AlegalAlien wrote on Apr 10, 2006 9:45 AM:Many of us who immigrated here LEGALLY also traveled a long and difficult road to work for the prize of being a US Citizen. All of us came here to better our lives, work for a better future for ourselves and our children. The opportunities in the US were set up for law-obiding citizens who pay taxes and social security into a system that provides education, health care and retirement benefits. It is a slap in the face to all of us who went through the proper channels to legally become a tax paying citizen to then grant amnesty or special status to those who broke the law to steal away those benefits without contribution! I don't think Americans watching the taxes and social security deductions from their paycheck take that for granted, I think they are fed up with the quality of services (education and health care, as examples) that result from people who didn't contribute using those services for free.

Sam wrote on Apr 10, 2006 10:12 AM:Have you ever heard the statement, "Fences make good neighbors." It is a good statement and has been true since the first caveman drew a line in the dirt and said, "All the land on this side of that line is mine. I keep it clean, and free of clutter. If you want a place of your own pick one, mark it off and take care of it, and don't try to take advantage of my work and labor toward the up keep of my place." If you want me to give you something of mine, that I have earned, even if it is from being in the right place at the right time, ask for it and get in line, and follow my rules. And remember, there are people being tried through out the world for the crime of trying to take, or for taking, things that belong to others. Nobody has told anyone that they could not come to this country to become a citizen, but our legislators have laid down a set of rules, or laws, that must be followed to become a citizen of the USA so get in line. And it is the same with all other countries in this here now world. I am led to believe that Mexico has some of the more stringent immigration laws in the world, and that they have their army guarding their borders. If you are not a criminal follow the laws and rules, but if you are a criminal you will try to take what isn't yours. Yes, "Fences make good neighbors - of those who respect each other and are law abiding. I you want something of mine ask and get in line.

Sam wrote on Apr 10, 2006 10:23 AM:Have you ever heard the statement, "Fences make good neighbors." It is a good statement and has been true since the first caveman drew a line in the dirt and said, "All the land on this side of that line is mine. I keep it clean, and free of clutter. If you want a place of your own pick one, mark it off and take care of it, and don't try to take advantage of my work and labor toward the up keep of my place." If you want me to give you something of mine, that I have earned, even if it is from being in the right place at the right time, ask for it and get in line, and follow my rules. And remember, there are people being tried through out the world for the crime of trying to take, or for taking, things that belong to others. Nobody has told anyone that they could not come to this country to become a citizen, but our legislators have laid down a set of rules, or laws, that must be followed to become a citizen of the USA so get in line. And it is the same with all other countries in this here now world. I am led to believe that Mexico has some of the more stringent immigration laws in the world, and that they have their army guarding their borders. If you are not a criminal follow the laws and rules, but if you are a criminal you will try to take what isn't yours. Yes, "Fences make good neighbors - of those who respect each other and are law abiding. If you want something of mine ask and get in line.

anne wrote on Apr 10, 2006 11:30 AM:What a completely bigoted statement from Cecy. He/she insults millions of past and present immigrants of this great country. (Including my own, who worked the same type of jobs new immigrants work today.) I can't even begin to comment on such historical ignorance. I think that Cecy needs to go to one of our taxpayer funded libraries and study the contibrution of millions of immigrants over hundred's of years. Pershaps her point on no borders means we need to look at makeing changes to the XIV amendment. After all when it was ratified in 1868 travel betweeen countries was trecherous and expensive. Most immigrants were never again going to see their homeland and the families they left behind; once they arrived on these shores. Now we take for granted the travel between countries and many new immigrants come here illegally and have babies so they don't have to leave. In the mean time they go back and forth to their country of citizenship then protest on our streets flying a flag from a corrupt government. You insult every solider, and citizen that built this country, claiming new immigrants are the only people that work hard. (By the way I clean my own house, raised my own childern and mow my own lawn!)

Ray wrote on Apr 10, 2006 11:35 AM:Mr Legal alien and Mr. Sam the solution is very simple enforce the law period but you know why we don't enforce the law because the owners of Hotels, restaurants, farms, manufacturers, property maintenace companies and the politicians (Democrats or Republicans) know that economically is convenient to have them. Politicians know that if they court nationalist people like you they gain popularity but they have a double standard, in other words they need the money from bussines owners and the votes from you. Let's don't fool ourselves we need this people to move our economy wether you like it or not but I agree let's make it in an organized and selective way.

perri. wrote on Apr 10, 2006 12:37 PM:So if enough people break the law. It`s not a LAW anymore?

John wrote on Apr 10, 2006 1:46 PM:What they left behind? Who are you kidding? These Third World bums have twenty kids they can't take care of, live in cardboard boxes because they are to lazy to build something better and let their governments steal their national wealth. Mexico is possibly the wealthiest country in the Western Hemisphere. Those people need to stay home and work out their own problems instead of leaching off of us. Twelve million illegals working at jobs we don't want? We've at least that many of our own citizens on welfare and unemployment. You don't think they would work if given the chance? Put the employers who hire them in jail. I'll pick the fruit and work at McDonalds.

DFM wrote on Apr 10, 2006 2:11 PM:If one doesn't believe that God did not create borders, (as may be the case)...then Israel is not the promised land for the children of Abraham and the Old Testament and New Testament are not what you ascribe your faith from...that's fine.....perhaps your God is a cosmic muffin....I don't know, it is not mine to judge. However, countries do not have friends or enemies, they only have interests. There are those is this county who claim that it is necessary (for their interest), the have illegal migrants...I disagree. Let's leave God out of it, as there is an old saying in Mexico....so far from God, so close to the United States. One country, one people, one language, one rule of law, and God save the United States.

