Ask wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:00 PM:Vote NO!

If two guys get married or two women get married, is anybody harmed by this? NO

ballot turned in absentee wrote on Oct 21, 2008 6:44 PM:I voted no. They should be entitled to the same misery/divorce that some bad hetero marriages have. I could care less who marries who. Know why ? I'm not religious!

Gee Rev Perozich wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:03 PM:As a celibate priest, what would you know about the strength of ANY marriage anyway? You want to "protect marriage?" Tell the hierarchy to stop handing out annulments to the well connected and/or well-heeled. Shame on you.

Patrick wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:12 PM:I vote YES, where did she get 4 kids from, I thought a man had to be involved.

this prop wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:17 PM:Prop 8 has NOTHING to do with human rights, gay rights, constitutional rights, hate or homophobia. All it does is FORCE the gay agenda on persons who believe that homosexuality is wrong. Wrong for any reason they have, religious, crimes against nature or other. What this prop is aimed at is indoctrinating the gay agenda into our schools, teaching our children, regardless of parental teachings, that homosexuality should be accepted. Furthermore, they wish to degrade and cheapen the the entire concept of marriage. Why dont we start suing the churches that refuse to preform gay marriages while we're at it claiming discrimination. Im all for equal rights when it comes to a gay or lesbian couple living together and receiving the same tax benefits that married couples get, just STOP shoving your agendas down me and my family's throats.

Patrick wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:42 PM:Well, other person named Patrick, there are a few options: they may be adopted, they may have been conceived through artificial insemination, they may be the result of a previous marriage (many gay people are pressured into heterosexual marriages which later fail). It's really none of your business.
As for you, "this prop", Wow! It's very clear by now that what schools may or may not teach about same-sex marriage and homosexuality has nothing to do with whether Prop. 8 passes. Similarly, Prop. 8 will never affect what happens to churches. I don't see how you can say that not passing Prop. 8 "forces the gay agenda" on anyone. It is exactly the opposite. People who support Prop. 8 are trying to use the government to force their views on others. As it stands now, everyone has the right to their own opinion, and no one has a right to force their views on anyone else.
What you've written is a very good example of what George Orwell called "doublethink": you simultaneously deny that something is true (that Prop. 8 isn't about forcing a particular religious viewpoint on everybody) while also stating that it is true (by explaining exactly why Prop. 8 is about forcing a religious viewpoint on everybody). Doublethink is usually strongly associated with fascism.

Tim wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:44 PM:"this prop" misrepresents what prop 8 is about. It does not force the gay agenda on anyone. It is very simple. The entire text of Proposition 8 is as follows:

"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid and recognized in California."

Vote Yes on 8

John wrote on Oct 21, 2008 7:58 PM:It is ignorant to think that homosexual ideas and lifestyles will not be taught in schools. I am sure it would not happen on Nov 5 (curriculum doesn't change that fast), but give it a year, or two. Soon, though, the teachers will be putting this gay movement right next to the civil rights movement, which is so sad and takes away from the civil rights movement.

Wait till the homosexual couples realize that being "married" doesn't really bring happiness to them, so they'll turn to those who teach against their lifestyle and label them bigots (it's already started) and then they will start sueing them for hate speech. They will try to push propositions and laws that forbid tax-exemption for any organization that teaches against this lifestyle.

The reality is that homosexuals unions are fundamentally different than heterosexual marriages. They are completely different dynamics, to lump them all together is very closed-minded. The way two men interact (whether gay or straight) is completely different than the way men and women interact. Therefore, even though you want to call it "marriage" it isn't, it won't be, it will ALWAYS have to have some type of precursos "gay" "same-gender" "homosexual." It's better if they just come up with their own ceremonies, their own terms, and leave traditional marriages alone.

Happily married to a real man wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:04 PM:If gaylords want to marry, so be it. But don't force it upon our priests, preachers, school teachers, wedding photographers, etc!!!! Just another reason for them to sue people! THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ON THE BALLOT! VOTE YES ON 8! This will NOT pass.

teacher voting Yes wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:08 PM:Why is marriage an important issue to gays if it is not a religious thing. Living together or being in a monogomous relationship is fine with a lot of people. Why do they need to be married?

YES ON 8 YES ON 8 wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:08 PM:YES ON 8.

I am so sick of the liberal gay and lesbians "whoa is me" attitude!! Get over yourselves and stop trying to change the world just for your so called gay rights.

YES ON 8.

Ay Dios Mio wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:22 PM:God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. If it were not for a MAN and a WOMAN, you "NO TO PROP 8" individuals would not be voicing your opinion. Thank you Father Rich for protecting our children and our community.

Curtis wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:39 PM:Some of you seemed determined to see proposition 8 pass; even if it does pass, it is not over. We will continue to work for equality and no amount of money will stop what is inevitable. The percentage of people who support equal treatment under the law is increasing every year. Meanwhile conservative churches are spending millions on prop 8 while thousands lose their homes, jobs, and even their families due to stress from the financial crisis. The money churches have spent fighting gay marriage could have been used to help people in need, but instead it has been used to try to interfere in the lives of other people. What would Jesus think of that?

