Simple economics wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:49 AM:It is a Target, in order to draw new business it would have to lure a shopper who otherwise went to an out of town store. Not going to happen in this case. The city, desperate to see the drive-in go away approved a project that will merely siphon off shoppers from Oceanside Walmarts, Oceanside Targets, and Oceanside BestBuys. Short sighted and amateurish.

Resident wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:23 AM:You've got to be kidding me. We need a third movie theater? We already have a Best Buy and a Target in Oceanside! Is this a joke or what? We need upscale! Im sick of driving to other cities to eat at a decent restaurant. I've lived here and hoped for positive change my whole life but this incompetence is the last straw. When the housing market changes Im moving out of this ... town.

Mia wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:09 AM:Costco or Sam's Club would be nice here also a couple of restaurants maybe a Soup Plantation and a Red Robin. I have been waiting 10 years for something to be built there, lets hope for the best.

Gas Mask wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:14 AM:At least the shoppers will be able to smell the nice ocean breeze coming up the San Luis Rey River valley. At least until they build the asphalt plant one mile to the West. There is nothing better than the smell of fresh, hot asphalt while shopping on a summer day. Thank you Feller, Chavez and Kern for supporting the asphalt plant.

Randy wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:45 AM:Target and Best Buy is the best you've got to offer?!?

Whinw Whine wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:51 AM:Anything is better then a swap meet.

Oceanside Slip Renter wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:58 AM:What brings people from Temecula, Fallbrook, Bonsall to the Oceanside harbor area. THE HARBOR! And that harbor area need a cleanup ! The public restrooms for the beach area are like the deplorable, the was a murder of a small boy years ago in the restroom where all the RV's park at the harbor, it has never been renovated, Come on how much can paint, and a few sheet os stainless steel cost, Oceanside makes plenty of money in those Pay for Space parking ,yet does nothing to upgrade the public facilities and now a Shopping center, why not a public park, with something like Chicago's Millinium Park, or a North County Balboa Park with public education and history ,a pavillion with a stage, WHY? No money making in that....They could also expand the number of slip and get revenus from that... city planners are idiots ! Greedy,Hand me the Dollar policy makers. Next they wil say they need to close the airport for safty reasons, I am with Gas MAsk on this one.

Anythings better wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:04 AM:They could put a poop recycling plant there and it would be better! Wait a minute... that's what is currently there. Hmm...

Upscale wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:06 AM:Well, I shop at the Forum: an Apple Store, Coldwater Creek, Ann Taylor, Jimbo's Market, etc. etc. That's upscale. Another Target and another Best Buy isn't upscale. While better than a 99-cent store, it isn't exactly Nordstrom. Face it, this city doesn't have the demographics to do "upscale." However, is it too much to ask for a decent chain restaurant or two?

Money Money Money wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:10 AM:Who is this really for, Target, Best buy? Why not another Resturant Row, like San Marcos , brings in local employment, money, put in a an art gallery, antique store, Better yet how about a NRA storefront with gun sales on the site, a tattoo shop and body piercing. adult book store, turn it another HWY 101. San Marcos also just put in Walnut Park, Oceanside city planners, you should go take a look and re-think your options.

wally wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:11 AM:I hope they put a Wal*mart in there also.

Its not kidding wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:12 AM:Oceanside vista sanmarcos no matter where we live now better to not have ezpencuve high in come peopple shoppearoud the mall type!!! we need a good discount and good peopple like you

Broke wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:15 AM:Come on Costo gas station!

Local Resident wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:17 AM:Too funny... the best stores that would want to come to Oceanside is Fast cash for checks, liquor for Less, and penny stores. Great Job Oceanside keep up the good work

JimRT wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:38 AM:I have to agree with "Resisdent". I have lived here (in Rancho Del Oro) and have seen the area grow over the last nineteen years. Every time they would start to build something new we woul;d think "maybe a nice restaurant this time". Nope, another grocery, drug, fast food or gas. They started to build another building off of Oceanside Blvd and College. I thought it was going to be something decent, then the sign went up - home of new IHOP. Not exactly the type of sit down restaurant I was hoping for.
So, yes, they should make it a higher end center with thought out access and change that stupid name.

