Dehesa Charter wrote on Jul 30, 2008 8:51 PM:River Springs, Dehesa, Julian, why would any of them want to take on this pandora's box?

Pandora wrote on Jul 30, 2008 9:29 PM:Maybe because it is an amazing program with dedicated parents and teachers who were blown away by the actions of our former administrators.

Please stop the TIP bashing, turn your attention to the future and try and stay positive.

If you are not planning on enrolling your child in this new venture, then it really is none of your concern.

TIP teachers deserve jobs wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:00 PM:If this is the only way to save their jobs, then so be it.

Pandora wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:26 PM:Maybe because they'd want a school that has API score >900 and similar ranking of 10, in it first year of operation.

Maybe because they feel bad for the parents, students and teachers that were so badly taken advantage of by the two despicable administrators that have caused the school's downfall.

Maybe because someone outside of Encinitas has a heart, cares, and can recognize a good thing when it sees one.

Just a few possibilities??

Keep Your Hands Off wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:37 PM:Until the Charter is revoked I would think that any of TIP's assets (chairs, tables) are TIP's to dispose of as they see fit. They don't belong to the District ... yet. TIP could sell them to raise $$ for the appeal.

Why are you all still interested wrote on Jul 30, 2008 10:50 PM:Why does TIP interest all of you so much? Because we are so mesmerizing. I don't think any other elementary school has received this much attention ever.

Ms. Henry...you continue to get facts wrong. I'm not sure why, when you don't seem to have anything else to write about. Your source isn't that good. A true journalist truly reports about both sides of the story. Never once have you really understood the value of our school regarding it's teachers and students. You really missed the "real" story...You've missed it every time.

to pandora wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:06 PM:or may be it takes one to know one! All those charters that were mentioned have had history of fiscal mismanagement. good luck and may the force be with you. let's see your 900 plus API in your new charter school!

MP wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:20 PM:As an OK parent that saw our donated items to be shared and abused by TIP, I'm glad the district is planning to retain their properties which were obtained through public funds. Now, we just have to wait and see until Tuesday.

Regarding a TIP Home School wrote on Jul 30, 2008 11:41 PM:No thank you, I've had enough already

Pandora wrote on Jul 31, 2008 12:22 AM:Yeah maybe they just don't care how the school is run by the administration or where the money ends up. Time to be done with TIP in its current form. Good luck to any school district that takes this on.

concerned mom wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:30 AM:to Pandora:

It's easy to score high on the API when you can pick and choose who you have in your school. The school's 2007 API is based on 72 students taking the test, 80% of them who are white. What TIP is is an elitist school and uses our our tax dollars to do so.

http://api.cde.ca.gov/AcntRpt2008/
2007BaseSch.aspx?allcds=37680800112326

give ocean knoll back their school wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:38 AM:I am tired of all of this. We have fine schools in Encinitas. This is all a result of some parents believing (wrongfully) that their kids are better than the rest of our "non-gifted" kids. ...It is also fairly obvious that this is being kept alive by the teachers who unfortunately believed the same story and more unfortunately may all be out of jobs soon.

We want our money back wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:40 AM:TIP may be able to salvage a 9th life with any charter that is dumb enough to take over payments, but it will be the same issue for the rest of us tax payers, MONEY! This new school will still be a free private school for the select few paid for by money that should be going back into the EUSD schools. Now, once again, our money will follow these elitists out of our neighborhood schools and yet again into another free private school experience for a small group of kids. That is why people are so concerned about TIP, we want our money back!

To keep your hands off wrote on Jul 31, 2008 7:47 AM:If you sell that property, please use the money to pay the teachers who did not get paychecks this week because the new TIP board spent all the money with their lawyer trying to hang on to the ...

EUSD Parent Volunteer of the Year wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:55 AM:So let me get this straight,
I donated roughly two thousand dollars to TIP for facilities related items last year and now EUSD is laying claim to those items? Considering that I have donated roughly 5 times that amount to EUSD over the last few years, that's enough. I'm done.
EUSD will get my property taxes but they will never see another monetary donation or minute of my time.
And what really bugs me is that, despite all my efforts to be a good parent and supportive citizen, EUSD couldn't care less. I have been a fool, thinking that that I made a difference.

