KK wrote on Oct 18, 2008 5:50 AM:This is outrageous! Regardless of one's political point of view, objectively the Staff member(s) who "disciplined" this young lady have injected their own biases and violated very basic fundamentals afforded even minor high school students. Such oppressive actions are not representative of Murrieta and the MVUSD and I intend to speak with School Board Members and Dr. Scheer about the irresponsible actions of Staff to seek discipline.

Whats This wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:59 AM:The ACLU protecting the rights of someone critical of Obama? Has the world turned on its axis? Is up down? Or could it be that the ACLU isn't just a pro-liberal group like the troglodytes always say? That it protects the rights of conservatives as well?
Naaaaaaaah. Can't admit that, or the right wing would lose one of its favorite boogeymen. This guy must be an aberration and will soon be shown the door by his fellow pinkos.

Not Fair wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:17 AM:This student was reprimanded simply because the teacher's union and educational faction that control our schools are pro Obama. I'm sure that if the same wording was used with McCain's name instead, this wouldn't have been an issue. It's a sad day when we Republicans are forced to send our kids to school and subject them to the democratic and socialist message and ideals all day. Each week, we Republicans need to sit our kids down and de-brief them just so they grow up, work a 40 hour week, pay their own bills and take responsibility for their own actions in contrast to the liberal socialist democrat thinking that believes the role of government is to think for you and provide for you from cradle to grave.

Robin wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:29 AM:What happened to freedom of speech?

PEOPLE wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:36 AM:You CAN wear a NOBAMA shirt...YOU CANNOT REFER TO SOMEONE AS A TERRORIST AT A PUBLIC SCHOOL...what don't you get? Can I wear a shirt that says, "Mc-KKK"? I think not.

Well see wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:36 AM:We'll have to see if the ACLU actually steps up to protect this girls rights. Had the T-Shirt read "Bush" instead of Obama, the lawsuit would have already been filed on her behalf. It's one thing to quote on the disciple another, to take action to fight it.

Obviously wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:36 AM:This was already in the headlines due to FOX news, the exact shirt. This student knew she was pushing the limit.

too Obvious wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:52 AM:The very fact that this kind of expression of opinion is "pushing the limit" in our society proves that one side's opinions are being limited in our society. For the left, it's "anything goes"; to the right, the instruction being given is "don't go there". All such repression always ends up being defeated in America, so hold on to your hypocritical prejudices for the long ride down.

UGH wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:53 AM:Obviously this family is looking for national attention. We can't all be Joe the plumber! Your full constitutional rights DO NOT extend into public schools...it's called a dress code. READ the code. Kids also cannot wear iron crosses, naked ladies, or foul language. Anything that causes a disruption is not allowed. I reprimanded an Obama student last week that had an Obama HIllary shirt that read, "Bros before Ho's"...sexist and inappropriate for school. HE complied. THis girl has no respect for school authority and has been encouraged so by her parents THAT knew this shirt would cause problems because it was already in the news.This is nothing more than opportunists trying to get financial gain out of our already underfunded schools.

Freedom of speech wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:55 AM:Try yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre...see what happens. Plus the whole Obama "terrorist" thing has been linked time and again to flat out racism.

Indocrintaion wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:07 AM:This is nothing more than these pragressive teachers trying to indocrinate our kids. If Obama wins well have gay marriage and books in schools and the terrorsits will rain supreme!

TheEngineer wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:08 AM:To the misguided Republican, the war on terror started in Afghanistan and will end in Afghanistan. Obama knows this, our military commanders know this, and most sane Republican understand this. So to say that Obama is a terrorist best friend is just IGNORANT, cause you are ignoring his policies and just spewing right wing talking points like a puppet.

MV Teacher wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:09 AM:All of you right wing closed minded gun holding racist republi[c]ans in this area are ridiculous. U send your kids to school and think they can get away with anything, no consequences. What about the schools policy to ban LA or SD shirts and hats but the hate groups on campus wearing SKIN or other outright racisit propaganda are allowed. This area is so out of touch with reality. Free Speech absolutely! Racism is unacceptable.

Freedom of Speech wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:12 AM:I LOVE it! And yet, if a teacher is ASKED by a student what their beliefs are WE CANNOT DISCUSS IT DURING INSTRUCTIONAL TIME. A student however can go on and on about prop 8, how Obama supporters are dillusional, and gay books are going to be legal (yes on 8 propaganda)and the teacher has to bite her tongue for fear of reprimand. I WISH I had free speech. I have to leave my shirts and bumper stickers at home. Good thing I can influence your children in other ways and slowly brainwash them to turn the world gay by Wednesday!!!HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!(That's sarcasm for the right wing conservatives that will take it literally, have my computer tracked and me fired).

Wow wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:19 AM:My son comes home EVERYDAY with flyers from the Good news club, Boy Scouts...The CHS PRINCIPAL met at the flagpole last year with the Christian club to pray for all the "non-Christians" to find their way (sorry Jew and Muslim students)...We are BOMBARDED by right wing religious doctrine in PUBLIC schools!Anytime these stories come up it's a pseudo racist right wing agenda with religion waiting in the wings and you people actually think YOU'RE OPPRESSED? YOu can't say ANYTHING in this community without right wing uproar...school plays, novels, clubs,teachers being taped to "catch" something liberal they might say etc. Just ONE person complains and the district bends over backwards to accomodate the moral minority.There is a NEW political correctness and it ain't liberal.MIller had it right when he wrote "The Crucible".

Old News wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:47 AM:The repression of anti-left expression on California campuses is nothing new. There is, and long has been, a dull-minded acceptance of so-called "progressive" (far left) propaganda. There is fanatical, wired-up "sensitivity" to anything that acts like it is living and breathing on or anywhere near anything that can possibly be interpreted as having overtones of conservatism. I've seen this kind of attitude on California campuses (including college and university campuses) since the mid 60's. There was a time you could be tarred and feathered by hate frenzied "progressives" at more than one UC campus for daring to express conservative beliefs. That has changed. The change being that it is no longer just certain UC campuses that are so extremely involved in such attitudes of hate coming from the left wing. It now extends into the primary grades.

The agenda wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:48 AM:I keep hearing about this liberal agenda but it seems like the only ones trying to recruit, go door to door, stand on street corners and preach, or shove their views down throats are...shockingly CONSERVATIVE!!!!!!

Freedom wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:08 AM:This student is a very brave young person for expressing her FREEDOM of speech!!! And NO ONE has the right to take that away especially a school! Last I checked that shirt was not dress code and the context that was used for the word "terrorists" was not a safety issue, it was not even threatening. It's nice to see young people who are willing to put their views out there.

Ask wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:26 AM:Kinda sad when all he is doing is telling the truth.

Osama bin laden wants you to vote for Obama for President.

Mike wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:31 AM:This is sad for all of the students in this district. The students have the right to express themselves involving this matter and no one has the right to say they do not. I am shocked by the comments of the "MV TEACHER." This explains why teachers are becoming perverts and pedophiles. They fell the can manipulate kids with their lame thoughts and ideas. I have witnessed countless times where they have fallen short of their required task of educating children and allowing them to express ideas. The school district needs to clear this childs record and start policing itself from stepping on the rights of students period.

