something fishy wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:01 PM:Looks like ties to the Hazeltons have not been severed. Bet Cordelia counting on sweet deal from both parties.

Amazing wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:09 PM:And you still in denial that Hazeltons are completly out of picture! Where's Lisa Corr? Ms. Corr, is it the justice that you were talking about? ... Bravo EUSD board for doing what you did!

Parent wrote on Aug 6, 2008 11:25 PM:Judging by the groans in the room tonight, I do not think there are many parents who are prepared to share a playground/campus with the Hazeltons. Thatis a non-starter. Plus this was an Encinitas school, we need to find somewhere closer to meet the needs for the majority of Encinitas children

German wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:33 AM:You bet they have not been severed. Who do you think will be teaching German at The Academy NC?

To German wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:17 AM:You mean the board chair is working there?
Intersting!

Charter Hypocrisy wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:30 AM:To Parent:
Consider . . . the Encinitas Union School District . . . where the educational needs of a majority of Encinitas children are already met!

Were you there wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:41 AM:Did attendees feel like there was full disclosure? Did they have to pry key information from them, such as who they would be sharing a campus with, or was it proactively communicated? Did the TIP board mention pursuing charges against the Hazelton's or did they claim the Hazelton's did nothing wrong?

Parent wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:45 AM:Please stop the rumor about the German teacher. It is not true. There is nothing suspicious, it just turns out that, given the limited facility options, we and the H's were competing for the sam location in San Marcos. That is it. They, unfortunatly signed the lease before we did.

To German wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:48 AM:It's amazing one of our parents continues to plant false rumors. In the end, our own parents were are worst enemies!

leave us alone wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:59 AM:You forgot to mention that Sue Miller lives in Encinitas and is embarrassed with the way EUSD has treated us! Also how amazing it it that people will go to great lengths to be with the teachers that they so love! Also who is teaching German? The teachers and parents would love to add German to there curriculum. Be careful what you say because slander is not pretty, and we would like you to prove your vicious lies again. Sounds like old board members and bitter parents that could not bring us down and are very jealous! Just leave us alone, we do not LIKE you, you don't like us, so stop reading about us and making us your priority. Get over it, we have moved on without you! If can't live with us and can't live without us just shoot yourself!

To German wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:02 AM:I heard these same rumors the other day and ASKED if this were true. Guess what it is not true. Just leave the innocent people alone and stay away from us, we do not need your trouble or your rude comments.

were these trouble makers at our meeting wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:06 AM:Stop and think who is the mole, who is the double talker? Lets find out and let them know that they are not wanted. We do not need these people around us, they have done enough damage. Look around you who is scouting for information and really not interested in putting their kids in our school, look around you will figure it out!

Sounds like wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:22 AM:It sounds like sour grapes, or sauerkraut, as the case appears to be. You should look around. You will find the only double crossers sit on your board and work in your office.

we love the people on our board wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:28 AM:and we love the people in our office, but we do not love you!

Charter Hypocrisy wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:34 AM:From the tenor of these blogs, what a relief that EUSD and the citizens of Encinitas no longer have to deal with the dysfunctional people who ran TIP.

sauerkraut wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:35 AM:My family loves sauerkraut and grapes! Thank you for pointing that out!

Good riddance wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:54 AM:Sharing playground space with the Hazelton/Bishop school? Wow! More of the same! Thank goodness EUSD saw through the smoke screen. It truly is a relief that the ... (admin & parents) are now the problems of Julian and San Marcos. I think that area is a much better fit for them all.

German wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:04 AM:What's all the innuendo about teaching German?

to Charter Hypocrisy wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:14 AM:That's correct. You still have to deal with the real problem though until 2012. Good luck to you!

Isnt it wonderful wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:15 AM:We love our teachers so much that we will even share a playground with them. Sounds like people love their teachers to me!

Oside mom wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:20 AM:no matter what school they go to, the taxpayers Encinitas district will still end up paying for the kids that live in their district. That is simply the way things are funded - the school will get the funds of any out of district student for their daily attendance. Charters make their money by having less attendance, thereby reducing their personnel needs - so the administrators can get top dollar. I'm not going to argue pro or con on this, all of my kids are currently in charter schools. My point is that we all have an investment in the way these schools are run - because it is with taxpayer dollars. The TIP school was mismanaged, and that led to the loss of the charter. Hopefully the parents will find a suitable placement for their kids.

Stability wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:30 AM:Just a Mother's thoughts - stability is important to your child. Playing and going to school with your neighborhood children is good for their emotional and social development. Changing schools each year is not. I know with some parents, this could be their child's 4th or 5th elementary school if they go to San Marcos. This is not good for a child. I have a child who is GATE, she does not always fit in with everyone is the classroom, plus we moved here (into an EUSD school) when she was in 3rd grade so many friendships and bonds had already been developed. I volunteered quite a bit in and out of the classroom and I can now say she is doing well socially and academically. Just my own thoughts and experience.

