Um Tina wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:08 AM:Henry Cejudo is the exception, not the rule.....

That is all. illegal is still illegal. We are a country of laws. Deal with it.

Eyes only wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:09 AM:Well, Jon Bell, if you or I, in our youth, made propaganda tapes for the enemy in time of war, we wouldn't get a security clearance either.
But then, a president can give a security clearance to anybody he wants, especially himself. So you needn't worry in either example.

It never gets old wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:23 AM:I still have to laugh when people such as Gary Lawson tell us how old they are, and that people of their age lose their mental abilities, but still consider themselves lucid enough to tell the rest of us what to think.

Alf wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:31 AM:The letter from Steve D'Alo is misguided at best.
A yes vote on Prop. 8 is a vote to regress back to UNequal protection under the law.
Steve D'Alo was exceedingly acurate when he said "As of late 2007, domestic partnerships already provide PRETTY MUCH all the rights a married couple have." (Emphasis mine.)
Would or should anyone be satisfied with "PRETTY MUCH" equal protection under the law?
Would or should anyone be satisfied with "PRETTY MUCH", but NOT all their civil rights?
Would or should anyone be satisfied with "PRETTY MUCH", but NOT all their right to be free of warrantless searches?
Would or should anyone be satisfied with "PRETTY MUCH", but NOT all their right to vote?
Would or should anyone be satisfied with "PRETTY MUCH", but NOT all their right to .......?
I can go on, but you catch my drift.
Equality is NOT a "PRETTY MUCH" thing, it must, by its very definition, be all-inclusive or it IS NOT EQUALITY AT ALL.
Regards, Alf.

Little Miss Sunshine wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:31 AM:Alaska Gov Sarah Palin is an "expert" on ENERGY?
Being in the pocket of Big Oil profiteers, always kowtowing to their singular solution of "more drilling," is not the definition of "expertise."
She knows NOTHING about the real issues of energy, other than how to sit in the deep, deep pockets of the oil behemoths that do the dirty work of her socialist Republican state and its state-owned commercial profiteering in conjunction with those who pull her strings.
If she wants to start getting an energy on education, while learning what the Vice Presidency does (other than shooting people in the face - for that she's "ready on day one"), she needs to sit down with T. Boone Pickens from the right, and Al Gore on the left, and learn about real long-range strategies for weaning ourselves off our addiction to oil with RENEWABLE ALTERNATIVE ENERGY.

She Said wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:44 AM:Mr. Steve D'Alo certainly wasted his time and probably a postage stamp writing that letter. His points are a lot of bunk and have been discussed time and time again. He's just another one of those proponents who doesn't have a real argument and tries to be cute or clever with the polygamy, incest, animals, etc. pertaining to marriage. I'm glad the letter wasn't too long though so it could be read quickly.

Age is but a number wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:56 AM:Although you might not agree with his ideology, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia is 72 years old (the same as McCain), and is arguably the sharpest knife in the drawer, any drawer. Justice Kennedy, also 72, is the swing vote who makes all the critical decisions. As it happens, my mom is also 72, and bops around like the Energizer Bunny.
Oh, I know we'll hear that McCain is showing his age. Just Google "Obama gaffes" to see how nimble the mind of a 46 year old is after a long day on the campaign trail.

to Gary Larson wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:25 AM:I agree with you. John McCain, interviewed on 60 Minutes, said that he was a war criminal for dropping those bombs on villages and the children that lived there. John McCain also, once, got to witness close up, the effects of the bombs he was heroically dropping on those villages. The bombs on his carrier accidentally went off, a terribly accident that killed many of his shipmates. He saw the impact of napalm on human bodies. He admitted that he was shocked and horrified seeing this. It might have given him pause. But, like the men tried at Nurenberg, following orders was the only important thing, so he climbed back into that cockpit and dropped more napalm on those children in those villages. That's your war hero. And don't forget, the Vietnam war was another war for which lies were used to sell to the American people. John McCain was one of the loudest cheerleaders for the Iraq invasion. Get the picture?

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:26 AM:Now I know Hussein is a moron. He says that he believes that Palin will follow McCain's agenda. Gee, Mr Moron, would you have picked Biden if he said he didnt give a crap what your policies are???

Unstable wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:31 AM:Steve D'Alo's letter is incredibly dishonest. With all that's wrong with our country today, the public isn't worried about what gay marriage might lead to. Besides, the Supreme Court's decision explicitly ruled out the possibilities he mentioned. He darkly warns "With same-sex marriages comes many complexities that the general public are not made aware of, such as the legal complexities of other groups." Yeah, the public is not aware of them because they don't exist. Prop 8 is in big trouble if this is the best argument they can make. The public needs stability restored, but Prop 8 has nothing to do with it. As for his claim that "gays and lesbians will not lose on anything", they will lose equality in the legal and social recognition of their committed relationships.