Bob wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:31 AM:Freedom of speech doesn't apply to children at school; just as a parent can curb Constitutional rights of a child, so can the school. When a child is at school, the school becomes the legal guardian, and may make decisions based on what is best for both the student and the school. These are children- they are not adults. Children may have civil rights, but their Constitutional rights are at their guardians descretion.

Bob wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:32 AM:typo- discretion*

WOW wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:42 AM:What kind of parent would put their child in that positon? I know... The kind of parent that is totally pissed off that she is seeing more and more positive Obama tee-shirts and stickers. If I where that child's father I would be very mad. It's one thing to feel a certain way and completely different to go out and put it on a negitive tee-shirt and where it to a school where many sudents may feel diffrent. I would never put my child in such a position!! SICK....

JSten wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:44 AM:I am presently leaning toward Obama, but

I am amazed at the pinheaded views of some of the teaching and administrative staff at our schools. I am sure that this response is politically motivated. As a group, the edu-nitwits cant resist the red flag. Its almost Pythonian.

Is there really enough budget to go around for this kind of nonsense?

I applaud the student and support the cause of the parents, and hoe that they back their child up 100% Not because of politics, but because its the right thing to do.

to Bob wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:06 AM:That would be cool except that the "guardians" at the schools are becoming far too interested in guarding their own political stands. It perverts the very definition of guardianship when the guardians in essence become abusers of the school population to gratify the guardians' own left wing passions.

David wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:10 AM:Why vote in a President who the Europeans want. The U.S. did not become a great nation because we did what the Europeans wanted. Go take a history lesson.

tk wrote on Oct 18, 2008 11:12 AM:Ask said "Osama bin laden wants you to vote for Obama for President."

You need to get in touch with the National Inquirer. You've got a real scoop there! Can you tell us where you met with him when he gave you this nugget of information? Or are you saving that for the story?

RMM wrote on Oct 18, 2008 12:13 PM:Though I agree with the sentiments of the girl, I probably would not have let my kids wear such a shirt to school. Not because it might "offend" - who cares and what doesn't offend someone these days? It is provocative, and it could be a distraction, therefore, not the best clothing choice. I will say, though, that too many teachers had political signs in the cars of their windows parked at the schools last time, so it's quite funny that the same teachers now want to stifle this girl. On a larger scale, we have a Democratic congress that has, what, an 11% approval rating, after they were elected to take care of Bush's so-called problems and now we're in economic fallout, and now we want to elect one of them president and give them more seats? Why not? Obama bin Biden, 2008!

to tk wrote on Oct 18, 2008 12:21 PM:Gee, what a brilliant post. Could the answer have anything to do with the fact that bin Laden and our own commanding general have both made the observation that Iraq has become the front line in the war on terrorism? I'm sorry to inform you that the only reason Obama keeps spouting off about wanting to "kill" bin Laden is for PR purposes. He knows as well as anyone that bin Laden is just the titular head of a hydra, and that the Iranians and the multi-form bin Ladenites are all coveting Iraq. Which, incidentially, Obama will (because yes, he will win) be handing over on a silver platter. The question of whether Bush and his friends in congress should have been suckered into invading Iraq by a long compromised CIA is at this point as moot as whether General Wilmsey should have advised Washington to cross the Delaware. Yes, of course bin Laden prefers Obama. Get over it.

Terrorist wrote on Oct 18, 2008 12:33 PM:He is a terrorist, the kid had it right.

Solution Guy wrote on Oct 18, 2008 12:39 PM:This is proof that our educational system is run by liberal whackos.

Barack Hussein Obama... wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:08 PM:has extreme left wing communist views, one of his advisors, Bill Ayres, an unrepentant home grown terrorist, who killed a police officer is one of them.
So the statement on the students shirt was truthful, and factual.

Murrieta Mom wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:38 PM:Children can't vote,so voicing a political view at school should not be allowed. Kids are easily offended and act irrationally,I can see how someone might get physical and harm this child. Reason is not a strong quality possessed by the misinformed ,unfortunately the misinformed do not even know who they are.What would Jesus do? He would tell the truth,a simple concept,but because Rush(the drug addicted,illegal alien hiring,never voted for Regan,self proclaimed Messiah) would say,"Jesus was lying" and you folks would swallow it, hook, line,and sinker,and now the truth is transformed .That is why we are really in trouble,the general public is too lazy to find the TRUTH and will trust a well marketed fool(s),as factual.I'm moving to Venezuela where the President has his people at heart.

Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:40 PM:In all this rhetoric,
did ANYONE stop to think that the T-shirt is a distraction DURING instructional time?
Did ANYONE consider that it is POSSIBLE that disruption was the purpose of this T-shirt?
I don't care whether it said "McGWB is the answer to OBL's prayers" or "Obama pals around with terrorists" as much as I care that it took away from instructional time.
I suggest that the children and the parents who rationalize the behavior of their children who do such things ask yourselves -
could it be that incidents such as this are part of the reason that California is ranks so low in education?
Could it be that YOUR priorities are screwed up?
Could it be that YOUR emphasis on "student rights" instead of seeing that they get a good, competitive education, is what is making it necessary for many to take remedial classes in a Community College in order to enter any 4 year college?
What ever you do, you must decide which is more important, "political statements" or education.
If you think that education should take a second place to stunts like this,
you are horribly wrong.
Regards, Alf.

Karl wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:44 PM:WOW! This kid expresses her opinion and she gets punished for it, but it's not just Murrieta being out of touch it's an epidemic in just about if not all school districts in socal. It's extremely one sided when you have the overwhelming majority of teachers and school administration being to the left of liberal. That folks is the "S" word and pretty soon if we don't watch it it's going to be the "C" word, and the general public does nothing to change it. What happened to the Constitution? The founding fathers were correct the masses are asses. I guess we are right on schedule Marx was right.

Rasta Man wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:45 PM:The only "Whackos,extremists,or terrorists" listed in this blog are you non-tolerant,militant, conservatives. Peace Be With You -I learned that at church.

Bee wrote on Oct 18, 2008 1:49 PM:NOBAMA!!!

hey Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:07 PM:Calm down and think. Anyone who would be so distracted by a t-shirt would not be college material anyway.

George wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:08 PM:We Should all be proud of this young lady for taking a stand and not being a conformist, she did not knuckle under to the pressure. There were these other guys did that about 230 years ago and it worked better than any place else in the world for about 190 years. Maybe it's time to bring civics back into the classroom taught by people that are certified to have read the Constitution of the United States, The Bill of Rights, The Articles of Confederation and have read the users manual for the Constitution of the United States called the Federalist Papers.

Hey Karl wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:18 PM:Who is right, our founding fathers,or Karl Marx? You my friend need your meds.

