rez wrote on Aug 29, 2008 1:28 PM:that sucks

No good wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:06 PM:This is why I quick going to Pala Casino, or anywhere near the reservations. Too much violence near or on the reservations.

be real wrote on Aug 29, 2008 2:25 PM:violence is everywere, not just the rez!!!!

to Pala wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:11 PM:YES

earl wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:27 PM:I'm a little more worried about thefemale victim, then I am about any of the crap at the casinos. Can anyone verify that I did not and have not lost a very dear and loving friend.... Liz where are you? please call your GATO..........
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caring wrote on Aug 29, 2008 4:34 PM:Where is the compassion here? Someone lost their life today and nobody seems to care. All you can do is bicker amongst each other over old news!

Judgement wrote on Aug 29, 2008 5:21 PM:Isn't it a bit early to judge? What happened and why? ... Wait for the facts to come out folks.

lajolla wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:08 PM:to no good--- what do you think reservations are ...

Sad wrote on Aug 29, 2008 6:26 PM:A person lost her life over a senseless act of violence ... My prayers are to the family that lost a loved one, Very sad.

Friends wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:10 PM:I also have many dear friends in and around that area. I was reading the comments hoping to find out anything
more about who it might be or at least who it isn't. When all you are told was "The woman, who appeared to be in her late 30s. died around noon." Leaves me running all the possibilities of my many friends it could be. Only to read a bunch of bitter
cold hearted jealous comments makes the time even harder to bare. YEAH! "Your Bad" Thanks for all your compassion.

RareHuman wrote on Aug 29, 2008 7:58 PM:Ohhh this is so sad. I am so sorry for the loss to mankind for this senseless act of violence! What a tragedy. I dare any of us to act like this if The Almighty were standing by your side. This one individual has lost her life and it is such a loss to us all, those of us that get it, and those of us that don't get it.. Get it? We the people would be better as a group if we would just make a few changes in our lives. To be more Christ like is one thing that could work out as well as just taking a moment to think about our words before spoken and our actions before acted on, think about whether you would do this if God were stand right next to you? Because in the end that is what is important. What have you done with the gift of today God has graciously given us? That is what we will be held responsible for, simply our actions. So think about them before you speak or behave in any manner. Forgive! Peace, Love, and Respect.

NORA B NATIONAL CITY wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:04 AM:LIZ, I LOVE YOU DEARLY...IM GONNA MISS YOU SOOOOOO VERY MUCH....UNTIL THE DAY WERE TOGETHER AGAIN.BE BY MY SIDE PRIMA....I LOVE YOU,DANNY JR, VICTORIA AND SECRET LOVES YOU FOR FOREVER...

No good wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:36 AM:Please let me make myself clear. I am not prejudice against native americans or any race. I support indian gaming and happy for their sucess with the casino's. I'm just basing my opinion on what I have read in the news paper. I won't go near the reservations like I won't go to east L.A. at night, or Magic Mountain amusement park because of gang problems, or Imperial Ave off the 805 in San Diego because of high crime rate. There are so many good people that live on the reservation, but I just noticed that crime rate in the area has gone up since the casinos opened.

fiavaim wrote on Aug 30, 2008 2:55 AM:damn, that sucks, happened right down the road from my house. makes me wonder what they were doing there that made that guy open fire on them. were they trespassing? a drug deal gone wrong? or was the suspect just wigged out of his mind? but you know, you guys say too much violence on the indian reservations, but you gotta think... its these casinos that bring out these weirdos to our rez's. i can't complain though.

Hmmm wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:26 AM:Is this the same Fred Bostick that I knew 20 years ago as a Marine aboard Camp Pendleton??? Same name and age.

osideindian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:03 AM:people who criticize Indian reservations should b ashamed of themselves.. I laugh when people talk so bad about a reservation. Reservations are not ad places. I am from pechanga band but raised in Oceanside. First off, I hate how non tribal or any non natives want andkive on reservations. We don't let anyone.these are people who are not native, they are outsiders. Its just so funny how the white man put us in the mountains to get away from civilization and now that we thrive we just get put right back down. Oceanside is th place where people should say there is a problem. Don't let people who are not native Americans change ur mind about going to our casinos or hicking or anything like that. To b honest, having at one time to live in a ugly beat down house in the dirt so far from everything, with no water, heat or anything like that, reservations still didn't show violence like the surounding cities.. LIKE OCEANSIDE!!!!

