Floyd wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:10 AM:Overnight, stock markets around the world have been tanking because "the $700 billion bailout isn't enough". Heck, we already knew that because it doesn't fix the problem of nonperforming, unaffordable loans. What's needed is an effort to reduce the disparity between low wages and the high cost of living (homes, transportation, food, etc.) not to mention induced shortages caused by government mismanagement.

Mike wrote on Oct 6, 2008 3:49 AM:Debra Walker-if you were an illegal alien and your son was born here in the US of A, you would be getting $491 per month, every month until he is 18 yrs old! That's why we have a budget problem. Where's the OUTRAGE!!!

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:37 AM:>>>Sarah Palin is the hypocrite who would hide behind women's skirts while removing women's rights.>>> Heres a lib who would prefer the "diversity" of Rosie or Ellen to be VP. Liberals hate Palin because she stands for good moral values, not degenerate filth

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 5:39 AM:>>>Let us care about the animals>> Shirley, I'm going home and having a nice steak tonite, while you lightly sprink olive oil on your sprouts. You know, you really need to be kinder to vegetables

Ron wrote on Oct 6, 2008 6:18 AM:I just can't wait to get ole Bob Fisher out on the campaign trail for Old Joe O'Biden, ya know? LOL

He says: "He {Bush} and his minions subsequently misled Congress about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction..."

Now, far be it from me, but...
Have we not been told, that THE reason Barackous NObamaous chose Joe O'Biden was for his fireign policy expertise?
And if that is so...
Then how could this frat boy, this ole Texas rube, this silver spooner who couldn't even tie his own shoes without his daddy's help...
How in the heck did he ever... Ever pull the wool over on old Joe?
If Old Joe know's the world, and all...
ALL the world's players, how was GWB able to fool.. trick nim into voting to go to war?
And Knowing that in the last go-round, the First Gulf War in 1991, based on all... ALL of Old Joe O'Bidens expertise, experience, and knowledge
of foreigh policy, he voted NO...
when the entire world, including the UN said Hussein {not that Hussein, Saddam Hussein, not Barack Hussein Nobama}
but that Saddam Hussein needed to be forcably pushed back out of Kuwait, and back into Iraq.
And Bush still fooled Old Joe?
You really want to stay with that line of logic, there Old Bob? LOL

Now, of course...
it will be about this time I will get the appropiate liberal responses, they are:
Cheney, Hailliburton, Big Oil, Big Pharma, Arrrgggggggg!

Ron wrote on Oct 6, 2008 6:23 AM:Some interesting thoughts there by Joseph Grant.
In particular, fruit bats, and Natural Diversity.

Funny wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:18 AM:Chuck thinks Palin stands for "moral values" but given the example of her own and her daughter's out-of-wedlock pregnancies, my mother would beg to differ.

Oh ya, I forgot, Chuck's a comedian. Got it. Thanks, Karl. What would I do without you to tell me what's funny?

Worth a Read wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:20 AM:Excellent article posted online at Rolling Stone entitled "McCain, the Make-Believe Maverick". Google it today. I expect full rebuttal including sources from raoul later today.

Obama Comes wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:24 AM:The McCain Campaign is pulling out all the last minute stops and going after Obama full bore, with WILLIAM AYERS. Ho hum, I'll see your Ayers and raise you Keating 5. McCain is toast.

To Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:27 AM:I love steak and I am still going to vote for Prop 2. As Karl would say, take a chill pill dude.

Old Retired Person wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:43 AM:Deborah Walker is right, of course. The budget was balanced on the backs of the poor and downtrodden -- as usual. Maybe Deborah doesn't realize that lower income senior home owners also got a small break on their property taxes. No more!! And, for those of you, like Ron, who still live in the 50's -- low income in California these days is as much as $43,000 a year. Since many retired folk in their 80's or 90's made good salaries when working, but not as much as $50,000 annually, having a $35,000-$40,000 retirement income is nigh impossible. So, Ron, don't come up with how they didn't work and save like they should have. You know nothing about it.

to cluck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:45 AM:How can you compare vegetables to animals? I will continue to eat meat, but I don't want it slaughtered in a barbaric way.I don't want to know the meat on my plate was abused and ..who knows what before I bought it at the grocery store.Oh, one more thing, did you walk and bathe your pet cabbage today?

Vista Granny wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:50 AM:About those chickens and other abused food animals. You really are what you eat, you know, and eating the flesh (or eggs) from a filthy, miserable, maybe sick, abused animal doesn't sound healthy to me. Yes, I do eat some meat -- but not from supermarkets, ditto -eggs. And I won't eat veal under any circumstances. Only a sick person would do so. And may all the "great" chefs who serve it be damned.

to Mike wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:54 AM:If you were one of the 47% White/non-Hispanic people on welfare instead of working, then yeah, you are contributing to the budget problem as well. It's a shame so many of our own citizens prefer welfare over working because it provides more than minimum wage. The other statistics are 28% Black,19%Hispanic,6%Other.I'm more outraged about privileged citizens with rights draining our taxes when they have all the means to work and support themselves!