Hey Rasta Dude wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:33 PM:I'm not aware of the teaching's of the Coptic Church..... But to the point you state "non-tolerant" isn't that what this school district is perpetrating on this young student? Would it have been okay for her to call Ron Paul a Nazi?
I guess it's okay to be a conservaphobe today and not have "tolerance" for people with a different belief system.

To George wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:36 PM:Please run for a seat on the school board.

Karl wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:49 PM:Founding Fathers, Marx was used for effectiveness, the whole communist manifesto thing, conquer from within, you know college stuff.
Our meds are just fine thank you for your concern.

Not Quite wrote on Oct 18, 2008 2:52 PM:The shirt didn't say Obama was a terrorist, it said he was a terrorists best friend. Not even close to the same thing. It only means that in this girl opinion, an Obama in the White House will mean the terrorists will feel empowered. And many, many feel this way, including terrorists. Moammar Kadafi said so himself!

Also, the left is always saying the right is "violent", but this girl was subjected to threats from the left! For what? Wearing a shirt that said NOTHING HATEFUL AT ALL?

The left is nuts! They treat Obama like some kind of messiah, like no one can question anything he says, or when someone does, it's a "personal" attack.

Boy are we in big trouble in this country.

Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:11 PM:Well, "Karl" ad "George",
if the purpose of K-12 school is to express personal opinion, fine.
But if the purpose of K-12 school is to learn, this girl and her mother were in the wrong. They interjected their idea of what the emphasis should be IN CLASS in place of what the teachers were teaching.
The girl's behavior created a disturbance in class and was treated as such.
Most of us, as adult Citizens, understand the inherent responsibilities associated with each of our Rights.
It really is too bad that there is not a list of responsibilities that correspond directly with each of their "rights".
I have a right to free speech, that right does not extend to yelling "FIRE" in a theater when none exists, nor does it extend to either libel or slander, without negative consequence(s).
Regards, Alf.

KK wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:32 PM:First, anyone who knows me (KK are my real initials) certainly knows I am NOT a right wing conservative. Let's not be narrow minded. This is about a fundamental right and over reaching abuse of authority by a few.

Again, objectively speaking, IF the school staff and administrators were concerned for this young lady's safety as reported, why then was she sent to detention (a form of punishment when I was in school) and not isolated in the protective custody of school administration or the school Resource Officer, followed by a phone call to her legal guardian? The fact that she was sent to detention indicates the young lady was being punished for the content of her shirt. Not out of fear for her safety because it was disrupting other students. Why not discipline the disruptive, un-disciplined students?

And yes, Ugh at 08:53 , our constitutional rights do in fact extend into school and MV Teacher at 09:09 you are correct, there are consequences. As I mentioned in my first post, I intend to address the Board on this matter and subsequent consequences at its next meeting. I hope to see you there.

Val Victorian wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:35 PM:A disturbance in class???? Don't all the students face forward anymore? The only one who could read it would be the teacher.

Whats Next wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:42 PM:Police officers will pull you over and cite you for some (made up) vehicle code violation because you have a campaign sticker of a candidate the officer personally opposes? There is a check point tonight.

I suppose any resident displaying a candidates yard sign other than the candidate(s) being supported by the POA are guilty of disturbing the peace?

This is about respecting an individual's right to express themselves.

This girl's actions were not over the top.

Oh Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:49 PM:That is specious argument, Nobody yelled fire and her actions did not cause a life threatening situation. This takes a little thinking and a knowledge of rights and responsibities if there is no damage there is no tort . It's not her problem if others don't like what she says it's there responsibility under the constitution to conduct themselves in a civilized manner, they are free to disagree "freedom of speech", PC folks really bother me thankfully PC is on it's way out. The masses are asses.
Read a little Jefferson, good stuff.

UGH is right wrote on Oct 18, 2008 3:57 PM:some people will do anything for attention

Patriotic American wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:08 PM:This is a public school, people. The kids are supposed to be there to learn. Clothing with inflammatory messages is disruptive and doesn't belong in school.

Schools have never been free speech zones. This family just looking to get some media attention by playing the victim card.

jvc wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:24 PM:What happened to " equal time" ?

GMAB wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:34 PM:Doesn't anyone else wonder why the inappropriate reaction and response by some of the students was not addressed? Some were offended, there were threats and she was harassed to the point of being removed for her safety and given an excused absence. The schools have become indoctrination centers. The re-education classes for adults will start after the election should, Obama win, and the terrorists will still hate us. Caio, comrades. PS-the shirt's a distraction? Do you see the way these kids dress and act? GMAB.

Roberto1 wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:47 PM:I'm voting for McCain-Palin....with that said mandatory uniforms in schools are way overdue...along with mandatory drug testing.

Karl wrote on Oct 18, 2008 4:56 PM:The original Karl is taking a break from posting and has not posted the info above. These blogs are getting way too trivial and I need a vacation from the rants.

Peace

Rasta Man wrote on Oct 18, 2008 6:09 PM:the whole thing makes perfect sense if you take the polarized political discord out of it. John Lennon said it best in the song"Imagine". IT'S EASY IF YOU TRY

Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:48 PM:Well folks,
you wonder why California spends the most per student for education and it ranks, I MEAN RANKS 48th.
Could it possibly be that expression and other "student rights" take priority over learning in California?
I always thought that teaching was the job of the school and learning was the job of the student.
I guess that I'm behind the times, but I'm not as far behind the times as California students are behind 47 of the 49 OTHER states.
Regards, Alf.

Rasta Dude wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:53 PM:Sorry Karl the 1st didn't see your blog......Is it John Lennon or Vladimar Lenin that is in play here, I believe it's Vladimar.... However John dipped into the sacraments of the Coptic Church.Peace dude.

A thoughtful citizen wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:55 PM:Regardless of anyone who supports John McCain or Barack Obama, I find it disturbing that someone actually believes that Barack Obama is a terrorist.
A man that has been elected to the United States Senate, past president of the Harvard Law Review and recieved his Doctorate at Harvard Law school, is a terrorist?
Please!
If you do not support his postion, that has validity but to accuse him of being a terrorist, only shows your ignorance.

To GMAB wrote on Oct 18, 2008 7:56 PM:You get an A+

Sooooo brave wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:01 PM:Yes, so brave of her to regurgitate her parent's views and copy a t-shirt that already got national media attention. You go girl. You people scare me...You were probably all out there with your "Yes on 8" signs today too. Might as well burn a cross while you're at it.

Excuse me wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:03 PM:This girl should be allowed to wear a shirt that suggests terrorism in a post 9/11 Columbine world and yet teachers should not be allowed to put bumper stickers on their private vehicles that are parked outside the school gates? Okay, freedom...got it.

Agenda wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:04 PM:You know...I never used to have a liberal agenda but now I do.

Blogs wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:05 PM:These are so pointless. F Scott Fitzgerald once said that the sign of an intelligent mind is one that can hold two opposing viewpoints at the same time....I don't see many intelligent minds here.

NOBAMA wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:07 PM:We must continue to fight and indoctrinate students for Jesus and patriotism. No gay loving terrorists in office!

