Go to Hillcrest wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:31 PM:Please stay in Hillcrest.

mark wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:59 PM:Please stay in Hillcrest. We are tired of the mafia pushing there agenda

Curtis wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:23 PM:There are more of us here in North County than in Hillcrest; maybe you should go somewhere else.

wake up wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:33 PM:Sorry, we are here to stay folks. Get used to it. There needs to be more groups like this. NCC is just trying to educate and offer a place of support for the LGBT community. Everyone has the freedom to be a part of something. I think it's great that North County Times is educating the public.

Sandra wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:40 PM:Oceanside is a diverse community. It was about time that someone have finally decided to do something to bring Oceanside in 2008.
Schools and City Council should send a message of tolerance and respect for all diversity in our community.
Good Job North County Coalition, you have our support!

Equal Opportunity wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:06 PM:I hope you will include the Tri City Board of Directors' election. There's much need for the administration and physicians to meet the standards of the Civil Rights Act especially with the latest US Supreme Court decision. Obviously diversity training is needed there too.

Tolerance wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:25 PM:Too bad tolerance is only wanted one way by these groups. As long as you tolerate them, you are considered tolerant; they themselves don't have to tolerate other groups' beliefs which makes themselves intolerant.

Relax wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:36 PM:These people are not axe murderes moving into your neighborhood, nor are they childmolesters or "maffia." So let them live where tehy want, They work hard and pay taxes let them enjoy the lifestyle they have earned.

Arlo wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:56 PM:How are we to be educated? Last I checked gay, lesbian, Bi and Transsexual folks can't reproduce. Kind of takes the Family out of Family.

I totally get what you are saying Tolerance; so very true.

Hate is not a family value; neither is GLBT as they cannot create a Family, they have to rely on other to break up their family so these kinds of folks can have one of their own.

Arlo wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:58 PM:RE: Relax

It is fine if they live the way they want; they need to stop forcing their agenda on others, if I wish to not accept their way of life that is just as much my right as their right to live that way.

How does it wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:23 PM:How do gays and lesbians break up your family? I've got a wife and small child and they are doin just fine in a world that contains gays and lesbians. Who cares how someone lives in their home, want the ability to get married to someone of the same gender, who cares? It does not have any effect on me or my family so let them get married.

Sandra wrote on Sep 19, 2008 10:26 PM:Some of this postings have already shown how much education and respects are need it in our community.
It is true, Tolerance should apply to everyone, the right to be equal does not take anything away from others that do not believe in the same way. Everyone is free to have their own religious stands about sexual orientation but no one should reinforce any laws to discriminate against it based on these beliefs. This is what is all about, equality and safety for all.

To Gay People wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:24 PM:Please move out of Hillcrest and settle in Oceanside. Our property values will go up. And lets face it. Gay men are better looking than heterosexual men.

How can anybody argue with higher property values and handsome men?

suzy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:58 AM:And so it begins in Oceanside. Can we use the city facility to have a family day? Do we have sensitivity training for them also?

It is 2008 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:25 AM:and we still read such unkind comments from a few bigots. How sad.

Finally wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:57 AM:This is a good sign that the City of Oceanside is growing in the right direction.
More activities and visibility in North County is what our families need for us to be live safer. I am a mother of two and with my wife we pay high property taxes, we send our kids to school, volunteer in the community and like everyone else we have the right not to be discriminated against.
Kudos to those that had the courage to bring this debate in North County. Way to go!!

Dan wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:37 AM:The Coalition is just the latest development for North County, showing that the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender community has always been there, has always been there doing their part in society, but to date, normally as 2nd class citizens, which is everyone's loss.

Just as it took a long time to get passed gender and race, it will take time to get the majority over how most Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender folks really are.

To answer the Family question, there is a sizeable percentage of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender families who have children, be they biological or adopted, and in San Diego county, there is a major organization showing proof of this.

We all have the same hopes, dreams, goals in life, love of thy neighbor, and all we ask in return of showing that to everyone, is to get it back.

Bottom line, the continued hate, now given extra emphasis with Prop 8, is a contributor for some youth in Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender to commit suicide, so those that continue to hate and simply do not understand, have blood on their hands.

It's time for everyone to repect everyone else around, and know everyone has a contribution to society. We need all the help we can get with how bad we all know the country and world is in right now.

So the Coalition is going to have a fun event coming next month, and I know EVERYONE is invited, to come and enjoy the fun, the music, the food, and will clearly demonstrate not just the best of the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual & Transgender community, but shows they are equals in society to everyone else.

p.s. Thank you for voting NO on Prop 8.
Union Tribune has come out recommending NO on 8.

Barking up the wrong tree wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:45 AM:To Equal Opportunity: TriCity offers benefits for domestic partners of its employees. There is a gay community at the hospital, and as far as I can see, they are treated no differently than other staff. Believe me when I say we are far too busy fighting other battles to worry about the sexual orientation of coworkers. Sorry, this is one of the very few areas where TriCity is ahead of the game.

question wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:58 AM:Is that all these people think about is their sexuality? If so, that is a perversion. Let's make a deal, fair to both sides. I won't reveal my choice and you don't reveal yours.

