Greg in Oceanside wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:25 PM:Bravo, the City of Oceanside is finally looking into the issue of overcrowding and possibly dealing with it, something that is long overdue. Go into the neighborhoods of Eastside, Crown Heights or Mesa Margarita, and it's glaringly obvious there are too many people crammed into the small homes and apartments. There are cars parked on front lawns, side yards and on every available space on the streets. There are illegal garage conversions, and room additions that are clear signs that overcrowding is a problem. Take Crown Heights for example, there are passenger vans lining both sides of Division Street, clearly used to transport the many migrants who live in the neighborhood. Eastside and Mesa Margarita have several homes with garage conversions and homes with cars parked on lawns.

Overcrowding is a result of several things, but is due in large part by our burgeoning immigrant population, who oftentimes live with extended families, and/or rent rooms to other immigrants. One thing we ignore is the homes that have adult children still living at home when they should have moved out long ago. Maybe this is a cultural phenomenon, but I think it's a by-product of the scholastic under-achievement and the high dropout rate that is so pervasive in the Latino community. Subsequently, too many Latino adult children are either not gainfully employed, or are in low-skilled jobs and cannot afford to live on their own.

Both of these scenarios are socio-economic realities that are the main underlying causes of overcrowding. The city code enforcement officers will have their hands full trying to correct the problem, something that has gotten increasingly worse over the past couple decades. The time is now to deal with overcrowding, which will produce other benefits such as reduction of gangs, crime and violence.

Lofty Grove wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:33 PM:Sanchez is so out of touch, there are no “mini dorms.” There are a bunch of garages converted into rooms, (including the attics) and even have people living on trailers on track homes. Some of the trailers even have add-ons like Tijuanita shacks, and a bunch of cactuses around the fences with pit bulls guarding. One house was just rated about 2 months ago with drugs by Vista sheriffs and there are still living there. Have any of these counsel members ever heard of the words, “illegal immigration?” Sorry Feller your heart should be breaking for us the homeowners that have to live under these conditions. Get on with the program and start taking care of the Oceanside citizens and taxpayers.

Juanita wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:41 PM:Thank GOODNESS this is finally being addressed!! There are REASONS building safetly codes exist! But I don't understand why 'addressing it can be tricky!" Why is it legally enforaceable except for a population of immigants? Why does the law pertain to everyone EXCEPT one specific population? I live in Crown Heights, and it's gone from bad to worse. It's NOT tricky! Start issuing citations and get my neighborhood cleaned up!

They wrote on Aug 14, 2008 9:49 PM:are taking over.

they should... wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:02 PM:have started attacking these issues County wide years ago, during the big build up of the cost of homes and zero-down mortgage loans, banks were writing and okaying loans to people who in the REAL world could in no-way afford the loans they were taking out, as the costs go up, they've often resorted to bringing extended family, other families, and boarders to help pay the over-inflated payments, these extra "residents" take up parking on the streets, and the homes and neighborhoods start going downhill.
Now if any municipality wants to enforce their City Codes, they risk being accused of going after certain ethnic groups, calls of profiling and rascism, simply because they are attempting to enforce codes that should have been adhered to, rather then being ignored.

freeze wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:19 PM:Would ICE please raid some of these neighborhoods?!?!?

havent you paid attention wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:34 PM:Code Enforcement have said themselves they have no legal means to enforce.

So why are they CALLED Code Enforcement????


In my country illegally? Get the hell out!!!!

my city wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:39 PM:The city should go in to some of these hovels and cite as many people as possible, but I think we also have to recognize that we're partly responsible for creating this mess. The 1950s ideal of single-family homes on 1/8-acre lots isn't always realistic nowadays. Why don't we burn down one of these neighborhoods and replace the houses with three- and four-story apartment buildings?

good luck with that... wrote on Aug 14, 2008 10:55 PM:good luck with that...its so difficult to enforce those rules. They look great on paper but in the real world they can't really be enforced.

Typical scenario, multi-families (and annoying dogs) living in single-family home. How are you gonna prove that? Ask them? Sure, they'll tell you what they're doing...HA HA HA.

Other than the talking to the owners/renters, what's the city going to do? People are under no obligation to show code inspectors identification or prove their residency. What if they just walk away when the inspector shows up and come back after he/she leaves? How are the officials going to know who belongs where?

From my experience living NEXT to such a place, you're just swimming upstream trying to use the codes to enforce such requirements. The city code guys get tired of dealing with it after awhile, your neighbors figure out who's complaining and the sheriff's dept is useless in such situations. Do what I did...MOVE! I know that's not much of an option but at least I have peace of mind now.

Yeah write all the rules...they don't mean squat if they're not enforced. If its any consolation, I was reading some history book a while back and I read about some guy who was sick of his Irish neighbors because they had multiple families in a single family apartment...back in the 1800's. So we're not the first to deal with this issue.

AT wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:01 PM:This is an issue in Temecula as well - I don't think it's even being talked about.

This problem will only get worse.

Long Overdue wrote on Aug 14, 2008 11:55 PM:I guess it has to hit rock bottom before the council finally acts. Better late than never. I've lived in Oceanside for 25 years and I don't want to move, but we are starting to look like Escondido and Santa Ana - overrun by poor "immigrant" families who probably shouldn't be here in the first place. I've hear too many stories of what happens to the children when you mix a bunch of kids and a bunch of adult men in a 3 BR house. Take a guess.

Borderraven wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:22 AM:Note the word "complaints". Many city council and police are "complaint-driven". If their are no complaints, there must not be a problem. But, a complaint during city council, may or may not get attention. Written complaints, with attached documents, mailed via registered mail, return receipt requested, get action.

Dave wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:20 AM:ICE could start with the house next to me. When you have 6 vehicles and so many kids you can't count and the grandma...and of course they all are brothers,sisters, aunts and uncles so they all look alike. I swear there are 3 families in there.

Ray wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:39 AM:About six years ago I was working security at an Oceanside apartment complex, I had to enter the unit due to a skunk problem. When I entered, I could walk from room to room without my feet touching the floor. I counted "42" beds in a two bedroom apartment. I feel ALL cities and the county should enact ordinances that limit occupancy in dwellings.

In the pockets wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:27 AM:Because KFC are in the developers pockets, Oceanside has become the RENTAL capital of North County. More homes = more opportunities for investors/second property owners to come in and not give a * who or how many live in their rentals. That is what is happening in the row homes downtown too. Build, build and build KFC and yes, crowds will come. This is your doing.

bugs wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:34 AM:It's about time North County cities have opened their eyes to the deterioration of whole neighborhoods because of overcrowding. It appears the only way, as adopted by dozens of California cities, to curtail the overcrowding is through restricted parking. Cities can make parking in front, rear and side yards a violation of code. Do it. Enforce it. California law allows cities to ban overnight on-street parking. Do it. Enforce it.

Lady wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:10 AM:FINALLY... ALL Oceanside neighborhoods are looking like this. I live near the border of Oceanside/Vista real bad here. I too have made complaints of cars being parked on front yards. As we all know we pay real high property taxes,for what to look like TJ. Some days can't even park my own car as,NO where to park in front of my own house. And the up keep on these homes is discussting... It's bringing us ALL down,as mentioned on here. HURRY up Oceanside,who are suppose to be in charge...

political ploy wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:16 AM:This and the shopping cart problem are not new problems or issues for this council. People have been complaining of these problems and others for years. It is called grandstanding before an election. Feller and Rocky are looking for issues that really irk citizens and use Kern as their frontman. The Escondido Council have been adressing these same issues and many others associated with the illegal immigration and overcrowding. Kudos to Escondido council for listening to their legal citizens. Our council is more focused on taking care of Mitsubishi/Robertsons and Asphalt companies. Oh lets not forget the Surf Museum and other redevelopment giveaways. The millions of dollars of redevelopment money is bieng diverted from your neighborhoods to downtown while our areas suffer. Redevelopment needs to pay back the millions it owes to be used to hire more code enforcement officers and other services.
We basically gave the Surf Museum a million dollars in a recent council giveaway. So don't be tricked by this council it is just political grandstanding before an election or maybe Rocky, Jerry or Jack might have acquired one of those overcrowded homes in their neighborhood.

Yeah Right wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:24 AM:Face it folks, if our cities were really concerned about taking care of this problem they could do so in the snap of their fingers. If any of these properties were located on the street of a mayor or councilperson I bet the laws could be enforced before the lowlifes living there could unpack their duffel bag.