To Concerned Mom Ocean Knoll wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:02 AM:So as a parent of a bullied child, by removing my child from the fine EUSD school that did absolutely nothing to remedy the situation, I'm an elitist?

I guess my only other solution is to pay my taxes to EUSD, get nothing in return and then dig deeper to pay for private school.

Thanks for nothing

Its Not Your Property wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:27 AM:Our family donated over $8,000 to TIP for computers etc. and EUSD will get the items that we and many, many other families DONATED to TIP? You can have back what is rightfully yours but to steal the items from our children that we donated is a different story. There must be something fair and equitable you can work out with the parents and teachers... so that the original purpose of those DONATIONS can still benefit the kids and teachers they were given to...

EUSD this will be your chance to do something that puts the innocent kids and teachers first.

I still don't understand why there is so much anger from EUSD and other parents against a school that was doing well despite it flaws. If you had ever been on our campus you would have seen classrooms full of energy and excited learners. You wouldn't be wondering where the money was going. It was going to educate children.

I pray that the community will soften their hearts and understand that we are just like any other family, with the goal to have their children do well and love school. We just wanted to try a different option and knew our kids would do well in the TIP environment.

Tis better to say nothing... wrote on Jul 31, 2008 9:46 AM:...and let people simply think you an idiot than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Some of you are absolutely ridiculous with your lies about the school and how it was run and the reasons people wanted to attend. You sound like sniveling malcontents who missed out on an opportunity when they had it and never got over it or themselves. Making up lies is not a way to make your case.

TIP was most likely mismanaged in some respects, but it was black-balled by the district and Lord King from the beginning. He, himself, made that clear at the first "discussion" meeting he held with TIP parents and staff. He NEVER for this school and he made that clear every step of the way. Now he's busy trying to screw the city as well.

So whine all you want about the parents and their motivation for starting and attending a charter school in the "elite" EUSD, but they have the right to do so and they should be congratulated for their attempts to advocate for their children. You whiners could learn a thing or two from these people.

To the woman who donated to the school, I'm with you. This has turned into simply another method of sticking it to the school and to those who supported it.

Some facts wrote on Jul 31, 2008 10:09 AM:TIP is not just for the gifted, actually I believe it is only 30% GATE.

The rest of us have our kids there because they have a need for differentiated instruction.

TIP has a larger Asian population and Middle Eastern population than OK, as well as a larger African American population.

Any one can apply to a charter school, how can TIP help who applies and who does not.

To Its Not Your Property wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:53 AM:Well, our family donated thousands of dollars to TIP, too. We are going back to our EUSD school and I'm glad that EUSD owns the property. Don't forget that there are many of us going back to EUSD and we donated, too!

Crazy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM:Who in their right mind would follow the Hazelton's/Bishop to this school?

High scores have very little to do with the teachers/school. They exist because parents provide their children with great opportunities, encourage education and push them to read at home and do well in school. No duh Captian Ovious, that a school full of very involved parents have good test scores. Those same chidren will score roughly the same where ever go. They are smart kids with parents who push academics.

Handing over your hard earned money to the Hazelton's who couldn't find their way out of a card board box, however, is just stupid!

Good luck though, it would be nice to get these PITA parents out of here!

BTW, where is Kaplan in all of this?

Captian Ovious wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:22 PM:Crazy... A prominent figure of your imagination possibly?

To Crazy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 1:58 PM:Just to let you know.... It doesn't say anywhere in the article that the Hazy's are starting this. Believe me, they left the school with this mess, dumped the teachers, parents, and students like a bad habit. They wouldn't dare show up and start another CHARTER school! You will probably have to pay for their unsound business practices somewhere else. Well, as a now former TIP parent, I am ready and willing to follow the teachers into something new and exciting!

Eve wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:08 PM:EUSD parents have been donating equipment and money to our schools for years, all over the district --not just TIP parents. I never heard of anyone wanting their gifts back when they leave. These items are given for all the children's use, not just our own.

