For the love of God wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:32 PM:I am so sick of hearing about all this silliness. It really is embarrassing. Please, NCT, just report back once a final decision is made.

Good for them wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:46 PM:Good for this group. I'm glad someone is watching out for the people. Where do I sign up to help them?

Sad but expected wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:26 PM:Krammer and Mackin never wanted a beach hotel, I've known that for years. This is what all the bending and compromising has gotten us another appeal more delays and no project. These two and there phony group should be sued and made to pay for all the staff and legal expenses that the city will now incur. I'm an Oceanside taxpayer and I'm outraged that we are held hostage by two nobody's.

Good wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:38 PM:I'm glad someome is going to address the parking issues downtown. These projects must provide their own parking, not rely on taking away and using public parking spaces. Thank you Krammer & Mackin. It's really a shame that Baker doesn't understand the parking requirements and Coasatl rule for downtown. She didn't resolve this during all this time so once again the hotel must stall. She needs to go ...and go far away to an area in which she has some job experience. So for Jack and Kern to say its the fault of these two brave community members is wrongly placed. Look at your highly UNDERQUALIFIED staff in Redevelopment. Look at their job credentials and experience, not other things. You'd fire them in a New York minute if you had any intelligence in the matter.

Osider wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:04 PM:If anybody needs to be driven out of town, it should be Feller and Kern. All they have done is sell out to the developers and they really dont listen to the citizens of Oceanside along with Mayor Wood.

Good News wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:16 PM:This is good news..

Kay wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:35 PM:We have been had... They imposed their restrictions, height/bulk etc. and then at the last minute, they object anyway.

kp wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:39 PM:What about the majority of us that want a destination resort hotel? Staff and S.D. Malkin have prepared a quality project. It is time for the community to come together and protest this appeal.

Laura wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:39 PM:Thank you group of beach preservationists! I appreciate you keeping an eye on the parking in this area. We tried to go to the beach and could not find anywhere to park!

beachie girl wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:41 PM:oooou...what nasty comments from these two men. Uck. Why would they say things like this in the paper?

Good News wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:41 PM:I agree with Good News!

Jacke wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:51 PM:Good. maybe I'll keep my oceanview instead of looking at a 7 story building.

Question wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:56 PM:Wasn't the parking addressed in the EIR? If it was, this a frivolous appeal at best. This sound more like obstruction than any thing else.

terrible wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:10 PM:Why in the world do these woman want to continue to hurt oceanside. They are nothing but trouble makers. If it were not for the new development and the new downtown area this town would be the biggest embarrasement in Southern California. They should be run out of town on the rail. Let's get people here who care about cleaning up the blight in this town. Or maybe we should just give to the homeless and the gangs that would make a lot of people around here happy who want no change. I'll bet they don't even live near downtown.

Town held hostage by people wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:18 PM:Once again a few people hold the whole town hostage. We have been through this process before. The coastal commission has approved the project after several redesigns. To put in an apeal the last day with the same points from last year is either vindictive or just plain obstruction. I think this group should be sued and forced to pay all the additional legal costs. Shari Mackin will do anything to keep her name in the paper. You lost, get over it. By the way the new project includes a parking facility.

Held hostage wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:22 PM:Jacke,

It is not your view. It is everybodies. A great project like this will allow more people to enjoy the area, not less. I am tired of the old cronies in Oceanside who think the beach is all theirs and nobody elses.

George wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:26 PM:This is a beach town- and parking is critical to protect our beach economy. I am glad someone is paying attention to this.

tired of obstructionists wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:28 PM:terrible,

These two women are against everything the council is for. They can't understand that they were voted out because they do not reflect the majority of the peoples desires. They have already cost the city millions. They don't care about oceanside, all they care about is getting in the councils way.

What do they want wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:34 PM:I would like to know what the two ladies would like see put in. Do thet want another motel 6, fast food chain, and some payday loan stores? Or better yet leave it a run down fenced off lot with decaying graffiti ridden houses.

To Enviro-viruses wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:38 PM:You Environmental hippy dippy weirdos need to pack it up and head for the hills somewhere.

You clowns have nothing better to do than create panic where no panic is do.

Let me tell you since I have been alive I have survived:

*The next Ice age
*The 70's
*Acid Rain
*The hole in the Ozone
*The Clinton administration [And]
*The Bush administration
*And now Global warming

And I'm doing pretty darn good after all that.

