LETTERS: NCT, Oct. 7, 2008
By Readers of the North County Times | ∞
Media 'hatchet job' on Palin a myth
Stanley Peterson, in his Sept. 26 letter claims that the media is doing a "hatchet job on Sarah Palin." This is yet another Palin myth that the Repugs and their minions are trying to propagate.
Factcheck.org has found many completely false and misleading statements regarding Palin, but not from the media or the Obama campaign. It's coming from the McCain-Palin camp. They are still spreading the lie that Obama sent a team of lawyers to Alaska to "dig into her record and background." This has been shown to be false. Factcheck.org has not yet had to dispute any claim from the Obama campaign about Palin.
After Palin's embarrassing interviews with Katie Couric, it's no wonder the McCain campaign is trying to create distractions and portray Palin as a victim. If Palin doesn't want to be "attacked," maybe she should just stop telling lies, or maybe she should cooperate with the bipartisan Troopergate investigation as originally promised, or maybe she should make herself more available to answer legitimate unscripted questions from the media. After all, she is running for the vice president and should be carefully scrutinized prior to the election. Exposing truth does not automatically qualify as an "attack" or "hatchet job."
Steve Farrar
Vista
Who is benefiting from lobbyist money?
Here's something to ponder: From The Nation magazine, Sept. 1, money spent by lobby groups in Washington, in 2007/08, and who got it. Freddie Mac spent $13 million, $258,300 going to Democrats; Fannie Mae spent $8.5 million, $568,100 to Dems. American Bankers Association spent $10.3 million, $803,400 to Dems, JP Morgan, $8 million, $1.7 million to Dems; and Citigroup spent $12 million, with $1.9 million going to Democrats.
Ironically, the gist of the article was how much more Democrats were getting this year than they usually do from these organizations. Still a pitifully small percentage in comparison with Republicans. So whom do you think might have the people's interest at heart when cooking up a bailout plan with these very same companies?
You should read what companies like Verizon, AT&T, or the American Medical Association spent lobbying in Washington, and who it went to. It would help determine whom you want to vote for and why the present administration is not working for your best interest. To find out more, read The Nation, filled with actual facts.
Kathryn Gould
Vista
More to being pro-life than banning abortion
Each of the 1.2 million abortions each year is a failure of two people, but also a failure of this country that did not provide an environment where the unborn are valued enough to provide for them. Abortion is a relatively quick, cheap and easy way to solve the problem of an unwanted pregnancy, but raising a child is difficult, expensive and takes much of a lifetime.
The cost to raise a child is $250,000. Family health care premiums are about $12,700 per year in the U.S., but 47 million are uninsured, including 20 percent of childbearing-age women. The U.S. spends twice the average of 30 other wealthy countries on health care.
Each year, about 750,000 teens in the U.S. become pregnant –– 82 percent are unplanned. Teen pregnancy rates in the United States are twice those of Canada and Great Britain and eight times those of the Netherlands or Japan. ...
There are about 1.2 million victims of rape in this country. According to the Justice Department, 50 percent of rape victims are under age 18; 17 percent are under age 12. In many places, violence is a way of life. ... Overturning Roe v. Wade is a simplistic solution. The real pro-life work involves improving these statistics and promoting adoption.
Mike Thielk
Fallbrook
A vote of confidence for Don Brust
Hooray! Finally, someone with a vast amount of common sense and medical knowledge is running for the Pomerado Health District Board of Directors. This is someone that we can vote for with confidence.
Don Brust has proven his leadership ability as an eight-year member and also as president of the Bonsall Board of Education. I worked closely with Don as a fellow member of that board and watched his courage to make changes and voice opinions in the interest of the children of the district.
This is not the only situation where Don has shown versatility and leadership. He has made the local Rotary a more effective community group. No one could get activities organized and up and running like Don. His business sense was developed and displayed as the owner of his free-standing veterinary hospital conducting laser surgery. He has done all of this with humor and understanding, practicing a persuasive and supportive manner to deal with friend and foe.
Don has the knowledge, tact and time to make our hospital board the best it can be. He certainly has my vote!
Dr. Shirley
Kazarian
Escondido
We need a patriot in the White House
Amen to Leon Smith's letter to the editor on Sept. 20! Nancy Pelosi and others laid flowers at Hiroshima, Japan's memorial of first atomic bombing. ... Did she lay flowers at the USS Arizona for our brave sailors who died in Pearl Harbor (as Leon Smith mentioned) when attacked by the Japanese on Dec. 7, 1941? Don't forget the World Trade Center, Sept. 11, 2001, and the USS Cole and American embassies attacked around the world.
"It's the economy, stupid," that got Bill Clinton elected. Clinton was offered Osama bin Laden three different times and turned him down during his presidency. We do not need an appeaser, we need a real patriot in the White House in these perilous times. Think! Vote for John McCain and Sarah Palin in November!
Dick and Lois
Campbell
Vista
Brust brings knowledge to hospital district
Why Don Brust for Palomar Pomerado Hospital District Board of Directors? Don is a highly educated medical professional (doctor of veterinary medicine), business man (owned a free-standing hospital, grower for more than 40 years, school district budget committee), civic leader (past president of two Rotary Clubs, eight-year member of Bonsall Union School Board), and a man of integrity (Olympic official, twice selected). He will bring a vast and varied background to the board.
Don is dedicated to any task he undertakes. When confined to a wheelchair, he still helped his Rotary Club with its major fundraiser. He lives the farthest away from where Rotary meets, yet attends all committee meetings. When one of our members lost her home in the Rice Canyon fire, he was there to help. He quietly asked what she needed, made up his shopping list and delivered the goods. Few knew of the generosity, as Don was quiet about it.
Don is a team player, yet an independent thinker; a good listener, but will speak up when appropriate. Please vote for Dr. Donald Brust for Palomar Pomerado Health District.
Stephen Plank
Fallbrook
Prop. 8 doesn't change definition of marriage
A very serious issue is facing voters this November in California. Proposition 8 is an initiative that threatens to eliminate the right to marry for same-sex couples. Our Constitution was designed to provide equal protections under the law for all of us in California and should not be used to treat people differently. That's what this election is all about –– fairness and equality. For that reason, our Founding Fathers created a republic. A republic must guarantee the rights and freedoms of the majority, as well as the minority.