Carlsbad Parent wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:33 AM:As an outsider reading these blogs about TIP for the past few months, I can only say that you can have McLean King. The EUSD website states that it's children first. Right. Mr. King is the ruler of his kingdom and none shall come forth to threaten his practices and sovereign authority. Children come sometime after that... although it's really hard to tell where.

So many people have made statements both for and against TIP academy. Like it or not, there were obviously some families in Encintas that felt that the public schools were not able to help them educate their children in a manner that is beneficial to both. Every school district probably has this problem to some degree. The difference here is that EUSD had an opportunity to do something about it and chose not to. The Hazeltons may not have been the answer, but the district really didn't care who was in charge... It didn't want TIP or any other charter school, and it made that clear this week. The district simply decided to throw the baby out with the bath water. No honest discussion required.

I wish you all well with the land swap deal that the board is working on as well. It'll be interesting to see where that goes. In Mr. King you trust. With Mr. King you must live.

Al T. wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:24 AM:(Open on kitchen, it's morning - parents and two children getting ready to go to first day of school)

Son: "But why do I have to go there? I want to be with my friends. Everyone is going to Andrew's house to skate on his sick new ramp after school.."

Parent: "Now I don't want to hear any more of that. You are talented and gifted and we have made a significant investment in time, effort and money to make sure you get the education necessary to insure that you can reach your full potential...and besides, I don't want you interacting with that Andrew or those other boys either. You have Oboe lessons immediately after lessons today so forget about riding that infernal skateboard."

Daughter: "They were making fun of him. They said it was a cult and he was going to get brainwashed."

Parent: "Now see there..that's what I mean. You are hereby forbidden to speak to them young man.."

hahaha wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:51 AM:That was so funny!

Claudia wrote on Aug 7, 2008 2:57 PM:Right on, Al T. Why don't these parents spring for private schools if they deplore the local schools (which surprisingly are rated very highly). They SHOULD think about the stability of their children and the ability for kids to form good friendships, interact easily with their peers, etc. Many highly gifted children are wonderful inside the classroom on an intellectual level but are lacking socially. Last year at TIP sounded very tumultuous. I hope the kids didn't feel all the nonsense going on.

confused wrote on Aug 7, 2008 5:04 PM:So does anybody else feel like the Hazelton's just upt and left with out a good bye or an..."I'm sorry?" no note to the parents who supported them so long. No "sorry kids" to the students who are confused by the battle that surrounded their principal (someone they thought they could trust). And lets not mention how they potentially destroyed the careers of the dedicated teachers.
Now they are going to do it again? and they're going to make more money this time. I just hope they don't affect more lives

Whining Cry babies wrote on Aug 7, 2008 5:29 PM:Some jerks couldn't handle the success of this school, so had to ruin it for everyone. To make comments about people behind your computer keyboard makes you cowards.

Grow up ! I hope TIP carries on as the great school it is. Encinitas school district could have learned a lot from TIP!

The real scenario not an invented one wrote on Aug 7, 2008 5:31 PM:Son: Please don't make me go to school. It is so boring. All we do are worksheets, and the teacher goes blah blah blah

Mother: But all the neighborhood kids go there. If it's good enough for Andrew, it's good enough for you.

Son: Please, please homeschool me. I can't stand another day in that boring place.

The son is forced to go. He does not fit in. The REAL ending to this story is not a happy one.

To Claudia wrote on Aug 7, 2008 6:55 PM:Children felt empowered, happy, and prospered throughout the year. There was never a time where staff, faculty, or administration displayed any turmoil to the students. Children and teachers always came to school happy, and loved their school more than anything. The parents, teachers, and students made that school into a loving, scholarly environment.

This is so funny wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:43 PM:Our kids are not gifted,gate or elite, they are just your happy well rounded sport minded average children! They play and interact well with their peers, and enjoy movies, Padre games and everything else that normal kids do. They do not have eyes in the middled of their foreheads and besides all of that they are cute, adored by many and they even went to Tip. They got average grades and truly loved their school.
I just had to tell them that there was no more Tip! We are not feeling very proud of our system right now, nor the people running it. I hope that that all of those who had a hand in this have a great difficult time sleeping. Please dream about each little sad face as you toss and turn for the next eternity.

Jack wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:41 PM:Regarding Pacific view....King and Jerome Stocks will in the end resign. that is my prediction

Whining was TIPs MO wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:13 PM:Ironic to call anyone a crybaby as a TIP supporter....TIP was all about whining and a sense of entitlement. EUSD has great schools; either have your kids attend them or don't. I'll come and say it to anyone's face....you TIP parents are selfish and ignorant, though undoubtedly well-intentioned for your kids...our community gains a tremendous victory by losing the charter. Public schooling is about all children, and the theories practiced at TIP are not new to the rest of the EUSD schools.....let go of the "my child's a genius routine" and get involved in the schools to affect positive change for all....and for goodness sake stop the victim mentality, the community does not share your myopic views.