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:33 AM:>>>The accomplishments of this young man prove that immigrants do contribute to the betterment of our country>> The young man is a legal American. The arguement is that illegals get pop and drop citizenship or sneak across the border with no intent to assimilate into American culture. They only want to assimilate into our welfare system, and they pay good money to lawyers to know exactly where to go for the free dinner bell, and where the best slip and fall opportunuties are. And some murdering drug dealers eveb cross out border for a quick hit or a sale, and when they get a load of buckshot in the butt, the border patrol agents go to prison for 11 years, because Bush is a Mexican at heart

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:36 AM:>>>Gov Palin visited Alaskan troops in Kuwait>>>
And Hussein lifted the middle finger to the troops in Germany, all because he wasn't allowed to bring the throngs of adoring media and their cameras with them for a photo-op.

Pluto wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:44 AM:The North County Times should not have placed such a misleading and inflammatory title on Alexandra Cloney's letter. People can write whatever provocative nonsense they want, but the NCTimes shouldn't dignify the worst of it in the title.

And another thing, how dare these so-called "values" people talk about the sanctity of life after enabling the kidnapping, torture and murder of Bush & Co for these past seven years? They love to talk about protecting the unborn, but they don't give a damn about the already born, and they don't object when their own government violates domestic law, treaties, and real moral values. They have no shame. They should crawl in a hole with Bush, who can't even show his face at his own party's convention.

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:44 AM:The adoring throngs are disappointed that the annointed one didnt enter NewOrleans on the symbol of his party (a jackass) and wave his staff at Gustav. I guess FEMA will have to deal with it now

to Jon Bell wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:48 AM:How it works is very simple - you are wrong about Barack Obama. You've been listening to too much hate radio.

Answer for Jon Bell wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:49 AM:Your letter asked how Obama will get security clearance when he has been a druggie in his younger days. Answer: exactly the same way William J Clinton and George W Bush got theirs. LOL

Question for Ms Heldring wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:52 AM:Nice to see you defending poor, picked on Halliburton. So let me ask your opinion about something. We've had 5 or 6 years of war in Iraq with an enormous, record-setting amount of the implementation of that war being "privatized", using companies like Halliburton and Blackwater. What's your opinion of the work they've done? Do you see any signs or evidence of corruption, mismanagement, or theft? Would you say the work these picked-on companies has done has been worth the taxpayer money Bush has thrown at them? Just curious.

To John Bell wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:24 AM:Seems John Bell is wearing a tinfoil hat when writing his letter. Are you trying to call Obama a terrorist? You're claiming Obama condoned a bombing of the Pentagon when he was only eight years old? Amazing. Actually, when asked Obama has called the acts you are referring to as "despicable."

And yes, Obama has openly admitted he experimented with drugs in his youth. So did presidents Clinton, Bush, and McCain's running mate Sarah Palin.

Alf wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 AM:The supposition in the letter by Alexandra Cloney is that "late-term abortions" are solely the preference of the woman, that there is not a very real and valid medical reason for many, if not all "late-term abortions".
It would be very interesting to find out precisely what the reasons were on these "late-term abortions".
My guess is that most are because some test showed an extreme abnormality or severe deformity not able to be seen or tested for earlier in the pregnancy.
My wife, a pediatrician, is far more qualified than I to enumerate all the possible scenarios, not the least of which is the fetus completely missing part of the brain. Since brain waves do not occur until well after the end of the first trimester, ANY abortion for such a condition or any other condition known to cause short, if any, lifespan would be a "late-term abortion".
Heroic measures in such cases are nothing more than efforts in futility that break the hearts and banks of mothers, fathers and insurance companies.
I suggest that people like Alexandra Cloney "judge not, lest ye be judged" or someone else might be the one to "cast the first stone" on her/them.
This subject is not, nor can it be or have a "one size fits all" solution.
That's why there must ALWAYS be the RIGHT to the freedom to choose.
Regards, Alf.