8 years ago wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:41 PM:Just as 8 years ago, Californians will vote (again) that marriage is between a man and a woman. Wait and see....

Traditional values are still alive and well in America. The

BarbsKid wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:47 PM:You know.....maybe I have simplistic view, but what bothers me beyond and above the obvious denial of rights to citizens that Prop 8, the Prop 8 supporters seem to push a view of "don't impose a gay/lesbian agenda on the rest of us."

I guess I just don't understand....how does granting rights to citizens impose that on others? I mean, a gay person getting married doesn't force a heterosexual person into a gay marriage, now does it? And, in a different place and time, my husband and I would have had the same problems as gays/lesbians do nowadays...he's African American and I'm not. At one the time law said we couldn't marry. At all. Anywhere.

Now...as to the definition of marriage, why not leave that up to the civil ceremonies and the religions that do recognize a gay/lesbian's couple the right to that marriage. If a religion sanctifies a monogomous relationship (i.e., marriage) why is that an imposition on me, or you? It really isn't. The relationships exist, whether you want them to or not. You can deny this based on your beliefs, but it is simple human dignity to grant these rights to our friends, our neighbors, our sisters and brothers.

(And yes, I'm a friend of Dorothy)

BarbsKid wrote on Oct 21, 2008 8:50 PM:Oh, and John....it isn't a matter of coming up with "their own ceremonies", it's a matter of the state honoring that ceremony under the color of law. They have that right, and (being an absentee early voter) I've already voted against it. I hope enough Californians can see past the fear and doublethink, thank you very much Patrick....I completely agree!

Cimarron wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:15 PM:One question I have that I have yet to see an answer to ... how would "marriage" benefit gay couples more than the civil unions they already have? Seems to me, the code already covers everything ... so why all the hoopla about marriage?

So Cal Native YES ON 8 wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:16 PM:Please, Please VOTE YES ON 8 for the sake of our childrens future. The Gays already have civil unions protecting their rights like any other marriage. For them wanting to force their lifestyle down my throat and my childrens throat, they have another thing coming. Native Californians have already voted this down once and will vote it down again. VOTE YES ON 8 FOR THE SAKE OF ALL CHILDREN AND OUR SOCIETY AS WE KNOW IT. VOTE YES ON 8

Todd wrote on Oct 21, 2008 9:59 PM:Yes on 8, it's that simple, and i'm taking the RAINBOW back!!

Maya wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:02 PM:Right on ladies. I support you..equal rights are not special rights. Let's make this state and the country a place where all people are treated equal and allowed the same freedoms. I will be joining you on the streets to oppose proposition 8! Also, oppose 4 and 8 as well!

Watch wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:10 PM:Watch the video on KFMB Channel Eight of people ripping down Yes on Eight signs. You can view it on their website. Democracy in action, huh. Vote Yes on Eight.

East Esco Resident wrote on Oct 21, 2008 10:19 PM:This morning I saw a big 'Yes on 8' at Ash and Valley Parkway. There were more 'Yes on 8' signs at Ash and Lincoln, and at Lincoln and Broadway. How about some balanced coverage to those sign wavers!

teacher wrote on Oct 21, 2008 11:12 PM:I just don't get it: The CA constitution has been WITHOUT this sentence in it since it's inception-- has gay marriage been taught in schools up to this point? NO! No "gay agenda" is being forced by NOT CHANGING ANYTHING! What a bunch of paranoid zealots. If you have a problem with what your individual school districts teach your kids, take it up with the districts. There is no state-mandated standard that requires marriage be taught in schools. It is up to each individual district. This proposition will do nothing to education or to how you choose to raise your families. I'm voting No on Prop 8 because I believe in the inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for EVERYONE as our Constitution protects. If 8 passes, it'll just be another ton of taxpayer money that will need to be spent before yet again a Supreme Court (at either state or federal level-- or both) overturns it.

Rocko wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:24 AM:Please vote YES. If not for the morality, then for the economics. If not passed, count on your health insurance premiums greatly increasing to subsidize covering gay spouses vs two single premiums.

live and let live wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:34 AM:People all have choices and thats all cool. Please don't push your choices on me and my kids. Every year I have to make sure we don't hit Disneyland on "gay days" since the last time the "no on prop 8" people were heavy petting in front of my kids. Yeah, pushing their beliefs and our kids. Again you choices are cool with me but I don't want to have to fight you in the classroom too.

Charlie wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:52 AM:yes on 8

Escondido Resident wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:21 AM:Its very interesting to read everyone's opinions, and see how to a certain extent..this was the same negativity and invented fears, thought about blacks and browns, not too long ago.
If you are truly a concerned voter, I highly suggested you read and be open to both sides of the issue. And if your religion is guiding your vote that is respectable, but in suggesting that "the gays" are pushing their view/agendas down peoples throats and that your god created a male + female = children, I can't help but to ask if that in itself is a hypocritical argument? Because now wouldn't you be pushing your religious agenda/views on others?
And this notion that if Prop.8 doesn't pass, then our children would be taught about gays at school is incorrect. Gay and Lesbian marriage in CA has been valid for over a year and has had nothing to do with the educational system.
And "equal but separate" historically has never worked.

jojo wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:34 AM:It shouldnt matter that someone believes a marriage should be between a man and a woman. Fine go ahead and feel that way but dont force it on me. Let me live my life with the person I love and love that person the way I want to. Let me enjoy the same rights you do. I am a human being. I want the samethings out of life that you do. So please stop trying to make everyone fit into certain mold.
I dont believe abortion is right. But I most certainly would never force that on any woman. It's not my body, its not my choice, its not MY LIFE. Everyone should be free to live thier life how they want to not how someone else wants them to.
Just another quick note has any straight couple felt they are less married? Are you less in love? Do your vows now mean less to you? Is your marriage falling apart because of a gay couple married?

