Kevin wrote on Aug 7, 2008 5:14 AM:Rick, have you ever walked in the Grand Canyon? Have you ever been to an archeological 'dig' that has been preserved? I think you might need to get out more. As for your friend that is a public school teacher - I'm disgusted that he is 'teaching' kids in such a cynical manner. Evolution and religion are two different things and they can both be 'believed' without the sacrifice of the other. The difference is one has gone through scientific scrutiny to evolve into the strong scientific theory that it is. The other is a matter of faith and belief. Believe what you want - your letter does nothing to challenge the theory of evolution and nobody ever will disprove it.

To Bill Shepard wrote on Aug 7, 2008 7:07 AM:If the service is so bad, or the clientel is, drive your care, or go to the pool at the community center. Temecula has a nice one!

to the editor wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:25 AM:Could you please return to putting letters like Kellogs in the Faith and Values Section.

Resident wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:42 AM:To the last entry To: Bill Sheppard. What's the matter did someone hit a nerve with you ...? In most countries, kids are taught to respect the senior citizen and would offer them a seat. The point of having that bus was for keeping as many cars off of the roads as possible. People going to work and school should have first priority being they have a real purpose for riding it. Not for recreational purposes. Without them, that route would've never had the success it has had. This would not be happening near a major city where they know how to organize things better. My husband rode it for over 5 years, but got tired of the obscene language,,obnoxious behavior, people that were high on something and reeked to high heaven and then jockeying for a seat or standing room after putting in a 8 hour day. Who needs that? He got smart and bought a commuter car and still sees the long lines at the Oceanside train station and just gets in his car now without any problem. The complaints he and his other fellow commuters filed with the RTA fell on deaf ears. Well let's see who will be riding it after school starts and gas prices go down even more. It is truly a joke of a service when you have to contend with all of those situations and then a bus that is constantly breaking down.

John the Baptist wrote on Aug 7, 2008 10:02 AM:to Rick: If ID is such a great idea, why haven't you learned something about it? I recently read Behe's "The Edge of Evolution". Behe is one of the leading proponents of ID: but he proposes it as an addition to evolution, NOT as an alternative.

You speak of "suggest[ing] a viable alternative". If someone wants to provide a credible challenge to a scientific theory, they will have to do more than make a suggestion. To be viable, there must be substantial supporting data. ID proponents, to date have not provided such data.

As Kevin previously stated, there is no conflict between evolution and Christian belief. Evolution theory does conflict with a literal reading of the Genesis 1 creation account and also of the Genesis 2 creation account.
Regards

To Resident wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:29 AM:Hit a nerve, no. In most countries old people don't stand on the front porch yelling at kids for walking on their lawn...so why do you ask, hit a nerve with you?

Students may but college administrators and employers do not wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:31 AM:Rick, its this simple. Science, whether you accept it or not, is the basis for technology. Spending all your time disputing science, or presenting alternatives to science, while contending it is okay to ignore science puts students at an academic and professional disadvantage.

Resident wrote on Aug 7, 2008 12:38 PM:Hey ..., I am far from belonging to AARP and shows your poor mentality. What does an older person yelling at kid walking on their lawn have to do with rude kids that ride the bus??? You have probably never been to Europe where they are taught to respect their elders and other peoples property. Why? Cause they are better educated over there than the rodents here!!!
You got nothing to stand on except weak values. Later!!

To Rick K. wrote on Aug 7, 2008 1:00 PM:I'm all for an open mind, but your last paragraph, though blatantly oversimplified does make feel ill. It is situations such as this that point out the sad fact that so many young children are brainwashed, yes I said brainwashed in religious teachings from a very young age. I myself cannot thank my parents enough for not forcing religion down my throat when I was young. I attended sunday school on occasion with my friends and even sat through a few sermons, but I was allowed to keep an open enough mind, that after a while I realized that it was all a sham. Also, don't try to tell me that these kids have a choice and that their parents are merely offering them an idea...BS! When school and your entire lifestyle is based upon the teachings of the bible, you tend to soak it up. What a shame to waste so many young minds on hogwash.

-Andy

Resident wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:21 PM:seems to be an American hating EURO socialist...I suggest she change her screen name to Immigrant!

snerd wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:40 PM:to Rick: Now Rick you know that story about kids laughing about evolution in a bio. class was just that, a story. You made that up because you are so frustrated that very few people accept your view of the world. I have six kids all of whom took high school bio and none of them or their friends has ever described the little fib you put at the end of your letter. I don't understand why proponents of ID feel the need to lie to convince people of their position. Isn't lieing a sin.