Three D wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:41 AM:A person blogging as self-described "Pathetic" wrote yesterday at 1:25 and 5:18 p.m. to criticize Obama Mama's comments in which she had noted reports that the timing of Gov. Palin's marriage and birth of her first child suggested probable premarital dalliances.
While it is true that this would be a private matter and nobody else's business, the point from Obama Mama seems to be, not that Palin's romantic ardor is anyone else's business, but the hypocrisy.
Palin claims to be a committed conservative Christian. Every single conservative Christian denomination, from Catholic to Baptist to Mormon to Palin's own Assembly of God, roundly and vigorously condemns premarital sex as being a "sin."
This highlights yet additional little-known Bible factoids that the devout are often shocked to discover from their holy book. So again, don't take my word for it, pull that dusty icon of worship (than engraved image) off the book shelf, and instead of bowing before it, actually blow off the layer of dust, open it up, and read for yourself in 1st Corinthians 7:36.
Now it is no secret that I am no great fan of the renegade "apostle" Paul, who wrote so much that directly opposes Jesus (restricting women, while Jesus elevated them; supporting slavery while Jesus elevated the "servant" to the "greatest of all," condemning homosexuals while Jesus, silent on the subject, elevated others who were despised and outcast and, especially, in teaching the direct opposite as to how people are saved).
But it cannot be disputed that Paul was among the most, if not the most, conservative writers in the Bible. Yet, here in I Cor 7:36, Paul of all people confirms that if an unmarried couple have pre-marital sex (note the distinction between PRE-marital sex and EXTRA-marital sex, or adultery), there is no sin if they subsequently marry! It does not say that they are merely forgiven, it says they have not sinned!
In contrast, the adultery - the breaking of vows - was punishable by death in those times, according to the Law of Moses.
Paul here echoes the Law of Moses, which only required those having sex to get married. But one great cruelty in the Law of Moses, as specified in Deut 22:28-29, is that if a man rapes a woman, he must pay her father 50 shekels and must marry her! Not only that, but as further penalty to him, he cannot take advantage of the easy divorce laws and "put her away." In no way is the rape victim given a choice. They are stuck together for life! The marriage must happen! Perhaps she had refused his proposal! All he has to do is rape her and she's trapped for the rest of her poor, miserable life, with the person who violated her, no matter how righteous and virtuous she had tried to live. She is a double victim.
Oh well, God moves in mysterious ways.
Blessings,
3D

Vista Granny wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:48 AM:Mr. D'Alo wants to know how we would feel if a "group of adults" wanted to marry each other. Well, I for one couldn't care less. I wonder if the type of sex practiced is the main reason those opposed to gay marriage object so violently? Nothing to do with "sanctity" at all Perhaps they object to them married gays getting the tax breaks marriage provides in our country, or the right to stay with their loved one when they are dying? When you think about it, having and raising children doesn't really require marriage, does it? You know, I've thought about it, and people who insist on bringing up totally diverse and stupid reasons to object to gay marriage, you know- like maybe someone would want to marry their dog are really pretty silly. On the other hand, if I wanted to marry my dog, what business is it of theirs? Oh, I forgot, my dog is a female. Would that make us a gay couple?

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:12 AM:Obama's tolerance of infanticide
Alexandra, this is ridiculous and insulting-seriously, do some research

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:14 AM:It never gets old
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:23 AM:
I still have to laugh when people such as Gary Lawson tell us how old they are, and that people of their age lose their mental abilities, but still consider themselves lucid enough to tell the rest of us what to think.

i don't get the feeling he's telling people what to think, just expressing his opinion, which i happen to agree with-it means more coming from him...

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:18 AM:Jon, it doesn't work like that-way to bring up the tired old william ayers charge again-by your logic mccain should be held accountable for duke cunningham's actions-after all they associated with each other in the congress and gop caucus

Obama's security clearance

If you or I were to try and get a top-secret security clearance, and a background check revealed we had been a druggie in our youth, and as an adult counted as one of our close friends and associates an avowed terrorist who had been involved with bombing the Pentagon, we would never get the security clearance.

Oh Sunshine wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:19 AM:This is the modern Republican party. Why ask for truth or integrity? Hey, Palin bargained with big oil and wants nothing more than to give them more land and more taxpayer subsidies. That makes her an energy expert! She governs the state that borders Canada and is near the Russian tundra. That makes her a foreign policy expert. She signed some checks to pay the Alaska National Guard and has a kid going in the service. That makes her a military expert. When you're a Republican, life is sooooo easy! It's not like being a Democrat. Hillary, for example, has been a politica warrior for years, hitting and getting hit, and is mocked and insulted by Republicans 24/7. She's learned the hard way what it's like to be a woman with political courage. What it's like to be accused of everything from stupidity to nutcracking to murder and have to press on. No such obstacles for Ms Palin!

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:23 AM:Um Tina
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:08 AM:
Henry Cejudo is the exception, not the rule.....
That is all. illegal is still illegal. We are a country of laws. Deal with it.

dear um tina
all tina did was write a nice letter about an olympian, and you go off on an immigrant-bashing tangent

your comment is inaccurate and sad-the vast majority of all immigrants want a better life (something we should respect)-until you admit this is a demand problem, advocate putting employers who hire illegally in prison, and quit bashing immigrants, you will lose people like myself who get that the problem is complex-deal with it!

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:26 AM:charles, do you ever let facts get in the way of a pathetic diatribe? did obama really flip off the soldiers? i didn't think so

the only critique of obama i've read here that didn't contain lies was that he may be inexperienced, then mccain picks palin and it's no longer an issue? your sense of fair play has eluded you...

