Save the fish wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:31 PM:Kill man and the animals! Sorry Peta, just the way it is!

All gone wrote on Aug 18, 2008 12:52 PM:Too many people in this state.
Look at all the bitty fish were killing.
Time for mass deportation.
The part is over, time to go home.

Wait a Minute wrote on Aug 18, 2008 3:18 PM:"The pumps used to move water south are believed to suck in the fish's young, killing them." You mean we are going through all of this because it is BELIEVED! No facts? What kind of Judge rules without facts. Only in the USA! Just like global warming.

waste water wrote on Aug 18, 2008 4:24 PM:how about ditching the practice of watering roadway medians? or at least not watering them when it's raining?

It is a fact wrote on Aug 18, 2008 5:45 PM:...that it is believed that pumps kill the fish.

not fair wrote on Aug 18, 2008 8:41 PM:in my condo building , one unit runs their shower for the longest time. There are 6 people in there also in 2 bedrooms. Since all the units are on one meter, we all pay equally. If this family had to pay their OWN bill...they couldn't afford the water they waste. Burns me up to see how some people just don't care and won't make ANY effort to conserve!

Illegal Aliens wrote on Aug 18, 2008 10:19 PM:Are to blame for the water shortage, along with the fish fiasco. Deport both, and see the water use reduce.

We don't really have a water shortage, we just have an artificially produced supply blockage, along with an inflated abuse of resources by MILLIONS of illegal aliens who are not even supposed to be here in the first place.

God, when will we get some politicians who will do what is right? This county is going down the tubes fast.

Waste not want not wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:09 PM:I see thousands of gallons wasted every day -- by my roomates when they take ten-minute showers, at car washes, by lawn sprinklers that water the streets, at golf courses, on non-native vegetation on every corner. And yet you act like the ruling on the delta smelt means you have to get ground up in the pumps in their place.

News for you: We're not just killing the delta smelt here. Salmon populations are in bad shape, too. Pretty soon it's going to be just us and the cockroaches and jellyfish, and you'll still be whining because you can't water your golf course every day. Shame on you.

And "not fair" brings up an excellent point. Water agencies should just triple their rates and then all of these special conservation programs would be unnecessary. The owners of apartment buildings would begin installing meters on every unit to take care of freeloaders.

Meanwhile, the U.S. and Mexican governments are spending millions of dollars a year to restore parts of the Sea of Cortes because of reduced water flows from the Colorado River. In effect, the two countries are subsidizing our golf courses, car washes and Hollywood showers.

Taxpayer wrote on Aug 18, 2008 11:48 PM:If they are serious about water conservation why are they allowing more building to occur? More buildings equals more water used. Someone must be paying off the dishonest government people.

Alf wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:12 AM:I wonder if NEW permits and NEW water meters have stopped being issued.
My blood boils to hear calls for conservation when MORE NEW meters, more people using MORE WATER, is still going on.
I'll cut back when -
A) water becomes too expensive OR
B) when NEW water meters STOP BEING ISSUED.
You can't have it both ways, calling for conservation while handing out NEW METERS willy-nilly just does not cut the mustard.
Regards, Alf.

lady wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:32 AM:They are talking about "protecting a fish" OH MY GOSH,get over it!! Also I agree with some on here " DEPORT" ALL the illgals BINGO ,solve ALL kinds of problems!!

JimRT wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:49 AM:"Conserve water or the government will do it for you." What a joke, I wish they would take that attitude with other issues. Keep pushing your personnel agendas and we will turn on you.

Jsten wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:59 AM:"They called it paradise.

I don't know why

if you call someplace paradise, kiss it goodbye...."

To Gov Arnold wrote on Aug 19, 2008 6:13 AM:Yup you do that Arnold force on us conservation while you totally ignore the consumption of water from the millions of uninvited border crashers in this state. And we have the environmentalists putting up all the road blocks they can to stop desalination. Not one official in this state has the guts to stand and confront the obvious. They are all spineless the lot of them.

Water Trucks wrote on Aug 19, 2008 6:36 AM:Those water trucks used to wet down dirt roads to reduce dust in construction zones carry 600K gallons of water and are used a couple of times a day. Maybe by cutting down the EPA requirements for dust particles we wouldn't have to be micromanaged by the government over our showers and tooth brushing habits!