2 Cents wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:15 AM:First - I am NOT PRO GAY
However, just because homosexuals cannot bear children, doesn't mean that every heterosexual parent is stellar in their role either.
Another issue is tolerance. I am not opposed to any religion, belief or choice of lifestyle as this is granted to all CITIZENS in the US and if one, few, or many wish to support something, so be it. However, as with many activists - they fail to realize that the majority do not share their belief - thus the scrutiny. And shoving it down people's throats in that demeanor will never yield results. Most of the umbrage stems from the ruse of delivery of expression, not what is actually being pushed.
In response to "It is 2008" - I regret to inform you do not live in a Utopian society. There will always be hatred and bigotry in every element of life - in which the positive element is revealing true emotions and knowing the consistency that humans are just that. If it bothers you so much - please speak with the man who shares your belief; his name was Karl Marx.

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:28 AM:To Question: So you think we should go back a hundred years and have them stay in the closet?

To Suzy: You can rent the facility anytime you want and bring all of your bigoted friends and have any day you want.

To Arlo: Your definition of family is the ability to produce children? Sorry but I disagree. My wife and I haven't been able to have children, does that mean we can't be called a family and would be judged by you as something less then godly.

Bigotry leads to hate and hate is evil. Live and let live.

Religion teaches people not to be tolerant and to hate those not like themselves and that is why I won't be at your church this Sunday.

VOTE NO ON 8 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:38 AM:Before you know it they (homosexuals) will be in our schools teaching our children they way of their life style. We can not bring Christianity in to school, but the gays can bring in their life styles? What happen to society? I don't want my children to learn that living in sin is the proper way of life!!! Just another way of society having to FORCE us to accept their ways of life.

To Radman. Religion does NOT teach people to hate....people hate on their own. I am glad that you won't be at my church. I do not want someone who hates Christians there.

Oceansider wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:42 AM:If all the people on this blog expressing various levels of bigotry and hatred toward gay and lesbians knew how many of their friends, colleagues, neighbors or even spouses WERE gay or lesbian, I wonder how their positions would shift? Remember, folks, you can't necessarily tell if they don't tell you.

Bigotry in any form diminishes us all. Gay people don't threaten me or "the American way of life."

Try being a little more understanding and and a little less judgmental and perhaps we'll all get along a little better.

to 2 cents wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:44 AM:"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

I stand by these words and by the great people who wrote them.

As for you, go back to read your Marx.

Love won out wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:12 AM:Empty faces,empty lives,men with other men for wives, roam the streets of our Broadway, telling all the world they'er gay.
Seeking laughter, seeking leisure, finding only fleeting pleasure, leaving no one on this earth to commemorate their birth.
Looking ever for the one, who'll reflect their father's son. Seeing eyes in the walking blind, in search of the man they left behind.
Finding joy that can't fulfill the longing deep inside and still, building Sodom and Gomorrah, condemned by Bible and by Torah.
I see beyond the things you do, for I have always been with you. I ransomed you on Calvary. I died for you, live for Me.

Perfect example of irony wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:17 AM:Radman writes, "Bigotry leads to hate and hate is evil....Religion teaches people not to be tolerant and to hate those not like themselves and that is why I won't be at your church this Sunday."

There is hate on both sides of the fence. And you can't eradicate hate with more hate. Perhaps you should look to God rather than religion to learn about love and tolerance.

Lifestyles wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:40 AM:I'm having the hardest time understanding the 'lifestyle' everyone is so bothered by. I'm not sure how my 'lifestyle' is damaging nor how it's different than any other's lifestyle. I wake up, I work, I complain about taxes (haha), I enjoy time with my family and friends, I go to bed, and do it all again. Can someone please tell me how me, being me, is damaging or threatening someone else's way of life?

Ive said it once wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:46 AM:and I'll say it again. I'm completely tolerant of Christians and feel they are amazing people with an amazing faith and HISTORY. Sadly some people take things out of context and as a result various groups are deemed 'sinful'. But if history serves us anything it's that Christians always find love in people. Back in the day these same churches teaching that homosexuality is wrong also taught that African-Americans were cursed with dark skin, that a woman's role was in the home, that interracial marriage and mixed religion couples were unacceptable... but guess what happened? Christians realized they loved them at that everyone deserves happiness. I trust the Christians community that sooner than later they'll find the love for the LGBT community. Just wait...

to radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:48 AM:In a civilized society, where common respect is the norm there are some things you don't do in public or to others (look through a penal code if you can't figure it out for yourself).. Just as it is not polite to ask 'how much did you pay for __". Nobody said anything about a closet except you. Have a little respect for others. Don't flaunt anything in someone else's face.

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:01 AM:I don't hate you or your religion. I'm just stating a fact that religion in general teaches hate and bigotry. The funny part is it not only teaches biotry against gays but also against other religions. I don't care if you are mormon, scientology, muslim, christian or hindu. You all think you are right and the rest have it all wrong. I love all men and women but do believe religion is evil.

Grump wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:03 AM:I cold care less if Harry loves Harry, but don't try to sell it to me as being normal. I hope this doesn't develope into an Oceanside gay pride parade where scantely clad men dressed as women are dancing in front of my children as we are going to the beach.

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:03 AM:Whos God should I turn to?