JSten wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:40 AM:Its a cornerstone of our local work fare program: Put in retail outlets of which there are too many already to provide short term construction jobs, to build a retail mega-plex for people to go to buy more junk that they cant afford, to shore up the sagging economy. The good news is that there will be plenty of minimum wage jobs available for those who want to take them.

The timing couldn't be better, Credit will be easy to get due to the collapsing money markets, and because of the general slowdown in construction (except in Dubai) raw materials and inventory will be available on the cheap, from China.

Jim in Oceanside wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:47 AM:I live just down the street. Don't we have enough strip malls/shopping malls? Look just east on Mission, in less than a mile 5 shopping malls!! Great idea right in the landing path of the airport! I get the feeling that the City is still trying to push the airport out. What about the FAA? Didn't they spend money on land and upgrades using FAA Money? That means the airport stays. Put something in there that will upgrade and enhance the airport operation. Turn our little airport into a jewel and make some money off that asset!

Either that or refurbish the drivein and look at the nostalgic draw it will have. If I remember right, the only reason the drive-in closed down was because the health department shut down the snack bar. This drive-in was used extensively not all that long ago.

Umm.. wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:10 AM:You know whats really ironic? The mall developers approached Oceanside - they wanted to put Plaza Camino Real in the valley. Oceanside balked at some of the concessions, Carlsbad stepped up to the plate and said they would pave the parking lot. Carlsbad got the mall, Oceanside got the Drive-In.

The Drive-In closed 'cause the demand was just not there. The snack bar is still used for the swap meet. Pee stink and all.

This is all they can come up with though? A Best Buy (There's one at 78 & Jefferson) and a Target (there's one at 78 & El Camino Real). Say hello to vacant shells.

Upscale? LOL - Not in that neighborhood.

As for the movie theater? There used to be more than that in the area already.

Richard wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:13 AM:Its about time we get a proper Target store in Oceanside. The one we have is cramped and doesn't carry the more upscale product lines. At over, 3 times the size of the forum in Carlsbad there will still be more room for upscale shops and restaurants than exist at the Carlsbad center. People in this town are so small minded and judgemental. Get over yourselves! Oceanside has a population twice that of Carlsbad or Vista. This center is about keeping our own tax revenues in the city limits.

Do it Right wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:14 AM:This shopping center can be different than the regular strip malls in Oceanside, if it is done right. Look at The Spectrum in Irvine. It has a huge movie theater, Target, Nordstrom's, Macy's, and lots of smaller retail stores. There are lots of restaurants and kiosks and it is very successful. Let's hope The Pavilion is like that.

REALLY wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:22 AM:Everyone is already complaining about what stores are going to be in this new shopping center. They just listed TWO out of the many stores they plan on putting there. How about we wait to see what they plan on doing before everyone starts whining? C'mon people...

Appeal THIS right to City Council wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:23 AM:Appeal this right to City Council.

I know we all want new shops and more jobs.

Lets be honest here folks. The jobs this mall will generate will be the same ole jobs that keeps us bill payers having to commute. These jobs will be nothing but minimum wage and a little more.

Remember once you build something like this you can never turn back.

I hope this building plan included some Energy Efficiency in the Plans, ..
SOLAR, WATER, I mean are we going to be using our DRINKING WATER SUPPLY. to build up concrete, move dirt.

Don't forget we are in a water shortage crisis something fierce.

Maybe the other Owners wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:25 AM:Of best Buy and Target need to take some action and put this Proposal to Rest.

Like our Planning Dept. Should have! Who is now leading the Planning Comm., are they working or just rubber stamping so they can go home?

Good Job wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:29 AM:You have got to be kidding.

This is the dumbest idea, since Bush was choosen over Gore.

Maybe it could have been turned into a Museum of the newest technologies for sustainable energies.

Talk about creating a niche for new businesses and high paying jobs.

Let Alone, people living near here would have enjoyed a nice big park.

Imagine driving down the 76 and you see this native planned park with trails, and bike trails or a grassy area for picnics, or movies at the park in spring.

Our City Planning has got to be fooling themselves, or they are moving soon too.

We need new People on these Boards.
Young Innovative thoughful Residents.

Planning Comm. wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:34 AM:Retire so someone who is an Innovative Planner can come aboard!

THis is so bad, just like all the other rubber stamping.

What about following any master planning for our communities.

YOu must be blind

CostcoKid wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:47 AM:YES!!! Build a Costco closer to my home so I can roller skate to work!