Can you imagine what a nightmare it would be for everyone to collect donated books, playground equipment, etc. when their kids leave?

To Why are you all still interested wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:30 PM:Your narcissistic logic--concern about TIP means you are "mesmerizing"-- never considers that TIP has hurt our community and we want to know if you plan to continue to wreak havoc with more misconduct.

Because the reporter doesn't print what you want her to she isn't "getting the real story." Did it occur to you that as a journalist, she might know how to report news, not opinion?

Laughing at Eve wrote on Jul 31, 2008 2:40 PM:You have missed the entire point!

curious wrote on Jul 31, 2008 3:59 PM:I didn't get the email about the new school options. Can anyone enlighten me? I may be interested.

still confused wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:04 PM:I have read these blogs over the past few months. I am sick of people thinking that everyone at TIP is racist or wanting a private school education for their child. My son has been identified GATE, but he is your typical GATE child: quirky, distracted, mad-professor-type. He does not fit into the typical public school. He hates endless worksheets and teachers who see things as black or white. He gets teased by the other boys, because they don't "get" him. My hearts has been broken over and over as I watch him try to fit in. Yes, I agree, he needs to learn to fit in, and that time will come in his life, but I put him in TIP to see if there would be a community there more accepting of his personality. Honestly, the first year, it was a dream come true, but last year, the teasers were back and his teacher did not really differentiate the curriculum. So, he will be attending our local public school, and once again, I'll hold my breath, try to help him fit in socially, and hope that all goes well for him. Please don't generalize all TIP parents!

To To Why are you still interested wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:17 PM:Explain to me exactly how we have hurt your community. This is our community too. We have payed property taxes for over 20 years in Encinitas, on more than one property... Before we had children and now that we have children. We will continue to be an active part of this community for many years.

EUSD would have had to spend $$ on my children if they were enrolled at TIP or an EUSD school. We caused you pain because our children were getting a great education? The havoc was caused by a couple people at TIP... Havoc for the TIP teachers, children and parents, not the whole community. Dr. King and the EUSD Board chose to go about things in a manner that caused a huge divide among people who all want the same for their children.

EUSD has had bad principals too and no one says they had the power to wreak havoc on an entire community. You get rid of the principal not the kids and teachers.

Has it caused you pain because you have had to sit at a computer and blog? Get back to issues that actually apply to you and your own family, please try to have some understanding of the situation. We would all do better if we respected each other's opinions and let the anger go.

To To Crazy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:26 PM:I was referring to the letter they sent out regarding the openning of West Coast Academy. A private school run by the Hazelton's/Bishop. Glad to hear you want nothing to do with it. I can't imagine giving them a dime!

To Curios wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:50 PM:seriously?

Hey crazy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 4:57 PM:The Hazeltons have a new venture, google edstratagies

To Hey Crazy wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:05 PM:Hey, it looks like the Hazy's new venture offers consulting services in the area of Ensuring State, Local And School Board Compliance. Now schools can all be rest assured that they will be in compliance.

Give away wrote on Jul 31, 2008 6:39 PM:Maybe the Arts Attack DVD's and curriculum can go to a EUSD school that doesn't have it or one that is working with tapes-like CAPRI!

to its not your property wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:09 PM:Excuse me but your $8,000 donation paid for most of the administrative salaries. did you ever look at their financial for last year when they were in red for $28K where PTA had a balance of $16K? It means they spent your money and beyond! Now who took the money? EUSD or the wizards?
EUSD donated $2.2 million over two years to theis charter now you whine over $8K?

Who could it be wrote on Jul 31, 2008 8:13 PM:Why is TIP trying to keep this school such a big secret? Why does Cordelia not want the press to know about this effort? Is it because the school they are merging with might be afraid of getting bad press from taking on such a "white" school? After all, the charters that are the likely suspects have all started from churches and have received criticism for being too "white" since their inception.

to concerned mom wrote on Jul 31, 2008 11:01 PM:WOW!Have you stepped back and read your own blog?
First, TIP has always "picked" the students by lottery (which was video recorded to ensure fairness), not by race or intelligence. Based on your statement because my child is white and was going to TIP they are smart & an elitest. WOW!
Take a deep breathe and cool-off.