So, I will take my chances on a Hotel and some oil drilling off the coast.

In the meantime, you freaks need to go live in some commune in the woods somewhere and stop bothering us normal people with your paranoid minds.

Peace out

jan wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:49 PM:these two are just a royal pain. no matter what, there will NEVER be enough parking at the beach because every year more and more people find their way to southern california. travel to other beach towns up and down the coast and even on the east coast and parking will always be an issue. these women think they are protecting oceanside but they are just making it harder for people to do business in oceanside. we will have a thriving downtown and still have room for people to go to the beach. i would personally love to escort these two women out of town on a rail. carolyn has changed her mind repeatedly about this project. she should be off the RAC and off any other committees regarding the downtown. she how many parks and beaches we have without developers bringing in the dollars. the city would have no money to maintain the beautiful parks that this city has. there is nothing wrong with good developement. look what the timeshare has done for downtown and some of the great new restaurants that have opened and will be opening in the near future. these two make me sick.

I agree wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 PM:Get Feller, Chavez, Kern, Mcvey and Baker out of town; they are just developer friendly, incompetent people.

So Much For the Sanchez Deal wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:09 PM:Wasn't this the deal that Esther Sanchez was so proud of calling her negotiate compromise? 7 stories and the relocation of the Top Gun House; everyone is on board, so what's the big deal. We are only a guitar player and two bus loads of seniors away for a Holiday Inn Express on this site. What a waste of time for all who deal with Sanchez and her cronies.

You agree with what wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM:What is wrong with being developer friendly? How can you call them incompetant when you look at all the great things going on downtown. Have you been down there lately? There are families and friend enjoying the area. I hate to break it to you but it is an economic development directors job to create development. Once again the same old Oceanside crowd wants to keep the beach all to themselves under the guise of enviornmental concerns.

BFD wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:18 PM:So what! It looks like Kern's Manchester was derailed by the same people.

LOWERY-WON wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:09 AM:The Dark Side "KFC" has been ruling Oceanside for long enough.This is the time to strike the Evil Empire. Get your Light Sabers ready. Boo-ba Feller must go to another Galaxy far far away. The Dark Lord Chavez must be carbonized at the polls. "May The Force Be With You".

bj wrote on Aug 8, 2008 12:59 AM:VOYE them out. OSIDE os crowded enough. DOWNTOWN has become residential... NO more BLDGS. Downtown.

lifelong resident and surfer wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:10 AM:Mackin and Krammer are a joke. Talk to anybody who has lived here their entire life. The redevelopment of downtown has made a huge difference! This hotel will make it even better. Parking? Is it any better in Carlsbad or any other coastal city? NO.

developer wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:06 AM:lets just pave over the ocean and park there

Money Pit wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:13 AM:This should have been on the ballet. When you use taxpayers money to finance a private for profit company the voters should decide. The council has forgot they serve the voters not their own personal self interests. Taxpayers money down the drain.

Cant park wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:04 AM:I'm with Laura. Trying to park in this area is ridiculous. Sounds like the park and beach people tried to get this parking business resolved before it came to this. If that's what it takes to insure that the parking is squared away, so be it.

Jan too wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:07 AM:Business will die downtown without the ability to PARK. Good for these two.

Burt wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:08 AM:Jan sounds like he is from Riverside like Kern.

moron majority wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:32 AM:Did Jack Feller really say " should be driven out of town"? Makes sense this
moral Republican thinks just like George W ,on the spur of the moment. Now Jack is going back to his puritanical roots when someone disagrees ,you claim they are witches and burn them and the stake. Or like the Spanish Inquisiton Days when someone spoke their mind and it was in disagreement with the POPE you could expect to be tortured and killed. Jack is out of whack. If anyone should be driven out of town it should be Jack. We would tar and feather him but there is not enough tar until KFC okays the asphalt plant. Shari and Carolynn don't let these morons bully you.

Pirate wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:54 AM:In some cases new information = new opinion. Parking is important, get your head out of the sand jan and get informed.

Marylynn wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:58 AM:Of course the redevelopment of downtown has made big difference, when I was young, I couldn't go downtown with my friends. But, that having been said, just because it is getting "better" doesn't mean we have to give in to loosing parking. Now that it is getting better, I want to be able to get there without having to pay for a hotel room. Good for these two ladies - this will be a better development because of them. Thank you parks people.