What are they going to do wrote on Aug 19, 2008 6:48 AM:Go around and get a head count of how many people live in each home, and allot the water accordingly?

GAS wrote on Aug 19, 2008 6:50 AM:Why not...it's exactly what they did with gas. A new form of fueling our transportation came out and hardly anyone was buying the cars...UNTIL they forced us to want to conserve by raising the prices...

Tuck wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:02 AM:Why should I conserve when the government is so wasteful. I am simply modeling their behavior. I don’t know how to conserve. Maybe they can show me.
Here is what I do now:
• 10 minute shower twice a day
• Water my lawn 5 days a week
• Run the dishwasher nightly
• Don’t turn water off when brushing my teeth or shaving
• Wash my own car
• Flush after urination (low-flow toilets though)

So, government please show me how to conserve, because you are so good…NOT!

Water Rates wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:07 AM:Water rates ARE going up, soon and multiple times. The city of Oceanside will soon be voting on significant rate increases. People in master-metered multi-family dwellings, though, will continue to get off the hook because they have no incentive to conserve.

John E wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:31 AM:As in most crisis situations, there is no single solution. We need to conserve, we need to cut back on the issuance of new water meters, we need to make sure LEGAL residents and citizens have water, we need to do more with wastewater reclamation, we need to capture and use "nuisance" storm runoff water, and we need to build desal plants.

Yeah wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:33 AM:then you better ell the Illegal Aliens living 20 to an apartment to rotate on showers. If Illegals don't conserve, then we won't conserve.

So penalize wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:35 AM:Southern California because of a hugh illegal alien population? DO YOUR JOB AND DEPORT! Then we will have lots of water.

No more freeways wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:44 AM:Stop building more freeways. Ea. new road means a developer can develope more land. Stop the roads , stop the developers. Stop the developers and you stop the increase in water use and the increase in pollution. That would limit the size of the economy in Ca. That would force illegals out and half the current population. I hate to state the obvious, but Everybody in South American , Canada, and the U.S. CAN'T LIVE IN CA LEEE FOR NI A. So go a head Arnie.. shut off the water , shut down the CA. Economy... Please... Start today!!!

Carter wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:45 AM:The way I see it there are four major action that we can take to assure our water future: First - the smelt problem is solvable by building a device to prevent the smelt from getting into the pumps in the delta; something on the order of the device that prevents beaver from getting into drain pipes. This solution is so obvious one would think that it was being avoided purposely. In addition perhaps we should find a third party judge, say from back East, to hear the case.
Second: Solve the problem of the mollusks that are threatening the all American Canal. I have read several ways that it could be done - lets just do it.
Third: Install plastic or concrete liners in the All American Canal to prevent seepage.
Forth: Close down the border to illegal traffic. The wall has proven itself. It seems that it is time to send the CA National Guard to the border on a permanent basis.
It is not a light at the end of the tunnel we see - it is water rationing that three days ago I thought was several years away. However, according to what the Gov says it will start this summer. Of course, rationing could have been avoided if he and his gang had done their job starting two years ago when he/they brought the four items mention above to the public's attention. They are dragging their feet and now threatening rationing as a solution. Well it is upon us because he/they have failed at their job. From this point on water and electricity are the Gov's top jobs.
I suggest that a Fast Track of all Fast Tracks be implemented in our state judicial system to hear nothing but water and electrical problems, because they have became life threatening issues in Southern California. All you have to do is look a little ahead to see it.

Well Now wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:57 AM:While I do believe that the illegal population does cause us a huge monetary burden, I do NOT believe that they are part of the water problem.

Most of the illegals I have seen live in the weeds on the side of the roads, sides of the hills.

So, do blame them for the water problem.

Ask wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:02 AM:Kinda funny, an article came out a few weeks ago.

North County and most other parts of the county were conserving 20-30%, but yet the city of San Diego could only squeak out a 2% cutback. We know where to start!

What wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:05 AM:Hey people I know illegal immigration is a problem but it's not a scapegoat. You need to start conserving! To "Lady" how about cutting out pedicures or hair washing at salons. Has anyone mentioned how much the California government wastes washing all those nice shiny vehicles everyday? What about State Vehicles? OH... Wait it maybe illegals driving the government vehicles. (LOL)

To Well now wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:08 AM:better leave your nice middle class neighborhoods and open your eyes to over crowed apartments city wide.

I REFUSE wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:09 AM:Shut down our water during an election cycle, I dare you!

to what are they going to do wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:23 AM:well if SDGE can up your rates after a certain "usage point" ( and they don't ask how many people live off your meter) why can't the water rate cost figure something out ? My point is it's not fair I pay the same as nexr door when they WASTE it and I conserve . Oh ..but they don't run their A/C even on the hottest days as they have to pay the SDGE bill. See my point? When all units are on one meter- people act as if water were FREE.

These clowns in wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:25 AM:office need to resign before the people riot ... And lets say they are close to being right, how many of the 38 MILLION ILLEGAL ALIENS are in California using up our water? "Small thinkers like George W. Bush, John McCain, Barack Obama, and nearly all Democrats continue to perpetuate the outrageous myth that America cannot deport upwards of 38 million illegal aliens." DEPORT NOW!

To Ask and More wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:27 AM:That's because San Diego doesn't have any agriculture. Not to say they couldn't probably do more.

But, Alf had it right way up at the top of this. The people are being sold a bill of goods on this one. The water "crisis" has been created by two things 1) To many new houses and 2) To many regulations LIMITING OUR SUPPLIES. In other words, our illustrious government has CAUSED THIS to happen to us. Just as with energy, the resources are there, the technology is there, and people have lots of ideas about how to apply it, but WE THE PEOPLE aren't holding our leaders accountable when it comes to actually fixing the problem.

Figures wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:27 AM:Elected people not doing their jobs over the years. Arnie doesn't have the guts to sue the Feds over the Delta Smelt and go against the Environuts. We are headed toward becoming a 3rd world country. No water, no oil, no farming, no food. The list goes on. Thank your local Environut group and keep sending them your donations!! Also keep voting the Democrats in as they have led us to where we are!

Hey Arnie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:33 AM:Your job is to get us water NOT take it away. You and the legislature need to get us water OR ELSE get voted out! We have voted bond after bond for clean water etc. Use that. Do your job!

It is time to wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:05 AM:do another Gray Davis, break out the petitions everyone. This time include senators and congressmen.

Reardon wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:14 AM:"WATER: Conserve or we'll do it for you, state says"

WATER: Find more of it or we will replace you, voters say.

Rates wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:16 AM:Less than $30 of my $200 water bill is for water. Cut the fees, charge a per person rate and raise the price of water...

Sam wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:19 AM:These new schools being built are using and will be using alot of water. Take a good look at the one on Melrose and HWY 76, and another one on Melrose and Santa Fe. Scare tactics are not working anymore, are they. I don't think anyone believes the government crap. What a mess.

Borrego wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:22 AM:To Taxpayer and Alf-

What exactly are new water permits being issued for? I just heard on the news this a.m. that new home construction is down 11% from this time last year.

Reardon wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:23 AM:We can start solving the water shortage by replacing all of those elected water boards with private enterprise.

If General Motors was delivering water to San Diego County, can you picture them advertising, “Please buy less of our product!”?

GM’s profit would drop, their stock would fall, and their CEO would be collecting unemployment.

A private water system would find water sources, because their stock prices would rise with newly found sources, and the private company would prosper. As it stands, employees of the government-run system continue to collect their salaries whether a drop of water is delivered or not.

If water was a profit-making process, there would be giant, encapsulated icebergs floating toward Southern California.

We have been awaiting a privately funded desalinization plant for decades — to be paid for by greedy capitalists anxious to bring us water — and it has been delayed for decades by the same government apparatus that stifles the delivery of water from other sources. Not a penny of government money has been asked for by Poseidon Resources, Inc. of Connecticut, who wants to spend $300 million to bring us water.

As is usually the case with such good deeds, it did not go unpunished. Two environmental organizations sued, contending that the sea water returned to the ocean had more salinity than the ocean itself.