Misguided Republicans wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:56 AM:McCain supporters should do a google search on “make-believe maverick” to learn of the true story behind John McCain. Besides his plan to continue failed policies, he would make a frightening president. If you thought voting for Bush was a mistake, McCain will be a larger one. Just read the article.

SOUTH POWAY RESIDENT wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:58 AM:TO MARY MURRAY OF RAMONA: The fact that you live in Ramona, tells us everything we need to know. Of course you think a SUPERCENTER in Poway is a great idea --- Because you don't live anywhere near the proposed site. You will simply drive into Poway, adding to Poway's traffic congestion, buy a few cheap (non-taxable) groceries and then drive home to Ramona.

Those of us that live near the Wal-Mart site know very well what the expansion will bring -- more traffic, more congestion, more crime, more noise, more delivery trucks, more pollution. Basically more of everything we don't need more of -- especially from a 24-hour SUPERCENTER in the middle of a neighborhood.

The Wal-Mart site in the core of South Poway simply is not the right place for a huge 24-hour commercial business. This location is surrounded on 3 sides by apartments and homes filled with families and kids. Adding a SUPERCENTER would be a huge unnecessary burden and negative impact on this neighborhood.

Here's a suggestion: If you like the idea of a SUPERCENTER so much, then contact Wal-Mart and ask them to build it across the street from YOUR home in Ramona. Knock yourself out & shop there every day from the easy convenience of your own neighborhood.

Caro Hussein Cogitatus wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:06 AM:McSame & Palin are desperate. Palin's now referencing a New York Times article about Obama's supposed connection to 60's radical William Ayers in a transparent attempt to shift the focus away from the economy.

I encourage everyone to read the New York Times article Palin mentions, because it flat out disagrees with her guilt-by-association Swiftboating.

It was published on Oct 4th, and a simple Google search of "New York Times Obama Ayers" finds it near the top.

Read it and see how Palin is lying to you.

Then, look into her connection with the Alaskan Independence Party, which openly advocates seceding from the union and making Alaska a foreign country. Todd Palin was a dues-paying member as recently as 2002.

And she's painting Obama as unpatriotic?

The hypocrisy, it burns!

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:07 AM:NO on Prop. 4, aka "Sarah's Law".
Unlike most other "named" laws, this one has NO Sarah.
No Sarah in authorship,
No Sarah who was a victim,
NO Sarah at all, anywhere except those foolish Sarahs who might vote for it.
By the way,
I NEVER vote for a "named" law specifically because "naming" a law is intended to make people use emotion, rather than reason, to make people vote for it.
NEVER vote for a "named" law, ESPECIALLY if it is trying to Amend the California Constitution!
Regards, Alf.

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:19 AM:Well, "Vista Granny" at 7:50AM,
we differ on the subject of meat and eggs.
If we are what we eat I could be in real trouble.
"I cant help about the shape I'm in
I cant sing, I aint pretty and
my legs are thin" (done by Fleetwood Mac, written by peter green).
Oh, well.
Regards, Alf.

Ms M wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:20 AM:Obama Comes
[-] wrote on Oct 6, 2008 7:24 AM:....yes in deed! At noon eastern time there will be a 13 minute documentary released about McCain and his involvelment with the Keating 5. Oh my - do a google "Keating economics". This is in response to the McCain team attempting to associate Obama with Ayes - it's about time! The start of the pushback. Now that Palin was good enough to open the door about Rev. Wright - maybe we will hear more about her voodo religion. You know that old saying "folks who live in glass houses"..........

Low Hanging Fruit wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:21 AM:Gee, I got on my computer eager to respond to this morning's news and letters and, aw shucks, all the obvious points have already been made. But ya gotta admit, it was pretty low hanging, as fruit goes.
The McCain people are just making this thing waaaay too easy.
Sarah "Alaskan Independence Party" Palin talking about connections to the disloyal?
(calling a few chance meetings "palling around" compared to her HUSBAND's reportedly long-time membership in a separatist movement, and reports and videos circulating of her own addresses to their conventions.)
John "Charles Keating" McCain, who wrote letters butting his Senatorial nose into an official investigation of a constituent, supporter and high stakes donor, complaining about casual interactions with questionable people?
Phil "nation of whiners" Gramm, who spearheaded the "reforms" that precipitated the current climate of deregulatory abuse, writing McCain's economic policy and still hasn't been ruled out as a possible Secretary of the Treasury?