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:07 AM:To: Love won out.

The couples I know that have been together the longest are my gay friends. Most of my straight friends got divorced due to cheating on their spouses. Nice poem but if you believe in sodom and gomorrah then I've got a bridge to nowhere for sale.

To Grump wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:23 AM:Sorry for you Grump, but You should be thankful for this event, one day even your kids my need this kind of support, since it is a little too early for you to know that are not gay.
Remember that Gay and Lesbian people are born from families just like yours:-)

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:37 AM:To Grump.

How many thousands of years does something have to occur so you will call it normal? Gays have been around since the beginning and if your kid does turn out gay I'll be soory for them because of your bigotry.

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:42 AM:40 killed today from bombing at Marriott hotel in Pakistan. This is an example of the hate religion has brought on the world.

To Love One Out wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:46 AM:I love it how people always try to throw their so called perfect bible around as the only way to live. Please explain to me how Adam and Eve's children had more children? Incest. The bible really brings out family values.

More irony wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:52 AM:from Radman who says, "I don't hate you or your religion....I love all men and women but do believe religion is evil." Now just switch the word religion with homosexuality and perhaps you'll begin to see some of the hypocrisy that is running rampant around here.

Critical thinking wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:01 PM:Adam and Eve were the first man and woman to be created by God. Does the Bible state they were the only 2 to be created by God? If you don't believe in God, please tell me how you thought the earth came to be so heavily populated? Did a bunch of humans just come into being at the same time or do you think there had to be some inbreeding going on initially?

To Critical thinking wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:08 PM:yes the bible does state that god only created adam and eve.

Vote YES on 8 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:21 PM:Thank goodness that this is a general election .VOTE YES ON 8!!!!!!

Protect Marriage wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:24 PM:VOTE YES ON *8* protect marriage

Not the Schools wrote on Sep 20, 2008 12:24 PM:The community center is of course open to the community, so no problem there. But, I really don't think someones viewpoint about sexual orientation should be forced on kids in school. I'm willing to bet that this whole announcement would have just gone mostly unnoticed by many, if not for that little part of OUSD getting involved. But getting noticed is really what this IS all about, not being free to live a lifestyle.

Activists, which are the types of folks that organize groups like this, work by being as controversial as possible, in order to garner attention to their cause. That's not the normal role of support groups, who support those that need help.

So really, this is really just all about in your face, I'll force you to accept it, activism. It's not about support at all.

And if you don't think this is all about sex, check out the Gay Pride Parade. Try 80% of the stuff you see there at work and you'll quickly find yourself either out of a job, sued, or in "sensitivity awareness" training. Sure, every right to do it, but at least be honest about it.

Dear Max Disposti wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:10 PM:I am a married women, but I do not have any issues with your progress in Oceanside. I completely support any positive movements for people who feel they have to live not coming out of the person they are! Understanding, consideration is a must for people to prosper together!

FYI, that is why I ask your group to play an important role helping this Nov. vote time for new City Council.
I just read an article that running candidate Mr. Gibson, stands AGAINST Gay-Marriage which=ignorant, closed minded person for others lives.

Therefor I ask that your group take a close look at helping get certain incumbent Fellers seat filled with an open minded person, and his buddy Rocky Chavez who is running for Mayor. These two would do nothing for your Coalition Group except bring you down!

Feller is all about the churches, which do not look kindly at your groups efforts.

Could you ask your group to start looking at huge possibly helping to get the word out on which candidates to support.

Thank You! & high Five to your Efforts!!
Peace & Love

Stop Being so controlling wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:13 PM:People who stand against a persons character that does not bring harm unto your quality of life are living blind & ignorant.

Support DIVERSITY in our North County & Oceanside.

I am straight and married, but I am in opposition of supressing peoples freedom to be who they want.

ITS CALLED BEING KIND to everyone!!

Protect Marriage Vote No on 8 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:52 PM:Protect all marriages!

Future of NC wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:57 PM:Oh the future of North County - you see what will happen - the coalition will soon be sponsoring events, all the while advertising that such events are for families and small children.For those who wish not to attend an event by this group, you will not even know it is sponsored by the coalition until you arrive. Will the city require them to be trueful in advertising the events as part of this coalition? I hope so but probably not!!

Roberto1 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:17 PM:There are many less fortunate. IMHO, this diversity campaign would better served if tied to charitable events like helping the homeless, handicaped and mentally challange and participating in a toy drive for the less fortunate. This could be a win-win for everyone.

Long Live wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:34 PM:Long Live the Boy Scouts of America, and may they be allowed to stay in Balboa Park forever. It is okay to be hetero. Really.

No on 8 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:35 PM:no on 8, no on 8, no on 8
No Gibson, No Feller, No Chacez

From Max Disposti wrote on Sep 20, 2008 2:55 PM:Dear everyone, the reactions to this article were expected; the fear of diversity, the misunderstanding, the accusations to our life styles and of course the stereotypes.

What the North County LGBT Coalition has done so far is to work to create a safer community where everyone can live. Not particular secret agendas are in place,not special rights are in program, but just creating a community environment where no one is at risk of being killed just because of their sexual preferences.
Please, do not forget that in California sexual orientation is after race and nationality, the third cause of death in the hate crimes list, and also one of the major reason why our youths are committing suicide(in our County there are homeless teens that ended up in the streets after their parents refused to accept them because gay or lesbian).

