LAKE ELSINORE: Immigrants' rights protesters march on City Hall
Protesters claim U.S. Border Patrol is breaking up families
By AARON CLAVERIE - Staff Writer | ∞
A vocal yet peaceful group of 50 to 60 Latino residents protested Friday a crackdown by the U.S. Border Patrol on day laborers in the Lake Elsinore area. The protesters marched early Friday morning from Elsinore Elementary School to Lake Elsinore City Hall and then to the Lake Elsinore Sheriff's Station. (Photo by Steve Thornton - Staff Photographer) 
Carmen Topete of Wildomar holds up a sign near Elsinore Elementary School during Friday's protest of the U. S. Border Patrol's policy concerning day laborers. (Photo by Steve Thornton - Staff Photographer) 
Friday's protest of the U. S. Border Patrol's policy ended peacefully at the Lake Elsinore Station of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department. LAKE ELSINORE ---- Protesters marched down Main Street earlier this week to decry an alleged crackdown on undocumented day laborers that, they said, is breaking up families and stoking fear within the city's Latino community.
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The protesters carried signs that read, "All men created equal," "We are humans not animals" and "No mas redadas" (No more raids).
"People are so afraid right now," said Alex Lopez, one of the protesters. "Parents are not taking their children to school because they are afraid they're going to be taken away."
Lopez said the alleged crackdown on day laborers, men in blue jeans and T-shirts or work shirts who gather on the city's street corners in the morning, was spurred by city officials who "don't want to see any Hispanics."
Mayor Daryl Hickman, contacted at home after the protest, said the issue has nothing to do with race.
"I think the U.S. Border Patrol is doing their job," he said.
Hickman said the city has traditionally allowed day laborers to gather on Spring Street, which runs parallel to Main Street.
Other cities in the region ---- and cities throughout the U.S. ---- have similar spots where day laborers are allowed to gather. When there are problems or complaints, as there were recently in Temecula and Vista, cities have passed measures or ordinances to curtail or regulate the activity.
In recent months, Hickman said, the day laborers in Lake Elsinore have been standing on the Main Street corners, the gateways that lead to the area's historical downtown.
Hickman said he worked with some of the city's downtown merchants and tried to get the men to move back to Spring Street, but nothing changed.
So Hickman said he contacted Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Temecula, and asked for some support.
"People were not coming downtown. We had to do something. Now we're seeing the results," he said.
The protest ---- organized by a group of area families, Lopez said ---- started in front of Elsinore Elementary School. From there, the group of about 60 people marched to City Hall, where they chanted, "We are immigrants, not terrorists" and "You need to stop it." The group then made its way to the city's police station at Graham Avenue and Poe Street.
Lopez said 250 undocumented immigrants have been deported in recent months from the Lake Elsinore area. A U.S. Border Patrol spokesman said there is no way to confirm the number Lopez provided because the agency does not break down arrests or deportations by area.
Nora Arviso, a Lake Elsinore resident, was a member of the group that gathered in front of City Hall. She said the city needs to support its people. "We pay all the taxes," she said.
City Manager Bob Brady briefly addressed the crowd, saying the city had nothing to do with U.S. Border Patrol activity.
"That's a lie," said David Lopez, one of the protesters. "I'm saying it's a lie because everyone knows it's a lie."
Lopez, who has lived in Lake Elsinore for four years, said it's plain to see that the city is working with the Border Patrol.
Contacted after the protest, Brady stressed the point he tried to get across earlier in the day.
"The Border Patrol is doing it as part of their job. They didn't notify the city of any additional activity. They didn't notify the Police Department of any additional activity," he said. "But if federal laws are being broken, the city is supportive of those laws being enforced."
As Hickman noted, Brady said the city has permitted day laborers to gather on Spring Street. He said the city has even placed trash cans near popular gathering spots on Spring to help keep the area cleaner.
"The city has not done anything to prohibit that from occurring. That hasn't changed, that has been that way for a number of years," he said. "The city is not trying to take work away from anyone."
U.S. Border Patrol Agent Alex Renteria, an agency spokesman in San Diego, said his office has been receiving calls from people claiming that the Border Patrol is staging raids in Lake Elsinore.
However, Renteria said there haven't been any raids.
"What we're doing is normal operations through our Murrieta station. Agents are working their routine patrols along the Interstate 15 corridor and the Highway 74 corridor," he said.
Addressing some of the other claims made by the protesters, Renteria said a complaint from a city official wouldn't trigger a response from the U.S. Border Patrol.
"We're a federal agency. If we do step up efforts, it's because Washington, D.C., tasked us to do that," he said.
As for the claims that there have been more agents in Lake Elsinore lately, Renteria said, "Nothing in that area has been beefed up. We've just gone through a huge hiring phase. There are a lot more staff, more agents at each station. That's what we're seeing. And we have more coming. We (the agency) (The agency) should be 18,000 strong by the end of this year."
About a half-hour before the protest started, a group of day laborers who had gathered at Main Street and Sumner Avenue talked about the situation in Lake Elsinore.
A man who identified himself as Melvin Perez, who said he was an undocumented worker from Guatemala, said the Border Patrol is a constant presence now.
"They come in the morning, they come at night," he said.
Perez was standing on the corner with six other men, guys dressed for eight hours of work that can net them about $80.
As they waited for work, a gray unmarked law enforcement vehicle pulled up to a stop sign at the other side of the intersection. One of the men asked, "La migra (Border Patrol)?" Another man answered, saying that it was only a "narco" (a narcotics officer).
When asked, all of the men said they were undocumented immigrants. One man, wearing a John Deere mesh baseball cap, said he was from Mexico. Another man, who said his name was Edgar Benjamin, said he was from Guatemala.
Some people who pick them up for landscaping work pay $7 or $8 an hour.
"For me, $10 (an hour) is good," Perez said.
While Perez waited for someone to stop, a white truck pulled up and two members of the group climbed inside.