No wonder McSame wants to "turn the page" on talking about the economy.
No wonder Mr. "Straight Talk" who pledged no dirty campaigning now wants to personally lead the Swift Boat attacks.

Keep up the good work, Dems.

Its hardly meat wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:22 AM:When mammals are stressed, their bodies, like ours, produce certain hormones to help them cope with the stress. When stress is prolonged, and when efforts to avoid it or escape from it fail, the animals learn to become helpless, similar to some human severe depressions, and these also are accompanied by the kinds of biochemicals that produce lethargy, sleep problems, confusion, and general disruption and illness. The "illness" part is dealt with by massive doses of antibiotics, though any bacteria resistant to those antibiotics remain in the animal. This is what we eat when we eat "meat". Muscle and blood vessels loaded with chemicals associated with stress, helplessness, depression, confusion, despair, and a few highly resistant bacteria thrown in as icing. But hey! It's cheap! Pass the BBQ sauce, please.

Youre kiddint CHC wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:25 AM:Palin lying to us? No way! She is heterosexual, loves Jesus, can fire a gun, and doesn't blink. How can she be lying about anything? (We know she doesn't lie in court, because she ignores subpoenas, along with her hubby and her aides. So there too her values are much better than, say, Bill Clinton)

People get ready wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:27 AM:I've been reading how the sagging poll numbers of McCain/Palin have led their campaign chief (former Rove mentee) to decide to step up the negative ads about Obama and Biden. Great. We can all look forward to four weeks of non-stop slime and swiftboating. When McCain talks about "country over party", what country is he referring to? It sure ain't America.

SOUTH POWAY RESIDENT wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:35 AM:TO MARY MURRAY OF RAMONA: The fact that you live in Ramona, tells us everything we need to know. Of course you think a SUPERCENTER in Poway is a great idea --- BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE ANYWHERE NEAR THE PROPOSED SITE. You will simply drive into Poway, adding to Poway's traffic congestion, buy a few cheap (non-taxable) groceries and then drive home to Ramona.

Those of us that live near the Wal-Mart site know very well what the expansion will bring -- more traffic, more congestion, more crime, more noise, more delivery trucks and more pollution. Basically, more of everything we don't need more of -- especially from a 24-hour SUPERCENTER in the middle of a neighborhood.

The Wal-Mart site in the core of South Poway simply is not the right place for a huge 200,000 sq. ft. 24-hour commercial business. This location is surrounded on 3 sides by apartments and homes filled with families and kids. Adding a SUPERCENTER would be a huge unnecessary burden and negative impact on this neighborhood.

Here's a suggestion: If you like the idea of a SUPERCENTER so much, then contact Wal-Mart and ask them to build it across the street from YOUR home in Ramona. Knock yourself out & shop there every day from the easy convenience of your own neighborhood.

Chagne agents wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:49 AM:I see that the bailout bill had a big wad of pork tossed into it. How did our candidates vote on it? How stupid is the American voter?

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:50 AM:>>>(former Rove mentee) to decide to step up the negative ads about Obama and Biden. Great. We can all look forward to four weeks of non-stop slime and swiftboating.>>>
So, whats wrong with that. Apparently you havent been watching the likes of MSNBC, NBC, CNN and that ilk

Good point Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:56 AM:Why am I not surprised that of all of us, Chuck would be happy to hear that the campaign will get dirtier and more lie-based?

tjefferson wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:57 AM:Thank you John McCain for giving us Sarah Palin. The more she opens her mouth the higher Obama's poll ratings: today 50-43 Gallup, 52-44 Rasmussen nationally. In Ohio Obama leads 49-42, and in Minnesota 55-37. Here's some good news for Republicans. In Colorado a poll shows a dead heat, 44-44.

Karl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:58 AM:Steven Traugh "It's good to be an Independent". Indeed.

sdraoul wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:02 AM:Democratic Senator and presidential candidate John Glenn took wads of money from Charles Keating but like John McCain was absolved of any serious entanglement with Keating. Neither was keel hauled by the senate and the Democrat investigator said that after extensive investigation, McCain was guilty of no more than some "poor judgment " like Democrat "hero" John Glenn.

On the other hand, only being a Democrat saved California Alan Cranston from jail for he took almost a million dollars from Keating. Democrat Dennis DeConcini , the senior senator from Arizona was also on the take.

So, when Obama tries to raise the Keating scandal in the campaign, how does that rank with his own cash received from convicted criminal Tony Rezko? It doesn't. McCain never took money personally; Obama on the other hand took cash through the purchase of his residence.