AlegalAlien wrote on Apr 10, 2006 2:56 PM:Well, Ray, it is Mrs. Legal Alien and I have been both a business owner and voter who does not believe I need to hire illegal aliens to keep the economy moving. My painters, carpet layers, stone & brick layers, electricians and plumbers for my properties and companies have all been citizens, paying taxes. I never believed that transferring my costs of business to the American taxpayer by paying people under the table was ethical or fair. I came here from Europe, had to be sponsored and waited 7 years through permanent residency for the right to become a tax paying American citizen and to vote. I do not believe that rewarding people who break the law to enter this country, use educational and health care services for which they have not contributed is good for the American economy. You wonder why our kids don't get a quality education? You wonder why there is an eight hour wait at the emergency room? There was no German-English bi-lingual education for me - I had to learn English fluently enough to attend schools and have a PhD to show for it. I had to purchase health insurance, car insurance and pass a driver's license test. Over half of our high school graduates don't go to college. Why? Because they can't get the jobs in the hotel, food services, trades, etc. they used to work to support themselves while earning a degree. Employers who pay anyone off the books are perpetuating the problems of failing schools and health care while ensuring the next generation of a worse standard of living. They should be fined and jailed. Guest worker progams don't work. Germany tried one with the Turks and Slavs during the `1970's. Guess what the guest workers never left the country to return home and the German taxpayer is still paying the bills for workers who never earned enough to contribute for the education, pension and health care services they use. As corporations outsource jobs to citizens of other countries to reward their shareholders and support their profits, American citizens will be vying those jobs that illegal aliens now occupy, just to survive.

gjm wrote on Apr 10, 2006 3:18 PM:I pay my taxes, car registration, health care, insurance, and all other costs of living. I can read and write English. Why should I have to put up with people who follow no laws? Politicians get a grip. We can still vote you out. There is a mix of people who would work any jobs here if paid a fair salary. You employers just want your cheap labor at any costs and the pols are catering to you. You may have the money, but we vote.

David wrote on Apr 10, 2006 6:37 PM:Cecy is correct. God did not create borders when he created our world. God had a simple rule. Do not eat the fruit of the forbidden tree. Man, as is usually the case ate the fruit in violation of God’s rule and for doing so was punished by God. I think it was because God understood that if man was to survive then man would have to be able to follow the rules or face the punishment. Since then, man has elected to divide ourselves and has elected to erect borders. Man has decided that their will be rules to follow and when the rules are broken then there shall be punishment. The first real question is what should we do about the millions of people who have entered the country in violation of our rules and regulations? What is so irritating to those of us who neither are Minutemen or carrying Mexican flags around is how outrageous each side has gotten. These people should not be simply dealt a “get out of jail free card” nor should they be burnt at the stake. The compromise our politicians came up with was a good starting point, but it wasn’t really enforceable was it? The administration and verification procedures of the compromise would have taken longer than actually applying for citizenship with our current laws; if they could have been accomplished at all. But the compromise was a good sign of what it is going to take to get the situation fairly resolved. I don’t think that there is a person in this country that can truthfully say that there isn’t a place for immigrant labor. But instead of discussing the problem as one concerning immigrant labor requirements and administration we have one side of the equation with the idea that since the Mexican’s were here first so they should just have the run of the country and do whatever they want. We all know that idea isn’t going to fly. Then we have the other side that says we have to secure our borders against terrorism and the influx of illegal aliens. That idea is certainly in the interest of national security and feasible to a point, but to what extent is it really realistic? Then we have the idea to do away with the border entirely and everyone just runs between Mexico and the U.S. anyway they want. Another idea that is too extreme to even be considered realistic. What is so irritating is that these issues are completely separate issues from that of immigrant labor; but the media and the opposing activists spend hours and hours and millions of dollars trying to convince of these issues. We all know that these people come here to make more money. I think a lot of them could care less one way or the other about becoming U.S. citizens. They simply want to make some money, get their houses in order, and go home. Others may want to bring their families here and become citizens. Both parties should have the opportunity. There are roads to citizenship. They may not be fast enough or cheap enough but they do exist. There are roads for those who simply want to come here and make a buck. They too are obviously inadequate. That is what we should be discussing concerning immigrant labor. How do we repair these roads for 2006 and beyond? The other thing that is so irritating is the “human rights” take on this. I will go out on a limb with this issue. I blame the U.S. and Mexican governments for this problem. The U.S. is to blame for not being in control of the immigrant problem and the Mexican government for pushing these people to undertake such a hazardous journey as well as their inability to govern their country. But more importantly I blame the immigrants themselves. Regardless of the reasons these people made personal decisions to embark on a journey that they full well knew to be a hazardous one. Many of them bring their families with them which I sometimes wonder why child endangerment laws do not apply here. Governments have to share the blame, but we have to remember that there is a personal responsibility issue here that also needs to be considered. I agree that all humans have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But just like God’s rule about the forbidden fruit; rules have to be followed or there will be consequences.

Peter wrote on Apr 10, 2006 8:34 PM:Where is it written where God said it was ok to break the rules? Follow the rules, and you're welcome, if you're unwilling to follow the rules, you're unwelcomed, and will never be welcomed because you will always be a lawbreaker. As a tax payer, I can no longer afford to educate your children, provide free health care, and allow you to bring down my standard of living. It's time you went home and worked hard to make it a better place. I'm certain 11 - 13 million people would make a positive impact on your government.

Roger wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:11 AM:If I wanted to live in Mexico I'd go live there. Oh wait, Mexico throws illegal aliens in jail. boo hoo

AC wrote on Apr 11, 2006 4:35 AM:Every Legal Immigrant in US history came here for a better chance, the American dream, via the same legal process available to everyone to earn an opportunity to improve the lives of their families. Now, with the invasion of the illegal aliens from Mexico, they want their crimes expunged because they came for the same reason. They are bullying America into citizenship and blackmailing us for amnesty because they have unified and shown us how strong their numbers and desire can be. If we want our borders back, put up the wall, stop the invasion, deal appropriately with the invaders and then fix the immigration system to allow higher volumes of temporary workers to help us. They sure as hell did not build America. We did and they helped! We appreciate the help but don't tell us we can't get along without you. We will be glad to take that chance if it means we can get legal immigration back on track and our identities, sorted out and immigration costs in check.

Sandy K wrote on Apr 11, 2006 6:35 AM:Why doesn't Cecy use the words "illegal aliens" instead of immigrants? Those people who cross illegally from south of the border are lawbreakers from the get go. They cross our borders illegally, they trespass on private landowners' land, they throw their trash on the ranchers' property, they get fake IDs, they use these fraudulent IDs to get jobs, they drive without driver's licenses, they drive unregistered cars, they drive without insurance, they have carloads of kids without seatbelts, they use the services that we pay for to benefit our citizens...I could go on and on. But it's all okay because they want a better life? I want a better life too but I don't lie and cheat and steal to get it.