No on 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:29 AM:Why be reactionary & why posture over this? As a heterosexual, my life has not changed nor has my marriage been "threatened" since gays have started marrying in CA!

One does not decide to be gay, so why would anyone fear kids learning about gay rights? Kids need to learn that gay rights are human rights! Vote no on 8 because it's the right thing to do!

lady wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:50 AM:VOTING yes on 8. Enough already. As said on here already Gays HAVE the same rights in their ceremonies. Stop shoving this crap in other peoples minds. Do your thing any leave the rest of us alone.I am not going to have this crap taught to my grandkids. NO WAY,no how. Like it already,read up on it,SF,Mass. CAN WE all RE-Write laws TO fit our lifes NO....

Jenny wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:06 AM:In Massachusetts, parents thought they were protected by opt out rules, but found out that they were denied their rights because the schools used the recognition of gay marriage, as an excuse to claim that homosexual indoctrination wasn't in any way teaching about sexuality, but "families". In California, you're told you can opt out, but you wouldn't be allowed to, here is the statute that would deny you your rights:

Fields v. Palmdale School District, 427 F.3d 1197 (9th Cir. 2005) “there is no fundamental right of parents to be the exclusive provider of information regarding sexual matters to their children, either independent of their right to direct the upbringing and education of their children or encompassed by it. We also hold that parents have no due process or privacy right to override the determinations of public schools as to the information to which their children will be exposed while enrolled as students.”

Vote YES on Prop. 8!

Ralphie wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:45 AM:First, "GAY" means "HAPPY," not homosexual. Is this woman really a lesbian? That, according to people living on the island of Lesbos, would mean that she is from Lesbos. It says nothing about her sexual preferences. Since a Lesbian is by definition then a foreigner, what business does she have trying to influence our politics?

still no reason to vote no wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:52 AM:Civil rights? You can live together forever. Why marriage? No one has answered that for me. To me its just something you want to battle over because of the choice that you make. Why do gays feel they have to be married?

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:33 AM:I am voting YES on 8!!!!

Protect marriage!!!

In the name of tolerance wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:40 AM:I recall not too many years ago inter-racial marriage was illegal. Religion must be kept out of this. WE all have our rights to free speech and marriage. They are not teaching children to be gay. It's called "tolerance". I can't believe in 2008 we still need to conform to the conservative life style. If you are not harming anyone, then let it be.

In the name of tolerance wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:45 AM:To teacher, very well put. Also, in our life time, woman couldn't vote nor could black people. All you "haters" need to get a grip.

To Patrick... wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:51 AM:A church in Mass. was sued and lost because they would not perform a same sex marriage. They lost their tax exempt and now are financially ruined. Why, because the homoesexuality community feels they have the right to start destroying our churches. A private sector. They also are TEACHING 2nd graders about homosexuality. Why, because the homosexuals feel it is important that the children know about their life style CHOICE!! So to think that this prop NOT passing wil not affect our churches and our schools then you are completely wrong...
This is a comment from another blog:

This is why 8 MUST pass folks, This is what it is all about. This is what the homosexual community IS ALL ABOUT!

YES ON 8Delusion? More like Reality. There have been churches in Massachusetts that refused to perform gay marriages and we successfully sued and lost their non-profit status. Wow, you guys have your head in the sand.
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Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:56 AM:Yes on 8

Here are some facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:06 AM:Listen up people - this WILL affect what your children are taught in public school. When same-sex marriage became a law in Massachusetts, the schools began teaching that being gay is normal, as early as elementary school (books like King and King, and the Two Princes). Some parents from Massachusetts were interviewed on the radio Monday, had asked that their 7-year old child be excluded when this particular subject was being taught, and the school told them that they didn't have to notify parents, and that the law allows them to teach it, and the parents cannot have their child opt out. The parents sued, and the courts sided with the SCHOOL.

So folks, innocent little children are being affected, as well. And they will do the same thing in California public schools, if this prop does not pass. -Why has the Calif. Teachers Assoc spent over $1,000,000 (that's right - a million) dollars trying to shoot this down? PLEASE VOTE YES ON 8. THIS PROP WILL PASS~~~whether you like it or not!

gaylords wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:10 AM:I think we see the true "Christian" spirit of the people who say "yes".

Larry wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:12 AM:Doesn't this lady have a job? With four kids to raise, she should be take on a little more responsibility and look after her kids needs, not just hers.

