NONONONO wrote on Aug 25, 2008 5:33 PM:I proudly voted no!!!

Dave wrote on Aug 25, 2008 6:41 PM:Oh so the idea came from Tri City officials how lovely! Now is this legal? I asked the register voters this question and they were not able to answer me. I asked them to site the codes that allowed for a ballot to be placed at the door of the entity asking for the money and not in a neutral location. Why not a several neutral locations? Why the TCMC and not local post offices? This election should be challenged and that is the bottom line.

We need to challenge the drop off box wrote on Aug 25, 2008 6:47 PM:The entire process of this election should be challenged. Start of with the mail in ballots and move on to the so called, "drop off box." I wonder if the Register Voters will be filing out the ballots for these last minute folks? Sure why not if TCMC asks you to you should right?

no ballot wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:18 PM:I'm in San Marcos should I have gotten a Ballot? I didn't...

Daren wrote on Aug 25, 2008 7:48 PM:Tri-City means Oceanside, Carlsbad and Vista. If you're not in one of those cities, you should not receive a ballot. There's also no reason why the drop-off spot cannot be at TCMC. There are many post offices in those 3 cities. Choosing one post office for all three cities to go to is lame. It makes the most sense for the drop-off spot to be at the site where this whole vote is going to impact.

I voted yes.

Daren wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:13 PM:The County Court House is just down the road from TCMC, very accessable to all three Cities and would be considered Nutral! Why not the Court House?

the County Registrar of Voters needs to be careful on this one as they are opening up an even bigger can of worms!

I voted NO, NO, and NO a third time! It is far past time to privatize this Hospital! Sell TCMC and use the proceeds to provide even more and better Emergency Management for the Tri-Cities Area! The County is already getting ready to ask us all for additional funds to cover Wild Fires. If we sold TCMC we would be able to buy and operate our own squadron of fire fighting helicopters, and we could contract them out to the rest of the county for a fee! But, with TCMC we just keep having to pay for all those who use the Hospital and fail to pay their bills. Stated in official documents filed in Sacramento to be over $1 Million each month!!!
Vote NO and demand the Hospital be put on the block for sale! In less than two years time we will have an ER and Trauma Center that will make the rest of the county envious!

Phew wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:18 PM:This whole prop A thing fails the smell test.

rigged wrote on Aug 25, 2008 8:50 PM:voted no, but it will pass

agree with phew wrote on Aug 25, 2008 9:11 PM:it stinks to high heaven.

Me too wrote on Aug 25, 2008 10:26 PM:This smells bad all the way around. Why not have the drop off at a neutral location like the Courthouse? I voted no and so did everyone else I know.

Disgruntled voter wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:23 AM:TCM and PPH are 2 peas in a pod. Grasp at straws and put your last shots into efforts that are borderline illegal. You can bet that PPH is watching to see if these sleezy tactics work. There is good $ to be skimmed in the healthcare game if one is clever. DUH! Why do you think the CEO's draw their huge salaries??? DUH!!!

Lady wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:04 AM:Once again Voted No,No,No,I agree with some on here "this smells"of dishonest people!!!

ALWAYS NO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:29 AM:If this stupid thing passes, lets put up a checkpoint at TCH to make sure only O'side,Carlsbad, and Vista residence are allowed in to get service or work since we are the ones getting STUCK with paying for this. Since we know this won't happen, how about a fast pass like Disneyland, bring in your tax bill move to the head of the line.

Prop is a JOKE wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:35 AM:Tri-City is going to be very disappointed in the results of this vote. The tax payers are much wiser than they think. Most everyone I have chatted with says " NO WAY, JOSE! " your not getting anymore property tax out of me! This proposition is a scam if I ever saw one!

How vain is Tri-city for having the only drop off ballot box in the Tri-city parking lot.

They will be lucky if 3 people show up. By the way, I too voted NO!

Sounds like a wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:40 AM:Conflict of interest to me. The employees will staff the box drop of in the tri-city parking lot! How stupid does tri-city think we are?