Vista Grandpa wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:03 AM:A little folksy news :

Just yesterday I noticed that a neighbor who is, shall we say not poor, placed a Obama/Biden sign in his window. I'm not certain, but I'd bet money it's because he's fallen for their lies and dreams. Or, perhaps it's because Obama is black or half anyway -- and that says it all. Heaven help us all.

Karl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:05 AM:Funny @ 7:18 AM:

Not everyone has the same sense of humor, it's obvious that ours differ. If Chuck offends you, let him have it. He's a big boy, he can handle it. I'll try in the future not to tell you what should be funny to you. I apologize for offending you personally.

Another Good Read wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:11 AM:Try googling "30 Lies Refuted About Ayers And Obama" by John K Wilson.

More good news for Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:11 AM:I see that William Kristol, the neocon editorialist of the NY Times, describes his chat with Sarah Palin and they agreed that McCain/Palin need to get more aggressive. Talk more about Ayers. Talk more about Rev Wright. Yeah, great stuff from the folks that brought us Swiftboating, the Mushroom Cloud WMD's, the "Greeted as Liberators", the "Bring em on". Let's do have more lie-based fear-mongering in our campaigns and less discussion of issues. Let's remind the American voter that the slate that lies the most, slimes the most, and avoids the press the most is the slate with the best character and judgment and leadership. It worked so well for the country when it gave us George W Bush, we'd be downright foolish not to go for it again, and again, and again, and again... Palin and the neocons, just what this country needs more of.

To Karl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:13 AM:You may say you're an independant but your political leaning says you are a closet conservative. Try some introspection.

Randy wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:13 AM:If the bailout package was not passed last week, the stock market would be tanking right now!

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:16 AM:Well, "Chuck" at 8:50AM,
slime is slime and mud is mud,
no matter who slings it.
Since I'm writing in Ron Paul,
the disturbing part of this circus is watching the "guilt by possible association" mud and slime be thrown
AS OPPOSED TO
reference to ACTUAL positions on the important matters -
Iraq (getting out of),
Iran (not getting into),
economy (fixing it the PROPER way),
securing our borders (actually DOING it),
you know, silly things like that!
This crapola that is being tossed around is nothing more than a smoke-screen to take the emphasis off of the real, HERE AND NOW problems.
Using the "Palin logic" -
Since my departed brother-in-law while at Cal-Tech got to spend a few days talking with Dr. Oppenheimer (fact), I am a nuclear physicist (not).
Since I shook the right hand of Leo Kottke (fact), I am a professional guitarist (not).
Do you get my point?
Regards, Alf.

To Change Agents wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:16 AM:We are so proud of John McCain voting against the bailout bill and standing strong against 140 BILLION in pork barrel by naming names and making them famous.

Oh, you mean John McCain voted FOR the bailout? John McCain said he "was just going to keep quiet and out of the way so it can get done?"

More from the Straight Talk Express. Not.

JohnM wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:33 AM:Today the DOW is down more than 500, on news that the crisis has spread to Europe and is tackling banks there, amidst investor fears that last week's bailout was too little, too late.

Those in the know who tried to sound the alarm about how dire and pressing the bailout legislation was were accused of using fear-mongering tactics in the name of trying to benefit themselves. As credit problems come to light, they'll only be more vindicated -- at the expense of everyone as the economy slides further.

When will people put aside their petty political squabbles and realize there are much, much larger issues at hand?

Randy wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:38 AM:Sarah Palin has the credibility of a bull moose!

Karl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:38 AM:Vista Grandpa @ 9:03 AM:

Come on Granny, it's a neighbor. Why not do the neighborly thing and ask instead of harboring negative thoughts about your neighbor? I've got neighbors who differ from me on many things but that doesn't stop us from being neighborly.

Karl wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:45 AM:To Karl @ 9:13 AM:

Where have you been? I was never in the closet, there are too many people in there. I have been a conservative for many years. What I am not is a Democrat or a Republican. What does that make me? Independent in my book. I was a registered Independent long before it was the cool thing to do.

Straight Talk Not wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:46 AM:No kidding. I saw today that McCain's team includes 177 former lobbyists, 84 of whom did so for the financial industry. Please, before you say Obama has lobbyists too, think about which candidate is bragging to everyone that he will clean up the pork in DC. I can think of only one, along with his "outsider" VP pick, who spends all her time being prepped by those same lobbyists. McCain rode into town to get that bailout bill accomplished, the deal broke down, then Congress added even more pork to it. McCain voted for it. And he takes the credit for it. How stupid is the American voter? If McCain or Palin made an ad that just showed their faces, close up, and all they said was "We are lying to you!", smiling of course, the yahoos would say, "What character! Look how honest they are!!" LOL

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:51 AM:>>>Well, "Chuck" at 8:50AM,
slime is slime and mud is mud,
no matter who slings it.
Since I'm writing in Ron Paul,>>> As long as you are going to waste your vote, as I am doing, write my name in, not Ron Paul.

