i truly hope wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:08 PM:this monster suffers in jail, really suffers. he needs to be put in general population with everyone to know what he did to this poor lady. God Bless her soul and her family and friends. I am so sorry to hear of such cruelty.

Pathetic wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:27 PM:8 years is rediculous.. Any woman that gets raped should get more than any court in California would give him.. We need more severe punishment for things like that..

Jill says wrote on Sep 4, 2008 8:43 PM:Tammy, I am so proud of the strength you displayed in speaking out in court and standing up for yourself and other women too that are now spared from being hurt by this disgusting excuse of a man. He is not a man! Better days are coming sister...just remember..."1 day closer"

Lisa wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:44 PM:Now we have to feed and house this disgrace of a human being, for eight years and then he gets deported, and he'll be able to hop right back over the border with no documents and live a life like this never took place.

This is what we law abiding legal citizens have to put up with because our government is spineless and corrupt and won't enforce our immigration laws. These are the kind of people the latino activists are protecting. Deport them all before they have a chance to disobey anymore laws.

Tammy, I'm sorry you had to go through this, but your courage to have this lowlife prosecuted is commendable.

Disgrace wrote on Sep 4, 2008 9:52 PM:8 years is nothing for the crime he commited. I give this strong woman praise for not putting the rest of her family in danger- and for her husband for staying with her through this ordeal. I pray that God gives your family the strength- I hope this animal isn't back in the US ever again. We don't want him here!

To Lisa wrote on Sep 4, 2008 10:46 PM:To "Lisa" - please leave your paranoia at the door. What does this have to do with "latino activists"? You are obviously "using" an alias. You think you are so clever.

Tunnel vision is not an assett.

This story is about a woman that was Brutally raped. Rape is rape - whether it is by a legal or illegal resident.

So, try to concentrate and think about this lady who will forever suffer. And then think about the hell she went through just to get to this day.

Tammy has more strength in her little toy than you do in your entire body.

really wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:17 AM:This is ridiculous. Escondido is becoming unlivable. I make my girlfriend carry mace in her purse, and I have an alarm system and an assault rifle. Escondido wasn't like this when I grew up here. The ACLU and state of California have made this city an unlivable joke.

eight years wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:46 AM:Eight years is nothing for what this guy did. I resent my tax dollars being spent to house and feed anyone, citizen, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant, who does this. This crime deserves execution.
An aside: I don't think the man's illegal-immigrant status is relavant at all. Horrible crimes are committed by people of all immigration statuses, and this crime shouldn't affect anyone's views of illegal immigration.

Lynn wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:28 AM:hey Girlfriend, YOU did great. I want to thank you for the courage that you displayed to bring this monster to "JUSTICE." Sigh, 8 years does NOT fit the crime that he has done to you honey but at least now you can try to put all this behind you. To mangel another human being like this not only mentally but physically...and only get 8 years puts me in a tail spin. Perhaps someone needs to start changing those laws in Cali. You would be a great advocate for that. hugs lynn

Greg in Oceanside wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:29 AM:Wait a minute! The NCT reports that; "Navarro, a 'resident of Mexico' who rented a room from Chavez in her Mark Avenue home, raped Chavez the morning of June 17, 2002..."

If Navarro is being deported after he serves the measly 8 years, shouldn't the NCT have reported that Navarro is an ILLEGAL ALIEN FROM MEXICO?

This is yet another example of the kind of illegal immigrants who are sneaking into this country, causing rampant crime, rape, murder, assaults, robberies, theft, gang violence, and mayhem. I'm sorry, but I've had enough and don't want any more of these people living in our communities and neighborhoods! Enough already!

One of the most hideous things about this crime is that Navarro was living in Chavez's home then 'violates her' in the most disgusting way. Words can't describe the magnitude of this crime committed by this animal.

This, and all the other crimes we read day after day that involve illegal aliens, further reinforces the need for the impenetrable fence and wall along the entire border with Mexico.

sad wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:44 AM:After the 8 years, neuter him and only send him back unless the fence is built otherwise keep that thing in prison the rest of his miserable life.

b wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:49 AM:DEATH PENALTY

Bill wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:53 AM:Oh!! but they will deport him after his 8 years!

Do they expect us to think he won't just come back? There are times I really think these politicians are brain dead!!

Send them home wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:05 AM:One way of controlling illegal immigration should be by sending these leeches back to their country of origin as soon as they commit a crime. Another way of controlling immigration should be by sending students that are abusing the public school system by either discipline problems or by not keeping a 2.0 or higher GPA. Send them home!

To Lisa wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:12 AM:Riiight, enforce immigration laws and we end all crimes/rapes. Alaska alone has the highest rape cases in the U.S. You can't tell me the reason for those rapes is the high number of immigrants there.

It seems he isnt even wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:14 AM:sorry for what he did? He scoffed at her comments? Obviously 8 years in prison will not fix him and he will be free to do it again and again. Why can't we just shoot him? Or at least put a pink tutu on him in prison!

What wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:23 AM:Deportation? We don't have a problem with Illegal Aliens in the United States, so what is with the deportation. To read this article one might be led to believe there are 98 Million Illegal Aliens in the United States.

Dirty Sanchez wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:56 AM:Now, who is against the driver's license checkpoints? This illegal alien should not have been in this country and this woman should not have been brutally raped. This is tragedy.

The Reality is-- wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:13 AM:This rapist after serving his sentence and being deported will come right back into the US and committ more crimes. It happens all the time. Both presidential candidates will grant Amnesty and only make matters worse. Were's the fence????

Thanks wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:14 AM:Thanks Mexico for sending us this wonderful export. Mexico is truly our "friendly neighbor to the South".

To Really wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:21 AM:You are not the only one by a long shot, I carry a .357 snub nose, yes still waiting for the concealed weapons permit, but I plan on being alive when I finally get one. Lots of fellow Escondidos citizens are carrying weapons as the Feds, State and Cities refuse to protect it's citizens. Hang in there!

You mean if the wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:23 AM:Feds were doing their job the tax payers pay them to do, this guy would of been deported before the rape? What is wrong with this picture?

Craig wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:04 AM:to To Lisa: I don't believe Lisa claimed enforcing immigrations laws would end ALL violent crimes, but if it decreases violent crimes, wouldn't that make it worthwhile? Probably not in your mind, because you weren't the one raped and sodimized so you just want to feel pity for all the criminals not the victims.

Esco Native wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:06 AM:I am so sorry for what has happen to Mrs. Chavez, I am glad though that she is standing up to this pig of a man. I hope some day she will recover. They shoul cut rapists things of so they can never do it again!! Eight years is not enough how will the state feel if he does this again when he is released it is not that hard to come across the boarder again. To those of you who make your rude comments about Illegals if you believe all the crime that goes on around here is by Mexican what do you think happens on the other side of the boarder?? Wouldn't you want to bring your sons and daughter and wifes somewhere else? This kind of thing happens to much over there and the sad thing is many times there is no justice. I hope God will help this family get though this. God bless them.

sad but true wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:12 AM:Sad thing is, he won't due 8 years. That's just his sentence, we all know you only due half your time and then they let you out for good behavior.

Maria Arg.. wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:15 AM:Eight Years! Come on! This man should have been sentence to 25 years to life.

The law must change.

LOL wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:20 AM:I hope this guy gets raped with a cactus everyday while he's in prison.

Greg in Headinthesand wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:24 AM:Greg's comment is one of my favorite kinds that I read on the NCT's website. You criticize the NCT for not calling him an illegal alien and then you cite a sentence from the same article to show that he IS an illegal alien. Brilliant!


I agree with the comments above that he's just gonna come right back in after we deport him, so why Mexico? Can we deport him to Mars?


Obviously we have to punish and deport him because he's a convicted criminal. But you're being ignorant if you suggest that this is somehow the result of slack immigration enforcement. What, American citizens don't rape anyone? Here's an idea: Let's deport all 305 million people in the country. Then we won't have any rapes at all.

J.D. wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:28 AM:UNDER either MCCAIN OR OBAMA, this individual would have received AMNESTY.

Yep, Obama-McCain-Bush-Kennedy want MORE of these individuals in the country.

Don't waste your vote on either party this year.

Tax Dollars Wasted wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:52 AM:I applaud the victim for having the courage to see this through and am more than happy to see him be sentenced to 8 years (although it should have been more). However, the idea that we now have to support this loser for the next 8 years before deporting him is offensive at best. How about deport him today straight into a Mexican prison to do his time.

Vonmises wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:53 AM:He gets eight years, she gets life.

DJ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:11 AM:Yes, J.D., all rapes will be prevented if we just deport illegal aliens. Oh, wait, I heard about a US citizen committing a rape once. Deport all Americans!!

Jimi wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:13 AM:8 years? In Texas he would do 25. No wonder California is known as the "illegal immigration state". Cases like this show the need for a just vigilante to take care of the problem. Obviously the state of california cannot protect the citizens. Looks like that's now left up to us. Look at the news, now Sacrapmento wants to give illegals drivers licenses again and free collge tuition. Throw out these bums in November.

To Tax wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:26 AM:Amen to that!!! Why should the US taxpayer support this filth? Our wonderful neighbor's to the South should take in ALL their criminals! At the very least, send this pig to Joe Arpaio.

esteban wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:31 AM:I hope something really bad happens to him in prison.

mars wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:37 AM:HAVE BEEN IN A COURT ROOM WITH THIS JUDGE, AND IT SURPRISES ME HOW HE GAVE THIS SCUM OF THE EARTH FELLOW ONLY 8 YEARS..HES A PRETTY HARSH JUDGE, WELL WHEN I L;AST REMEMBERED..WHAT HAPPEN?