osideindian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 7:09 AM:to no good,
u make me laugh.. Im sorry that u are angry that u are not indian. I know for a fact your words are hiding behind a coward that would never say that to a indian like myself or make a comment to any race to them.. I am sorry you probably lost some money at one of the casinos, maaybe mine and are angry that u just couldnt control urself. So i do apoligize for ur hatred.. And the goverment needs us, where else would yhe states like california get the money to feed welfare and people who sneak in from other countries and other things.. Would u.. No!!!

vc wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:58 AM:Sad that someone can die like this and people start bad mouthing indians and casinos. Doesn't sound like it has anything to do with Pala. Scary that it happened just down the road from me and no-one knows why it happened. We enjoy Pala Casino, they have great food and entertainment. The Pala people are earning an income from the casino and it's providing jobs.

NORA B wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:58 AM:THE WOMEN WHO GOT SHOT WAS MY COUSIN,I CANT EVEN DESCRIBE THE EMOTIONS AND THE FEELINGS OUR FAMILY IS GOING THROUGH...DOES ANYONE OUT THEIR THINK OF WHAT LIZ,MOTHER AND DAUGHTER ARE GONNNA HAVE TO FACE,AND DEAL WITH...IVE LOST MY CLOSE AND DEAREST LIZ,I FEEL SOOO NUMB...MAYBE ILL WAKE UP AND THIS WILL ALL BE A BAD DREAM.BUT THAT ISNT GONNA HAPPEN,TO THOSE THAT NEW HER,SHE WAS A GOOD HEARTED PERSON WHO WAS REALLY STILL YOUNG AT HEART....I LOVE YOU LIZARD,IM GONNA KNOW YOUR IN A BETTER PLACE,BUT IM JUST LOST IN MY THOUGHTS ASKING GOD,WHY?YOUR JUST TOO YOUNG,WHY NOW....I DONT THINK BLAMING CASINOS OR INDIANS IS GONNA HELP...SOO LETS NOT DO THAT,WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IS BEING STRONG AND MAKING IT HAPPEN TO SEE THAT JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED ,A PERSON WHO HAS TO DEAL WITH TRYING TO SETTLE ANY SITUATION WITH A GUN,WHAT A LOSER....GOODBYE,LIZ...AKA...LIZARD....GONE FOR NOW,BUT NOT FOREVER......

quick to blame wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:31 AM:It appears a drug deal gone bad, or somebody owned money and didn't pay up, if I was to guess. Why these people chose a Indian Res I assume is because its remote, hidden out of the way, this way they wouldn't be seen killing another human being.

But, to blame the Indians is ridiculous! They take care of their own, and from what I've read they've only had 'one' other murder...can we say that for a non indian community?
My advise is stay off their land!

vc wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:49 AM:Nora B-My heart goes out to you and your family

osideindian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 10:36 AM:to no good,
u really need to make up ur mind. I responded to ur comment that reservations should b taken away from us.. U really need to slap urself for that.. There is no crime on reservations. The crimes u hear about are from people who should not b there at all!!!!! And then i read another message and u say nice things about indians.. U make no sense.. Do u relize that this women had no afiliation with the tribe I am sorry that happen but she and whoever should not have been there.. At all.. And to say take away the land that was given to us cause our land was already taken.. Again.. California would b hurting without us.. I love what we have become.. Casinos have not brought more danger. If anything they have brought peace that we never have to get mad cause we have no water.. Don't be stupid and say goverment should take away land and send us far away.. Cause haha in reality..hahaha we will prevail again..... And again and again.... Native pride.. American pride.... And to nora b.. Sorry for ur loss.. Rip

osideindian wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:09 AM:to no good,
u really need to make up ur mind. I responded to ur comment that reservations should b taken away from us.. U really need to slap urself for that.. There is no crime on reservations. The crimes u hear about are from people who should not b there at all!!!!! And then i read another message and u say nice things about indians.. U make no sense.. Do u relize that this women had no afiliation with the tribe I am sorry that happen but she and whoever should not have been there.. At all.. And to say take away the land that was given to us cause our land was already taken.. Again.. California would b hurting without us.. I love what we have become.. Casinos have not brought more danger. If anything they have brought peace that we never have to get mad cause we have no water.. Don't be stupid and say goverment should take away land and send us far away.. Cause haha in reality..hahaha we will prevail again..... And again and again.... Native pride.. American pride.... And to nora b.. Sorry for ur loss.. Rip