Ask wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:24 AM:You lost the point. Every city in county except for 1 had higher conservation efforts than the city of SD.

I cut down dramatically on my watering, conserved 20%. Guess thats too much for the city of SD folks.

Conserved so much, I actually get a decent discount for it.

Joe wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:27 AM:Typical San Diego attitudes..alas. "Screw the environment and blame illegals."
We're talking about water conservation here, do your part it's a lot more complex than the smelt issue and blaming illegal immigrants for water supply issues is arguably the dumbest thing I've heard in yonkers. It's a desert and importing water has made people somehow forget that. Same thing all across the arid southwest. Clean freshwater is delicate resource not just here but across the whole world. Stop flushing it away like you do with your brain cells when you watch Fox news.

Good comes from Bad wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:57 AM:In some senses, the mortgage meltdown should be contributing to way less overall water usage. Not only do we have the homes that are vacant subsequent to foreclosure, but a huge inventory of brand new homes that remain unoccupied because no one can afford them. Both types of vacanct homes aren't using nearly as much water as they would if someone lived in them. Imagine the forced conservation we would have if they were!

To Joe wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:20 AM:our point exactly, Joe, do the math, you have X amount of water for X amount of people, now remove X amount of people and GEE Joe you have more water for everyone else remaining. Rocket Science Joe!

Hey question wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:22 AM:my fellow Californians, how much water are they conserving up North where the little fishys hang out?

rodgers wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:22 AM:I DO NOT HAVE TO CONSERVE WATER BECAUSE I PAY MY WATER BILL I WILL USE AS MUCH WATER AS I WANT TO BECAUSE THATS THE WAY IT IS AND THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT YOU CAN NOT THREATEN PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD UPSIDE DOWN AND YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING

Funny wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:31 AM:Those fish are not even native... they were imported into the canal when it was built, so this has been going on for years. I wonder what econut finally figured out?

I afraid Arnie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:35 AM:has dropped some barbells on his head. Arnie go back to telling us the perils of Global Warming and that keeping our tires inflated will educe the need to purchase foreign oil, but never, ever touch any issue dealing with REAL ISSUES, THAT AFFECT REAL PEOPLE. He reminds me of Peolsi and her goofball group who wants a pat on the back for passing equal pay for eqaul work, while the real issues such as Economy and Illegal Aliens are said aside as they are afraid to do anything.

Herb wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:40 AM:"Conserve or we'll do it for you, state says" Gov.'s panel gives tough warning.
So there we have it - they fail at their jobs and now they want to play king. I don't like their attitude - so it would be best for them and the Governor to update their resumes.

susan wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:42 AM:There is the proverbial elephant in the room that no one, not the government, not the local populace,is willing to recognize. That is that we cannot continue to REPRODUCE at the rate we are and still have enough natural resources, (whether water, oil, food,clean air, or open space)to go around. China recognized they had a problem long ago and acted on it by limiting families to one child. That is having some serious social consequences due to the Chinese desire for male children. How much better it would be if all persons recognized the problem and adjusted their reproductive capacity accordingly. It seems impossible to discuss this in a rational way because of the involvement of religious beliefs. Please think, folks, so we don't have the government making these decisions for you.

susan wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:49 AM:As I drive the streets of tract after tract of housing, what I see every day is water running down the gutter, sometimes in large enough quantities to support the growth of algae. Poorly adjusted or broken sprinklers, running the sprinklers too long, bad soil preparation---any one of these factors can cause this. Actually how dumb can we be? Growing front yard lawns (which return nothing on investment) on the edge of a desert. Time to rip them up and replace with nice Mediterranean climate plants for landscape purposes, or better yet, replace with vegetable gardens and fruit trees. That way the $$ you spend on water will give a positive return on investment in the form of fruits and veggies (organically grown, of course) for the family dinner table.

Lawnboy wrote on Aug 19, 2008 10:53 AM:What is being done to increase the water supply? Where are the desalinization plants? Why is there no building moratorium? Why arnt the press asking these questions? Conservation is at best a short term solution!!!

I use more water. wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:22 AM:I received a warning from my Home Owners Association this week that they will fine me $50 because my lawn looks dry. So, I'll be running about $45 worth of water on my front lawn so I don't get fined. Gotta make the desert look pretty!

