OK wrote on Sep 8, 2008 7:01 PM:Just what the DR ordered another liquor store, because Oceanside has sooooo few. NOT

Janet wrote on Sep 8, 2008 9:22 PM:Oceanside doesn't need another Wal-Mart, big or small. Fresh & Easy
would be a Fresh idea.

Wal-Mart wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:06 PM:won't be happy until you have NO other store to shop in. I don't care how many they build...I refuse to shop there. The "roll backs" still come out of your pockets as you end up paying for ...

Oh brother wrote on Sep 8, 2008 10:37 PM:More ... stuff in our neighborhoods. The staff had better have some neighborhood meetings about this. We are sick of Walmart in this town. Aren't 3 enough for heaven's sake!!!???

Grocery anchor wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:20 AM:That area does need a grocery anchor; however, the emphasis on liquor and cigarettes should be minized. Meaning that they limit the sq. footage allowed for liquor.

j wrote on Sep 9, 2008 6:49 AM:No More Wal-Mart!!!!!
A grocery would be nice, how about a Target??

DavidD wrote on Sep 9, 2008 7:04 AM:Let consumers decide with their pocketbook where they want to shop. Many people complain about WM, but for every complainer there are probably fifty non-complainers who are happy to shop there.

shopper wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:22 AM:I don't hear much about Home Depot or Lowes, when was the last time you were in O'side hardware? thats right, there isn't one, (you went to ACE, right!). So whats so wrong about WalMart? People have jobs that otherwise might not have, tell me you would rather pay 3 times as much for that shirt, thats not made any better. Guess it make you feel that your better than the next person right. I'll agree WalMart is not the same store old man Sam Walton left it, but its still done more for the lower and middle income class than all the state and federal programs. Consumers must agree.

What wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:49 AM:Since when do the words Wal-Mart and small go in the same sentence?

Ralph wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:03 AM:It amazes me that there are so many people in San Diego County that are willing to pay high prices at the local union run stores versus saving money at WalMart and WalMart SuperCenters. I hope they do build a food store at the planned location. If it is a Neighborhood WalMart Grocery Store you will hear the unions and their company run stores complain to high heaven. With todays economy, I for one am glad to save a dollar where I can. If you don't want to save money, by all means shop at the union store. No one has a gun at you head. The last I heard, this is a free country.

Olaf wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:28 AM:Here come all the paid bloggers for wally world. "Ralph, Bob, Mary", How many Wal Marts does one city need. Let's see what is wrong with it? Hmmm! lets look at property values of cities with wal Marts and without? hmmm! notice the price differences? How about crime? How about traffic? OPen your eyes people! One or two in a city maybe but 3 or 4??? c'mon?

Now lets talk about how you pay socially. More people who need to drive in from other areas because YOU wouldn't work there? No benifits, no pay, so where do the workers come from? hmmm! out of town. Lets talk cheap goods? Yes everyone is selling them now (thank wally world for that) but do we all have to jump on the same ship and buy this junk? someone said three times the price above??? what??? try pennies. Pennies less for your cheap shirt not made anywhere near the US. Let's try not buying cheap junk and supporting places that make quality goods. It is worth your PENNY'S

FTM wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:55 AM:Follow the money - Oceanside is building this Wal Mart to siphon off money from Vista. This is not a grocery store for Oceansiders.

Oceanside was VERY successful doing the same thing with the new staples and walmart on Fire Mountain. The Trader Joe's on Fire mountain too - all these are designed to siphon off tax revenue from Carlsbad.

Oce3anside is FINALLY playing the same game that all the other North County cities have been playing on Oceanside for 30 years.
Carlsbad and Vista and San Marcos have always taken advantage of Oceansides "Zero Growth/Anti-Development" administrations of the past and those cities built all thier low end retail outlets right on the borders with Oceanside on purpose just to siphon off tax dollars from Oceanside.

I say: Turnabout is Fair Play.

A Wal-Mart in Oceanside on the border of Vista? YES!

Dear Olaf wrote on Sep 9, 2008 10:55 AM:Thank you for stating the social ills when one goes to Walmart. You may save a few bucksin the shortrun but in the longrun you have damaged our economy Why don't people understand this?
The workers there barely get by and have to go on Medicaid for their medical needs. The taxpayers are subsidizing Walmarts. This low paid employee almost always commutes from Vista, San Marcos or even Temecula, into our town, burying our streets in traffic and pollution. We need to attract HIGH PAYING jobs, not more low paying ones like this. We need jobs that pay enough to have the employees living in our town, not some other where they take their paychecks home and spend there.