Yes on Prop2 wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:52 AM:The huge agricultural industries balk how much money it will cost them to implement the changes (which will not take effect until 2015!) for millions of "food" animals should Prop 2 pass. Yet, this industry is pouring millions of dollars to defeat Prop 2. How ironic and sad!

Yes on Proposition 2.

SDRowdy wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:52 AM:SDRaoul at 9:02 a.m. needs to be brought up from the 1980's and into the 21st century.
Raoul: look at a CURRENT calendar - it is 2008, not 1988.
John Glenn, Alan Cranston and Dennis DeConcini are not on a presidential ticket.
John Glenn, Alan Cranston and Dennis DeConcini are not running smear campaigns trying to forge tenuous links between an 8-year-old boy in Indonesia and a terrorists who would later meet once or twice decades later.

Sarah "Alaska Independence Party" Palin's charge of "palling around" is an outright LIE, kinda like that repeated LIE about the Bridge to Nowhere.
In contrast, the only thing that kept McCain out of jail was being a war hero.
Every time they try to say, "Ayers," the only correct response is:
Charles Keating! Charles Keating! Charles Keating! Charles Keating!

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:54 AM:I just thought I'd remind you liberals that I have written more anti-Administration posts in the last 3 months on this board, than liberals have written anti-terrorist posts in the last 2 years. I just want you to know where your priorities lie

Ugh wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:55 AM:Anyway, latest doo-doo-on-the-doorstep by the Palin:

"At a rally on Saturday in California, Sarah Palin offered up a rather jarring argument for supporting the Republican ticket. "There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't support other women," the Alaska Governor said, claiming she was quoting former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

The statement came after Palin had recounted a "providential" moment she experienced on Saturday: "I'm reading on my Starbucks mocha cup, okay? The quote of the day... It was Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State [crowd boos] and UN ambassador. ... Now she said it, I didn't. She said, 'There's a place in Hell reserved for women who don't support other women.'"

So Ms. Average Joe-Six-Pack-Molly-Blue-Eye-Shadow-Cindy-Pregnant-Teenage-Daughter-Jack-Drug-Dealing-Son drinks Starbuck Mocha, does she? Where are the Repug trolls and trollgorithms to denounce this elitist wanna-be? Or is it that Starbucks is only elitist if Democrat drink it?

Just Checking wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:03 AM:The Statement: Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin said Saturday, October 4, that Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama is "someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect that he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country." Sarah Palin

"CNN's review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved."

Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now "palling around," or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.

Reardon wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:13 AM:Can we agree that McCain was indeed one of the Keating Five, and that while his association was not criminal it was at best unseemly.

Can we agree that Obama was an associate of William Ayres, and even closer to Rev. Wright, and while those associations are not criminal they are unseemly.

Everyone gets to place their own value judgment on those activities. I doubt that OBAMACAN uses the same scale as does Ron.

The base of each group isn’t going to change its collective mind. The ads are designed for the know-nothings that are exposed by Jay Leno and Chip Franklin in “man on the street” interviews. The targets of those ads have never heard of Charles Keating or William Ayres – in fact, they have never heard of Obama or McCain, much less Biden or Palin.

The election is now being fought on the margins – not for anyone on this Blog – but it could change: Israel could attack Iran, Russia could attack Ukraine, Mexico could melt into a total civil war, there are plenty of scenarios that could intervene and throw the election one way or another.

Keating and Ayres are not that kind of issue except to the already fully committed. (In a rational world, they would be – committed, that is.)

Quick wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 AM:I saw Religulous over the week end. A really funny movie and well received by the audience in a packed theater. It makes you think about religion and whether we need "faith" in the secular political world of the US. It also shows how easily religious people can be manipulated. But mainly it is really funny.

Apollo wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:22 AM:Re: SDRowdy (9:52 a.m.)
Your comment is fine as far as it goes.
It stops short of the main point with SDRaoul's incessant negativism:
1. He is trying to "turn the page" from issues to fabricated smears against Obama, because this is all they have.
2. He cannot find a single positive thing about his own loser Affirmative Action candidate (legacy scholarships and promotions throughout his entire life and carrer because Daddy and Gramps were admirals), so has to try to find something, anything, even if they have to make it up, against a smart, educated, even-tempered entirely self-made achiever who keeps besting Keating in his supposedly strong suit of foreign policy (where he has been repeatedly and consistently wrong).

Reardon wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:26 AM:Just Checking: That is like saying that if Obama was consorting with, say, Chris, that would be fine since Chris has not been involved with terrorist activity.