We need some wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:13 AM:help from the Muslims in telling these people why gays should not be married with benefits. Maybe enforce Sharia Law?

to LADY wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:13 AM:You ARE re-writing laws...THE CONSTITUTION to punish others for YOUR beliefs.We talk about homosexuality openly in my house and my kids are better Christians for it. We teach them to leave judgement to GOD and to treat ALL with equality and compassion...like the BIBLE says.

been there wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:13 AM:"end of civilization as we know it" Good Riddance! Just like when blacks and whites could not get married (US SupCT, Loving v VA) it's time to change society and extend rights to everybody. This is a civil rights issue. The people supporting this Prop are no different than those who opposed ending Jim Crow.

Mark wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:14 AM:I will vote YES ON PROP. 8. Marriage between a man and woman is still the bedrock of our society and has been for thousands of years. While some may not or cannot choose the ideal family situation of a married mother and father raising children, it doesn't change the fact that such a family situation is ideal and should be reflected and promoted in law. Simply reiterating in law what marriage has always been takes nothing away from those who choose a different lifestyle. YES on 8.

As a Muslim wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:15 AM:We refuse to acknowledge any gay relationship. Our laws are very specific ........

Richard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:24 AM:To all you Christians. There is a whole world out there that does not share your beliefs. This is not your world to say that others are "forcing" anything on you. The world exists with or without your god. Your beliefs are meaningless and arbitrary to a rational person. You are the people that seek to codify YOUR belief system. Prop 8 is trying to write religion into law. No on 8.

Patrick 1 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:26 AM:To Patrick #2
…”they may be adopted”: Shouldn’t be allowed unless a man and woman are both involved, kids need a Mother AND Father.

…”they may have been conceived through artificial insemination”: Same as above point.

…”they may be the result of a previous marriage (many gay people are pressured into heterosexual marriages which later fail)”: Gay people pressured into a marriage and having kids, then obviously their “gay” beliefs are not very strong. I’m sorry this argument does not hold water. Anyone that has strong beliefs in ANYTHING cannot be pressured into going against their beliefs.

… “It's really none of your business”: Yes it is my business; the article was printed with that information so I want the details because I will be paying for state funded counseling for the innocent kids of these selfish people some day. I could only imagine the conversation between mom and her kids;

Mom, where’s dad?
You don’t have a dad.
Why not, my friend Bobby has a dad, and his dad took him fishing the other day!
Where did I come from then?
Artificial insemination.
What is artificial insemination?
Don't worry about it, you have two moms, isn't that great?
No, its not. You can't teach me to fish, I need a dad to teach me to fish...
10 years later these kids will be in counseling paid for by me because mom thinks the kids are fine, deep down the kids are so messed up from growing up in this kind of environment.
YES on 8, for the kids…

ACLU dropped a wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:27 AM:ton of contribution money for the gays on this issue. My question is if ACLU is non profit, can they donate these hugh sums or is this something the FBI needs to investigate?

Tax the Catholic Church wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:31 AM:If this Priest wants to use his position to influence the political process then I think we need to forward a few forms to his parish: 1040, 1099, etc. I even saw that Saint Mary's had "Yes on 8" signs in front of the church. Does it bother anyone other than me that this is illegal? Churches can't take political positions and remain tax exempt.

To Curtis.. wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:32 AM:yes people are loosing their jobs and their homes....your questions is why are we spending so much money on this???? Because it needs to stop. Why is the gay community pushing this when the CALIFORNIA PEOPLE already SAID NO!!

Again, the gay community wanting everything their way.

Bella wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:38 AM:I'm voting YES on 8.
where are my civil right to not have this slternative lifestyle crammed down my throat?
By the way, for people who keep crying about equal rights for everyone, just a reminder, I have the right to my opinion, so please stop trespassing on my property and stealing my YES on 8 signs.

Bad habit wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:43 AM:Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness???? As I get older I am learning that this has been shortened to just LIFE because it is impossible to have this anymore. Face it America your pursuit to LIBERTY and HAPPINESS is always on a collosion course with somebody elses and their agendas are going to be shoved down your throats whether it be religious, racial, homosexual, etc. When this country was founded the Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness was easy because everybody believed in the same agenda and there was a lot of work to be done to get this country going. Now we have so many people with different agendas that LIBERTY and the PURSUIT of HAPPINESS is almost gone and for the time being we are left with just LIFE.

Way to go Escodidoians wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:53 AM:This is issue is sooo important and sooo many of you have written. Well guess what? Another soldier was killed in Iraq today!!! The Bush war, started with his lies, is a lot more important than who marries whom. It seems to me that those who have such strong emotions about this, should be thinking of the soldiers returning in body bags. Remember, McCain wants "100 more years" of the Bush war killing our soldiers.

To Richard.. wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:59 AM:No one is shoving any religious beliefs on you. Remember that was taken away from US. Separation of church and state. But please tell me why it is ok for the gay community to shove their life styles down me and my families throat? Also, if this prop fails to pass, then I think the religion issue should be readdressed. I mean after all in the minds of the gay community we all have to live together. So if your lifestyle is going to be taught at schools, then religion should be too. If it's not, then that is in violation of MY Civil rights.