Contact staff writer Aaron Claverie at (951) 676-4315, Ext. 2624, or aclaverie@californian.com.
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American Born Elsinore Resident wrote on Aug 16, 2008 6:59 PM:It's about time our City helps out in the illegal people problem we seem to have here in California, they should DEPORT them all and our schools and state would be a better place,,,,and to see so many illegals walk away to go home after their march they should have all been deported I would have paid for the fuel for the bus ride home for them lol
Larry wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:42 PM:It's sounds like ICE is finally doing their job in Elsinore. I wonder if there were any ICE officers at the protest; it might have been easy pickings.
Wow wrote on Aug 16, 2008 8:57 PM:Wow! These illegal residents actually believe they have the right to "protest" and march in a California city who is taking a pro-active stance!!! Why didn't USBP and LE PD scoop most of these illegals up and take them back over the border? It is unbelievable that these people think they can enter our Country / State illegally and have any voice! WE need more border enforcement and thanks to all the BP Agents and RSO Deps for doing an outstanding job, don't back down now!!!
leres wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:02 PM:It is time our Government enforced the immigration rules here. As for the claim "we pay taxes" - now there is a real lie - and we all definitely know it! As a longtime resident in Lake Elsinore, I thank the Border Patrol for finally making it into the area and clearing out the illegal population here. The difference can be seen already on Main and Spring Street. I know if an individual who lives right on Main Street and makes side money renting rooms to illegals who stack in several deep each night. How would you like to live next to that house? If you are a legal resident, then there is no reason to fear. If you break the law in coming here, then you take your chances as an illegal immigration. I am sure the majority of us are tired of paying to fund free lunches, health care, and wasting school budget dollars teaching your kids English at the detriment and expense of the LEGAL children in our schools. WHat do you suppose would happen to Americans if we illegally imigrated to Mexico? What kind of "rights" would we enjoy?? We all know the answer to that one too!
Greg wrote on Aug 16, 2008 9:40 PM:For society to function normally, ALL laws must be obeyed whether we agree with them or not. If we all got to only follow the laws we found convenient, we would have anarchy. The ILLEGAL immigrants broke our laws to get here and then complain when our cities enforce our laws.
This has nothing to do with Hispanics. The nationality is irrelevant. If the Hispanics happen to be the ones breaking the laws, then they should be handled accordingly.
To our LEGAL immigrants - welcome to the US.
To our ILLEGAL immigrants - go home and respect our immigration procedures and laws.
Elsinore Man wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:02 PM:This is so absurd. We want law enforcement to enforce laws, but only those that don't inconvenience the illegal immigrants. What a crock. It is so nice driving down Spring Street, and having people approach you asking for work. Come on people. The pie is only so big.
Lou wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:41 PM:Have you seen the schools around here lately. This is nuts, we can't afford this any longer. Elsinore should not be accused of breaking up families, they all need to go back to their countries. Our state planning was based on almost zero population growth back in the 80's and never ment to deal with what we have now.
L.E. Resident wrote on Aug 16, 2008 10:47 PM:Families do not need to be broken up, the illegal aliens can take their kids with them and go back to their home country, and the family can stay intact. If you're a legal resident you have nothing to fear. If you're here illegally and you're afraid of ICE... good! You should be. I hope that ICE maintains a presence in Lake Elsinore, maybe that will help with the gangs and graffiti as well. Thanks to Hickman and Issa for finally at least making a small effort to work on this problem that is plaguing our city.
Raids rule wrote on Aug 16, 2008 11:47 PM:The bottom line is don't enter the country illegally. What does Mexico do with people who enter it illegally? The country needs to take a strong stand on illegal immigration and not turn a deaf ear. Local law enforcement should not say it isn't their problem
tk wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:52 AM:What rights? Reminds me of a political cartoon I saw some time ago, which sums it up perfectly. In it, a couple of kids were sneaking into a movie theatre and one says to the other, "After we get in, lets demand free popcorn". Its about time we stand up and say no more free popcorn!!
Mounting pressure wrote on Aug 17, 2008 2:44 AM:In the past month I have noticed quite a few more articles relating to illegal immigrants being in the spotlight.
More pressure to come and for good reason!
Roberto wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:46 AM:1)So Hickman said he contacted Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Temecula, and asked for some support.
2) City Manager Bob Brady briefly addressed the crowd, saying the city had nothing to do with U.S. Border Patrol activity.
Someone is obviously lieing....but then again, its typical and as violent crime, drugs etc all go unchecked, we get rid of the bottom of the economy in order to be politically correct and appease white voters.
Arthur wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:23 AM:I am proud of our federal government and the city for finally coming to American citizen's rescue. It is so true that we taxpayers are subsidizing the enormous expenses of illegal immigration. All a respectful American is asking is "go through the process or go/stay home". Thanks to all involved with enforcement.
What an opportunity wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:13 AM:If this was a country of enforced laws, decent politicians of an stronger character, this event would have been an excellent opportunity to round them all up, send them back to their native countries. and allow them the opportunity to protest there.
What a joke and insult to the American Citizien and LEGAL rresidents! How is it that the City allows this to happen?
us wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:49 AM:It is important that the legal residents of Lake Elsinore take the time to either call or visit their local Police Department and show them the support that they need. As you know, protests are a sore subject and require the higher levels of management to deal with these distractions. By showing your support, it becomes a less significant issue. Next time you see your local cop, Thank them for doing there job. I am sure that this will be well received.
Bill wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:57 AM:I see the lady holding the sign saying stop illegal searches.
This is what our government has allowed top happen, with their do nothing ways.
These people think they should be allowed to break the law and not be called on it.
Look back to when these people started coming here. They were migrant farm workers, picking crops, because no one else wanted to do it and the farmers could save a bunch of money by hiring them. The government looked away and allowed it.
Look what we have now.
