wrote on Aug 11, 2008 7:54 PM:And who in their right mind would follow these two to another school they have to pay for. Key word in the statement above: right mind.

Incredible wrote on Aug 11, 2008 8:19 PM:Is there really anyone out there that would seriuosly even consider this school? Why? Crazy!

Teach your children well wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:19 PM:"If you look under anyone's carpet, you are going to find some problems with administration"

What? This parent calls violations of conflict of interest, corporate, and public meeting laws, "problems" every administration has hidden away? This is okay with her?

I worry what lesson she's teaching her children, who will someday be in the workforce. And what will she think when they say, "Cheating in school and taking drugs is no big deal, if you look under their carpets, everyone has a little drug or cheating problem!"

unbelievable wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:29 PM:Could the "B" in H & B stand for Bishop? I cannot believe that parents (like the one quoted in the above article) would actually consider following the Hazeltons! Guess where your tuition money will be going? Yep, lining their pockets just like EUSD's money did.

Missing wrote on Aug 11, 2008 9:39 PM:They left out the B of H & B Education LLC. Bishop, among other appropriate things that start with B.

Hello Dept of Education wrote on Aug 11, 2008 10:23 PM:Are we just going to let these people walk and start a whole new mess in education? Is anyone going to prosecute and stop these people?

Umm.. wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:18 AM:Hazelton should have stuck to 6th grade at Palmquist. This is a rip. It's time to retire, dude. At least with private funds it means no public money is directly spent on their shenanigans.

same thing wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:49 AM:They have also created an educational consulting company- look on the web for edstrategies and see. Eerily familiar with TIP Education and then TIP Academy. I wonder if their private school will be using their educational consulting firm! These poor parents! They need to open their eyes and stop seeing the H's as victims otherwise they will become the victims themselves!

Considerate wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:47 AM:And aren't they so considerate? Never once explaining their actions or apologizing to the parents, the students or the teachers from TIP? Going along their merry way...

Taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:11 AM:This is all diversionary discussion taking our eye off the fact that, despite the demise of TIP through administrative blunder, its educational approach was - and remains - strongly supported by those whose children experienced it. The point, EUSD has both mission and obligation to provide the community the best education possible. In short, it should be doing all it can to address the void that TIP filled so that the schools under its area of responsibility are more attractive. Further, would that the so-called "Tipsters" could direct their energies into improving that which we have at-hand, rather than clinging to either a sinking ship, or seeking an educational voyage on yet another experimental vessel. EUSD, me thinks its time to improve the "home ports".

to taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:53 AM:Encinitas property values are some of the highest around due to their award winning schools powered by high quality teachers differentiating standards based curriculum for their students before, during and long after TIP is gone.

to to taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:21 AM:Typical "property values" response. Did it ever occur to you that not all people/parents care about property value? Schools are not there to raise property values. If the district is lacking, which it obviously is, then the parents have ever right to look for something better, regardless of what it might mean to your precious property values.

Cardiffian wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:34 AM:You miss the point, taxpayer. High property values means more property tax means better school funding (public and private) means more demand to live there means higher property values means more property taxes....get it? All this before TIP existed. While I agree that parent involvement in schools is always a good thing, I don't agree that TIP created a void that needs to be filled.

o to to taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:39 AM:Your circular logic is pathetic! to taxpayer's point wasn't about caring about property values, it was to provide EVIDENCE that EUSD schools are highly regarded!

But you don't like FACTS and EVIDENCE. You prefer to make blanket statements without any facts or evidence to back them up, like, "If the district is lacking, which it obviously is . . . " HOW is it "obviously" lacking? If Encinitas is sought after location, EUSD "obviously" ISN'T lacking!

Property Values wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:45 AM:There are four elementary schools in EUSD where property values are much lower than they should be because those homes are located in those school's boundaries. Talk to any realtor familiar with Encinitas. In fact, many in those areas have left EUSD to either home school, private school, or TIP. That is why in the last 10 years there has been so many private schools open up in Encinitas.

laws broken wrote on Aug 12, 2008 10:48 AM:The EUSD is correct in stressing that obeying the law is very relevant to this discussion of closing the TIP Academy. The district errs however in accusing a school of breaking the law. First, a school is a body of people, most of which in this case cannot be accused of any crime. Second, in this country, people are assumed innocent until they are proven guilty. All of the district’s complaints about the misconducts of the former TIP Academy leaders are allegations. They might be guilty, they might have a history of misconduct, we might expect them to be guilty, but those are all the more reasons for us to allow them to defend themselves in a court of law, rather than in the forum of public opinion. If we cannot bring charges and prove them guilty, then they remain innocent and we should remain quiet.

website wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:23 AM:Anyone have the website with info about this new school? I'm interested.