Wow wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:10 PM:Look at the pro t-shirt rants vs. the anti t-shirt and ask yourself: "Which group of people based on the blogs would I rather be associated with?" You have one half riddled with racist undertones and anti-public school rhetorc....and on the other side you have logic and respect for the rules.Hmmmmm.

No Alf wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:24 PM:We have low test scores due to the amount of kids that english isn't a first language, we have more than any other state. This is freedom of speech even if you don't like the message.

Fanatics wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:27 PM:Fanatics do the U.S no more good than terrorists.

The student's mother should think long and hard about the things she teaches her daughter! To falsely accuse our Democratic nominated candidate as a terrorist lover is bad mothering.

The ex-husband should keep close tabs on what "mommy" is teaching!!

Bad. Bad. Bad!

George wrote on Oct 18, 2008 8:50 PM:They were right the grand experiment is failing and it only took 230 years. Quoting Fitgerald is way off base, two opposing viewpoints are fine but the view point that goes against eveything the founding fathers worked for and what they gave up to start this country is flawed, some of you folks stand the consitution on it's ear shame on you your children should have the same opportunity that their great grandparents and grandparents had. If you work hard you prosper not penalized for working hard, not only that after taking my money you want to tell me what I can and can't say..... Good job comrades. Going back to the "opposing view points" thing in order to understand the big government thing a person would have to have half their brain removed or have done a lot of drugs at some point in their life.

Obama Supporter wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:05 PM:While I support Obama, this is ridiculous. Other than the fact that the mother is nuts, if someone of sound mind wants to wear the shirt, let them wear the shirt!!!! There are worse things to be offended at.

To Fanatics Others wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:06 PM:If he follows through with what he has said he is going to do in Iraq it will be another Vietnam, that we can not afford with an enemy that is mobile. That is what the terrorist want seems kind of friendly to me...... But that aside this young lady has the right of free speech until you folks change that or if you agree with what is being said.
Your party wants to prosecute Government officials for what has happened in this war, that's just a bit
excessive don't you think comrade.

To All wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:21 PM:With the rift in our country between the working class and the I want someting for nothing, watch what you say class we are in for some heady times...... Can't wait to see what happens

Rodney wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:29 PM:Can't we just all get along? The posters here pulling out the racist card are the true racist in my book. Cheapening the word/act when there is no evidence of such is flat out the action of a sick, sick mind.

Ed wrote on Oct 18, 2008 9:52 PM:to much of the world W is the biggest terrorist in the world for invading and occupying countries which has resulted in tens or hundreds of thousands dead. McCain supports W so I guess he pals around with terrorists...

Old Ed wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:40 PM:Well at least your not speaking Aramaic. Or are you?????? It's better to have McCain at the switch with his 22 years than the Obamanation with his 173 days.

Mcsame wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:54 PM:Freedom of speech?
Yeah when Obama isn't even a terrorist.
She should of known the stringent policies VMHS puts on their students
Her insolence got her into this

Obama winning is inevitable anyways

Didnt Go Far Enough wrote on Oct 18, 2008 10:59 PM:Not only is Obahma soft on terrorists, he is going to be so far in your back pocket it's going to feel like a colostomy by the Hubble Telescope. Meanwhile giving my familie's money to the 50% of people that pay no taxes. Exact wrong man at the exact wrong time. The shirt should have also called him and his ilk thieves and liars. I don't want the governments help I just want them to get out of my way.

wilbur wrote on Oct 19, 2008 12:00 AM:it doesn't take too much thought to understand where the mother (and apparently the son) are really coming from with the shirt.

Paul wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:47 AM:If MV teacher's post is a poor example of grammar and spelling. If that is the standard of excellence you folks have from your educational system, MOVE now.

You guys are nuts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:44 AM:It not a matter of expressing opinion, or of free speech.

The shirt is a distraction, and the school district has a dress code to avoid students wearing provocative items that might be disruptive.

I don't care if it was anti-one candidate or pro-another; implied one candidate is a terrorist, or another as a saint.

Politics, especially this time of year, is a contentious subject that doesn't belong in the school.

It is no more appropriate for students to wear items of clothing endorsing or condemning a candidate as it is for a staff member to wear a campaign button in the classroom.

And you wonder where your kids get their sense of self-righteous indignation?

We need to go back to the days of when the school called home little Johnny or Mary had some explaining to do, and their parents didn't hold press conferences with local newspapers.

Get over it!

George wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:03 AM:Anyone who actually believes Obama is or is capable of being a terrorist is either mentally challanged or dillusional. No white candidate would every be painted as a terrorist. Of course if he is a terrorist I would assume the FBI and CIA would be right on top of it. Or maybe this sophmore in high school has better information.

Give it up.

Nick wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:26 AM:What a crock!!!!!
But we can have groups like LaRaza and MecHa on our Junior and College Campuses...lmao
Sure they don't spread any hate...LOL

Double Take wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:48 AM:So free speach that leans to the right is dead in Murrieta, but students are told by the Teachers Union to embrace Gay marriage ($1 million contribution to support the Gay political agenda) and that they can use school computers to study Louis Farrakhan in class!

The NCTimes has article today that states.. "Farrakhan, 75, has haltingly tried to move the Nation toward traditional Islam,.. ..The Nation of Islam has taught that whites are descended from the devil and that blacks are the chosen people of Allah".

Got to love the double standards in our government run schools.

To George wrote on Oct 19, 2008 10:04 AM:Only the looniest believe he IS a terrorist. But, it's not delusional to believe that there are a lot of people in this world, many of them terrorists, that would much prefer him to McCain as president. And they do because they feel they will be able to do more harm with less repercussions if he is leading the free world than McCain.

That's the whole point of the shirt, which many, perhaps who really are mentally challenged or delusional, can't seem to understand.

I know, it's a subtle point, and if there's anything the people of the US can't seem to handle anymore is subtlety.

As for the disturbance the shirt created, it's really up the school. But the fact that this girl was threatened by other students is the most disturbing part of the story. Not that she would wear the shirt, or that the school might object to the shirt. But what happened to peaceful, thoughtful discourse? What happened to being sensitive to the beliefs of others? Diversity of thought? All those "liberal" ideas? Seems to me these only count if you agree with whoever is in charge, and at the schools, it's the left.

And before I get blasted by the all Obama lovers out there (who probably haven't read this post carefully anyway), let me say this. Walk into most any church with an anti-McCain shirt, and see if you stop from being crucified before the second hymn has begun. It's just as bad on both sides.

But You guys are nuts wrote on Oct 19, 2008 10:42 AM:You are right!
What happened to the idea that CHILDREN went to school to be taught and learn?
It's now more important for CHILDREN to make a statement and exercise their rights than it is to learn and to follow rules.

aDAMANT wrote on Oct 19, 2008 11:21 AM:This is so sad. It's such a double standard for this situation. I think if the student was wearing a pro McCain t-shirt that he would still get detention. I would not be surprised if he was wearing a pro-Obama bin Laden shirt that nothing would be done about it. It's so sad that the liberal media is unfortunately going to win this Socialist the Presidency.