To Give Away wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:10 AM:Please stop bagging on TIPsters.
Just call Arts Attacks and they replace the tapes with DVD's for free. Duh!

Some facts wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:28 AM:The following numbers represent the % of Asain; Hispanic and White (not Hispanic) students at the respective schools, taken from the 06-07 school accountability report cards (available on EUSD and TIPs web sites):
PEC (2;30;64)
OK (1;56;42)
Capri (4;33;61)
ECC (7;4;87)
OPE (6;3;90)
TIP (9;12;79)
To call TIP "racist" is a stretch.
Their "White" poulation seems to lie in the mid range of the other District schools, exactly as you would expect. TIP may be a many, many things, but ractist would not be one of them.
I have heard accusations of TIP parents running to TIP for "white flight". (An awful phrase; sorry for even using it). Many TIP students came from ECC, OPE and similar schools, so from the numbers here you can see that one just isn't true.
Please find a different (accurate) logic to find fault with TIP, like our awful administrators - that one I wouldn't argue.

To who could it be wrote on Aug 1, 2008 5:58 AM:Why TIP is keeping this a secret? When was TIP ever transparent? Cordelia is only a pawn. The H's and the company are still running the show in the background and their board still claim that they are independent!
Maybe the new charter is in the same boat that TIP is! It takes one to know one as you know!

To some facts wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:44 AM:No one said "racists". Even your numbers posted confirm a majority of "white" kids at TIP. It may be close in make up to other schools, like OPE, but the problem for an adopting charter is the same. They will face the same negative backlash if they took over OPE. The county charter school who is looking at TIP has been under fire for being too "white" themselves. Taking on another "white" school just makes that problem even worse for them. It is not a fault with TIP, it is a risk for the adopting charter.

To Still Confused wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:29 AM:Welcome back to EUSD. I hope your son experiences a better environment this year. Please work cooperatively with your child's teacher. Many teachers do not use endless worksheets for children that have mastered the concepts. In Math, acceleration is an option.

As a parent of a "mad professor" child who did well at an EUSD public school, I hope your child finds a few close friends. IMHO, this is much more important than trying to "fit in" with all of the kids. Again, many EUSD teachers are caring and do a wonderful job to help students.

Go into this change with a positive attitude and I'm confident that your child will have a great year. :)

TIP is not mid range in race wrote on Aug 1, 2008 8:33 AM:To Some Facts: Those stats are from 06-07 TIP's first year when their enrollment was 72 (or less, depending on when the survey was done). That means there were AT MOST 5 or 6 Asian kids and 8 Hispanics. And, the CA Dept of Ed lists TIP's white enrollment that year as 82%, not 79%.

But even if you use these old figures, TIP only trails ECC and OPE in % white population. That's 3RD OUT OF 10 HARDLY IN THE "MID-RANGE". That's because you left out four schools:
Flora Vista: (10;8;81)
La Costa Heights: (8;12;76)
Mission Estancia (9;10;78)
Park Dale Lane (5;30;66)

We can only imagine what the accountability report card will say for 07-08's enrollment, when your numbers went up to 280.

to to concerned mom wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:08 AM:Who ran the lottery? Employees of the school or an uninterested third party? Who made sure all that applied to TIP had their names in the lottery? Employees of the school or an uninterested third party? I have yet to get an answer to that question.

To Still Confused wrote on Aug 1, 2008 9:31 AM:My heart goes out to you. I know how you're suffering because my son was bullied in school too. Don't worry about EUSD vs TIP, your choice of school won't circumvent bullying because that's a function of the parents. Bullies usually exist because parents would rather their kid be at the top of the pecking order, so they abdicate their responsibility to teach them kindness to others. I was and am a great believer in our public schools and my son had great teachers at our EUSD school. One thing I didn't allow him to do was disrespect his teachers. Even the occasional worksheet will teach him something, perhaps how to stick with a job that isn't inherently fun. I taught him to question authority, but not to act arrogant, bored, or show off. Now he attends a top ivy league college and is confident, socially happy. About those early years, he has told me they made him stronger and "toughened him up" so now he can deal with difficult people with ease. I would have preferred he didn't have to learn it so young, but...