I love Walmart wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:04 AM:When I shop there I know I won't have thoughts wondering if I paid too much for something. Like Sara Lee bread, pay twice as much anywhere else. A new cell phone? Pay a lot more anywhere else. Other places health insurance for the employees might be part of the cost. I'm not paying for someone health insurance. I don't even pay for my own. We need Single payer (SB840) so everyone pays their fair share including Walmart.

To Olaf wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:15 AM:Walmart has the buying power, the more you buy the less they cost. Practically every company that wants to stay in business will go for cheaper labor overseas or you can't compete. That is pretty sad where it is cheaper to have something made overseas and shipped here than it is to be made here. That was the downfall of our steel mills when Japan could sell us steel at a cheaper price even with shipping. Like the bumper sticker says; "Buy American and help me keep my $40 an hour job with great retirement and health benefits".

Just Not There wrote on Sep 9, 2008 11:57 AM:I think the neighbors might not want a big store like this in that area. They didn't even want a church over there as I recall, and the east side of Melrose is still pretty rural and is adjacent to parkland. To me, it just doesn't seem like a good fit.

But, I'm sure we'll hear a lot more about this before anything is built. It wouldn't be Oceanside if there weren't endless protests and appeals before the first bulldozer shows up to start grading.

Please read the article wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 PM:The sky is falling, the sky is falling. In the article, it states that they are applying for a 11,400-square-foot grocery store. NOT a 101,000 department store. The only difference is that it is not an Albertsons or something. Read the article people and just go shopping. That area can use a grocery store any ways.

Just Not There wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:43 PM:Whoops, I read the map wrong. It actually looks like a perfect spot for a store. Pave Away!

To Olaf wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 PM:I know a few people who work at different Wal-marts around the country and every single one of them has better insurance than I do and get more vacation/sick days than I do. I'd go work there in a heart beat if I didn't already like the job I have.

Oceansides Fourth WalMart wrote on Sep 9, 2008 12:59 PM:Oceanside is the low price leader for commercial property. Four Walmarts in a community our size has to be a record!

John wrote on Sep 9, 2008 1:55 PM:I live about 2 miles from there. I'd welcome another choice for shopping. Now I also don't have to deal with strikes every 5 years or so.

Health care, etc is a red herring. a majority of small businesses, like the one I owned in Encinitas (yes..not O'side..O'side is NOT business friendly), don't offer health care. NO MORE SMALL BUSINESSES!!! I mean, how many small businesses does one city need? We have more than 2!! Shut down the big drug companies... you get the point.

If you read the article, it's not a Walmart. It's a grocery store patterned after smaller botique grocery stores. I could understand if everyone was angry that they're converting the existing one to something bigger. They're not. Also, that lot has been an eye sore, sitting with weeds for years. Bringing in a complex with a STABLE anchor, like Walmart, is a good idea. If you don't understand this, go look at the complex off College/76, with Kmart as an anchor. Two anchors in bad shape, and the place isn't very friendly.

Lastly, ever think this might work towards a better, planned community? I grocery store right across the street from a Sprinter? Hmmmm...maybe city planners will/have learned something from Southern Orange County.

Osied Res wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:18 PM:Knock down the prices, I can't afford to shop at Von's.

John wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:46 PM:Olaf states, "Let's see what is wrong with it? Hmmm! lets look at property values of cities with wal Marts and without? hmmm! notice the price differences? How about crime? How about traffic?"

Well, Poway has a Wal-mart and I believe the average property value in Poway is near the top of all communities in the county.

Bo wrote on Sep 9, 2008 3:49 PM:We need Stater Brothers!

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:13 PM:All of the usual baloney from retail clerks union members, employees of competitors, competitors of wal mart, mom and pop stores that OVERCHARGE, disgruntled ex-employees of wal mart who were fired for good reason, etc. etc. Nobody forces anybody to work at wal mart and they can quit any time they can find something better. They don't, because they can't find better employment. When wal mart has jobs available there are way more applicants than jobs. Wal mart has lowered its prices even further during this recession and they are PROSPERING as a result. People flock to wal mart regardless of the sour grapes of those who have an axe to grind.