Jennifer wrote on Oct 19, 2008 11:40 AM:Sounds like the individuals who should have been punished were the students who were harassing and threatening the girl with the anti-Obama T-shirt. The shirt was controversial, not hateful or racist.

People who oppose the T-shirt's (albeit negative) message are projecting their own hate of the message onto the message itself. People who call the T-shirt racist are either ignorant to what racism is or are blatantly using the race card to shame into silence vulnerable people with opposing views.

What about teaching students the valuable lesson of tolerance? What about parents teaching their children that violence and threats are not the way to respond to to others with different beliefs and opposing views?

To the teachers posting comments... It's NOT appropriate for teachers to endorse a candidate or 'teach' their personal political views in the classroom in lieu of a non-partisan well rounded discussion on politics. That's because, in a classroom, teachers are in a POSITION OF POWER and their endorsement of one candidate or political party fosters a biased and intimidating learning environment.

Concerned Non-partisan MV Mom of 3

JSten wrote on Oct 19, 2008 11:57 AM:Now childrens:

School serves many purposes in our lives. How many of you went to school? I know I did.

At times class time is was used as a bully pulpit to learn the views of the teacher. At times is is used as a means of imparting information or the "curriculum". Also at times is is used to debate or discuss the issues of the day (those are called "current events").

The problem with people is that many of the less perfectly adjusted do not follow the "perfect" model of perfect discussion and discourse. Sometimes things get messy, especially when people disagree. People should just agree with me for example.

There is a component of the "curriculum" that covers basic human rights, there is another part of the "curriculum" that covers critical thinking.

Whenever someone in school actually asserts their individual rights or demonstrates critical thinking, someone else is going to be offended. A common response is to label the offending party disruptive or troublemaker; especially if the offending act runs counter to the that of the authority present.

So while we are all having a good time with our messy, offensive, and disruptive conversation online remember:

It's for the childrens, and childrens learn.

But JSten wrote on Oct 19, 2008 1:38 PM:What the "childrens" are learning here and now is disrespect for rules, exacerbated by the mother of the girl and you who defend them.

And you expect "childrens" who see their own parents show no respect for rules to grow up to respect the rules and the law?

The "childrens" that read this are learning that rules don't matter, that schools are for selfish self-expression, for exercising their rights while not giving a darn about the rights of others to use class time to learn what the teacher has to offer.

All of us adults pay for schools, all of us adults pay for teachers, the class time there is limited and the proper time for self-expression is either when asked in the classroom or when out of the classroom. Any other time is robbing others of the educational time for which we have all paid.

Would you proponents of this girl's and her mother's actions sit by and say it's OK for a plumber to charge you for an hour of time, half of which he spent on the phone talking politics?

I don't think so.

I Care wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:15 PM:Shame on both sides! I’m 68 years old and have never heard such hatred from both sides commenting on this story. This country was not founded on hate…but backbone. We’ve had election after election and people were civil. Oh yes, difference of opinion, but the American way is to work together for the good of the country, not to hate our fellow workers, schoolmates, family members, and best friends because they don’t share your opinion. After all, this great country was founded on diversity. Maybe we should all take a minute and reexamine why our ancestors left their homeland for this country and the freedoms and prosperity it offers. Any similarities to their situation and what is happening here? Maybe we should all think about things before the next war is a civil one in America.

Terry wrote on Oct 19, 2008 2:57 PM:What these kids are learning is that they have no rights and when they grow up being taught that they have no rights, they truly believe they have no rights, then it's done.... The dumbing down of America is complete. I would rather have this 15 year old girl watching my back than than any of you liberals on this blog. She has more going for her than any of you, she took a stand and did'nt back down..GOOD JOB YOUNG LADY GOOD JOB!

Joe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:07 PM:Google " Bilderberg "

World wide traveler wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:14 PM:California has been infested by the liberals so often and so long that it is hard to distinquish what is right and what is wrong. This matter is clearly a freedom of speech expression.
Oops, I forgot we're in California. The pee responsible for putting this young lady in detention need to sit down and have the constitution read to them.

Commonsense wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:49 PM:You know what is an amazing thing that no matter how ignorant you are in this country you can still vote. There should be a litmus test before you can vote, the test should make sure that you have an understanding of what the issues are and you have to know what the candidates positions are on the issues.
It defies logic that any sensible reasonable person would choose to surrender to the terrorists, these are the people that want to kill your daughter and your son, they would rape your mother and your wife, they don't count because they are infidels but at least your dog would be okay.
Vote for a guy that has about a 170 days experience and has never not voted for a tax increase, one of these candidates wants to put a 28% tax on a sale of a home and is promising a trillion dollar tax increase.... The last time they raised taxes in a recession it was called the great depression, in the early 90s when the Great State of California raised taxes during an economic slow down the state went from the 6th largest economy in the world to 47th largest economy in the world...... I just realized something maybe the shirt should have called him a terrorist after all.

To World wide traveler wrote on Oct 19, 2008 3:55 PM:A+, You have no homework tonight you don't need it because you got it.
You should skip to the next grade level.

Woe wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:04 PM:You know reading this blog, I just realized something...... It appears that a lot of these people writing in on this thing are products of the hippie generation, Timothy Leary and love ins. It's the only rational explanation.

School Teacher wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:17 PM:To Alf-Female students come to school everyday wearing tank tops and push-up bras. The skirts are getting shorter and the boys pants are hanging lower. If you feel that a political phrase on a t-shirt is distracting, you really need to visit a high school campus to understand how low on the distraction pole this truly is.

My union dues are being used to promote candidates that I don't believe in, and propositions I find appalling. Liberal views are spewed constantly from the government, american history and world history teachers at my school. Please don't even attempt to tell me that students do not have a right to express their political views when so many teachers attempt to indoctrine students to their own agendas.

And you wonder wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:18 PM:why California is 48th out of 50 states in academic performance while being at or near the top of per child funding?
I can tell you why.
Not enough attention to schoolwork and too much to "expressing themselves".
Reversing those priorities just might be THE answer.
Remember, rights used without judgement and wisdom are counterproductive while rights used with judgement and wisdom accomplish much. This girl and her mother showed neither judgement nor wisdom.
Just because they COULD does not mean they SHOULD, that's where wisdom or the lack thereof comes into play.

bottom line is... wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:32 PM:if anyone finds something offensive about what you say or what you do or what you wear...someone else is not offended by it. C'mon people...we live in a country where educators are forced to "socially promote" failing students for fear of crushing their self-esteem...I find that more repulsive! If these "kids with no smarts are our future" in an educational system forced to teach "let's make everyone happy" then we've got much bigger problems - and it's not about the Presidency!

to But JSten wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:42 PM:Seriously, if you choose to make fun of someones misuse of a term, you should reread your own post before hitting the send button.

Jerry wrote on Oct 19, 2008 4:44 PM:Whether you like it or not, everyone has the right to express their biases on t-shirts and should be free to make a fool of themselves without censorship.