Richard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:04 AM:to "ACLU dropped a": The ACLU is actually to different non-profit groups. There is one group dedicated specifically to lobbying and legislation and so it has done nothing illegal. The other non-profit focus on defending people in court. The ACLU seeks to protect the rights of the individual. The FBI should investigate religious groups like the Knights of Columbus and churches handing out Yes on 8 signs.

brenda wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:08 AM:Go Jennifer. Whats wrong with the rest of you. Educate yourselves.The commericals on tv are a joke. We have more serious issues in our world than same sex marriages. No one takes the institution of marriage serious anyway. Do you know the statistics of divorces in the US?
NO on 8

Yes on 8 no hate wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:09 AM:Every vote counts. Every registered voter as the right to vote his/her choice. The results are then 'law' by the people, for the people. Family values are choices too. Home school is a choice. Seems no matter what an individual chooses,there are always others with 'hate agendas' waving signs when they could do 'better work' helping at soup kitchens.

why.. wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:12 AM:are you attcking the Catholic church? Churches are with in their rights to educate their parish on what is right and what is wrong. This is one reason why these people go to church. These peple belive in the Catholic doctrine and they believe in what the bible tells them. Why are the homosexual so intent on ruining the churches? Is it because the gays know that they are wrong?

Keep you signs up St. Mary's!!!

Also NCT why is it that whenever I repost a blog that says if prop 8 fails to pass then we need to sue to bring religion back into the schools.
I have typed that 4X and not once did it make it through you guys. Are you supporting the failure of prop 8?

It is Simple wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:18 AM:mar·riage
–noun
1. the social institution under which a man and woman establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

RELAX wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:22 AM:It's not affecting you if gay people marry so just calm down. Please do not impose your morals upon every one else. I think all of you are getting worked up on essentially a non-issue. Stop worrying what others are doing and take care of yourself.

To Ralphie wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:37 AM:I'm still laughing!

Moral issue wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:38 AM:Prop 8 should be expanded to include brothers marrying sisters, sisters marrying sisters, dads marrying daughters, dads marrying sons, etc. We should also include polygamy on the Prop. Why take away their rights? Who is it hurting if these people get married?

SeaMex wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:38 AM:1. There is no such thing as Gay marriage. Marriage is marriage; the question is whether all citizens are allowed the same legal rights.

2. Churches are private institutions and should be able to limit religious ceremony to certain situations or groups. However, marriage is also a legal contract. You need a license to get married, and that is issued by the courthouse not the Vatican. You need lawyers to get divorced, not priests.

3. Don't believe it when people say marriage is as old as time, etc. Most folks didn't pay much attention in history class. What we consider the traditional form of marriage is relatively new.

4. The prime argument against extending marriage rights to LGBT people is that it goes against the tradition of one man + one woman and will somehow cheapen the experience of marriage for heterosexuals. But haven't straight people already done that for themselves?

5. Gays are the last group in America who can be openly persecuted. Even allowing Prop 8 on the ballot is ridiculous. This is about attacking a minority, not protecting family values.

CPO USN-Retired wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:42 AM:If not allowing a Gay/Lesbian to marry someone of their own gender is a violation of their civil rights and non-Christian, so is not allowing a man or a woman to marry more than one person of the opposite gender! There IS Biblical precident that supports a man having more than one wife and concubines (mistress?). Why would this practice be illegal?

Regardless, I've already voted YES ON 8.

Richard wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:58 AM:What a dandy idea. Put religion back in schools if prop h8 doesn't pass! It would be nice to expose some of these "bible based" religious kids to other religions. We could teach about sikhism, animism, buddhism, taosim, judaism, Catholicism. It might do them some good and take the hate out of their hearts. Religion is a choice. Let the children choose and the school can support them. I bet the pick Buddhism.

To hear are some facts wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:01 AM:More facts, each school district decides what to teach to their children. so depending your board of trustees is the type of education children will receive. the state has standards for teaching, the standards help teachers designe their lesson, but which books to read, etc, is a local decision.
what is concerning is that a country that does not have equal rights to all of their citizens in 2008 will also needed to be taught like slavery, women's vote, glass ceiling, etc.
the issue is about equal rights to everyone, not about being gay or not.

To to patrick 651 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:03 AM:This is the same thing a guy going by “Carlsbad” is quoting. He hasn’t been able to substantiate his claim. Can you?

Simple Question wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:14 AM:Why does St. Mary's Catholic Church have pamphlets telling their members how to vote in their church, but still enjoy tax free status? I was raised and educated at St. Mary's. I will vote NO on prop 8 because I believe our whole reason for being here on earth is to learn to love. Allowing lesbians and gay men to marry takes NOTHING from me. Why is there so much hate involved with religion?

Karl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 AM:To to patrick 651 @ 903

Google "massachusetts church loses exempt status over gay issue".

Peace

teacher-- again wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 AM:Regarding Fields -vs- Palmdale, that case was asking for monetary damages-- the parents wanted MONEY and the school was protected from having to pay an outrageous claim. Do a little more digging into that case before you start using that as an example.

Also, that's what is legally enforceable, but it is the rare occurrence that the issue would go that far (ie: looking for money) In reality, schools work WITH parents to ensure the best possible education of the students.