Oside Jon wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:06 AM:build a Costco and Red Robin. That's all I ask. Oh and maybe a Ruth's Chris

Patrick wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:09 AM:"My bedroom is right there," said an emotional Madison Lang. "I'll never sleep again." Well, if there is a big empty lot next to your house what do you expect. And everyone whining for "upscale this, upscale that", maybe you all should save your money instead of bolwing it on stuff you don't need. That is why this Country is in the dumps right now, greed, greed, want, want, me me...

Lousy Planning Commission wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:10 AM:The planning commission over & over fails to make the right decisions for Oceanside. We will still have to drive to Carlsbad, San Diego and Orange County for shopping and good entertainment. What a hugge missed opportunity.

Papa Doug wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:10 AM:"My bedroom is right there," said an emotional Madison Lang. "I'll never sleep again."


GET OVER IT!!!!!

We need new commissioners wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:13 AM:Nobody over 40 should be allowed to be a commissioner in Oceanside. Younger people have more immagination and would make better decisions.

Retail Slave wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:16 AM:I work in retail. I've worked at the Forum, the Outlet Mall in Carlsbad, and Westfield's El Camino; and each one has its own clientele. The Forum appeals to the snobs of Carlsbad, the Outlet Mall to foreign tourists and minorities from OC, and El Camino to the military. People in O'side talk about wanting an upscale mall, etc. but they won't shop at it. They'll go elsewhere where prices are cheaper. How about a whole mall devoted to "99 cents or less" stores and "week old" bakery thrift shops? Now that would be popular in O'side.

Osider wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:20 AM:You have to be kidding me!! We dont need another one of these, we have enough of them already. Who is the heck is running our Planning Commission to allow this in addition too, picking the name of the complex. This should be up to the people and just a selected few whom obviously have deep pockets. We could have had a contest or something to pickt this name. This Planning Commission needs to be overseen by the citizens of Oceanside because, their oversight of the bigger picture as gone way down hill. TAKE THIS BEFORE THE COUNCIL NOW, Oh wait, they are pro-builders too. Us citizens of Oceanside always seem to get the short end of the stick!!

resident wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:23 AM:I hope they budget for a large security force to deal with the "small"
gang problem in that area.I bet their mouths are already watering!

Great idea wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:44 AM:76 isn't jammed up enough with traffic. This will help!

not amused wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:49 AM:Well I am sure that Carlsbad will be breathing a sigh of relief, as more "malls" in Oceanside, means less O'side gangsters and rif raf at their Westfield Mall at the border. Sigh, no more after shooting sales at the mall. It is really too bad but Oceanside will take many more years to lose it's rep as a gang infested area, and in any event, "upscale" shoppers won't like the drive through some of the surrounding areas to get there. Just the facts folks.

Tropicana wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:14 AM:Really? A target and Best Buy? Come on now. We can do better than that. I've lived right across the street almost my entire life. Bring something nice to the Valley. yeah there may be a "small" gang problem, but that's no biggie, we can run them out. The last thing we need in the valley are more low-class discount stores. Bring something nice to the area and make people want to come here. How about a nice resturant instead of the generic buffets that seem to pop up one day and close the next. OCEANSIDE STOP FOCUSING ON DOWNTOWN, SHOW THE VALLEY SOME LOVE TOO!!!

I agree wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:16 AM:with the other posters who think that Target and Best Buy are a bit redundant. Not asking for upscale boutique shops, just some chain retailers that we DON'T already have in Oceanside, like Williams-Sonoma, The Container Store, Pottery Barn, Whole Foods to name a few.

Sleping but Awake wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:23 AM:Retail slave is right, unfortunate fact of life since he is an ironic one, but right never the less.

O'side does not have the demographics to support an upscale shopping mall.

O'side is low rent and low brow due to our demographics. Nice folks and a cool and diverse population, but not a Carlsbad or LaJolla or even, sniff-sniff...a Temecula.

So, if upscale is what you want then try a Century 21 sign and a new town.

O'Side - gang bangers, blue collar,poor school test scores,too much violent crime, 30% plus minority households,hookers walking about (ok, this has changed a little),marines,and low average household income. Think Popeyes Chicken and taco shopsand tatoo parlors. We do have some of the best mexican food in North County and a great beach. And, things are sometimes cheaper at the 99 cents store.

