dandy unless, in doing so, you are directly infringing on someone else’s rights…for instance, engaging in tobacco usage directly and negatively affects those around you…including humans, canines and sea life….so whose rights should prevail?? Congratulations to Carlsbad…and to those who live, work, and play in the area!

Only One Cheeseburger wrote on Jul 16, 2008 12:58 PM:James: the last time I checked, a cheeseburger didn't emit second-hand smoke. Maybe that's why that's why the "amazing amount of effort" went into the smoking ban but not an excess calorie ban...

Seen The Light wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:14 PM:Oh, so now I see what went wrong with Prohibition. Prohibition banned all alcohol. Clearly, it didn't work. The trick is to make it completely legal to own alcohol, cigarettes, drugs, etc -- JUST ILLEGAL TO EVER USE THEM!

ROBERT wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:17 PM:OH MY NOW THE LIFEGUARDS WILL THINK THEY ARE THE POLICE THEY ALREADY THINK THEY ARE LEAVE ME ALONE LIFEGUARDS AND LET ME SMOKE MY CIGS I DARE YOU TO GIVE ME A TICKET ILL TEAR IT UP IN FRONT OF YOUR FACE LIFEGUARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tobacco Executive... wrote on Jul 16, 2008 1:42 PM:Hello folks, I'm an executive for a major tobacco company. I know people like me have gotten a lot of bad press in the recent years but I think there are some issues you need to consider before rushing to judgement.

Did you know that more people die each year from diet-related ailments than from tobacco-related ailments? Yes, its true folks---food kills! At least some of it might, over time, given the right predispositions. Are you going to stop eating food? Nonsense. Are you, yes you the reader, going to change your eating habits because of what I have just told you? Most likely not. So you've made a choice. That's good.

That's good because choice is what America is all about. You are free to eat almost anything you wish EVEN IF it may be bad for you. Shouldn't tobacco users have the same choice, after all it is what America is all about isn't it?

Some people want to enjoy the rich tobacco flavor, found in the products my companies produce, on the beautiful carlsbad beaches. In fact each and every one of our cigarettes are 100% biodegradable. The Carlsbad City Council knew that before they voted because I sent them a certified letter containing our research into the cigarette butt biodegradability issue.

You see this ban isn't about cigarette butts or clean beaches; its about limiting choice. And that's anti-american because America is all about choice. I urge you to stand up to these anti-american movements and fight for the right of all americans to choose. To choose who to vote for, what political party to vote for, what music to listen to, and yes where to smoke your cigarettes.

Concerned One wrote on Jul 16, 2008 2:07 PM:Please, second hand smoke? Another fake PC fallacy. Butts on the beach are bad, but don't give me this healthy air crap. I'm surprised some of you can survive at all. Regards, C-1.

How about having wrote on Jul 16, 2008 2:19 PM:breath auto emissions, this should be stopped first! C'mon all of you greenies, answer the question, should we save the planet and stop everyone from driving a car or are you guys just full of hot air adding to the global warming?

Is it OK wrote on Jul 16, 2008 2:56 PM:to pass gas on the beach. Maybe the nannies will be running around, smelling,ah checking for that!

Dude wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:09 PM:This would have really ticked me off a year ago, but now that I've quit (not that hard to do) I'm all for it.

How about wrote on Jul 16, 2008 3:55 PM:banning filter cigarettes, the filter is all that remains, instead of using the trash argument to take yet another privilege away. Yes, I think choosing to smoke is a personal privilege and no I don't smoke.

Sick of bans and taxes wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:02 PM:When was the first study done that gave conclusive evidence that smoking is very hazardous to ones health? back in the 70's. Yet the only thing done was to take ads off television (which was done by the tabacco company themselves) and put a little warning on the side of the pack and maybe removed the machines that didn't ask how old you are. And oh government tax after tax after tax, ect. Should have put an end to it long ago. Maybe made a law (they're very good at that) that states anyone born the day after they found out (some thirty plus years ago) it kills you is banned from smoking. Problem would pretty much have solved itself by now. But I guess it would infringe on your freedom of rights. Like smoking outdoors. Or in your own house cause it's to close to a park in some cases. But folks as long as the government is getting their cut people will keep smoking (In their plastic lined airtight basement with a hepa filter system) and people will keep dying. I think there's one real ban needed. The sale of cigarettes !
O-yeah, I'm in my mid 50's and was told I've got about a year to live. Lung cancer. Thought it was cool to smoke. Nothing cool about this.
Just had to vent, thanks for being there LOL.

Resident wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:12 PM:Carlsbad doesn't have any city beaches, says wise old sage Mayor Buddy, they are all state or private, thus we have no city lifeguards to protect us from drowning, yet, wise old sage Bud and the other council members think they can tell us that we can't smoke on a state or private beach. How is that?