Gay couples do not have the same rights as traditional married couples. Public employees cannot obtain long-term health care. Also, in case of an accident, partners may be denied to ride in the ambulance when their loved one may need crucial life-or-death decisions. These are only two of the many differences.
Please, no one is changing the definition of marriage. The dictionary also defines marriage as "any close or intimate union." Remember, tradition also supported slavery, not allowing women to vote, no interracial marriage –– the list goes on. I'm urging you to please vote "no" on Prop. 8.
Bill Graff
Vista
Show brought tears to our eyes
Sunday (Sept. 21) was one of the best days ever. We spent several hours at the Harbor Days festivities and had just a wonderful time. The free double-decker bus ride was double fun, the Nail and Sail race was an absolute hoot, the Pirate Ship shoot-out was really real, the free entertainment was terrific, and the variety and quality of the food and merchant booths were irresistible.
The absolute best part was all the military vehicles with proud Marines and Navy men willing to show and explain the function of each craft. At closing, those who stayed to watch them leave really enjoyed a spectacular show.
The Hovercraft is just an amazing sight rising off the ground and into the sea. When the amphibious tanks ran down the boat ramp and hit the water, it was to thousands of cheers of appreciation and gratitude from the public. Brought tears to our eyes. Oceanside is just a great city, and a big "thank you" to all who so diligently planned and participated in giving us such an enjoyable, perfect day.
Patricia Ruth
Oceanside
Sarah Palin naysayers
I vote independently every election and wanted to know more about our Republican vice presidential candidate. I was in Costco and picked up a book, "Sarah," by Kaylene Johnson, published in April 2008 (prior to her being named the VP nominee). I am totally amazed at what this lady has accomplished. I suggest everyone read this book; it will really open up your eyes.
I am so against the good ol' boys network, and she had a nonstop battle against the Alaskan complex. ... Please, pick up a copy and read it. Also, you can pass it on to your friends. ... Truly a marvelous book. I could not put it down until I had finished reading the history behind this legitimate and honorable lady.
Phyllis Brown
Fallbrook
Let's be sane about toll road
Please, folks, let's be sane about a toll road in San Clemente. Can you imagine thousands of added cars dumping into a newly formed bottleneck in north Pendleton? And remember, the pro side calls it "access to the beach" (among other things) for the inlanders.ˇ
San Onofre and Poche, south of the plant, hold only a few hundred people. Let the arrogant Americans who think only lowlifes use public transportation sit in the traffic this will create. We need alternative ideas and useful public transportation. The numbers we are being told regarding pollution are skewed in the pro favor. How will adding traffic decrease pollution? That's a far stretch, I'd say.
Chris Allen
Oceanside
Prop. 8 has everything to do with what is right
Let me get this straight. The pro-gay folks, who are doing everything in their power to justify their ... sexual practices as normal and are attempting to equate [that] behavior to ethnicity, are now trying to redefine marriage to suite their desires? What's next? Maybe alcoholics should get special rights as well, and drug addicts, too. I'm sure the polygamists and pedophiles are anxiously waiting in the wings.
Proposition 8 has nothing to do with rights, it has everything to do with what's right. Do not get suckered by fake reverends or militants who cry about equality. Men and women are equal, but they are not the same. That's what marriage is all about, one man and one women becoming one, just as God made it. Vote yes on Prop. 8, for society's sake.
Jeff Piva
Carlsbad
U.S. now Union of Soviet Socialist Republicans
For years now Junious Montgomery, William Ficere, Fidel Jiron and their "ilk" have been arbitrarily branding anyone who didn't agree that Dubya was the best president ever as "socialists." I was wondering how they feel about their beloved leader now that it's apparent he's a bigger socialist than Hugo Chavez? In fact, with the debt ceiling now about $6ˇtrillion higher than it was the day Scalia voted him in, Dubya makes Chavez look like a piker.
Not that I have a problem with socialism, mind you. As a retired beneficiary of the biggest, most-expensive socialist entitlement system ever devised (the U.S. military), I think socialism is just peachy, and I wouldn't trade my socialized health care and pension for all the private insurance and retirement accounts the Wall St. welfare queens want to sell me.
But what should we call an economic system that requires constant government intervention through currency, market and interest rate manipulation, taxpayer bailouts and total tax immunity for its wealthiest participants just to survive? I don't know, but it sure ain't free-market capitalism. Or maybe that is what it's called, but it looks more like socialism for the greedy vs. the needy to me.
Wayne Strache
Sonoma
Prop. 2 is an easy decision
Why wouldn't you vote yes on Proposition 2? The answer is so easy for me and for thousands of other people here in California who are voting yes on Prop. 2.ˇWhy do these animals have to suffer by not being able to stretch their legs or even turn around in their cages?
Voting yes on Prop. 2 improves our health and food safety, safeguards the environment and supports family farmers. I'm not a vegetarian, but just knowing that these animals have to live out their short lives in these conditions breaks my heart and disgusts me.
Prop. 2 is a modest measure that stops cruel and inhumane treatment of animals, ending the practice of cramming farm animals into cages so small the animals can't even turn around, lie down or extend their limbs.ˇ How could you not vote yes on Prop. 2? It's an easy decision for me.
Andrea Huiner
Carlsbad
Criticism boggles the mind
I've been reading the staggering assertion from conservative commentators that criticism of Sarah Palin's experience or ability is sexist. Watching the conservatives, those fiery opponents of the politically correct, try to call legitimate questions posed to the person proposing to be second in command of the United States frankly boggles the mind. ...
Further, saying that pointing out Palin's lack of qualifications for the job has been called sexist, I can only believe those making the accusation are so self-delusional as to be incapable of functioning on their own. Suggesting that Palin can't defend herself is about as sexist as you can get. Is this a vice presidential candidate, or a spoiled child standing for office?