Einstein wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:17 AM:Whay the hell do we need any more resorts anyway? There are plenty of newly constructed hotels. And,....what attractions do we really have to offer?
"come to Oceanside so your family can get harrassed by drunk Marines!" or how bout': "Oceanside.....feeel what it's like to get stabbed!" All of these idiotic council people, wannabe environmental crusaders need to pull their heads out of their you know what and think about bringing in the San Diego Natural History Museum or something else worth having.......not more crap hotels!

Mackin and Krammer wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:19 AM:Get out of town you want to ruin the beach area with your negative attitude. Finally it looks like we will have some nice things in town including city marks little Itlaly concept and you want to ruin it again. I guess you are proud of the way the town looks with parking lots all over. If you want to help try to get a nice 4 story parking garage. Why spread the cars all over on valuable property.

There was a vote wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:25 AM:Money pit,

There was a vote and the people voted FOR the hotel. This same group fought it and lost. Also Mackin and Sanchez agreed with this design. Why is Mackin fighting it now. They are the ones who are incompetant.

Parking Garage wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:27 AM:There is a lot of room on the south side of the river north of north coast village off the old road to the bridge make that parking. Also with the underground parking in these new projects and a new parking garage we will have more parking than we do now. Mackin and Krammer stop causing trouble and be part of a possitive solution or leave this town and go cause problems somewhere else. Bye the way if this fails I think the people of oc should sue you. We are an older couple and have been waiting years for this town to clean up. NOW IS THE TIME WHILE WE STILL ALIVE TO SEE IT HAPPEN.

long time resident wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:38 AM:Oceanside looks the best it has looked in 20 years. Only because of the nice development that has happened in the last ten years. If it were not for the development it would still have old tanks on lots above the beach and tatoo parlors and girly shops all over town. It was a disgrace. It was know as the slumb of so cal. It is finally starting to look nicer. We still need to clean up coast highway get rid of the used car dealers and the trashy building but we are slowly getting there. Mackin and Krammer leave us alone.

WhatDoTheyWant wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:55 AM:I am NO fan of conjoined bozos Kern and Feller, but what in the wide wide world of sports DO Mackin and Krammer want? Oceanside's downtown was an absolute pit until some (insert shudder here) DEVELOPERS invested in a couple of quality projects. Now, a developer has presented a quality project (which, by the way, Mackin was in favor of during her brief stint on the council), and these two conjoined bozas oppose it. This town is second-rate, proud as heck of it, and determined to stay that way.

togo wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:18 AM:I agree about the parking garage (underground), but let the developers pay for it instead of the TAXPAYERS. All who are so fired up to let the hotel take public parking, I hope you get the bill for it BEFORE you MOVE TO CARLSBAD and leave us with the BILL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kevin wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:18 AM:Wow, if they like their beloved beach so much, how do they expect to pay for it? A project like this will bring the City more tax dollars. So what do they want to see? Nothing? Oh yes let's keep our City just how it is, let's not improve anything, because it is so great just how it is. Jack is right!

To WhatDoTheyWant wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:19 AM:"...This town is second-rate, proud as heck of it, and determnined to stay that way." Truer words were never posted!

Teran wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:21 AM:Wow, from the sound of it some of you yahoos would drive a car off the lot before you had all the details worked out. I can see it now, "Gee, it sure is purdy..." Get real. Details are imporant and parking is a detail this resident isn't about to pass-over for the big glossy picture. Thank you beach and parks people. Keep my beach parking!

Parking now whats next wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:28 AM:This is just business as usual for these two and their like minded associates. There is no compromise with them, because every time you give in a little, they just ask for more. And when they don't get it, they sue, and when they don't win, they appeal. Meanwhile, nothing gets done. Which is exactly their goal in the first place. Sure, there's a few that write in here and tell them "nice job", but I'm willing to bet the majority of the people in Oceanside are getting just plain tired of them.

So next time you hear from some environmental group, saying they are not opposed to something, but just really want to "improve" it (another site, another route, another method, etc), remember this. It's a lie. Rest assured, once you think you've resolved whatever issue they had, they suddenly have another problem with it, and another, and another,...