Chuck
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:36 AM:
>>>Gov Palin visited Alaskan troops in Kuwait>>>
And Hussein lifted the middle finger to the troops in Germany, all because he wasn't allowed to bring the throngs of adoring media and their cameras with them for a photo-op.

He Said wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:27 AM:Evidently Little Miss Sunshine's knowledge comes from some spin she's heard. She has no real clue what's going on in Alaska be it oil, environment, or soon to be Vice President Palin.

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:32 AM:ah, she said, how right you are that mr d'alo's points have been discussed time and time again

people with bigotry based on religion have made this argument before, trying to keep inter-racial couples apart-you were on the wrong side of history then, and you are now...way to build a bridge to the 19th century!
to be consistent i hope you are vigilant about people who trim their beards, plant wheat and barley in the same row, and masturbate (among other odd sins punishable by death)

She Said
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:44 AM:
Mr. Steve D'Alo certainly wasted his time and probably a postage stamp writing that letter. His points are a lot of bunk and have been discussed time and time again

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 AM:And as usual...
"DOBSONS HURRICANE" {Aug 31} @6:53 PM,

attempts to dodge what he has said:
QUOTE: "But speaking of weather, looks like God's Republicans are going to have their convention in [Larry Craig's favorite community] of the Twin Cities [can't tell twins GWB and McSame apart] competing against a reminder of the single biggest debacle of the Bush/McCain administration [OK, second to Iraq, oh, and the economy, and the corruption thing, and the housing crisis, and the price of gas, and the lack of health care] - a hurricane in New Orleans!
God is a liberal! And he does have a (wry) sense of humor!
Thank you Jesus! Praise the Lord!" END Quote

Like I said, lib's are always looking at things thru the political lens. In other words, how will this work to our advantage, politically? I just think it's rather despicable to think God is on your side, pushing a hurricane down on a city.

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:44 AM:And again...
I would remind "Ms M" @12:45 AM...

I have already covered this subject, in my post "Ron" {Aug 31} @3:48 PM.

Some highlights...
"But, your still having to size up the two between the Democrat's #1 pick, and our #2 pick, the VP.
...here's a little free advise, no charge... STOP. Cause every time you do the comparison, your openly saying he's not qualified."

Clearer now?

Translator wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:58 AM:Translation of 3D's lengthy (but informative) blog at 7:41 a.m.:
Liberal Christians worship Jesus Christ.
Conservative "Christians" give lip service to Jesus but worship Paul.
The Bible is full of surprises if you actually read it.
Better to keep religion out of public policy.

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:59 AM:And Bill Clinton would know how to tell a story, Linda Setter.

Everything from: "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I've ever seen."

To: "I did not have sexual relations.. with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

Yep, one thing about ole Billy Bob Clinton, he sure knew how to spin a good yarn.

Joe Biden's now become a storyteller,
first story.. being President is not the time for On the Job training.
Now.. Best Qualified.

But, my favorite these days is John Edwards. You remember him? John "Two America's" Edwards, where in one America includes those with mistresses, and those who don't. Where, you can tell 99% of the truth, and still demand your not the baby's daddy.

Harry wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:07 AM:Well Tina if his parents were illegal he had no business being there representing the USA,he's representing Mexico.No one has a problem with immigrants.Just illegal immigrants.

TFB wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:09 AM:Alexandra Cloney has learned the key to conservative propaganda: if you can't argue with facts and reason about someone's position, just lie about it!
Obama has stated that he opposes late-term abortion, which Roe v. Wade does allow to be outlawed if regulated to protect women's health.
The FACT is that less than 4 out of every 10,000 abortions occurs in the third trimester, and ALL of them are for reasons of serious medical conditions. There is no abortion provider today who provides 3rd trimester abortions on a discretionary basis.

And Oh Sunshine's comments about Hillary at 8:19 a.m. are right on target. Whatever one may say about Hillary's political positions or campaign style, she is a tough, experienced, seasoned professional who has earned her stripes the hard way, including providing the support that enabled her husband to have a successful governorship and presidency.
On the issues and on experience, one can say to Sarah Palin: YOU'RE NO HILLARY CLINTON.
And if John McCain is cynical to think that the real thing can be substituted with this hollow barbie doll, he has no idea how much of a patronizing insult this is to real women.

See no evil wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:11 AM:Let’s stipulate that Bettie’s son was not a mole, as in working for a foreign government. But if a mole is defined as someone (her son) on the inside (of the CIA) giving information to someone on the outside (Bettie), well.
The official in charge of the investigation, Patrick Fitzgerald, a Republican U.S. Attorney appointed by GWB, put it in the court record that Plame was in fact under covert status (NOC) and was covered under the relevant statute. No one was charged for the outing under the statute because it says the outing must be made knowingly and intentionally. Hard to prove, especially when the cover-up originates in the White House.
This is old news and the facts are there for anyone to see. Unless you’re a mole, as in the rodent who stumbles blindly through life.