Veritas wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:56 AM:To Taxpayer: "administrative blunder"?

That's what you call the charges against TIP of misuse of taxpayers funds, violation of conflict of interest laws, corporate malfeasance laws and open meeting laws (Brown Act)?

"the void that TIP filled"?
What void? TIP's teaching methods and curriculum were the same as EUSD, and it's API score was lower than half EUSD schools. The percentage of former EUSD students who left for TIP is about 3% (less than 200 out of about 6,000 EUSD students) Hardly a "void", more like a tiny fraction. Maybe you mean the void of having a private school setting on the public's tab, at $1.7 million?

to to to taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:05 PM:To taxpayer's point wasn't that schools are "there to raise property values," it was to provide empirical EVIDENCE that EUSD schools are highly regarded and that people want to move here in part for the school system!

Where are any facts or evidence to support YOUR comments? For example: "If the district is lacking, which it obviously is . . . " HOW is it "obviously" lacking? To taxpayer's point was that higher property values for good schools means EUSD "obviously" ISN'T lacking!

Taxpayer wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:16 PM:To be clear, my earlier note neither referenced property values nor their relationship to the funding of public elementary education. That said, EUSD's challenge, indeed, their mandate, is to do more for less, and this irrespective of fiscal vagaries.
Since others brought it up, property values both influence and reflect the quality of a community's public education system. Is that in Encinitas okay, yes. Can it be better? Of course it can!

To Website wrote on Aug 12, 2008 12:24 PM:Try www.wecheatuanducomeback4more.com

tax money wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:06 PM:To those who are so concerned about the mismanagement of public money, you should alsolook into the the huge salaries the EUSD board voted year afer year for the district adminstrators.

Missing the Point wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:24 PM:Are you all forgetting about the article? I think ALL people involved in TIP would like to see closure, and an end to this strife. We would also LOVE to put the H's in a court of law. They need to either prove their innocence or be properly prosecuted for tearing a school, families, and teacher's lives apart.

And all the TAX moaners: How about you go to your EUSD and DEMAND that they use YOUR money appropriately, rather than ruffling your feathers bragging about how much you pay for property tax. Take a look at OK! I am sure it would LOVE improvements: library, classrooms, more computers, etc. Damage is done people. Fight for your Property Taxes to go toward YOUR school!

to tax money wrote on Aug 12, 2008 1:46 PM:God bless the board of EUSD! Of course it was not as much the salary of the TIP school administrators! Sidekick Dan, get a life!

Neighbors wrote on Aug 12, 2008 2:59 PM:Has anyone seen the youtube video on the tipsterinfo site of this property that they hope to share with The Acaemy North County? An AA meeting hall, a bar, a liquor store and the Capalina methadone clinic all share the same parking lot up top and by the playground or are ajacent to the property separated by a short wall. Even Sierra Madre had enough good sense to move out! Say what you want about EUSD, but I will take my chances back at Capri.

To Neighbors wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:17 PM:Good to share this info, but it doesn't really matter. No one is really going to the Julian charter or the Hazelton's school. Only a handful of parents interested. Not going to happen.

Lost your marbles wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:24 PM:Liquor store, bar, methadone clinic and AA treatment center - and this is where you want to send you children?

EUSD is lacking wrote on Aug 12, 2008 3:54 PM:Anyone who says otherwise simply isn't paying attention. "The Emperor's new clothes are beautiful."

fin wrote on Aug 12, 2008 4:27 PM:can't be worse than smusd!!!

Horse race wrote on Aug 12, 2008 5:25 PM:Too bad the Hazelton's and Bishop's are not racing at Del Mar. They passed the Trifecta, winning the Superfecta for finding a location with a Liquor store, bar, methadone clinic and AA treatment center attached to the school. If they could find a head shop to relocate to their campus, they could even with the Super Hi Five!

To Missing the Point wrote on Aug 12, 2008 6:07 PM:It does seem some people still think the H's did nothing wrong (see second parent quoted in the article), like Taxpayer who calls their deeds "administrative blunders."