madmilker wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:39 PM:People in America need to realize jus what got America in this shape..."cheap" yes so-call cheap items from a foreign land and now the largest company in America wants to make everything "green" but at the same time they put 95% made in China in their stores in China and support Chinese export...don't take my word...its on their China web page quote*Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that by purchasing quality products, we can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in China is sourced locally. We have established partnerships with nearly 20,000 suppliers in China. *end quote! Now! if there be 182 country's making items for the world to buy and they have only 5% of the pie in China...duh! This company makes the nice people of China support their currency(yuan) by keeping it in their country working for the people there.... but with the "yuan" going up in value and the US dollar going down...all the foreign items that the American consumer buys thinking it is cheap has went up in price. People...its all about the currency and to keep a currency strong you got to keep it floating around the country you live in so it can work for you. For the past 12 years all them US dollars are being shipped overseas to a foreign bank and with the American worker not making anything for the foreigner to buy the "we the people" have to turn to the "second" largest employer in America(Uncle Sam) to sell "we the people" debt in order to get all them dollars back! 50 years ago a foreigner would had given their left nut for a US dollar or a Hershey's chocolate bar and today the same foreigner has got Uncle Sam and the American consumer by both all the while Hershey is moving the chocolate factory to Mexico. Wakeup! America and think "MADE IN AMERICA."

Olaf wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:55 PM:As I said here come the paid (by wally world) bloggers to defend them. To to Olaf: Are you kidding me that they have better health benifits then you? You must be living on the streets with no job. Go to a wal Mart and ask for an application. Then ask how do the benifits work? when the stop laughing you can then ask how to get a fair wage.

To the other To Olaf: Yes everybody is going overseas now, why because they have to compete with Wally world. Does this make it right that we can not compete with China because they can pollute the earth, they can pay slave wages, they don't have to care about their people, For US that means cheaper goods without the guilt of knowing your doing those things, OH and yes you don't have to pay a living wage to a person that a union would garnish its employees. Now i am not saying to ban all wal marts, but does any city have to allow 4 of any sort of large store within there borders?

So I wonder why people didn't comment on the property values issues. It seems to me if you want lower property values bring in a wal mart. It seems evident that most of the coastal cities don't have a wal mart but have large stores (ie. Costco, target, etc) but their housing bubble has not dropped as much as other places. Now I know this correlation is a streatch and is ripe for a sociology class.

Finally, small mom and pop stores that are around the residential areas will save people on gas, they can walk to get small thing, health (see comment before), and in turn will create jobs for the community. People don't have to rid them selves of wal mart just tell the politicians, not planners who have to follow the Politicians wants (who wal mart contribute to even local races) that you don't want that inside your town. Now all of you free market, stay out of my life, I love my big cheap cookies and t-shirts, large Hummer driving, wal mart shoppers can bag on me.

RE-BUILD AMERICAN STORES wrote on Sep 9, 2008 4:59 PM:Its time to understand how these types of companies ruin our economy. You Wal-Mart lovers-shoppers and employees are the ones who are letting this BIG CORP. ruin America.

Its just another piece of the pie that slowly depletes our US strength. However consumer beware- you do get what you pay for, a $5-15 dollar shirt from wal-mart will fall apart in about 2-3 washes!! Plus you just PAID for SLAVE LABOR in another country.... Yep you are keeping the sweat shops booming for CHILDREN to be taken away from life and put under horendous working conditions, while you ENJOY that CHEAP SARA LEE BREAD, and $ 5 shirt...

REMEMBER Economics 101- Why is Wal Mart able to bring you LOW Prices, because of sweat shops overseas, heading thier corporations overseas - taxes go to overseas accounts, and cheaply made products, and produce from Mexico- HELLO WAKE UP sorry. Wal mart is bad news. BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN, not America loves to be greedy- no wonder other countries hate us

madmilker wrote on Sep 9, 2008 5:08 PM:People in America need to realize jus what got America in this shape..."cheap" yes so-call cheap items from a foreign land and now the largest company in America wants to make everything "green" but at the same time they put 95% made in China in their stores in China and support Chinese export...don't take my word...its on their China web page

quote*Wal-Mart firmly believes in local procurement. We recognize that by purchasing quality products, we can generate more job opportunities, support local manufacturing and boost economic development. Over 95% of the merchandise in our stores in China is sourced locally. We have established partnerships with nearly 20,000 suppliers in China. *end quote!

Now! if there be 182 country's making items for the world to buy and they have only 5% of the pie in China...duh! This company makes the nice people of China support their currency(yuan) by keeping it in their country working for the people there.... but with the "yuan" going up in value and the US dollar going down...all the foreign items that the American consumer buys thinking it is cheap has went up in price. People...its all about the currency and to keep a currency strong you got to keep it floating around the country you live in so it can work for you.

Oceanside voter wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:05 PM:there is never enough Walmarts, check cashing and liquor stores for Oceanside. Keep em coming we love them!

Aha wrote on Sep 9, 2008 8:24 PM:How about a few more shady massage parlors too?