Regarding the fear that our educational programs might force our beliefs into someone credo, is simply an incorrect statement. This programs are mandated by the State and they are regulated by them in order to respect everyone religious belief. This programs have been in place for several years now and the Coalition is here just to make sure that they are reinforced, nothing really new.

We have our families, kids, we pay our dues like everyone else and just because we are gay, lesbians and transgender does not mean that we don't have any religious belief.
There are in facts many churches out there that are supporting our effort because they are affermative and open to everyone and will be also present at our Coming Out Day Pride@the beach October 11.

In conclusion, our effort is to create a better community where everyone can get along, learn how to respect each other and protect those that are discriminated for any reasons.

But make no mistakes, we will be determinated to defend our families and kids safety from any discrimination, violence and bigotry that aims against their Pride and happiness, by standing up for our equal rights everywhere we live.

Thanks to all of you!

-Max

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:18 PM:To: More irony.

If you look at history it's not homosexuality that has been the group doing the persecuting. The group who has done the persecuting is the religious groups throughout history. Where in history has the homosexuality community done anything but hide from the radicals that were trying to persecute them. If you don’t remember history then we are doomed to repeat it. I don’t think even the most religious of you wants to repeat the crusades. Stop the bigotry and love your neighbor weather he is gay or religious. But let’s not forget who has been the most evil in the past by killing and raping in the name of god.

Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:24 PM:To: Not the schools.

Do you think that if the school doesn't mention that we have gays in our society that they won't know about the gay life style? Let's pretend they don't exist and maybe they will go away. Why don't you just put your head in the sand?

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:19 PM:From the Mercury News, San Jose, Ca, 9-18-08: " Fifty-five percent of voters indicated they would say no to the proposed amendment, which would make same-sex marriage illegal in California." Attention bigots. Get used to it. Whether YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, get used to it. You are the same kind of people who 50 years ago were booing and threatening black kids in Little Rock who were trying to integrate into a white high school. You are the dinosaurs of modern society and you will soon be EXTINCT. Welcome to the The North County Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transsexual Coalition! 73

TO RELAX wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:35 PM:Uh.... saying these guys are not axe murderers, etc... is so lame! Was it not a gay guy who killed Versace and was on the run for a month?? Being Gay does not make you exempt from being an "axe murder" or a "child molestor", etc.

To Oceansider.... wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:32 PM:Believe me we won't be extinct. I just don't want your lifestyle and choices you make thrown into my face or that of my children. Let's see what happens in NOV. but then again.....Californian will say no to gay marriages, the GL communities will cry...and the american voices will be overturned

Bob wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:42 PM:Serious question- I'm in the middle on this. I think a man and a man or a woman and a woman can have whatever relationship they want together. California has domestic partnerships, but it's my understanding that same sex marriages don't have the same all around benefits. Why not extend those benefits to domestic partnerships? Marriage is a religious ceremony that the government recognises. Leave marriage for where religion says it's ok, and leave domestic partenerships to where government says it's ok. What's the big deal? The one thing I don't agree with is proclaiming that one is "proud" of being "gay". I don't proclaim that I'm "proud" of having sexual relations with a woman. I think all "straight" men and women have people that they're close with, but to have sexual contact with them is a choice. I don't care to hear about it straight or gay. So instead of promoting events about a sexual choice, why not promote events for civil rights equality between government recognised marriage, and government issued domestic partnerships? Seems simple.

Grump wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:40 PM:Lets see....I don't think homosexuality is normal so that makes me a bigot? I have been around gay people since moving to California in 92, I work with some and get along with them just fine. I once worked security at the gay pride event in D.C. and have seen news clips of ones in SD, I know what the definition of normal is, and what goes on at those events does not meet that definition.

To Bob wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:40 PM:Bob,
you are not proud of being straight because you have never been discriminated against it. Have any heterosexual being killed or put into a lager just to be straight for more than 2000 years? Not really.
Being Proud is part of not hiding anymore or being afraid of coming out.

Marriage is the highest form of equality that our Constitution recognizes, it is not just a matter of wording but in order to give to Domestic Partnerships the same rights as marriage you will will have to create Equal but separate status for both which has been already recognize to be unconstitutional. You are right, it is a matter of Equal rights for both, this is why the Prides are to celebrate equality and nothing else.
If you are for equal rights than you should Vote No on Proposition 8 that, if passes will take that equality away.
Last thing, marriages have historically been Civil Contract that the Churches have also Celebrated and not vice-versa. When you get married, where do you get your marriage license in Church of at your local government office?
I thought so.

Grump wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:45 PM:Radman..,cannibalism and head shrinking have been going on for thousands of years, are they normal behavior too?

To to Bob wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:53 PM:Over the last 2000 years straights have been discriminated against in several ways. We are being discriminated against when we vote for something then it is taken away from us. This is showing our youth that democracy only works when a group pays off political officials.

Marriage from the beginning has been between a woman and a man. It will ALWAYS be that way.