Human Compassion wrote on Apr 11, 2006 7:31 AM:To all of you opposed to including hispanics (legal or illegal) to be a part of our community: you are all selfish ignoble hypocrites. You lash out because you feel that your financial and physical interests are threaten, but you keep your mouth shut when our president lies and continuously break the law and the constitution. For you legality is relative, it is only lawful if it suits you or benefits you or your company. You then make laws to make it illegal so to keep out others and hog the pie for yourself. You have lawyers that write in loop holes and pork while skirting the law and tax every chance you get. It is ok when you break the law or your friend or your representative, councilmen and government receive bribery but when others do it, even a minor infraction, because they are not educated enough or connected to afford legal counsel, you condemn them as criminals. If you see an abandoned brown-skinned kid or baby on the side of the road, do you just keep walking on by or do you throw the kid in prison because that is where you think all illegals belong. Where is your sense of compassion? Is your heart so callous? You are truly selfish, almost to the point of immoral. You profess in the belief of God and his divine wisdom of mercy and forgiveness. Yet you condone our military to kill and torture other human beings without a slightest sense of guilt. Yes you should feel guilty, whether by your silence or by voting for candidates that promotes war abroad to keep our economy humming along and provide jobs and financial gains for you. Deep down you know that our government is killing and lying and defrauding us, but you stand by approvingly in hopes of it tricking down and show the world that you are a tough guy. Yes you are so tough, you are willing to torture others and spy on others as long as it is not you, so to ensure your false sense of security and bravado. Shame on you and your way of thinking. You are not tough, you cower when protestors walk by or come up to you. You cower because deep down you know that you and most of your community are complicit in keeping other people and races down while quietly and through the backdoor old boys channel create loop holes to steal legally from our national coffers. You know that our military and defense industry is a major force driving our economy and you know that wars kill innocent people but you whole-heartily support pre-emptive strikes against other nations and are the only one that has used a nuclear bomb. It is ok when millions of others die, as long as it is not you. Indeed, you are cowards. You are afraid to assimilate to a world and city of increasing population and diversity. You are terrified of the day when these protestors are old enough to vote and they will outnumber you and threaten your perceived majority. You only want democracy and equality for all when it suits you. You support a government and its propaganda to give to the world its prized "democracy" while at home you make voting difficult and continually redistrict to game the system. You profess to the world that all men are created equal and that life is precious yet when it comes to others not the same color as yours then they don't deserve those rights because they are not a citizen. This is what you believe: If you are not a citizen then you are all sub-humans. You are all backwoods savages that don't deserve equal civil liberties or any other rights. Your existence is for us to use and manipulate and you should be grateful for any crumbs you might get. How dare you rise up! You would rather spend 300-500 billion dollars to fight an immoral war paying off corrupt corporations and refuse to spend a few billions here at home to provide free health care for anyone who needs it whether they are legal or illegal. If our country professes to be so great, we can at least take care of guests that might enter our homes to visit or to work. I think if any one that enters our country and learns our language to effective communicates with us, we should welcome them with open arms, they are our fellow human beings no less. Look in the mirror and try to love thy neighbor, or at least give them a chance; practice what you preach for a change, for it is coming whether you like it or not. ----- Guest worker idea threatens U.S. heritage Published on: 04/03/06 If the American people decide that 12 million illegal immigrants should be removed and sent back home, fine, we can try to do that. The process would be hard and expensive and brutally inhumane at times, and it could never be entirely successful. But if we hardened our hearts and emptied our wallets, we could probably come somewhat close to achieving that goal. Of course, banishing those millions from our borders would also mean that we would do without the labor they now provide in industries from construction to hotels and restaurants to agriculture to food processing. Some Americans — generally the most rabid and extremist among us — are ready to make that deal anyway, and there are politicians in Washington — including some from Georgia — willing to pander to that crowd, at least in theory. Others, however, are trying to find a way to retain the labor that illegal immigrants provide without offering them the right to live here permanently, let alone the right to pursue citizenship. It's an effort to solve a politically tough problem by cutting the baby in half, placating anti-immigrant fervor without denying American business the cheap, docile work force it relies upon. That is in essence the proposal championed by President Bush, who advocates "legalizing" millions of immigrants now here illegallly, but only on a temporary basis. After working several years, the temporary "guest workers" would be forced to return to their home countries to be replaced by new temporary workers. That proposal has been condemned by extremists — most of them in Bush's own party — as offering "amnesty" to those who broke the law in coming here, as if punishment were more important than solving the problem. The more serious problem with that approach is practical; it assumes that workers will return home once their legal status has expired, and that's unlikely to happen. It's also important to think about the guest worker approach in moral terms, in terms of the values that we claim to honor as Americans. Under a guest worker policy, we will let the immigrants come here by the millions, but only temporarily. We will let them mangle their hands in our poultry plants and salt our farmlands with the sweat off their brows and break their backs at our construction sites and raise our children as nannies and clean our homes as maids, all at cut-rate wages. But we will not allow them to dream — for themselves or their children — of sharing in the future they help to build here. In other words, we are willing to let them serve us but not join us; they must by law be held apart and beneath us. We will import them to serve as a perpetually rotating servant class, and we will do so even while pretending to still honor that most American of principles, "that all men are created equal." That system of second-class citizenship — far from slavery, but far from the full range of human rights as well — has precedent in American history. In colonial times, more than half of those who immigrated from Europe came here not as free people but as indentured servants. In return for the cost of passage to the New World, they agreed to be legally bound to an employer for a number of years, unable to marry without permission and with no say over where they lived or how they worked. They could even be sold to another boss. But even back then, when the period of bonded indenture ended — usually after seven years — the servant was freed and allowed to take his or her place as a full citizen. In reality, there is nothing all that complicated about drafting a practical, humane policy on illegal immigration. It would have three basic components: • Tighter border security, to cut off as much as possible the supply of illegal workers coming into this country; • Much more effective enforcement against illegal employers, to reduce as much as possible the demand for illegal workers; • A way to deal effectively and humanely with the illegal immigrants already here. Any proposed solution that does not include all three components is neither workable nor serious. But in a consideration that is just as important, any proposal that condemns millions to a permanent menial class, even while profiting from their labor, is beneath us as a country and a betrayal of all we are supposed to represent.

holden wrote on Apr 11, 2006 7:54 AM:I HAVE A DREAM...of having a million dollars, doesn't mean I am going to break into a bank to get it.

dave wrote on Apr 11, 2006 8:05 AM:Theodore Roosevelt is referring to legal immigrants in the following statement. "In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people." Theodore Roosevelt 1907

Kimball wrote on Apr 11, 2006 10:19 AM:Here is a simple solution, JAIL any employer of illigal immigrants no questions asked. Solution 2, let the police ask are you here legally? Answer no, have no papers to prove, bam JAIL, deprtation immediatly.