Lets get back to reality wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:45 AM:The bigger issue here is not about parking or Shari and Carolynn's right to protect the beach areas. It is about the moron majority and statements like
Feller said" they should be run out of town" and Kern calling" residents liars on TV. This is uncalled for and this Moron Majority( see previous Moron majority it is hilarious) need to start acting like men of character rather than characters from the Bush fiasco. If I didn't witness them in action Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove I would have thought we were in the Fatherland with Hitler and his henchmen.

Dan wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:58 AM:Come on Kevin - Improvement yes, lack of parking NO. As someone who lives here, it pisses me off that I am not able to go to the beach because there is no where to park. Quit with the bs.

JIM wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:01 AM:SAVE OUR PARKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK Y OU BEACH PARK GROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

to Dan wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:12 AM:What did you expect when you moved into a "beach" community, you might have to walk a few blocks to get to the beach. Isn't it time for our City to be better, and not be the arm pit of San Diego?

Seasider wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:16 AM:I'm glad this group spoke out. Has anyone seen what is planned with that other project?????????? GOOD GOD, there won't be anywhere to park and no sunlight downtown. People have to speak up about OVER doing it, and it sounds like these people are doing that.

Dan wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:36 AM:Hey, who's picking on arm pits here? Don't pick on arm pits! We all have arm pits. The difference, some chose to use deodorant and others, well...just complain about them, don't wear deodorant and just plain stink. Get your deodorant on and "smell the roses" Kevin. Oceanside is a great place to live and play. Can we improve Oceanside? Yes, and it has improved over time, and will continue to do so as it takes its place among other coastal communities. Meanwhile, when you lift your arm and do the "smell test" is it your arm pit or your attitude that stinks?

I agree with Einstein wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:48 AM:Who wants to come here and spend big $ to stay in a resort in a town that is known for its violence? When this project goes up in flames (I wonder if it'll cost us a big settlement, like Manchester's deal did), I hope we put the big beach resort idea to bed, it's not going to work here.

What Type of City Council wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:56 AM:PLEASE READ!! VERY IMPORTANT TO SEE

For Councilman Jack Feller, it amounted to "the worst stab in the eye." The appellants, he said, should be "driven out of town."

HELLO.. I am in dis-belief that a representative appointed by the people of Oceanside word have such words about any tax, law abiding citizen. Wow..

I can't believe in this day and crucial time our Council seems to not want to work with our Citizens...

It seems that we just want a middle ground and it is always a constant battle between Council and Citizens...We NEED CHANGE ON COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER,

It is not ROCKET SCIENCE just working together for a common goal..to ease all VIEWs and legalities....HOW HARD IS THAT??? obviously its time for young adults to stand up over these immature rivals, and save tax dollars with these lawsuits drowning Oceanside dry!!

Radman wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:02 AM:Do you people know that the project includes a two story underground parking garage? Parking has been thought out very carefully on this project and most of these posters don't even know what they are talking about. Mackin & Krammer just love to keep their names in the paper. They don't care that they will cost Oceanside a bunch of money defending this allegation. The money spent defending this could have been used on another parking garage but that is not the real issue with them. They say it's parking so the dumb people who can't think for themselves will say oh they are taking my parking. The reason these two have been successful in the past is because they trick the dumb people who won’t do their own research into believing their lies.

To Seasider wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:05 AM:Have you seen the crowds on the beach this summer? I've never seen so many people down at the beach in Oceanside in previous years. These people must be parking somewhere. If their is no parking then how do all of these people get to the beach.

Rich wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:08 AM:Anyone who wants a gaslamp downtown can kiss it goodbye from the approval of all of the Citymart's condos/residential in that project. Look at what happened to the gaslamp in San Diego when all the residential started popping up --NOTHING BUT COMPLAINTS from residents who want their peace and quiet. It will be the same thing here. All residents and no fun for locals. THIS SUCKS, we have been waiting a long time to go downtown and do things, and in order to do that we will need to PARK. Keeping parking available, get rid of all the residental and let's have a downtown for us.

Seasider Info wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:09 AM:Yes Seasider the moron majority is in the works of approving the Citimark project. It will be a megalith project taking up all remaining space near the pier and adjacent areas. That is why you need to just say no to Feller and break up this group of ecoterroists (KFC). They want to make Oceanside a pit like Long Beach. Natives of Oceanside roll down your windows and yell at the top of your voice " We are mad as hell at Feller and don't want him anymore". Anyone want a Feller sign with a circle and slash through it , for your yard or car or hell just e-mail it. Just say know to chicken gizzards (KFC) and get some real meat.