Geez wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:12 AM:Cmon people, focus on the tragedy. This has absolutely nothing to do with the Native Americans nor casinos. Quit trying to stir the pot - there are familes grieving right now.

to geez wrote on Aug 30, 2008 12:02 PM:To Geez,

I have to TOTALLY agree with your comments.. It always amazes me how some people can use this blog to voice their hatred and smear another race or culture. UNBELIEVEABLE! To all those who wrote about the indian reservation and what should be done with them, YOU ARE AN EMBARASSMENT TO THE HUMAN RACE, no matter what your race or gender..
FOCUS PEOPLE!! No wonder this world has issues.

speechless wrote on Aug 30, 2008 4:52 PM:to "OSIDEINDIAN"!!!-
this woman should not have been there?!
are u aware that there are many people on the rez who arent PART OF THE TRIBE!!
People visit friends and casinos daily and the natives are going to have to accpet it. Regardless of her race or where she was on or off the rez, domestic violence and murder will happen.
my thoughts and prayers are with the family.
you will be missed liz

z.Pierce wrote on Aug 30, 2008 5:13 PM:Liz I miss you so much! I didn't know how much I would miss you until the news of your passing hit me. I only have good memories of you supressing the sorrow that fills my thoughts and emotions. I can see your smiling face and hear you telling all your jokes and laughing. I will miss you, but never forget you or all the wonderful times we had together.

Forever Cousins, Tu Prima Zaneta

bernie wrote on Aug 30, 2008 8:28 PM:R.I.P my friend . You will always hold a place in my heart.Your spirit will live through all you touched in this life time. may God be with your familey during this time of need. your beautiful face will be dearly missed.

anonymous wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:32 PM:i know the full story.. my sister has connections.. its really stupid and sad :( r.i.p

anonymous wrote on Aug 30, 2008 9:34 PM:oh and btw.. you guys it wasnt gang violence.. or one person didnt pay the other for drugs.. you guys have wierd accusations

Sam wrote on Aug 30, 2008 11:49 PM:To:no good show some respect someone past away...may the lady rest in peace

to anonymous wrote on Aug 31, 2008 4:25 AM:if you knw the whole story have you told the cops for your sister so she can rest in peace? its the rite thing to do.

WhtOnRez wrote on Aug 31, 2008 4:32 AM:I will miss you Liz, your laugh and your smile. So many will. More than you know. You were such a sweet soul and I feel very blessed to have known you. I thank God for your friendship and the time you were here . I know God must have more for you to do elsewhere, thats why he sent his angels for you. I am sad, but it brings me peace to know you are with your dad, your best friend from Rincon, and with God. Rest in Peace My Friend.

This is so Sad wrote on Aug 31, 2008 6:20 PM:My Condolences to all of Liz's family & friends. We know how you feel because Devin was my nephew and to this day the still have not arrested his murders. He lived on the Rez in Pala and his death had nothing to do with the casino. It sickens me how heartless people can be when something tragic like this happens and people right away say it must have been because of the casino's. What sickens me even more it how cold blooded the person's at the NC Times can be to even post the idiotic comments that these heartless people have to say. You don't even consider what this family and our family has to go through. For the person that claims to know the truth, I hope you please do the right thing and contact the detectives, so this family can have some kind of understanding and closure, because until justice is served we will never have it. My nephew was a sweet beautiful young man with his whole life taken because of a heartless act and I'm sure Liz did not deserve this either. I hope the people that have made their negative comments never have to go through this or the heartless person at the NC Times that only picks and chooses what they post with out regard to the families lose. RIP Liz.