Not that O'side is hopeless...just realize that it is what it is and that our town will not change much in the next decade or so...so enjoy our great city as it is.

By the way...the fight will soon be on to see which Target and Best Buy will survive...the old or the new. My guess...the new will limp along on Rancho del Oro money from the eastern edge of the city and not siphon too much from the other stores.

You say O'side is not Low brow then...clear your mind and open your eyes wide amigo and say high to my little low brow and low income friend...his name is O'side....and I for one love this town

I wish Escondido would wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:25 AM:put in shopping instead of a swap meet. They are STILL selling fake SS cards and INS cards at these swap meets.
I ran an e-verify on an employee and when it came back a no match he ADMITTED buying it at a swap meet. Wake UP America!!!

Down in the Valley wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:39 AM:I agree with many of the posters above and am really looking forward to shopping and dining in my own city. Some of us O'siders actually shop at "upscale" stores, and drive to surrounding cities to do so. Good job planning commission! Let's help make this shopping center a good thing for the community... after all, anything is better that the blighted, gang-ridden swap meet! Now where will all those establishments go? Hopefully anywhere but Oceanside!

nanchi wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:48 AM:OMG, another Target and Best Buy. Their idea of a new restaurant is probably another Mexican fast food - Humbertos, Eribertos, Albertos or another bertos. Vote these people OUT!

Oside Greg wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:56 AM:Has anyone thought of honoring the history of the movie theater with something that would have regional impact like a IMAX theater? Go IMAX

Ken wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:33 AM:Here is what the space needs to have:

Target & Best Buy (Done Deal)

A bicycle store since the river trails is behind it and bikers use it everyday.

Movie Theater: have you ever seen San Marcos's Theater on the Weekends (packed)

Costco: Vista loves Oceanside tax dollars

Restaurants: Some "Cookie Cutter" chains along with small business owners how will provide a alternative to "cookie cutter" chains.

Whatever they put in the parking lot has to be better planned out than the Lowes parking lot and the Barnes and Noble parking lots.

Change is happening and if we participate in the process it will make things better in the long run.

KOside wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:36 AM:Stop the non-sense Stop the shopping mall. No one has any money to shop in these stupid stores anyway. Look at all the strip malls on Mission Ave - they're empty. DeNault's just went out of business... wonder why...because no one shops there!!!

To resident wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:37 AM:Gangs only go where they can blend in and not be noticed. So build shops they are not interested in and they will stay away.

Enough about upscale wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:38 AM:Why do you think Macy's is closed at the mall in Carlsbad, no business.All you fools yelling upscale, look at the market, look at the economy. What right businessman or planning member would allow a business in anywhere that will end up as an empty business in no time at all. Get a clue. GOOD JOB PLANNING COMMISSION. Now lets see what knucklehead council memeber will do because someone cries, "Not in my backyard" We don't need more parks for soccer fields or walking dogs or trails. We don't need things that cost money we need revenue.

bad idea wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:39 AM:the only thing that would help this area is a CostCo. Add good security to that as well. Funny they want to build something like this when everyone is watching their spending ( or they should be!)

JimRT wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM:To "Retail Slave" - You have got to get educated and get into another line of work. If you don't, you will end up like "Patrick".

Gimme a break wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:54 AM:How about instead of ANOTHER shopping center, maybe the planning commission and the City should have thought about a new police station. The Fire dept just got a new one and the police dept has been waiting and waiting and waiting. The current police dept was supposed to just be temporary, well I didn't know temporary lasted longer than 8yrs. There are plenty of empty shopping centers in the area. Have you driven around the area lately?

Planning commisioner Cronyism wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:59 AM:Hey all you complaining about the Planning Commission don't you realize that you are normally selected for planning commission because of your alliance to the two sides in Oceanside. Heck one planning commissioner mentioned in the above article actually gave Mr. Feller almost $400 as a campaign contribution and then KFC put him back on the planning commission after he quit because he could not be the chair of the planning commission. I agree with all of you. We don't need a Target or a Best Buy. A Costco would be great. Then we would not have to give all our tax money to Vista and Carlsbad. How many 99 cent stores, check cashing, pawn shops and barber shops can you fit into the old Drive-in site. Hey any business is good business according to KFC + Gibson.