In this standards-based education system, most school districts have an opt-out option for parents when sensitive material is being used in the classroom. For example, if a particular book is going to be used to teach a particular standard, if the parent has a concern about the particular materials (which truly concerned parents would learn about by asking the teacher at back to school night or parent-teacher conferences) then the parent can request that the child be taught the same state-mandated standard using different materials. These supposed "King and King" and even Dick and Jane books are not required materials and never will be in a standards-based curriculum.

Get involved in your local school districts and learn what goes on there. Public schools are for the masses, a place where learning and practicing tolerance is paramount to having a collaborative, productive society. Teachers spend 7 or more hours a day talking and listening to your kids-- how much time each day do parents spend with their full attention on their kids?

esteban wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:24 AM:I will vote yes on 8.

Mark wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:37 AM:I had no idea there were so many ignorant people living in San Diego County. This should be such a non-issue.

Hey barbs kid wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:40 AM:Guess what! Im an absentee voter too, and I voted FOR IT! Must be horrible to know youre vote didnt count!

deaniac83 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:45 AM:For everyone who keeps screaming marriage should only be between a man and a woman because that is the only couple that can procreate, I have a couple of questions:

First, should the government ensure that every heterosexual couple that gets married is capable of procreation? What if one partner of that heterosexual couple is unable to have children for one reason or another? Should the government prohibit THOSE marriages?

Second, should the government require that every marriage produce children that are biological children to both partners?

Third, should the government let ANY couple capable of procreating - say a 40 year old man and a 15 year old girl - get married? Or a brother and a sister? I mean, if procreation is the exclusive purpose of marriage, what ground does the government have to stop ANY couple that can procreate?

Fourth, if procreation is the purpose of marriage, what is wrong with polygamy, as long as there were partners of both sexes in such a marriage?

Funny how the opponents of same sex marriage use the same arguments (3 and 4) to try to argue against gay marriage, isn't it? The whole point you are missing is that marriage is not about procreation. It is about love, commitment and family. All of our families deserve to be treated equally under the law and given the same respects. The government should NOT be in the business of telling adults who they can and cannot marry. That's wrong.

To simple question wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:48 AM:there is no HATE involved with religion, People who choose to have religion in their lives to do so by practicing their faith. They believe in their faith and what the bible tells them. That is how they CHOOSE to live their lives. No one at St. Mary's is telling you how to live YOUR life. The signs there of for those of their church and those who CHOOSE to follow their faith. IF you were raised catholic and educated catholic at St, Mary's then you would know this. It is not like St. Mary's is forcing you to believe in what they are teaching. St. Mary's is private property, if you don't like the signs then don't look.

Chubton wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:52 AM:Protect marriage; make it illegal to divorce and, after a grace period, levy a fine on married folks who do not have kids.
Just ask Sumner Redstone, Madonna, and McCain about the joys of divorce.
THIS PROP IS WRONG. VOTE NO.

To Relax wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:54 AM:Ever stop to think that Prop 8 pushes a straight agenda?
Why is marriage (typically a religious matter) embedded in the state constitution anyway?
I voted NO on 8.

Marta wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:56 AM:I am very bothered by the commercial against Prop 8 that says gay marriage will be taught in schools. Do you think that if it isn't spoken about in schools, or anywhere else, your child will just happen to not know about it? Keep your blinders on. Education helps our children learn and think for themselves.

I've already voted a big fat NO on Prop 8. Besides, I am generally against anything that messes with the constitution, state or otherwise.

Already Voted No wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:02 AM:Can't justify legalizing prejudice, fear and hate, so I already voted NO ON 8.

To this prop wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:13 AM:The 'Yes' ads are misleading.
There is no wording in the state constitution, as it currently exists, that requires teaching alternative lifestyles in school.
Your local school board is (unfortunately) still the authority.
You would think we would be used to looking through misleading political statments by now...

This prop does not define how my or your church defines 'marriage'. It limits the rights of a minority in the state's eyes.
It's a rights/legal contract matter from the state's perspective.

Vote NO on 8.

To Rocko wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:24 AM:Rocko - gay, domestic partners are already covered by health insurance. Look it up. You are getting your info from teh wrong place. It has no effect on health care! A vote of "no" does not change anything, it would be just like it is now!

To still no reason to vote no wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 AM:Why not marriage? Men and women can also live together forever without getting married. The argument makes no sense. They want to marry for the same reasons that the rest of us do.

Jesus wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:27 AM:I would vote no.

Bless you my children.

Jesus

David wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:27 AM:1) no school will be teaching "marriage." As verified by the school board.
2) churches will not be liable. As verified by a city attorney.
3) God will never be the reason why people don't love each other.

No on 8.
No on 8.

Escondido Resident wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:32 AM:im voting no.
love and let love!

MSG Quixo wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:32 AM:People who support the right to marry are not forcing anything on anyone. You are free to get married to whomever you chose. Why do you want to take that away from other people? Who is really meddling in other people's lives?

I recently attended the wedding of two incredible, loving, giving people. Two of the most community-minded individuals I know. Please don't take away their right to live happily together. Their life has nothing to do with yours, so please stay out of it.

Why can't we join together and fight the real immoralities facing us -- poverty, violence and hatred.