I love CA wrote on Aug 19, 2008 11:39 AM:It's amazing there is even a house available for sale in this great state. No smoking or drinking on the beach, hands-free, forced water reduction, no trans-fat, religious & medical persecution, "immigrant" rights, no budget, overcrowded freeways, highest paid teachers with next to lowest results, global climate change agenda, same sex marriage, no egg-industry, no oil drilling; California is an absolute freedom-filled paradise!

Jaque wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:00 PM:You should see the gross amounts of water wasted on useless turf at the counties parks.

ngln wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:03 PM:Who believes anything that those idiot politicians in Sacramento say. They all need to be removed form office.

Alf wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:09 PM:Well, "Borrego" at 9:22AM,
construction being down 11 percent still means,
that there are NEW water meters being issued, ADDED, at 89 percent of the rate that they were issued last year.
ANY ADDITIONAL water meter that is ADDED is one too many,
IF WE ARE TOLD TO "Conserve or we'll [the state] do it for you".
I sent the governor an email saying what my 5:12AM post said.
Regards, Alf.

I nd Susan wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:10 PM:I agree; if you have a child, YOU pay for it's food, WATER and education. I have a cat, and I pay for his food, water and supplies.

To I love CA wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:24 PM:California is a eliteist dream come true. A state ruled not by the people but by crooked politicans and eliteist.

Count them one wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:36 PM:just one democrate with enogh spine to stand up and say NO! Toss the crooked Dems out of office, NOW! SACRAMENTO ---- A Democratic member of the Assembly was kicked out of her Capitol office Monday for not supporting the party's state budget proposal. Assemblywoman Nicole Parra, of Hanford, said she was not surprised about being punished for abstaining from Sunday night's budget vote, but was "a little taken back" by Democratic leaders' decision to move her office across the street from the Capitol to another state building.

OCEANSIDE wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:36 PM:In the middle of all new vision plans Oceanside has not touched once on this topic??

Oceanside needs as much sustainability as possilbe. The monies saved can then be distributed to Police, and Fire Fighters and Schools...

PLEASE OCEANSIDE START A POSITIVE CHANGE NOW.

Reardon wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:37 PM:To I Love CA: Wish I had written your 11:39 post.

THAT is tight, cogent writing!

Polly wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:39 PM:I agree with Susan. If we do not limit our population growth, all is lost. People need shelters; building shelters consumes materials and energy. People consume water, food and energy. Until people realize there is a terrible, long-term consequence to having large numbers of children, there will be no solving our various environmental problems.

I guess some of wrote on Aug 19, 2008 12:42 PM:California losers and the Governor just can't comprehend what all of America knows. To many people here!
A new and more nuanced national report about fertility shows a significantly higher share of babies are born to immigrants in California than in any other state, even as a lower-than-average share of the state's births are to poor women and women on welfare.

water is important wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:15 PM:keep our water for:
water: health
water: crops
water: other agriculture
water: drink for our body
water: keep areas clean
water: some recreation
water: toilet needs
water: fight wildfires
water: prevent wildfires
water: quality of life
water: clean clothes
water: pets
water: business (restaurant, biotech, car wash, etc.)

stop water for:
new developments of 20 or more homes
golf (use gray water)
those who don't ask in restaurants
rain forests for landscapes

mandate the use of drought tolerant plants that are also fire-resistant or fire-retardant.

check for water leaks
fix the leaks

our government leaders must step forward and show us that they too are involved in using water wisely.

desalinate, desalinate, desalinate.

Vista Resident wrote on Aug 19, 2008 1:43 PM:Awhile ago, every city in California was being required by a state Board under the current Governor to build a certain amount of housing in their communities -- whether they wanted to or not. Our communities were being required to build more houses that need more water.