We are the criminals wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:45 AM:for allowing Congress to remain quiet on the issue of immigration. If Congress would of done its job, this crime could of been prevented. Write your lawmakers demand Congress be held accountable for crimes against Americans on American soil by illegal aliens.

George wrote on Sep 5, 2008 10:25 AM:What have we become as a society that we allow monsters like this to walk among us. He should be taken from the court straight to the needle. To even think of this happening to my wife or daughters fills me with rage. The court gives him 8 years and a bus ride home??? My level of disgust and outrage can not be expressed. I can only hope that justice is served when he is payed back in a similar way in prison.

No-Spin wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:28 AM:I called the senators that voted to give illegal aliens drivers licenses this morning. I could not get an answer from all of them.This is the way this state is being run.These senators don't believe they are accountable for their voting process. This allows the Navarro's in society to commit thes crimes on OUR soil.

americangalever wrote on Sep 5, 2008 11:43 AM:Call the governor and tell him to veto SB60 which gives illegals drivers licenses. This is the last stop. You must stop him. Google the governor of california to get a link to his office.
This bill makes life easier for them and encourages illegals to stay.
Like this monster. He should have gotten much more he mutilated the woman for goodness sake. What's the matter with your judges California.

Jimmy wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:03 PM:To DJ:

Nobody is claiming that American citizens never commit rapes. The point is that if our federal government was doing its job, and if our immigration laws were being enforced, and if our borders were fully secured, Victor Navarro would not have been in the United States and thus he would not have raped Tammy Chavez. This rape was totally preventable. We have enough home grown criminals. We don't need to be importing criminals from other countries.

To Greg wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:08 PM:One could concievably be a LEGAL alien (Lawfully Admitted for Permanent Residence) and still be deported. The key word is ALIEN. When we use inaccurate albeit cute euphemisms, confusion abounds. The fact is, this guy is a criminal deportable alien. The problem is; deportation is only a word and not a punishment. He will be back.

sarah from escondido wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:17 PM:Tammy - You are an amazing woman to have the courage to stand up to this horrible "man". 8 Years is NOT enough for what he has done, but unfortunatley it is the best they could do due to the current sentencing guildlines. I do not know you but am very proud you stood up to him in court. Very brave!!!!

To Jimmy wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:38 PM:Nicely said. Thank you for being reasonable and acknowledging both sides of the issue.

You are right - we have enough home grown criminals - we don't need to be importing criminals from other countries.

Craig wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:44 PM:To Jimmy: I earlier posted basically the same thing you said, but DJ, along with some others just are able to grasp the concept that we both posted.

Ricky wrote on Sep 5, 2008 12:49 PM:A teeny little thing they fail to report is a State judge cannot formally deport someone. This idiot has an I-247 detainer clipped to his file that remands him to the custody of Detention & Deportation upon release (in all probability 4 years or roughly 1/2 his sentence due to overcrowding). After his release from State prison, he will go before a federal immigration judge, who will probably release him on a 'promise to appear'. If he gets a decent attorney who can convincingly argue 'undue hardship', his deportation order will never stick. Mark my words. Just follow this case, you will be both shocked & sickened.

Bill wrote on Sep 5, 2008 2:57 PM:This year?

Illegals are allowed to break the law and they know nothing will be done. I'm sure there are many who are here and only breaking this one law...but I'd also bet the majority are breaking more than one law, thumbing their noses at every citizen of this country. And the experienced politicians do nothing, but raise our taxes.

ToBill wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:20 PM:Yah, they raise our taxes to support them.

why wrote on Sep 5, 2008 3:31 PM:I can not understand why the editor(s) censor posts when I have written nothing different from what has been posted ? Bias or what ?

Gary wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:40 PM:The really sad part about the sentence is that within 6 months of his deportation guess where he will be...

Way too lenient a sentence. I'd prefer he be locked up until he's dead.

Hysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:42 PM:You people are nuts for thinking that illegal immigration is somehow causing an epidemic of sex crimes. You're going to be stunned when we deport all the illegals and then realize that rapes are still occurring.

JD and Jimmy say this particular rape would have been prevented if we had better border enforcement. They're right, but so what? Check out the Web site for Megan's Law The sex offenders who live closest to Ms. Chavez are named Brown, Burgess, Staples, Montoya, Matchett, Fernandez, Ferdman and Busse. I'm willing to bet that most or all are US citizens. So that means if we had deported Mr. Brown and Mr. Burgess, they wouldn't have raped or molested. We could probably cut down on the number of rapes my deporting ALL citizens named Brown or Burgess! There's a solution!

The hysteria on this message board reminds me of the South Park episode where the parents see a news report that most child kidnappings are committed by parents. So the South Park parents send their kids out into the woods for three years to protect them from kidnapping. They also hire the City Wok guy to build a Great Wall around South Park. They think he'll be good at it because he's Chinese. But the Mongols come and tear it down again and again and he yells at them "Goddam Mongorians! I going to get you Mongorians if it's the rast thing I dooooo!" Next time I head south, I'll look for J.D. yelling at a family crossing the border illegally: "Goddam irregal immigrant moresters!"