Garth Gregory Hansen
Escondido
U.S.A. should buy houses, not worthless paper
Instead of buying near-worthless financial paper ... the U.S.A. should buy the distressed homes themselves; that is, pay off the mortgages and own the homes. This should calm the markets. The U.S.A. would then own an asset –– millions of homes –– which would largely offset the $1 trillion, or so, the cost of the homes. This money would be gradually regained as the houses were rented and sold.
We would be foolish to pay off the bad mortgages, as the big financial institutions would like, while allowing them to continue owning the homes. If this happened, they would clear the titles and sell the homes for a profit of probably $1 trillion, while the U.S.A. would be stuck with a bill of the same size.
There should be no problem if Congress decides to take a few months to work out the proper actions; the U.S.A. can make the payments on the mortgages each month. ... The financial institutions must find the way to clear the title to each home before we buy it. If they can't, or won't, we shouldn't buy. If the big financial institutions can't survive, even with a bailout on 5 million bad mortgages, then let them fall, like Enron.
William Parks
Oceanside
Let markets heal themselves
The market problems of the 1980s, when 3,000 banks failed and interest rates hit 21 percent, posed a greater threat to the economy than the current crisis. The economic instability was resolved in the financial system in a much more disciplined and rigorous way than taxpayers printing money for Wall Street.
The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation ... resolved thousands of problem situations, issued net worth certificates to get the nation through the credit shortage. The agency also regulated transactions with banks with subordinated debentures and promissory notes, assumed power over executive salaries and controlled dividends to restore health and rigor to the market.
The FDIC also adopted a contingency plan to nationalize all institutions in the event it was necessary. The cost of the entire enterprise was $1.8 billion, resolving over $100 billion in problem institutions from the FDIC insurance fund, paid for by the banks, not the taxpayers.
In other words, the market was used to heal the market, not set up a big government bureaucracy at the U.S. Treasury, run and overseen by the very reckless people who caused these problems in the first place. Let's repeat the process.
Richard Urias
Escondido
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Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:19 AM:The letter from Jeff Piva misses at least 2 points -
1) Prop. 8 is taking away a right
and
2) this country is a democratic republic, not a theocracy.
If you take away those two fundamental flaws in his argument,
all you have left are what he and Prop. 8 are really all about,
religious zealotry, hatred, bigotry and discrimination.
Regards, Alf.
Wanda wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:20 AM:Steve Farrar and Garth Gregory Hanson continue to defend the evil liberal media's hatchet job of Sarah Palin!
What with tough "gottcha" questions like "What magazines do you read?" it's obvious they're out to make Sarah Palin look like a vacuous bimbo!
Can you blame her for looking like a deer in the headlights?
Gosh darn it!
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:34 AM:The letter from Garth Gregory Hansen is great,
as far as it goes.
If Palin were to be a man and
issued forth the same garbage as Palin -
made the same exaggerated claims as Palin,
(I have foreign policy experience because I can see Russia)
was under investigation for abuse of power just like Palin,
mouthed off about having morals while marrying a pregnant woman,
mouthed off about having morals while having an un-wed, pregnant teenager,
forced rape victims to pay for their own "rape kits",
wanting to overturn Roe v Wade,
HE WOULD BE OUTTA THERE so fast your head would spin!!
BUT, Palin, a woman, gets away with it, is given a free pass.
MOST of the very same women who give Palin a pass on these things would nail a man to the wall for the very same things.
Palin being picked on?
Balderdash!!
Regards, Alf.
Apollo wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:35 AM:Re: Jeff Piva (letter)
Piva is just one more homophobe who can't address the actual issue of Prop 8, which is to redefine the current legal definition of marriage in California so as to exclude a sizable chunk of the population, so he has to do what conservatives typically do, change the subject.
No, Jeff, Prop 8 is not about polygamy or pedophiles, though it is "traditional marriage" based on the Bible which is what can be used to permit both.
The California court upheld the state Constitution, which in several places prohibits discrimination based on number. There is no such equivalent that would apply to numbers of partners or those under the age of legal consent. This is a phony-baloney smoke screen.
But if what you want is "Bible-based" marriage, THAT is what would allow your polygamy and multiple child brides.
sdraoul wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:43 AM:Poor Wanda. Apparently she didn't see Sarah Palin totally wipe out the liar from delaware who claimed:
A. The US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon -- that is a lie, never happened.
B. Stated that Obama never said he would meet with Castro, Sanchez and Amendidijad without preconditions -- that is a lie, heard it myself, live on yelevision.
C. Voted against the first Gulf War then voted for the present war.
D. Recommended a three way split of Iraq.
Among others.
Surfer wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:48 AM:McCain and Palin: Let me see. Here comes Wright, Ayers, Hussein and insulting the troops in Afghanistan. So where is the kitchen sink? See ya! (Resubmitted)
Apollo wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:59 AM:Re: Richard Urias (letter)
Are you kidding Richard? Do you remember NOTHING of the 1980's financial collapse?
There were HUGE bailouts!
Don't you remember some of the players - like corrupt Senator John McCain up to his eyeballs in corruption? Don't you remember CHARLES KEATING?
Republicans caused the meltdown of 1929 and the ensuing Great Depression.
Republicans caused the S&L meltdown of the 1980's with their deregulatory "greed is good" mantra.
Republicans caused the meltdown of 2008 after dismantling all oversight and putting the foxes (like the name of the phony news network) in charge of the henhouse.
You say they let "the market heal the market"?
They did "not set up a big government bureacracy"?
Do the initials "R - T - C" (as in Resolution Trust Corporation) mean anything to you?
Those who cannot remember the past are doomed to repeat it.
(Except, of course, that if you look at the causes of problems to try to find solutions, Sarah Palin will wink and grin and accuse you of looking backwards. Aw shucks! Gimme my six pack and let me drive the kids to hockey practice.)
bonddi wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:35 AM:I had a man come to my door and ask if I supported Prop 8 -- I told him that I believed people who love each other have the right to be married -- he was not happy and gave me some literature so I could educate myself -- I threw it in the trash without looking at it. Prop 8 is about hate and boy, did that guy look like he hated me because of my opinion. Don't let hate mongers take away another one of our rights in this country.
real solutions wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:38 AM:If an abortion is not a woman's choice then I think the government should make the men who impregnate women, resulting in an unwanted pregnancy, have their jewels taken away. Threat of castration would solve the unwanted pregnancy issue much more effectively than banning abortion.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:04 AM:The letter from Mike Thielk is well thought out.