Kim wrote on Apr 11, 2006 10:23 AM:Here is a simple solution, JAIL any employer of illigal immigrants. Should they continue to hire illigal immigrants they offending empoyer would forfit their business for hiring and harboring illigal immigrants, simple. Solution 2, let the police ask are you here legally? Answer no, have no papers to prove it, Do not pass go, go to JAIL, deportation immediatly.

Joaquin wrote on Apr 11, 2006 10:23 AM:Instead of dancing around the issue, let's just call this current for what it is: prejudice--clear and simple. Since 1848 Mexican-AMericans have not been accepted into this country; it's been proven time and time again by the attitudes expressed by people and the action taken by the government. Case in point: critics complained that there were too many Mexican flags flown during the student protests of several weeks past. Organizers asked particpants to consider carrying the the US flag and I believe they succeeded, but what was the reaction? One caller to a radio station said it perfectly: "Yeah sure, they had the American flag, but they're still Mexicans as far as I'm concerned." Never mind that a significant (if not majority) of participants were US citizens. As far as he was concerned, a Mexican {American} could never be an American. Don't you realize that the success of these protests are a reaction to people like him. For many like him, they see no difference between a Mexican recently arrived and a "Mexican" whose family has been here five generations. Need proof? One of my students recounted how a driver accosted her in the parking lot, screaming at her, calling her dirty wetback and demanding that she "go back to Mexico" and spewing other vile garbage. Little did she know that this dirty Mexican was in fact a active Marine and her "mexican" husband was still overseas in Iraq. Luckily my student had the presence of mind not to use her training to defend herself. Not that it matters, but both Marines were born in the US. So, when does she become American? Yeah, I thought so.

Bill wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:01 AM:Apparently, someone doesn't know their bible. God did divide the people. I'm sure you must know the story about the Tower of Babel. When everyone speaks a different language, that's dividing or separating the people. That could also be a border.

AC wrote on Apr 11, 2006 12:26 PM:Joaquin and Human Compassion: Nice speeches but what planet are you on? This is about a group of people that entered the US illegally and how they want to change the immigration policies without having to go back to Mexico if the law is enforced. It is about families that should have been talking about "what if we get caught?" for years before now. It isn't about compassion, race, prejudice or any other social disease. It's about Law, Immigration rights for everyone from ALL countries and dealing with deceit, dishonesty, and theft of resources. The sad part is, several years ago, about 5 million Mexican illegals received the option of Amnesty and it apparently has set an unfortunate precedent. Now, a few years later, we have 12 million more asking the same thing. Then what, 24 million, then 48 million? Sorry, it's time to put up the wall, enforce our protection from these invasions and improve the legal crossing method for safety, speed and volume. It shouldn't exonerate those that ignored our laws. Let them practice their demands in Mexico where it will help the world in a better way!

Manny wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:08 PM:Instead of coming to the USA illegally, The Mexican people should change their own Government. The Californios rejected the Mexican government in the 1800's and voted to become a US State in 1850. More than 70% of them where of Latino descent. Mexico's own favorite son said it best: "El respeto al derecho ajeno es la paz." Loosely translated it means: "Respect of others means peace." If Mexicans would respect our rule of law, the issue would have a different twist. The way they are currently trying to bring change will only bring out the worst on both sides of the issue.

Mary wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:15 PM:Yesterday in US World & Newsreport the comment was made that the border between Mexico and the US was the border that had the highest differential interms of income. One needs to ask why out of the whole entire world this has happened. Canada grew up along the US in the same manner but why not Mexico. If we can invade Iraq for a regime change surely we can exert a bit of influence on our next door neighbor to improve things for their own people. They need to allow foreigners like me to own property outright and they need to start collecting taxes so they can improve their education system. We freezed the assets of Iraq for terrorizing their citizens, how about freezing the remittances back to Mexico until they change their property laws and change their tax laws to get better tax compliance. It could start with requiring US employers to collect Mexican taxes. I know it sounds far out, but that would help get them on the right track. Better than us sending foreign aid.

Joaquin wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:25 PM:Well, AC, I am on the planet earth. Another anecdote, if I may, that reinforces this current immigration debate as based in racism. I lived for several years in the Boston area, where I came to learn some much more about the Irish culture. Their history is not much different than that of Mexicans in that they too were unwanted and regarded as less than human and relegated to the jobs no one else would do. I also came to find that there is a large number of "illegal" Irish there, and came to learn, also in NYC. But I wondered, if there are so many "illegals" there, where is the Border Patrol? The ENTIRE time I lived I saw not one Border Patrol van, car or agent--not a one. Can you explain to me this difference in policy? Moreover, you focus on the Mexican problem, but ignore the other millions that overstayed their visas to remain in this country (millions!) but I do not hear you asking for their removal. Can you explain the difference? Doesn't the same law apply? Better yet, explain to me how a Cuban who reaches our shores is granted amnesty and legal residence, but not others. Explain to me the law? So please, when you speak of jurisprudence, you undermine your own argument, for we all know that the law is applied selectively. I acknowledge this, why don't you and just be truthful and admit your disdain has nothing to do with law and everything to do with your own prejudices. You're just human--prejudiced, but nonetheless, human.

Todd wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:26 PM:"God did not create boarders" is one of the lamest excuses I've ever heard! This excuse can be shot down on two fronts. 1) God did not create cars, planes, pencils or anything else that we might choose to use, so we should't use them. Or 2) God created man, and man created those items, so we can use them; therefore, God created man and man created boarders so they should also be used!

Tmac wrote on Apr 11, 2006 1:45 PM:Latinos have been here for hundreds of years. LEGAL Latinos. Just because legal Latinos are part of the country and history what right does that give an ILLEGAL to be here? Just because of the same skin color? To me, just that point of view should disqualify you. You don't know our history, our culture, or apparently our laws. Since its almost tax day, what would happen to a legal citizen if you didn't file your taxes? Well, $250000 fine and 5 years in prison for tax evasion. What happens to an illegal under the crazy Kennedy proposal? $1000 fine and path to citizenship. Double standard? This is social chaos. Also, if this amnesty passes, what a releif to Mexico. The U.S. staved off possible revolution from pissed off Mexicans seeking a better country.