Pro-Mall wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:15 PM:Well done! to the Planning Commission for acting in the city's best interests. If someone wants a park in that area, then let's tear down the crime-ridden neighborhood adjacent to it and put in some swingsets.

Are you people serious wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:01 PM:Do you actually beleive tha that city planners sit down and decide who is going to occupy the space? Get real, reality is Target figured they can make money, or at least tread water till 76 becomes a full blown freeway. All the other retailers looked at the space, location and demographics and decided it would not pay, planner have ZERO to do with picking tenants.

Meanwhile we are going into a real depression and people are screaming for a nice place to shop and a good place to eat. GOD HELP US!!!!

Only Visitor now wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:05 PM:Rebuild the drive-in, add miniature golf and a canine agility course. Promote outdoor fun and entertainment Kids, Families need places to have fun and be physical. Better than filling the VOID shopping. Skate parks, rock crawling both require Hobby or specialty stores, not another Target, or Costco. Come on old or young get creative folks the world is too material you can get the food and necessities at current retail sources.

Patrick wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:11 PM:To JimRT, WOW did I hit a nerve with you or something, let me re-phrase my comment, if people would live within their means then maybe the U.S. wouldn't be in the situation it currently is. Maybe Retail Slave likes being in retail, or maybe he/she is working their way through college, what do you do for a living JimRT?

CostcoShopper wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:17 PM:Let's sign up Costco first, then use them as an anchor to fill the rest of the center. Maybe Target and Best Buy won't want to share space with a competitor they can't beat on price or services.

Like the Idea but... wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:19 PM:I hope we can get a Costco in Oceanside!

wow... wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:28 PM:another strip mall-type shopping center. What a beacon of civilization for oceanside! How did we all ever survive without it? Nix any ideas about a park...shopping is much more important. There is No where else in oceanside where that can be done.

FORMER N COUNTY RESD wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:33 PM:Oside needs some culture. The N County Balboa Park would be a great addition and bring many jobs to the area. What a great way to bring families together. Why is it that the commision is only looking at fattening the wallets of big chain retail not about education and the arts. The many area schools could go on field trips and bring visitors from the OC as well.

rancho santa fe rich wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:34 PM:oceanside is like ocean beach.....a dirt pit! bunch of roudy drunks, hookers and bad designed buildings. example is that monster structure across from the pier.....who allowed that to be build?

People wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:59 PM:Seriously,

If we the people want change We the people can have that, and it starts with our ideas, and our voices to be heard at the city.

Email the city staff all of them. This is how change happens.

Please remember we don't need anymoer discount 99 cent stores taht have ruined the jobs, and mom and pop owned businesses.

The discount stores you are talking about we have, and they only KEEP Oceansides demographics low = change will never be reached for the residents.

We have to get together and start fixing CITY HALL. It has been corrupt for years.

Look at the zones, the building codes and etc.

They are dated back 10 years ago, and most of them amended by short sighted corrupt all about me City Politics.

We have to change our Planning Dept. Obviously something is wrong with them, whom ever is leading the staff.

It is time for the younger crowd to step up and brign Oceanside to be CREATIVE and INNOVATIVE in planning.

Not 99 cent stores, not more shopping centers.

Things are changing STORES ARE CLOSING, we need STORES & JOBS FOR THE FUTURE that will be SUSTAINABLE for OCEANSIDE.

Grab Your Neighbor and start Pushing for CITY HALL REFORM! Break the Same Cirlce of rubber stamping, for pure Greed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Start a Community Group and Work with Other Groups!

Oside Mom wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:01 PM:I agree with "Visitor." We need to put things in that spot to give the youth something to do. Skateparks, movies, eateries, bookstore, cool boutiques. Not another Boomer's though. I can't stand how crowded and noisy their arcade is! We have enough stripmalls for this size of a town. We don't need yet another Costco. Who needs two pounds of candy anyway?

CHANGE wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:03 PM:People, neighbors,

WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE SAME OLD SONG AND TUNE FOR BUILDING OCEANSIDE.

OTHERWISE WE HAVE THE SAME DEMOGRAPHICS, THE SAME QUALITY OF LIFE, THE SAME JOBS THAT KEEP US DRIVING TO SAN DIEGO!

WE HAVE TO CHANGE CITY HALL, Any time you give to getting things changed = together we get Oceanside where it should be...

out of the same niche of hookers, gangs, and etc...corrupt dirty pockets of the staff!!!