There are plenty of good reasons to enforce immigration laws, but sex crimes aren't one of them. Some of you people are so obsessed with illegal immigration that you can't even think straight. Take a deep breath and relax. You'll be doing yourself and your fellow citizens a huge favor.

To Craig Jimmy wrote on Sep 5, 2008 4:44 PM:To Craig: You did not say the same thing as Jimmy. You assumed that Lisa felt sorry for the criminals (because she wasn't the one raped).

Whereas, Jimmy's post was much more classy and did not assume that Lisa or anyone felt sorry for the criminal.

Craig, maybe you should tend to your words a little more carefully. Maybe you meant to express what Jimmy expressed, but you have underlying feelings of animosity for those that do not feel the way you do.

To Hysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 5:41 PM:Point is he is illegal but he keeps coming back.
Build the wall with his chain gang labor, then send him packing.
Oh and wipe the foam off your mouth, it's dripping all over your logic.

ToHysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:02 PM:South Park, now there is something to derive life lessons from, cartoon land oh brother.

To Hysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:51 PM:I loved your comments!

I'm not a big South Park fan - as a matter of fact, it's a little too racy for me. But, I do appreciate the episode you referenced.

I really got a chuckle out of it.

Thanks for posting. I get it, even though others don't - like you said, they are so obsessed they can't even think straight.

Share again!

I have solution wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:58 PM:He should be deported (if not executed) without his gonads.

Jimi wrote on Sep 5, 2008 7:26 PM:That won't work for this fellow, he used a "foreign object". You would have to cut off his hands to prevent that.

januaryM wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:17 PM:Maybe he won't make it out of prison. ...happens in those places.
*smirk*

To Hysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:53 PM:I'm not sure you could have missed the point more if you tried. You accept reasonable logic and then try to diffuse it with some of the most poorly thought out suggestions I think I've ever read. Further, you try to bolster such idiotic thought patterns with one of the dumbest cartoons I think I've ever seen. There is just not enough reason in this world to make what you said make sense.

CONGRATULATIONS wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:14 PM:FINALLY!! I am so happy that you can finally take a breath and relax. After 6 years of suffering, surgeries, sleepless nights and several tears. I am proud of you for going thru with this and getting the JUSTICE you deserve. 8 years is nothing compared to what you have and will have to go thru the rest of your life. "KARMA IS A *****" You have my full respect......love Kerrie & Carlos

To To Hysteria wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:30 PM:I think he got his point exactly across.
The illegal is America's new scapegoat!
Let's blame the illegal for global warming and the war in Iraq next. South Park is a lot more clever than most people are aware. Believe me it's more than fart jokes and toilet humor from cartoon land.

Hysteria again wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:12 AM:The "reasonable logic" that I accepted was just the obvious fact that deporting the criminal before the crime would have prevented the crime. If we had deported Jeffrey Dahmer in 1977, he would not have murdered and dismembered 15 or 20 young boys. That doesn't mean we should deport all white male Wisconsonians with mustaches. If we had deported Timothy McVeigh in 1990, he would not have blown up the federal building in Oklahoma City. But that doesn't mean we should deport all veterans of Gulf War I who have pointy noses. If deport any group of 12 million people, you're going to get rid of some rapists and other criminals in the process, whether it's illegal immigrants, white men with mustaches, or ... Mongorians.
Like I said before, there are plenty of reasons to clean up America's immigration mess and/or deport people who are here illegally. But if we're all fired up for deportation over a case that has nothing to do with illegal immigration, we should at least consider deporting some of the wildly salivating vigilante scapegoaters who are posting on this blog because they're making our country less like a group of citizens and more like a pack of feral dogs.

... vigirantes! I no ret you use ridicurous rogic again if it da rast thing I do!!

JimRT wrote on Sep 6, 2008 5:47 AM:To "Hysteria" - Dude, put down the bong.
What do you think the mexicans would do if it were an american that did this in there country.

JimRT wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:19 AM:To "Jimi" That is what I like about Texas; no BS about breaking the laws and the punishmemnt for doing so. We could use that swift and harsh punishment here. You know that is what mexico would do, of course, unless you had money; their courts and police are always for sale.
The judge should have mad ean example out of him.

No Scapegoat wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:25 AM:At least not in the case. The fact is that the perpetrator of THIS crime is an illegal. The fact is that THIS crime could have been prevented if we had proper control of our borders. The fact is that the illegal that committed THIS crime will now be compensated for his deviousness by being fed, housed, clothed, etc by the legal taxpayers.

I realize you're likely being tongue-in-cheek when you say 'Let's black the illegal for global warming', but that's about as brilliant as suggesting the deportation of everyone who shares a name with a convicted sex offender. Again, I understand the sarcasm ... but not all sarcasm is clever or helpful in moving a conversation forward. Such extreme statements are largely just poorly received and counter productive.

