ESCONDIDO: City may exempt some families from parking ordinance
City Council will discuss first draft on Wednesday
By DAVID GARRICK - Staff Writer | ∞
Brenda Show and her daughter Emily Rose Warfield, 12, wonder where they will park their cars if the city of Escondido approves overnight parking restrictions. (Photo by Waldo Nilo - staff photographer) ESCONDIDO ---- Exemptions may be coming for some residents concerned that an overnight parking ordinance proposed for central Escondido would make their lives miserable.
City officials are saying that families with special circumstances might be given extra permits for on-street parking beyond the two permits that will be mailed to each home.
Prime candidates for extra permits are families living in older homes with no garages or no driveways where they can park, city planning chief Jon Brindle said. But extra permits might also go to families with multiple teen drivers and those facing other unusual circumstances, he said.
Brindle said he will outline several possible "hardship exemptions" when he presents a first draft of the ordinance to the City Council on Wednesday. The council must decide which kinds of exemptions to allow, how residents should apply for extra permits and what kind of appeals process to establish, he said.
The notion of exemptions is unpopular with the City Council members who have touted the ordinance as a way to clear Escondido's streets of what they perceive as an overcrowding problem. But those council members ---- Marie Waldron, Sam Abed, Ed Gallo and Dick Daniels ---- have conceded that exemptions would be appropriate in some cases.
"Piling in a lot of exemptions will just dilute this down to nothing," Waldron said last week. "We have to carefully create guidelines for any exemptions, and they must be very limited."
Council members and opponents also have warned that a complicated exemption process could turn the permits into a bureaucratic nightmare, with thousands of families flooding City Hall to request exemptions. Some critics have also suggested that the exemptions are an attempt to soften public outcry against the ordinance.
Since it was proposed in early 2007, the ordinance has been divisive within the community.
Supporters have said it would combat overcrowding and make it easier for residents in many neighborhoods to park in front of their homes. But opponents have argued that it's an attack on poor Latino families who live together in single-family homes to save money.
The ordinance was proposed by Waldron shortly after a rental ban targeting illegal immigrants was overturned by the courts.
Other critics, including Mayor Lori Holt Pfeiler and the Escondido Chamber of Citizens, say the restrictions are unnecessary because the city's parking problems have been exaggerated.
But a majority of the council has expressed strong support for the ordinance, saying that overcrowding is a crucial problem facing the city.
The parking restrictions would apply to a 7-square-mile zone bordered by Rincon Road, Felicita Avenue, Bear Valley Parkway and Interstate 15. Residents would be mailed two permits allowing vehicles to be parked on the street between 2 and 5 a.m. Any cars without permits parked during those hours would be ticketed.
No driveway, no garage
The 800-home Old Escondido neighborhood south of downtown features many homes that could be eligible for exemptions, because about half of them lack either a driveway or full-size garage.
Resident Brenda Show said last week that she might have to move from her rental home at Grape Street and Fifth Avenue if the ordinance is adopted without some exemptions.
"I have a garage, but it would only fit half a small Volkswagen," said Show, explaining that she and her husband have three cars because his employer provides him an extra vehicle. "If this is passed, I don't think we'll be able to rent there anymore."
Carol Rea, president of the Old Escondido neighborhood association, said she has received similar complaints from many of her neighbors.
"Some residents here have garages that were built 80 years ago, and they are not large enough for a modern car," said Rea. "We also tend to have smaller homes, so most residents use their garage as storage space."
Rea also criticized a city plan to allow residents to create an extra parking spot by paving an area next to their driveway. She said the proposal could sacrifice the historical authenticity of some homes in the area.
Waldron and the rest of the council majority have expressed sympathy for Old Escondido.
"Old Escondido is an infrastructure problem, and no one is going to be punished for that," she said.
But Brindle explained that the solution might be complicated by the fact that homes in Old Escondido were built on relatively small lots, meaning there is less curb space per home than in other parts of the city. Less curb space means it could be ill-advised to issue hundreds of extra on-street parking permits for the area.
The problem of smaller lots also exists in the late-1950s subdivision known as "the flower streets," that includes Fern, Daisy, Camellia and Begonia streets.