Jean in Vista wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:33 AM:BRAVO TO OCEANSIDE......
When is Vista going to get off their butts & tackle this same problem? Been happening here for years. Why bother to have & pay for a Code Enforcement Dept.? Multi-families continue to live in R-1 zoned neighborhoods, trailers & cars parked on lawns, permanent debris & trash in yards---you name it! City regulations forbid all this but they remain, in spite of complaints made to the City.
P.S.
Esther Sanchez has her head in the sand if she thinks these are mostly students in "mini-dorms."

whatta mess wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:38 AM:this went on for so long and now it's a disater. Now it's too big of a problem to get a handle on. Poor California- it used to be such a great place to live. Now we're becoming more like Mexico is so many ways. Sad.

Posturing wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:44 AM:Thank you councilmember’s for addressing this problem.
I hope this is not just posturing before elections.
With Escondido attacking the problem, if they are successful which I am pulling for, the people causing the overcrowding will move to other north county cities and it will get worse.
Don’t fall back on the old excuse, “it’s regulated by the state or federal government”, we will not buy into that political safety net of yours anymore.
We are sooooo sick of that excuse, so don’t even mention it again.
Bold action is required to solve this problem and without it, well your time is up.
Start supporting your legal citizens and stand firm against the state and federal lunatics’ who didn’t have the foresight to recognize what their do-nothing policy on immigration has done to this country.

postal outrage wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:45 AM:Wow! I really feel for the resident who has been threatened with no postal delivery, when she has no control over it! I don't understand how the post office can refuse to deliver to her when it's not even her vehicles parked in front of the box! If the post office can refuse to deliver based on that, then it should be illegal to park in front of a mailbox, and cars that do should be ticketed/towed at the (vehicle) owners expense! That's outrageous!

The city wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:51 AM:Shouldn't the city be issuing tickets for cars parked in front of mailboxes? I thought it was only legal to have 2 people per room per home in most cities. Something has to be done about the overcrowding. It's not just the immigrants that are living like this. My (white)next door neighbor who is from Kentucky had his brother and his 2 kids living in a camper in the back yard. The brother and his children left weeks after we confronted them about the smell of marijuana coming from their camper.The yard also looks like a junk yard! There are too many people converting their garages illegaly becuase it's just too expensive for them to do it legally. These people should be fined.

Support Oceanside wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:58 AM:How many would support North County cities against lawsuits to solve this out of control immigration that is destroying this country. I for one am willing to support our city of Oceanside in fighting this with a minimum of $100 to a the city defense fund.
Anyone else??????????
Dave from Oceanside

Vista Granny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:59 AM:Everyone is blaming illegal immigration and lack of law enforcement. Isn't it just slightly possible that the high rents are causing some of this? There is an affordable housing shortage for goodness sakes. Yes, the immigrant workers pool their rent money and overcrowd neighborhoods, but that is NOT the sole reason for this mess.

USAMexico wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:03 AM:The problem described above is what we see in Mexico today. We are losing our country.

What people don't realize is that San Diego will NOT be a desirable place in 10 years. We'll be just like LA. Okay to visit but wouldn't want to live there.

Things are not what they used to be and things will only get worse.

Have a great day! :)

Just So You Know wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:09 AM:We have a similar situation in our neighborhood. 1200 sq ft 2 b/r single story house, and at least 6 adults living there (judging by the six cars that are parked there, not counting the camper shell on blocks in the driveway).

By the way, these people are all white, and by the sound of it during football season, big UCLA fans.

John wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:12 AM:The same federal government that can raid a person's house and SEIZE IT in a drugtrafficiking/manufacturing issue, can't do the same thing for over-crowded homes that are a threats to residents? What is wrong with this picture? An ICE raid in a few set residents would do wonders. Arresting the people who own or rent these "warehouses" would reduce the problem as well.

Bill wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:22 AM:George Bush sent our fighting men and women to Iraq because he said they had weapons of mass destruction!

While these illegals aren't weapons, they are causing mass destruction in our cities, right here in America...right NOW!! and should be dealt with TODAY!!

They ALL need to be removed, NOW!!

The fact that George Bush isn't doing anything about this problem speaks volumes to anyone who can hear.

Is it because there isn't any money in getting rid of these people?

Why aren't they telling us about their lack of action in this matter?

What else aren't they telling us?

It's getting close to the time when we need to stand up for ourselves, like our forefathers did over 200 years ago!!

This is total wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:29 AM:discrimination against Illegal Aliens! Bring in the ACLU! Better yet let me notify them!

If Illegal wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:32 AM:Aliens want 50 people to an apartment, it is their right!

Oceanside wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:35 AM:should consider itself lucky it will soon look like Escondido, could be worse, end up looking like parts of LA. Viva La Raza!!

Seamus X wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:37 AM:Why not just pass a vehicle-limitation ordinance? start charging a burly fee for street parking and/or city registration? Or big fines for yard parking?

I find so many NCT forum users so quickly stoop to baiting Hispanics. I suspect ICE isn't bothering with most of these overcrowding houses because the residents **aren't illegal!** Chill out people, these folks are only guilty of being poor! Wages are low, housing prices are high, and with the housing bubble bursting and rampant foreclosures, you're going to be seeing more and more multi-family whites in the same situation.

There's already channels that diligent neighbors can use to combat loud dogs, parking gone awry, and public health concerns. Take the time and use them!

The whole immigrant-go-home conundrum has been fostered by the rich to separate the middle class from the poor and working class for hundreds of years... don't fall for it.

Vista J wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:49 AM:WAKE UP VISTA !!!!! The problem is TWICE as bad here ! City council candidates - TAKE A STAND !!!

Never was YOUR country wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:53 AM:There is nothing wrong with several people living in one home. This is how we live in other places, you are all just too "snooty" to accept other ways of living. Mind your own business, and YES, I do have a pitbull to keep your type out. It's just a matter of time until you are in the minority.

Please Clean This Up wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:53 AM:As a life-long resident of Oceanside, I have seen neighborhoods go down the tubes with all the illegal (and even legal) immigrants moving in homes four to six families deep. All their cars leak oil and are parked on the front lawn and in front of the home and across the street (seriously, 15 to 20 cars for one home). The street degrades from all the oil, the cars look getto, and it should be illegal for cars to be parked on the front lawn. There's a green house on Maxson Street that is a shining example of this scenario. Property values suffer because of these type of people. I hope and prey our City Council will do something about this. I'm really looking forward to November.

Who cares wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:55 AM:Mind your own business! If people want to have 50 guests living in their house it is none of YOUR business. Get a life, people live like this all over the world so come off your high-horses.

Bill wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:02 AM:Why, in ten years would anyone want to visit SoCal, if nothing is done, when it would be much cheaper to go to Cabo?

Bill less hooch wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:07 AM:Bill, you should not drink so early. But I agree with you on all accounts, and would like to add that Space Aliens live among us, I saw Bigfoot driving a Camaro, and don't even get me started on Soylent Green! Speaking of "mass destruction," I think that's what the drinks did to your reasoning.

sarah wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:26 AM:I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF VINE STREET AND EVERY NIGHT I GET OFF WORK AND TRY TO PARK!!
IN FRONT OF MY OWN HOME, BUT SURE ENOUGH THE FAMILY AND THEIR MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT/HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET HAS ALREADY TAKING MY SPOT WITH THE 10 CARS THEY HAVE!!! ITS OUTRAGOUS!!! THIS PROBLEM SHOULD HAE BEEN TAKING CARE OFF LONG AGO!! THEY HAVE ABOUT 11 ADULTS THERE WITH LIKE 10 KIDS!!! SO SAD!!

Vista are you Listening wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:26 AM:Hey Vista,

Are you listening? It's time you guys started doing the dame thing as Oceanside, although O'side is more concerned about a couple of Tikis carved in homeowner maintained palm trees. I moved from my Vista home of 14 years because of all the overcrowding. Three houses next to us had their garages converted and there were cars parked everywhere. I complained to the HOA but they said that Code Enforcement had to enforce the laws governing this. Code (lack of)Enforcement said it was the HOA who had to step in. Nothing having been done, I relocated to where I no longer have that problem, yet.

I don't care where these people came from, their financial problems or whatever. I just want density laws enforced and code enforcement to do their job.

we wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:29 AM:don't care that people have 20 people living with them, the problem is THeir cars all over MY PROPERTY!!!!