He states the obvious, at least to me, that "Overturning Roe v. Wade is a simplistic solution".
In point of fact, overturning Roe v Wade would make MORE problems and bring MORE business to hospitals.
For those who do not remember the PRE Roe v Wade -
Hospitals used to have "abortion wards" that did not perform abortions, but dealt with the aftermath of "back alley" or "coathanger" abortions.
Is this what the "pro-life" people want to bring back?
How about those "homes for unwed mothers" for girls whose parents threw them out?
It's amazing how 35 years can fog the memory of older people and, for everyone born after 1973, have them not even know about the dangers that existed BEFORE Roe v Wade.
Dr. Mrs. Alf and I DO remember what life was like back then, we DO know people who "disappeared" for a while and we DO feel that it would be pure barbarism to overturn Roe v Wade.
Regards, Alf.
Chuck wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:42 AM:What do Osama and Obama have in common???
They both hang with people who bombed the Pentagon, besides being soulmates
chuck wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:10 PM:In the News::: Bernanke: Crisis could prolong economic pain.
Hey moron, we just gave you $750 billion, so what are you saying?? You want $750 billion more??
Please walk down to Murtha's office and get an orange jumpsuit and set of chains he has set aside for Marines, and slip into them, and dont come out
Eqality wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:44 PM:While it is true that everyone should be equal, look at the kind of damage that equality brings - Title 9 for example. The law made it equal funding and everyone was happy but as a result, the number of men's gymnastic teams dropped nationally from 80 to 19. Many colleges even dropped men's wrestling. Another good example is all the good that the Boy Scouts and Catholic adoption agencies do, by putting children in good homes and teaching them honesty, integrity and moral values. Now because of equality, these institutions are being sued or forced out of business. All in the name of equality. Now don't get me wrong, I want equal rights for all people but why should all these good programs and instutions be sacrificed for that?
Jack_D wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:48 PM:Bill Graff, I'm sure the Founders had gay marriage in mind when they created our Republic:-) Seriously, the problems he mentions can be remedied without legalizing gay marriage—a law can be passed saying domestic partners can ride on the same ambulance, for instance.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:07 PM:Well, "Chuck" at 11:42AM,
what do OBL and GWB have in common?
They both cost the lives of over 3,000 American Lives.
BUT, GWB has done OBL one better,
he has cost the lives of more than 1,000 MORE American Lives,
AND COUNTING!!
Regards, Alf.
Oh Please wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:13 PM:Jack_D[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:48 PM: When are you going to get it. It is not about making special exceptions. It is about equal protection under the law.
OnlyInAmerica wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:16 PM:The insanity of this country is maddening. A Clinton judge orders release of Chinese Muslims from Guantanamo, and liberals in Washington DC want to give them homes in their neighborhood. Is there no end the liberals will go to in order to destroy America? I guess it doesnt matter, Hussein is going to open the borders to the terrorist filth anyway
to bonddi wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:17 PM:How does one look like they hate someone else?
Hey Real Solutions wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:18 PM:Sure, just like capital punishment has stopped murder from happening.
Chuck wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:21 PM:>>BUT, GWB has done OBL one better,
he has cost the lives of more than 1,000 MORE American Lives,
AND COUNTING!!>>>>
In case you havent figured it out yet, Bush isnt running. Oh, and anticipating a McBush response, McBush is running against OStalin
chuck wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:28 PM:>>the problems he mentions can be remedied without legalizing gay marriage>>
It just the insidious creep of the agenda. First its indoctrination of the kindergarteners, then its hate crime nazism with SB777. Then the kiddies in the 3rd grade can choose their gender. (all behind the bak of the parents), then they take the words mother and father out of textbooks, then the lawsuits against the BoyScouts become more numerous, etc, etc, etc
Ms M wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:40 PM:Chuck
[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:42 AM:...geez Chuck, the Bin Laden family and the Bush family go way back - they have very personal FAMILY ties. You are just too DESPERATE!
Apollo wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:43 PM:Re: Jack_D (12:48 p.m.)
With his sarcastic sneering that he's "sure" the Founding Fathers intended same-sex marriage, Jack shows himself to be one more person with no understanding of the difference between legislative and judicial roles.
The Founding Fathers left open to the Federal Government certain enumerated powers (Article I Sec 8), and anything and everything else as long as it did not infringe certain rights.
The whole point was that future legislators would deal with issues they had not considered or "intended," and they were free to do so as representatives of the people, within the parameters of such rights.
In California, those rights, enshrined in multiple places of our State Constitution, prohibit discrimination based on gender, which was the basis of the judicial decision.
We dont need Palin wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:37 PM:Yur darn tootin' Sarah Palin is qualified to be the Vice President. Golly gee haven't you heard her answer some of those important questions? She is just like us she relates to Joe Six and those hockey moms!!! So as she winks and plays up to the camera I wonder just how she will be able to participate in the realities of the job. Is she just going to nudge the Heads of State with her elbow and give them a big wink and resolve foreign affairs? Please I forgot how does she say nuclear? Yeah if you can't even pronounce the word I doubt if the reality of its power has crossed her mind. Please realize she is not qualified nor experienced enough to serve the American people in this capacity. Let her stay in Alaska where she claims she did so much good we would hate to deprive them of such a lovely jewel.
Wanda wrote on Oct 7, 2008 2:47 PM:Raoul Sinverguenza at 9:43 AM comes up with: "Apparently she didn't see Sarah Palin totally wipe out the liar from delaware..."
He's right, I missed it.
I did see the televised VP debate with some vacuous bimbo trying her best to look cute and spunky for ninety minutes.
Gosh darn it, she was down homey!