John wrote on Aug 7, 2008 3:48 PM:Ordinarily I would agree with "to the editor" that Rick Kellogg's letter should be placed in the Faith & Values Letters section. However, I'm hoping that its being in the regular Letters section will serve as a Public Service Announcement to parents with students at the school Rick mentions and generate action to end the unprofessional conduct of the teacher he speaks of.

OBAMACAN wrote on Aug 7, 2008 8:54 PM:Jim Ramsdell's letter shows him to be ignorant and out of touch, when he makes the FALSE statement that Obama's "energy policy consists solely of having everyone ensure their tires are properly inflated and to tune up their cars."
Yes, Obama did make this statement in response to a town hall meeting when one person asked what simple things could be done NOW to use less gas and, of course, he was ridiculed by McCain and his lackeys over at Faux News.
This was in response to a question about simple things you can do right now. That is all.
IT WAS NOT "OBAMA'S ENERGY POLICY.
Obama's actual energy policy includes increased tax credits for solar, wind and other renewable energy sources. It includes incentives for Detroit to assist with the financial aspects of retooling to plug-in hybrids and electrics, to keep jobs in the USA. And it even allows for a willingness to consider some limited additional drilling, with environmenta safeguards, during the transition to full energy independence from oil (and yes, that was before the Paris Hilton masterpiece that put McCain in his place).
As for McCain, after being rebuked by the AAA, NASCAR and Bush's own transportation department he had to admit that Obama was right, inflating your tires properly is one simple thing people can do right now to be more fuel efficient. Oh, and they've stopped offering those little tire gauges for a $25 donation, you know, the ones you can buy at Auto Zone for 89 cents.
Talk about gouging and inflation!

OBAMACAN wrote on Aug 7, 2008 9:38 PM:Revised and resubmitted

Jim Ramsdell's letter shows him to be ignorant and out of touch, when he makes the FALSE statement that Obama's "energy policy consists solely of having everyone ensure their tires are properly inflated and to tune up their cars."
Yes, Obama did make this statement in response to a town hall meeting when one person asked what simple things could be done NOW to use less gas and, of course, he was ridiculed by McCain and his lackeys over at Faux News.
This was in response to a question about simple things you can do right now. That is all.
IT WAS NOT "OBAMA'S ENERGY POLICY."
Obama's actual energy policy includes increased tax credits for solar, wind and other renewable energy sources. It includes incentives for Detroit to assist with the financial aspects of retooling to plug-in hybrids and electrics, to keep jobs in the USA. It allows energy tax credits for those consumers who have been hardest-hit by high gas prices, paid for out of the record windfall profits of the oil company gougers who profiteer off the backs of hard-working Americans. And it even allows for a willingness to consider some limited additional drilling, with environmenta safeguards, during the transition to full energy independence from oil (and yes, that was before the Paris Hilton masterpiece that put McCain in his place).
As for McCain, after being rebuked by the AAA, NASCAR and Bush's own transportation department he had to admit that Obama was right, inflating your tires properly is one simple thing people can do right now to be more fuel efficient. Oh, and they've stopped offering those little tire gauges for a $25 donation, you know, the ones you can buy at Auto Zone for 89 cents.
Talk about gouging and inflation!

To Mr Shepperd wrote on Aug 7, 2008 11:42 PM:Why are you blaming RTA or Ron Roberts? The blame falls on the parents of these youngsters for not teaching them respect for their elders. Yes, they paid the fare same as you and are entitled to a seat same as you. It is a matter of courtesy and respect. Not the fault of RTA. I am a senior and I do understand your feelings. It seems manners and common courtesy has gone the way of the rotary telephone.

GailGal wrote on Aug 8, 2008 6:15 AM:To Rick:

There IS a reliable alternative to evolution if people would just read the book. It's called "The Quest for Right" and is on the cutting edge of science; however, the only people who are interested in it are the atheists/evolutionists. And they are only interested in mocking and joking about it. However, it IS no joke. Read the books and you will see this series is the answer for the schools. The books are outstanding for teaching physical science...getting back to the old physics of cause and effect. I've read them and I'm amazed.

bobxxxx wrote on Aug 8, 2008 8:27 AM:Rick Kellogg talked about a public school science teacher who is obviously an evolution denier. This teacher should be fired for incompetence. It's not fair to students to have a science teacher who doesn't even know what science is.

J.R. wrote on Aug 8, 2008 9:49 AM:To Rick:
please state the "positive evidence" that you mention that supports Intelligent Design. You appear unaware that even those at the Discovery Institute admit that they cannot present any. Incredulity is not "positive evidence" for anything. I would suggest learning about science from places other than creationist websites.

Dwight wrote on Aug 8, 2008 1:05 PM:To Rick:

You start your letter by implying there is A LOT of "positive evidence" for Intelligent Design but FAIL to mention any of this evidence. You're NOT going to convince anyone with this sort of sloppy debating style.