DOBSONS HURRICANE wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:20 AM:As I noted yesterday at 6:54 p.m., Ron hypocritically manufactures accusations of politicizing tragedy when he thinks he can pin it on Democrats, merely for noting irony, but not when Republicans do it with vicious intent.

As I previously noted, Rev James Dobson maliciously and hatefully called on Christians to pray for meteoroligal mischief to hurt the Democrats. Does Ron criticize this? The silence is deafening (and defining). When their pleas for God's hateful involvement in politics backfires, and someone merely notes the irony, Ron goes ballistic.

As I said yesterday, Ron has the nerve to criticize my criticism of Dobson, with nary a negative word about the cruelty and hatred coming from Dobson that masquerades as Christianity.
As 3D so often reminds us, today's cruel "Christians" - today's religious estiablishment - would be the first ones to string that radical, long-haired hippie Jesus guy up on the cross.

And in reality it is the Republicans who are using this tragedy for political gain, taking advantage of an excuse to avoid the embarassing choice between asking an unpopular President to stay home from their convention or, even worse, having him there. Aha! Gustav gives them the perfect excuse. What needs to be shown, over and over, is reminders of what happened last time a hurricane roared through New Orleans: Bush at the Arizona ranch of JOHN McCAIN eating birthday cake - the ultimate "let them eat cake moment" of modern history - waiting days to go to New Orleans. Yes, they learned their lesson - we really do need government - but at what an enormous cost in American blood and treasure.

Oh Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:21 AM:You know very well from your reading, radio listening, and hearing yourself speak that it was the Republicans who, month after month, McCain among them, accused Obama of being unfit due to inexperience. It made little sense then, considering who these Republicans elected in 2000, but it was the one thing they thought they "had" on Obama compared with McCain. Now they, and their candidate, have tossed their belief in their own charges into the trash, appointing someone even less old and experienced than Obama. So, Ron, as you know, it is not actual liberals who are screaming about Palin's inexperience. It is you conservatives screaming that liberals are screaming this, all so you can point out Obama's. Once again: strawman liberals, the only liberals you can win an argument with. That said, we liberals are certainly willing to correct absurd conservative claims about Ms Palin, such as yours that living in the state near Russia makes her knowledgable about foreign affairs. But that's not a criticism of Ms Palin, it's a criticism of your desperation. Comprende?

Oh Ron part II wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:24 AM:I can't believe you bring up Edwards. LOL! As you promote adulterer John McCain! And then, to top it off, you also quote Joe Biden's comments on "no on the job training" for the Presidency, even as your hero, McCain, says Sarah Palin is "most qualified" to be a heartbeat away. Oh, Ron, I gotta admit, in this election one cannot help but make absurd points if one is to be a vocal republican, but please, at least make clever ones. You sound absolutely ridiculous!

Ms M wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:25 AM:Ron
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:44 AM:...Only in Republican America would a black man with a law degree from Harvard, 12 years in politics, four years on the senatorial FRC and manager of one of the most impressively flawless and forward thinking presidential campaigns ever not be ready for the presidency while a white female evangelical with 19 months in local politics and a bachelors in journalism is considered "ready on day one"....(this was written by a blogger on another site)....

Ms M wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:27 AM:Ron
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:59 AM:....But, my favorite these days is John Edwards. You remember him? John "Two America's" Edwards, where in one America includes those with mistresses...gee Ron I would think your favorite would be your guy McCain, who not only had a mistress but left his wife for her!

Brian L. wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:32 AM:The Big Latinos That Didn't
A perfect example of open border/pro-illegal immagrant racism. Tina Jillings proves her racist point of view once again. She writes that Henry Cejudo is born in the U.S. and then goes on to say immigrants do "contribute" to the betterment of our country. How is this young man an immigrant if he was born in the United States? Deport the parents. Committing crime is NOT contributing. Burdening the United States social programs is not contributing either. Shame on you for not telling the truth Tina Jillings.

Oh sunshine wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:32 AM:TFB is correct again, as usual. The entire late-term abortion discussion is a scam. There is no one, no one, who is "for" late term abortions unless there is a critical medical issue. Everyone knows that these are incredibly rare. Late term abortions are a 100% non-issue. But the so-called "pro-life" people desperately need to melt all abortions into the same concept. They want to say that anyone who thinks a woman should have the right to choose whether to keep a newly fertilized egg is identical to someone who is "for" late term abortions, for infanticide (stretching the meaning even further, to include the murder of born humans!). It's a scam, a lie, dishonest, and they should be called on it every time. They know that their arguments are weak when it comes to cases of abortions that actually occur, so they desperately and dishonestly connive to make a complicated and difficult situation into an easy one: it's all infanticide! Well, sorry, it isn't. And since we all now know with certainty that abortion is not condemned in either Testament, we know that these people do not even have a religious basis for their beliefs. It's simply their passionate irrational opinion. Period. Sorry, that's not enough to be the basis of law in the USA. Go away, or stay, but at least try to have some honesty and integrity. Stop trying to scam us.