RG wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:40 AM:This prop has been a scam since it began. Who in their right mind would vote yes for something that has been shrouded in lies and cover ups? The people will not stand for this, Tri-City should of saved the campain money and spent it in wiser ways.

Smart wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:25 AM:The drop off is located at Tri-City to give them a way out if the vote doesn't go their way.
If it doesn't pass, they'll say it wasn't legal to have it there in the first place.
If it passes, they know the opponents won't have the financial ability to fight.

LAWSUIT TIME... wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:56 AM:if miraculously the bond measures happens to pass. I VOTED NO...AGAIN ...as I did the last two times. I will vote NO in any future attempt as well. NO NO NO

chickenlittle wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:04 AM:It's too bad we don't have ballots in this house. We have four voters.
I'll just be glad they aren't calling my house at least twice a day, visiting all weekend.

Jill wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:40 AM:What a joke!! Putting the ballot box at the site of the hospital! Huge conflict of interest!! Bad decision Registrar!! BAD!! This could lead toward lawsuits!!

Reality Check wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:49 AM:You people sound paraoid and ignorant - The polling place is at Tri-City because they asked nicely. ... If this were a school bond you'd all vote for it in a heartbeat. Try thinking about the greater good instead of yourselves just once.

victoria wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:57 AM:no.

Randy wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:13 AM:Having the drop-off box at the hospital is in poor taste. But that does not affect the measure itself. To ensure quality care in the event of a stroke or heart attack for you, your children, and your grandchildren, join me in voting YES on Prop. A!

NO NO NO NO NO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:47 AM:I called to make sure that I'd get a ballot and I didn't. I should have. What a scam of a "voting process". They know this wouldn't be approved through the legal voting process, so they are taking it through the back door. No! They are influencing it via their front door!!! What a scam!

Schools are honest wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:52 AM:Tri-City has be crooked and self- serving money grubbers. NO NO NO

Good grief wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:17 AM:Everyone had a month to mail in their ballots. Now your crying in your milk and screaming fraud because your given one more chance to excersize your right to vote. It's scary that that kind of mentality is so rampant out there. It's also that same kind of ignorance that is causing people to vote no. If you haven't voted yet, please, do the right thing and vote yes.

Paula wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:21 AM:Shame on all of you with your negative naive opinions! Let's look at even the bigger picture,beyond the drop off point. First,if you knew the truth about patients who don't pay their bills, look around you. They live in your community and were not necessarily born in other countries! Secondly, Next time one of you opposed to the bond, is in need of emergency treatment you can call 911 and take a ride to Palomar, Encinitas or if they cant help you, La Jolla, for that stroke or heart attack.Thats a long ride when every minute counts!

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:34 AM:VOTE YES on Measure A! It's going to pass anyway, so why not join the winners!! Now, don't forget to drop off your ballots as the article shows, if you haven't voted yet. Those who will vote NO, but who haven't voted yet, DON'T BOTHER.

Come on wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:42 AM:Tri City Hospital is owned by the District and its voters, so why is the hospital not a neutral location? There is no pleasing some of you freeloaders.

Concerned wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:12 AM:It's disheartening to see reactions and the reasons for no votes for this Bond. I guess the 2500+ people employeed at TCMC are of no concern to the 'No voters'. The CEO's salary? Who cares, have you seen how much CEO's make for the companies you buy your clothes, cell phones, auto's etc. Who say's Sharp or Scripps would want to Buy TCMC. They'd have to fork over $600million anyway to retrofit. Where do you think they'll try to get the $ from. So the hospital finally made profit this year. People are unhappy about this?? But, then they complain when TCMC doesn't turn a profit. Can TCMC win at all with some poeple or is it just personal agenda's because they don't like an administrator, got fired from TCMC or have a beef w/ someone at the Hospital?
VOTE YES! I know I want a modern facility for me or my family that's close to home to give them the best chances.