Joaquin wrote on Apr 11, 2006 2:04 PM:To Manny: with that logic, "instead of coming to the USA illegally," the Pilgrams would have returned to England, right? They had no papers and were escaping their respective government at the time, que no? I give you props, though, you're the first person on this side of the issue to introduce history as the underpinning of your argument. Most stay away from history when discussing this topic because of the manner in which the US obtained Mexico's territory--fronitersmen encroaching Tejas; provoked war under the guise of Manifest Destiny (white superiority ruling over the wretched native masses); ceding territory under the duress of the gun (as in the case of Santa Ana and Tejas); and subsequent flagrant violations of the Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo at the offset (equal protection of civil rights, land rights, etc.). As for your assertion that Californios voted for statehood, yes you are right, but there is sooo much more than meets the eye (read: "Thrown Among Strangers" and "The Squatter and the Don" for first-hand accounts of how things were settled in this regard). Now that you've broached the topic of history, I have a question: how can a Mexican, indigenous to the Americas, be illegal? Maybe it's like when the blacks in south Africa becoming a stranger in their own land after white settlers instituted apartheid? So much for respect. . .

AC wrote on Apr 11, 2006 2:08 PM:Joaquin, you appear to be the racist. You don't belong in a conversation about non-racist issues. If you believe that finding other samples of immigration discrepancies is justification for racism and continued illegal entry by others, you need help. I can't help you. Don't say we "all" know something, I disagree with you. In English, that means you can't say "all". I shouldn't have to explain this to you but, there is NO ocean between Mexico and the US as there is between the US and Cuba. Check a map. Your diatribe may mean something to a bunch of kids or ignorants but it will never mean much to anyone of sound mind. Hope you find what you are looking for, in Mexico! This is my last post, thanks for the exchange.

Sandy K wrote on Apr 11, 2006 2:18 PM:Correction! The website for Californians for Population Stabilization is (www.capsweb.org) Sorry for the error.

Linda N. wrote on Apr 11, 2006 3:52 PM:Posted 4/11 3:49pm Cecy opines that God didn't create borders. If you are not too busy opining about God's will, try reading the Bible. I came across one that had previously eluded me in my quest to combat the arguments that national borders [& laws to respect those borders] are somehow "un-Christian". We whose hearts have been softened, sweetened, and changed are susceptible to that argument. "What would Jesus do?" is not an empty sophist's question for us. Acts 17: 26: "And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointment, and the bounds of their habitation." One blood, but many nations, the [nation's] bounds [pre]determined before appointment.

Laura MidWest wrote on Apr 11, 2006 4:01 PM:Well, the original statement claims "G-d did not create borders or devide any of us" Whoever wrote this hasn't read the Torah/Bible. Once again, I'll post the United States Title section and code on illegals: first a definition: Definition of a Criminal: “One who commits a Crime” – definition of Crime: “an act that is forbidden by law” Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who: Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact; has committed a federal crime. If you’re here illegally, you’re a criminal.

Joaquin wrote on Apr 11, 2006 4:25 PM:to AC: No need to go, I thought we were just engaging in friendly Socratic debate. What is wrong in pointing out some of the discrepanices in public policy and people's posted attitudes and prejudices on this issue? All I got from you was "hope yo find what you are looking for, in Meixco!" Why would I go to Mexico?--I was born here, my mother was born here, etc. See, you just prove my earlier point to another poster--You will never accept "Mexicans" as Americans. When you and others do, the nature of this discourse will take on a whole different, productive tone.

anne wrote on Apr 11, 2006 4:27 PM:Is it possible for any pro illegal immigrant person to make a comment without insulting (Americans won't work, we built this country etc...) or calling anyone they disagree with a racist. I suppose there is some racism out there on both sides! The following is a workable solution: 1) Secure the borders. With a wall & modern technologies. 2) Hire triple the amount of border agents, that we have now 3) Enforce the present law of employer fines (double them) Third strike you do jail time. 4) Reform and add more INS agents to get rid of the present backlog of people applying to get into the US. 5)All illegal immigrants that were brought here as children and can show a high school diploma(within 2 yrs from when they should have graduated age-wise,) can stay in this country and apply for citizenship. They must abide by the Senate requirements. Pay back taxes if applicable, a fine of $1000.00 and have no felony convictions. They can then proceed with the Naturization process. This is immediate. They can then do the standard procedure for bringing any family members here. Joining the Military as is now is also an option towards Naturalization Once we do the above, then we can start on the next bit of reform. 6) Work on getting unemployed US citizens jobs. Have mandatory time frames on finding a job. The state of NJ does a great job of this. 7) Change the tax laws so that retired seniors can re-enter the work force without penalizing their Social Security or pension benefits. The same goes for disabled individuals. Some disabled people can do particular jobs or part-time, but don't because they can not risk losing their benefits. 8) Use incarcerated prisoners to pick our fruit and vegetable. With the farmers paying the state their wage. The monies can go towards the cost of their care(ex..Delano prison in Kern county is smack dab in the middle of CA farm country.) Much better for the prisoners then sitting around playing cards, watching TV or weight lifting. 9)Devise a foolproof SS or ID card 10) Allow police officers to request proof of green cards if arrested. 11) Immediately deport all convicted illegal immigrants to their respective countries. Let them serve their time in their country. If acquitted they still must be deported if here illegally. 11) Set up a "AS NEEDED" temporary worker program. If caught past the issued date of Work visa then they can never again apply to enter this country. If after 3 yrs of doing and abiding by all laws as a Temporary worker they can apply for a green card and go to the front of the line. (This apply's to all foreign countries, with preference going to Mexico and Canada.)

Tmac wrote on Apr 11, 2006 6:04 PM:Joaquin the problem with "pointing out discrepanices in public policy and people's posted attitudes and prejudices on this issue" is that it is YOUR opinion. You broadbrush people as being racist. I have 4 Latina aunts and many cousins. Do I accept them? They are family! You are obviously intelligent, why can't you devote time to the corruption and problems of Mexico? You claim an interest in the welfare of the illegals. Don't you care that it is year 2006 and Mexico is a 3rd world country living next to the richest country in the world? Have you ever wondered how Canada has prospered as a good neighbor to us?Don't you care that there is NO middle class in Mexico? No welfare, foodstamps, or Medicare? Why can't you strive for justice in the illegals home country? Or fight for equal laws in Mexico? It is a felony in Mexico to be illegal and 2 years in prison. Come on man, get real!