I will, however, agree that South Park is a well written cartoon ... and I completely get the humor. I just don't happen to like it.

suspect receives light sentence because of medical advances wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:26 AM:I applaud this victim for going through all of the surgeries, therapy, and horrific life altering events to be able to come to court and see this monster be sent to prison, albeit the short sentence that it is.

There needs to be a change in our legal system to examine the fact that, had it not been for the advances in life-saving medicine, this victim would have been dead and his sentence would have been then life in prison. Because she survived through the advances in medical technology, this disgusting slime that occupies space and air will only get eight years.

The law needs to change and assess time in prison partially based on the life-threatening injuries that were sustained and the permanent damage to the victim.

Now if..... wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:15 AM:we could castrate him before sending him into prison, and also make it known to all the population of the prison/s in which he will do his time, the offence he was sent there for in the first place, life could/would be a living hell for him....

OCEANSIDE GANGBUSTER ON YOUTUBE wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:22 AM:Only eight years? hm, what's wrong this this picture?

I Hear an Echo wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:40 AM:There are 65 comments about the brutality of this rapist, most of which connect his violent nature to his immigration status, and decry the paltry 8 year sentence. There are no comments so far on a story posted today about 4 white men from La Jolla who beat a Hawaiian surfer to death. Their sentences range from 90 days to 349 days.

90 days for gang-murder okay with you all? Have young white affluent boys made you feel unsafe now in La Jolla? Where are the complaints about all our taxpayer money going to imprison all these boys? Anyone care to quote how many murders are committed annually by young white men, to show how evil their true nature is?

Outrage at violence should not be a thinly disguised outlet for racial bigotry.

Evil and cruelty comes in all colors, races and cultures.

To Hysteria wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:47 AM:The problem with having uncontrolled borders is that crud like this convict can come & go as they please. Sure there are lots of illegals that do not commit crimes of this magnitude, but there are a lot who come close. Plus, there seems to be an "under the radar" & "nothing to lose" attitude that comes with being here illegaly that I suspect we would see less of if we had true controlled entry. Illegals have already broken the law, federal law at that, at least once, so their disrespect for it is more likely to continue once they establish themsleves in our communities.

To Hysteria Again wrote on Sep 6, 2008 1:59 PM:You're trying to compare apples to oranges and it just doesn't fly. The crimes of Jeffery Dahmer, for example, could not have been prevented with something as simple as deportation or stronger border control because he was a legal US citizen. The same is true for Timothy McVeigh or any other legally domestic criminal ... lord knows we have plenty of them.

Navarro, on the other hand, was a resident of Mexico ... not the United States. With that, Navarro would not have been in this country to commit the crime he did if our borders were properly secured. As they are not, he was able to sneak in and destroy the life of this woman. His status in this country makes illegal immigration part of the story whether you like it or not.

Seriously, how do you feel about the fact that your tax dollars as well as ours are going to house, clothe and feed this animal before we send him back to his own country ... knowing full well he'll probably be back to commit more atrocities within a month?

No one is suggesting that only illegals commit crimes, or that all white male Wisconsonians with mustaches are cannibalistic homosexual predators, or even that all Gulf War veterans with pointy noses are domestic terrorists. Quite frankly, such blanket statements or assumptions are really just plain stupid and don't contribute in the slightest to a long term positive solution.

The United States is an over-crowded country with enough legal citizen criminals of its own to deal with. To suggest deporting all illegals would end crime altogether would be ridiculous, but suggesting that deporting illegals would help alleviate a problem already out of control is just plain good old fashioned common sense.

To Hysteria. wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:41 PM:We have offenders here, and we have to deal with them because they are our LEGAL CITIZENS. Why should we have to deal with any other countries puke? It's logic like yours that keep them coming everyday. If we, as a nation don't do something soon, this country will get worse that Mexico.

To I Hear an Echo wrote on Sep 6, 2008 2:58 PM:The fact that those punks all got less than a year for their crimes is ridiculous as well. However, our tax dollars should go to putting those evil little degenerates in prison. They are US citizens that are covered (despite their bad behavior) by the US tax system.

Navarro is not a US citizen and, as such, should not be a beneficiary of the US tax system.

That's not racial bigotry. In fact, race has nothing to do with it. It's simply common sense to think that US tax dollars should go to the benefit of US citizens. The liabilities of any illegal immigrant should be born by their country of legal residence. Period.

Gil wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:06 PM:Remember people, it is important to not hurt the perps feeling.

Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:08 PM:Vote for Hussein if you want more of these stories. He will stop building the fence and give illegals driver’s licenses. Oh, and don’t forget, he will give them free medical!!!!

To Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:48 PM:So will McCain ... he just won't admit it. Illegal immigration is an issue no candidate/elected really wants to deal with. And that goes to both sides of the fence.

Gun Laws wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:55 PM:Let law-abiding women carry loaded firearms, and watch these crimes decline.