Camp Counselor wrote on Oct 19, 2008 5:42 PM:Who is singing "Koombiyah" now. Spare the rod,spoil the child, someone has to teach this child acceptable behavior,her mother certainly never did.

One People- Two Times wrote on Oct 19, 2008 5:57 PM:The only difference between Liberal and a Conservative is twenty years.The liberals build the roads of diversity and tolerance despite the ridicule and reprisal for the conservatives to walk in freedom. Your welcome!

Ed wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:25 PM:With General Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama I guess he is now friends with terrorists.

Some of you right-wing extremists are very disturbing people.

Alf wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:29 PM:Well, "School Teacher" at 4:17PM,
I'll bet that your school has a dress code.
I'll also bet that the very things you mentioned, "Female students come to school everyday wearing tank tops and push-up bras. The skirts are getting shorter and the boys pants are hanging lower", are direct violations of the dress code.
I'll bet you one more thing, that by the failure of you and your school to enforce the school rules, the rules that were sent to all parents before school started,
you and your school are teaching these children disrespect and disdain for the rules in particular and authority in general.
The parents who give in to, or support the actions of, these rule-breaking children are also just as culpable, if not more so.
This should be a non-story because the girl should have been suspended, the mother should have apologized for her and her daughter's behavior and the girl should have been contrite.
The posts here that defend this girl are part of why we are so low in the national ratings.
Although it was over 5 years ago, I remember receiving the notice of school rules, I remember throwing away the baggy pants after getting a call from the school, I remember a teenage child being unhappy at having NO money to buy any more baggies behind our backs.
My answer to him was "T.S. Brian".
Regards, Alf.

But Camp Counselor wrote on Oct 19, 2008 6:37 PM:The rod is child abuse.
Freedom of speech is more important than learning or school rules.
There is no such thing as acceptable behavior because that's judgmental and might hurt their "fragile" ego.
The mother, like the daughter, is only a product of her upbringing and is not responsible for anything.
BULL!

mike wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:45 PM:So using their logic the child who was threatned by other students due to his wearing of a t-shirt that expressed his opionion is the one who is disciplined. I find this disgusting that the people who threatned the student were not punished. Once again by their lack of action the schools by their lack of action show who they really support. Thank God I went to school in a different time.

mally wrote on Oct 19, 2008 7:51 PM:well ether way if obama or mccain wins we are still screwed see obama says he will bring our troops back but for thus doing that we r a open target for the terrorist t attack one more but if mccain wins he will keep our troops in Iraq were we aloways loose a love one in the war ether way we the people in the us are still swred

to the Engineer wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:43 PM:You are the ignorant one. Oh so if you or I supported domestic terrorism we would not be able to get a DoD clearance...Hussein Obama, supported one and probably still has ties.

To Karl wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:44 PM:Sam - you haven't a clue about what our founding fathers did and you have no idea about our constitution! You should move back to your country and fix it!!

poor decisions wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:46 PM:i would agree that racism should be left out of schools, but to have a student punished for a wearg a shirt that depicts her opinions is wrong. the article basically stated that she was punished due to the shirt causing a disturbance or offending other students.... what about the kids that wear the mexican flag on their shirts or the school groups that wont allow white kids in the class because your not asian or black and yet the schools wont allow a dirt bike club that was named politically correct and happened to have only white kids..... you guessed it that groups was not allowed to be formed. . mv teacher needs to take a step back and look at the big picture around that school and this community.

To Lefty wrote on Oct 19, 2008 8:54 PM:NO BAMA

To Alf wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:02 PM:I am so happy to hear that your world is so simple. I seriously don't know what you think teachers do with their time, but they are too busy teaching illegals to speak English to be a dress code enforcers also. The person teaching disrespect are people like you, who show no tolerance and feel that everyone should live in your little bubble.

Patriotic American wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:31 PM:Support whoever you please
Obama-Biden, McCain-Palin
or the minor Party candidates,

but do not yell "fire in a crowded
theatre".

T=Shirts and buttons at school
should be limited to
straight acknowledgement of who
you are supporting or not supporting

and not "hate speech"

Even former Secretary of State
and former head of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Colin Powell
has just endorsed Obama as
the one with the best judgment,
intellect and temperament to
be President despite a 25 year
personal friendship with McCain.

Powell states that the "talk
radio crowd has gone way to
far and he does not like where
the Republican Party is going
with this(He is a Republican).

Obama is a life long Christian.
Obama does not pal around with
terrorists.

McCain has to explain his 30
year adult relationship with
domestic convicted felon and
domestic terrorist G. Gordon
Liddy who served time in Federal
Prison for trying to fix an election
and subvert the constitution under
the Nixon Administration and has
stated that if anyone had intervened
during his multiple break ins of
private businesses during his
Watergate crimes that he was
"prepared to kill them".

Liddy stated "he is not sorry"
"He would do it again".
McCain has stated that this
terrorist "is a great American"
and refuses to disassociate himself
from Liddy even now.

Also, Palin's husband is a member
of a seperatist Alaska group that
advocates illegal succession from
the USA Union. Sarah Palin has
spoken at their conventions and
told these "domestic terrorists"
that "she supports their ideals"

Obama was 8 years old and living in
Hawaii when 40 years ago these
other folks made there mistakes.
Obama just served on an educational
board with them along with
Ronald Reagan's friends.

So it sounds like McCain and Palin
more fit the definition of palling
around with terrorists than
Obama.

Stay away from "propaganda radio".
They are paid millions yearly
to spread "facts" that they just
"make up" or pull out of
their A**es.

Alf wrote on Oct 19, 2008 9:48 PM:Well, "To Alf" at 9:02PM,
I'm not the one violating school dress codes.
I'm not the one encouraging someone to be in violation of dress codes.
In my day there was a little thing called Vietnam, people getting drafted and killed.
My "little bubble" is in the real world where authority was challenged, but also respected.
You make excuses for people making rules and then not enforcing them.
As a parent, I can tell you that the worst thing a parent can do regarding rules and authority is to make rules that you do not enforce.
In your little bubble, respect for authority happens, if it does at all, in spite of your inconsistant behavior, not because of it.
Remember, the example you set will be what the child learns, in the real world. If you say to obey the law but you do 35 in a 25 zone and roll stops, that's what the teen will do behind the wheel, having learned by the observation of your lack of respect for the law and the rules.
Regards, Alf.

To And you Wonder Why wrote on Oct 19, 2008 11:47 PM:California is 48th out of 50 because of the overwhelming amount of children in the states educational system that do not speak english or do not have a full handle on english. We have more in this state than any other state has, I believe that you would be covered in Commonsense's and Woe's Blogs.

To To Karl wrote on Oct 20, 2008 12:26 AM:Apparantly my teenage daughter knows more about the United States Constitution than you do. You may wish to do some reading to find out what these men lost for their beliefs, wealth, property, freedom, family, family members murdered by the British.
But every man said that they would do it again and we are wasting it right now. What's going on today is nothing that they wanted. Be a good American study, read the Federalist Papers, The Articles of Confederation, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights and then read some history. Find out how this country started, find out about the tyranny that was suffered at the hands of the British. If you don't like what these guys had in mind then change it or move to another country, but at least you will know what you are talking about. You will find out that the constitution is not a living document it's dead it's on paper but it covers everything that we are going through today almost 230 years later.

toPat American wrote on Oct 20, 2008 7:48 AM:That is just way to much food for thought for this crowd,this town dose not have the intellect to find or process the truth. What did W Bush say about the Constitution?For a "Free Country Cry" you Repuklicans sure want to restrict a whole lot of our current Freedoms.