It is either a state beach under state control, a private beach under private control or a city beach under city control.

Does anyone else see a lawsuit here?

To Is it Ok wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:13 PM:Yes you may pass gas but not within 60 yards of the fire circles.

Stress wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:38 PM:is said to be the number one killer of Americans. Why is it that not one city has banned crying babies in public? That seems to cause many people a lot of stress!!

question wrote on Jul 16, 2008 4:59 PM:To Dude-how did you quit?

jvc wrote on Jul 16, 2008 5:30 PM:Dude....WE ARE PROUD OF YOU...you are in control now!

jvc wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:27 PM:Butts on the beach ? This is good!

Guy wrote on Jul 16, 2008 7:28 PM:and there is all that dog poop.....worse than the ciggies, I say!!! FINE THOSE RUDE DOG OWNERS WHO DON'T SCOOP!!!!

JSten wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:01 PM:As a non smoker, I cant have a whole lot of sympathy for those who feel entitled to drop their cigarette butts on the ground or throw them from their car. We have heard about all those who claim to pack their trash out, but really, most smokers font to that if they think they can get away from it.

Also I am realistic enough to believe that most smokers will just ignore the ban anyway, just like they will continue to throw their buts out of their care window. Its easier to blame others for the fires.

Nick wrote on Jul 16, 2008 8:59 PM:I blame all the folks who weren't born and raised here.
Now just imagine how nice it would be without all the newbies that want to tell us how to live.
Go home!!!!!!!!!!!

hemet soon wrote on Jul 16, 2008 9:12 PM:to all you "health" nuts- smoking isn't what's turning your sky brown and the ocean less clean.

hope you get off on your little power trip.

Put some more trash cans on the beach and maybe people will use them.

Pam wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:18 PM:I feel that the next step should be to ban smoking while one is driving. I have seen many on the road, just throwing their ciggerettes out of the window. I have also seen people try to light up their ciggerette while they are driving, which is just as bad as talking on the cell phone because they are looking all over for their matches to light up or take their hands off the steering wheel so they can light up. Then I think that ciggerettes should be banned in apartment complexes. I live in a small complex and we are the only family that doesn't smoke, while the owner won't allow anyone to smoke inside the apartment, these people go outside to smoke and if I have the window's open, during a hot summer day or to let fresh air in the apartment, instead I just get the second hand smoke that just finds its way inside my apartment making it smell.

Erika wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:22 PM:How about banning screaming crying brats in Walmart, talk about headaches and these parents that just let their kids express themselves in public places, which isn't fair for the rest of us. These kids need disipline

Surfer Joe wrote on Jul 16, 2008 10:23 PM:Hope the guy in the picture didn't go swimming after his unsightly smoke, I'm sure his lung capacity is a bit diminished by smoking.

Well hemet soon wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:27 AM:Let's not forget good lids for those trash cans. Too many people think others litter when it's the seagulls that scavenge through the trash and dtrew it all over. I'm not kidding. I'm sure others have noticed or seen those #@*^&% birds tossing trash everywhere.

Hey Nick wrote on Jul 17, 2008 5:50 AM:I'm not sure you'd be capable of doing this, but I'm sure someone would. Try going back in time to when one of your relatives first moved here and keep that from happening. You wouldn't be here...dude!

Too Bad wrote on Jul 17, 2008 6:58 AM:Can't do this, can't do that. Bye bye tourist dollars, I am staying home.

Well Off Local wrote on Jul 17, 2008 7:48 AM:Tourist dollars, we don't need no stinking tourist dollars.

To Well Off Local wrote on Jul 17, 2008 8:51 AM:Well bully for you! As long as you are Well Off, you don't have to give a minute's thought to those who depend on tourist dollars then, do you?

Nick wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:01 AM:Sorry "Hey Nick", my folks have been here for a veryyyy long time.
Being the worthless half-breed I am, my Native Ancestors were here before the Spanish and Eurotrash arrived, and my Scotch/Irish Ancestors arrived in San Diego a little over 120 years ago.
Is that far enough back in time for you?
Did I hurt your feelings or something? Are you one of the newbies I was talking about?

ChiefZollsaid wrote on Jul 17, 2008 9:23 AM:This is a "self-enforcing" law, which means nothing will be done.

Smoke away, you idiots who continue to smoke!!

jvc wrote on Jul 18, 2008 10:34 AM:Lung cancer blogger.. I do not think you realize how your lone blog and testimony here has affected so many lives! For many who smoke, you will be a haunting reminder of the dangers of
smoking and for many who do not smoke ,your testimony will remind us of the humanity and courage of someone like yourself! God bless you!

TO JAMES wrote on Jul 20, 2008 10:20 AM:Your comment was hilarious and so true!!! I am still laughin!!!!