“there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.”

There is nothing to suggest that Chris is now involved in terrorist activity either, but I would question a presidential candidate ever visiting with him.

OBAMACAN wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:36 AM:Reardon at 10:13 a.m. asks for us to at least concede some "facts" about candidates' associations.
Yes, we can agree that McCain's association with Keating, if not criminal, was unseemly.
Yes, we can agree that Obama's relationship with Wright was close, and he has admittede as much, though it does not involve political taint of any kind.
No, we cannot agree that Obama was close to Ayres.
Obviously, Reardon has not had much involvement with local campaigns.
People who don't otherwise even know the candidate host "coffees" and "meet and greets."
Any of us who are members of political partisan groups have either hosted or attended such events and understand this.
The supposed meeting was 1995.
Any successful first-time candidate had to have hundreds of such events, and most of those would be by people who do not really know him.
Later they served on a neighborhood association at the same time.

That is it, folks!

Either Reardon is being incredibly disingenuous or is incredibly naive about political events.

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:46 AM:Well, "Reardon" at 10:13AM,
I guess some people like watching pigs roll around in mud, lipstick and all.
They need the distraction.
Sort of like a person who was contaminated with something that causes terminal cancer needs something to take their mind off of the fact that their body is wasting away and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that they can do to stop it.
Regards, Alf.

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:47 AM:>>>CNN's review of project records found nothing>>>> LOL thats laughable, since CNN is in the back pocket of Hussein and the DNC. Thats like asking Bonnie & Clyde to go into a bank, just to help count the cash

Focal Point wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:48 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:54 AM: You were series? We thought you were just being you comedic self.

Holy Cow wrote on Oct 6, 2008 10:58 AM:Pelosi is unqualified to serve: Thanks for your brief opinionated letter. But, you do not live in Pelosi's district. So, your opinion amounts to so much manure.

oh chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:03 AM:as has been said here a thousand times, (1) whenever a liberal has posted a criticism that says we should've been going after bin laden rather than Iraq, that's a liberal saying to a conservative: we want to go after terrorists, unlike you...if you count those, you'd find many; and (2) people might not bother to criticize terrorists because there's no need to, because what they do is so obviously evil, and because our talk here is to try to influence others. As I, personally have posted before, let me say it again, since I guess you are fairly dense: Chuck, I am a liberal and I hate people who kill innocent people. This certainly includes terrorists. Is that plain enough for even you to understand? Will you refrain from repeating your lie now? I doubt it.

bogie wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:15 AM:Holy Cow Harry Carey, as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has lots of influence and pull in everyones district.

Mutiny wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:18 AM:There is mutiny afloat at the ship of lies...the McCain campaign. Their ship is headed in the wrong direction, of course with Palin looking at a map and calling Afghanistan our next door neighbor and seeing Russia from her backyard...you can only imagine where they will land. What maps do they have in Alaska anyway? Ahh shucks...just send these two liars back home where McCain can retire and Palin respond to a subpena.

Misguided Republicans wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:20 AM:Sdraoul: You should do a little reading on the Keating case. McCain wasn't as innocent as you would like to believe. Again, read the article “make-believe maverick” (just do a Google search) and I'll bet you won't think so highly of McCain anymore. Or do you prefer to filter your information in order to protect your distorted reality?

Terrorist wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:21 AM:The terrorist are praying for McCain/Palin someone they will love to hate. They don't want someone rational like Obama or someone smart like Biden. The old man and the stupid women works best for them. So those of you voting for McCain/Palin are playing right into the hands of Bid Laden and crew.

Reardon wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:34 AM:Gosh, I'm shocked, shocked that someone so partisan that they take a candidates' name as their own, would find fault with my analysis.

Absolutely shocked!

To Vista Grandpa wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:45 AM:She's not that close a neighbor -- and anyway, she quit speaking to me when she found out I support Obama. That was BEFORE she put her sign up. What business is it of yours anyway? Typical old man.

signed - Vista Granny

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:47 AM:I guess your post means you eat supermarket meat and veal if you can get it. You also smoke, so I guess you don't care much for your own body. Are you fat as well?

Vista Granny

to to Mike wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:51 AM:Your numbers are off. White/non hispanic on welfare 39%, Black 40%, Hispanic 15% and other 6%. Now put this into perspective population white/non hispanic 50%, black 14%, hispanic 15% and other 21%. Personally I do not believe in welfare only workfare. You sign up for aid you sign up for work. Better yet get a job in the first place and don't have kids you can not afford to support.

Holy Cow wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:53 AM:bogie: Sorry. I did not know that Wayne was a member of the House of Representatives.