We can not wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:02 PM:bring Christian education into our schools, so why is it going to be ok for homosexuality to be introduced into our schools? Can some one please explain that to me? I can tell you my kids and 1000 and 1000's of others will be absent that day. Oh yeah, I forgot the schools won't have to notify parents when this day occurs. We are loosing control over what is being introduced to our kids.

NC time: I have written 4X why don't you post it? Are pro homosexuality? Just like you are anti cop!

Bob wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:12 PM:When I got married, it was a religious ceremony. I got the marriage license from a government agency for government benefits. I don't need it to say I'm married. Back to the whole pride thing-- really, no one ever killed anyone for loving someone of the same gender- they killed because they had sex with someone of the same gender.
You've got to know your audience too. A white guy can't walk into the middle of Harlem and shout "white pride" without expecting some trouble, a black guy can't sit in the middle of a NASCAR event and make out with a white woman without some problems. Not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to (freedom of speech and all), but geeze- it's not really all that smart to do. That's just the way it is. Hold hands. Kiss. Do whatever- so long as it's nothing more than what a typical straight couple would do in public. I've seen some crazy things on tv coming from the gay pride parades- and let me tell ya-- it's not helping your cause.
As far as separate but equal, well, yes, I think it should be, because a man having sexual contact with a man is really very different than a woman having same contact with a man. I mean, that's all we're really talking about. I don't think anyone, anywhere, can think it's wrong to love someone else in a way greater than just friends (because we all do), but the difference is still behind closed doors. And for clarification, I didn't say I wasn't pround of being straight, I just said, in not so many words, that I don't go announcing it to the world. It's no one elses business but my own. I haven't decided which way to vote, but I think you need a better approach before I can be convinced.

Guy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:15 PM:When was the last time we have had a "straight" parade with people prancing around the street in ridicules outfits and dancing around like fairies.
They want their rights and for people not to discriminate against them, and yet they make absolute spectacles of themselves.

Coming Out wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:40 PM:We do not need a Coming out Party...... Please what about Family days, not Gay Days ....This is Disgusting....Please keep to yourselves..Maybe Brad Pitt will be there.. lol

robert wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:19 PM:bigots??? do you even no what a bigots is it sure is not someone against gay people i do not want them in my neighborhood at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Think4yourself wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:31 PM:Let's do some math. What % of Americans are gay? Is it 3%? If that is the case, why are we compelled to turn traditional institutions upside down for 3% of the population? If the gay community would stop being so damn defensive and hyper sensitive about how they are viewed perhaps things would normalize faster? Most people don't care if you are gay - do your thing and be happy - just stop telling everyone about your personal business and keep your dignity. Some things are best kept private.

To Radman wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:40 PM:You kind of missed the whole point. YOU are speaking out about intolerance toward homosexuality. Yet at the same time showing the same intolerance toward religion. That's called hypocrisy. BTW, I think you are the one that needs to study history. You can start by reading about how many people were killed in Russia and China under communist regimes.

to Thinkforyourself wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:16 PM:Ok then.
Let's try to keep my relationship of over 15 years private.
What does that really means?
Being gay is not only about who you sleep with, it's your entire life, emotions, love, and family.
Can you imagine yourself keeping your other half a secret everyday? at work? at school? with other families? what kind of life are you proposing for others to live? and what happens if others find out? It is right for me to get punished right?
You believe on freedom of speech but have hard time to recognize dignity to a human life.
What is your fear? that someone might convince you otherwise? (by the way government statistics shows that 10% of the population is out and gay, that does not include some of your friends or kids that are certainly not happy to trust and share with you their sexual preferences).
Your reasoning is full of fallacies, first you want us to do our things and be happy but then you ask us to be secretive.
What else you want us to do to decorate your house and then to disappear too?
"thinkforyourself" you really need some more critical thinking in your life, what a pity!

jvc wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:33 PM:Why condemn Gays for having genes that
ordained them attracted to the same sex?

Not the Schools wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:21 AM:To Radman... Of course they know, so why do we need someone from some LGBT organization showing up to "educate" them? The schools have a hard enough time teaching subjects like math, history, and english, and you would have them tackle something as personal, and inherently sexual, as LGBT issues?

An event at the community center is something people have a choice about attending. But that isn't the case for kids in school.

Over the years, I've had gay friends, and I've had gay co-workers. And now, there are a few adults who just happen to be gay that have a very positive influence in the lives of my kids. That's been my choice. It didn't take attending any big rallies, or parades, or special training at school.

If one wants to be treated as normal, then they should just act normal. I've seen a lot more people come to accept gays through first having just regular interactions with them, and then finding out later, at times much to their surprise, they were gay. I don't know anyone that has ever changed their minds about how they felt about this because of a big "coming out" rally.

So, no head in the sand here my friend. But I do question the motives of those that feel the need to "make" people accept them. Sounds a little insecure to me, and probably a lot more about them than the rest of us.

disgusted wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:20 AM:I don't want my child growing up thinking your lifestyle is right! Thats my personal choice. I don't want you in the schools telling my child that's homosexuality is right. To me it's not. To you, my Christian ways are wrong...but you don't see me shoving it down your throat. I don't see how taking My God out of schools is right but you can put your lifestyle in there?

lady wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:52 AM:NO on 8. They better not be spending MY property taxes I pay here in Oceanside for any of this "education",tired of my dollars going to "things" others feel they NEED!!! I agree with some on here. It's YOUR business,NOT ALL of ours Keep it that way....

