Any Sustainability Systems wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:12 PM:Looking to know if there is any sustainability systems in the plans?

Especially for water & electric?

We know grey water & reclaimed water systems are cheaper when put in first.

It is more expensive to go backwards and replace with sustainability. So why not do it right the first time?

Also with planning for a solar grid its much more cost effective when done the first go around rather than ripping out the old to replace with new.

So are these concepts in the future plans?? We all hope so.

Go Green.

Karl wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:44 PM:I believe that "grey water" is still against building codes. I haven't seen the code ammended and I am one of the ammenders in the City that I live in. We had a case several years ago where the city had to condemn a well because the renters "grey water" made it to the well and infected it with ecoli.

Natural habitat wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:39 PM:Why not allow this property to revert back to is natural state. Maybe some day people can view what this area was once like in its un-touched state.

I agree with wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:57 PM:Natural Habitat. Can you imagine how torn up Oceanside Blvd will be from all those heavy trucks going to and from the El Corazon property hauling dirt, building materials, etc.? "In the long term, the construction of El Corazon is likely to significantly affect air quality and traffic on nearby streets, the environmental report states. City Planner Jerry Hittleman told the council it would add more than 30,000 vehicles trips per day."
30,000 car trips per day, ugh! Where are the neighborhood groups, why aren't they all up in arms over this potential threat to the quiet communities surrounding this site?

Pirate wrote on Sep 22, 2008 12:48 AM:I remember that it was Rocky Chavez who led the effort to form the El Corazon Committee after Prop M failed. Prop M, supported by Sanchez and Wood, would have resulted in this land sitting unused, meaning no soccer fields, etc, into the distant future. It is easy to vote no, but Rocky showed real leadership in getting this done. I also remember that he appointed people from both sides to the El Corazon Committee. This type of leadership is an example of why Rocky should be elected mayor. Oceanside would be able to get things done.

Out of Touch wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:25 AM:"At last week's meeting, Councilwoman Esther Sanchez asked when construction of the soccer fields could happen. She said she was eager for people to start using the property". As soon as you find the money to build the infrastructure and then the fields. You were the one who floated Measure M Sanchez without regard to cost. Visioning without the ability to implement is just a waste of time, the list grows too long under your watch; Mission Blvd, Downtown Pedestrian Plan, Ocean Front Plan, Oceanside Blvd Corridor Plan and now the Coast Hwy Corridor Plan. It looks impressive to do all these plans, but it is really all just a waste of paper without the funding for implementation.

lady wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:50 AM:ARE they "nuts". Oceanside Bld. is already getting torn up,I live over in that area no one had a clue when they built that road. Hotels give me a break.
The wasted time & money on ALL these plans???

tcm wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:54 AM:any thougts on getting the police department out of its current shopping center anchor location?

FTM wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:40 AM:Fer crying out loud people it's a snad pit! Habitat my butt!

This plan will restore more habitat than that place would have ever seen sitting as a huge dump site for green waste.

I'm glad they are progressing forward.

Also, there are small retail concerns built into the plan that belong to the park so those concerns profits go into paying for the park operation.

Tyron has done well on phase two. The plan is good. Phase three is going to be a lot harder: (building the thing!)

Oceanside at its finets moment again wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:52 AM:Just do it already! Stop litening to all these foolsih freaks! It will impact us either way! You do nothing with it and the only people using it will be the transients who have camps there and are squating on sitting prooerty. We all know what happens when a person squats! PU!

Talk is cheap wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:11 AM:One of the original plans talked about was a safety center in that location. OPD got a old super market instead, already too small.(even got police cars parking in the public lot)I agree with "Out of Touch", Too many commitees, too many meeting. You know what they say about sitting on the pot, do something or get off and stop all the political talking and do what you promise, PART OF THE PROPERTY FOR SAFETY, one or two less soccer fields won't hurt you.