BorderBrother wrote on Apr 11, 2006 7:47 PM: It all comes down to economics. We, as Americans, have been addicted to cheap labor for quite some time now. Big and small businesses alike have been turning a blind eye to the legality of some questionable employees. Its not hard to fall through the cracks. All a border-brother has to do is get past the border. Not easy to do. Once here he applies for a job at any number of places thats willing to hire a VERY hard worker that works for VERY cheap wages. Once he or she is in, no good business person would let go of such a hard working individual. And I don't buy the argument that illegal imigrants do the jobs that Americans won't do. I don't know anybody who wouldn't do hard labor for sufficient wages and benefits. ITs up to American businesses to do accurate background checks. Therin lies the problem. But the problem has now grown beyond the control of those who had it in their power to stop the influx of workers in to their beloved town. Mexicans have begun to show up where they weren't before. All of a sudden, it has become a problem. I could go on about the economic benefits of a black market labor force, but that is a discussion for another day. If anybody wants to call me on it; do it. I just think there is something counter intuitive about letting something illegal occur for decades and then all of a sudden try to turn our neighbors into felons. C/S

Flaco wrote on Apr 11, 2006 9:05 PM:To all of you..One way or another all of you or your descendants came from a different country legally or illegally and now you feel owners of the land.Come on do not be such a selfish and egotistic people and face it this country is the immigrant land of opportunity for every immigrant legal or illegal.Investigate your roots;may be some of you finished the elementary school and learn how to make a family tree look for it and you will find a surprise about yourself in your past,that you or your close or past descendant came also from a different country looking for the bread or for the money. What a bunch of ignorant,selfish and stupid you are if you do not recognize yourself and please give a favor to your god if you have one,stop praying for yourself you do not deserve to be heard!!!.

Lien wrote on Apr 11, 2006 11:40 PM:I am a naturalised US citizen. My family moved here in 1972 when I was 5 yrs old. We came on a tourist visa and were illegal for about 30 months until, through the help of immigrant advocates, we found an attorney and began the naturalization process. Today, I am a physican, my brother is a teacher and my sister is an attorney. My federal tax bill alone this year was $68000. I max out every year on social security and medicare withholdings. I doubt I will ever collect what I have put in but I don't care. It is the function of government to provide a safety net to the poor. Who wants to live like a king while your Brothers are hungry and suffering? Until 1 year ago, I drove up Pomerado Road, past Rancho Bernardo road as part of my daily commute. Every day, regardless of weather, I saw the day laborers waiting for work. Waiting in the cold with the hope of doing a days worth of back-breaking work, clearing lots, moving dirt, laying blocks, whatever. They remind me of my parents when we first arrived in New York. Lacking skills and sophistication. They couldn't game the system if they tried. But they have relentless drive and are determined to make a life , regardless of how hard it is on their bodies. And where are the US born natives? Ahh, there they are in Starbucks, stuffing their faces with scones and lattes. Very productive. Reading about "illegals" in the North County Times and ranting how they don't contribute anything but use up all the resources. If you are so concerned about resources, stay at home, turn on Foxnews, keep your SUV in the garage and make your own coffee. The men waiting roadside have come hundreds and thousand of miles from Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, etc. I see them occasionally in my practice. One man transports Port-A-Potties for a living. One landed on his foot and crushed it. Another was spraying stucco when the hose burst, causing him to be blind in one eye. They have already overcome odds beyond the comprehension of the average American online keyboard jockey. You will not stop them. Nor will any fences, laws, or yahoos sitting on beach chairs with binoculars and radios. Would you have the courage to do what they did? Leave everything you know, your language, family, familiar foods, and customs only for a chance, not a promise, for a better life.

Lien wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:01 AM:Reading my post, I may prefer Mexican neighbors to the typical US-born Lou Dobbs watching idiot. Maybe I'll move down there after I retire. For now I love my life in California with All of it's foreign born residents. And I am a US citizen so I will not move anytime soon. Suggestion for all xenophobes. Why not move to some all-white podunk like Idaho or Iowa? There you can enjoy all your oatmeal, meatloaf and wonder bread with you US citizen buddies. Simultaneously you can contribute to the greater good of the nation by reducing traffic and housing prices in SoCal. I'll stay in California with my brown brothers to enjoy pho, kalbi, fish tacos and carnitas.

Lien wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:16 AM:I take back my aspersion to meatloaf. I acually like the stuff. Yummy with lots of Theresa Heinz Ketchup.

Sick and Tired wrote on Apr 12, 2006 12:54 AM:Under the United States Code, entering the United States without examination and permission of the US authorities is a criminal offense punishable by 6 months in prison and a fine of several hundred dollars for the first offense and two years in prison and another small fine for the second offense. I say catch the law breakers, take their photos, fingerprints and DNA then jail them for the maximum sentence every single time, then deport them. Build the biggest fence possible and post signs on it every 100 feet telling lawbreakers in Spanish that if they cross the border illegally, they can expect to be put in jail for the maximum sentence and then actually DO IT! Tell them also that if they cross the border illegally they will NEVER be eligible for citizenship or even a green card and that no child they have on US soil will EVER be allowed to become a US citizen. Our Federal government is failing to enforce our own laws--of course there's a flood of illegals coming over the border. Instead of punishing people who break our laWS, we educate their children, give them work, they get WIC and foodstamps and Social Security benefits, subsidized medical and dental care, subsidized housing, and amnesty and citizenship for their children born here. Is it any wonder they're coming here by the thousands every day? Whern the Federal government decides to do its job and enforce our borders andf hold accountable the peole who break our laws it will stop. Novel concept huh?

Gordo wrote on Apr 12, 2006 3:51 AM:Flaco; Your attitude is what worries real Americans. Most of us complaining about Illegal Aliens already know that we are all from Immigrant backgrounds unless we are Native Americans. Our ancestors came through legal channels to get here once the process was established. This is not the issue at hand. You see, this is about today, not yesterday. We have laws and rules about people who invite themselves to take what they haven't been offered. It is not up to the people from other countries to decide whether they can share in our accomplishments without our consent. America exists because of social order and common dreams. These illegal aliens have the dreams but don't care about the laws that protect them. Our freedom, our laws, and our land will be protected. If you have a problem with this, you are the problem.