In Jertho We Trust wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:25 AM:It appears that if someone says it often enough, the majority will believe it...WHATEVER it is. Let's consider the facts when referring to parking, views, city income, citizen benefits. 1:We will have less AVAILABLE parking than we have now (for the public, so that's a loss). 2:We will definitely have obstructed views, unless you are inside one of those new buildings. 3:The City will not make money from these projects for many years as a result of incentives (in the millions of dollars) that the City gives them. AND 4: citizen benefit? Well, it's obvious that anyone who lives in Oceanside will have to pay a lot more just to park in the developed zone. It's estimated that parking will be about $20 a day in one of the new parking areas, under the timeshares. And OH YES! These projects are not going to be hotels. They are going to be timeshares, condos and a small and specific amount of hotel rooms. Let the facts speak for themselves, and then you can all argue about it among yourselves. Don't let the facts scare you or KFC will run YOU out of town.

PlanRight wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:32 AM:I don't know if Krammer or Mackin are just looking for the lime light but I do know that the city is approving projects without adequate parking and poor design. In our neighborhood near the Civic Center they approved a massive condo community at the end of Neptune that had serious parking issues in the design. Those people are crammed in like sardines. Then the new condo association quit allowing parking on the streets within the facility, forcing even more of their parking into our neighborhood. Not to mention there is one small ingress and egress bridge over the 5 freeway for the whole development. If the wrong earthquake comes along and fires start, that whole community will go down. I don't know who in the city allowed that, but if they make the same errors downtown, it will become a miserable, unsafe area to try to live, work, or visit.

We have the potential to be one of the nicest, best planned beach areas in the country. Don't blow it, Oceanside.

Leon wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:58 AM:Look, though I generally support the hotel project (with some reservations about height restrictions and the amount of city subsidy), Mackin and Krammer have EVERY RIGHT under the law to file an appeal. No one should be "driven out of town" for petitioning the government -- in this case, the Coastal Commission -- for redress of grievances. We don't retaliate against people for exercising their constitutional rights. That's not how we do things in this country. Let them have their day.

Truth wrote on Aug 8, 2008 10:59 AM:...For Councilman Jack Feller, it amounted to "the worst stab in the eye." The appellants, he said, should be "driven out of town."

HELLO.. I am in dis-belief that a representative appointed by the people of Oceanside word have such words about any tax, law abiding citizen. Wow..

I can't believe in this day and crucial time our Council seems to not want to work with our Citizens...

It seems that we just want a middle ground and it is always a constant battle between Council and Citizens...We NEED CHANGE ON COUNCIL IN NOVEMBER,

It is not ROCKET SCIENCE just working together for a common goal..to ease all VIEWs and legalities....HOW HARD IS THAT??? obviously its time for young adults to stand up over these immature rivals, and save tax dollars with these lawsuits drowning Oceanside dry!!

Vista Granny wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:05 PM:It seems to me that this size hotel, etc. is too much. Oceanside has been a mess and it is getting better, but what's wrong with preserving the beach part of town. You would not see this in Carlsbad or Solana Beach -- not right on the water front. In fact, are there any large resort type hotels located right on the water any place except maybe La Jolla - not sure about them. You see this type thing belongs in an area where there is no congestion -- not right downtown. And, maybe you all could try cleaning up downtown as it is. I agree. I would not want to stay in a very expensive hotel on the beach in a town where there's no decent place to go after dark. Clean up your town, build small, elegant hotels and the crowds will come. But then, I'm old so what do I know? Right?

Strand walker wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:12 PM:I've seen the crowds, they are coming from the timeshare which has the required amount of parking on site. Just wait until all of the parking lots are gone (all along Cleveland, Myers, and Pacific) when the hotel and that other project is built. ADIOS parking, hello hotel. If the hotel wasn't so friggin big, it wouldn't need to use public parking to subsidize the project. Deal with it hotel and leave our public parking alone. Good for the citizens group.

smell test wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:13 PM:haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa thanks for the laugh Dan! Yea, it is probably good to do the smell test! Thanks for the laugh.

To Radman from Dump Person wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:26 PM:Looks pretty simple to me. The City and Baker knew there was a parking problem and did not address it. If they knew there was a problem why did they not fix it before it became a bigger problem. The problem lies with the City not these 2 ladies who volunteer their time and stand up for us Oceanside residents. You get em ladies, sign me up.