Rape is a MENs ISSUE wrote on Sep 6, 2008 3:59 PM:not an immigration issue, not a women's issue. When 97% of rapes are committed by women, and when 1 of every 4 men is raped in this country, are ya'll gonna make it an immigration issue and refrain from mentioning that the criminal is a woman?

To To I Hear an Echo wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:03 PM:You call being imprisoned being a "beneficiary of the US tax system"! How is Navarro benefiting by serving prison time? I was under the impression that being locked up in prison was a punishment. Why do you seem to care more about the cost in dollars to punish this rapist than that he is punished for his crime? Is it because his victim is hispanic? If it were your wife or sister would you want to leave his punishment up to another country, who might allow him to simply roam the streets again?

It is interesting that you failed to address any of the other points made by I Hear an Echo, such as why there isn't the same outrage directed toward affluent white men who gang-murdered a Hawaiian surfer and got much lighter sentences than Navarro did for rape. Where's the fear of white men? The anger that they've ruined the community? Claims that their very presence make you feel unsafe?

The truth is, race isn't an issue when it's your own race who does the crime, it is only an issue when it is another race. In the old days people used to just sling racial slurs, now they pretend it's about "legality."

Sick of it wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:31 PM:That is the truly frightening aspect of this election. Despite the fact that the American people have expressed time and again that they don't want amnesty for illegal aliens and they want our borders protected, both candidates seem hellbent on putting illegals on the "Path to Citizenship." As far as I am concerned, that is the road to national ruination. We know from previous experience that amnesty does not work. All it did last time was put out the welcome mat for millions more and their strings of relatives to cross illegally and bide their time for governmental idiocy to hand over our citizens' most prized possession. In the meanwhile they just keep ruining our schools, bleeding taxpayer benefits,gumming up emergency rooms (without paying for treatment!),and committing crimes. It is time for us to put our support behind government officials who see the light and will take action. Do I sound angry? Hell, yes!

To Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:35 PM:You're so clever calling Obama "Hussein"! It sure makes him sound like an evil dictator, doesn't it? (Never mind that our parents, not we, choose our names, or that Hussein is a very common name world-wide, or to equate it only with you-know-who is unfair). It's just such darn fun to make fun of people's names! Were you also a bully in school? That's where lots of name-calling starts, and thanks to upstanding citizens like you, we can continue all the way through adulthood!

Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 4:45 PM:TO: To Frank:
Unfortunately you are right. It is amazing. The most important issue of the day and no one will talk about it. Will I even vote?

Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:36 PM:To: To Frank 4:35PM
LOL – your post is funny. Me. a bully – LMAO
I was not making fun of his name. Hussein is his middle name, just like people call Jorge, “W.” What’s the difference? Plus, Hussein should be proud of his name. God help us if we elect a leader who insecure about his name and heritage.

Re To To I Hear an Echo wrote on Sep 6, 2008 6:52 PM:Yes ... Being in prison makes you a beneficiary of the US tax system because its the US tax dollars that are supporting you. The only punishment prison provides is that you cannot leave the '4 walls' that you're not paying for to begin with. Sure they may have you do some type of 'work' while in prison, but it in no way pays your full way. We, as a society, can only hope that the criminals learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them when they get out.

I am completely offended that we have to support scum like Navarro with our US tax dollars when he shouldn't be in the US to begin with. For you to suggest it in any way has anything do with the either the victim or the perp being hispanic only serves to show your ignorance ... especially when you consider that you have no idea what heritage I hail from. Either one could be white, black, pink, purple or polka dot for all it mattered ... the fact is that the victim has been brutally victimized by a perp who had no legal right to be in her jurisdiction to begin with. Whether the punishment is done here or in his country of residence ... he's still going to end up walking the streets when all is said and done. You don't honestly think 8 years is enough time regardless of whose soil it's done on. This woman has been incredibly brave to overcome what she has and I feel she was completely short changed by the legal system because he really has no long term consequence to his actions. A few years in a state funded hotel that will provide far better accommodations than he would hope to get in Mexico. Yeah ... that's punishment alright.

For the record, I have the same level of outrage towards anyone who would violate another person in such a way. Navarro doing what he did or those La Jolla low-lifes doing what they did. Neither are any better and both deserve far more than what they received.

I don't fear anyone until they give me reason to. I don't dislike anyone until they give me reason to. I don't care what color you are, what God you pray (or don't pray) to, where you're from, who you sleep with or anything else you can think of that would allow you to further play this idiotic 'discrimination' card you think is somehow valid.

As disgusting as the pack hunting beating those punks did in La Jolla is (and it's certainly up there on the list of most despicable acts) they are US citizens who are covered by the boundaries of the US tax dollar. That doesn't make them good people. Quite frankly, I'm completely offended that they breathe my (and all other law abiding citizens) air. They are people who have proven they will not ever be of any use to our society and should have gotten death for what they did ... in the same way Navarro should have.

The problem arises when you realize that we are already an overburdened nation that is taking on way more than it can handle by openly allowing all the illegals to add to our own criminal element. Like it or not ... it is something that needs to be addressed.