To It is Simple wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:37 AM:Using a dictionary definition of marriage is worthless. The definition was created by someone based on his/her beliefs. It is intangible. It is an idea. It is subjective. Words can be erased, edited, changed, etc. Human rights cannot and should not; at least not in America. The Bible has some very outdated definitions too with regard to how women should be treated. Do you take that as fact?

To It Is Simple wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:38 AM:If only it were that simple.
The key words are 'legal commitment'.
It wasn't that long ago when you could've used this cute little argument against another minority.
Look up _Loving_v_Virginia_.

Pretty Easy wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:40 AM:I will vote yes on 8, even though I have lots of gay friends, am open minded towards the gay community and plan on educating my children the correct way about alternate lifestyles. My yes vote simply comes from my belief that the unity of a man and a woman in marriage should remain sacred. Once we allow gay marriage, what is next? Legal rights for inter-family marriage? Rights to Polygamists? Gay couples already benefit from the tax breaks, etc- why can't we just leave it at that?

ESCO GIRL wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:40 AM:PERSONALLY I THINK THE WORLD WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITHOUT RELIGION. BUT THATS MY OPINION. IT CAUSES WAY TOO MANY PROBLEMS IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT. ITS KIND OF FUNNY THAT A WHEN A PERSON WHO CONSIDERS THEMSELVES RELIGIOUS COMMITS CRIMES, CUSSES, TREATS OTHERS BADLY AND SO ON. EVEN PRIESTS! GODS SERVANTS MOLESTING KIDS! YEA THATS RELIGIOUS! THEY SHOULD PRINT THAT IN THE DAMN BIBLE. ANYWAY I THINK GAYS SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO MARRY IF THEY WANT TO. IS IT REALLY AFFECTING YOU?

To as a muslim wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:41 AM:As a muslim, you were funny hats on your head. Should we passed a law that amends the consitution so you have to take it off at work?

going to marry wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:51 AM:I can't wait to get married to my cat. That is what I want. She is going to be my dependent for tax purposes. She needs medical insurance too. Let's change it all for ME.

Prop 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:53 AM:Voting either way on prop 8 will have absolutly no effect on what is taught in schools. Existing laws already protect what a PUBLIC school district can teach.

to Curtis wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:53 AM:Curtis, you said in your blog, "The money churches have spent fighting gay marriage could have been used to help people in need, but instead it has been used to try to interfere in the lives of other people. What would Jesus think of that?"

Hey Curtis, you should let Jesus into your life and then find the answer out for yourself. He would love to hear from you.

HIGH DRAMA wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:05 AM:Ahhhh. The gays, lesbians, transexuals, transveites and B.O live for the high drama.

To Cimmaron wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:06 AM:A civil union does not give a partner rights to retirement pay, and or social security benefits. Big difference there!
Let gays marry. Who really cares?

CityGirl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:08 AM:To answer the question, why marriage when they have civil unions? In California civil unions are NOT recognized as the same as marriages. Meaning that those in civil unions do not have the same right of inheritance, death benefits, pensions or social security access that heterosexual marriages do. Therefore they are not equal. All civil unions in California have done is allowed partners to have access to each other should one become incapacitated, incarcerated, and dependents on health insurance. They can not file joint tax returns, or reap any tax benefits that married couples can. If you want to learn more about how California's Domestic Partner laws are written, I suggest you "google" it, or look it up on "Wikapedia" and compare it to Domestic Partner laws in other states. There are many homosexual couples that do not hold "ceremonies" because they believe that since they are not "sanctioned" or have real validity in society, that they don't count. Whereas, marriage ceremonies do. Even athesists and agnostics have to have a marriage ceremony to be considered married, not just a "commitment" ceremony. Vote however you want to on the issue, but become informed on BOTH sides of the issue before you make a decision, do not base it on fear, emotion, or moral code. In this county, laws are suppose to be RATIONAL and apply to ALL.

Escondido wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:11 AM:YES ON 8

k wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:23 AM:I see so many comments say "the gays", "homosexuals" etc. They are people!!! Human beings!!! Nobody has the right to impose their beliefs on anyone. If someone wants to get married they should be able to. Regardless if its to the same sex or not. How is same sex marriage hurting anyone... really??? All these people opposed to it are worried... ohh its going to hurt our childern... oh my their going to teach it in school. They don't even teach kids about straight marriage in school so what is the big deal. It seems to me that the people supporting Prop 8 are trying to push thier views on people rather then the other way around. I know me being a straight female gay marriage does not affect me in anyway. Maybe if I didn't believe in it but even then that is MY belief and shouldn't be imposed on someone else. People should just mind thier own business. There are alot of worse things that our childeren are learning about these days in school and outside of school and gay marriage is not one of them!! Maybe people should focus on that. And what right do churches have to say anything...they have priests molesting kids at an alarming rate. Last time I checked that was a sin.

YES on Prop 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:45 AM:Defend our right to dissent before it's too late! Beware the pro-homosexual propeganda being forced on society. Beware the end of free speech!

Civil Rights wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:02 PM:NO on 8.

Religious wars have killed more people than any other wars.

Those who teach & preach hate, anger, lies, fear, etc. are those who are religious and want to be Powerful.