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:04 PM:Well, "OnlyInAmerica" at 1:16PM,
GWB, a REPUBLICAN, and company with his misdirected "War on Terror" in Iraq, the place that no one connected with 9/11 came from or was trained in and that had NO WMDs or delivery systems,
along with Congress, REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED FOR 6 OF THE LAST 8 YEARS, with their funding of GWB's insanity and removal of regulations that would have prevented this financial melt-down,
ARE they the "liberals" of which you speak?
Golly gee, Wally, I didn't know that GWB and Congress from 2000 to 2006 were all "liberals".
Only in America could someone blame "liberals" for what "conservative" Republicans did -
and keep a straight face and without being struck dead by lightning!
Regards, Alf.
tjefferson wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:08 PM:Jack_D implies that the founding fathers didn't have same sex marriage in mind when "they created our republic." The Founders also thought that only landowners should vote, that a slave should be counted as 3/5th of a person, that slavery was ok and that women shouldn't be permitted to vote. They also didn't say anything about marriage in the Constitution either.
Please Apollo... wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:09 PM:"The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
To borrow money on the credit of the United States;
To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian Tribes;
To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offenses against the Law of Nations;
To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
To provide and maintain a Navy;
To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings; And
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
No mention of "as long as" anywhere to be found. Try again.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:14 PM:Well, "Chuck" at 1:21PM,
I figured it out a long, LONG time ago.
Who is president?
GWB.
Who said that they would "stay the course" set by GWB?
McGWB.
Who wants to stay in Iraq for a decade or more?
GWB, McGWB, Palin.
Who advocates military action against Iran, Pakistan AND Russia?
McGWB AND Palin.
We need war on MORE fronts right now like we need a national lobotomy.
Actually, if McGWB/Palin wins the election, that will be proof positive that there has already been a national lobotomy -
of registered Republicans.
Regards, Alf.
Moron wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:15 PM:OnlyInAmerica[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:16 PM: Golld Gee Chuck. The Chinese Muslims at Guantanamo were held for 4 years as enemy combatants and then three more years as non combatants. Full research has shown that they are not terrorists and had nothing to to do with Ben Ladin. They are not being released to liberals. The non combatants are being released to Muslim families already in resident in the Washington area. Terrorists can easily enter this country regardless of who is President. Just have to stroll across the Mexican border. Any moron knows that.
Focal Point wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:16 PM:chuck[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:28 PM: What about the cucumbers?
chuck wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:17 PM:The news is reporting that N. Korea fired short-range missiles in military drill, report says. LOL. They destroyed the fake launcher so that the UN would let billions of food aid into N.Korea, and now they've rolled out their latest launcher with the economic aid firmly in the hands of the military. And No, the Secy General wont get fired, Rice wont get fired, the US General in charge of that area wont get fired. The only that that will get fired, are NKoren missiles
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:22 PM:Well, "Apollo" at 1:43PM,
there you go again, using and presenting logic, reason and law to someone who chooses not to use any of the aforementioned qualities.
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:28 PM:You are right, "chuck" at 1:28PM,
we most certainly don't want 5 year olds to know what is not appropriate for adults to do to them or who to tell if something does happen.
An uneducated potential victim is far more pliant than an educated one.
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:32 PM:The letter from Wayne Strache is right on target!
Regards, Alf.
Moron wrote on Oct 7, 2008 3:44 PM:Chuck[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 1:21 PM: I believe it is Bush who requested socialist bail out legislation and money.
Wish... wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:51 PM:Vp elect for Nader would Run for President!!!
Mike Gonzales, I believe he use to be the mayor of SF.
What a person.
John wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:54 PM:ll and staff,
Just finished reading your online talking points on the bail-out. Not much I agree with - but that's no surprise.
Wasn't Darrel part of the "run government like a business" gaggle that would show us liberals how to do things right? What the heck happened? Sounds like you are blaming everyone but yourself and as usual, Darrell knows it all and is the expert (backed by "experts" of his own choosing that share his views).
I think your foot dragging and delay tactics are really responsible for exasperating the problem and directly contributed to the increased pork in the bail out package. You should be ashamed and should be held accountable for not voting yes from the get go. Thanks to your stubborn refusal to accept the reality of the situation, you have added to the debt tax payers will be saddled with.
Yes it's kicking the can down the street because you are refusing to acknowledge that your conservative market based principals have failed and that nationalization of the banking industry is next.
My only consolation is that you yahoos in the republican party will be a discredited and demoralized minority for the foreseeable future. Enjoy it.
Cal wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:56 PM:Obama is going to clean house tonight. Sigh o nara repub-lickins
Apollo wrote on Oct 7, 2008 4:56 PM:Re: Please Apollo (3:09 p.m.)
Frustrating to try to respond to folks who just refuse to actually read what they purport to respond to.
Go back and read my blog!
I referred to the California Supreme Court decision.
I mentioned that the U.S. Constitution enumerates specific Federal powers and reserves everything else to the states unless it infringes specified rights.
The enumeration from Art I Sec 8 referred to the Federal legislative powers.
The California Case was decided by the STATE Supreme Court under the STATE Constitution, and State legislative authority, not the enumerated powers of Art I Sec 8 which constrain the Federal government.
Sorry that I mentioned both State and Federal in the same comment. My point was about the distinction between legislative and judicial roles.
I didn't realize it would be so confusing to those who don't understand the division between State and National powers in our Federal system.
Polls wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:01 PM:Just about every poll of independent voters found that they felt that Biden "won" the debate with Palin by a decent margin. Just about every poll has found that the Obama/Biden ticket is broadening its lead over McCain/Palin bit by bit. You never know it this will last, but for now, thanks to public appearances by Ms Palin, and by the economic news that most voters associate with Bush/McCain economic philosophies, Obama is pulling ahead. McCain people say they need to step up the aggressiveness of their campaign, not talking about themselves or about issues, but sliming Obama by any means necessary. One can hope that Americans will, for the first time, actually BE sick of this style of campaigning that they all say they hate, but have always fallen for.
Roger wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:03 PM:Sdraoul at 9:43 AM claims to have seen "...Sarah Palin totally wipe out the liar from delaware..."
Which brings up the obvious questions:
a) Are you on some sort of meducation?
b) Did you bring enough for the set of the class?