NO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 11:55 AM:This bond has been disguised as a lack of EMERGENCY services for the residents. Do you really think all this bond money is going to the Emergency Department? NO. People have complained about wait times in the ER. Do you really think that if you are having an emergency (i.e. life threatening event) you will wait in the ER? NO. It's called triage. The people with the most serious events are treated first. That's the way it goes. The people waiting in the ER for hours at a time should reconsider their "emergency". Try going to a clinic or your personal MD. Don't have one or don't want to wait a few days, expect a delay at the ER. I am also curious as to the staffing at the renovated hospital, once it is built will the hospital staff it or just have more room. What good is a new hospital without people to take care of you?

Oceanside Chris wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:03 PM:This is a SCAM from the start. A mail-in ballot, now pickup at the hospital. SCAM! Why can't the Cry City For Your Money Hospital wait until November. Because there are other tax increases on that ballot! Then to have a final pick up at the hospital that would reap the benefit .... scam scam scam. Voted NO and will continue to vote NO!

I am voting no on priciple wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:04 PM:This just isn't the way a democracy is supposed to be run thus I am voting NO!!!

Oceansider wrote on Aug 26, 2008 12:14 PM:As were the last two, this one was a no=brainer (with the emphasis on the word NO).

Simply put, this bond measure will produce shell buildings, unfinished structures to be finished at a later time. Well, when exactly is the "later time"? And where will THAT money come from? Oh, I guess it'll be ANOTHER bond measure, and the campaign slogan will be something like "Help us finish what we started (cause if you don't, the hospital will close).

... I voted NO, and proudly encouraged everyone I know to do the same. And most everyone DID!

Clara wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:31 PM:VOTE NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! & NO!

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Aug 26, 2008 1:40 PM:To: "Oceansider;" For shame. You have completely distorted and misrepresented what the "bond measure will produce..." For shame. You know good and well that far more will be built than those "unfinished structures." The list of what will be built and retrofitted is very long and you know it. No matter. Your measly little vote counts for naught since your side will lose anyway! Ha ha ha ha. And a few more ha ha ha's for good measure!

Take heed vote NO wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:47 PM:Citizens: Proposition A is nothing more than bureaucrats and politicians once again trying to pick your pockets through scare tactics! VOTE NO!

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Aug 26, 2008 2:51 PM:Those who urge a NO vote are poor losers. And....they represent competing hospitals is why they are so nasty about Measure A. If it fails, they profit. Simple as that folks.

Mia sounds off again wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:06 PM:For you ignorant voters that voted no I hope when you need an ER or one of your family members does you make it to PPHS or Scripps, or maybe since you know so much you can save yourself. Also TCMC employees were not collecting the ballots, before you blog idiotic comments you should research the facts. YES ON A.

Oceansider wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:34 PM:The bond measure WILL produce half-completed buildings, or shells. This information is derived from the proponent's own mailings. So, the question which I asked remains unanswered: when will the "shells" be completed, and where will the money come from? Not ONE proponent has been able to answer that question. Any takers?

And by the way, I don't work for "competing hospitals." I'm just a taxpayer who desires a little accountability for my money.

Simply Amazing wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:42 PM:Not one single word of truth from any of the No Vote crowd. Do you people even have a clue? Its a District Hospital......That alone makes it a legitimate place to put a drop off box for ballots. Its truly sad to see how many ignorant and selfish people are posting here. You really need to look past today and see what this community needs in the coming 5 years. I truly hope none of you ever need emergency services or any other modern health care and cant get it. If Sharps and Scripps are so great why were they featured and the news in the last few weeks and fined for multiple violations including patients deaths?

Oceanside Chris wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:47 PM:To "Mia sounds off again"

I have used the hospital for five operations in the last three years. Great care; but I'm concerned with the $$$. A plan has to be realistic. As a "blog idiotic", I did research the facts; and it smells funky because of the drop off place. It should be a voter-neutral place. This is a scam. Make it a nice day.

Mia again wrote on Aug 26, 2008 3:59 PM:So Chris were TCMC employees collecting the ballots? If so, did you have to open your ballot? Let me answer these questions for you because it is obvious you did NOT do your research. NO TCMC employees were collecting ballots. This could smell funky but the facts are the facts. Like I said before YES ON A!