Radman wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:51 AM:This could have been a world class golf course. Shari Makin & Esther Sanchez decided that this land should be parkland without a way to build it or maintain it. They stopped the Manchester hotel that would have been a 5 star to pay more subsidies for a 4 star hotel and a sand pit that will still be there 20 years from now. The hotel they are trying to build now is costing way more than Manchester was asking and the golf course would have attracted tourists from all over the world.

Johny On The Spot wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:43 AM:Makin and Sanchez are why Carlsbad is a world class tourist destination and Oceanside is still.... well, just Oceanside.

It is hard to have prosperity without some kind of growth. Managed growth is best, but Oceanside needs to put their money where their mouth is.

The hotel project by the pier has been wallowing for 25 years and still not hotel. Most people who live in Oceanside do not remember when this project was actually started by Jim Watkins more than two dozen years ago.

The no growth people have stymied this project and meanwhile kept Oceanside a Marine town and a haven for lowlifes, while Carlsbad has built world class hotels and a huge tourist industry that makes it a much more desirable place to live.

Hence the property values in Carlsbad reflect this fact.

Just when I thought the city was FINALLY going to get their stuff together and let change happen downtown, we have the city council doing what it does best. Stopping the growth of the downtown from a seedy grimy place into a nice tourist destination.

Just the facts wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:08 PM:Proposition M included language that would allow for commercial and retail uses on site to pay for the park. Rocky had NOTHING to do with wanting a park -- he proudly boasted that he defeated Prop M by confusing the public. Sanchez has been a champion from the very beginning. Thank you councilmember Sanchez!

Grey Water FACTS see proof of Ca. laws below wrote on Sep 22, 2008 6:27 PM:Mr. Karl, seems you are one of those who like to depress any clean technologies aspiring in Oceanside.

Here is the truth people can read, & prosper and SAVE OUR DRINKING WATER...

GREEN IS IN, and Wastfulness, we all can't afford.

Why not divert shower water to the lawn, instead of sending it to the sewer? Plants don't mind a little soap and, well, skin cells. And the savings aren't hard to imagine when you consider that even with all those low-flow fixtures installed, the potable water you lavish on shrubs draws significantly on your fresh-water supply. So does that clean water you tap for flushing, which in some states can be substituted with the effluent from your sink.

Redirecting gray water for such uses isn't always easy. In fact, because conventional plumbing systems combine gray water with "black" post-toilet-flush water in the same drainpipe, separating them in a code-compliant manner requires an entire parallel wastewater system alongside your existing main sewer line—installed by a professional. But it's the long-term savings stretched out over the life of your mortgage, years after the retrofit's paid for, that are so compelling. ReWater Systems manufacturer Steve Bilson projects that a family of four can save anywhere from $300 to $600 annually by diverting gray water just for irrigation. Even in code-happy California, where a system might run you close to $7,000, it's possible to reduce your use of fresh water so much that a retrofit pays for itself in about 10 years—in less time if you're in an area where you pay both water and sewer fees. In a home under construction, the installation costs can shrink to less than $600.

Opting for even one gray-water use can make a difference. If you have to choose, "irrigation's the most cost-effective, and it's legal in every state," Bilson says. Since he's put in roughly 800 systems and was a consultant on California's gray-water legislation, surely three retrofits he approves of are worth a look."

Rocky Uses Win as Stepping Stone wrote on Sep 22, 2008 7:54 PM:Rocky is not in this Mayor's Race for the People, Residents, or Citizens of Oceanside. what will he do to our town, build a resume on how many DIRTY Concrete, Asphalt, No Rent Control in Our City??

"Rocky for Mayor" campaign fund that he opened in 2004 preceding an unsuccessful three-way race with then-Mayor Terry Johnson and current Oceanside Mayor Jim Wood.

Documents for his mayoral account indicate that Chavez still owes $37,000, which he loaned himself during that campaign.

2006-Chavez was noncommittal about his plans for public office. In an interview last week, he said many have urged him to seek the state Assembly seat in California's 73rd District, which includes Oceanside, Camp Pendleton and a swath of coastal Orange County.

the future says wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:37 PM:Nothing will be built. Oside in nearly bankrupt