Ms M wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:33 AM:Ron
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 AM:...I just think it's rather despicable to think God is on your side, pushing a hurricane down on a city....Ron it is so very sad that you miss the irony of the situation. It wasn't the libs doing a rain dance for the cons to be rained upon - it was the cons who WERE praying for it to rain down on Obama. See God just don't like ugly and being played and used. LMAO

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:33 AM:Alexandra Cloney point is well taken, and Obama's remains murky.

At the Saddleback Forum, Obama could have put this issue to rest, he did not.
Surely, most Americans could agree that LIFE begins at birth. Even if you think it actually begins at conception, surely when the child takes it's first breath, that should seal the deal, for everyone. But, Obama wouldn't even say that. Why?

I think Alexandra rightly points to Obama's own record on this, in that, when a mother has chosen for the infant to die, it should die. Even if it survives the partial birth abortion.
The horrors of this are simply unspeakable. To imagine, a child evades the death sentence, takes it's first breath, and then is placed in a utility closet to perish.
I'd have to say, in light of "Alf"'s
5:31 AM post, that this meets the definition of PRETTY MUCH equal protection under the law.

no trial
9 months & 2, 3, 4, 5 minutes?
no appeals

CHOICES wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:35 AM:Does Linda Setter really not understand how political decision making works?
Bill was against Obama in the primary because the choice was between Hillary and Obama.
With that as the choice, be believed that Hillary was the better choice.
Now here is a surprise for you: HE STILL BELIEVES THAT.
But Hillary is no longer an available option.
Now the choice is between Barack Obama and John McCain.
Barring some unforseseen tragedy, one of those two men will be sworn into the presidency on January 20, 2009.
That is the choice.
Between those two options, Bill Clinton sincerely believes that Barack Obama is the better choice.
Not perfect. Just better.
Does Setter also condemn all the Romney, Giuliani and Huckabee supporters who are now behind McCain? (You know, the ones not voting for Ron Paul or Bob Barr.)

To Tina wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:42 AM:I am proud of Henry. I don't question his representing the USA at all. He is not an immigrant, he is an American citizen. Get the difference? It's his parents and you I have a problem with.

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:44 AM:The news is reporting that to rebut rumors, Palin says 17-year-old daughter is pregnant.
That certainly beats what Mayor Sanders said about his daughter, when he broke a campaign promise

Those in glass houses wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:45 AM:Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:35 AM: Like I said, lib's are always looking at things thru the political lens. In other words, how will this work to our advantage, politically? I just think it's rather despicable to think God is on your side, pushing a hurricane down on a city.


Do you ever really think before you start typing?
The Republicans used 9/11 for political advantange. They used the Iraq war too, until that backfired on 'em. Every other issue as well.
Fallwell said 9/11 was God's revenge. Pat Robertson said Katrina was God's revenge.
But I suppose if you're a Republican and God really is on your side it's okay. Is that it?

Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:51 AM:Ron,
nobody wants a hurricane to hurt a city; if it does, we'd like a competent response, something that was beyond bush/cheney/mccain during katrina

i assume you're going to rip mccain for doing what you think john edwards did wrong

also, to claim that libs view all through a political lens is a ridiculous statement, in light of the fact that bush and cheney ran the white house on that basis (according to multiple sources)

one last thing, bringing up bill clinton's presidency is both irrelevant and lame, considering you refuse to see the high crimes of the gop since 2000




Like I said, lib's are always looking at things thru the political lens. In other words, how will this work to our advantage, politically? I just think it's rather despicable to think God is on your side, pushing a hurricane down on a city.

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:51 AM:AS "DOBSONS HURRICANE" @9:20 AM clearly knows, and as I have previously stated many, many times before...
Any person who would use an Act of God to his or her political advantage I find very, very offensive.
Further, any person who would think that an act of terror would help them politically, I also find very offensive.
One of John McCain's people said as much. I said at the time, the guy was a kook burger, as would anyone else who would think any tragic event on America
would be good for them, politically.

But, having said that, are you actually trying to argue that asking God to make it rain, and being gleeful about that.
Is equal to this repugnant view, as voiced by the left, that another katrina like storm is God's karma on GWB? My first question would be:
What did the people in New Orleans do to deserve this?
And further, knowing what we now know about the utter destruction katrina did to the gulf state coast, why in the world would you not have utter compassion and empathy for those who would be the victims of the storm? Instead of how gleeful you were at the thought of Bush getting what he deserves?
The mind simply boggles...