Academic development and social development are two different worlds. EUSD will take care of the first; the second is between him and your neighbors children, and whether or not your neighbors have taught them about human kindness. Best of luck to your son next year.

From Crazy wrote on Aug 1, 2008 12:30 PM:Regarding edstrategies.....you have got to be kidding me!!!!!!! Why isn't their name attached to this web site? Could it be becasue they have changed the spelling from HAZELTON to MUD?

To to to concerned mom wrote on Aug 1, 2008 1:43 PM:You sound like someone who needs to step out into the light. Some of you might be untrustworthy, but it isn't fair or beneficial to assume that all are like you, no matter how hard it might be for you to even conceive of that.

The show is over wrote on Aug 1, 2008 5:57 PM:The EUSD agenda posted tonight confirms it, TIP is history. Stated clearly in the resolution, due to all of the illegal actions, TIP can't remain open during an appeal, even if they had the money to appeal.

TO TO CONCERNED MOM X wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:00 PM:Good heavens you all missed my point! CHILL OUT and put your energy into something productive. Life is far too short to be fighting on a blog about a school you never attended.

TIP Lottery wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:01 PM:The lottery protocol is on the website.

EUSD meeting wrote on Aug 1, 2008 6:20 PM:I saw their agenda. Is there any organized protest going on with us Tipsters? I haven't heard any info yet. Red shirts? Signs? Please inform us!

Pop the bubbly wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:00 PM:I just read the EUSD agenda for next week. Yahoo...it's finally over!! Anyone care to join me with a glass of champagne?

Organized Protest wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:14 PM:Protest what? Closing a school that broke the law and mismanaged public funds? Really? You should move to LA, they may need you for the next celebrity jury ala OJ, Spector, Robert Blake....

Finally wrote on Aug 1, 2008 7:16 PM:I will be celebrating with Lean and a few frinds at El Torito if anyone wants to join me.

Love thy neighbor wrote on Aug 2, 2008 12:13 AM:What type of people are you celebrating this like it is some type of game? Were you all transformed in time from Roman times. Celebrating the fact that 11 great teachers will not be able to teach and little children so sad that their school they loved is gone. My child has tears in his eyes because losing this school is like losing a pet. Enjoy your victory if you will because some day at some time in your life someone will come along and take away something you love. You will then feel the pain that I am feeling.

To Finally wrote on Aug 2, 2008 7:35 AM:Do you know how pathetic that sounds...celebrating the loss of jobs and a children's school.

Maybe you should send out a flyer inviting all EGOMANICS from local community...

Here's the guest list:
King
Demos
Ginger
Kat
Hazeltons
and if your lucky the EUSD Board...GOOD TIMES!

To Finally and Organized Protest wrote on Aug 2, 2008 8:41 AM:Are you void of empathy? Wow...all I can say is "karma!" Your lives must suck if the downfall of a school gives you a reason to celebrate.

MOVE ON wrote on Aug 2, 2008 9:33 AM:What a bunch of whiners! Really your child is in tears as if he had lost a pet? How pathetic. Why isn’t your child out enjoying summer and having a good time? Maybe because you are feeding in to this whole thing and causing the drama. Move on! I’m sure the 11 teachers you love so much are out trying to get jobs (moving on). Even the beloved Bishop has already started planning the new private school with the very successful Hazelton’s.

The teachers will get new jobs and teach children they love just as much and will have learned their lesson never to work at a charter school again. I can’t tell you how many former charter school teachers I have talked to who were so glad to leave their charter and move to a traditional school.

Empathy is one thing; yes it is traumatic for everyone involved. It is a terrible thing to see any school close and everyone feels bad about the human cost. However spending your time protesting when the fat lady has sung rather than helping your child (and yourself) make a positive transition is just ridiculous! For your own well being MOVE ON!!!!!!!