Allowing extra permits in older neighborhoods could force overcrowding problems to spill into adjacent neighborhoods, said Brindle.
Other circumstances
Brindle said he also will suggest the council consider exemptions for families with multiple drivers and other unusual situations, such as bed-and-breakfast inns and residential medical care facilities.
"We'll be presenting a process for issuing additional permits, but the intent is not to make it so permissive that the ordinance has no effect," said Brindle, explaining that he has studied the exemptions allowed by other cities with overnight parking restrictions.
Councilman Abed said he is confident city officials can distinguish between families with multiple drivers in high school and college from instances in which multiple families are sharing a home that was built for one family.
"Our goal is not to punish ordinary families with many children who drive," said Abed. "The goal is to stop the abuses of five or six families living in a house with 10 or 12 cars."
Brindle said other possibilities exist for exemptions, but that city officials will not try to anticipate every possible scenario.
That is why the council also must decide how to handle special requests and appeals, he said.
Daniels said he wants city employees to handle as much of the work as possible.
"Some of these things will have to be handled on a case-by-case basis, and (the) staff is already entrusted with a lot of this type of decision-making," he said. "I don't want to see the council bogged down by appeals."
But Pfeiler predicted that the exemptions and appeals will be extremely troublesome for staff.
"How do you tell the difference when one person comes in with one story and then another has another story?" she asked.
Lisa Prazeau, an activist who wrote a biting, 20-page critique of the proposed ordinance this summer, said the exemptions are evidence that the council majority is desperate.
"I think they're just grasping at anything in order to pass this," said Prazeau.
But Daniels said the exemptions are about being fair.
"We recognize there are some unusual situations out there," said Daniels. "So we know it's crucial to be flexible."
Contact staff writer David Garrick at (760) 740-5468 or dgarrick@nctimes.com.
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Accurate Quote wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:06 PM:If the statement attributed to Abed is accurate, it's a rather obvious admission that the ordinance is targeted at certain "kinds" of residents and not targeted at "approved" kinds of residents, even though both are creating the exact same parking impacts. He's pretty much handed those who want to litigate the ordinance on civil rights grounds all the evidence they need.
Puzzled wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:18 PM:Why don't they issue the parking permits only if a licensed driver actually lives at a residence? Just coordinate with the DMV to mail out the permits. If someone wants an exemption for extra drivers, check for driver's licenses. There's absolutely no reason to require a parking permit if one doesn't have a valid license.
Escondido Resident wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:22 PM:The parking ordinance will be worthless if we start making exceptions for everyone who it inconveniences. The reality is that this ordinance is designed specifically to inconvenience families. That is the entire point of it!
If you don't like it, get the entire idea changed, and work to solve the real problem, which is poverty in our community. Take on a specific issue in the community, for example, education, and take on three activities to promote that issue:
1. Become involved at your kids' schools.
2. Promote a culture of school based fiscal and academic responsibility by voting no on the High School Bond (proposition T)
3. Assist the Elementary and High School Districts in developing a vision for the future which will really benefit the students of Escondido.
To accurate quote wrote on Sep 6, 2008 8:59 PM:You are missing the point. I don't know many single families (although I am sure a few exist... very large families) that would have 10-12 cars parked in front of their house. Having 10-12 cars parked in front of your house usually implies that multiple families are living in one house. Our city's infastructure was not made to handle that many people in one residence. A single family home is designed for just that... a single family (immediate family... not cousins, friends, aunts, uncles, etc.). You obviously do not live in neighborhoods impacted by multiple families living in one house. The noise these homes create, the parking problem, the trash problems, etc. are very real and affecting my neighborhood greatly. This is not a race issue. It is a quality of life issue.
Puzzled No Parking Permits wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:02 PM:I like puzzled's comment (but I'm sure it's another hurdle working with the DMV etc.,)
I live in Old Escondido and I believe the ordinance will fail. People without permits will just park in alley's (blocking trash pickup), on yards, etc., Lame politically motivated idea that will waste money and accomplish nada.
To Accurate Quote wrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:09 PM:Abed was clear in his quote. It is about the level of overcrowding not about who is doing it, one family vs. 4 families, 2 cars on the street vs. 10 cars, You sound like ACLU
Busy City Attorney wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:01 PM:Daniels said he wants city employees to handle as much of the work as possible.