The police have been looking away for several years. I see things daily that are against the law, but always happen. I know cops are seeing these same things and doing nothing.
Now, think back to the illegal problems.
Thinking about this, what will people be doing in 10, 20, 30 years, that the cops just allow?
Bill wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:01 AM:And also...remember this! While our federal government does nothing about this problem and you are focused on what's happening right in front of you, you better believe the feds are up to something else behind your back!!
Nothing like a good smoke screen.
Bill wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:08 AM:I also like the sign...Stop separating families!
This is another sign of a lack of any intelligence.
When you left your country and came into our, which you knew was against the law, you are the one who left your family. Then of course, after you worked here and made some money, you sent it back home for more of your family to come here, which they did.
But you still have family back in your country and all we are trying to do is to get you back together with them.
GO HOME!!
EXCEL wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:10 AM:You know Lake Elsinore is a sore when a news item such as this can even happen. Hope it reaches National news to let "everyone" know how how far we have digressed. The need for strong city,county,state and country leadership is crucial. We are all to blame...
To Wow wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:11 AM:The fact that nothing was done to these people while protesting gives them the idea they can do this and why not? They know that by just being here they are breaking the law and they also know that the authorities aren't going to do anything about it, so why not push it a little more?
GOOD JOB wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:12 AM:I'm glad to see the day laborers are afraid to stand in front of businesses. I only wish our fellow citizens weren't too lazy to fill the jobs even if it meant volunteering to help out the country.
Family of wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:21 AM:Undocumented? Illegal residents? Come on ....these people don't have the "RIGHT" to come here and protest when they are not in OUR country legally. DEPORT them all! If they want to be in the US...then come the legal way!
Good news wrote on Aug 17, 2008 8:31 AM:The word is out and now Americans are standing up against hate, racist, and prejudice. Bravo!!! I applaud those activists who are standing up for what is right!! I hope this is only the beginning of a movement that will stop this madness.
AMIGO wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:24 AM:While Melvin Perez makes his 10 dollars an hour cash.How many kids does he support. Maybe the state chips in,and helps with medical bills.
Chamber of Zitizens wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:11 AM:All of you bloggers who are upset with illegals should remember when you vote in November that McCain and Obama both support comprehensive immigration reform that would legalize all illegals rewarding them with Z visas. Vote for the American Independent Party candidate, Chuck Baldwin. Don't waste your vote.
Faith wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:38 AM:I'm really happy to see that this people are standing up for what's right and not been afraid of any body who pretends to love God and hates his neighbor, to all those racist!!! its time to wake up, our economy is getting worse also because we are helping to destroy those that are less fortunate than us, lets be honest and think a bit more use our brains, we pup... and stinks they pup... and also stinks what makes us better??
Buzzm wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:41 AM:If you aren't ILLEGAL, you have nothing to worry about!!
If you are ILLEGAL, I.C.E. is coming to get you, so WORRY, WORRY, WORRY!!!
THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!
OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM
#1. Secure the Border!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!
NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!
Buzzm wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:49 AM:THERE WILL BE NO AMNESTY!!!
OUR ACCEPTABLE IMMIGRATION REFORM
#1. Secure the Border!!!
#2. Mandate E-Verify for ALL Employees!!!
#3. Mandate E-Verify for ANY Benefit!!!
#4. Stop the Underground Economy!!!
#5. End Birthright Citizenship for Illegals!!!
......and make it retroactive!!!
#6. End Chain Migration!!!
#7. Make English our Official Language!!!
#8. Cut Off Federal Funds to Sanctuary Cities!!
NOTHING MORE!!! NOTHING LESS!!!
emily wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:58 AM:I AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN THINK IT IS RIGHT FOR THESE PEOPLE TO STAND UP FOR WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN, HONESTLY I DONT THINK THEY'RE DOING ANY HARM TO US BY BEING HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, ALL THEY'RE DOING IS WORKING AND MAIKING A LIVING JUST LIKE THE REST OF US. I UNDERSTAND BORDER PATROL IS DOING THERE JOB, BUT SOMETIMES WE TEND TO ABUSE OF THE RIGHTS WERE GIVEN JUST BECAUSE WE FEEL BIGGER IN OUR POSITIONS. HISPANICS ARE DOING A GREAT JOB STANDING UP FOR THERE PEOPLE, THEY DO MOST OF THE OUTSIDE JOBS THAT WE ARE HONESTLY TO LAZY SOMETIMES TO DO. THEY ARE IMMIGRANTS BUT THEY ALSO HAVE RIGHTS AS HUMANS!!!!!!! SO I SUPPORT THEM.
Buzzm wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:01 AM:Illegals have absolutely no right to be in our country.
They first broke our laws when they crossed our border.
They continue to break our laws by remaining in our United States.
Illegals, using forged, falsified, and stolen identities, have illegally obtained 100's of thousands of jobs that rightfully belong to American citizens.
There are over 8.8 unemployed American citizens, and that number is increasing with every passing day.
Americans need those jobs, and they need them NOW!!
Illegals have to go!!
Illegals are overcrowding our schools and costing American taxpayers billions of dollars a year.
Deport them all!!!
AMIGO wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:15 AM:EMILY,THEY ARE DRAINING OUR WELFARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY SYATEM. THEY DO NOT DESERVE.THEY NEED TO GO.
Kevin wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:20 AM:The picture shows most of the protesters holding signs in Spanish. Perhaps they would get more sympathy from folks if all their signs were in English.