Monogamy Love Commitment wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:54 AM:By Duke Helfand, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 11, 2008

QUOTE "California's six most senior Episcopal bishops Wednesday unanimously declared their opposition to a constitutional amendment on the statewide November ballot that would ban same-sex marriage.

The bishops argued that preserving the right of gays and lesbians to marry would enhance the "Christian values" of monogamy, love and commitment." ENDQUOTE

And more info in the LATimes report.

to Not to school wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:51 AM:Dear friend,
you should really be closer to your kids school education and programs. If you were, you would know that no programs in any public school in California can address sexual education. What these kids are thought (and is already in part happening) is to respect diversity, and all of them. That hate is wrong and that people have the right to be who they are. Do you have a problem with your kids leaning how not to hate and respect others beliefs and religions? or being more tolerant? Is this that is bothering you so much or you really think that teachers are going to teach sexual material when is against the law?
Another advise, please do not say that you have gay friends, you sound like those people that by being racists they remind us that have black friends around them.

Please pay more attention to your kids education, obviously you really need to get more involved.

bruce wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:53 AM:Assuming that gays want all the same things in life as everyone else- why is it necessary to flaunt their sexuality in people's faces?
When you see guys dancing on floats in their underwear, drag queens, bulldikes, my question is- what did these people do for society that is SO important as to warrant a parade?
Try to organize a heterosexual pride parade and all the "tolerant" people will be calling you a bigot.

Thats it wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:01 AM:Stay out of our town. We gave you Hillcrest to live free among those that are like you. We don't want your diversity. Leave us straight people alone and STOP CRAMMING YOUR LIFESTYLE DOWN OUR THROATS!

I used to be a live and let live kind of person, not judging, mind my own business. but when groups like this want to force there lifestyle on me thats enough.

The does this kind of crap so they get a reaction so they can call people hater. Well you bet I will be out there in full force protesting this event!!!!!!!!!

Lets all come out wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:02 AM:Why stop at gay/lesbian/transgender in your celebration of diversity? Why not include polygamy? And if you can change our society's hang-up on issues of consent, then you can include zoophilia and pedophilia. What about necrophilia?

Non-acceptance of these lifestyles only shows that you are ignorant, bigoted, hateful, and discriminatory. Until the day that I can marry my neighbor's dead puppy I will not join in your celebration of diversity.

GAYS ARE THE BIGOTS wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:03 AM:GAYS , WHY DO YOU WANT ME TO TOLERATE U?

YOU REFUSE TO TOLERATE MY RELIGIOUS VIEWS DON'T YOU?

YOU ARE THE BIGOTS!

Ur sexuality is a private matter wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:11 AM:Why must gays flaunt their gayness. Sexuality is a private matter whether you are straight , Gay, Bi or a total nymph. Its no ones business. Lets keep it that way.

To Disgusted wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:14 AM:this is for PUBLIC schools so the system needs to openly teach and nurture EVERYONE including our LGBT students. If you have a problem with it send your kids to private Christian schools. Just make sure they take REAL AP classes so they can get into college ;)

Gay friends wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:16 AM:I love when people condone homosexuality, claim to not be a bigot, and then remind people they have gay friends. What kind of friend tells another friend they aren't worthy enough of the same happiness?

You may consider yourself a good Christian, but you sure are a horrible friend.

Flaunt wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:23 AM:the Community doesn't FLAUNT our sexuality. Our Pride Parades are a celebration of who we are through expressing ourselves in a very over-the-top artistic way. I'm not going to say that they're aren't moments of "whoa that seems a bit much" haha, but it's a way of shouting out just how comfortable and happy we are to be the way we are. You can think what you want about GLBT people and you can pass all the bills and laws you want against them, but if you took the time to talk with your kids you'd realize that all your 'hard work' is just going to be reversed when your kids get older. Why? because of school programs that teach diversity in school!

aDAMANT wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:55 AM:Vote YES on PROP 8!!!!

To Flaunt wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:39 AM:exactly.you have said what the politcal gain is on this whole mess. However....it is NOT the business of the school to teach diversity. It is the business of the schools to teach reading writing and math. We can't celebrate Christmas at schools because if separation and church then why do they think it's ok to try and teach "diverse ways of life"? We as parents also get punished if our children are not at school that day with out and excused absence. Who is making these rules. Not only am I loosing my right as to what is taught to my children, but I am also being punished for wanting my children away from all of this. Where is my rights as a parent? Can you please tell me that!! It is not the business of MY tax dollars to educate children on gay and lesbians....


VOTE NO ON 8 It is time to start have our straight and proud of it parades!!

Count Crapola wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:42 AM:I have a gay nephew who is out. He is one of the most well-adjusted, kind, respectful, responsible people I know.

One day, he may find someone with whom he wishes to commit his life to, mentally, physically, spiritually, financially, and legally. When and if that day comes, I want him to be able to have the benefits that come with such a responsible commitment. I don't want the bigots of this world, be they religious or secular, to tell this wonderful human being that he can't. Such a marriage harms those bigots not at all, and bigotry in any form is evil and wrong.