So Much For the Sanchez Deal wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:28 PM:Wasn't this the deal that Esther Sanchez was so proud of calling her negotiate compromise? 7 stories and the relocation of the Top Gun House; everyone is on board, so what's the big deal. We are only a guitar player and two bus loads of seniors away for a Holiday Inn Express on this site. What a waste of time for all who deal with Sanchez and her cronies.

Free Food wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:32 PM:The only way we can get Feller out of town is to invite him to a Social Event outside of Oceanside. Free Food. Jack will be there.

Yeah Leon wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:37 PM:Finally your law degree comes to some use. Unfortunately you can't defend your buddies on this one. Feller is way out of line and he is showing his true colors. Mad as Hell and we don't want Feller no more. Again Mad as Hell we don't want Feller anymore and one last time Mad as Hell we don't want Feller anymore. They say if you repeat it three times it comes to fruition. Just like the 3 wishes in Aladdins lamp.

TLM wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:40 PM:I'm with Leon. What kind of embarrassment are these two idiots on the council? Don't they get it that people have the right to disagree with them? I voted for both of these two (Jack because my son played football with his grandson and Jerry because my nephew went to Pacific View) and I am embarrassed to think I had their signs in my yard. Not this time around. Jerry made an ass of himself a few weeks back making uncalled for comments about people during a meeting and Jack is so stubborn he can't budge an inch. Parking is a joke downtown and it is about time someone noticed it.

Rocky Spin Machine wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:47 PM:Council voted FOR the hotel. Not Oceansides Voters. Lets re-write history.
It would have never passed on a general election ballet.

John wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:58 PM:The people did not vote. We have not been told how much taxpayers money will be given to the hotel. Nor have we been told how much our bill will be if we have to provide parking. I disagree with Mackin's politics but she has the right to appeal. The hotel if it ever gets built will be a HUGE white elephant in Oceanside.

Reardon wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:23 PM:Imagine the gall of these folks who have to keep their names in the paper. I can't imagine it. However, it does look good to see my name on the internet.

jeremy wrote on Aug 8, 2008 2:41 PM:all ths will be pointless come dec.2012.......

Karen and Trevor P. wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:05 PM:I know these two ladies. I know it isn't about getting their names in the paper. If their group says it is about parking-- it is about parking. Good for them to have the courage to stand up for what is right! You go Carolynn and Shari--we are right behind you!

To Jeremy wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:44 PM:could very well be.

Same dirty politics wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:48 PM:What you hear coming out of jerry and jacks mouth is a complete disdain for the citizens. It is the same nasty stuff the Republicans know so well. I would say they learned well from Jack O but I think they both had that spiteful attitude in them already. Way to go Chamber of Commerce. Keep sending us the winners.

Plenty of Cooperation wrote on Aug 8, 2008 3:54 PM:There's plenty of cooperation between the council and the citizens. There just doesn't appear to be much cooperation between the council and these two. Also, cooperation only takes place between folks that WANT to cooperate, and it is plain from those that write in such great support of Mackin and Krammer that what these few citizens really want is NO DEVELOPMENT. So, no matter what this appeal is about, when it is resolved, there will be another issue, with another appeal, and so on and so forth, etc, etc. That's the way the neighborhood activits, along with many other environmentalists, play the game.

Joan wrote on Aug 8, 2008 4:44 PM:Wow, there are a lot of comments and insults on this blog. Personally, I think the two men on the council don't like women. I have heard some very chauvinistic remarks out of both of them and as a woman, it irks me to no end to hear men speaking so hateful (Mr. Feller – “run out of town”) and disdainful/disrespectful (Kern – “the most dishonest, disingenuous and deceitful group of people”) to anyone let alone two women. Shame on these men-what terrible examples to the young people in our community. Shame, shame, and shame.