Fed up wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:30 AM:Honestly I never cared one way or another about illegal aliens for most of my life. I figured they just came here to work, so no big deal. Now I think differently. If they only came here to work I still wouldn't have a problem with them being here. However, they use up FAR more than they will ever contribute in their entire lives, and this is most of them, not just a few. They pay minimal, if any, taxes, health care for them costs us billions of dollars a year, that WE pay for through higher insurance rates and taxes. They cost a fortune in jail costs and to educate their children (who do not appreciate the "free" education and drop out in huge numbers. Our car insurance rates are higher because they don't have insurance and cause many accidents. And then there is the social blight they cause with their noise, disease, trash, parties till 3am, drunk driving, gangs, etc... I would support amnesty IF they were banned from receiving ALL benefits of this country for a minimum of 5 years after becoming legal, and were required to learn English. If they truly ONLY want to come here and work and better their and their children's lives, then this should be no problem. And if they suffer hard times they should turn to charity and churches.. NOT THE TAXPAYER!
No ACLU wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:33 AM:This would have been an ample opportunity to round up the criminal illegal aliens and send them to back home. Will any federal government official step up and take that stand and do their job?
Where is the ACLU for the Americans citizens rights that are constantly being violated? That's right they don't care about legal American citizens.
They need to add an I to the beginning of their name and call themselves the Illegal Alien Civil Liberties Union. They do the Americans NO good whatsoever.
Faith wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:34 AM:Amigo do you have any idea of how many "North American" people and how many ilegals as well?? come to the shelter homes for bread and bed, well let me tell you about 95% are North American, how do I know this because I'm a volunteer
Scooter wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:35 AM:I can't read the signs. Sorry, I can't help you. Maybe become an American citizen and speak and read the language of the land (English) and I can see if what you are asking is relevant. If you can't do that, I will have to guess what your sign says. I think I will make up a sign that you can understand, based on what I think it is you are trying to accomplish: Adios, amigos!
Devils Advocate wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:39 AM:Don't get me wrong, I think doing anything illegal deserves some sort of punishment. But why can't we take a more positive stand? When undocumented workers are found, why can't we help them become documented? And I'm talking about the ones who are really trying to make-it (they do exist). The ones with families and kids in school. Instead of breaking up families why can't we help them start their own American Dream? And as for the ones who come in and lie on paperwork, and have no kids in school; they can wait in the back of the line to live here.
Bill wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:40 AM:I'm so tired of hearing how we evil Americans are "breaking up families". Our laws on illegal entry into our country are clear:
US Code, Title 8, Section 1325 states the following:
"Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both."
It does NOT say "unless they have children".
immigrants rights wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:43 AM:how about deportations for breaking the LAW!! how rediculous...they should have no rights at all here
Bobby wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:43 AM:Here's a couple of slogans for the "protesting border criminals".
"Your are human beings and smart enough to know that you are here illegally".
"Help clean up Mexico--go home."
"Stop creating problems in this foreign nation you have invaded. Go home and make trouble."
Other posters are welcomed to add more slogans.
does this mean wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:44 AM:that those businesses down on main street will now lose money in sales from 250 deportees?
to leres wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:48 AM:free lunches and health care also go to all those lazy white ladies in line at the lake Elsinore welfare office. Have you ever took a peek in that office? Have you never been in back of one of these at the grocery store and seen them paying with food stamps,yet she is dressed very well and has an expensive cell phone.
Mark wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:52 AM:I'm so tired of hearing how we evil Americans are "breaking up families". Our laws on illegal entry into our country are clear:
US Code, Title 8, Section 1325 states the following:
"Improper entry by alien
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both."
It does NOT say "unless they have children".
AMIGO wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 AM:FAITH,YOU MAKE NO SENSE TO ME.
Cheap labor wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 AM:If LEGAL americans would stop paying $8/hour for day labor, the problem would go away.
As long as there is demand, supply will be there. Demand can't be legislated away. Demand can't be overcome with hate.
The answer can always be found if you follow the money.
To leres again wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:56 AM:They do pay taxes. Here's how:
1)Illegals use fake ID'S and stolen or borrowed social security numbers to get employment
2)They get taxes taken from their check
Some of those individuals(yes,I can call them that)do not file for income taxes at the end of the year because they are scared or simply cant.
I highly doubt that with the job they are doing, they would have to pay taxes back. So with that said,they would most likely get back a fat check with their big families right?. So for the many that are working with bad ss#'s,they PAY TAXES!
Doris wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:58 AM:It is about time this is happening! I happen to be a legal immigrant and did every thing the right way! I also speak and write "English"!
I am so tired of checking out in stores here in Lake Elsinore, and have hispanic checkers talk over my head while they are helping me in "spanish" to a person behind or next to me! It is so wrong!
The more of them get deported the better off citizens of this country are!
It would make sense if wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:58 AM:Let's stop that nonsense of enforcing immigration laws, and let's allow illegals to remain here; use and drain the system, even protest and demand for their (?) rights. Using the same rationale, the police should also disregard those that also break the law, and stop detaining people for their crimes. Let's be more sensitive and allow law breakers to do as they please.
And, as far as EMILY's comments is concerned, it is obvious her community has not been invaded by illegals yet; if that would have been the case, her opinion would have been different.
Hey Faith wrote on Aug 17, 2008 11:59 AM:NEWSFLASH---the shelters are supposed to be 100% for "North American" people.
Our tax dollars are to support our citizens, not some freeloaders who break the laws and sneak across the border.
LadyM wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:01 PM:""LAKE ELSINORE: Immigrants' rights protesters march on City Hall ""
First of all the title of this article is not true. It has nothing to do with Immigrants and everything to do with Illegal Aliens. Immigrants have papers that allow them to be here and have nothing to fear from ICE & BP. However, the illegal's have everything to fear! IF they don't want their families broken up, easy solution, send all of them back to where they snuck in here from. Americans have spoken, no amnesty!! So take your sorry illegal butts back to where you came from and change your country instead of sneaking in here and demanding that we change ours to suit you. Don't like it, tough!
Bobby wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:04 PM:So many bloggers have expressed their views on illegal immigration on the internet but one view shared by tens of thousands of people seems to be-- surprise at the unbelievable attitude of entitlement that these border criminals have when they openly protest across the nation, and have absolutely no fear of being arrested by the U.S. government and deported.