Epp will handle plenty of it, while trying to defend another one of his brilliant ideas that the Council buys into.
Enough already. Enforce the laws we already have.
Deeper and Deeper wrote on Sep 6, 2008 10:02 PM:Abed just keeps on digging himself deeper and deeper into a pit of muck.
Nice Quote Abed - we can use that. Thanks.
lioneltrains wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:38 PM:How about a new council majority and a new city attorney? Isn't it about time?
Local wrote on Sep 7, 2008 4:25 AM:There has to be a better way to do this. It is obvious where the parking abuses are and why. I guess we have no alternative but to obfuscate and dance around the real issues. My own neighborhood could be the poster child for this issue. Could...but won't due to political correctness.
Joseph wrote on Sep 7, 2008 5:46 AM:If Escondido want to give lawn parking tickets let them start with the junk metal sculptures the city has dumped on the lawn of Grape Day Park.It is correct for the city to exempt some families frpm the parking ordinance.I seldom work, and my nephew joined the army so I have extra cars. I need extra parking which I can easily find on my big front lawn. To me it is art, and I am proud to reside in a museum where my fine rides are displayed on my "private property."
Pablo wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:44 AM:The city should not be mailing out parking permits to every residence to park anywhere they please within 1,000 feet of their residence as staff suggests. If they want to say each single family home is eligible to purchase one or two permits to park in front of their residence, for an amount that covers all costs for the process, that is one thing. Mailing out 50,000 unsolicited, in many cases unwanted, parking permits allowing anybody to park virtually anyplace they want is ridiculous, detrimental to neighborhoods, and a waste of taxpayer's money. All the costs involved for a permit to be issued to an individual for the use of that individual should be paid for by that individual not the rest of us. Require the applicant to apply in person and allow a clerk to confirm the applicant for a permit actually resides where he says he does. That is pretty much what Marie Waldron has said from the beginning. Maybe now two others will realize she is right and will support her. If a hardship situation exists, an application should be filed listing the circumstances. Those circumstances should be verified before any on-street parking permit is issued to any resident/residence. That is how other cities do it.
Bill wrote on Sep 7, 2008 7:53 AM:As soon as you start handing out exemptions, you will have people calling foul and suing the city, the ACLU showing up and none of this will work.
Does the city have any clue as too how many garages are now living quarters, converted without permits? What does the planning and zoning department do around here? Look at any real estate ads and you'll see...houses with living quarters and no permits.
Is the city aware that there are many families living in the same house? You have 3 or 4 families, living in a one family dwelling, it's going to cause parking problems...along with many more...as we are all seeing.
Why doesn't the city just take the bull by the horns and do what they know needs to be done. Do they have any idea of how many problems that would take care of?
OBVIOUSLY...the federal government isn't going to do anything about his! Grow a backbone and stand up for yourself and the people you work for!!
Pluto wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:09 AM:I don't think it will be a bureaucratic nightmare for Escondido to decide who gets exemptions and who doesn't - do they have a Latino name?
Vader wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 AM:Will the troika ever get it? Maybe some changes in November will speed up their learning curve.
Esc - Real Problem wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:52 AM:The MAYOR and the City Council needs to take care of the real problem! Start to control the overcrowding by limiting the number of families in a single family home, in turn that eliminates the need for parking permits. I read of Sam, Marie and Ed always working hard on immigration issues and I continually read remarks in articles that the mayor sees no problems and sits on the sidelines looking pretty. She is a very weak mayor and makes no efforts toward any immigration problems. What a shame! Go active council members!
Eyes Wide Open wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:53 AM:Old Escondido is an old neighborhood where nearly every house has designed access from a wide alley in the back. Nearly every house has parking spaces and garages that access that alley. Of course if legitimate hardships exist they have to be dealt with fairly, but, ninety percent of Old Escondido homes do not have a legitimate off street parking deficiency. Charge a fee for all on street parking permits. Charge an additional fee for hardship applications, refundable only to those who actually qualify, and just watch how all the so-called need for parking on the street goes away. Go for it council, we are depending on you to save our city.