I'm voting NO on Prop. B. The times they are a'changin'.

NO ON 8 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:47 AM:Everyone is entitled to personally feel anyway they want to about homosexuality. The church is also entitled to perform or deny same-sex ceremonies as they choose as well. However, we're not talking about personal feelings or the operating practices of a private organization. We're talking about denying someone the right to participate in a publicly initiated and enforced contract based solely on sexual orientation and that is just plain wrong. Gay people pay the same taxes as straight people and are entitled to share in the benefits of said tax payments just as they are expected to share in the downsides too.

FTM wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:11 PM:Wow, where do i start . . .

Look, a word of advice for the NCLGB: go slow, and be gentle. Do good works in the community. SERVE THE COMMUNITY FIRST and your gay agenda will come around by itself. Also: BE CONSERVATIVE! Yes! BLEND IN with the rest of North County and they will accept you with open arms! Most gay people I know are like me - they are consrvative, go to church, and are monogomous. They too stuggle with the moral standards but they still try as hard as they can to be good citizens and by doing that they have won our hearts.

I honestly don't think most of the negative talk here on this blog is from Oceanside people. We have a saying here in Oceanside:

"We hate everyone except our own".

To truly love Oceanside is to live here and commit. If a gay person is willing to commit to my community as a good citizen then that gay person is "one of ours".

We might disparage stereo typical gays in Washington whom we see as a big mouthed protestors talking down to us all the time - but that's not a fair description of the gay community in Oceanside, and I hope they take this opportunuty to prove it.

Good people are always welcome in Oceanside.

Family wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:21 PM:As a lesbian and mom of a 1 1/2 year old, let me tell you that we can have families. And they are just as real as heterosexual families.

What happens when a hetro couple are having a hard time getting pregnant, they don't just stop there. They go to a fertility specialist. Sometimes, this means they stop there and adopt, sometimes there are minor medical processes they go through. One is to conceive in the doctor's office through non-traditional insemination (meaning no sex). This does not mean in vitro. No one has a problem if a hetro couple goes this route, but if a lesbian couple does, it's not a family. This is a huge double standard. And as for adoption, every kid deserves a loving home. And 2 men or 2 women can provide that, they why should we stand in the way.

My daughter is the light of my life and all I want for her is the same as any hetro parent.

And marriage does mean something to our children. That's why my wife and I got married. It's important to our daughter. VOTE NO ON PROP 8 PLEASE!!!!!!

30 Years... wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:39 PM:Please, Please Vote YES on Prop 8, To Save Our Family Values and our Religious Values for what our Country Stand and Lives by...Save Our Family and Marriage and Religious Values...Thank You... A Married Woman for 30 years..

To 30 Years wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:19 PM:I respect your choice to vote Yes on Prop 8. I don't agree with it, but I do respect it.

I do, however, have a problem with your reasoning ... "To Save OUR Family Values, OUR Religious Values, OUR Country ... etc."

My question is a simple one. While you are able to establish and speak up for YOUR Family Values, YOUR Religious Values, etc ... what do you feel gives you the right to speak for me and MY Family Values, MY Religious Values, etc?

I too am a married heterosexual woman and I fail to see what Prop 8 does to either benefit or harm me in any way, shape or form.

Keep your opinions. They are yours and you have every right to them. Just don't use YOUR feelings to speak for MINE.

Del Sol wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:47 PM:This is another example of why us proud Latinos must take this countrie back. Stop making a mokerie out of marrage or there will be no new babies born. how can two men make a baby you cant it is not natural unless you are in prison then it ok only till you get out but that another story.

What they dont tell you wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:30 PM:What this newspaper and the media don't tell you are the consequences of homosexuality. Shorten life span, AIDS and misc other STDs, suicide, sadomasochism, pedophilia, etc. Research it out yourself on Google. Type in "Consequences of Homosexuality" and see what you get.

Society is legitimately concerned with health risks-- they impact our taxes and everyone's chances of illness and injury. Because we care about them, smokers are discouraged from smoking by higher insurance premiums, taxes on cigarettes and bans against smoking in public. These social pressures cause many to quit. They likewise encourage non-smokers to stay non-smokers.

Homosexuals are sexually troubled people engaging in dangerous activities. Because we care about them and those tempted to join them, it is important that we neither encourage nor legitimize such a destructive lifestyle.

Vote for traditional marriage on November ballot. Vote YES on prop 8!

To Del Sol wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:36 PM:Man..There are so many Latinos'gays in North County that sometimes I wonder how they we can even reproduce.

Most of them are in the closet because of this macho culture where gays are considered less than a human being.( i am latino myself) So what they do, they marry, have lots of babies to prove their masculinity, have unprotected sex with other men and then go back to their families and infect their wifes with HIV. Then they continue to go to church and preach against Gay people. This hipocrisy of hiding is costing lifes every year and usually those that are so hateful against gay people, are the ones that more willing to compromise behing a closed door.

To What They Dont Tell You wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:13 PM:Right ... because straight people don't get AIDS or other STD's. Straight people don't commit suicide. Straight people also don't practice sadomasochism, pedophilia, etc.