Start a community group for change, work with all ready formed community groups.

Yes we all work yes we all have no time, all it takes is a half an hour, exchange of emails and we CAN CHANGE OUR CITY!

To Are you people serious. wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:20 PM:You are so wrong to say the planning commission gets to choose.

If they felt so optimistic for making this vaccant area Better.

Anyone on the City Staff can throw an Idea out there and work with the community. THEY HAVE FAILED, and continue to.

They Fail because they continue to get paid with our tax money and do nothing but vote and glance over that the developer has met zones and codes, and then its ok.

Well look at the all the other innovative development plans for Oceanside. NONE

A master plan that has been ignored that = a concrete plant 1.5 miles from the beach.

Anyhow CHANGE works and CHANGE WE NEED not the same old developing plans from yesterday otherwise we are where Oceanside has always been.

Jaque wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:52 PM:Nice place for regional park. Minimal EIR mitigation, and it would serve the area residents very well. Too bad though, just more ubiquitous, unimaginative box stores. Welcome to a corporate America folks...

Orange Counry transplant wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:19 PM:After being here now for 7 years, I have been told over and over that therre will be an "upscale" mall built there. For those of you who want this, start calling the Vendors that matter now. Call Nordstrom, Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Apple store, Crate and Barrlel, Barneys, H and M, Aber and Fitch etc. etc. etc.

They all have web sites that you can go to and request. I have been doing this for the last few months. I let them know that most of us in the area are from OC and other areas and we are use to malls like Shops at Mission Viejo, Irvine Center, Fashion Island and of course the outlets in Carlsbad. We still travel to those stores and we could support and local high end mall.

By the way, studies show that a Target store is OK since most of us show there anyway. Take a look at Irvine Spectrum and you can see. Just we dont need Wallmart or Kmart etc.

Enough About Upscale wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:30 PM:Mr. Enough you are clearly a wise old sage. I agree with you. Forget anything nice for Oceanside. We are pampered here in Oceanside with an overabundance of quality junk stores and Marine oriented businesses. That is why us who are middle income or higher income travel to Carlsbad to spend our money. Mr. Enough how many more barbershops, pawnshops and check cashing places do we need for the low-income Marines you obviously know. And Mr. Enough how many more 99 cents stores, indoor swap meets, drive- thru mexican restaurants and mexican tiendas do we need to service our poorer immigrant population. Mr. Enough we have had enough of your stinkin thinkin. Vote out Feller, make sure angry man Gibson is not elected and please take the above mentioned planning commissioner that gave $400 to Feller's campaign with you.

Oside resident wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:38 PM:How about an IKEA store.

THE ONE wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:42 PM:How about building a shooting range for off-duty officers? OOPs, sorry our city streets are already built.

nanchi wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:08 PM:I try to go to restaurants in Oceanside. There are a million fast food places, a couple of Dennys, a few nice ones in the Harbor, a pancake house, but nothing really spectacular. When I have out of town guests, or special occasions, I go to Carlsbad. For shopping I go to Carlsbad. I won't use this same old boring Oceanside strip mall at ALL.

Highschool Senior wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:18 PM:Hey this sounds great to me! Please put in some good restraunt chains, not McDonalds type of things, and a theater?! There are gonna be so many highschoolers that come to that mall... The Carlsbad one is getting really old and not so great.

UPSCALE wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:43 PM:Will still be Corporate America,

Paying wages of the minimum, no insurance, and does nothing to provide a nice scene or innovative building with solor or water wise with our clean water.

GET to voting, and I am voting whom ever put $400 to Feller, Which Commissioner did this???

WE NEED TO REVAMP OUR CITY HALL !!!!

NOW... Want young innovative people in City Hall and want our voices heard.

Vote for Change and VOTE Mr. Woods, Sanchez, and Lowery.

This is our only hope since no one else's seats are up. Then we Have to Have to Get Mr. Nepolean Complex Rocky - OUT along with his Greesy Buddy Kern.!!

Please register to vote City Council has got to change Fast.

Such Corruption only supresses Oceanside from what we can be.

We all want Solar, Water, and other Technologies for our future.

Dear Highschooler wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:46 PM:PLEASE We don't want to see more Corporate America that gives no opportunities for your parents and family or yourself to have a good job that pays the bills.

