Ask wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:12 PM:How sad.

Years to come, there will be a special on this. It will be viewed as a major mistake and a huge blow to the environment.

For the folks who got the water cut up north, they need to come down here and work some mojo.

Dude wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:16 PM:We need this toll road now!!!Tell the dope smoking surfers and environmental wackos to take a hike. Think of all the jobs this project is going to create!!!!

Ask More wrote on Sep 20, 2008 5:51 PM:If approved, this highway should continue on south through the oceanside, carlsbad, la jolla, pacific beach areas as well. Make the whole cost a long freeway.

Just think of all the jobs that would create!

To Ask More wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:55 AM:I think we already have a freeway through Oceanside, Carlsbad, La Jolla, and Pacific Beach. It's called Interstate 5, and it's been there for almost 50 years. And you know what, it has helped create jobs. Probably the ones that brought either us or our parents here.

I guess we can't expect the opponents of the toll road to actually base their arguments on facts, even when they are as solid and concrete as an 8-lane freeway.

The poll says it all, but don't expect that to stop the activists from showing up by the hundreds, claiming to speak for us all, when clearly they don't.

Bob wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:26 AM:You are a dude. That study wss paid for by the toll road builders. How about putting a toll road through your neighborhood? You need to look further than your nose when it comes to protecting what little open and evironmentally senitive habitats are left. They won't hire you anyway.

speck on the map wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:06 AM:Bob,
If you want a lot of "evironmentally senitive habitats" move to Jamul or Grass Valley. LA and San Diego counties are huge metropolis' with lots and lots of people. I always get a kick out of folks who claim "it's all concrete, there is no nature left". Do yourself a favor and take a flight to San Francisco sometime and take a look out the window. California has hundreds of thousands of more acres that are undeveloped the it has developed. If you want to escape the concrete jungle and get back to nature, you are living in the wrong area.

Im Staying wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:30 AM:How about thinning the ranks of construction workers looking for jobs by not building this boondoggle! Let them relocate elsewhere!

Construction Worker wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:18 AM:Hey "I'm staying", next time you need a water heater installed, new lights installed, a new fence installed, flood damage repaired, fire damage repaired etc., etc., etc. don't call a construction worker. Do it yourself Einstein.

Construction Worker wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:24 AM:and while your at it Einstein, take that attitude with you down to City Hall when you pull your permit. I'm sure you'll get great service from the plan checkers and building inspectors when they find out you want them out of town.

Of course the union wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:35 AM:But of course the unions are first in line to get a handout.

They'd pave over their own house to get a buck.

Im Staying wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:02 AM:Hey Construction Worker, next time I will do it myself. When it takes 2 union electricians to change a light-bulb, one realizes what a joke organized labor can be!

Surfer wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:56 AM:I surf every day in Oceanside and surf Trestles once a month. I'M IN FAVOR OF THE TOLL ROAD. Environmental propaganda has misled most of the masses on this project. The fact is the I-5 has been there for quite some time and it hasn't altered Trestles wave. The fact is the ocean environment is always changing. The wave at Trestles is constantly changing. All this without a toll road. Just recently in 1983 there was a major change to the wave's direction that happened naturally. With the new toll road the water will actually be cleaner. Read the plans for the TCA's installation of water catch basins/purifiers that they would install on the toll road AND I-5. In private my fellow surfers show a total lack of understanding about the project. They just read on Surfline how Trestles will be paved over. In reality there will be a 4 lane "off-ramp" that heads East north of Basilone Road and completes a needed north south arterie in South OC. South SDiegans -- try imagining South San Diego without the 805. Imagine if everyone had to use I-5 and there was no other option? I'm going surfing....good day.

To Speck on the Map wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:18 PM:You don't understand ecosystems. Jamul and grass valley are nothing like the proposed freeway area. The area under consideration is quite unique. Coastal sage enviroments are almost all gone, this is one of the last coastal areas left intact. If you had a clue you'd know how precious this area is. It is worth much more to Southern Californians as it is than it would be with another noisy polluting freeway. We don't need more freeways, and we definitely don't need any more elitest toll roads. Let the Orange County elite build roads in Orange County, but keep them the hell out of San Diego County! The money would be much better spent by installing dedicated mass transit railways down the center of the existing freeways. Oh, I forgot. Orange County Humvee drivers don't do mass transit! NOT OUR PROBLEM!

Speck on the Map wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:32 PM:To Speck on the Map @ 12:18 PM. Very good post. It is refreshing to see a poster here simply state their position (your position is solid)in rebuttal without getting angry or using personal attacks.

Good job!

Oh Brother wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:49 PM:To "surfer", it's so obviously you're a shill for the toll road. Everything you wrote is the BS they are handing out. Shame on you.

Karl wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:03 PM:Shame on Surfer? For what? Having a different opinion than yours? Nice!

Dominion wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:30 PM:I am sure tomorrow's hearing will be Woodstock all over again. I wish all the slackers opposed to public projects would either a. get a job or b. move to Berkeley or Santa Monica with their other unemployed, unkempt fellow radicals. The enviro wackos ought to be ashamed of themselves with the lies they put out just to raise a few dollars from susceptible donors.

JSten wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:54 PM:It seems to me that everyone is willing to stretch the blanket when this issue is concerned. No wonder the public is detached. It doesn't require genius to read and see that most of what is said, by people on both sides, are at best exaggerations, and more than likely much worse.

Surfer wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:16 PM:I'm no toll road shill. I don't work for the TCA. I own my own company in Oceanside and I surf the harbor every day. Come on down and meet me if you'd like.

What does your side hand out as far as facts?

Schmoes wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:57 PM:Great. Promoting a road that creates jobs. First of all, no way to prove that. Secondly, who gives a rip. You want a concrete strip to be this area's legacy for now until eternity for a couple of jobs? Get a grip. When you're dead and gone, do you think the locals 200 years from now are going to be of the same opinion as you? Doesn't matter at that point, you're supporting the permanent destruction of something that's been untouched by us schmoes since about forever, but those future schmoes would have to live with it. But they might have a couple of jobs from it too right. That's why we're here, right, so we can have jobs?

Dude wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:21 PM:All of you left of center, no growth, medicinal marijuana is good "types" need to realize that most people work for a living and need to move their bodies to numerous different locations to make ends meet. This road is probably going to be the most environmentally friendly construction project ever. To all that oppose the toll road, just realize that we-the silent majority- don't share your socialist values.

Dont.... wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:00 PM:let them build it, this is just another huge conglomerate stealing public lands so they can turn a profit, once they get this strip of land, they will be pushing to grab whats left of the open coastline < Camp Pendleton > and build it out so it'll look like Orange County from New Port to TJ

what does it matter wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:02 PM:sooner or later we'll have lovely offshore oil platforms to take our minds off this issue.

Ask Why wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:54 PM:If this highway is so crucial, it would be a public road, not private.