Tired of this... wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:14 AM:Is Sam Abed really that clueless that he thinks poor families shacking up together have 10-12 cars? This just shows how out of touch he really is with our community. This ordinance is not going to make people move. It is going to make people head out of the house at 2am instead of 5am to spend 3 hours in coffee shops or on the side of the road.
Frustrated wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:18 AM:If I didn't own a home and business in this community I would move because I am so tired of the city wasting our money on pointless attacks. It is the responsibility of the landlord to rent homes to a reasonable number of people and if they cannot handle the responsibility they shouldn't be landlords. These four council members should be focusing on the incredible negative image they have created for our city and how it is hurting the business community.
Why dont we wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:19 AM:just let code enforcement do its job? They must go into these neighborhoods and INSPECT. Are garages converted illegally into living spaces? Are single family homes being used to house MULTIPLE families? If indeed this is what's happening, then these people are breaking existing laws and the city has every right to enforce them. The question is, do they have the spine for it?
Excuse me wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:43 AM:But aren't we in the middle of climate change? What are these families doing with multiple cars to create more destruction of the air we breathe? Park ALL CARS NOW! GO GREEN, GO GORE!!!!
Connie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:16 AM:Yes, Waldron is right "Piling in a lot of exemptions will just dilute this down to nothing," Just keep it simple for old Marie, White people can get as many parking permits as they want and those brown people who we all know are illegal immigrants can get the cars towed away. Simple! If Waldron will get the ovaries to tell the truth behind the reason for this parking ordinance, which she won't but Marie, I can read between the lines.
Hey Puzzled wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:21 AM:If they involve the DMV with misguided ordinance, guess who will pay the price for this ingenious idea? You and I who do not live in this cesspool of a City!! Our vehicle registration fees will increase to cover the additional work caused by this ridiculous parking ordinance. The City Council members involved in this should be voted out of office. It seems they are always thinking up ways to waste taxpayers money on lawsuits. Geez what is going on in that City? Is anyone with commonsense running the place?
Get Real wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:25 AM:The real question, one that hasn't been asked publicly yet, is how many of the council members supporting this ordinance live in the area that will be affected by it?
Thousands of people who are not creating or dealing with parking issues will be inconvenienced by this effort and everyone in the city will be paying for it as funds sorely needed in other areas at this time will be diverted to installing signs, mailing out permits, and patrolling streets for illegally parked cars.
Sam Abed is not seeing red wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:26 AM:Just because Sam Abed says there are 10 to 12 cars parked outside of a residence does not make it true. Holy cow I thought this issue was dead when their own parking experts said in their report "there is not parking problem in Escondido". So Sam Abed is lying or misinformed either way he is a disgrace to the office he holds, the people he serves, and the City he represents. I think Sam Abed is seeing brown and because of that he is okay with wasting our tax dollars. Put a stop to this madness.
EPiC wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:16 AM:simple solution: make EVERYONE get a permit to park, and you must be here legally to obtain one. simple. just try to keep it from the ACLU, or they'll get their dirty little hands invloved.
Thanks City Council wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:22 AM:We need this ordinance. Our infrastructure can't handle 5 families to a house. Schools, police, fire, and hospitals suffer because a disproportionately low property tax is collected from these families. If you must, look at it as "stealing" these services from those who pay their fair share.
To Deeper and Deeper wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:25 AM:Instead of using (and probably misquoting) Abed's remarks to get yourself elected, why don't you do something to help with the solution? It's obvious that having you on the city council won't help. Why don't you use your name so we know who NOT to vote for?
Idea wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:35 AM:Issue parking permits for two qualifications. United States citizen. And the property owner. Limit two.
P wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:43 AM:I went out early this morning and counted the cars at my neighbors house where a bizillion people live. There were 3 in their driveway and 5 on the street. You should see it when they have a birthday party!
Mr.ED wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:50 AM:Im applauding all the parking ban haters!!!! Nice to know others see thru this bs.
Goodbye Abed Gallo NOV 2008
GAG
BIG Gas Pains wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:54 AM:answer me this...
In Las Vegas you MUST registar with the Police Department to legally work in their city. EVERYONE has a Police Card.
So why can't this be done here?