Oh yeah wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:53 AM:Thanks for reminding us, Choices, of the fallen Republicans with Presidential ambitions. Especially strange to hear that name "Giuliani". So easy to forget that he exists. Remember him? The frontrunner! The Republican heroically associating himself with 9-11 nearly as often as MCCain says "POW"! The guy Ron liked. It brings the time back to me when most conservatives, and ALL the right wing talking heads from Hannity to Coulter, were up in arms warning Republicans not to touch John McCain with a ten foot pole. Since we are getting so much mileage out of Democrats who criticized Obama, let's sit back and recall the near-universal Republican, and especially conservative, opinion that McCain was more or less on a par with the devil. "Anyone but McCain!", they all said. Now? Why he's the most qualified in this wide wide land to lead the GOP. Thanks, Choices. These memories are precious.

Alf wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:56 AM:Well, "Vista Granny" at 7:48AM,
you've got a fine sense of humor, thanks!
Regards, Alf.

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:58 AM:Oh, and one more thing....
"DOBSONS HURRICANE" @9:20 AM...

What makes you think I even know who
this Rev James Dobson is? I don't know the guy, and if he said: 'Hey folks, let's get out there and pray to god to make it rain on Obama."
Well, all I gotta say about that is he's a kooker.
And.. if he does have a direct line, he's wasting a very valuable resource, we have a drought out this way, not in Denver. Just one man's opinion...

Good for the goose Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:04 AM:Now, now Ron, no fair. You are the absolute king here of finding some one person who says something absurd and claiming that this opinion is that of your "liberals", as you've just done with the Gustav situation. So you have given up your right forever to escape being associated with christian conservative Dotson. LOL

Dancing in the Rain wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:08 AM:Ron[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:58 AM: Not that we doubt you, Ron. But, Ron, we do doubt you. I think not only would you be out there praying. You would be out thee dancing for the rain.

Focal Point wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:14 AM:Bettie Heldring: Could be about those companies. But, neithr you nor I can be assured with an open bid contract opportunity. Clinton is not the issue. Everytime, the Republicans get themselves into trouble, they try to deflect to Clinton. Coould the French company due the same jog for less if contracted? Surely, Beth, you believe in the free market and the free trade?

INFO wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:17 AM:The little Latino that did! Thanks for the info. ICE, pick up his Mom and Dad.
Per Tina they are illegal and undocumented.

Focal Point wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:19 AM:Focal Point[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:14 AM: Please excuse all my typos in last blog. Slept real late and the coffee has not made an impact yet.

Gettin Jiggy wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:22 AM:Lay off McCain, it's not his fault Cindy was getting a bit long in the tooth. He's a POW, he's earned our respect.

McCain/Palin08 She's Ready To Lead!

Toe of the Boot wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:22 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:36 AM: Chucks ignores the truth. Palin visited troops in Kuwait. Obama visited troops in Bagdad before flying off to Germany
Obamba did not give the troops the finger. But, he will be giving McCain and Palin the toe of his boot right quick.

Focal Point wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:24 AM:Little Miss Sunshine[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:31 AM: Keep a chair for McCain. He needs the same education.

Ms M wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:24 AM:The following are highlights of todays GOP convention:

Today's unique programming highlights include:

10:40 am ET: Lt. Gen. Russel Honore on Gustav.....

4:00 pm ET: Bloggers Roundtable
Melissa Long hosts a panel of diverse bloggers
who discuss Hurricane Gustav's impact on the RNC...

Help me out folks, can we not get this info on the 24/7 news coverage? Why not postpone the convention until the weather gets better - that way the cons can showcase their candidates and the wonderful things their party have done for our country over the past 7 plus years. ....um maybe Dobson knew what he was doing LMAO!

Alf wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:24 AM:Well, "Ron" at 9:33AM,
No trial,
Sentence 18 years and 9 months,
No recourse in the world according to "Ron".
"Ron", you speak as one who has not been pregnant.
Then again, so do I.
The difference between us is that I do not try to control what a woman does with her body.
As I've said MANY TIMES, if it was YOU who could and did become pregnant, I truly believe that your tune would be completely opposite to what it currently is.
By the way, all citizens must be equal, if someone is brain-dead, who decides whether or not to "pull the plug"?
If a fetus is born and therefore becomes an infant, but has most of its brain missing and will die in 5 days no matter what, with or without "heroic measures", do you want to be the one to pay for those heroic measures and the 5 days?
Do you want to watch the entire 5 days time as death approaches and then happens no matter what you do?
Regards, Alf.