Hanna wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:17 AM:god did not make borders. do you think god would say to an immigrant " you can't live here" no he would welcome them with open arms. people these days think they own the lands but no we're just borrowing it from god for a little while. for all the americans, how would you feel if you were born in a poor country and wanted to move to america and you couldn't. its alot easier for us to move to any country we want. Americas are selfish, i'm ashamed to be an american. i was pround because of all the nice things i thought america did but not anymore. and Flaco is right we all no matter who you are, are desendents from another country, europeans stole this country from native americans. if anyone should be the only ones here it should be them. and do you know how hard it is to sneak across the border, you have to cross a dessert walking people die from doing it and the goverment wants to throw that away. people die trying to get here

DAVE wrote on Apr 12, 2006 6:52 AM:senator@boxer.senate.gov senator@feinstein.senate.gov HERE IS THE E-MAIL ADDRESS TO YOU SENATORS. I YOU GET A CHANCE E-MAIL THEM THIS MESSAGE ON ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. As a concerned CITIZEN, I am outraged that the Senate is even considering granting any form of amnesty to illegal aliens. I am calling on you to oppose any bill that includes a guest worker or amnesty plan for illegal aliens or otherwise rewards illegal immigrants with legal status or privileges. Also, I want Congress to take immediate action to Secure Our Borders. This should be a top national security priority -- we must stop the illegal invasion into our country. I am also disturbed that members of Congress are being swayed by the protests in the streets of our cities and town demanding "rights" for illegal aliens. Congress should not be swayed by illegal aliens demanding "rights" that they do not have and do not deserve. These protesters say they will "march" today and "vote" tomorrow. I am a CITIZEN who voted yesterday and will vote tomorrow! I will be watching your vote on amnesty and will express my vote accordingly

Kerry wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:25 AM:Use the organization NumbersUSA to write and visit your representative. It is much easier and more organized. As far as God not wanting borders, remember that Mexico is a Catholic country. The leaders are obligated by their faith to look out for ALL of their people. They use their free will to choose evil. We must have borders to protect our country and to allow others in an orderly fashion to come and make their lives better. Shame on those who use racism and religion to guilt American citizens into not protecting their border and not demanding it from our elected officials.

Tmac wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:31 AM:Hannah you are ashamed to be American. Yet millions of illegals want to be American. Doesn't that tell you something? Have ever been to another country? Have you ever been oppressed? No, you have been given every opportunity, clean water, full grocery stores, nice streets, and you are ungratefull. I would trade you for an honest illegal anyday. They understand what we have here. I still maintain though that the problem is MEXICO! Why are they a 3rd world country? Why are they corrupt? If there was opportunity they wouldn't have to cross deserts or leave their families. Why no social services? Why are the people not protesting and demanding the government to do something in Mexico? Where is the pride? Where is the revolution?

Billy Jack wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:34 AM:Senators Boxer and Feinstein are going to sell the middle class out. Both come from wealth and have little if any contact with the problems associated with 12 million illegal aliens in this country. Crowded and closing emergency rooms. Overcrowded jails. Unlicensed and uninsured motorists. Competition for trade jobs forcing American contractors to either hire tham as subs or not get the job do to the competitions ability to low bid. They bring their own unique crimes and lifestyles with them. After having disregarded US law to enter the country, how can you expect them to comply with any law? The kill our police officers and then flee to Mexico. (Recent cases in California and Colorado)The greater question is what kind of signal are we sending by offering amnesty to 12 million illegals? We will be opening the floodgates as we did in 1986, after the first amnesty. Then there were 3-4 million illegals. Now there are 12 million. How many will we have to deal with in the next "Amnesty" 20 years from now? America was founded as a nation of laws, not a nation of men. All laws must be enforced. Let enforce the sanctions against employers. The law provides for a $10,000 fine per occurance.

RWC wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:36 AM:Read God's Word, the Bible, and you will see that yest God did create borders. He gave Israel definite borders. Try going to Mexico and expect them to give you free education for your kids, medical services, jobs without paying taxes, etc. etc. etc. No where in the world would you succeed trying such nonsense except in the USA. Yes, America is built on immigration. But the majority are here legally. They learned English, took courses to learn our government and history that has made the USA a properous country, and then legally became citizens. Yes, we need immigrants. We need legal immigrants not criminals!"

An American wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:38 AM:Why is someone racist or anti immigration simply for supporting the enforcement of existing laws? Why is someone racist or anti immigration simply because they view a breaker of US Laws a criminal? Why is someone racist or anti immigration simply for using the term “illegal” to refer to all the people in the United States that are here in violation of immigration laws. I am tired of having to obey all the laws, tax law, vehicle code and traffic law, sales tax, business tax, noise ordnances, litter and all the rest. But if I choose to disobey these laws I am a criminal, arrested, tried and perhaps convicted then punished. Why then, if it is demanded that people found to be in the US in contravention of immigration laws be treated equally under the constitution, are they not also branded criminals, arrested, tried and perhaps convicted and punished? Why are there groups and politicians who ask, no demand that these criminals be held to a lesser standard and not be arrested and tried for their law breaking? Are they more equal than I and others that already have established our right to be US Citizens, either by birthright or by process of law? Does not their flaunting of immigration law cheapen every one of us who followed the laws in order to gain permission to reside in the US and then in a public ceremony be allowed to forswear allegiance to their country of origin and swear allegiance to the United States of America? If you are here by result of birth, than a parent, grandparent, great grandparent or other ancestor made such a solemn declaration of allegiance whose worth is lessened by today’s special treatment of immigration lawbreakers. Regardless of the time that family arrived on these shores, they reside on sacred ground, made so by the blood of countless citizens who counted their lives less than the right to freedom of their fellows and children. Many of those same choose to keep Americas doors open so all who crave freedom would have a haven to come to, and to keep those doors open fair minded laws were enacted to ensure equal, universal but not unlimited access to America for all mankind. To choose to not enforce those laws, to choose to circumvent those laws for anyone is to place no value on the gift given us by the sacrifice of those that provided and maintain this democracy for all of us. Citizens and legal residents also make a commitment to maintain this democracy, in the form of taxes of all kinds, enfranchisement, jury duty, community and others, that non citizens and non legal residents are unable to participate in. This in turn causes non legal residents to become dependants on legal residents and citizens, via their use of public services that they do not support. Lastly if we are to value the rights of non citizens greater than citizens, we cheapen the very thing that these non citizens desire, until there is little reason to become a citizen. With freedom comes responsibility, responsibility to preserve, protect and defend that freedom and responsibility to welcome others into that freedom, while teaching them the way to preserve, protect and defend freedom.