Senior citizen wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:04 PM:What a waste of money! Why should I have to have special parking permits to park in front of my house. Why should I have to get special permits when family members are visiting from out of town. This council needs to stop dividing the community with these racist tactics. If the council feels they need to spend money to benefit the community and neghborhoods then fix all the street pot holes. Clean up and paint the building facilities at the art center. Clean up those empty developer lots now growing weeds and fast becoming fire hazards, check out the lot behind the condos on 2nd and Orange. Just please enforce the codes already in place. Escondido cannot afford to spend more money in court defending a parking ordinance.
Deanna wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:18 PM:Why not "enforce" the city codes and ordinance, especially housing... and that will eliminate the parking problem.
I too, like puzzled comments.
Alley parking wrote on Sep 7, 2008 12:38 PM:Good point about the alley parking problem... we already have a HUGE problem with MANY cars parked in the alley, and all the many prblems that come along with it, trash, broken glass, drunks. This will just make it worse. Every time I post a no parking sign on our alley fence, it disappears w/in 2 days. One guy is running a very popular mechanic's shop out of a rented garage in our residential alley. Behind 8th ave at Escondido Blvd. I really wish CODE ENFORCEMENT would get on that.
To Connie wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:02 PM:You must not live in the center core of the city because making a race issue out of this is clearly ignorance. Waldron is RIGHT. She wants an effective ordinance like cities all over the country have already in place (well over 30 right here in California).
Since you Connie, clearly believe that illegals or hispanics are the target, then you must equally believe that those are the people living as multiple families in a house. Why don't you expose your own prejudice? Or get over it and realize that the city has every right to enforce parking on its streets. And that is the TRUTH.
To Pablo wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:03 PM:Pablo "you" are not paying for anything. You live in the county. If "you" didn't have your tongue in our councilmembers ears, WE (that's us residents) probably wouldn't have such an issue. Can't wait to park in your county neighborhood - you know the unrestricted area.
To To Deeper and Deeper wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:11 PM:Sorry Charlie. You are wrong. Not who you think I am. I'm not running for office.
BUT, I am doing something!! What are you doing?
Duh. Go back and read my comments. Did I quote Abed? No. I said "nice quote, Abed" - that's what I said. Duh.
p.s. Did you see the little flashing Vote for Abed advertisement? Now, that is a huge joke. Abed talks about INTEGRITY. ... Mr. There-are-"35,000-illegal-immigrants-in-Escondido" Abed. Look up THAT quote!!!
Rodney wrote on Sep 7, 2008 1:55 PM:"Can't we all get along." It appears the opponents of the ordinance just want themselves and their guests to be able to park in the street in front of their homes. It appears the supporters of the ordinance just want themselves and their guests to be able to park in the street in front of their homes. Do I see room for compromise? If I can why can't the council? Sounds to me like everybody will be happy if the parking permits are for themselves and their guests to be able to park in the street in front of their homes. Enough said, problem solved.
Stevo wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:03 PM:Why can't we have an EASY hotline number to report such things within our neighborhoods. Once people report them then we need a good response time and then the problems could be worked out. For instance if my neighbor has 6 people living in a 3 bedroom house and taking up my all of the visitor parking. I could call the number to report them. Two days later someone will be banging on their door and ask questions. Landlords these days are being lied to. When people expect to have 10 people living in one house they lie on their application for rent or lease that they have 3 persons. I believe that landlords could take some blame of our issues. They allow people to overcrowd their homes. I am speaking from experience because my landlord is totally ignorant about my parking situation. My neighbor has a 3 bedroom with a garage conversion. 5 cars I counted total and she hasn't done anything. I vote no ordinance and I promote citizen's awareness along with a simple to use hotline number with a fast response time.
To the narrow-minded wrote on Sep 7, 2008 2:29 PM:To those of you who think this is a confined problem that only inner-city Escondidians should be allowed to voice an opinion on, you are wrong. Many seemingly to you unaffected taxpayers and their families have a stake in the outcome. The rampant overcrowding that is allowed to go on in Escondido affects the property value of every residence in the 92025, 92026, 92027, and 92029 zip codes. The ghetto-like slums that are allowed to flourish have ruined the Escondido elementary, middle, and high schools with the impact of non-English speaking students that absorb a disproportionate share of the funding that the school districts receive from the state. And, while it would be better if the county and the city both banned on street parking without permits, the problem does presently appear to be in one portion of the city, there is no denying it does impact all of the above. Bravo for Waldron, Gallo, Abed, and Daniels.