Question and answer wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:28 AM:Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:51 AM: As "DOBSONS HURRICANE" @9:20 AM clearly knows, and as I have previously stated many, many times before...

Then why didn't you write:
Like I said, lib's AND CONSERVOS are always looking at things thru the political lens. In other words, how will this work to our advantage, politically? I just think it's rather despicable to think God is on your side, pushing a hurricane down on a city.

Oh, I get it, you saw some political advantage in only calling out the libs.

Frenchie wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:29 AM:Of course, in Ron's mad scramble to research Palin (appears that McCain forgot to vet her first) he misses the fact that she is French. Freedom Fries, anyone?

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:29 AM:As we all know, this election has been an election of "First's."
First woman, first African-American...
All this talk and chatter about breaking glass ceilings....

How about a glass ceiling on age?

As I recall, it was the Democrats who first pushed, and then passed age discrimination laws. In short, age should not be a factor in aquiring a job.
Being an avid athete, I am throughly frustrated by older men passing me, but I've grown to accept my own limitations.

As Ronald Reagan said about his opponent Walter Mondale: "I will not exploit, for political purposes, my opponent's youth and inexperience."
So said Ronald Reagan in one of his debates, he was then 73.

Asteroid to Paul wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:33 AM:"dear um tina
all tina did was write a nice letter about an olympian, and you go off on an immigrant-bashing tangent"
Tina’s letter was just another load, ignoring the difference between legal and illegal immigrantS. Would I be going out on a limb if I guessed your another guilt ridden self loathing white liberal?

chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:39 AM:>>>Obama visited troops in Bagdad before flying off to Germany>>> Hussein refused to see the troops in Germany because he was not allowed a photo-op media circus. Palin has character and would never consider doing that

chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:45 AM:>>That is all. illegal is still illegal. We are a country of laws. Deal with it.>>> You're right. Nixon got removed for breaking into an office. On the other hand, when my office got broken into, the cops laughed and said, "Go tell it to your insurance company, not us"

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:51 AM:>>>that way the cons can showcase their candidates>>>>> Oh, you mean by moving McCains speech to a 70,000 seat stadium, so he could wave his staff and forgive everyones sins, while the arena hall was good enough for everyone else

Ms M wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:56 AM:Chuck
[-] wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:51 AM ....Oh, you mean by moving McCains speech to a 70,000 seat stadium...Chuck, the cons would have moved his speech to a stadium even with Gustav if they thought they could get 70,000 folks to show up!

Ron wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:17 AM:Well, "Alf" @10:24 AM...
Based on this comment: Sentence 18 years and 9 months..?
Huh? Are you actually saying living as a woman is a punishment?
As in, 18 years + the 9 months?

When I first read this, I thought you were thinking, what I have sometimes thought about my own three sons, that I wish I hadn't. Ya know? Ever have one of those days? LOL
Like the old saying goes: You cannot put an old head on young shoulders.

But, you are right about my own inexperience when it comes to women.
Apart from the wisdom of my wife, and the example of my Mother, and Grand-Mothers, since I do not "own the equipment", I guess I'm at a loss of "understanding." At least, in that respect.
But, I think I do understand men very well, since.. I also own the equipment.
One thing I have tried, with great frustration at times, is to pass down to my own three the need to respect women, as people, as persons, as individuals. Knowing themselves sexually, their drives, their motives, in balance of their respect of women.
Self-control, to put it simply.
Maybe you missed my rant the otherday, when I went off on disgusting men who try to force onto women their own needs, not practising self control, mutual respect, knowing that a passing, pleasurable moment, is not worth the consequences? And I am particularly disgusted with men who have an attitude of "trying it, before you buy it."
Something I have desperately tried to teach my own.
That being said, I know this is not a commonly held belief anymore, but I wish it would come back into fashion.
Believe me, with my youngest I am living through the age of "hooking-up."
This, I believe, is the end point of a long downward slide towards making women more man-like. It is the fulfilment of the feminist ideal, living a sexually free and unburdened life, just like a man.
I think this misses the larger point, in that, some men walk away, men of no honor. And gives women a since of false freedom, since many end up holding the bag.
I have my own thoughts about the origin of this movement, it is controversial, in that, I think men have created birth control used by, for themselves.
If you look at the history of how birth control devices, and then drugs came to the market, behind them are men.
Sure, women want them. But, really...
which came first? The chicken, or the egg?

Chuck wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:27 AM:The stadium clean up crew reports that 30,000 Birchenstocks were found in the stands, with 40,000 rainbow handkerchiefs when the clean up had finished.
There was no evidence that water was turned into wine, or that the loaves and fishes had been multiplied. And the 5,000 women who fainted and were revived, were all traced to the looney ward at Denver General

Vista Granny wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:27 AM:It's not a rumor -- Palin's daughter is pregnant. She's 17 and has to get married. How very, very