Will McCain's rapier wit totally devistate Obama tonight? Can't hardly wait for the next report from "Raoul Land".
Ms M wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:05 PM:Cindy McCain said today that she expects her husband to clear the record at tonight's debate and let America know where he truly stands.
McCain, who stopped to visit a half-dozen children at the Monroe Carell Jr. Children's Hospital at Vanderbilt today, said the presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama has "waged the dirtiest campaign in American history," and her husband Sen. John McCain will use tonight's debate to correct the distortions.
They really, really thinks you cons are stupid if you believe this bull - oh well you did vote for Bush not once but twice and think Palin is the best thing since sliced bread - um...I guess you cons are stupid!
Ms M wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:10 PM:Polls
[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:01 PM:...speaking of polls - 89% of Hannity's followers think that Palin won the debate vs 11% for Biden. Now that's scary - but it also confirms why our country that has been run by cons is in the shape it's in!
sdraoul wrote on Oct 7, 2008 5:47 PM:"roger" continues the Kool-Aid approach to judging debate victory. Fact checkers destroyed the experienced Senator from delaware. he plain out and out lied and made things up that he shouldn't have to do as Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.
Of course Palin wiped him out. He got caught lying over and over and she stumbled on a Gneral's name. Big deal.
He can't even quote the section of the Constitution that outlines duties of the VP.
Fact checkers destroyed Biden. Only people who don't know the Constitution or foreign relations and current events think Biden won. He didn't.
to Ms M wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:10 PM:Not surprising. I heard that in Germany in 1936, that same percentage of Nazis said the Jews and Gypsies were evil. Hatred and the desire to dominate weaker people is, sadly, with us forever. And there will always be people who make a fortune by exploiting this tendency in a lot of people. Just scare them. Then tell them who is out to get them. Then tell them that you will prevent this. Eighty-nine percent of people who love this theater and their own role in it say, "Yes, yes, yes!" The Palin example is particularly amusing because her "message" is that as an outsider, she'll clean up Washington...yet she is the running mate of John McCain, ultimate insider. This is why she has to say the word "maverick" as often as she says "golly". There's a major brainwashing that's needed for her to even begin to be credible even among her own fans. LOL
Say what McCain wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:13 PM:In the very first question of the debate, just minutes ago, John McCain said that the first thing he would do is have the treasury department buy mortgages from those near foreclosure for houses that were bought high, and renegotiate them making the payments of what they are worth today.
So, under McCain, stupid people who bought houses they can't afford get assistance from my tax dollars?
What about me? I bought a house for $650K, which I could afford, and can still afford, and today its only worth about $450K. So I'm gonna get a "do over" too?
McCain is out of touch!
hope Prop 8 passes wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:35 PM:Morality is at stake.
Dumb wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:19 PM:The entire McCain/Palin platform can be summed up in these three words: Americans are dumb. How else do you explain that a McCain is presented as a rebel outsider, having had no other career in his post-military career than DC government? How else do you explain that a person under investigation for abuse of gubernatorial power is presenting herself as the person who will clean up Washington? How else do you explain how the biggest Senatorial cheerleader for the Iraq invasion can present himself as "right" on Iraq? How else do you explain how a career deregulator is in charge of cleaning up the financial mess that is caused by deregulation? I guess this election is all about one thing: are Americans as dumb as McCain/Palin requires us to be? Well, are we?
Karl wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:23 PM:Say what McCain, I like the plan floating around the internet that we all get our share of the 700 billion and those behind pay off their mortgages and us responsible borrowers stimulate the economy.
Brass n Rail wrote on Oct 7, 2008 7:39 PM:hope Prop 8 passes[-] wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:35 PM:Prop 8 is a waste of time and money. If it passes, it will be declared unconstitutional by the courts under the equal protection clause. So, if all you super duper strait Christians want to stop legal homosexual marriages, you will have to amend the state constitution.
John wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:02 PM:Debate over. Obama will be the next president of the United States of America.
Roger wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:10 PM:Suppose sdraoul saw tonights debate as another resounding victory for McCain.
Reardon wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:12 PM:Alf: Is it your position that the concept of government-enforced egalitarianism through housing affirmative action (i.e. selling homes to the unqualified and underqualified), was, and is a Republican or a conservative concept?
Wanda wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:15 PM:Has Raoul Sinverguenza declared overwealming victory for John McCain in tonight's debate yet?
At least he didn't lose his temper and try club anybody with his microphone.
To brass wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:34 PM:It amends the state constitution, so no court battle.
McCain won the debate wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:52 PM:He was the one who understood America's needs best. Obama stuttered too much and had no answer to the health care penalty or the fact that taxes woud go up on businesses.
Bob wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:53 PM:John at 8:02 PM is right, McCain may as well pack it up now, and take that spunky bimbo with him.
God help us all if Obama wins wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:07 PM:A leftist, abortion supporting big government president. America has turned against God.
Sarah wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:18 PM:That senile old man really blew it.
Gooly gee, thought we could pull it off, but I guess not.
Gosh darn it.
Shucks.
Bill wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:51 PM:What is liberterian about not defending yourself from an enemy that is out to destroy you?
I dont think you know much about who the liberterians are.
No REAL liberterian would advocate that.
Chris wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:56 PM:I guess that sdraoul didn't bother to see what fact checker said about Palin.
God Bless Obama wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:16 PM:To the prayer offered by "God help us if Obama wins" at 9:07 p.m., thank you for your prayer.
If Obama wins, God will help and bless this nation because Obama is a good, compassionate man who seeks peace and international goodwill.
If McCain wins, threatening to "Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran," and direct troops away from legitimate targets in our self defense and to nations that were no threat to us, God will turn his back on our warlike, hostile rogue nation that we have become under the policies of Bush and McCain.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:32 PM:Well, "Reardon" at 8:12PM,
no.
I do not know of such a thing as requiring the selling of homes to the unqualified and underqualified.
If there is and I am wrong, I'll admit my lack of knowledge.
If there is such a thing,
it combined with deregulation is insane and led to the housing mess as surely as the sun sets in the west.