WWHD wrote on Sep 7, 2008 3:45 PM:What would Hussein do?
jvc wrote on Sep 7, 2008 6:58 PM:Smacks at preferential treatment!
Understand the citys issue wrote on Sep 7, 2008 8:33 PM:Parking cars on front lawns and people living in garages and sheds is a real concern. I like the idea of issuing permits to driver's with a license. Perfect solution. If you are in a garage, you need not worry. If you park cars on the street because you have a large family, as I do, go ahead and get the other 2 cars a permit.
To To the narrow-minded wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:26 PM:Time for you to go do some research.
And you can just quit with the "rampant...blah,blah,blah".
If it was so "rampant" then WHY hasn't ACT found any over-crowding? All those inspections and those garage conversions and abated vehicles. But, not one mention of finding the supposed nine bazillion people living in one house.
Go do some research and then maybe the intelligent could find your argument worthy. Nice try.
To P wrote on Sep 7, 2008 9:28 PM:So, you went out of your way to count cars.
Get a LIFE!!!
HUH wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:21 PM:Went out of his/her way?. I'm guessing it took all of 10 seconds to count 8 cars, about five or six too many.
Single family housing, means just that, ONE family,not including aunts and uncles and cousins and great grandma/pa etc.
Get this disaster under control already!
Jack wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:46 PM:Just enforce the single family law. Just last year the Escondido Fire Department went to a 3 bedroom / 1 bath home that had 19 people living in it! Punish the residence that has the 12 cars all around it, not the whole city. People in a neighborhood know the ones that have numerous people living in a home.
anotherview wrote on Sep 7, 2008 10:49 PM:Perhaps the NCT editor could assign one or more staff members to find out the status of code enforcement for all the housing in older areas of the City of Escondido. Overcrowded housing presents a spectrum of negative impacts to neighborhoods. Certainly the city has the jurisdiction, authority, and capability to carry out the strict enforcement of housing codes. Lawfully ending the occupation of homes by too many individuals should in turn reduce the number of automobiles parking in the street.
I agree wrote on Sep 7, 2008 11:31 PM:Vote No on Prop T!
It's the only possible solution to this entire parking situation.
Accurate Quote is accurate wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:18 AM:Someone attacked "Accurate Quote" as being a closet ACLU supporter, but AQ is right to point out that the city needs to be careful that the ordinance isn't open to challenge from the ACLU. That's not sympathy for the ACLU. That's just good strategy.
not a single family wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:22 AM:I'm glad the city is moving forward with the parking ordinance. Four families living together in the same house is a ridiculous situation. At the same time, the city should work to ensure that there are enough houses and condos so poor families don't feel compelled to crowd into single-family homes like rats.
not a single family wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:23 AM:I'm glad the city is moving forward with the parking ordinance. Four families living together in the same house is a ridiculous situation. At the same time, the city should work to ensure that there are enough apartments and condos so poor families don't feel compelled to crowd into single-family homes like rats.
To to to narrow minded wrote on Sep 8, 2008 5:28 AM:Do some research...like you did? Why hasn't ACT found any over crowding? How do you know they haven't...because they said they hadn't? Do you do your research with Dan Rather?
jose wrote on Sep 8, 2008 6:12 AM:I have parked in front of the house on the earth for years in Escondido.I have never had a problem with the city of Escondido because they realize it is my property and I am freeing up more street parking for others. Jose
Another question for wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:15 AM:Greenies and those wannabe Greenies for Gore, with all of the cars parked on the street where does all of the oil that drips, drips, from these cars go? Sewer drians? How lovely a thought.
P wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:17 AM:I didn't specifically go out to count the cars. I have to go out in the morning to pick up the beer bottles and trash that "some people" leave in the gutter, street and oh yeah, the bed of my truck that is of course in MY driveway!