Don't you want to see newer technologies like Solar or Wind in these plans.

The Chain Resturants you want are So Bad its killing America.

If you want Change, Good Change you don't want chain resturants!

You are just selling out to society of Coporate America, which is not cool. Its like working as a slave!

I am going to miss the wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:58 PM:old drive in......I think my first child was conceived there.....

Yeah I am going to miss the drive in too wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:06 PM:Your comment is the best so far! Thanks for the laugh!
I say rebuild the drive-in theatre and put a Sonic Fast Food close by.

Fallbrook resident wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:58 AM:I can just picture it...another disappointing mall in a town that has low-income demographics. More traffic along the 76 and more problems. O'side is just somewhere I pass through when I leave Fallbrook.

SFMC98 wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:01 AM:Why do you people want to live in a bland BIG BOX WORLD?!

There is more to life than "upscale" shopping experiences. They're not even upscale for crying out loud. They are fake, corporate clones that you can find anywhere.

God forbid we do something unique like reopen the drive in or build a skate park. Every where you turn there is a big box store. There are VERY few drive ins left.

What is it about baby boomers that makes them genetically predisposed to live in places that look like very other place in the U.S.?

You fools wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:40 AM:stop complaining about "it should be a..." "it could be a...." "i want a...", as far as i know the land was publicly available for sale. round up a bunch of your "upscale" shopping friends, have a bake sale, and buy the land outright.
then you can have all the fine restaurants and art galleries and over priced furniture stores (that you shop at and buy something once every six months) you want.

Dude wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:46 AM:So, Drive around town and look at ANY shopping center/mall and look at all the for lease/sale/rent signs. There is a glut of retail space. This makes no sense (but, hey were dealing with government/politicians, what do you expect)

Peter wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:48 AM:I like Oceanside. If you like the OC that much, go back. The proposed development at that location will probably never clear environmental impact considerations. I can already get to Target and Best Buy I under ten minutes, and both look pretty empty to me when I go in them. If the Drive-in can’t be rebuilt, make it a park. How about taking the golf course some wanted to put a Charger stadium at, and instead put in about a 14,000 seat soccer, or ice hockey venue, and bring either an MSL soccer team or a minor league hockey team to town.

Whole Foods Whole Paycheck wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:24 AM:why do you think Whole Foods did not buy out Henry's (at College & 76 ?) The Oceanside demos, that's why. Smart and Final now own Henry's.

Huh wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:34 AM:to Enough about Upscale 10/07 @ 11:38:
Huh? Macy's in Carlsbad is closed? When did that happen? (can you tell I haven't been in that mall in a while?)

Bubba wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:33 AM:Guys - you are fogetting that for some of us, getting to Vista Way takes 30 mins.

Sure would be nice to have COSTCO and a decent place to shop nearby. But Target? We already have one and a Wal-Mart, and a K-mart! How many *marts do we really need!

Another Dude wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:39 AM:I have lived in Oceanside for three years and enjoy it. I'm happy to see a new shopping center a short walking distance away from my home. I do love how you nag about all the negatives about this new site with almost no information on what is going to actually be there. BTW it should take care of another problem which is fixing cellphone reception in that area of the valley. The only negative that I see is if a hundred year flood damages the shopping center.

Food wrote on Oct 8, 2008 12:59 PM:If panera decides to open up in the new shopping center i will so glad to not have to drive all the way to vista.

JJ wrote on Oct 8, 2008 2:15 PM:Oceanside is not upscale. Never has been, never will be.

Put in a homeless shelter, welfare check cashing center, free legal aid, childcare for single mothers, lots of walls painted white to entice defacing and gang graffiti, an OPD sub-station, Dunkin Donuts, a tattoo joint, pawn shop, paycheck advance, another paycheck advance, a karate studio and a 7-11. No Rolls-Royce dealerships, OK? This IS Oceanside!!

The More you Know The Less You Need wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:41 PM:Hello people,

Why isn't anyone hounding the city to buy this land with grants and build a sweet park.

No more same ole shopping center...- PLEASE No more cell phone towers..its pure radiation illuminating duh!!

I bet if everyone who owns a cell phone actually stopped paying the avg bill of 100 bucks, they would have more money to save or shop with.