End of Times wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:58 AM:Look around you! Wake up! Jesus Christ will soon be coming to reclaim his throne!

These are indeed the end times!

And, in addition to prophecies codified in scripture, we must know that voting for the GOP candidates will ease our pain of the tribulation!

Cast your vote for McCain/Palin to ease, albeit in a small way, the suffering God is sending our way!

The Father will know you by your vote, and open his Kingdom for you, if you do the right thing!

Listen to the prophets like Ron and Chuck and sdraul, who you laugh at now!

They are the new day saints, and are only helping us to make the transition bearable.

I await the arrival of Jesus Christ, and of a McCain/Palin administration!

Anything else is meaningless, and not worthy of discussion!

Ms M wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:02 PM:Oh My....

A new SurveyUSA poll finds John McCain's chances of winning Virginia slipping away. Barack Obama is ahead in the state by ten points, 53% to 43%.... ...Politico adds that Virginia Republicans are warning McCain that he could lose the state, which has gone Republican in every presidential election since 1964.

sdraoul wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:07 PM:"Misguided Republicans" I lived through the scandal and McCain was the least culpable of the five. Alan Cranston missed going to jail only because he was a Democrat in a Democratic controlled congress.

McCain was not guilty of anything according to the special attorney Bob Bennet who led the investigation.

What McCain did does not even begin to measure up to the outright bribery Tony Rezko laid on Barack Obama when he made possible the Obama purchase of his current house.

Mr Double Standard wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:26 PM:Raoul is pretty amusing in his ideologically driven way. Did McCain do wrong in the Keating scandal? Raoul says that the special attorney found him not guilty of anything. Did Obama do anything wrong? Who needs a trial, an investigation, a special attorney, or anything else? Raoul convicts Obama for bribery. Case closed.

Bill wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:28 PM:Bob Fisher is the only one in America that thinks Dan Rather was telling the truth in his report.

Does he also think OJ was innocent of killing Ron and Nicole?

He may just believe that too.

Wanda wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:32 PM:The 11:58 AM post showed me my sinnful ways.

No longer shall I laugh at Ron and Chuck and sdraoul.

I'll just hit the [-] beneath their names, like everybody else does.

Thanks.

Looking Glass wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:32 PM:From a debating standpoint, who is despised more, Ron or Sdraoul? Just curious...

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:38 PM:>>>Chuck ...Will you refrain from repeating your lie now? I doubt it.>>>

I doubt it too

Wanda wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:39 PM:The 11:20 AM poster seems to be suffering from the dillusion that sdraoul bases his opinions on facts, and hence that if he actually learned anything his opinion would change.

Sdraoul already has his missinformed opinions, and seeks out or manufactures "facts" to support his vacuous drivel.

But, thanks for trying.

good news bad news wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:43 PM:The good news is that Obama's lead is increasing. The bad news is that this will cause the Republicans to become more desperate. They have Bush at their beck and call. He has the power to initiate events that could impact the election. Don't think he won't do it. He tried to do it quite recently. He'll try to do it again. These people have no morals nor patiotism.

hardtack wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:44 PM:Why does Kyle Clark even bother to write his letter? Does he really think the predominantly “useful idiots” in America will accept less than a new New Deal, now that they have discovered how easy it is to vote themselves largess from the public treasury?

The “new New Deal” is a done deal, folks. Relax and enjoy it. You will really love the “workers paradise” that your wise leaders have planned for us.

Two Cents wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:50 PM:sdraoul[-] wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:02 AM:
Nice try at deflection. Was Tony Rezco a convicted felon during he time Obaam knew him and did business with him? Obama has never been indicted for any perceived or real illegal activity was Rezco. So, at best he like McCain is just guilty of bad judgment.

Bob wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:51 PM:Regarding Looking Glass' 12:32 post, it's close but I'd have to give the nod to Ron just for his "Let me educate you..." approach.

Wanda wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:55 PM:Well, Looking Glass (at 12:32 PM) I have to admit that sdraoul says nothing worthwhile in much fewer words that Ron does.

Two Cents wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:55 PM:Ovama's House: "Per Obama, Rezco - a local developer and long-time Obama friend and campaign contributor who was later convicted on felony corruption charges - learned about the adjacent lot when Obama asked for Rezco's professional opinion with respect to whether the house was a good buy. [5] The same day in June 2005 when the Obamas purchased their house the Rezcos purchased the adjacent lot for the asking price of $625,000; the two deals were not related aside from the seller's stipulation that the closing date for the two properties be the same. The seller has corroborated Obama's account that the Rezkos were not involved in the Obamas' house negotiations."

Roger wrote on Oct 6, 2008 12:58 PM:Well, "Looking Glass", thanks to my Blowhard Blocker software I never have to read Ron's or Sdraoul's posts.