What is a Republican (or conservative, in a perverted way) construct is the free-market and deregulation whereby there is NO oversight, NO adherence to the old 1/3rd of your gross or 1/2 of your net monthly income is the MAX allowed combined sum of your monthly payments as a criteria for mortgage lending.
What is also a Republican (or conservative, in a perverted way) is the idea that,
after deregulating an industry and
having that industry make absolutely STUPID, EGREGIOUS ERRORS,
to turn around and "rescue" it.
Had there been regulation, there would NEVER have been the "need" to "rescue" the stupid morons,
at the PUBLIC'S expense (our great- grandchildren's great-grandchildren's expense).
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:36 PM:Well, "To brass" at 8:34PM,
not so fast.
ANY STATE law, or part of STATE Constitution, etc, that violates the U.S. Constitution,
can not stand
and
will be overturned,
eventually.
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:45 PM:Well, "Bill" at 9:51PM,
do you have any idea of the difference between thoughts and words?
Do you have any idea of the difference between words and ACTIONS?
Do you have any idea of the difference between saying that I want you dead and actually making you dead?
Regards, Alf.
Dave Of The Desert wrote on Oct 8, 2008 5:02 AM:After last nights debate it is very apparent that McBush and The Embarracuda
will be Maverick hunting with Joe Sixpack in Alaska, Dog gone-it. The lipstick has been applied to the pig.
Karl wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:48 AM:Alf,
What do you mean by Republican (or conservative, in a perverted way)?
As a Fiscal Conservative I believe that my views on politics are nearly as far from Republicans as they are from Deomcrats.
Ron wrote on Oct 8, 2008 6:56 AM:You know, there is just so much here to correct, but let me start by saying if Americans believe by a more than three-to-one ratio that the news media is trying to help Sen. Barack Obama win the presidential election, it's real.
We can start with the most recent example, where Gwen Ifill had a financial conflict of interest with her new book coming out just in time for the election. Yep, no conflict there!
And historically, let's now fool ourselves here, ok?
81 percent of the journalists interviewed voted for the Democratic presidential candidate in every election between 1964 and 1976.
In 1968, 86 percent of the press surveyed voted for Democrat Senator Hubert Humphrey.
In 1972, when 62 percent of the electorate chose President Richard Nixon, 81 percent of the media elite voted for liberal Democratic Senator George McGovern.
In 1976, the Democratic nominee, Jimmy Carter, captured the allegiance of 81 percent of the reporters surveyed while a mere 19 percent cast their ballots for President Gerald Ford.
In 1988, 12 voted for Democrat Michael Dukakis, one for Bush.
In 1984, 10 voted for Democrat Walter Mondale, zero for Ronald Reagan.
89 percent of Washington-based reporters said they voted for Bill Clinton in 1992. Only seven percent voted for George Bush, with two percent choosing Ross Perot.
More than half of the journalists surveyed (52%) said they voted for Democrat John Kerry in the 2004 presidential election, while fewer than one-fifth (19%) said they voted for Republican George W. Bush. The public chose Bush, 51 to 48 percent.
And, So when registered Democrat Anderson Cooper turns to registered Democrat Gloria Borger, who is sitting next to Democratic operative Donna Brazile for perspective...
Your gonna get the DNC line.
When MSNBC's Chris Matthews get's tinkling feeling up his leg, seconded by registered Democrat Andrea Mitchell,
And then YOU say the Media 'hatchet job' on Palin is a myth?
This is why when Republicans, conservatives win, it is the exception.
Democrats running and winning IS the rule. It's their enviroment, it prefers them.
So, you gotta ask...
With an economy like this, and a hated current president, why isn't NObama running double digit leads?
And why was this even close, ever?
Apollo wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:08 AM:Re: Phil Epstein (letter 10-8-08)
Poor Phil, like so many conservatives, is too rooted to the past.
Liberals look at our economic and financial markets in a state of total meltdown, complete loss of our once-impeccable reputation internationally, 4,000 American soldiers dead after being sent into the WRONG COUNTRY, a government trying to shrink itself to bathtub-size unable to respond to emergencies, and when we glance back at the 2000 and 2004 elections, we are the ones who say:
WE TOLD YOU SO!
Since the North County letters are missing in action (second day in a row!), I will post this here.
North County Neglect wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:13 AM:For the second day in a row, the blogeditors have snubbed their North County readers.
Why is it that you disregard your biggest reader base?
Oh well, I see that you delay the letters and the volume drops.
I guess that is one way to make your job easier.
Come on, it is only a few more weeks to the election and it will slow down.
I suppose it is busy at the Registrar of Voters office this time of year, too, but I wouldn't expect them to turn their backs on North County.
Vista Granny wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:34 AM:If you look at the present financial mess carefully, it should be obvious that the people who built the houses, sold the houses and made the FIRST loans on the houses did quite well.Lots of fat profits and commissions there. Since I bought only what I could afford, and it's not much, I resent the idea that someone with the same income may have purchased a home three times as large, in a better neighborhood and now because they can't afford the payments, the rest of us get to watch while they are bailed out.It's okay if the government has to pour money into the economy to stop this mess (it's not working), but why should not help people who bought homes they knew they could not pay for. Why should they have their mortgages reduced (equals having price of home reduced)and get loans at ridiculously low interest rates? Let them work two jobs and sell their SUV's give up Charger games for a while.
To Dave of the desert wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:39 AM:You are funny!! I think you mean the lipstick has been applied on the pit bull. I guess the winks and golly gee's didn't work for McCain.
OBAMACAN wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:54 AM:Ron at 6:56 a.m. again shows his irrational thought patterns.
News journalists deal in FACTS and INFORMATION so OF COURSE a majority will be Democrats!
Evaluating information and making judgment about what is the best policy are completely unrelated to reporting information factually and accurately.
Like most of his "facts," the linkage between the two, completely absent from even the slightest shred of specific evidence or instances of specific bias, are entirely the product of Ron's own imagination.
If you are going to accuse people of bias, cite the instance and the evidence.
Don't shoot the messenger, just because they bring you FACTS you choose to ignore.