Right-on Rodgers wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:09 PM:Rodgers' post was perfect! I pay my water bill so there is NOTHING anyone, including the government, can do to stop me. I have plenty of money to pay for water so I'll use whatever I please. GO AWAY!

par for the course wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:34 PM:Oops. While trying to do my part and conserve I really pulled a boner. I have shut off my timer on the automatic sprinklers with the theory that I would water the landscaping when it looked like it needed it. Things went really well until today when I realized the sprinkler I turned on yesterday at 5:00 pm was still running at 3:00pm today. I have about 4 inches of standing H2O in the backyard

I think I'll turn the timers back on. The lawn in the backyard should be nice and green for quite some time.

Raoul wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:41 PM:The solution here is simple. Calculate the per person water needs for basic sanitation and health and provide that amount at a highly subsidized rate. ALL other water consumption is billed at a premium. You want to run a golf course then you can pay for the TRUE cost of terraforming the desert into a 50-acre, grass paradise. Good luck paying those green fees.

Patrick wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:45 PM:Use the water! If you don't, some developer will use it as an excuse to build more homes here!

To Water Trucks wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:53 PM:So, let's see here..600,000 gallons of water huh?

If water weighed one pound per gallon, then these trucks carry 600,000 pounds of cargo?

The weight limit of a semi truck without trailer...that's a steer axle and dual axles in the rear is 46,000 pounds. 12,000 pounds for the steer axle and 34,000 pounds for the rear axles...yet water trucks carry 600,000 gallons?

But dude, water weighs in at 8.35 pounds per gallon. This means that these water trucks are carrying 5,010,000 pounds!

Where do you get your news? From Dan Rather?

This is the kind of thing we don't need. Too many people can't think and will believe anything they hear!

The politicans must be wrote on Aug 19, 2008 3:55 PM:notified, this is America, land of the free, not the land of free stuff.

toRight - on Rodgers wrote on Aug 19, 2008 4:02 PM:Understandable, but money as well as water does not grow on trees.

"As money is the root to all problems"

Since you like your money wouldn't you want to save it for some other foolish, materialistic purchase?

How about when we have no other choice but go toilet to tap for your water bill will only be able to produce this type since most of the people like your selfish type suck up everyones right to a natural substance we all rely on...???

ANSWER ANY OF THESE...open your mind

Arnies Water Bill wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:15 PM:Arnold's mansion probably uses more water than twenty average California homes. Just another one those elite corrupt politicians who don't practice what they preach. I thought Al Gore was bad.

To To Right on Rogers wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:24 PM:There are not enough Bentleys to go around, so Bentleys are rationed by price. Them what can afford them have them, and I don't -- that's life.

now if I could talk RR into making millions of Bentleys we all could have one, and if we could talk "water authorities" to actually look for water, we all could have water.

But "public officials" in the "water authority" continue to get paid regardless of how much water they provide. They have no incentive to find more water resources -- it just means more work for them with no reward so in fact there is a disincentive to find more water!

Here we sit on the edge of the largest known water source in the known universe, the Pacific Ocean, and we have an entity that wants to desalinate it for us but we let the Surfrider Foundation obstruct our source.

When France decided it was a national priority to have nuclear power, they simply banned environmental lawsuits.

The time has come to pluck feathers and heat tar!

Karl wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:44 PM:Raoul @ 3:41 PM: What about the golf courses that have worked hard to subsidize the water from my toilet to the water on my golf course? If my golf course quits watering with toilet water, where will the gazzilion acres feet of toilet water go then?

Bring it on Raoul, I'm ready on this one.

double bogie wrote on Aug 19, 2008 5:49 PM:Arnies Water Bill @ 5:15 PM:. we have facts on Gore's lifestyle. do you happen to have facts on Arnies H2O usage. By the way, please refer to our Governor as Arnold, the Terminator, the Governator or any such silly made up name. Please drop the term "Arnie" which is the handle of one of the greatest golfers and humanists of all time. Thank You

Peace

East Esco Resident wrote on Aug 19, 2008 6:02 PM:I live in eastern Escondido. We get our water from Lake Henshaw. No smelt involved! Is the Governor going to turn off our water?

Patriot wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:22 PM:I lived through the 1970s drought in the Bay Area. Don't believe for a second that you can't or won't have your water rationed. Every household got something like 49 gallons a day. One minute showers. Smelly toilets. I collected the gray rinse water from the washing machine and put in on the few plants in the yard worth saving and everything else died. Get ready to lug water around like a citizen of a third world country. This is what our politicians and judges have planned for us to protect illegal aliens, wealthy developers and the smelt.