ISmellARat wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:12 PM:The news says: Citigroup sues Wachovia and Wells Fargo for $60 billion. Lets see if I understand this. Taxpayers give Paulsen & Bernanke $700 billion for a bailout. Wells Fargo offers to resscue Wachovia for $14.1 billion. Citi ofers 2.9 billion. Paulsen is desperate to get some equity into Citi to keep it solvent, so he favors Citi getting the deal, so they sue Wells for $60 billion. If Citi thinks their damages are $60 billion, why didnt they offer $60 billion in the first place. They can not get the chairman of Citi, Paulsen & Bernanke in chains and Orange jump suits fast enough.
This sounds like they type of deal Hussein would do with Rezco

Chuck wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:19 PM:>>>No longer shall I laugh at Ron and Chuck and sdraoul.I'll just hit the [-] beneath their names, like everybody else does.>>> Gee Wanda, I can't tell you how much that really upsets me. I probably won't get one wink of sleep tonite.

SOLON wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:19 PM:The Economic Black Hole

Yes, Floyd, you have it right (1:10 AM). I hope you are not losing sleep over this crisis as you were still up at 1:10AM, but we know the smartest and greediest guys on Wall Street are suffering sleepless nights now because of the mis-management and excesses of their corporations. This crisis is FAR FAR bigger than the public knows. Just read two days ago in the NYTimes that AIG has already spent $61 billion of the $85 billions doled out to them just two weeks ago. They are burning through money like a mega gambler at Vegas. What are they going to do when it is all gone? Come back for another handout, or go totally bankrupt, and take with it tens of thousands of corporations and projects which will have to shut down without insurance. Too big to fail? Or is it The bigger they are the harder they fall?

The problem is our politicians and the public do not understand the extreme power of leveraging and derivatives. The estimated figure for indebtedness from these Wall St. firms and giant banks because of leveraging and derivatives is estimated to be over $45 TRILLION dollars. And we are still trying to get our minds around Billions.

Per the NYT article “Standard & Poor’s said it had changed A.I.G.’s credit watch status to negative, expressing concern about whether A.I.G. would be able to restructure with the help of the Fed, as planned. The change indicated that a downgrade could be coming.”

Imagine that, the government gives money to a failing institution for free, and it gets squandered? Do you think the taxpayers are going to see any of that $85 bailout (made before the mega bailout of $700 billion)?

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:22 PM:Well, "Chuck" at 9:54AM,
considering that GWB has been responsible for more loss of American life than any other TERRORIST
and that GWB's "Shock and Awe"
WAS A TERRORIST ACT,
I would say that I and others have posted more anti-TERRORIST comments than you.
Regards, Alf.

Milk and Cookies wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:29 PM:Sarah Palin said today, "The economy just needs a little shakin up, and a little fixin..." I think she was talking about how to make a turkey. (See it on UTube.)

OK. That's it.

...

Dried up Fruit wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM:End of Times
[-] wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:58 AM: You shall know them by there fruit (or, what they produce).

Obviously this postes is not all there, or just a trouble maker.

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM:Well, "Vista Granny" at 11:47AM,
nope, not unless you consider 5' 9" and 183 to be fat. I do have a bit of a belly, but I mow my own 4500 sq ft lawn, not with a lawn tractor. The lawn tractor is for the weeds on our combined 2.6 acres (ours 1 acre and my sister-in-law's 1.6 acres).
BTW, I'm 5 lbs heavier than when building my house. Cholesterol is a bit high but BP is usually around 125/75 which angers Mrs. Alf mightily (I do all the bad things and yet I am "healthy").
Regards, Alf.

SOLON wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:36 PM:Palin pals around with known mega terrorist

How utterly hypocritical for Sarah Palin to charge 7-year old Barack Obama with connections with radical anti-war William Ayers, when she herself is not only pals with mega terrorist John McCain, but has even become his running mate. We must not forget that McCain was an adult when he was dropping napalm bombs on Vietnamese civilians and children; at age 63, John McCain was close pals with savings and loan criminal Charles Keating, cheating investors, depositors and retirees; and at age 71 was advocating a 100 year war of bombing terrorism against half the world. So how can hypocrite Palin begin to speak of 7-year old Obama? She is hanging out with a mega terrorist, John McCain

Well Rowdy wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:42 PM:SDRowdy
[-] wrote on Oct 6, 2008 9:52 AM: Well DDRowdy, That was a "Pop fly" if I ever saw one.

Alf wrote on Oct 6, 2008 1:50 PM:One more thing "Vista Granny" at 11:47,
I built the house after smashing L2 and L4 in a fall and smashing T9 mid-process of building. Now I'm 5