That is why so many folks have said, and I'm beginning to believe it, that these illegal foreign nationals have more rights in this nation then American citizens do. Press 1 if you agree. Press 2 if your a border criminal who disagrees.
Bettybb wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:04 PM:Devils Advocate.
The answer to your question is:
1. The Rule of Law.
Our nation is great because as a society we have agreed there is to be one law for all, applied equally. Illegal aliens want a separate system for themselves; they are allowed to enter the country illegally, (misdemeanor 1st offense, felony second offence), use forged documents (felony), steal Americans id's (felony), evade taxes (felony), drive without a license (misdemeanor), ignore court orders (felony), use American id's to obtain gov benefits they are not entitled to (felony). An American breaking any of these law would spend many years in jail.
Third world countries are corrupt, crime ridden basket cases because they adopt the illegal alien philospohy... anything you can get away with is okay, laws need not be followed, the privileged have one law and other people are held to a different standard. Is that what you want for the USA?
2. Discrimination.
Our immigration laws provide a roughly equal chance for all races and ethnic groups to come to the USA. The Pew Hispanic Center estunates almost all illegals are Hispanic. Any amnesty and immunity from prosecution, gives a huge racist preference to Hispanics over all other races and ethnic groups, in the number of people of that group allowed in, the timing of their arrival, and the conditions for entry. Legal immigrations must pass medical, background, US history and other tests. They are not allowed to take money from our social benefit system for a number of years. Demands for amnesty and immunity for illegal are racist to the max and violate our anti discrimination clause of the constitution.
3. Equal Protection of the Laws
Our immigration laws provide a roughly equal chance for all Americans to have family reunification. The Pew Hispanic Center estunates almost all illegals are Hispanic. Any amnesty and immunity from prosecution, gives a huge racist preference to Hispanics over all other Americans in the number of people of that group allowed in, the timing of their arrival, and the conditions for entry. Every American according to our constitution is entitled to equal protection of the law. Demands for amnesty and immunity for illegal violate our constitution as well as our notions of fair play and equality.
4. It is morally wrong to reward lawbreaking. US citizenship is a great prize. There is no fine, no punishment that illegal alien criminals (and they are all criminals) can pay that would ever come close to the value of citizenship.
5. Sovereignty
As a nation, we are entitled to control our borders and decide who may join us. We accept more legal immigrants than any other country in the world. Economists have pointed out that we must take the best and the brightest, who add more the economy than they take out. Those with little education are carried by the taxpayer for at least a generation, so we can take in very few of these people. If we take in the illegals, most of whom have only a grade school education, we are going to put our country in serious financial jeopardy. For starters, Americans would have to give up their social security.
AMIGO wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:07 PM:FAITH,YOU MAKE NO SENSE TO ME.EVERYONE NEEDS HELP SOMETIME OR OTHER.THESE PEOPLE DRAIN CASH FROM OUR SYSTEMS.CROWD ARE SCHOOLS.THEY DONT BELONG HERE SPENDING MY TAX DOLLAR.THEY DO NOT BELONG HERE.
Bobby wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:08 PM:Cheap labor, I was beginning to agree with your post until you wrote that Demand can't be overcome with hate. This is where you gave yourself away as an enabler of illegal immigration. The reason is, hate is not an issue. If every single poster on this forum belonged to the KKK, their protests would still be valid. Illegal immigration would still be--against existing U.S. immigration law. Get that through you head.
Faith wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:10 PM:Amigo what I'm saying is that a lot of that people coming to the shelters are white, a lot of our people (they ) are the ones asking for bread and shelter, out of 100 people posible 5 are ilegals
LadyM wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:13 PM:To Emily: Just in case you weren't aware of this, let me fill you in. These people that are only here to earn a living, as you say, cost the American taxpayers $338 BILLION in 2007. Now this may only seem like a drop in the bucket to you, but do you realize how many legal citizens could be helped with this amount of money? Also that does not include the cost of keeping the ones that rape, murder, sell drugs and commit other crimes in prison. Wow, can you imagine if they would have added that amount in? Just boggles the imagination don't you think !
Dayana wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:15 PM:Lady M , I'm really sorry for you, forgive yourself for whatever happened to you, there is hope still for you look deep inside you and God will help you come out of there.
jim wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:26 PM:Good for ICE
Pick them all up and send them back
Who cares what they eat today
This would be a great place for ICE to come and pick up the dam pack of them.
jim
Si se puede wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:26 PM:Our laws will give us the right to send all these unhappy illegals, back. All we need is public officials with the courage to enforce the law. Wouldn't it be great if Lake Elsinore take that initiative, and get rid of these intruders?. Sorry, "La Raza" and the others...
jim wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:29 PM:Faith if we send home the mexicans then
the north Americans could get a job
Larry wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:36 PM:Emily, you're ignorant. They are leeches, sucking the life out of our economy. Round them up and send them home.
Buzz wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:51 PM:RE: "Immigrants' rights protesters march on City Hall"
Butthead: "Hey Bevis. Some illegal aliens and their buddies are all worked up because illegal aliens are getting deported."
Bevis: "Wow, Butthead. That's pretty funny."
Pat wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:54 PM:Literally billions (!) of people would like to move here.
That's the simple truth.
If we don't stop them, the only thing that will stop them is California will become so miserable they won't want to come anymore.
Like it or not, that is reality.
esteban wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:56 PM:When are these law breaking buffoons gonna realize that there is no stopping the efforts to curb illegal immigration? You bums lost! Now get lost!!!!
Let the citizens join them wrote on Aug 17, 2008 12:59 PM:Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says,
"A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally." (Article 123)
Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)
Foreigners who "attempt against national sovereignty or security" will be deported. (Article 126)
Mexicans who help illegal aliens enter the country are themselves considered criminals under the law:
A Mexican who marries a foreigner with the sole objective of helping the foreigner live in the country is subject to up to five years in prison. (Article 127)
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Is anyone in the USA paying attention??????