Hey never Was wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:33 AM:Your Country...then stop taking welfare checks paid for by people from this country and go back to yours. I have no problem with multiple families living in one house in YOUR country just not here in the USA. You don't like our laws? You are FREE to LEAVE whenever you want. Just don't let that swinging gate at the border hit you in the a**.

Environmentalist wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:36 AM:Environmentalist wake up, this overcrowding is destroying Mother Earth.

Joe wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:40 AM:Wow!!! As an Oceanside resident for 24 years in the Whelan Ranch area I have seen the downfall in front of my own eyes. My neighbor has someone living in her garage, she rents two rooms, probably 10 people living in a 3 bedroom house, none speak English. Too many!! It is demographics, urban California will be a 3rd world country within 2 decades!!!

Finally wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:53 AM:looks like a O'side councilperson had the same thing happen to them as has happened to the rest of us. There goes the neighborhood. Its time our 'officials' start doing their jobs, this includes code enforcement. No warnings, just take action. and stop lying and making excuses. Either do your job or start looking for a new one. Notice that the cities have no problem writing tickets for the street sweepers so they can address the parking problems-if they wanted to. & NO, my moving is not an option.

Environmentalist wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:07 AM:don't care there are 50 people in apartment, taking 50 showers everyday, flushing the toliets at least 50 times a day. The environmentalist don't care that most of these cars are on their last legs and spew forth pollution daily. No Envirnomentalism is I am sorry to say, is just a fad, just the right cause to be envolved in at the moment.

Just Do it wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:11 AM:I really don't understand why this has become such an issue in San Diego. I've owned rental properties in other cities and states, both single family homes and multi-family apartment buildings. We had occupancy codes based on the square footage, number of bedrooms and bathrooms limiting the number of people and animals allowed to live there. Most of the time, it was to protect antiquated sewage systems. It protected the land owner as well because most of the time we paid for water and obviously 12 people living in a home or apartment use way more water than a family of four. Occupancy laws protect everyone except the people who want to create mini-dorms. I cannot understand why it is so hard for Escondido and Oceanside to institute such restrictions. And, the cities and states I've had rental properties in were not plagued by illegal aliens, so there was no charge of targeting one ethnicity...

Floyd wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:13 AM:What everyone seems to be missing in this whole discussion is the fact that only 9% of county residents can afford a median-priced home. It's no wonder that families have to double-up and triple-up (...and so on...) to make ends meet. More homes are needed, not more regulations!

Political posturing... wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:23 AM:if this is truly political posturing and nothing more than an attempt to gain votes, then I am truly saddened by the lack of morality and values of the people sitting in council seats.

The person who fixes the problem in a timely, permanent manner will get my vote. No fix, No vote.

As voters we can control who sits in government. If you don't like what is happening, then do something. Don't just mouthe off here. Be proactive instead of reactive.

DO THE MATH wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:35 AM:Most of our cities in SD County have moderate to severe overcrowding issues.
A study last year found that there are about 250,000 illegal aliens hiding in our county. Out of 3 million total. That's 1 out of every 12 people living here is here without PERMISSION. Just think if all those folks decided to become law-abiding citizens and return to their home countries. Overcrowding problem SOLVED. Water shortage prolem SOLVED. Traffic gridlock SOLVED. Wake up people. Many of our problems are caused by mass illegal immigration, overcrowding, and over population (guess who have 4 times more children than Americans?). Lets try enforcing ALL the laws and see if our communities improve a little. I'll bet you 1000 pesos things get a lot better real quick! They already are in places like Esconidido where they are cracking down.

how about wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:46 AM:having people apply for parking permits for their address? They do this in alot of residential areas in Los Angeles. If youdon't have a permit, you can only park for 2 hours, something like that. They should be interviewed and have the proprty checked out and if they are living according to the law, they get a permit. If not, they have to park somewhere else and walk to the house. they are really bringing property value down and not pying their fair share of taxes and other city/county charges for sewer, trash pick-up, etc...It needs to stop and be cleaned up. Give the neighborhoods back to the honest, clean-living people.

Paz wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:12 AM:"One north Oceanside resident, who asked not to be named, told the North County Times on Thursday that at least nine men live in the home across her street." Since she did not want to named than her opinion does not count!!!
"It's like a flophouse," she said." Once again how can we believe her story when she refuses to be named!!!! "
The post office has threatened to stop delivering her mail because cars are constantly parked in front of her mailbox, she said." I doubt if that is true she whoever she is Mrs. ? is probably exaggerating!! Since we don't know who she is her story can't be corroboerated I will just consider it a lie. "Bring on the ordinance," she said. "I'm so ready for it." Who is "she"? "Cutting edge" What? Where has Jack Feller been this whole time he has been serving on the City Council? Cutting edge what a joke. His heartaches for those children, sure it doesm that is why he would prefer that they be homeless rather live in overcrowded conditions.

Jeff M wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:14 AM:I love the way Tenbroeck nuances language per NC Times requirements:
"Many California cities are struggling with overcrowding, which is often linked to the immigration issue." THE IMMIGRATION ISSUE? What is that supposed to mean Craig?? Here are some alternatives for you Craig that will actually educate the reader without liberal bias:
1)"Many California cities are struggling with overcrowding, which is often linked to the ILLEGAL immigration issue."
2)"Many California cities are struggling with overcrowding, which is often linked to the FACT THAT THERE ARE MANY ILLEGAL ALIENS LIVING 4 FAMILIES TO AN APARTMENT IN VIOLATION OF ORDINANCES"
3)"Many California cities are struggling with overcrowding, which is DUE IN LARGE PART TO the INFLUX OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
Craig, any of the above revisions would be more journalistically and contextually accurate and INFORMATIVE. But then, it's really not about informing, it's about supporting the NC Times' AGENDA.

Worker wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:14 AM:People who do this have no class. They are turning this area into a filthy crime infested ghetto. Look at Tijuana- what a wonderful job they have done with that beautiful city.

Jeff M wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:17 AM:Once again, for journalistic accuracy, as defined by law, ILLEGAL ALIENS are not IMMIGRANTS. They are criminals inside our borders in violation of US Federal Statutes. Using the term "immigrant" in the context of this article, is an insult to LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.

to everyone wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:20 AM:I am a resident of Oceanside that happens to live around the pier. To be exact on Tremont St. Way before they started building all these new beach condos I already had problems with the houses around me that are mainly rented/ owned by WHITE people being overcrowded. As you may already know these homes are maybe 1100 sq feet each and they have about 3 families in them because they want beach view. Way TOO many cars for our street with these extra bodies in these homes. To make matters worse the movie theatre makes parking on my street almost impossible sometimes. Stop trying to blame all overcrowding on LATINOS. They are not the only ones over populating our homes or cities. People always want to point he finger to latinos when *hit hits the fan. Mostly every home or apartment has one to many people in there.

Help for Sarah wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:25 AM:Sarah I understand that residents in the Loma Alta Mission Park neighborhoods in Oceanside had a similar problem to yours regarding apartment cars taking up the residential streets. I believe they have some sort of permit parking system that limits the cars the residents have on the street and keeps the apartment dwellers off. You may want to check with the City of Oceanside Traffic Department or your OCNA neighborhood group of what you can do. Don't give up. There is a solution hopefully.

fyi wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:29 AM:To all of you complaning about no parking in front of your property just so you know you dont own the street it belongs to the city so any one can park if front of your house. check the blue print. But it would be a courtesy if they didnt

reverse racism wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:30 AM:When America looks at third world countries it is easy to identify the problem of low expectations. We lament how the people in those countries are clueless. We do not have to accept the same fate for America because our so called leaders will not enforce code restrictions because of reverse racism. If the massive influx of illegal immigrants who were destroying quality of life in those neighborhoods was spread equally between different races and different countries there would be no question that we would halt the practice. The only reason we don't enforce them is because people are afraid of being called racists since the current problem is largely eminating from one ethnicity. We don't have to accept our country becoming a third world country like Mexico. Either enforce immigration laws or enforce codes, or both. Our so called leaders are gutless hand wringers who are selling out this once great nation to political correctness.

Godzilla wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:32 AM:Amazing, were told to conserve water (I've been doing that for about 30 yrs) and LA will have a guy in a Prius driving around giving out tickets if you water during the day, but you can have a clown house next door with 30 people in it using as much water as you would use in one year, in one month.
Somethings gotta give and its not gonna be pretty.