BJ wrote on Aug 8, 2008 4:51 PM:To the happy one about downtown being so pretty. A lot of us enjoyed it the way it was. We found ways to get what we wanted. Yet, without the no parking and the crowded dirty beach areas. Build inland, and stop making the residents that has stayed through the bad times and fought to keep going and yet we had peace. When the Marines are here, it does not give us all the crowded areas and buildings, but they kept us afloat. This is a Military town and nothing was wrong with that. Now we are miserable and many do not want to go downtown to fight for space and comfort.
ALL the City Council who believes in pushing the older businesses out and they kept Oceanside going, then go somewhere else and start a town the way you want and stop pushing your greed and lavish money on us. Need I say more?

oh now it is a game wrote on Aug 8, 2008 5:00 PM:What an asstute comment. Trying to protect our neighborhoods and the enviroment is a game. Tell your grandchildren it was all a game when the North Pole becomes just the North Sea. It is already hotter year after year but maybe you never notice since you spend your time sitting in an air-conditioned office. It is this same lame brain attitude that you got from George Bush. Remember he told us to drive the big SUV gas guzzlers because that is our right as Americans and rulers of the world. The citizens have a right to speak up and jack and jerr will never take that away. Give em Hell Shari and Carolynn and when they diss you again on TV or the paper go see Leon P.

Boomer wrote on Aug 8, 2008 7:14 PM:Yep, Yep, Yep... Lets bring back the hookers and drug dealers, they have been an asset to Oceanside with all the tax dollars and civic contributions they have made through the years.

As far as parking, look at all the other "beach towns" in Southern California, parking is a pain in the back side...everybody wants to go to the beach on a summer day. But lets think about who spends real money here in town...the "time share owners". This money equates into DOLLARS into the City. Money to build parking structures, pay for cops, firefighters and other City obligations to the residents of Oceanside.

This is just another half baked plan from a bunch (all 6 of you) wackos who somehow keep their pathetic lives alive by causing grief and costing the City real dollars. If you 2 really had the good of Oceanside in mind then stop speaking out of both sides of your mouths. How can you both support the project on one hand when Shari was holding down the chair she sat in when she was on council and now oppose the project after all the hoops she and her cronies ran the developer through the begining? And Carolyn, dont you sit on the "Redevelopment Advisory Commity"? Why did you support the project and how all the "issues" had been addressed and now file a protest? Or did Shari forge your name on another document again? Tell us whats up? And why wait until the last day to file this protest...because your a bunch of snakes and cowards!

Bullwinkle wrote on Aug 9, 2008 9:02 AM:The architect designed the parking garage with compact parking places in the mix which afforded sufficient parking inside the hotel underground. However, Oceanside does not permit compact car parking stalls. So now Makin and Kramer now want to require the City to pave our paradise at the beach. Why don’t these “environmentalists” work to convince Oceanside to get with the times and allow compact car parking places? Mayor Wood gets it. He drives an environmentally responsible hybrid automobile which can easily be parked in compact parking. Why didn’t staff, someone on the RAC, or EDC show leadership and bring forward a proposal to change allow a mix of full size and compact car spaces, thus denying Kramer and Makin to embarrass the community this way?

Another View wrote on Aug 9, 2008 9:19 AM:Some people who reflexively hate "development" live in a home or condo a developer built, in a subdivision that a developer built. Yhey complain about the damage to the environment of overbuilding, but their dwelling occupies land that was once habitat for small or large critters and that's O.K. because it is theirs, but your? That's different!

Dave wrote on Aug 9, 2008 9:55 AM:Development is the only way to clean up the pier and downtown area of Oceanside. This project has gone thru so many iterations already to try to accomodate everyone.

The bottom line is that this area needs to be cleaned up. That takes police presence, nice restaurants, locals that won't tolerate gang bangers hanging out near their property all very essential.

The more expensive developments the better. Lets get more restaurants and higher-end shops and make this a nice place.

Stephanie wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:06 AM:LAME!! Tree huggers need to go elsewhere, we having been waiting in anticipation to go eat, drink and be merry at that place!!!

to ron jeremy wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:43 AM:2012 is a huge load of fecal matter....

At What Point... wrote on Aug 9, 2008 11:04 AM:At what point is enough enough? Is it really OK for a handful of people to hold up a project forever, even after it has been through all the reviews and approval processes that have been put in place to make sure things are done correctly? In this case, both of these ladies have been intimately involved in this entire process, and either 1) didn't bring this up until now or 2) did and others disagreed. If they didn't bring it up, then I'd have to really look at their motives. If they did, and were just overridden, then all their doing is acting like spoiled children who didn't get their way. In either case, something is really wrong with a system that allows this type of obstruction by what appears to be a few renegade citizens, and at some point, if we are going to move forward, there is going to be a big backlash that will only make those that are concerned about these issues less effective, not more.