On your second point, maybe you're from out of town, or new here, otherwise you'd know that several years ago the district completed extensive renovation and modernization of ALL EUSD schools. They got new playing fields, remodeled libraries and classrooms, new computer infrastructure, landscaping and hardscaping, new paint, carpet, safety features, etc. OK got all of that plus the beautiful dolphin fencing around the entire perimeter. So we don't have to go to EUSD and "DEMAND that they use OUR money appropriately" because we know what they've done for our schools.

To To Missing the Point wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:03 PM:I think you are referring to the School Bond that was passed by the voters about 10 years ago for modernization of school facilities. That reminds me that in addition to my normal property tax bill that goes to the schools I also have to pay addition $$ to cover the cost of that voter approved bond. Now EUSD says they need more money and need to develop the Pacific View site in order to stay afloat.

Charges wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:27 PM:The district attorney received the case against these people a few weeks ago. If you want justice to be served, contact the DA's office and respectfully ask them to press charges submitted by EUSD. Shut these people down for good!

to to tax money wrote on Aug 12, 2008 7:40 PM:Go to the EUSd district office and checked out the correct amount of the EUSD admiinstrator's salaries. it is $205,000 a yesr for superintendent King salary alone and $165,000 for his three other duputy superintendents! These are huge salaries for a small school district like EUSD in this time of economic downturn. the superintendent of the Julian school district makes under $100,000 a year.

Once you voted the EUSD board every four years, they have can do,whatever they want with your precious tax money. whatever I was wrong when I used to think that educators do not get rich, may be only for the teachers!

To To To Missing the Point wrote on Aug 12, 2008 8:48 PM:You people can't be pleased! First you say taxpayers should DEMAND that EUSD upgrade and modernize our facilities, then when you're told they already DID that over a period of several years, to all nine schools, you begrudge them the money spend (that WE THE TAXPAYERS voted to improve our schools, and thus, our community.) If you resent paying taxes for the greater good, consider that you'll recoup some of your small share of the bond in a higher property value well maintained schools bring us. The bond was necessary because the district isn't allowed to spend money from the general fund on facilities.

to to to tax money wrote on Aug 12, 2008 9:13 PM:Looks like Dr. King makes the same as the Hazelton's did at TIP! Only TIP was a 270-student school and Dr. King is superintendent of a 5,670 student school district. That's $35 per student for Dr. King and $732 for the Hazeltons!

Poor Encinitas wrote on Aug 12, 2008 11:26 PM:I used to think Encinitas might be a nice place to live. But after reading a few of these blogs about TIP and the overtly vicious ranting and raving of ignorant people contained there, it seems it has a fair number of extremely immature people with nothing better to do than spew bile. So sad for you. Keep going that way and you'll depress your prized property values because people will be afraid some of the posters on this blog would be their neighbors!

If you were paying attention, you would see your school board has turned into a rubber stamp factory instead of a body exercising independent oversight over the King bureaucracy. A dangerous and inappropriate situation. I hope, for the sake of the EUSD kids, there are level-headed people in your city who do start to pay attention.

STAR wrote on Aug 13, 2008 5:43 AM:Is Target the new meeting place for TIP?Looks like TIP is trying to share the STAR testing. Sidekick Dan is denying it. Give it a rest!

To Poor Encinitas wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:36 AM:I read all the blogs on this page to find all the "vivious ranting and raving of ignorant people" and "extremely immature people with nothing better to do than spew bile," and the only one THAT MEAN was YOURS!

We do think Encinitas is a nice place to live, and in part because we don't regard a feuding, bickering, school district as necessary to getting work done! The school board made an exhaustive search for the most highly qualified superintendent when Dr. DeVore retired. They did a excellent job finding Dr. King, and far from a rubber stamp, we Encinitans are proud that our board had the courage and foresight to put an end to the serious misdeeds at TIP. It would have been far easier on them to have "rubber stamped" TIP! But they did what they knew to be in the best interest of the taxpayers and citizens of Encinitas--not their "popularity" with a small but very vocal minority.

If you want to see what really happens to a district when the board "rubber stamps" a charter school despite fiscal mismanagement, look at Eagles Peak in Julian. Now they are getting threats from Wells Fargo Bank that if they revoke the charter, the bank will come after the school district to collect Eagles Peaks' mounting debts!