No-Spin wrote on Sep 6, 2008 7:35 PM:Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:48 am Post subject: Open Letter to Governor Schwarzenegger: Veto SB 1301 and SB

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Open Letter to Governor Schwarzenegger: Veto SB 1301 and SB 60
Saturday, 06 September 2008

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger
State Capitol Building
Sacramento, CA 95814

Dear Governor Schwarzenegger:

As California continues to fall deeper and deeper into debt and begins the third month of the new fiscal year without an approved budget, one would expect state legislators from both parties to do everything possible to achieve a balanced budget, without imposing additional taxes on California citizens in these trying times.

Unfortunately, rather than working to narrow the budget deficit, some legislators are actually working on programs that would increase the deficit by authorizing foolish spending for special interests.
Specifically, the state legislature recently passed SB 1301, a reckless proposal submitted by Gilbert Cedillo (D-Los Angeles), that would, if enacted, provide financial assistance to illegal aliens for education.

Simply put, this bill would use taxpayer money to assist individuals who have no legal right to be in America, i.e., people who should be deported, rather than subsidized.

Governor, many citizens in California are in the midst of grave financial circumstances, the likes of which have not been seen since the Great Depression.

Citizens are losing their jobs and homes in record numbers, while the state of California is already sixteen billion dollars in the red.

In addition, California's schools are not performing poorly. A recent article in the Los Angeles Times reports that just 48 percent of the state's high schools are able to meet No Child Left Behind federal standards.

Clearly, the very last thing that legislators should be working to achieve is additional spending, especially when it involves funneling money to people who should not even be here to begin with.

Concerned citizens have an obligation to ask why in the world so-called public servants are concerning themselves with providing financial benefits to illegal aliens when so many American citizens are in desperate need?

That simply does not make any sense, even in the best of boom times, much less during periods of severe economic downturn.

In addition to the carnage proposed in SB 1301, Senator Cedillo has again polluted the legislative process with his annual attempt to grant driver's licenses to illegal aliens.

In 2008, Cedillo's frivolous proposal is SB 60.

Some may feel compelled to credit Senator Cedillo for his consistency in working on behalf of illegal aliens; however, Cedillo's persistent efforts to undermine the interests of American citizens is a reprehensible dereliction of his responsibility to U.S. citizens.

Accordingly, I urge you to veto both SB 60 and SB 1301 as soon as those hideous bills arrive in your office.

Californians deeply appreciate the fact that year after year you have protected we the people from the ravages of Senator Cedillo and his fondness for serving illegal aliens, a most unworthy special interest.

We are counting on your veto pen to continue the fine tradition of keeping California "Cedillo free" for another year!

Sincerely,

To Frank wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:57 PM:People who like to make fun of other people's names also like to make excuses when called on it. Calling Obama Hussein is "just like" calling George Busch "W"? Really? What's the difference, you ask? Let me see now . . . "W" versus "Hussein" . . . it seems there's a slight difference between calling Bush by his middle initial that distinguishes him from his father, and calling Obama by his never used middle name to distinguish him from . . . who again?

You chose to use Hussein because you think Obama should be "proud of his name"? Really? And you never intended to stoke the flames of racism, did you? Funny you use the term "his heritage" in reference to his name. You must have been referring to his Christian faith, or perhaps his white mother and grandparents! Yeah, that's it.

ToNo-Spin wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:06 PM:Thanks for the letter, I hope everyone makes use of it and sends it to Arnold.
Be polite, he did veto the same proposals before.
Thanks again no-spin.
Dave from Oceanside

Sick of it wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:45 PM:Great letter! We all need to send a variation of it off ASAP. Regarding California schools: There's a reason why they struggle with performance. I grew up attending Calif. schools and remember how they once were before they were inundated with English Language Learners. It used to be that such students had their own classes, but thanks to Bush's No Child Left Behind, they now have been placed in the regular classes. You would be appalled to know how many millions of state and districts' money have been spent to try to accommodate the needs of these children. People wonder why California education is in such a fiscal quagmire; well, wonder no more! As far as I can see, the only result of NCLB has been a dummying down of the curriculum as an attempt at inclusion. This means that children of our citizens are not receiving the education they need and are capable of having. The fact is that most English Language Learners are very slow to pick the language up because they speak Spanish at home, with their peers, and they listen to and watch Spanish media. A great many of them are virtually illiterate in their own language. As a culture, Hispanics who have not assimilated do not have the high regard for education that is generally held in our country, and they are more interested in their children going to work and bringing in money as soon as possible, not to mention marrying young and starting to crank out babies. Their drop out rate, therefore, is huge. California teachers who have to deal with this incredibly daunting and near impossible challenge are overwhelmed on a daily basis, and it gets worse every year. Any increase in test scores is a miracle, especially in the inner cities. I will retire within five years, but I shudder to think of where California may be in terms of education in the future, especially if we start favoring illegal aliens over our own needy students when it comes to awarding taxpayer money for higher education. We need to take action on this now. Your children's future is at stake!