To Olaf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 7:34 AM:I'm far from homeless. I actually asked my favorite cashier at one our of local (Oside) Wal-Marts what the working conditions were like because I thought they must be different out here the way everyone talks. She told me about all her sick days that are matched with the same number of personal days that can be used for any reason. She also told me about the 5 different insurance plans she was able to choose between. She also told me about other perks such as flex-time scheduling and shift splitting that apparently come in very handy for her along with her above minimum-wage paycheck. She said anyone who says Wal-Mart doesn't treat their employees well has never talked to one.

I also know my uncle back in Colorado just got pretty seriously injured in a stupid accident and the insurance he has through his job at Wal-Mart covered him 100% (less his deductible of course).

I've never worked there so I've never experienced any of it first hand, but I also don't believe the people I've asked about it are liars so I will take them at their word.

That's not to say any city should be overrun by Wal-Marts (Oside has plenty). I shop there sometimes, but mainly frequent the smaller markets near my home. I'm just suggesting that, based on my own personal face-to-face research, they're not AS bad as some would like to think.

Olaf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 9:19 AM:ask those same people outside of work. Also it is funny that your story changed. before you said they get better benifits than you. As a small business owner I can tell you how to manage around all those things. Offer three types of health care often paid with high cost to the employee and supplemented by tax payers. Now to give Wally world props they have started to listen to their critics and offer better pay in some areas (CA) because of the backlash that has happened. But this is only one tiny slice of the pie that is wal mart. read all other comments above.

To the comment about Poway property values: most people know that there are two Poways, the section that has a wal mart (lower values and rising foreclosures) and the upper Poway (divided from the other and higher property values). So the point is taken but not true. Do you see a wal mart in any coastal town? how about rancho santa fe?

Its too late wrote on Sep 10, 2008 10:18 AM:Twenty years ago I saw on TV and heard on the radio that America is going to end up selling each other services and insurance, and the haves, have-nots and the have-a-lots are going to keep growing apart. Nobody could change it back then when they saw it coming and it's a lot harder to correct it after the damage is done. So I'm going to go where my dollar gets the biggest bang...especially with that SARA-LEE BREAD!

To Olaf wrote on Sep 10, 2008 6:45 PM:My story never changed. The wal-mart employees I was referring to do have better benefits than me. That doesn't mean I'm destitute and homeless. I just cited specific examples of people i knew for reference purposes only. And, for the record, my conversation with the cashier I referenced did not take place while she was at Wal-Mart.

I'm not saying they're all great ... I just don't see them as all bad.

Vista wrote on Sep 12, 2008 4:43 PM:I welcome a Walmart grocery store. They already have them in the Southwest, and they are not that bad. And anything is better than the Stater Bros on Bobier. I live a minute from that store but drive the extra miles to Albertsons. Because it's cleaner and has more than 2 cashiers.

If Walmart wants to put a grocery store in that area, more power to them.

What would be even better is if they just bulldozed the Townsite area of Vista and stuck a huge Walmart there. Or bulldoze down Santa Fe, starting and Bobier and ending at Vista Village. They could put 50 Walmarts there and it would be better than what's there currently.

And you anti Walmart people really need a wake up call. The country that you live in and love oh so much could care less that you want everything made in America. America is about greed. America is about more money, more power. That will never, ever change. So get used to it. You can not shop at Walmart all you want. But the millions of other people who do are going to more than make up for your money not spent there.

rsxguy wrote on Sep 13, 2008 4:21 AM:i swear to god all this shipping muh job overseas bs would go away if we just brought back merchantilism level tariffs you wanna pay 6 cents on the doller to make it in china..be my guest..but your gunna pay 94 cents JUST to bring it into the U.S.A then pay for it to be inspected at the ports for WMDS or contraband by private security which will be subcontracted by DHS/customs inforcement, then pay to have it shipped and inspected at the truck scales(also by DHS personel because we all know how honest company paid drivers can be with cargo manifests when they leave port *looking at you walmart*), then have it get to your distribution center to then be shipped again to your stores...or just make it in the US and have it shipped by your own companys truckers who youll pay a pitance compared to the union run goverment contracted truckers

nygranny wrote on Sep 13, 2008 10:13 PM:Oh, puleeze, not another wallys!! Let Vista have it, better yet, let Arkansas have it, they deserve cheap shopping! Doesn't Oceanside have more than it's share of cheap, import wally stores? Smaller or bigger, isn't three enough already..? Puleeze no more!!
Hey, maybe we can do as San Marcos did and fight it? San Marcos won!!