To Floyd wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:35 AM:Sorry Floyd, I put too much of my life into my house to see its value get dragged down the sewer.
My house is part of my retirement savings and I take it personally when some group of invaders wrecks my net worth.

So Cal Native wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:41 AM:Too late, we already have taken back what was stolen from us. Just wait another 50 years and see who is in power politically. It has already started.

Immigration Foes and Allies wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:47 AM:The anti and pro illegal immigration are muddying this topic. We are talking about overcrowding in Oceanside and not Vista. Immigration is a federal responsibility and we all know what a bang up job the feds have done. So don't waste time, energy or space debating the pros and cons of illegal immigration. Lets stay focused on the problem. The problem is overcrowding and lack of parking in Oceanside. Other cities like Vista, you need to put the pressure on your council to come up with a solution. Ask your candidates in Vista what they plan to do. Us citizens in Oceanside are going to get some straigt talking out of our candidates this election. No more appeasement . However I do feel now that Feller and Chavez are acting like the Mexican political parties where they promise the voters everything and then do nothing after elected. They have known about this problem for years . Why months before the election do they bring it up.
They notice they are losing in the polls and have to stir up a hot topic. Ask Feller why he has not done anything about citizens complaints for the last 4 years.

Dr Lee wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:54 AM:This is a Health issue and the county health department will look at this if you will file a complaint for unheathy living conditions,
The cities Planning dept has zoning ordinances For "SINGLE FAMILY RESIDANCE". These people are over loading the infrastructure, sewage treatment plant, traffic schools, Hospitals are over loaded thats why the failures as of latley. Like the problem spillage every other week, high drop out rates,graffiti,shootings, Meth.it wasn't like this in the 70's in 84' Reagan gave amnisty to the Mexicans and that was the start, look back in recent history and you;ll see the time line. the only difference is the growing illegal immagrants coming from Mexico

There is nothing wrong wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:55 AM:with our system. There is something wrong with the Hispanic/Latino communities and culture that believe it is OK to have more than one family in a house. They want to live here but they want US to adapt to them. It is time to make some TOUGH laws and enforce them. They are ruining our country and our way of life.

Schools are crowded wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:00 AM:The schools are not built to teach that many children coming out of each house. It is a massive problem and the laws should be inforced.

secure our borders wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:08 AM:illegal immigrants are destroying our
economy and country

Linda wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:16 AM:I had been wondering for the longest time when the politicians in this city were going to take notice regarding this issue. There is a house across the street from me where they are renting out every room in the house including the living room and the dining room as bedrooms. Along with all of these tenants comes a car for each one. They are always parked in front our house. They are old, run down cars and they leak oil on the street. On the other hand, there are houses where it's obvious that illegal immigrants are living there. There are 10-12 people living in these houses and the owners are even renting out the garages as living quarters. These people also come with many children which is putting more stress on our public schools. I'm glad my children are already through the public school system in Oceanside.

GMN wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:17 AM:LE perspective: Multiple families or residents living under one roof have higher rates of crime (i.e. domestic violence, battery, petty/grand theft, CHILD MOLESTATION, etc...). There is a lack of accountability when you have strangers living in the next bedroom over. Protect yourself and your family members. ENFORCE CITY/STATE CODES!!!!

OCEANSIDE GANGBUSTER ON YOUTUBE wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:29 AM:Uhh, you mean eight cars per house is not normal?

Folks the Border Patrol has a name for these houses wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:57 AM:They are called Load Houses! They are usually filled with illegals! Or extended families of Mexicans who have had anchor baby children here and brought their cousins over as well! making the garage a living space. No building permits of course and chickens and rooster crowing in the back yards! Either way it is another drain on the American Taxpayers.

Signed Mexican American

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:09 PM:Some people have posted comments stating that "it's none of our business" or that "if people want to have 50 or so roommates it's their right." I beg to differ. There are ZONING LAWS prohibiting these sorts of living conditions and arrangements for a reason. Public health is one of the biggest reasons for zoning laws. Our sewer, water, roadways, and electric power infrastructure were constructed to handle a specific load. Public and educational institutions are built based on current and projected population density.

Health concerns that are one of the biggest reasons for zoning laws. Having too many human beings in one residential neighborhood creates a breeding ground for infection and facilitates the spread of disease. (I can only imagine the filth and unsanitary conditions that exist in overcrowded residences.)

If those who are against zoning laws look at third world countries they'd see why we have laws in place. We don't want to turn into Mexico or any other country that allows overcrowding or has no zoning laws. Economic disparity is no excuse, and if people are too poor to live in an area, or can't live within the law they need to find alternative places to live or face the consequences.

And, since many illegal immigrants work under the table (cash and carry), and don't pay taxes, they still use our public roadways and streets at no cost to them. Yet taxpaying citizens are inconvenienced or unable to utilize the resources they help pay for.

What city code enforcement officials need to do first is attack the problem of illegal garage conversions, room additions, and parking on front lawns and yards. Parking on yards allows hazardous fluids from vehicles to pollute our ground water. Paving front yards doesn't allow water to soak into the ground and forces sewer systems to handle more runoff.

Then they need to address the public health issue of trash and junk that exists on people's yards. On-street parking needs to be restricted and controlled. In the city I grew up, on-street parking was prohibited from midnight to 6 AM. We didn't have multiple families living in one home and most people had garages and no more than two cars (generally). While the City of Oceanside shouldn't be in the business of being a 'homeowners association' they need to have parallel limitations and restrictions.

As a taxpaying homeowner in Oceanside, I want to see action before my property value diminishes any further.

loup wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:12 PM:a complete no brainer. I think the city of Oceanside has begun taking steps to attack certain problem aggressively and it has undoubtedly worked. The citizens are fed up with endless red tape and all the he-said-she-said BS that has hampered progress in this community for so long. Rudy Giuliani in NY was extremely aggressive and they made some mistakes, but the bottom line that no one can argue with is the entire city of NY was completely transformed into a global destination because of there aggressive crackdown on illegal activity/over crowding/drugs/gangs/etc.

Michael wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:14 PM:There is something wrong with our immigration system!!! It is not working!! So you are wrong if you think this is just a Latino/Hispanic/Mexican issue. We need to urge our representatives to inact legislation to fix our immigration system. To Oceanside Gangbuster even law enforcement officers think you are nuts get a grip on yourself man. This is all just a political move on behalf of Jack Feller. He is so desperate to win he will make people homeless. I don't think this will work as more people take a human approach to this situation. I don't think he will garner any additional support by doing this.

... wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:23 PM:Well, It's time for the citizens of this once beautiful and prosprous state to take it back from the liberal democrats.I am born and raised in so cal. This place is turning to a third world cesspool while the dems are the almighty enablers. If you vote dem, we don't want to here your blog here about the very things YOUR reps are causing.

Old Time Oceansider wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:26 PM:While local colleges may be experiencing increased enrollment, Esther Sanchez mentions "mini-dorms" as if students are flocking to Oceanside and is the crux of the problem. Actually, I think she's trying to keep the heat off of her old neighbors in Eastside, many of whom are guilty of illegal garage conversions and who park cars on their lawns.

Does anyone remember the day when Eastside and Mesa Margarita were nice neighborhoods and didn't have those walled-off front yards, with the wrought-iron, some of which are now paved over? These neighborhoods look more like TJ than Oceanside.

maybe West Nile virus wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:30 PM:or something will one day take care of all this over-population. Nature has a way of doing that with diseases...we are certainly over-populated these days!!

Please people wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:32 PM:I am an immigrant, I am in this country legally. Please, please don't insult immigrants when refering to ILLEGAL ALIENS as immigrants. Thank you.

Oceanside Landlord wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:41 PM:Having government telling property owners what to do with their property is something liberals, America haters and Commies, do, right conservative Republicans on this board? After all, we don't want Oceanside to become the People's Republic of Santa Monica now do we?

To Please People wrote on Aug 15, 2008 12:50 PM:Legal or immigrant, everyone in the U.S. is an illegal alien except the Native American Indains.PERIOD!

Sassy and Cute wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:12 PM:Well you think living next to Latinos with multi families is bad try living next to White teakers making noise all night and having all their friends coming and going, having roaches as pets and broke down cars parked all around the house. I think I rather live next to the Latinos at least they have huge parties and invite you over to enjoy the great food, and clean up after themselves.