I agree there are certain pairings that are illegal due to medical concerns of birth defects and such (brothers & sisters can't marry each other for example) ... but to suggest the same types of factual fears apply only to homosexual individuals is a pretty tall order to sell.

OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:34 PM:To all the homophobes posting on here: Just remember a few things:
#1: Poll after poll shows that over 55% of California voters will vote NO to prop 8, the hate measure which would ban same-sex marriage. #2: Those who don't want gays moving into "their" neighborhoods parallel those who didn't want minorities moving into "their" neighborhood. Now that's ancient history and minorities can move anywhere they want. #3: You are a small minority yourselves now, as the polls show. #4: Those are not "your" neighborhoods. All that is "yours" is the little ticky tacky tract house you might live in. #5: Research shows that gay haters are mostly uneducated and low income. and #6: Many who say that they hate gays are hypocrites and are actually gays in the closet trying to hide what they have been taught is bad. A congressman and a senator made headlines when it was revealed that publicly they strongly condemned gays but their private behavior was gay. Think about it.

Bill wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:35 PM:So much for that church and state thing eh Bob?

To What They Dont Tell You wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:46 PM:To What They Dont Tell You

You did not write the truth.

Seemingly you are reading "Medical Consequences of what Homosexuals Do" which is written by Paul Cameron, Ph.D.

Cameron is not a physician, not a medical doctor. He did not go to Medical School and get a medical degree to practice medicine.

Ph.D. has nothing to do with being a medical doctor, board certified, able to practice medicine. Ph.D. is not qualified to write or interpret medically peer reviewed documents.

His non-professional report contains information from 1971 to 1993. 15 years old. Not up to date.

The Family Research Institute of Colorado Springs, Colorado is only interested in teaching falsehoods that homosexuals do not deserve to be treated equally.

Homosexuals deserve the same rights that you do.

Vote NO on prop 8.

respect diversity tolerance wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:55 PM:Religion cannot be taught in the Public Schools. You can wear religious items.

Homosexuality is not a religion.

Hope respecting others, understanding diversity, teaching tolerance is being taught.

TO protect marriage wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:03 PM:There are probably much more divorces in man/woman marriages than in same sex marriages.

vote NO prop 8

JSten wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:09 PM:As an American, I believe that people should have the right to live their life the way they want to.

I also believe that one of roles organized religion has undertake is to dictate where, how, and under shat circumstances we as people engage our naughty bits. Since this is in conflict with my first paragraph, if reject the assertion that they will tell me what to do and where to do it.

I also believe that where and what I do as a personal being is my exclusive business and not really a matter for wider discussion. I would like for [others] to likewise show a little class, and keep their private life private. Its not too much to ask.

But since the Lakeys of the societies of men with funny hats seem hell bent to take on the people which I would like to see their private lives kept private, have at it. Maybe after you two pound the stuffing out of each other we can all look back, smile and muse at how at that one time, we were really a very rude lot.

JSten wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:13 PM:Oh and one other thing

Its just clothing-just think of it as halloween, if you must.

John wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:31 PM:What exactly IS it about the homosexual orientation that makes homosexuals believe that they have to:

1.) announce it to the whole world (e.g. in "Pride Parades"), and

2.) get everyone to acknowledge their "difference" BECAUSE OF thier sexual orientation?

I don't see HETEROSEXUALS doing either of the above!

Perhaps the banner that these "advocates" should be confronted with is: SO WHAT! WHO CARES?
WHY DOES THE WORLD NEED TO KNOW?

P.S. And "grow out of it"! might not be bad either!

It is time.. wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:33 PM:to put an end to gay marriages.....period. Californian's already said NO!!!!! It's easy to say....JUST SAY NO!!!

3 Cents wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:00 PM:I don't have a "straight pride" parade, why should homosexuals.

I don't advertise what I do in my bedroom, why do they?

robert wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:06 PM:VOTE YES ON 8

robert wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:09 PM:we dont want gay marriages at all vote yes on 8

YES ON 8 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:36 PM:VOTE YES ON 8

to OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:56 PM:In your fake poll dreams. Skew the polls all you want , but as u can see a majority of the post are against Gay lifestyles.

How the heck do people expect to recieve rights for a life style that can not be proved?

The only proof to Gay rights is to say one is Gay?

OK, so if I say I'm Gay and I'm not, do I get special treatment. Good grief. Keep your Sex life to yourself otherwise I will start the first Straight pride parade among many other cram it down your throat religious straight events.

Becareful what you ask for it could blow up in your face.

We don't care about your gayness!

JOIN me wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:57 PM:Oct 11, to protest this event. I will be there in full force with my VOTE YES on 8

Yes on Proposition 8 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:03 PM:Proposition 8 is an initiative measure on the 2008 California General Election ballot. If passed it would amend the California Constitution with a new section that would read "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." The measure, as submitted for the ballot by petitioners, is called the "California Marriage Protection Act."[1][2] The ballot title, as prepared by the Attorney General Jerry Brown, is "Eliminates Right of Same-sex Couples to Marry.

To Join me wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:48 PM:You are free to come and organize a protest. That will give us even more importance and free advertisement for our Event. Please call all your friends, get a police permit (you reall