Kerry wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:59 AM:We need to figure out if the organizers of the recent protest indeed paid for the school buses they used to bus people, or if the school districts lent them for free! NO WAY should our tax dollars go for that too!

anne wrote on Apr 12, 2006 9:44 AM:Instead of all the gripping. Did anyone read my post yesterday, 4/11 @ 4:27pm with 11 suggestions on WHAT TO DO! We need to start somewhere addressing this issue. What do you think. What are your solutions

SWR wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:10 AM:Here's the problem: fences, tight security, threats of deportation will NEVER be strong enough to defeat what the Mexican illegals want: AMERICAN MONEY! If the federal government had some stand up people maybe they'd finally pass a law that makes us money...if people want to make money here, then let them...just make them pay like the rest of us.

anne wrote on Apr 12, 2006 11:25 AM:This is in response to Lien: # 1)As a physician I am surprised by your response, because all the doctors I know are greatly concerned about the strain on our hospitals providing services to uninsured legal citizens, let alone people that have entered this country illegally. #2) As noted from my 1st and 2nd post I think you need to go back and take a history course on the contribution immigrants from “ALL,” over the world have made to this great country. Americans are the hardest working people in the world. #3) Millions of Americans do the same jobs that illegal immigrants do. As a matter of fact only 14% of construction work is done by illegal immigrants and that is predominantly in the Southwest and (NY & Miami in the East) Would you say those individuals don’t work hard. Look I do agree there is hypocrisy concerning everyone wanting cheap goods & services through the hiring of illegal workers, but I hope we can all agree that the immigration policy that we have now; which amounts to no policy, (no enforcement) is broke. What did you think of my 4/11/ 06 4:27 pm post idea’s? What are your suggestions?

Kerry wrote on Apr 12, 2006 3:32 PM:Solutions:Use the National Guard to back up the Border Patrol while we build walls or fences in the areas that make sense. Use technology and virtual fences in other places. Enforce the interior and deport when someone is caught. Fine employers heavily the first two times, and then jail. Make companies PROVE they need workers. Make a system for citizens to report companies in violation and offer rewards. Deny benefits to non-citizens and stop birth right citizenship. After all of that, then you can begin to see what can be done with everyone all ready here, and implement a guest worker program as needed. All of this the government CAN do, but are afraid to be called racist. We cannot tolerate being PC anymore. Congress owes it to the American people to enforce our laws. They aren't supposed to put our needs below the wants of business, non-citizens, and people with socialist and ethnic separation agendas.

esteban wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:16 PM:C'mon Sam, did the cave men REALLY say that? I thought they just nodded and grunted. I hope I wasn't profiling.

DSQRD wrote on Apr 12, 2006 4:17 PM:Here's another angle on the disscussion.In Europe and the Mid-East people of different cultures and ethnicities have to live as neighbors. Some have more than two adjacent countries. Are we, here in the land of the free, going to be able to show the world how to resolve differences? I feel all this dialog is great and important for democracy and we should be thankful we have the right to speak out. Keep in mind,we should think things through and consider the consequences of ideas based on less than ethical or moral thoughts.

Gordo wrote on Apr 12, 2006 7:20 PM:DSQRD, (does that mean discard?) In Europe and the Mid-East, bordering countries generally have similar economies, small Countries about the size of our states, and in Europe, a common currency. You should think things through and consider the consequences of confusion before you blindly relate them to ethical or moral thoughts. Enough philosophy, that is why we have the problem. Too much talk, too many goodie two shoes attitudes and nobody doing anything to fix the problem. National Guard, US Military, get the wall up, deport those who shouldn't be here, fix the immigration system to allow more of them to work LEGALLY, or in 10 years it will be another 20 million. And, we will have to listen to all the flaming philosophers again!

Irish-Frenchchick wrote on Apr 12, 2006 8:54 PM:God did make borders. It's called law and order. Romans 13: ""Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities, for there is not authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore, whoever resists the authority resists God and brings judgment on themselves..." Also, Ecclesiatics 8:11: "When breaking the law goes unpunished, the people feel it is safe to do wrong." So C'mon guys and gals! Wake up. Don't give us that malarky about God not having borders. If the law of the land has a border, you obey the law and obey God. Alas, the bible says sin is lawlessness and lawlessness is sin. That's all folks.

DSQRD wrote on Apr 13, 2006 1:32 AM:Gordo, Fixing the immigration laws in a moral and ethical way is the right thing to do. I read on another site that there is a lot of unemployment in Mexico because American farmers have exported so much corn that hundreds of Mexican farms are out of business. Apparently someone didn't think it through when they ruined a portion of the Mexican job market. Every effect has a cause, it seems big business has no concern about the effects only the bottom line.

One People wrote on Apr 13, 2006 6:18 AM:People talk as though the "problem" of illegal immigration can be fixed, claiming this or that policy can fix or "reform" the situation. They lay blame because the "problem" isn't fixed. These assumptions are incorrect. The source of the problem has nothing to do with U.S. immigration policies or failures of policy. The source of the problem is that a poor country shares a long border with a rich country. Under these circumstances, people will flow toward money like water flows downhill. You can't stop it. It's a law of nature. The only solution is a Marshall Plan for Mexico. Help them build their economy so the Mexican people won't be forced to leave their beautiful homeland in order to feed their families. Then we can all move on to more important issues - together.

Gordo wrote on Apr 13, 2006 7:04 AM:DSQRD/One People: Fixing the immigration policies is imperative, moral and ethical values should be included in the equation, not the guiding factor. We must TRY and fix the inflow of illegals until Mexico does improve its own economic outlook. This is something we can control, Mexicos policies we cannot. They seem to have little interest in managing the outflow, probably because the 12 million are sending about 35 Billion dollars back to their homeland every year. If we could cut the exported dollars in half (reduce the illegals by half), it might help motivate them to make some improvements south of our border. I guarantee that if we do nothing, they will do nothing.

MexicanAmericanDaughter wrote on Apr 13, 2006 10:53 AM:Will you people quit bringing up the GOD DID NOT CREATE BORDERS deal? Enough about it. The topic continues to move, and you yuppies keep bringing it up! All right. We get it. there. Let's move on. Illegal immigrants aren't going anywhere. Anti-immigrant citizens are going to keep on stating that it's the law...the law...the law. Okay. we get it. it's not being followed. So what then? If you put up a border, they're going to find a way to get over here. You had hundreds, maybe thousands, of people sitting on their lawn chairs--binoculars hanging from their neck, gun in the right hand and the beer in the left. From the day they started their