To To please people wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:19 PM:and who gave the right to American Indians, or are you going to try that old story they have always been here. Riiiigggghhhhtt! Next you will be telling us the earth is flat, grow up!

To Gregster wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:25 PM:You're funny!!! "As a taxpaying homeowner in Oceanside, I want to see action before my property value diminishes any further." Property values will diminish because of the housing crisis we are facing. I am a tax paying citizen and I do feel that it is the fault of people who are just trying to make it. I think our government has caused this. We have so many other things going wrong in the world, inflation, recession, gas prices, unemployment, etc. I guess you will find a way to blame the illegals for that too, huh?

Funny Story wrote on Aug 15, 2008 1:34 PM:So I'm looking at these little condo/townhome duplex things out by the back gate, thinking that one might be a good investment. Thing sold to a hispanic for about $300K about two years ago on a 80/20 fully financed, adjustible rate, really bad loan. When I looked at it, it was bank owned, and was listed for like $150K, with no takers. It's a 2 bedroom, 1 bath place of about 800sqft. As I'm going through counting bedrooms, I get the back of the house, and it's really a 5 bedroom, 2 bath place. I'd never seen an 800sqft, 5 bedroom, 2 bath home before. Turns out not only was the garage a room, the patio had been enclosed, and another bathroom added. All it was missing was the pay-laundry! Which I actually saw in the garage of another similar place, right next to the mattress of the dude sleeping on the floor. Very eye opening stuff.

Same story as funny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:03 PM:My daughter is shopping for a house. One had three entraces and you could not get from one "apartment" to the other without going outside. Another a short sale, she was not allowed to see the garage or two bedrooms because they were being rented.
To Gregster: gas prices are said to be high because of demand. Unemployment hmmm could it be that 20 million plus illiegals could contribute to that problem. Illegals are a problem!!! Why even file for papers anymore? I've gone through the process and it's expensive and very frustrating. I feel I am the dummy!!!

To Who Cares wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:06 PM:You need to get over it! We Americans don't want to live in squalor like the rest of the world. If you can't accept this, go join your comrades in Mexico.

Still too focused wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:07 PM:You are all still to focused on a broad problem pitting illegals and illegal supporters against the anti- illegal crowd. Face it whether Obama or McCain get elected they are going to legalize millions more people who paid no attention to our laws. Perhaps tax-paying legal American citizens should do what the illegals do all the time. Don't pay attention to our system of laws since people from other countries don't . To send a message to the Federal and State governments we need to stop paying our income and state taxes. Why should we pay? Our taxes were supposed to support our effort to stem Illegal immigration . We all know that did not work. So back to Oceanside's problem. Let us Oceansiders try to correct our problems with our local government process since federal and state our worthless. All the other verbage is a waste of effort. Its the same debate we have had for years.

To Same story as funny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:21 PM:So your daughter is taking advantage of anothers hardship, nice. No the illegals have nothing to with the unemployment problem it is the economy that is causing all the layoff and then there is outsourcing also. As far as "I feel I am the dummy!!!" You said it not me.

SK wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:25 PM:About time! About 12 years ago, a child drowned in pool in s. Oceanside. The little boy was the child of wealthy couple, realtors, who used the house for their nanny and the owner refused to do anything about the fact that nanny had about 15 people living in that house, most of them not related and most were not legal. It was like a party house with loud music and beer. All of the neighbors tried to get somebody to do something! The child was staying there with "nanny" no one noticed the child in the pool until it was too late. Despite the fact that Marshall pool was one block away with plenty of people who knew CPR, they didn't seek help in time.

Same story as funny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 2:31 PM:Thank goodness the empty house are being filled with tax payers that actually pay enough for the services provided!! Four people in a single family home sounds like a better deal than the 25 people in there before. Being young she could not buy a home before because of the inflated prices that were paid for these mini apartments. I guess she could have bought one in 2005 and loaded it with renters and maybe even made a profit,nice. Are you against immigration done legally? Sounds like it to me.

To Same story as funny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:06 PM:Tell me exactly how immigration is done legally? Would you include mail order brides as legal method of immigration? Well I don't I think both parties involved in that practice are immoral, desperate, and just down right disgusting!!! I just can't see marrying someone just to come to this country. Excuse me please but I must go take a shower.

FTM wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:13 PM:Complaints are the best way to keep up the pressure. Each person should copy and paste thier comments and forward to the email addresses of the councilmembers on the oceanside home page. Constant complaining got us better police and constant complaining will get us better code enforcement - yes - some things will not work but keep up the pressure folks and I promise you the problem will get much much better.

People wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:19 PM:Stop Complaining and get a Positive Plan together and help our City Council.

All you do is complain rather than sticking your nose out to help get the ball rolling.

Make changes that benefit the Positive Role in Humanity...not back to the 1950's of racial slurs...

Help not War people cheese and rice

Seriously wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:23 PM:Do something and get changes get involved rather than complain.

Make a difference, be glad you dont' have to live cramped like the others looking for prosperity in America.

Dude..seriously people just issue a simple law like san diego - No cars parked over 2 nights in a row, blocking mail services..is a federal crime...and

Oh ya Flippen A- People pull your nasty selfish comments and get real.

Don't point fingers when all your kids have thier own rooms..These humans want the same thing...show some sympathy...do more than complain. Help the set up more afordable housing...YOU all should be ashamed of these comments..

FTM wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:35 PM:I hope you don't just complain...

Do you get involved with or for Change??

Is this really the best use of time?
Its like you want things changed...

But you send in your complaints, council reads them, council meets, council asks City Staff to do research on what can be done....and then its back to voting again...and then who know what the vote will be on and with our council...its the most ridiculous solution..

Especially with Feller talking...

Same story as funny wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:41 PM:Immigration done legally is by having a Visa and enter legally and file for papers. Not everyone that marries someone from a foreign country does it for the reason you state. What made you so hateful as to attack to me personally? Does this sentence make any sense? ( Well I don't I think both parties involved in that practice are immoral, desperate, and just down right disgusting!!!} then to add you need a shower, you said it not me. Don't look for another response. This is Silly!!!

Another OSide Resident wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:47 PM:Here's the link to Oceanside Code Enforcement. They get a fax from me about once a month and are extremely helpful. If your complaint doesn't get filed, they can't do much about it.
http://www.ci.oceanside.ca.us/Datarelation.aspx?Content=92

crack down now wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:49 PM:The Federal Government turned their back on us, so now it is time we took care of the illegal problem ourselves. The previous poster Dave from Oceanside want’s to donate $100 to fight legal challenges that undoubtedly would occur if we crack down on this problem. I say the fund should be a separate organization that will back Oceanside if they decide to attack this problem, or if Oceanside decides it’s “too tricky “ we use the funds to recall the Mayor and council and force another election until we get people in power to solve this invasion. I myself would donate $1,000.00 for the cause.

Whiners wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:50 PM:Y'all are whiners that don't want people to live in your neighborhood. What's wrong with two or three families living together.

Ya know, that's what is wrong with America today. In this society, if you have familial ties, you are a loser. If you don't, you are a winner. What is wrong with this situation?

There are already codes in place. Enforce them. We don't need new ones.

I don't need someone telling me that I can't have three families living in my home.

What's wrong with students renting houses. Get over it.

To Another Oside Res wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:51 PM:Thanks for the link!

Gene wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:53 PM:To those who live in Vista,help may be on its way. I agree with most of the observations made and I am a candidate for the Vista City Council.Contact me for further info.

Simple wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:56 PM:Communist!

Get a life you complainers!

You can't do much but complain and pick on people trying to survive who happen to live next to your landscape, maid kept homes...

Oh YEAH did you tell council not to deport these illegals, cuz you don't want to loose your maids, and landscapers...

You make a proud 30 yr. old American embarresed of your kind in our country..

Remember We are a Melting Pot Country so get over it all ready.

STOP wrote on Aug 15, 2008 3:59 PM:Stop complaining to council...


Talk to your landlords...FINE THOSE who are the ones who have broken city codes...

Leave the renters alone...you have your nice fat A$$ on the couch and not living cramped leave them alone, and stop the nasty comments you sickO's...


YOu should talk to the SLUM LORDS for letting this happen in the first place...thats who should get fined...for the sake of the renters quality of life.!!! Lower RENT YOU SCHISTERS!