Please stop wrote on Aug 13, 2008 7:56 AM:There are many honest teachers and staff members that are innocent of any wrongdoing. It is inexcusable to accuse them of unethical behavior due to their association to TIP. Please stop with the rumors and accusations. All these people have left is their reputations. Remember the golden rule and act accordingly.

To Please stop wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:35 AM:OK... we hear you, but do you really treat people as you wish to be treated??

Carlsbad wrote on Aug 13, 2008 8:53 AM:Apply the same standards to public school administration and they'd be closed long ago. Widespread blatant mismanagement of state funds in public schools. Public school funds frequently diverted to pet projects, then the school and PTA constantly squeal about shortages and nag kids and parents to participate in fund raisers.

To Please Stop wrote on Aug 13, 2008 9:28 AM:I reread all our comments and couldn't find a single word against any TIP teachers or innocent staff members, let alone any accusations "of unethical behavior due to their association to TIP". So why are you scolding us to "stop with the rumors and accusations" when NO ONE HAS MADE ANY!

Aren't YOU, in fact, the only one guilty of starting "rumors and accusations" by accusing us of something we haven't done? Apply the Golden Rule to your own behavior!

to to to tax money wrote on Aug 13, 2008 11:01 PM:270 children and their parents just had their well loved school pulled from underneath by a rather vindictive district. Please keep that in mind when you accuse them of being raving and ignorant. Not that we should pretend this isn't just back and forth between TIP parents and district staff.

Comparing salary per student is obviously meaningless for different jobs.. are you going to extend the same logic to our teachers who teach a measly 25 students per year? To be honest I'm not sure exactly all that Dr. King has done to qualify him as one of the highest paid superintendents in the entire county. But I do know that Deborah Hazelton has worked tirelessly from the start, taking on the responsibility of several jobs to make the school successful for our children.

The parents of the additional 300 students on the TIP waiting list obviously thought the EUSD-provided education their kids were currently receiving was lacking. Now the EUSD has removed their ability to voice their concerns in such a direct way.

The article states the district claims it was reluctant to close the school. This is nonsense. They are positively delighted to have an excuse to close the independent school and prevent any more parents from choosing it over the schools they control. Just look for one genuinely regretful comment from a district official.

to to to to tax money wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:30 PM:Where did to to tax money (or to tax money, or anyone) "accuse 270 children and their parents of being raving and ignorant"??????

school wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:54 AM:Really? You are still going to defend the Hazeltons? You are right on one point. They did work tirelessly....to deceive us, to lie to us, and to sneak off without a word of apology for what they did. I would never be able to support them again. Have fun at their private school.

wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:14 AM:Where are they getting the money and materials to start this school?

Try It Out Day wrote on Aug 16, 2008 4:02 PM:So, Mike, Debbie, Lisa
How did try-it-out day go?
Anyone dumb, I mean "gifted" enough to show?
I hear it was a big flop.
Now, at last you might feel a little of the pain the rest of the TIPsters are going through this week, all thanks to you and your greed.
Any chance of an appology any time soon?

try it out day not wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:38 PM:so no one showed up? any tip teacher other then lisa is working for them? if no kids, then who is paying the rent?

Encintas wrote on Aug 18, 2008 1:10 PM:You can have it...

I wonder... wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:32 AM:...why is it that "Tipsters" are happy that others have found a good educational match for their children at local schools but others are angry that TIP parents have found a solution for their kids outside of the system?

Charter law was specifically designed to allow a pro rata share of education tax dollars to be diverted to alternative education models. Those tax dollars belong to charter parents just as much as anyone.

to I wonder wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:37 PM:Who is unhapply about Tipsters finding peace and happiness? Stop whinning about the poor me or why me(TIP). We hope you find happiness for what you're seeking for. As they say, prophet Hazelton is the savior! Good luck and be happy with the prorata share of tax dollars that have already wasted! :)
Oh by the way, may be your spy "mo" is gonna save you!

Poor Encinitas wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:28 PM:So - to "To Poor Encinitas" ...  You still don't see the rather blatant "meanness" of the anti-TIP posts on this blog?  Need some glasses?  That they might actually be EUSD employees (or your neighbors) should scare you.  After they've chewed on the bones of TIP, who will they go after next?

Sorry, but you do have some nasty people in your community and we are all seeing it.

To poor encinitas wrote on Aug 21, 2008 9:17 AM:Stop whinning!
By the way what's up with the Hazeltons and Delphi Academy of San Diego?