Its About Time wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 PM:Thank you, thank you EUSD Trustees for your heartfelt comments to the families and teachers of TIP. The Board Lady who said, "I didn't sign up for this!" had it right when she said the Board never questioned the education the kids were getting or the love their families had for the school. It was always evident when they made their public comments to the board. However, it was never about that. It was always about laws being broken and the Hazelton's fiscal mismanegement that brought TIP to a close. She was right when she said there were no winners.

Parents of TIP kids who want to come back to your homeschools: Welcome! Parents who want their kids to move on with the Hazelton's: Buy-bye!

To Whining was TIPsMO wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:37 PM:Amen, brother....or sister! You nailed it!

alejandro wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:13 PM:CHARTER SCHOOL IN ENCINITAS OR JULIAN IS THE SAME MANO A MANO IS ONLY ABOUT TIME FOR ANOTHER CHARTER TO MAKE NEWS BUT DO NOT FEEL SAD IF YOU FROM JULIAN YOU ARE SO CLOSE TO SHARE THE PIE,CAKE OR WHEREVER.

to confused wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM:Yes, the Hazelton's have once again gotten off-the-hook.
Can you believe they've never once turned back to say "were sorry for all that has happened". Some still support them, even though the Hazeltons DON'T CARE about anyone but themselves. Do you all see now that it's never been about the good of the children, but the good of their pocketbook. Do you all remember a small group of parents speaking in opposition to the 'Hazelton Movement', to shed light on the severity of the situation?? I REALLY wish that you had all listend long ago.

Somewhere in Encinitas wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:10 AM:Son: Please don't make me go to school. It is so boring. All we do are worksheets, and the teacher goes blah blah blah

Mom: Really? ALL you do is worksheets? This morning when I was in the classroom volunteering, your teacher was explaining statistics and probability but I noticed when she asked you a question you weren't paying attention, you were talking to Andrew.

Son: She's so boring!

Mom: Hmm, even when she explained how to predict an outcome given enough trials? That seemed pretty cool to me. Can you tell me why you can't predict a single event, but can within a margin of error, a hundred events? No? It's a skill to discipline ourselves to listen well. If you don't know all the material, you need to listen and learn. Next time I want you to give the teacher the respect of listening and be prepared to answer any question she asks.

Son: Andrew called me a geek. I want to switch schools.

Mom: What if there're mean kids at a new school too? Let's figure out a way to deal with Andrew's remarks that will give your confidence to handle difficult people. Meanwhile, I'll talk to your teacher. We work together as a team.

Madeleine wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:31 AM:Regarding the comment: "Do you all remember a small group of parents speaking in opposition to the 'Hazelton Movement', to shed light on the severity of the situation?? I REALLY wish that you had all listend long ago."

NO, I don't and most of the people I know who were at TIP do not. Quite frankly no one was aware of that movement till the Notice Rememdy was issued in May. Parents were not informed of any issues whatsoever contrary to what you say and what EUSD says. WE DID NOT KNOW AND WERE NOT TOLD BY THOSE WHO KNEW! Stop blaming us. We did not bury our heads in the sand, we simply did not know and were not made aware of the situation till is was too late. We are not to blame. The H's are to blame and yes, the small group who did not share their concerns with the rest of us.

Proof that TIP People DID Know wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:56 PM:Madeleine, you say "no one was aware of that movement till the Notice Remedy was issued in May. Parents were not informed of any issues whatsoever contrary to what you say and what EUSD says. WE DID NOT KNOW AND WERE NOT TOLD BY THOSE WHO KNEW!"

If this is true, then you and everyone you knew must have been the ONLY ONES IN THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY who didn't know because THERE WAS AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER on March 22 laying out the entire situation (see NCT "Two-Year-Old Encinitas Charter School Faces Conflict") Here is a quote from that article:

"Over a period of several months last year, most of the school's volunteer board members resigned. Now, some of them and a few other people who played key roles in the school's establishment are saying publicly that school administrators have lost their focus.

" 'Unfortunately, a great school is only as strong as its administration,' said Ginger Relyea, the former leader of the school's parent/teacher organization and its fundraising foundation.

"Relyea and others say that the school's principal, Deborah Hazelton, should not have demanded that the board hire her husband, Michael, last year as the school's director of operations and development.

"They don't like the way he's running the school and object to his $95,000 salary."

This article appeared 2 MONTHS BEFORE the Notice To Remedy. And, there were 380 reader's comments. People INDEED knew, and many denied the Hazelton's culpability, minimized the severity of the misdeeds, and attacked the whistleblowers.