Oceansider wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:26 PM:It is SIMPLY FALSE that, without the passage of this bond measure, that the hospital will close. As patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel, so is this specious fear tactic the last refuge of the Measure A proponent. This bond measure by its very nature creates the need for a second -- and probably larger -- bond measure to pay for what is left unfinished by this one. Don't be scared into believing that TCMC will close if this isn't passed.

Youve got to be kidding me wrote on Aug 26, 2008 4:34 PM:The hospital will not close people. Get a grip. What it comes down to is that the hospital can get this flat tire repaired another way. They don't have to make the homeowner's buy them a new car! Yes, the hospital will be there, be it TCMC, Sharp, Scripps or Kaiser.... but it can be done another way. It won't close down, be boarded up and covered in cobwebs the day after the bond fails. Chill out, get a grip and vote no. Make the hospital do it the right way. FOR the people.

To Oceansider wrote on Aug 26, 2008 5:35 PM:you have to know the answer to your question is..ANOTHER bond! Feel a strange hand in your pocket? That'll be Tri-City, feeling around for $ for Prop A's brother. Only by then, they'll surely tell us it'll cost us over a billion dollars to finish up.

BIG QUESTION wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:01 PM:I voted "Yes", but why has the ER been over-crowded since 1980?

appendicitis wrote on Aug 26, 2008 6:24 PM:thankyou tch for saving my life

Susan wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:19 PM:I voted NO and so did most of my friends-we all feel it's unfair for property owners to foot this bill. This 40yr burden will also affect our children and grandchildren, should they be so lucky to own a home. I can pretty much guarantee the "estimated" cost is going to be higher if it passes. Estimates are just that! It has nothing to do with the care anyone's received-you should EXPECT great care at any hospital. Making a select group pay for this for the next 40yrs won't improve on care or ER wait time.

Zephon wrote on Aug 26, 2008 7:31 PM:Hope it passes. We need good hospitals.

don in oceanside wrote on Aug 26, 2008 8:35 PM:I voted NO on my ballot, and if there is a good political election lawyer out ther, a suit should be brought against tri city AND the registrar of voters, as it is ILLEGAL TO SIGN UP FOR VOTORS NEAR A POLLING STATION< by accepting balots at their doors, they are in fact a polling station ?????

City Fella wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:22 PM:Hey hillbillies.
The ballots were all mailed out to registered voters of the tri-cities area.
Your complaints shouldn't be with the hospital or the San Diego County registrar of voters.
It should be with your elected representatives that opted to have a special election and not handle it on their own.

Call me an old fuddy-duddy but it used to be a good thing to have a good hospital to go to.
I don't really care of the out-come and find it incredibly humorous to hear you red-necks in the north county prattle on about this non-subject.

Vanilla Coke wrote on Aug 26, 2008 9:46 PM:Hey "Don in Oceanside" nobody was signing up "votors"; it was a DROP OFF POINT, not a polling station where you could fill out a ballot, not a place to sign up for anything, you dropped off your signed, sealed, ballot from your car. And btw, these voters had a MONTH to mail in their ballots. Jeez what a bunch of whiners.

Oside Resident wrote on Aug 26, 2008 10:53 PM:Do any of you "no" voters see what happens in an overcrowded bloated waiting time in an ER where there should be nearby clinic for just urgent care that can help alleviate the child that goes in to TCMC for a sinus infection vs a person having blunt trama that needs immediate help? This will help draw the non-injury to a more treatable location and the more serious and triage patients having access to a ER for immediate surgical or other care. Scripps, PPHS and Sharp are not looking to treat patients with medi-cal nor medicaid patients that can't support the center. If you look beyond where this is driven from, and put aside all the rantings about money, take a look at the salaries there, the contracted Doctors who help spend time to team up with other Doctors for less money and more time to help. This hospital has been around long enough with a partial face lift in one department or just spiffing up another to be able to look decent enough, but in order to upgrade and outsource patience wait time and type of treatment, they need more buildings to complete a better workflow and less stress on the staff and patient care as well. I voted A

To Always no wrote on Aug 27, 2008 12:00 AM:Ha- loved it. My property taxes are sky high, I'm upside down on the value of my home, the price of everything is going up. Probably not the best time to ask tax payers for more money.

joe b wrote on Aug 27, 2008 5:53 AM:Tri City has no one to blame but themselves. They could have passed all of these, but that refuse to do simple things. No on Tri-City, again being outspent, and won. Poor Art, he feels so smart, and he gets whipped everytime by a dumb people.