How about saving the gas and taking the Sprinter to the beach? Isn't public transit the best solution to traffic/parking/emissions, especially during peak times? Doesn't all that parking just encourage the burning of fossil fuels anyway? There were so many people riding it this summer they added trains, and I know more than a few people that took advantage of it.

Just dont get it wrote on Aug 9, 2008 12:24 PM:Shari and Carolynn are not against the hotel. They are protecting the public right to have available parking to go to the beach. Sorry for all you people who overpaid for your glorified condos(row homes) near the beach. We are not giving up our rights so your precious little row condo might go up in price.
It is time to close down redevelpment in Oceanside. We planted enough money into downtown and its time for redevelopment to start paying back the general fund so other neighborhoods get the services we deserve. Plus if we close down Redevelopment the council and mayor will not have to attend redevelopment meetings and they will lose about a thousand a month. Maybe then Jack and Jerr would have to get a real job. Rocky is independently wealthy remember he gave the school district 200K. So he doesn't really need the money.

Tom wrote on Aug 9, 2008 12:53 PM:Development for development sake doesn’t benefit anyone. The Oceanside planning process is a joke. I only need to point out the monstrosity that is the Yellow, Blue, and Brown timeshare prominently placed overlooking the San Luis Rey and Oceanside Harbor. From the street it looks like a shabby strip mall, and from the beach it looks like a cross between a Wal-Mart and a Mexican prison. Whoever approved that project should be run out of town on a rail.
We all want to see an improved downtown area that we are all proud to visit and show off. No one will want to visit the area if you can’t find a place to park. All projects approved for construction should be required to provide enough parking for tenants, guests, and yes they need to provide parking for somebody just coming to sit on the beach.
Parking is such an important part of a successful development. The theater complex downtown looks great; maybe the storefronts along Coast Highway would have some tenants if the development had properly addressed parking.
All I can say is development is great if you take the time to be sure it is right.

tell us Jeremy wrote on Aug 9, 2008 2:10 PM:so HOW is it all gonna end ? They said that bout 2000 too! Just cuz the Aztecs stopped working on their calendar doesn't mean anything....still I'ld like to hear your take on how 2012 ends everything...

To Stephanie wrote on Aug 9, 2008 5:56 PM:There are places to go downtown to eat. Try the Breakwater Brewery, Tremong Grill or a dozen other places. Quitcyer bitchin.

Downtown Resident wrote on Aug 9, 2008 8:51 PM:Thank God for Shari and Carolyn and everyone else who sees the big picture!
We are already having parking problems
and yet this Hotel and the Downtown projects are stealing visitor parking spots for their own ill gotten gain!
Our deep conviction is that the truth be told and that we fight for what is right and that is parking for tourists and guests of residents in our Downtown Beach area! We no longer need to beg and plea for developers to come and build in our great beach town and give away our parking for free! From know on they play by the rules and make sure their project can park their own residents without steeling valuable parking places from the public!

regarding Sherri and Carolyn wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:29 AM:they are against anything good in this town. They are tipicle environmentalist who appeal anything and everything. They want no progress. They must live in a tough area and be proud of it. I for one and sick of peolple trying to hold back this town. Let's give it back to the homless and gangs like it was 15 years ago. That would make thim very happy.

Mackin and Krammer wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:32 AM:Why do a few like Masckin and Krammer always have to ruin it for everyone else. There will be more parking whith the new parking garage and all the underground parking than there is now. Krammer and Masckin mind you own business and leave this town alone. You are not welcome in my town.

dowtown resident wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:49 AM:Thee hotels do have there own parking for their gusss wake up.

time to move wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:52 AM:Mackin and Krammer move somewhere else leave us alone. You are trouble makers.

you folks wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:45 PM:You folks telling Shari and Carolynn to move out of town are much like your hero Jack Feller. What arrogance you all have to tell someone to move out of town. Shari and Carolynn have lived in Oceanside most of their lives as I too.
They have protected Oceanside from other Oceanside give aways. Do you remember when the city wanted to pave over the Oceanside Harbor Beach to put in a research aquarium. Most of you telling them to get out of town came from some heavily populated area like L.A. You bought your little row condo downtown as an investment and all you care about is your property value going up at the expense of the citizens. As far as the citizens are concerned why don't you sell your condos at a loss because you can't sell them now and move back to the smog and crowded city life you originated .