NORA B wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:22 PM:IM STILL IN SHOCK,TODAY IS SUNDAY AUGUST 31 2008.I FEEL LIKE IM WALKING IN A TUNNEL,IVE LOST MY COUSIN......LIZARD,IM MISSING YOU ,IWISH YOU WERE HERE...WHAT ABOUT WHEN OUR FAMILY GETS TOGETHER,WHOS GONNA BE WITH ME,UP TO OUR LIL ACTS WE DO...LIKE OUR DISAPPEARING ACTS...IM HERE WITH YOUR DAUGHTER,ITS NEVER,NEVER,NEVER GONNA BE THE SAME WITHOUT YOU HERE,THATS TRULEY HOW I FEEL,IF I COULD GO BACK AND PUT LIFE BACK INTO YOU,I WOULD....THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON,BUT I CANT UNDERSTAND WHY?THIS HAD TO HAPPEN.TO THOSE WHO TOOK THE TIME TO COMMENT ON MY COUSIN,I THANK YOU...TO ,THIS IS SO BAD..THANK YOU ALSO .LIKE I SAID BEFORE,FOR MY SWEET LIZARD,GONE FOR NOW BUT NOT FOREVER....I LOVE YOU LIZ CULBERTSON....

sierra and danny wrote on Aug 31, 2008 8:44 PM:danny:liz i love u and i will never forget u.ill miss wreasling with u and swiming with u u kick my ass a couple of times lol i love u liz u wil be missed and speedy and buddy will miss u too love u cuz.

sierra:mom i will miss u so much and i will never forget u. i wish this never happened and i will miss ur laugh,smile,jokes,and every thing about u...i'm going to miss u i still need u buddy(dodo) misses u too i never wanted any of my family to go that way,i always thought u would live forever,i think that i will use ur ideas for my quince i wish u could be there i hope u REST IN PEACE I WILL ALWAYS LOVE U FOREVER MY MOMMY LIZ....LOVE YOURE DAUGHTER SIERRA..<3

unanonoms wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:02 AM:The person who shot Liz and the other dude, it was an accident beleave it or not...He is realy sorry for what he has done,, but that will not bring Liz back,so now he will be doing the punishment for his wrongdoing..so give him a Break

Brenda wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:51 AM:Even if it was "an accident", he was still trying to shoot someone. We lost someone very dear to us because of "an accident".

esteban wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:37 PM:Osideindian, ooooooo...you sound scary. I'll tell you to your face what I think of you.

NORA B wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:00 PM:FOR MY COUSIN LIZ CULBERTSON:"TO BE ABSENT FROM THE BODY IS TO BE PRESENT WITH THE LORD ,TO THOSE WHO LOVE AND KNOW HIM." FROM EARTH TO HEAVEN..... "EVEN WHEN I WALK THROUGH THE VALLEY OF DEATH,I WILL NOT BE AFRAID,FOR YOU ARE CLOSE BESIDE ME.YOUR ROD AND YOUR STAFF PROTECT AND COMFORT ME. PSALM 23:4

Matt wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:06 PM:So sorry for you.

brianna wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:34 PM:liz i know we havent been talking but i still love u and i will miss u tolove brianna♥
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Still here wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 AM:My heart goes out to the family...I know how this feels first hand. The reservation is usually a calm and peaceful place. Wrong place wrong time-this sits in my heart everyday. My son was a great person-never in trouble and not a trouble maker. I don't get to see my son grow old and have kids because of heartless people. Liz's family don't get to see her anymore because of an "accident" it is very tragic and we should be trying to solve cases instead of fighting.
RIP Liz

SPR wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:59 AM:RIP=LIZ. gona mis u

NORA B wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:02 PM:GOD SAW YOU GETTING TIRED,AND A CURE WAS NOT TO BE,SO HE PUT HIS ARMS AROUND YOU,AND WHISPERED"COME TO ME".WITH TEARFUL EYES OUR FAMILY HAS ,GOD DECIDED TO TAKE YOU,ON THAT DREDFUL DAY.ALTHOUGH WE COULD NOT BEAR TO LOSE YOU,WE COULD NOT ASK YOU TO STAY.A GOLDEN HEART STOPPED BEATING,HANDS LAID TO REST,GOD BROKE OUR HEARTS TO PROVE TO US,THAT HE ONLY TAKES THE BEST........I'LL MISS YOU LIZARD...I LOVE YOU.....I KNOW YOUR WITH US........