Alf wrote on Oct 20, 2008 10:28 AM:Well, "To And you Wonder Why" at 11:47PM on the 19th,
you seem more than willing to
add to the problem
rather than subtract from the problem.
The point still stands -
creating a disturbance by violating the dress code
AND THEN
rationalizing poor behavior, behavior that is in violation of school rules and poor judgment by both the girl and her mother
contributes to our low standing,
it does not elevate it.
Regards, Alf.

VMHS teacher wrote on Oct 20, 2008 2:37 PM:This is the sort of censorship that leads to lawsuits and it should. That someone claims to be offended does not mean another cannot express an opinion. What are we teaching our kids about personal freedoms and double standards? Give me a break. . .let the kid where the shirt. An anti-McCain shirt? I would be saying the exact same thing.

OH Alf wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:27 PM:The disipline needs to brought on the teenagers that threatened her. Basically what you are saying she was asking for it. That arugment doesn't hold water in a rape case and it doesn't hold water here. The low standing in test scores have nothing to do with dress code or a anti Obama shirt God bless this girl. Her life lesson is that when you take a stand there will can be negitive consequences,
but doing the right thing is always right and you stand up for your rights, rights are not privileges there not given there yours. Good job to you young lady, it's young people like you that give me hope for our country.

Alf wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:41 PM:Well, "VMHS teacher" at 2:37PM,
aside from the fact that the word is "wear", not "where", in reference to wearing the shirt,
I don't care if no one was offended, the female student violated school rules, the school dress code. She got less than what she deserved. Her mother needs to understand that school is a place to learn why and how she and her daughter were way out of line.
Placing selfish self-expression above education is wrong and your advocacy of it is wrong.
Regards, Alf.

Alf wrote on Oct 20, 2008 3:50 PM:Well, "OH Alf" at 3:27PM,
what part of violating the school dress code do you not understand?
Parents are sent the dress code before the start of school.
The mother encouraged her daughter to violate the rules THAT THEY KNEW WELL IN ADVANCE and is outraged when the girl is disciplined for it.
What's worse, the school even offered the girl the opportunity to simply turn the t-shirt inside out and she refused.
She defied school rules.
She refused the easy way that was offered to avoid discipline.
She got less than she deserved.
Regards, Alf.

To Alf wrote on Oct 20, 2008 6:39 PM:She should just follow orders Right? Whatever the collective wants Right?
That didn't really work out for the Nazi's..... What don't you get commrade? She did not call him a terrorist. I know you couldn't be counted on if this country were ever invaded.... It's easy to be a conformist.
Thank you for the spelling lesson.

Winston wrote on Oct 21, 2008 1:13 AM:While this seems a bit extreme, I think it's pretty obvious the shirt refers to political opinion, not the character of Obama.

Everything's racist if you say ANYthing against Obama these days.

Terrorist is a part of our lives now. She's not yelling "fire" in a theater or advocating people to be terrorists.

If she had worn an anti-McCain shirt, I would be interested to know how many of these liberal educators would have laughed instead of disciplined her.

The people violating the freedom of speech were the disciplinarians and the people allegedly "making threats." Not the girl with the "Nobama" shirt.

What law are these nuts citing, the Sedition Act?

Alf wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:07 AM:Well, "To Alf" at 6:39PM,
I have already served and defended my country.
Remember that little thing called Vietnam?
Every Marine knows the importance of rules and regulations.
You are right about one thing, it is easy to be a conformist, especially if that conformity is to your mother's political agenda,
it is more difficult not to conform to her agenda and to use the school for the purpose for which it WAS AND IS intended, to be a place of instruction and learning, to provide the EDUCATION necessary to be a productive member of society.
AFTER that is done, THEN go out and conform to anything you want.
Regards, Alf.

Mom with rules and expectations wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:07 AM:TO ALF:
You're fantastic. From what you've written here, we're the same kind of parent. Our children have rules and expectations and are expected to follow them. Our children know that there are consequences for their actions, good or bad, in any given instance of life's choices. Our children have been taught personal accountability.

How terrifying is it to you that you had to correct spelling from an alleged teacher? I am mortified by the state of the public "education" system. Almost as scary as that is the fact that several of the posts to this forum are defending the violator and her mother. For heaven's sake people, SHE BROKE THE SCHOOL RULES AND DRESS CODE AND THE BLATANTLY REFUSED TO FIX IT WHEN ASKED.
Not only did she AND her mother disregard rules set forth by MVHS, they are crying VICTIM.

But To Alf wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:37 AM:She should just obey the school rules,
PERIOD!
Without conformity to rules and their stronger counterparts, the laws, there is only anarchy, not civilized society.
The proper way to address the issue of the dress code would be to seek to change the rules in a lawful way.
Your attitude suggests that you have no interest in bringing about change the proper, legal way.
You want to compare dress codes to Nazi Germany?
How woefully and pitifully ridiculous!
Warrantless wiretapping, "enemy combatants" being held at Gitmo, torture, those things and more bear a far closer resemblance to Nazi Germany under Hitler than school dress codes.
The girl showed that she does not have the wisdom to know either the time or the place for her "statement", however, that is to be expected of a child.
The mother proved that she has neither the maturity nor the wisdom to ... if she encouraged or condoned or defended such behavior at that inappropriate venue.

But Alf wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:51 AM:What don't you guys get here? She did not call Obama a terrorist. She has the right to free speech just the same as you and I. She also has a right to be safe at school. The school over stepped their authority when they did not discipline the kids that threatened her, the school was reactionary and responded capriciously by punishing the person that wasn't threatening harm on anyone. What am I missing here? Where do you find that she is a stooge for her mother, apparently she is too stupid to have a cohesive thought process of her own. Her stand came when she refused to turn the shirt inside out, she had violated no rule up until that time. Due to the fact that she had violated no dress code the school had no authority to make her change her clothing.... Now good judgement on the other hand would have had this girl not wearing the shirt to school or turning it inside out when given the opportunity but sometimes being a coward is good judgement, thank god the founding fathers didn't use good judgement and knuckle under to tyranny.
It's easy to conform when everybody else is doing it, it takes a leader to stand up and say no........This girl said no.

Non-Partisan Realist wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:30 AM:Let me break this down for you. I am not yelling, just writing in caps to differentiate my reply from your post.