Believe the truth wrote on Aug 27, 2008 8:23 AM:Joe, You're right. Tri-City could have bought you off like you asked, and all the lies would have gone away. The new hospital would have been built, and our community would be better off. But, Tri-City's integrity would not alow them to stoop to your level. When do you think all the no voters are going to realize that you are laughing at them for blindly following the Pied Piper? That they were mere ponds in your game of revenge?
I feel sorry for you. You must be a very sad and miserable person. But even more, I feel sorry for all the good citizens of this community that are going to lose so much because of this.

Wow wrote on Aug 27, 2008 8:52 AM:I cant stop laughing; Joe B just admitted his followers were dumb people. Lemmings to the sea......
Minority Rules! once again. I sincerely hope you continue to run for some type of office Joe you will do special interest proud!

Citizen wrote on Aug 27, 2008 9:09 AM:A bond is a tax. The cost of a bond is roughly doubled over the life of the bond when interest is added on. A $600,000,000 bond would cost about $1,200,000,000. Bonds can be reissued without a vote thus further increasing the cost to the taxpayer. Bonds put the citizen tax payers and their children deeper in debt as governments promote bonds rather than "pay as you go".
The Citizens are fighting back and won this one.

Write a CHECK wrote on Aug 27, 2008 11:19 AM:There is no statute forbidding all of those who support the bond issue from writing a check directly to the hospital district!

Write a check! Today! If 60% of the people actually do support the hospital plans, tens of thousands of checks for, say $100 or $200 each, will get things started quite nicely.

Put your money where your mouth is! Step right up.

WRITE A CHECK wrote on Aug 27, 2008 12:39 PM:No wonder the bond didnt pass with people like yourself who cant even do simple math. 32,134 Yes votes x $200 = a little less than 6.5 million dollars which is a a long way from a 650 million dollar bond......................

The community has spoken and now deserves whatever healthcare they dont get! With everyone talking about TCMC getting bought by someone; think about this....

Any puchase still has to be approved by the voters...we see how well that turns out....

If it did pass and it Became a "for-profit" hospital you can kiss any of the commmunity outreach program subsidies goodbye...cya vista community clinic.....and a private facility does not have to accept medi-cal or medi-care so low wage earning people who depend on that can find somewhere else to go.......and the a private hospital can raise fees as they see fit to cover their costs......

Wow the No Voters really thought it through........good job!

Write a Check wrote on Aug 27, 2008 2:26 PM:The Blogger who replied to my post needs a course in reading comprehension! me quote my initial post once more: "will get things started quite nicely."

It is a START -- which is more than you have now with the third bond issue failing!

DUH!

I am not concerned at all about the "community outreach." This I absolutely know: Poverty is caused by lack of education, and the K-12 is absolutely free, the 13-14 is dirt cheap, and the 15-16 can get student loans.

Those without an education CHOSE to end their education. That choice equated to poverty and to my paying for their medical care.

I think not.

BECAUSE I have an advanced degree, I had the opportunity for great insurance, and that great insurance took me through full kidney failure, a heart attack and pneumonia with a ZERO bill.

I am sorry others chose a different path, but their lack of planning is not my responsibility. I paid my price.

To Write a Check wrote on Aug 27, 2008 4:15 PM:I comprehend just fine but in your words "it will start things quite nicely" is a crock and you know it.Just under 6.5 million dollars to start for a 650 million dollar project is a joke. So by your logic since my neighbor is a doctor if I have a heart attack and he comes over and saves my life thats a great thing; but its to bad you die becuase of your poor lack of planning buy not living next to a doctor or hospital. What is you advanced degree in? Stupidity?

To OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Aug 27, 2008 7:24 PM:are you still ha ha ha ha-ing today? Lol!

to To Write a Check wrote on Aug 27, 2008 7:48 PM:Give it up... You got worked!