Dennis wrote on Aug 19, 2008 7:51 PM:you all have to agree after a message like this from Goverment water usage goes up. to clean all the B.S. off use, put the fish on ice!

Oasis wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:08 PM:If you live in a desert, like we do, one of the problems is that there ain't no water.

If we only had the use of the water in our area, San Diego could never have been developed as much as it did.

Since we must rely on the kindness of strangers up north to pump us the water we need every day to fill our toilets and water our lawns, we have to submit ourselves to certain conditions, namely, state and federal laws. One of these is the endangered species act, the precise point of which is to save species which are on the brink of non-existences from the angry mob with pitchforks and torches. (That would be you all).

If you don't like the endangered species act, write your lawmakers and have them rewrite it or repealed. It's not like countless others haven't tried before you. The reason the endangered species act has survived so long is that, in hindsight, saving the Smelt (or whatever critter) has been exactly the right thing to do.

Respect the rule of law or lobby to get it changed. Y'all cite the rule of law when you rail against illegal immigrants, but somehow the rule of law is a horrible thing when we might have to work together to save water in a drought. I guess those who keep with the "rule of law" arguments only mean it for laws they agree with at the moment.

Oasis is Right wrote on Aug 19, 2008 8:56 PM:At least insofar as the Delta Smelt is concerned. The Judge was pretty much handcuffed by the Congressional law on Endangered Species, and that law hides a multitude of sins.

As usual, Congresscritters are the major problem, and only e-mails, letters and phone calls will have any impact.

Writing Blog entries may make you feel good, but it has zero political impact. Letters and phone calls are the coin of the realm.

Christine wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:09 PM:If Government doesn't make it mandatory people will find excuses to use as much as they like. This is serious and I say enforce it!

Hypocrites Water Bill wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:21 PM:My apologies double booger for using the Almighty Arnold Palmer's name in vain. WaTerminator's bill is $$$$$$$ worth of water. The more we save, the more corrupt politicans and their cronies can continue to waste.

Piece

rational wrote on Aug 19, 2008 9:32 PM:Anyone who thinks they are entitled to all the water they can use simply because they pay their bill is either in denial that their cost of water doesn't reflect a true market cost, and they surely don't want a private management company inflicting that on them.

There are an estimated (2007) 36,553,215 people in California. There are an estimated (2007) 3,470,000 illegal aliens. Even assuming that cutting 10% of the population would reduce 10% of the water usage (it wouldn't since illegals don't stereotypically have green lawns and mansions), the 10% of water usage wouldn't put a dent in the demand for water from those who remained, and those who would legally take the place of those deported.

Everyone needs to do their part, fresh water is a finite resource. The solution is not to simply demand that your extravagant lifestyle be allowed to continue uninterrupted simply because "that's the way it is"

Alf wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:11 AM:Well, "Christine" at 9:09PM,
the true hypocrites ARE the government agencies.
How else do you or can you explain calls for conservation and threats of rationing or cutbacks ALL THE WHILE NEW WATER METERS, which mean MORE demand, ARE STILL BEING ISSUED?
Either we are facing a water shortage and ALL new demands for water MUST BE STOPPED AS WELL AS conserving water
OR we don't actually have a shortage,
they (the state) can't have it both ways!
It's like me telling you that you must lend me money for gas because I have a shortage of money,
and I go blow the money at Pala.
Do you see my point? Does anyone?
Regards, Alf

desalinate wrote on Aug 20, 2008 5:27 AM:Gee, I was going to use water to generate hydrogen and oxygen through onboard electrolysis to increase the mileage on my car.
Now I can't even do that:-(

Growth wrote on Aug 20, 2008 6:14 AM:"Population growth is erasing the gains that the United States has made in conserving energy. High energy prices, traffic jams, and diminishing resources are symptoms of the overpopulation problem. With the nation's population increasing by 3 million each year, Americans won't be able to conserve their way out of the energy shortages," said Diana Hull, the organization's President.