But Alf
[-] wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:51 AM:What don't you guys get here? She did not call Obama a terrorist. She has the right to free speech just the same as you and I. NO, ACTUALLY SHE DOESN'T. SHE IS A MINOR. HER RIGHTS FALL WITHIN HER PARENTS GUIDANCE. She also has a right to be safe at school. JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER STUDENT ENROLLED IN SCHOOL. The school over stepped their authority when they did not discipline the kids that threatened her,ACTUALLY, THEY OVERSTEPPED NOTHING, WHAT YOU PROBABLY MEANT TO SAY WAS THEY DID NOT EXERCISE AUTHORITY AND TRUTH BE TOLD, JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NOT IN THE PAPER DOES NOT MEAN IT DID NOT HAPPEN. The school was reactionary and responded capriciously by punishing the person that wasn't threatening harm on anyone.
THIS REACTION WAS NOT CAPRICIOUS, IT WAS JUSTIFIED. HAD THIS STUDENT JUST DONE WHAT SHE WAS ASKED, TURN THE SHIRT INSIDE OUT, THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ALL OF THIS NONSENSE. What am I missing here? Where do you find that she is a stooge for her mother, apparently she is too stupid to have a cohesive thought process of her own.NOT STUPID, JUST NOT ENTIRELY INFORMED AT 15 YEARS OLD. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? MAYBE HER MOTHER SHOULD PUT HER IN CHARGE OF THE FAMILY FINANCES SINCE SHE IS SO INFORMED..GIVE ME A BREAK Her stand came when she refused to turn the shirt inside out, she had violated no rule up until that time.SHE HAD VIOLATED A RULE, SHE VIOLATED DRESS CODE (FROM MVHS WEBSITE- Clothing with slogans/pictures or symbols that depict tobacco, alcohol, drugs, sexually explicit, lewd, obscene or offensive messages, hate, defiance, or degrades any segment of society. THE WORD TERRORIST IS DEFINED-1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.
I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THAT TERRORISM IS HATE AND DEFIANCE AND DEGRADING.
Due to the fact that she had violated no dress code the school had no authority to make her change her clothing PLEASE REFER TO THE ABOVE RESPONSE AS DRESS CODE WAS VIOLATED.... Now good judgement on the other hand would have had this girl not wearing the shirt to school or turning it inside out when given the opportunity but sometimes being a coward is good judgement, thank god the founding fathers didn't use good judgement and knuckle under to tyranny.THIS IS NOT TYRANNY, ARE YOU TRULY THAT NAIVE OR YOU JUST LIKE THE FEEL OF YOUR SOAP BOX UNDER YOUR FEET?
It's easy to conform when everybody else is doing it, it takes a leader to stand up and say no........This girl said no.YES, SHE SAID NO, TO THE UNDERPAID, HARD WORKING TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS THAT COME TO WORK TO EDUCATE CHILDREN NOT DEAL WITH POLITICS. DISCIPLINE IS ALREADY A HOT ISSUE IN SCHOOLS BECAUSE TOO MANY PARENTS ENABLE BAD BEHAVIOR IN THEIR CHILDREN THESE DAYS HOW DARE YOU APPLAUD A CHILD FOR NOT ONLY BREAKING THE RULES BUT FOR SUCH A BLATANT DEFIANCE THAT IT ENDED UP AS THE MOST COMMENTED ARTICLE ON THE WEBSITE? THAT IS TRULY WHAT THIS WHOLE ISSUE IS ABOUT. MAKING THE NEWS. SADLY, MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.

FUNNY wrote on Oct 21, 2008 2:43 PM:Funny thing is:
McCAIN is a terrorist best friend. A
ny supporter of foreign policies some 50+ years old can wear that label. This out of date foreign policy emboldens the terrorists by creating more hate for the U.S.
Terrorists in Iraq did not exist until the war started there; by Bush with McCain's support; allowed them to move in.
The true terrorist is those that would try to use fear and invoke terror to get their way. Sounds a lot like a McCain/ Palin campaign speeches to me.
Subject at hand:
She broke the dress code. Was told she needed to rectify it. Refused. Got what she deserved.
That being said. Any student that threatened her should also have gotten appropriate punishment. We don't know if that happened or not.

Alf Please wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:44 PM:Per the United States Supreme Court she does have the right to free speech among other rights even being under the age of 18, that's not me that's this crazy zany radical court we have.
The school over stepped their authority with their action's of not disciplining people that per the story threatened this girl's safety. I know 1st hand that this school was at the time of the incident reactionary, they refused to discipline the collective and they went after the minority because it was just easier and they only had to deal with a few parents instead of a gaggle of outraged parents, that's just what they do. Nobody thought this thing out. This school district is going to be sued and they are going to lose. I will bet my bottom dollar on it.
You suppose this girl is an idiot, really doesn't sound like she is. You said were in the service most idiots do what they are told when there are negative consequences backing it up, I have seen that one in action time and time again.
She probably dumb like a fox and is going to be paid well for the schools actions and lack of action on this matter.
The age of accountability is 12 years old, these kids today are a lot smarter than the kids 30 years ago and a lot more street smart than most adults are today, I deal with that on a daily basis additionally I have a 15 year old daughter she's very smart, she has a great deal of commonsense and can hold a cohesive thought in her head and has a very lodgical thought process, oh yeah and she understands finances very well.
My ex wife didn't understand finances but they still let her have a vote and have freedom of speech and I know a lot of other adults that are in the same boat.
THIS YOUNG LADY NEVER CALLED OBAMA A TERRORIST.
You are right this school business is not tyranny but this is how tranny starts by dispossessing people from their rights a little at a time and before you know it's like a frog in boiling water.
Now Alf who's on the soapbox with all the hard working teachers and administrators jargon if they don't like it they should find another job that pays as well and they get almost 3 months a year off. Last time. I was in a teachers parking lot there sure were a lot of nice new cars. California teachers accually have it pretty good compared to teachers in other states. If they don't have the temperament to work with kids there are a lot of other jobs out there.
School is where teenagers find out about the boundries in life what a better time and place than to teach them they have no rights. I am pretty sure she didn't do this because she learned it in a civics class.
Please think about this question, do you really want a bunch of people that don't question authority that just do what they are told when they are told to do it...... Because if you do that scares me.
I want free thinkers running this country not people that just follow orders.
Here is just a little story about schools take it for what it is worth my oldest son was never in any trouble growing up, great kid, he was attacked at public school by a much larger boy that had just moved from another country, my son blocked the punches pushed the the attacker away getting some bruises and lumps along the way. The schools recourse was to suspend my son and let the other boy stay in school their reasoning was the larger boy did not speak english. They ignored the fact that this kid was a blackbelt in judo or karate or one of martial arts. I was able to resolve the issue and the suspension was thrown out, the school's administration was admonished and they had to apoligize to my son.
But that's how schools operate.

To VMHS Teacher wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:34 PM:typical spelling errors from the CA teachers....Those who can't teach right....

Oh and let me clue you people in IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH OBAMA YOU ARE NOT A RACIST. You disagree with a person.

NOBAMA

To Alf wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:40 PM:Don't spout off about rules. I am a vet too and personally I don't care about you serving in Vietnam. Maybe if you tried harder you would have won that one.

Joe the Plumber wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:44 PM:NO BAMA