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Aug 15, 2008 4:17 PM:Please Note: "AB 976 prohibits discrimination against non-citizens by cities and landlords.

The Governor signed AB 976 (Calderon) making it illegal for cities to adopt ordinances requiring landlords to check immigration and citizenship status of prospective tenants and prohibiting landlords from requiring tenants to provide documentation of citizenship or immigration status. The bill was introduced by Assemblymember Calderon in response to the nationwide spate of cities, including the City of Escondido adopting ordinances making it illegal for landlords to rent to undocumented tenants." This is State law folks. Cities and counties are PREEMPTED from enacting ordinances governing housing, including zoning the number of occupants in a dwelling! So most of this is political posturing and HOT AIR.

Deanna wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:10 PM:What is it going to take...a hugh fire that will destroy and kill a home full of 25 people, then and only then will any codes be forced...and even then the likes of Sen Feinstein and her liberal friends will still look the other way.
(does anyone know if the Humane Society tickets people for a house full of dogs?)

To Oceansidian wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:14 PM:Complaining is the way to make changes.
So just because some ordinance protects illegal’s is the law for now, the louder we complain the better the chance the law will change.
You don't give up, keep COMPLAINING to your elected officials. Call them, e-mail them, fax them.........

To Keep Complaining Political Dumbness wrote on Aug 15, 2008 5:49 PM:Complaining is not the answer...

Getting Change is part of being a responsible citizen...gettting things changed in a legal, humanity, moral way for all parties to live a quality, prosperous, racial free life is the ONLY WAY TO GO...

Other than that things done in a hateful nature leads to more hate!

YOU COMPLAINERS NEED TO GET REAL.

ALL THIS TOPIC IS IS A STAGE SET UP TO SHOWCASE LOOSER COUNCIL MEMBERS who have run our CITY INTO THE GROUND WITH nonsence FEEL to the public as if they are really making changes...THEY CAN"T ENFORCE ANYthing SINCE FEDERAL LAW STOPS THEM...NOw then

LOWER RENT, AND LOWER YOUR RACIAL COMMENTS AND SHOW SOME MORAL CONCERNS and HEY MAYBE WE CAN ALL PLAY NICELY and learn from one another.

F&%$ if I could have it my way.. I would have my close family living right here with me in my 1200 sq. ft home,

If they were huge 5000 sq. ft homes none of ya all would be complaining.. YOU ARE SUCH A SAD BUNCH OF PEOPLE..

REMEMBER THE VERSES OF THE BIBLE LOVE THEY NEIGHBOR...LEGAL OR NOT.. BE NICE

Buzzm wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:29 PM:DEPORT ALL ILLEGALS!!!

THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!

OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM

#1. Secure the Border!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!

NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!

Gestapo wrote on Aug 15, 2008 6:41 PM:Pretty soon they will be telling us who, where and how to live.

What I like is the two families, each in their own house, that live across my street. Each address has a business in their 3 car garage.

They complain that my kids skateboard -- in their own yard, nonetheless -- and it's too noisy for them to conduct their businesses. PLEASE.

Give me a group of hard working people who cannot make ends meet, living with extended family, any day of the week.

BTW, there is no such thing as reverse discrimination.

Discrimination is just that, discrimination.

Point Of Order wrote on Aug 15, 2008 7:06 PM:The reverse of discrimination is nondiscrimination.

Albert wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:15 PM:No. Reverse discrimination is where those being descriminated against become the ones doing the discrimination.

To Simple wrote on Aug 15, 2008 8:59 PM:Ye Gods! What have you been smoking?

Have you ever seen wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:18 PM:those signs in restaurants, gymnasiums, buses, etc. that state maximum occupancy limits? They are everywhere! Of course there are rules to prevent overcrowding. WHY? Public health and safety is at sake. The laws are there- just enforce them or we'll vote you OUT OF OFFICE, city council. Too many cars parked on narrow streets also prevent emergency vehicles from gaining access to people who need help. If you think this isn't affecting you, you're dead wrong.

Mad-as-Hell wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:23 PM:Bring the troops home, put them on the border.

Bull Dozer wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 PM:Oceanside should condemn all houses that are not following health and saftey rules (overcrowding) and then take them by eminent domain. Then the city can burn them (providing valuable firefighter training),bulldoze and build decent low income housing with parking. The rent money will provide an excellent source of revenue for more police, fire, and services.

simple.... wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:53 PM:Definitions - Single Family Dwelling : Residence housing one family or household. < I haven't seen any 2 or 3 bedroom homes in any neighborhoods that have ever been designated as "multi-family" dwellings > "Multi-Family Dwellings" are apartment complexes, usually designed with adequate parking for 1 or 2 vehicles per apartment, and these apartments still have occupancy restrictions on how many can reside in them.
Illegal: the actions which are not in accordance with the rules, regulations, ordinance, law, statute etc prevailing the land at the time of doing such activity.
Illegal Immigrant : an alien (non-citizen) who has entered the United States without government permission or stayed beyond the termination date of a visa.

to whiner wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:55 PM:It's not just 2 or 3 families living in 1 house, in my neighbors case it's 8 to 10 families based upon the number of cars parked on the lawn in the back yard and on the street. How about the guy living in the tent in the back yard and the other guy living in the lean to shed. It is the people burning their trash in the back yard. It is the guy who was blocking my wife in our driveway and who told her to F- off when she asked him to move so she could get to work. SO I WILL COMPLAIN and I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, do you want to live next to this situation?

Point Of Order wrote on Aug 15, 2008 9:57 PM:Regardless of who is discriminating, it is discrimination. "Reverse" means "opposite". The reverse of discrimination is nondiscrimination.

st generation american wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:18 PM:I was thinking about buying my first home in Oceanside. After searching several areas I was completely disgusted by the neighborhoods. Streets were lined with run down houses (obviously rentals) and there was absolutely no parking. I also noticed that many of these cars jamming the streets had Baja plates. I now have no interest at all buying in O'side. Let it fall into the ocean for all I care.

As a side note: I am 1st generation American (all legally). I can only hope that people don't confuse immigrants with the aliens who refuse to acclimate to the US, refuse to use English, and illegally drive around in gross polluting cars. We are not the same.

getumout wrote on Aug 15, 2008 10:59 PM:I don't care who the 20 people are living in the single family home, I don't care about their national origin, race, sex. I do care that they are degrading the neighborhood and what others have worked hard to have and hold. I do care about the laws they are breaking , the 'other' standard for which they are allowed to live and how my tax dollars are spent. Either have laws or don't, but don't have one set of standards for some and another set for others. IF you do, YOU are the racist and bigit.

VOTE THEM OUT wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:11 PM:It's crystal clear that none of our politicians are doing what they've been hired to do in all levels of government. It's time to vote them out and hire people who want to do the jobs.

It's outrageous that we are giving public assistance to illegals, no questions asked, when there are so many "legals" in need.

I don't understand why our politicians are turning their heads...don't fall for any more promises...it's time for them to go.

real talk wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:27 PM:PUT IT THIS WAY, THE CITY IS BUSY FACING FACTS. WHY DON'T EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU, QUIT COMPLAINING OVER A SCREEN AND BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO STAND UP FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE AND DEMAND A CITY MEETING. YOU ACTUALLY THINK THE MAYOR,CHAZEZ,SANCHEZ,FELLER,ACTUALLY GIVE TWO THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT YOU PEOPLE THINK. WAKE UP! MY FAMILY HAS LIVE IN THIS CITY SINCE THE 1900'S AND WE HAVE SEEN THE CITY THROUGH SOME TIMES. BUT WHEN THE CITY OFFICIALLY WENT " MAINSTREAM" YOU CAN BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR MORE COLD STONES AND "BRAND" NAME PLACES WILL GO UP AND THE CITY MAKES IT EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE TO LIVE IN. YOU PEOPLE THINK IT'S A LATINO THING,QUIT WITH THE NONSENSE AND WAKE UP AND IT'S HAPPENING IN CAVALIER MOBIL ESTATES,IN THE DEEP VALLY,OVER IN TRI CITY,THE MID VALLY BY THE DRIVE IN,SOUTH OCEANSIDE,IT'S EVERYWHERE..AND YOU KNOW WANNA KNOW WHY..THERE'S NO JOBS AND IT'S JUST GONNA GET WORSE. MAKE THE CITY DO SOMETHING AND DON'T LET ANY OF THESE GOOF OFF'S BACK IN THE SEATS NEXT TERM..PLEASE OCEANSIDE,WE ARE A GREAT CITY..STAND UP AND WHEN DID WE DECIDE TO MOVE THE TOP GUN HOUSE,WOW! OCEANSIDE WILL BE OURS AGAIN,DON'T LET THE POLICE OR ANYTHING ELSE INTIMADATE YOU.BE TRUE O'SIDERS AND REALIZE WERE ALL TIED IN SOME HOW.