Soaring gasoline prices have led to reduced driving and much public debate, but little attention has been given to the role of population growth in increasing demand."California's per capita energy consumption has been flat for over 30 years, even though consumers acquired new, more, and bigger power hungry gadgets. Yet the state's total energy consumption has increased dramatically along with the state's population and this growth overwhelmed all the gains we made in conservation and energy efficiency," continued Hull.

The United States now has a population of 305 million, a number that is projected to jump by another 100 million in 30 years. If no action is taken to change policies causing this increase, the U.S. will face a population of 600 million people by the end of the century.

Time to gather up wrote on Aug 20, 2008 7:26 AM:the torches and pitchforks and run the monsters out of Sacramento. Someone please remember to bring the tar and feathers along.

Raoul wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:02 AM:RE Karl
Sorry Karl but your golf is not subsidizing anything. They're taking advantage of pulic infrastructure to obtain reclaimed (which IS treated) water at a significantly reduced price. So it is, in fact, the other way around, i.e. you're subsidizing the golf course. Just one more example of business finding an externality to sluff the REAL cost of business onto. America's belief in capatilism is becoming increasingly pathetic.

Lady wrote on Aug 20, 2008 8:26 AM:To " What" are you NUTS,what a ding bat thing to say on here " I do my own nails,and cut my own hair",you are TOO much.
As to this problem "No more new houses,NO illegals" Bingo problem solved. The illegals ARE not ALL hiding in the bushes they live up & down our streets...

The Govenor wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:40 AM:needs to stop using the people of California as pawns. First he can't write a budget that protects the children of this state. He opens the borders so I can help support millions of illegal unwanted aliens. THen he is punishing me for the water consumption. What is next? Oh, lets not forget all the "non violent convicts" he wants to release back into society. Also all the people who work for the state of california who are in jepordy of loosing their homes because they lost there wadges. Please get this bozoo out of office.

We are talking wrote on Aug 20, 2008 9:52 AM:conserving water, who is talking to landlords renting 20 people to an apartment for 20 daily showers?

Answer wrote on Aug 20, 2008 10:51 AM:Toilet to Tap for:
Landscapes
For All Sewer Lines/Toilet water
All lines outside of home
All Washing Machine Lines

Fresh Water for:
Drinking,
Crops,
Showers.

Its SO SIMPLE- STATE POLITICS WILL RUN AROUND WITH ANALYSIS THIS AND THAT SPENDING WAY TOO MUCH TIME -

JUST GET IT DONE ALL READY-BEFORE WE ARE WITH OUT- STOP WASTING OUR TIME, MONIES, & WATER

Flush OUt

Confusious Say... wrote on Aug 20, 2008 11:25 AM:Let's stop with our medical expansion so that people don't live as long...this equals a drop in population.

Keep having more wars, as unfortunate as the deaths are, this equals a drop in population.

Stop encouraging underage, premarital sex (through media, entertainment, laws allowing children to obtain birthcontrol without parents knowledge-only 100% effective birthcontrol is abstinence) and there will be a drop in population (and unwanted pregnancies and in abortions too).

China's population was soaring, so the legislated that a couple could only have one child. Child rearing is a personal choice and should not be regulated by the government. If we allowed that to happen here, we as a society would be giving up our one of our freedom's to government regulation. There are plenty of regular bloggers on here that I have read frequently say that there is too much government regulation.

Maybe, just maybe if we hadn't interfered with nature and started putting in dam's, adjusting the flow of rivers then there wouldn't be some of the ecological problems we have nowadays. Course, LA might not be as big as it is today, but again, population issue solved!

hay Arnold wrote on Aug 20, 2008 12:24 PM:Google Arnolds web site and let him know how you feel about this, try to be nice.

What the Heck wrote on Aug 20, 2008 4:31 PM:Confucius Say some really interesting things -- like society interfering with nature.

He/she mentions dams, but it is in the nature of man to interfere with nature, in fact to conquer nature. Nature had us dying at the age of 35, but we invented medicine and pharmaceuticals and we now die at nearly 80 on average.

Yes, we "interfere" with nature, and admittedly we would have a much smaller population if we didn't "interfere" with all the medical advances, but I suspect Confucius Say would not agree with ending that interference.

He/she is "selective."