He Said wrote on Oct 8, 2008 7:58 AM:Vista Granny @ 7:34. Is that really you? Not happy with the government helping the needy? Please don't take this as an insult (probably impossible this time) but it sounds like you have a little conservative "Ron thinking" in your mind this morning. Better take a "thought expectorant".
Roger wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:08 AM:Surprised we still haven't heard from sdraoul regarding John McCains pathetic performance at last nights debate.
At this point, I wouldn't rule out suicide.
OMG wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:29 AM:Chuck must be dancing with glee knowing that McShame and the Republican distortion machine are willing to give $300B of his tax dollars to those nasty liberals that bought houses they couldn't afford. Of cousre in Chucks world a conservative would never apply for such a blatant vote-buying give away, right Chuck?
Wanda wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:31 AM:Ron at 6:56 AM explains, in 517 words, how the liberal media is responsible for making Sarah Palin look like a vacuous bimbo in the same way meteorologists are responsible for creating the weather.
Priceless!
To He Said wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:37 AM:Helping the "needy" is a good thing. Helping the "greedy", who knew they were getting into deep doodoo when they bought those houses is something else altogether.
Vista Granny
Vista Granny wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:39 AM:Helping the "needy" is a good thing. Helping the "greedy", who knew they were getting into deep doodoo is something else.
Apollo wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:42 AM:Re: Ron (6:56 a.m.)
Ron's narrow-minded, paranoid myopia is showing again as he complains about liberal reporters without commenting on who hires them, fires them and pays their salaries.
The PUBLISHERS of the "mainstream media" are large corporate conglomerates who benefit from conservative policies supporting deregulation and tax breaks for the few richest elites, of which they are a part.
So it balances out.
Except of course for Fox, which is not only owned by an ultra conservative billionaire publisher, but hires staff who are vetted for conservative views, and has a record of being caught fabricating and distorting news and directly following Republican talking points given to them. And even the head of their "news" division, Roger Ailes, is a former Republican operative who is discredited with having helped to develop the "attack-journalism" style of campaigning which Rove later perfect.
And of course, Rove is now also on the staff of Fox "news."
And of course Obamacan at 7:54 a.m. is correct that having a viewpoint is not the same as intentionally writing propaganda hatchet jobs against specific candidates. If you make the charge, provide the proof.
sdraoul wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:48 AM:The non-debate was a tie. Rules, rules and a boring Brokaw.
Those who think Obama wiped out McCain are wrong. It was a tie and unforetunately, a tie in this case goes to Obama.
SDRowdy wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:53 AM:Roger at 8:08 a.m. notes that SDRaoul remains missing in action.
SDRaoul finally resurfaces at 8:48 a.m. and concedes it was a "tie" which "in this case goes to Obama."
If SDRaoul agrees it goes to Obama in a "tie," you know it was truly a one-sided whitewash, so to speak.
Let's see, in addition to SDRaoul, REPUBLICAN partisan commentators such as Pat Buchanan, Bill Bennett and others, while continuing to express support for their guy McSame, admitted that, despite his favored "town hall" format and strong emphasis on his supposed strong suit of foreign policy, McSenile got roundly clobbered. Obama looked warm, engaging, thoughtful, intelligent and responsive and, most of all PRESIDENTIAL. Twice McCain said we needed a steady hand or a cool hand on the tiller of the ship of state, and since he looks hot and trigger-happy and Obama looks cool and even-tempered, it looked like he was campaigning for Obama.
I suppose that is the real reason there are no 10/8 letters, just as the 10/7 letters were delayed.
Debate day and the morning after.
The editors need to protect the tender feelings of the conservatives who got badly beat up by withdrawing the usual forum for discussing such matters.
Are the editors trying to push us to look for other forums?
Do they not understand that this medium is the future of journalism?
Alf wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:02 AM:Well, "Karl" at 6:48AM,
the name Republican has been perverted by the neo-cons and the religious right.
The unfortunate thing is that people, including myself, tend to think of the words Republican and conservative as being one in the same, which they are not. Many who call themselves a conservative are the furthest thing from it, at least in the fiscal or political sense.
My beefs are with the people who advocated and still advocate deregulation with blind faith that the fox will guard the hen-house and
with the same people who set us up for failure being the ones who are saying that they know how to fix it.
Pour some more money at it. (Buddy, can you spare $70 Billion? Or $700 Billion? Or $850 Billion?)
We're paying dearly for that nonsense.
Regards, Alf.
Oh Sarah wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:19 AM:Golly gee Sarah there you go again looking backwards. The McShame and Pain campaign has turned into nothing more than a mud slinging, slandering ugly fight. Sarah why not stick to the facts? Why not talk about the economy oh yeah because we just might want to know about McShame's very lucrative relationship with Keating and the Lincoln Savings and Loan!!! Please everyone has regrets from their past and everyone has skeletons in their closet. Oh Sarah one more thing; People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
Apollo wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:22 AM:Re: SDRowdy (8:53 a.m.)
What are you saying?
If the early returns on November 4th show an Obama landslide, we won't see letters for a week?
OMG wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:23 AM:All the debates so far have been real yawners. Nothing new, exciting or game changing in any of them. Democrats & Republicans both think their guy won because the answers they gave fit their viewpoints. Us Independents that actually watch debates looking for a reason to vote for one guy or the other will likely decide who is president. I will let you know who it will be on Nov 4th, but so far I am just bored by it all.
Bob wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:32 AM:sdraoul at 8:48 AM may be right (gasp!).
McCain was faced with ignoring a ruinously expensive, counterproductive war along with tax breaks for the top 5% along with 8 years of deregulation...
Hard to sell 4 more years of this. Had to feel sorry for the silly old guy.
Obama pretty much had to show up and not blow it.
Would have been a lot more entertaining if they had typed in the question which was being ignored at the bottom of the screen.
Roger wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:45 AM:sdraoul, apparently, is still alive.
Can't immagine how he could call last nights debate a "tie", but then, this isn't as dillusional as I expected.
Suspect, like the rest of us, he just felt sorry for that old fool and his failed campaign.
Pathetic.
Reardon wrote on O