Honest worker wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:41 PM:People who live like this are stupid low lifes who endanger the health and safety of the neighborhood. When there are too many vehicles parked on narrow streets emergency vehicles can be blocked from getting access. Then people can die from fires, heart attacks, strokes, etc. Yes people can die and it might be one of them.

to Deanna wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:49 PM:There is a limit to the number of domestic animals one can keep on one's property.

You won't get much in the way of an answer from the Humane Society; however, you can write code enforcement a letter.

Check out your local city's codes and ordinances. You might have to google them but they are chock full of info.

Point of Order: You are so correct.

Observer wrote on Aug 15, 2008 11:52 PM:It's not about race or ethnicity. It is about people who are lawbreakers and have no clue about how to live in a civilized society. I guess it's about time to have a big war and reduce the population. That is the only thing people seem to understand.

To same story as funny wrote on Aug 16, 2008 5:53 AM:"San Diego County's jobless rate shot up to its highest level in 13 years last month as mortgage brokers, hardware stores and construction companies continued to slash payrolls in response to the cratering housing market." Front page story in the NCT. You said the illegals were the cause of unemployment please don't tell me that you believe illegals are mortgage brokers, or high level employees anywhere for any company? I have four children and believe me when I say I did not raise them to compete with the illegal workforce. I sent them all to college and they all have a degree and work in the occupations of their choice. I would have failed as a parent if my children were in jeopardy of losing their job to an illegal immigrant because I didn't encourage them to get a degree. If anyone gets laid off from their job it is merely a sign of the times not due to illegal immigration. At the end of your last post you said "this is silly" and you are right your entire premise is silly.

Home Inspector wrote on Aug 16, 2008 6:02 AM:I inspect homes from the border to Los Angeles and am still shocked and dismayed at what I see going on in California. The conditions of many of these homes is a danger and health hazard. Southern California Mayors need to get together and come up with a uniform law to deal with this issue. What matters is that our council is finally recognizing that their is a real problem that must be addressed. If Sanchez can't understand that overcrowding and illegal structures are dangerous then unfortunately this just might be her last term in office. You were elected to serve for the welfare of it's citizens.

Home Inspector wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:10 AM:The jobless rate has shot up mostly due to the mortgage issue. Now citizens and illegal immigrants are competing for the same jobs in many of the construction positions. There is skill and practice needed to construct something right. Some contractors would rather have the cheap labor and not pay workers comp. This has also depressed wages. Might I suggest anyone that hires anyone to do work around your house go to the California Contractors website and enter the contractors number to see if it's valid. I checked several tree trimmers recently before having a tree trimmed and three of them were using someone elses contractor number. This also means no insurance and no workers comp. One showed me fake workers comp papers. Pays to be careful should something go wrong. Cheaper isn't always better in the long run.

To Home Inspector wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:40 AM:Most people don't understand the health hazard that is happening. The illegals certainly don't, seeing where they've come from. Funny things is, they're turning this place into exactly what they left, only here, they have a job and new used F-150!

Trying to put 10 pounds of manure into a 5 pound bag has never worked and never will work!

The hiring of these people over the years is what has caused this. I think anyone, who has ever hired an illegal...even to cut their grass is part of the problem and should be held accountable!

Council Members wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:00 AM:Why did it take you so long???
This same subject has been a topic for 15 years.
Why have you and past councils been wearing blinders? Jerry Kern is on the right track.
Enforce the laws we already have on the books as a beginner and also look into further enforcement in the near future.

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:00 AM:People have posted comments blaming overcrowding on unemployment and lack of jobs. Sure, there's (much needed) economic adjustment that is occurring and people, primarily in the building industry, are out of work. We had too much rapid growth and the economy is paying the price.

Nonetheless, the economy is no excuse for people, and hordes of illegal aliens to overcrowd one home or apartment. These homes are just FLOP HOUSES, plain and simple. And worse, the structure ends up being destroyed or altered beyond recognition with unapproved (and sometimes unsafe) modifications.

Then there are those who want to press the citizens into action, as if there's something we can do. Sure, we can file complaints with the city, but it's still out of our control and in the laps of our elected officials and government employees. Let's give them a chance do their jobs first, and if they don't then we have the opportunity to vote them out come election time.

Albert wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:27 AM:To Point of Order - No. "The reverse of discrimination is nondiscrimination." isn't true.

If you're driving forward in your car and stop and go in reverse, you're still driving (hopefully).

Same with reversing discrimination. It's not stopped, it's still discrimination. It just means it's going the other direction.

That's why it's called "reverse-discrimination" instead of "stopped-discrimination".

It has come to a point wrote on Aug 16, 2008 12:39 PM:I am afraid that the only way Federal, State and Local lawmakers are going to do anything is if the people pull a French Revelution on all public officals. Let them eat tacos, then off with their heads!

its called politics wrote on Aug 16, 2008 2:13 PM:You all sound like a bunch of cackling hens! Don't you guys get it...

THIS IS JUST AN ELECTION PLOY!!!

They don't intend to address the issue except to maybe put a band-aid and a little salve on it when the election is over. Please people, when are you going to learn that all Oceanside council is interested in is looking good and lining it own pockets - all in the name of 'looking out for the best interests of the people!

So don't get your hopes up...
ITS CALLED POLITICS!

methods Available wrote on Aug 16, 2008 2:20 PM:There are methods available to make it more difficult for people to buy homes in residential neighborhoods and turn them into apartments and boarding houses.
It is all about parking. If you limit the amount of cars a single house can have on the street it limits the amount of people who can live in the house unless they are all walkers. The speculator buyers who will load up your residential neighborhood homes with multiple families will tend not to buy a home in an area where there is limited parking on the streets. They can't rent them because there is not enough parking ! This is the time to act before all the foreclosures are bought by the same type of speculators who will treat thier rentals as apartments. For the warm and fuzzy types who think we should not do anything to save our neighborhoods. Please get a life! You either live in these terrible conditions yourself currently or you are one of the liberals who live in a gated community that does not have this problem. So let us vent. We are tired of this situation.

Bill wrote on Aug 16, 2008 2:34 PM:I was just talking to the wife and it came to me!

I've figured out how to get our police to do what we pay them for.

Instead of paying them hourly or a salary, why don't they start getting paid piece work?

They'll need to actually follow the law, instead of just handing out tickets or arresting everyone. I think for the first year at least, they'll be so busy rounding up the illegals, that they won't really need to think of doing the other anyway!

Say they are called to a stand off of some sorts. As soon as they arrive on the scene, they go back on hourly.

I think this deserves some thought!

ToTo same story as funny wrote on Aug 16, 2008 3:15 PM:Well Mom, you did a good job making sure YOUR kids got an education and can now support themselves, you deserve congratulations for that effort.
But the point you miss is the illegal population is driving down standards for the majority of US citizens due to their unwillingness to follow our laws and culture. They broke the law entering this country, which forces them into what they perceive as the protective cocoon of barrios that shelter them from the law. This creates an area of lawlessness and stagnation for the local community. These barrios maintain the illegal’s previous culture and most importantly their unwillingness to learn the English language. So now our schools have to dumb down and cater to the children of these illegal’s.
That in turn effects all children in the school system.
Compare the performance of our schools to the developed world, it is pathetic.

Blah blah blah wrote on Aug 16, 2008 3:41 PM:Whatever...

This sounds like the next thing to rhetoric.

Will anyone ask what the real agenda is here?

Anyways wrote on Aug 16, 2008 4:03 PM:Can't the laws be set forth for the landlords somehow to be held accountable for the numbers of people living in one home? Within the lease? I know when leasing or renting you have to list all people..occupants...and believe me..as a landlord myself....

If there are 3-5 names listed and all of a sudden people or city is sending notice to uphold lease or rent...CAN't they then be evicted????

Just curious sounds like the problem lies between landlord...or slum/flop lords and the renters...