Who are you guys kidding wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:22 AM:El Torito could not possibly hold all of the tax payers of Encinitas who are thrilled that this huge financial fiasco is over! No one is happy about the teachers being out of jobs, but the TIP liability was too high. Face it, the schools here in Encinitas are great and your kids will do just fine. My kids did fine in them and are all at good colleges now. Improve your attitude about this and your kids will do the same!

FACTS wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:38 PM:To: "To Some Facts"
TIP's enrollment in the first year was NOT 72, it was 121 (which went up to ~160 after Christmas). 72 is the number of kids that took the STAR tests and does not include K and 1st graders. Please look on TIP's web site for their school accountability report card for the full school enrollment. (Just have to say however that this report is the most embarrassing document I've ever seen. TIP's 5th graders could have written better; clearly it was written by one of TIP's stellar ($95K) administrators!) According to that report card (and I can only assume TIP's admin are reporting honest/accurate numbers – who knows?) TIP's enrollment is as stated above (9%A, 12%H, 79%W), which puts it 4th out of 10 schools in terms of "white enrollment" – mid range, no?

The stats for the 07-08 year are not available, so I don't care to speculate; if you have them, please share. I wouldn't argue the school was predominantly white, but as to actual figures, I just don't know.

As to the lottery question – I think a reporter from the UT attended the one last year, and many parents attended the one in the first year. Not sure about this year. All were video taped. But I agree, with all that's come out re the TIP Admin it wouldn't surprise me if it was rigged, though if that's the case I'm surprised at the folks that were selected; it wouldn't make sense.

white flight wrote on Aug 2, 2008 1:57 PM:The lottery was comprised of a bunch of white people looking to exit their brown schools. Good luck to whatever school takes on this mess.

To Who are you guys kidding wrote on Aug 2, 2008 3:12 PM:I couldn't agree more!
Kids are much more resilient than we give them credit. How you present TIP closing to your children will determine how well they take the news. You give them drama and too much adult politics and they will probably cry. You give them support and a positive outlook and they'll more than likely mirror you.
Honestly, it concerns me that the adults are more immature than the children. Try very hard and leave your emotions out of this and move forward with a positive perspective. EVERYONE will benefit from it!

just curious wrote on Aug 2, 2008 10:05 PM:Any tipsters out there who would like to share where they will be going to school next year?

to just curious wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:16 AM:wouldn't you wanna know! it's a county charter. we are swearn for secrecy.

Larry wrote on Aug 3, 2008 9:01 PM:Thank God my kids are too dim witted to attend charter school in Encinitas. Luckily I don't have to worry about these type of politics.

money talks wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:12 AM:The EUSD is successful in causing the division among the Encinitas parents. It is all money talks here. When you have unlimited dollars for lawyers, you win. Remember the OJ Simpson case?

If the district is genuine in resolving the mismanagement at TIP, it will not refuse to meet with the new board at TIP to work out a solution in a less confrontational and expensive manner. Even our current administration feels the need to talk to Iran to avoid confrontations which benefits no one.

just a thought wrote on Aug 4, 2008 10:22 AM:May be Encinitas should have all kinds of charter school open to all district students with an independent oversight. Then parents can pick and choose what is best for their children and be happy. It takes the same amount of money to educate your kids whether they are in district schools or charter schools.

to money talk wrote on Aug 4, 2008 2:07 PM:what would talking to new board do? in teh background they are working with another charter. tell me how it would resolve anything. they are the product of teh old administration. who put elected them? did you? have they ever been honest for a moment? your old friends are opening a private school in san marcos. check it out...

jake wrote on Aug 5, 2008 8:35 PM:Anyone back from the meeting yet? What happened?

curioustoo wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:24 PM:what's the verdict?

curioustoo wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:25 PM:Any news yet?

Hello wrote on Aug 5, 2008 9:57 PM:Ms. Henry, expert reporter, get your report online so we can read it! What happened at the meeting??