Talk about shopping....buying on line at your so called upscale stores...saves you gas too.

...The More You Know the Less YOu Need

if you don't research and understand the facts, you are selling yourself, your future to these stores.

This is wrote on Oct 8, 2008 3:54 PM:SO the wrong part of town for anything even approaching "upscale." Target will certainly do well there.

upscaleTHIS wrote on Oct 8, 2008 4:10 PM:Another Target and Bestbuy? You're kidding me, right? There's a Target maybe 5 minutes away from where the new one will be built and a Bestbuy just a few minutes from the Target. How about something this town doesn't already have, like maybe an IKEA, Nordstroms, or a restaurant row? I mean the nearest IKEA is way down in San Diego, but the nearest Target is up the street. There's no use in putting a Target and a Bestbuy so close to where we already have them. Target is going to be the next Starbucks....see one every 5 minutes.

So if we're getting a new Target and a new Bestbuy, what will happen to the old ones?

If People wrote on Oct 8, 2008 5:00 PM:Would stop and think they don't need everything from target, or Best Buy and actually shop online....

These stores would not have the numbers to show reason to build.

The people whom shop here so much give reason to build another store. Just food for thought

Oh yeah wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:19 PM:that's what I want to do, pay shipping and handling so Target can FedEx my tp, potato chips, Tide, Bandaids, etc. Great idea.

Raymond wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:32 PM:My short list for core tenants----

Costco Wholesale
Home Depot
Nordstrom
Gap

Cheesecake Factory
Olive Garden
Barnes & Noble w starbucks inside

baseresident wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:04 PM:what they are trying to say is that the little stretch of the 5 that was not congested right outside the gate, will be now.

oceanside Mom wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:30 PM:I second Costco or Ikea - I hate driving to Costco in Vista - takes forever. I would be at Costco Oceanside more frequently if we had one in the valley. I haven't been to Ikea since I have had children - too far away. I have found the Ikea stuff I wanted on Craigslist from people who live in Carlsbad. Here's my wish list:

Costco
Ikea
Bookstore w/ coffee like Barnes and Noble
Red Robin
good microbrewery
and a park like setting

Jodi wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:01 AM:lived in o'side for 26 years before I moved.. I really think a Costco will do very well there, also some nice sit down resturants, ( soup plantion, claim jumpiers, etc..) also have to agree with some of the folks on here. a real nice park will do good. with fun stuff for the kids, skateboard park for the older kids, area to play baseball, basketball, maybe a water fountain so in the summer the kids can get wet. a Imax theatre, place for folks to sit down and enjoy the sun. maybe a place were during the summer one can listen to music on a big grassy area. I really think that putting in shopping mall and lots of fast food places is not a good idea. a park will be better, and families can enjoy for many years to come.. good luck on what ever the city does.. but if you do want your voice heard. do get emails out, write to the city council.. let them know loud and clear that the city of Oceanside is sick of more shopping stores, fast food places.. tell them what you want..

I want a ... wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:13 AM:The site was entitled for commercial. Staff does not decide which establishments get signed to a lease. That is between the property owner and perspective tenants. Staff determines that applicable codes/regs are followed and oversees environmental clearance. It's apparent that 90% of the posters don't understand the role of the players involved.

Oside Res wrote on Oct 9, 2008 9:20 AM:I like the Swap meet! I get cool junk there.

But 90 of posters know wrote on Oct 9, 2008 2:46 PM:Us 90% of posters know that the developer can land anchor businesses before the project even goes to the approval process. Basically developer we are telling you what we want . We want a Costco so Oceanside taxpayers don't have to give our tax money to Carlsbad and Vista. IKEA would be good since we don't have one of those either. We want nice restaurants like Carlsbad gets Claim Jumper etc. We don't need another Target or Walmart. Go to the new Shopping Center in San Marcos and you can see some quality stores. Oceanside is tired of the same old same old.

Julio wrote on Oct 11, 2008 6:58 AM:No more swap meeeet? Oh no, where will I get my fake ID's now?

Bettie wrote on Nov 30, 2008 12:03 AM:Well, now that sucks. They should rebulid the damn drive-in not more stupid shopping centers. I grew up in oceanside and it sucks now there's nothing to do except shop. No wonder we're so damm broke. I'd love to have a drive-in theatre here in o'side or a huge park. Something other a shopping center.