Of course if this was AZ...we simply call one number to do a sweep of illegals....

I do understand making a new life, and coming here legally work permit and all, but I understand the horrible wait list and so the system is broken on every line hence the circumstances...

If there are rules and codes and etc...then the City MUST Up-hold them, NOT MAKE NEW ONES>...just a waist of Political BullShickers...to front the Voting in November get Feller OUT and then Rocky next year,,,,and For Sure NO ROCKY FOR MAYOR...

Keep the rules enforced and when times need adjustment DO YOUR DAMN JOB CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS KFC!!!!!

BalhBlahBaloney wrote on Aug 16, 2008 4:09 PM:Blah Blah, We know you don't listen. But the agenda is to get our American neighborhoods back because we are tired of living in Tijuana. We know Tijuana is filthy, corrupt, overcrowded and unsafe. We don't want our town and our neighborhoods to be the same. The illegals escaped from this way of life why? To create the same life style they left? Blah Blah why don't you organize some like thinkers and help to overthrow Mexico and then you can create an American way of life in Mexico. Don't try to create a Mexican way of Life in the United States.

Blah blah blah wrote on Aug 16, 2008 6:44 PM:Blah, blah, baloney,
I was only pointing out that the politics in this city are always twisted in some fashion or other. They are never truely sincere about what is laid on the table to addressed.

Furthermore, I am a white American who could not agree with you more IF Oceanside's City Council Members were serious about it. The idea of Tijuana expanding across our borders are appalling if not sobering.

Just pointing out that everyone is 'up-in-arms' about this and what for... Someone else's unspoken agenda. They're yanking your chain. They are using the media to their favor to get us as residents all upset with another purpose in mind.

Another words, (as the saying goes)

"I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I SEE IT!"

I agree with 'To Keep Complaining is Political Dumbness', 'real talk' and 'its called politics' above. So settle down and don't get your undies in a bunch.

Discrimination wrote on Aug 16, 2008 7:48 PM:IS just that.

Who says that whites have the corner on discrimination.

Blacks, and others of color, discriminate, too.

Check the dictionary (Webster).

Discrimination: Prejudiced or prejudicial outlook, action, or treatment (racial discrimination).

Now if one must needs use the "reverse discrimination" then Webster says it is "discrimination against whites or males (as in employment or education)".

So white women cannot be reversed discriminated against according to the definition.

Thus, DISCRIMINATION stands for all not a select few.

Additionally, if a black person discriminates against a brown person (or vice versa) what kind of discrimination is that?

Reverse discrimination is redundant. It's like saying White Caucasian.

My guess is that Chuck or Ron could probably explain it a bit better.

ToBill wrote on Aug 16, 2008 7:52 PM:I like the way you think.
But I don't think their union will go for it.

Jose wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:33 PM:So when a fire hits one of the overcrowded house and not everyone can't get out--- who gets to foot that medical bill-- you guessed it we the taxpayers.
Having them set up 3-6 families into an apartment gives them more of our tax payed dollars to send down to mexico or wherever.

This is more of a safety issue than anything but the good ole ACLU and others like to twist reality and make it about abusing latinos.
Never mind that the laws have been on our books for years.

Enforce our laws, Enforce our immigration laws and start deporting.

Larry wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:39 PM:There are hundreds of these clown houses in Vista and Fallbrook. Let's clean 'em all up!

To Observer wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:38 PM:STOP JUDGING...
What is wrong with most of you..
Pointing fingers and being ETHNOCENTRISIC: Tendency to judge other cultures using one's own as a standard.

America is good in ways...but also has horrible things we have learned also..which dates back to the time the American Indians were free.... (I am a mix of A.Indian and European)OUR ANCESTORS European bullies...came here took over in numbers...and demanded the Indians to either be what we thought was right-civilized in our own manners...OR We hauled them off to other lands, or mass killed them...I mean schools actually started by government manipulation...AS YOU ALL are doing "Complaining" !!!!

You all should be a little more open, and get a plan to help everyone...you all sound like old Captain Richard Pratt, who in 1879 established an Indian Boarding School, because C.Pratt and other White folks, VIEWED Indians as DIRTY, IGNORANT & LAZY people..He believed in one or two generations...he could change the ways of the Indians and try to RE-SOCIALIZE the children...he argued the INDIAN MUST DIE or LIVE as MAN"

Forcing them to be civilized by their standards was making the indian children cut thier hair, wear a school uniform, and when not in school the indians were out in the fields working for free to socialize the indians to dominate White culture. Then took before and after pictures so tordes the end of being in Pennsylvania they lost the tan and it was posted to be a "whitening" (that, is civilizing)

Civilized society...come on, what you all think American people are civilized who talk in hate-crime manners about people from another country, because they are too closed minded to open up and understand what these people want??.

Please open your eyes...and make it a positive change - I believe these comments are way out of control!!

NOW WHO IS CIVILIZED!!! LOL.

Exactly wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:43 PM:We have laws to take of these things..talk to the legislators...

To:TO Observer... I agree and I also think rules are in place for a reason, and thats all that needs to be done...

The people bloggin here in racial circle need to understand a whole lot more to the situation. Make a POSITIVE CHANGE not a negative one...

Illegal is illegal, but thanks to the people who are too focused on other countries to fix, ours will continue to be out of control...and more hate crimes will arise - AS THE ONE BREWING HERE!

to st generation american wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:50 PM:GOOD FOR YOU!!! THAT IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE DONE. THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THIS BLOG AND MOSTLY TO THE AMERICAN SOCIETY. I HAVE A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO STICK IT OUT THROUGH OUT THE LONG AND TEDIOUS CITIZENSHIP PROCESS.

HATS OFF!

WELCOME TO AMERICA!

do you remember when wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:11 PM:Do you remember when, as a nation, we were nothing but foreigners who were all trying to better ourselves in the only ways known to us at the time? Oh, I know it may not have been in your generation, but there was a time when your family ancestors (whether present or long ago) were starting out here and coming from a different culture to a land full of promise along with different customs and expectations. In most cases money was tight and they had to do what they had to do to make ends meet and survive.
Really, it was not that long ago, if you take a look at your family history. Three, four, maybe five generations ago. Take a look at these who are struggling here around us now and think... 'such were some of us' and 'but for the grace of God, there go I'. Our ancestors did it all then so that we could have what we have today.

The Bible says to 'love our neighbors as we do ourselves'. For all the love and compassion that has been exhibited here, it would seem that you all must not love yourselves or you do not have an appreciation or understanding for those who have struggled in the same fashion on your behalf.

Try to remember when...?

ProChef wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:29 PM:As we say in the kitchen, there is too much chile powder in the melting pot!

The Bible also says wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:23 PM:"To obey those in authority that I have set above you".This includes your parents,your elders,your teachers,the police,the law.
Please do not continue to quote the Bible to try and rationalize illegal behavior.

Hello wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:23 AM:What are you talking about To:The Bible also says:::???

What Law Have these people broken??? UHH

If the flippen City Council, or CITY STAFF can't even remark the exact laws at the City of OCeanside Council meeting....then NOt much they can do.

The Council gets reports a week in advance if they wanted to Truly know what can and can't be done...THEY WOULD OF ALL READY KNOWN WHAT CAN BE DONE..

Since you can not discriminate against how many families live in one home who at thier own will choose to live like that YOU CAN"T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT!!

SO SHOW US THE LAWS and then we can TALK OTHER THAN THAT YOU ALL ARE OUT OF CONTROL>....ITS AMERICA..

M.B. wrote on Aug 18, 2008 2:43 PM:Is there a telephone number we can start calling to complain of these "clown houses" being set up in our areas? All who are unhappy need to start voicing our complaints to someone! Where do we start???? What's the number to City Code Enforcement Officials? Ill be happy to call.

Kelly wrote on Aug 21, 2008 5:45 AM:It's easy for your kids to have their own bedroom when you have ONE rather than FOUR under the age of 5.

Affording 30 thousand dollar trucks doesn't seem to be a problem with all the welfare money flowing into these "clown car" houses.

And before you claim they're taxpaying citizens, think how many of those who actually file claim Earned Income Tax Credits. That plus 11 dependents = a big screen t.v. on the legal taxpayer's dime.

Still, all of this was happily overlooked until CA's housing market went in the toilet. NOW the same stuff that's been happening for 15 years is suddenly a huge issue. Classic.