TIP Parent wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:54 PM:You also forgot to mention the town hall meeting that was held May 2007 to discuss this. There were several parents in attendance at that meeting.

Stop tormenting your children wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:40 PM:Dear God we are talking about elementary school here! Are some of you parents really going uproot your child again and drive them to Julian to attend school? You have so many more years to torment them and stress them out. How about letting them develop roots in their neighborhood school. Mastering Four Square at recess is just as important at this age at learning the multiplication table. You children are multidimensional. Their social emotional side is just as important as their intellectual side if you want a well-adjusted adult. Leave them alone and let them be young and you parents get a life!

Madeleine wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:06 PM:Hard to believe I know, but if you did not read the North County Times Article and went to the school, a lot of parents, of which I was one, did not know. I know that I am being honest and know my friends are too. The parents that knew must have been a select few, because they did not share that knowledge with the rest of us. I heard later, when the Notice was issued, that there was an annonymous packet sent to the Board and PAC in March but since I was not one of those parents, I did not hear about it at the school.

see the big picture wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:10 PM:Don't you all get it? Several of you suggest a hint of understanding but no one seems to see the big picture. TIP's failure was not about the Hazelton's or breaking laws or mismanagement of funds. It was much more simple. EUSD hated the idea of anyone challenging their reputation by petitioning to operate a charter. The remarkable success of TIP was even a greater threat to King and the Board. EUSD siezed the opportunity to initiate closure at the first opportunity. This would have happened with or without the Hazeltons. Otherwise, why close the school once the Hazelton were gone and the charter school board was 100% replaced? Too little, too late -- oh come on.

Enroll in Classical Academy wrote on Aug 8, 2008 11:09 PM:There is a solution to your problem-just enroll in Classical Academy. They have everything you are looking for. The GATE children thrive there! 10 years of stability and high API scores!

question for see the big pictures wrote on Aug 9, 2008 7:43 AM:What remarkable success? Please give me a break. Your school was COMPLETELY mismanaged and broke the law. End of story.

to see the big picture wrote on Aug 9, 2008 9:17 AM:Sounds to me like someone is sittin on the d-side of the d-river in Egypt (d-Nile) sippin on d-koolaid.

Answer wrote on Aug 9, 2008 2:57 PM:I wish "see the big picture" had clarified that comment as "remarkable ACADEMIC success," as I am sure that's what they meant. Even the EUSD board stated at the revocation meeting that they did not argue with TIP's academic performance (which many at TIP would argue should have carried more--or, should I say, at least SOME--weight with the board members in making their decision).

To Madeleine wrote on Aug 10, 2008 10:52 AM:This is precisely part of the problem. Many parents don't and didn't get involved with their own children's school. Everyone is welcome to the board meetings. I find it extremely difficult to believe that you and your friends didn't know or get wind of ANYTHING wrong with TIP until it was too late. There were signs on the fence when you dropped-off and picked-up your kids plus people writing "if you don't like it, leave it" on their cars!
Just curious, what if you did know 'in time'...what would you have done? Most denied any wrong doing by the Hazelton's.

It is a great leap from. . . wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:58 AM:. . . "EUSD did not argue with the quality of instruction at TIP" to calling that a "remarkable academic success". There has been no evidence of remarkable success, and just asserting it still doesn't make it so.

Those who cant leap obviously cant hear either wrote on Aug 11, 2008 1:22 PM:The remarkable stories of academic success are all those individual stories of children who had been falling through the cracks at other schools who began to blossom and become enthusiastic about learning at TIP that you have not stopped to listen to, that countless parents got up and told the community about at EUSD board meeting after board meeting, that obviously fell on deaf ears then and continue to do so now. I am deeply saddened that no one listened, but I for one am tired of beating my head against a deaf, brick wall.

Deaf and Deafer wrote on Aug 11, 2008 3:27 PM:People did indeed hear the anecdotal evidence. And I don't doubt entire roomsful of TIP parents sincerely believe their child had remarkable academic success. (I also think sometimes passion allows people to ignore what doesn't support their purpose and amplify what does.) But to accuse EUSD of feeling "threatened" by opinions (not even proven data) of 2% of all district parents is just absurd. THIS argument (by The Big Picture above and many others), that EUSD didn't shut down TIP for fiscal mismanagement, violations of laws, etc. or for costing the district more per student to educate a small fraction during a budget downturn, no, it shut TIP down because it "felt threatened by the remarkable success" of TIP is what we're debating here. TIP's demonstrated inability and reticence to stop serious misdeeds until forced into it, and the risk of that recurring is too great a gamble for the district to make with $1.7 million of our schoolchildren's funding. Deafness to THIS point seems to have effected some people, too.