Are you buying health insurance? Why?
Are you paying car registration? Why?
Are you getting a drivers license? Why?
Are you paying for your child to attend school? Why?
Are you buying car insurance? Why?
Are you living in a house full of 20 people? You should!
Are you parking on your front lawn? Sure... go ahead!
Are you converting your garage? Sure..go ahead
Are you building on to your house without permission? Sure...go ahead
You don't need a code for anything, go ahead..Fire Code? City Code? Nah, they don't care...go ahead build on...
You don't care about your neighbor, plant corn and veggies in the front lawn, and don't forget to hang your wash on the fence...Sure..go ahead
And these illegals have the 'nerve' to protest, why? because they know they CAN! USA has no consequences for these peoples action, none what so ever!!
Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2008 1:00 PM:Close the loophole in the 14th Amenment and their won't BE any families broken up.
As far as I'm concerned the children of those here Illegally, are just that, IILEGAL!
Deport them all and "Roberto" too.
I've asked you this question many times "Roberto" and you have NEVER answered once. Did you come to this Country Illegally, or is it your parents are here Illegally?
I know it's one or the other!
english is FOREIGN wrote on Aug 17, 2008 1:28 PM:english is a foreign language! Take it back to england where at least people dont use words like, git, yer, y'all, and wut. All people of European ancestry in the U.S. are illegal aliens. The land was stolen from the Native American Indians.Regardless of the "theories" around Native origins, they were her first. I'm glad you all like to call yourselves "Americans" at least. A Latin word from Amerigo Vespucci.
cjbl wrote on Aug 17, 2008 2:22 PM:In Los Angeles County, tax payers pay 1 billion a year to provide illegal aliens with food stamps and welfare benefits so they can work under the table and send 26 BILLION home (out of America's economy and into Mexico's).
Emily - they are taking jobs Americans were doing in construction and landscaping and they are taking your tax money benefits for America citizens and are one of the number one reasons for the CA state budget crisis:
Total annual cost of illegals on taxpayers exceeds $1 billion LA County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich has announced that a new report shows illegal aliens and their families in Los Angeles County collected over $35 million in welfare and food stamp allocations in July.
In the report, illegals are said to have collected nearly $20 million in welfare assistance for July 2007 and an additional $15 million in monthly food stamp allocations for an estimated annual cost of $440 million.
“Illegal immigration continues to have a devastating impact on Los Angeles County taxpayers,”said Antonovich. “In addition to $220 million for public safety and $400 million for healthcare, the $440 million in welfare allocations bring the total cost to County taxpayers that exceeds $1 billion a year -- this does not include the skyrocketing cost of education.”
Mexico is an oil rich nation (I don't own oil but they do - unlike America the money from their oil wells goes directly to the government) it is not my fault that they are also a very corrupt nation and one that exports its poor and uneducated to be a burden on my back instead of theirs.
Send them home and hold Mexico accountable.
Jimmy wrote on Aug 17, 2008 2:32 PM:To english is FOREIGN:
You said "All people of European ancestry in the U.S. are illegal aliens." That is an extremely ignorant statement. In order for something to be illegal, a law needs to have been violated. Did the Native Americans have laws in place that made it illegal for Europeans to come to North America? If not, then no law was violated. And if no law was violated, then the Europeans were NOT illegal aliens.
Estoban wrote on Aug 17, 2008 2:34 PM:english is FOREIGN wrote "english is a foreign language! Take it back to england where at least people dont use words like, git, yer, y'all, and wut. All people of European ancestry in the U.S. are illegal aliens."
Spanish and French are also foreign and European languages. Actually, more foreign languages are spoken in the U.S. than any other country in the world. If we send them all back, at least Native American Indians would be happy.
Kudos to the Border Patrol for enforcing our countries laws.
once again... wrote on Aug 17, 2008 3:09 PM:this paper only post the responses they want you to read...go figure!
Basically mine said...ILLEGALS GO HOME!!! If you cannot respect my country and abide by the laws of the land, GO HOME to "YOUR" country where you belong, & don't forget to take your family with you. I can't wait to have my job back when you do...lost it cause I wasn't bilingual, pretty sad scenario in my opinion when I was born and raised in this country where English is the language of the land. Can't wait for all the illegal aliens to leave, on there own or by force, either way works for me.
Alex wrote on Aug 17, 2008 3:11 PM:A little bit too late. Our government turns it's back on the problem of illegal immigration since the early 60's and is now trying to enforce immigration laws. After millions of immigrants have entered illegally and billions more spent on infrastucture to deal with this tremendous influx of people? Was this simply oversight? I don't think so. On the contrary, our government intends to use this problem as an excuse to dramatically change our form of gov't. The legislature's passage of policies such as The Patriot Act and economic treaties like GATT and NAFTA intend to erase our nation's sovereignty by erasing our borders. Like Pearl Harbor forced America into WWII, immigration will force us to compromise our Constitution thereby changing forever our way of life. Our founding fathers intent was on limited gov't and not the huge behemoth it has become. And to repeat what the Minutemen colonists who rose to fight foreign gov't oppression said, "Don't tread on US "!
vicky wrote on Aug 17, 2008 3:32 PM:The USA cant take care of all the ilegals. If this continues not only will we not be able to care of them we wont be able to care of ourselves, then no one gets any help and our country goes down the tube. They have been allowed to break the law and are rewarded. Their confused now they think we owe them, thats our fault correct the problem. Im sorry some ruin it for the kind hard working hispanic people who would help anyone without even a thought I have alot of respect for those hispanic people, the others are dragging us down it has to stop.
to Jimmy wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:12 PM:It's more ignorant to say the Natives had no laws, when in fact they did have their own laws which were disregarded by the pilgrims and other illegal aliens from Europe.The Natives had their way of life. Laws need not be present for evil to be committed. Disregarding the theft of land and massacre of millions of Natives is disgusting.There is no justification in that.Your people will always be illegal aliens from Europe nothing more.