To an earlier poster wrote on Sep 8, 2008 8:18 AM:The City of Escondido's code enforcement group really do nithing but respond to calls. They are not pro active (as I have spoken to Ms Cxxxx).
If the city really wanted to do something they would have the code group go through this whole city street by street gathering license plate numbers. Then feed them into the DMV's system. This would then reveal insurance or not. It would reveal driver info.
If there is no ins. the car gets towed.
During this process they could also make not of homes that need to clean it up. Remove a conversion.
Once they had this information on the cars they could see just how many different people are living in a home etc.
They they just inforce the laws that are on the books already.
Easy yes
Well it is... wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:06 AM:...Escondido.
I don't understand such a depressing place that is populated with such depressing people should be arguing who is better than the other.
If you live in Escondido, there is no class distinction. It is what it is!
to well it is.... wrote on Sep 8, 2008 12:54 PM:well you obviously don't have a clue. There are many middle/upper class families that live on the outskirts of Escondido. If you don't live here then please don't post your negative comments. I'm sure that you are sooooo much better. My house was certainly not cheap. In fact I love Escondido and the area I chose to live in! My kids go to a very good public school in south Escondido and I am proud to live here. So....get a life please and post about your own city which probably has their share of problems like any city. Have a great day!
To Alley parking wrote on Sep 8, 2008 2:32 PM:Parking in alleys is prohibited in Escondido under a cvc code (I looked it up once but since forgot the actual numbers, I happen to use one (an alley) as my driveway, this is how I know.) The code states that per fire code, emergency vehicles must have a certian amount of feet of clearance each side to pass.. Parking in the alley is just like parking in a red zone, or against a hydrant. If you see cars parked in the alley, please feel free to call on them. The EPD will usually send a community service officer within 20 - 30 mins. The ticket price is often $70
Enjoy (and for the sake of us that use the alleys please call on parked cars)
Bill wrote on Sep 8, 2008 3:22 PM:It's not easy! You are asking a public servant to EARN their paycheck!!
johnny wrote on Sep 8, 2008 4:10 PM:Talk about micro-managing your city.
Mexicat wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:08 PM:City Council "Damn, this ordinance is going to affect white people too, not working out the way we thought it would." Yes Escondido City Council, even white people own more then 2 cars and don't live in the upper class areas.
Frida wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:47 PM:Back out now while you have the chance. This parking ordinance is a joke. More bad policy coming from the trio.
Promise them cake wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:44 AM:Staff's suggestions, if the council decides to accept them, will make Escondido the laughing stock of California. Wasting taxpayer's money mailing out overnight on street parking permits to people who never requested them, don't want them, and won't use them. This has got to be a bad joke, they are going to end overcrowding as we know it by making it easier for the overcrowders to park on the street. The garage conversion contractors are going to love this, opportunity knocking. Whatever happened to cleaner streets, safer neighborhoods, less crime? Guess the staff's ACT team is going to get competition in the acting field from the council. This is called consensus, even Lori "Let them all in" Pfeiler can vote for this farce.
I ask again... wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:15 PM:Anyone want to buy my permits?
Dave in Escondido wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:58 PM:Yes, there will be legal challenges to the ordinance and its exceptions, and rightly so. The angry board members just can't face that fact that they are wasting our time and money on a project that is transparently spiteful and doomed to failure. After Escondido loses in court again, we will rue the day that we ever elected City Council members as deluded as Abed and Gallo. Time to kick them off the council and get Olga Diaz and Richard Barron to restore some decency and sanity to our city.
AirHeads wrote on Sep 16, 2008 5:09 PM:Ohhh man! No booty calls in Escondido between 2 am and 5 am...no parking permit.shucks!
All this bs over 3 hours of parking?
The Council will waste more tax dollars pretending to give the voters a "plan" to control parking between 2am - 5 am...
that is alot of money for three hours of parking.It won't take effect until 2010.This "plan" won't happen.It's a ploy to get you suckered into re electing these hacks.Don't fall for the game again Escondido.You fell for Waldron's reantal ban,they knew it wasn't going to happen...here they go again.
EMPTY PROMISES to GET ELECTED.
VOTE NOV 2008
kick em to the curb before someone parks there!
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Goodbye Abed Gallo
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