PALAindian wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:23 AM:i'm from pala. i knew liz for a short time. i used to run into her from time to time and we would talk. she always brought me luck. she was a real person, always friendly. she was so cool, 80's metalhead, with a smile and laugh that made gray skies blue. i remember her telling me she had a daughter and i wanna tell her daughter that she is with the creator, our grandfather. stay strong. she will always live on in our hearts. i'll never forget you liz. keep on rockin!......... jj

christina wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:27 PM:LIZ.........

SHE WAS SUCH A GOOD PERSON,FUNNY,CARING AND LOVING.WHEN I WAS YOUNGER SHE USE TO STAY AT MY HOUSE.I WILL MISS HER SO MUCH.IT SUCKS THATS THINGS HAD TO HAPPEN THIS WAY.I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.MY HEART GOES OUT TO HER FAMILY.I WOULD LIKE TO PAY MY RESPECTS TO HER FAMILY.SOMEONE PLEASE POST UP SOME FUNERAL INFO.REST N PEACE..MUCH LOVE, CHRISTINA

bernie wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:43 AM:services are on friday the 13th at 3:00 at the church at the base of thr hill be for you go up to valley center commming from escondido on the left hand side.

NORA B wrote on Sep 4, 2008 6:37 PM:I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO THANK EVERYONE THAT NEW MY COUSIN LIZ,WHO TOOK THE TIME TO SAY A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT HER..WE KNOW THIS HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CASINOS OR INDIANS ON THE REZ...IF ANYTHING MY COUSIN LIZ HAD ALOT OF LOVE FOR CASINOS AND THE PEOPLE ON THE REZ...FOR HER IT WAS HER OTHER FAMILY,HOW I KNOW THIS ,LIZARD TOLD ME ALOT OF THINGS...WE WERE CLOSE.....ONCE AGAIN "THANK YOU"

The REZ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:55 AM:The Rez is to blame for this. They have their sovereignty and wont allow more intervention from outside law enforcement.If we have U.S. citizens enjoying the casinos and businesses on the reservation, then the tribes should fall completely under federal laws! They create their own problems this way. That's why I stay away from the casinos. I don't wanna be around at the next shoot out.

junebug wrote on Sep 5, 2008 1:42 PM:If these res. had a real police force im sure the crime rate would reduce. Look what happened at Soboba,, HELLO AND WAKE UP TRIBAL COUNCIL MEMBERS!!!!!

christina wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:31 AM:still trying to find of more info about saying goodbye to a spcial person that will be missed dearly...please if anyone knows where the funeral will be at and when..thanks

bernie wrote on Sep 10, 2008 12:22 AM:the service is this sat 13th in esco at 300 at the churvh at the base of the hill befor you go up to vally center

To The Rez JuneBug wrote on Sep 10, 2008 8:57 AM:You don't know what the hell you are talking about. The incident at Soboba, was a shoot out with the real police. If the police were there to stop what happened to Liz and Devin I doubt anyone from Pala would have stood in the way of the police coming in and stopping it. You people make no sense whatsoever. You talk out of your rear ends and think because you read these articles in the paper that you know what you are talking about. You haven't lived on the Rez to know what really happens, so why don't you keep you idiotic opinions to yourself. RIP Liz from this is so sad.

christina wrote on Sep 10, 2008 3:34 PM:BERNIE...

IS IT THE CHURCH ON THE RIGHT BEFORE YOU GO UP THE VALLEY CENTER GRADE OR LAKE WOLFORD??I BEEN CHECKING THE PAPERS AND HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING..THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP

christina wrote on Sep 11, 2008 2:32 AM:yes...

Mike wrote on Nov 24, 2008 3:09 PM:Pala lost a good Tribal Law Enforcement Chief that wanted to make changes, but you did not let him. GOOD LUCK!