Lucy wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:30 PM:I wonder if Mexico is actually encouraging these people to raise hell in order to
stop La Migra from doing their job?
Let's face it if these illegal aliens can't sponge off of us citizens and taxpayers Mexico has to do it's job of taking care of their own problems.
Report and Deport
Deanna wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:31 PM:You illegals keep hounding on the fact that we "Europeans" took your land. You should be thankful we did and built this country the way it is now, rather than you still living here like you did in Mexico. Why do you think you came back huh? You came back because you lack skills of any kind, you lack education and don't want to keep learning either, yeah if you thought Mexico was so great then why didn't they educate you huh?. Or, teach you a skill? Why is it the Chinese speak English and here you are claiming to have lived here once upon a time for 24 years fail to even speak it? If Mexico is so great as you claim why aren't you still there? and why do you think Mexico sold the land to us huh? Most of you are from tribes and without the Spaniards conquering your crappy country you'd still be wearing a loin cloth so, don't give me any of your "we own this land', you own nothing that's why your back here! The land of opportunity given to you by the Europeans!!!!!
Lucy wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:33 PM:To Jimmy
It's more ignorant to say the Natives had no laws, when in fact they did have their own laws which were disregarded by the pilgrims and other illegal aliens from Europe.The Natives had their way of life. Laws need not be present for evil to be committed. Disregarding the theft of land and massacre of millions of Natives is disgusting.There is no justification in that.Your people will always be illegal aliens from Europe nothing more.
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Theft of land? Mexicans stole this land not only from the American Indians and Spain, now they want to steal it from American citizens.
At least the U.S. improved life for all it's citizens.
You can't say that about Mexico.
I'm glad Mexico lost the war.
why is it... wrote on Aug 17, 2008 4:59 PM:that the illegal immigrants and those who are pro-illegal immigration think there are 2 sets of rules / laws to live by..??? The Laws and Rules by which citizens and those with proper authorization to be here < ie....visas, green cards, etc.. > and the Laws and Rules by which they think they need to abide by < hint...they seem to make them up as they go >
Amend the 14th Amendment to close the loop hole of automatic citizenship to those born here in the U.S., that part of the amendment was specifically written to account for, and give citizenship to the newly freed slaves and their children after the Civil War, I'm pretty sure that those it applied to have moved on.. < yep, the Civil War ended 1865 so's the decendants of any slaves are into atleast their 7th generation >
It's time to take control of our borders and what comes across them, The DHS needs to expand their operations to keeping illicit drugs, and illegal immigrants from entering as much as they are " attempting" to keep terrorists out. They've got the technology but refuse to add it to what their function and scope of operations is now. Illegal Drugs fund terrorist organizations, the cartels are great examples of terrorist groups right on our borders.
to the.... wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:25 PM:North American Native Americans, do wish more of the Latino population to reside here north of the U.S. / Mexican border..??? Regardless of the Europeans coming here 5 centuries ago, most of the population of Mexico and points south are the results of Europeans mixing it up with the local indiginous populations < ie...central and south American natives > Most of these illegal immigrants are the decendants of these mixed joinings, and are just as much a part of the origional invasion < 1492 > as what is happening now, we just have laws to try to keep out and control any further invasions,
by the way, sorry about the results of the 1st one, but I and any caucasian I know living here in the U.S. wasn't involved, and I don't think there's any way to reverse the results, but WE can attempt to control whats happening now.
AMIGO wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:26 PM:WHERE DID NATIVE AMERICANS COME FROM?THEY CAME FROM ASIA AND THROUGH ALASKA.HUH.FAITH I NEVER MENTIONED COLOR,YOU LOST ME.
u.s. citizen wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:41 PM:they don't seem to get it, We don't care of they are here, as long as it is legal. They have to understand that they are from Mexico, not the United States..Just get the legal documents is all. that way they can drive legally
and even vote, pay taxes, and pay for their own medical insurance instead of medi-cal, and also support them selfs, without welfare.
keep on marching wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:53 PM:I support their right to march....south, right back to Mexico.
To - To Leres wrote on Aug 17, 2008 5:57 PM:Lets see... as you put it, they pay taxes by using stolen identification? When have you ever witnessed a day laborer in Lake Elsinore paid anything other than cash under the table. They do get FREE benefits that we legal residents pay for - all of our working lives. Why don't you go to Mexico and try what they are doing in our town. I am sure you'll like the room they provide you at La Mesa prison.
I work here in town and also know several business owners on or near Main Street who are very pleased by the crack down and the resulting drop in loitering that drives people away from their businesses. How does that add to the economy here in a positive manner?
Go stand at Elsinore Elementary School and see how many children are on the free lunch program and provided additional family assistance using tax dollars paid by legal residents, yet they and their parents cannot speak our language....... Time and time again our own Governor ( a legal immigrant) has stated the obvious, that illegal immigrants are a major factor in bankrupting California.
Enforcing our laws is the right thing to do. Come here legally or don't come here at all.
Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2008 6:14 PM:As a Native American born on The Rez, trust me, we all want Illegals deported and our Immigration laws enforced. We can't change the past, but we can control our future.
They were given amnesty once before and look what it got us, another 20+ Million Illegals.
Enough is enough!
To Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:54 PM:You are ignorant for not knowing people south of the border are Native Americans too. The border crossed them. And yeah, we did better this continent. Nuclear weapons, AIDS/HIV,small pox, toxic waste in every river,ocean and mountain, extinction of thousands of animals, smog over every major city,etc. Thanks for bettering this continent.
To Amigo wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:57 PM:It doesn't matter where the Natives came from. They were here first and their life/natural course of existance was destroyed by greedy, evil whites.
To Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2008 7:59 PM:As a Native American, I stand on the struggle of my Native American brothers and sisters from Alaska and Hawaii and all the way to South America.