UA wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:31 PM:To those replying to Frank and Frank:

While Frank is clearly trying to be divisive, his middle name is still Hussein. A fact that was covered up by the media. Where was Obama born? Anyone know?

Hysteria wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:21 AM:This is article about a brutal, horrible rape, and yet the comment section has gotten hijacked by whacked out immigration vigilantes. They're trying to use the crime to suggest that illegal immigrants are more likely to rape than other people, and I think that's bunk. We should punish rapists, and we should enforce our immigration laws, but one really doesn't have very much to do with the other. I hate to say it, but if this scumbag hadn't been living in Ms. Chavez's home, it very well could have been an American scumbag who lived there and attacked her. And the state of California would still be paying the same ridiculous amount of money to feed and house him so he doesn't do the same thing to someone else in the next for eight years. Whether or not this particular scumbag is came from Mexico or the US is completely irrelevant. The damage to Ms. Chavez is the same, and the costs to the state of California are the same.

To UA wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:54 AM:What does YOUR middle name reveal about YOUR character? His mother named him forty-seven years ago! The media never "covered up" his middle name, where do you get this stuff? Because it's not newsworthy enough to be the top story? So now we elect our president based on the derivation of his middle name? Bigots like Frank are using it to falsely link Obama to a different culture because they know UNCHRISTIAN bigots who hate anyone who's not just like them are inferior or scary.

Bigots can't even see how absurd their fears are. They don't know how to judge a person's true character, so bigots use race, name and religion to cast people as evil or untrustworthy.

By the way, Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, our 50th state. He has to be an American to run for president.

Frank wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:25 AM:But you don't disagree about Hussein's policies. Now, that is funny!

To UA wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:43 AM:You're welcome! Yeah, almost as prestigious as John McCain's private preparatory boarding school in Alexandria and later, Annapolis (graduating 894th out of 899).

It must be nice to know so many FACTS about how much better certain people are from others, merely by virtue of their culture rather than their actual actions and deeds. Kind of takes the pressure off people to act with integrity, doesn't it, since they are doomed to be lesser than other people merely by birth? Could you site the studies for us, so that we can read the evidence of proven superiority of one culture over another? Thanks!

UA wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:33 PM:Interesting you assume I like McCain. You see, I don’t. I think both of these candidates are elites and I don’t like either of them. Neither one can emphasize with the common people, because neither has had a common upbringing. Remember this, whoever gets elected will enact no change. The second the grubby lobbyists get into the White House, their campaign promises will be a thing of the past. Please don’t tell me Obama will be different. Sure, they are all different, just like Polosi and Bush. They are all the same, empty suits!!!

Don’t need to do any studies. Travel to different parts of the world and you will see inferiority. By the same token, some cultures are superior to ours. I never said ours was the best. Just that some are better than others.

To Frank wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:36 PM:If you mean Obama's policies, no I don't. Why is that funny?

And you agree with "Sidney the 3rd's" policies?

Geoff wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:33 PM:Who is Sidney the 3rd? Some liberal elitist Green party candidate?

Artsyrat wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:52 PM:This scum of the earth deserves only the death penalty. He obviously gets off on his violence and others suffering. Any amount of prison time, unless he is tortured there, is a waste of my tax dollars.

Tammy is a victim who is showing her strength. My best wishes go out to her.

To Geoff wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:13 PM:John Sidney McCain III

The GROUP WHO RAPES wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:18 PM:Hysteria - there IS an identified group of people who ARE TO BLAME FOR 97% of rapes. MEN. Rape is a MEN's issue. Men are to blame. WHITE, black, hispanic, whatever. THEY ARE "MEN." I don't hate men (popular deflection rebuttal by men dodging the reality). I just state the facts.

Hysteria wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:14 PM:To "The GROUP WHO RAPES": I'll take your word that it's 97 percent. I would have guessed 99 to 100 percent. Either way, it makes me a little uncomfortable as a man, partly because it may put me an elevated risk of deportation by some of the people on this blog.
And it's good to see someone who knows what "fact" means. UA, above, apparently doesn't. "Some cultures are better than others" is obviously not a fact because there's no way to objectively verify it. It's an opinion, and even though I happen to agree with it, I have to point it out as the type of idiocy that always seems to arise when the vigilantes get all fired up about illegal immigration.

Disclaimer: I do not hire illegal immigrants, and illegal immigration makes me angry. I just try deal with my feelings in a rational way.

Craig wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:46 PM:To To Craig Jimmy: I read my post again and I stand by it. How foolish of me to assume "to Lisa" is feeling sorry for illegal aliens because she is defending them. She cites Alaska as her evidence to the contrary. Yet the little bit of research I did about Alaska shows that they have an illegal alien problem there as well. Please forgive me for having some "animosity" towards those that would defend illegal aliens that do something as heinous as described in this article.