SAD wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:00 PM:Yes they are here illegaly. Yes they are breaking the law, and when it comes down to working, yes there might be 8.8 million or whatever amount of americans without jobs, but lets be real, how many of you are american citizens are going to scrub bathrooms? How many of you are going to go knocking in hotel doors saying "room service?" How many of you are going to work in the fields for long hours during the day when the sun is blazin hot. There are jobs out there. Go apply at the fields and I assure you they will hire you. Question is how many of you have actually checked into those jobs? This country needs change. It's sad to see all these racist comments.
To To Nick wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:03 PM:Easy to say with all that casino money in the bank... huh? Just share it with your brothers and help them better the world.... yeah I thought not.
STOP wrote on Aug 17, 2008 9:25 PM:I NOTICED A LOT OF YOU ARE JUST METIONING MEXICO THIS, MEXICO THAT, GO BACK TO MEXICO. YOU SOUND IGNORANT AND STUPID, JUST IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT'S NOT JUST THE MEXICANS THAT ARE HERE ILLEGALY, THERE IS PEOPLE FROM MANY DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. YEAH THE MAJORITY ARE HISPANIC BUT COMMON PEOPLE DON'T PICK AND CHOOSE!
Curious wrote on Aug 17, 2008 10:21 PM:How many of you have your lawns mowed by illegals? Don't see too many people in California mowing their own lawns. Most yard care workers can't even speak english.
To Curious wrote on Aug 18, 2008 7:59 AM:I've made that same point here.
All of us need to ask if we are supporting illegal aliens through lawn services and other companies.
Maybe we need to mow our own lawns.
To Sad wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:00 AM:Do you have any idea how many construction jobs are lost to illegal aliens? Are you aware that there are many places in the US that have hotel workers that are US citizens and speak english? Do you know how many US citizens have been turned down for jobs simply because they don't speak spanish? I am all for allowing migrant workers to come here in an orderly fashion and work in the fields but they must then return home and not burden American taxpayers. And your comment that being against illegal aliens makes someone "racist" just shows how truly ignorant you are. Name calling is the last resort of a losing arguement. I don't care what color, race, religion, etc you are. Come here through the proper legal channels, assimilate and become an American and you can be purple with polka dots and I will be thrilled. I am sick and tired of the political correctness police who are afraid of standing up for right and wrong. Our schools are suffering, our hospitals are closing and our jails are overcrowded with illegal aliens and their offspring. It is time for Americans to let Washington know that we are not going to stand for it any longer. Write your senators and representatives. Let them know you will vote them out of office if they don't start enforcing our laws and representing the American citizens they were elected to represent.
Big_Grandpa wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:08 AM:I mow my own lawn, pull my own weeds, and clean my own home. My wife worked in her aunts strawberry fields picking fruit. I am WHITE. Most people I know do all of this work themselves. And I remember when I could go into a restaurant and understand the person taking my order. Summer job's such as carpentry, car wash, lawn cutting, and working at restaurants were jobs available to youths in school.
We did those type of jobs before rampant immigration. We can still do them.
Jackie wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:10 AM:The illegals are the downfall of this country. They are killing us financially and they do not pay into they system, no matter how many times they say they do. They dont even have enough repsect for our country to speak english.
Craig wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:11 AM:To: Curious- My 14 year-old daughter mowed my yard this weekend. I don't need illegals mowing my yard or cleaning my house.
English wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:20 AM:Note that most of the protestors are too stupid to print their signs in English. Do we want these loosers in the U.S.?
No mas wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:54 AM:NCT staff writers throw that "undocumented immigrant" term around a lot. If day laborers mentioned in this article were truly immigrants who were undocumented, they could simply fill out paperwork for a replacement resident alien card for the card that was presumably lost or stolen and they would once again be documented. But I suspect that's not really the case. A true "immigrant" checks in that the gate instead of sneaking over the fence.
WILDOMARTIAN wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:57 AM:TO: STOP,
Yes, only MEXICO, becuase that's the country that is enabling all the other Latin American ILLEGALS to invade our country. SO, send them all back through MEXICO!
TO: LUCY,
I don't think the Mexican government is encouraging the ILLEGALS to raising hell here (but I wouldn't be surprised, if they were). BUT, MEXICO is encouraging the ILLEGALS TO COME OVER HERE! From distributing how-to manuals (in comicbook form) on how to survive an ILLEGAL entry into the U.S. to providing military escorts unto U.S. Soil for being "drug mules" to Presidente V. FOX greeting returning ILLEGALS in some dirt road Mexican border town, shaking their hands with his right snatching a piece of their ill-gotten bounty with his left!
Then demanding rights for the ILLEGALS!
More raids please wrote on Aug 18, 2008 9:20 AM:Raid them in the morning. Raid them in the evening.
Can someone wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:04 AM:explain how anyone who has broken into our country has any legal rights? The citizens of America do have rights regarding unfair taxes to pay for people in this country illeaglly, tax revolt anyone?
Please as an wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:07 AM:immigrant here leagally, please don't disgrace us with the Illegal Aliens. If it is true, that illegal immigration is a federal issue, then I must demand that the State stop giving American tax dollars to Illegal Aliens. This is a federal issue and the states are not to be involved at all!
JimRT wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:11 AM:"To Stop".
Are you familiar with the term "dee, dee,dee"? I think the last time someone mentioned a number in the tens of millions pertaining to illegals in this country; it was a mexican, and sounding very proud of the quantity mentioned. Yes, with your own words you mock the United States and its' citizens. You people have no rights here. You should go back to your own country and make it better. The reason you all come here is the racist system you have in mexico. The white spanish mexicans get the most and the dark indian mexicans get the least. Well I am very sorry, but you should fix your country not turn mine to crap. Get out, go home make a better life for yourselves there.
I WANT WHAT I BUILD HERE TO GO TO MY CHILDREN, NOT YOURS