They do not want the population to think and learn. They want the population to be dumb and believe untruths.

True religious people believe and practice "do unto others as you would have others do unto you" and understand that other folks have different points of views.

Monogamous marriage:

Civil unions do not offer the same legal benefits and protections as marriage.

Would you be happy if the government decided whom you should love and marry.

Marriage licenses are civil contracts issued by the government and not by the local churches.

America means the same civil rights for every one.

Vote NO on 8

Equal Time wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:11 PM:I saw a crowd of people waving YES ON 8 signs at an intersection near the North County Fair mall. Nothing was written about that!

John K wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:17 PM:Someone earlier quoted a dictionary for the definition of Marriage. Merriam-Webster has this as a meaning:"the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage "
Don't we believe in "Freedom of Religion" in this country? What about "Freedom from Religion" too? Cimarron asks earlier "how would 'marriage' benefit gay couples more than the civil unions they already have?". Well, Cimarron, the same holds true for straight people doesn't it? How would marriage benefit straight people verses civil unions?
Maybe I have it all wrong. Maybe we should let religions dictate who should be able to marry. Maybe we should take it even further and determine how manly and how womanly each potential partner is. After all, real men don't eat Quiche. What about women that ride Harleys or work on their cars and always have grease under their short fingernails. Maybe we need a Priest to evaluate these people too. ...and what about race? If it were up to some churches that don’t believe in our nation’s evolution we’d still have slavery too.
No, I don't think I have it wrong after all and I think this next election will prove it when Prop 8 is defeated.

To to patrick 651 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:29 PM:I'm waiting for your proof of your statement (along with "Carlsbad" from the other blog. You better not quote some radio talk show host..... You guys crack me up because you are gullible. You believe unsubstantiated claims at face value because they fit your point.

kossi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:35 PM:Separation of church and state is just that.
If you want to go tax free and continue being God fearing citizens then you are not alowed to preach from the pulpit. Do it in another venue. It makes you look bad.
Talk about shoving your agenda down one's throat. I try to teach my children Tolerence and to learn about others differences as to not make us paranoid. I welcome a child's questions about how someone can have two moms or two Dads. It is amazing how smart our kids are.
I feel sorry for those of you that vote yes on Prop 8, if your kid finds out he or she is gay, they will not want to go to you for guidence. I wish you all would get alot more passionate about Issues that really do affect your family , like the economy and the war... but I guess that is not christian enough for you.
Ask yourself WWJD? He wouldn't vote for war and he would not vote to discriminate.

Joe wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:37 PM:I couldn't care less what you do in your own home or what you have some official put on a piece of paper for you...but I do care about what you do out in public and standing on a corner, distracting people who already don't know how to drive bothers me.

This is what a majority of people who are against homosexuals don't like. For some odd reason you people feel the need to flaunt your personal things. ...

to esteban wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:39 PM:You don't want to get married?

East Esco Resident wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:47 PM:Again this morning I saw people waving YES ON 8 signs at several intersections on Ash. It appears the North County Times can find news ONLY if it happens a few blocks down the street from their offices.

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To Kossi wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:00 PM:Here is what (Lyndon) Johnson would do! (WWJD) Insert a law into the tax code to stop churches from calling him a communist for his GREAT SOCIETY plan. The Constitution protects FREE SPEECH, and prohibits government interference with the FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION. Johnson (WWJD) put the fear of IRS agents in every church meeting in Amercia. That was just another step of the evil plan. Then Johnson (WWJD) would lie about attacks of American ships by Vietnam to justify dropping bombs on Vietnam a few weeks before the 1964 election, in order to win the election. In the end, Johnson (WWJD) would decline to run for reelection in disgrace, and only after creating a giant welfare state (GREAT SOCIETY?) that cause rampant inflation that afflict America for another 15 years. Nowhere does the constitution mandate a separation of church and state. The constitution prohibits the establishment of a religion. If religion cannot stand in the present of govenrment, then next logical conclusion is that government cannot exist until religion no longer exists.

PrayR wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:06 PM:To those of you who are spouting off about having an 'agenda' "stuffed down" their throats, should just learn to keep their mouths shut. If your mouth is closed, nothing will get to your throat.... Besides, your mind is already closed - let's get your mouth shut also...

No on 8 - 25 years of marriage and is not affected by anyone's 'gay' marriage...

NO ON 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:10 PM:It disturbs and saddens me that people are so prejudiced. Why do you care who marries who? Does it hurt you in any way? Does it make you suffer? NO!! It does NOT affect YOU, so why are you being so hateful and mean? I believe that marriage should be between whomever you love. To all of those who are spouting off about this prop forcing an agenda on us: This is not forcing YOU to go out and be gay or marry someone who is gay. This prop is about equality & family values- why should we deny a couple the ability to marry and share their lives, etc just becuase of their sexual orientation? All people are created equal by GOD, so why are we treating them as unequals? Marry who you want to marry, love who you want to love.
VOTE NO ON PROP 8 AND PROVE TO THE REST OF THE NATION THAT CALIFORNIA RESPECTS PEOPLE AND TREATS EVERYONE EQUALLY!!!

Ponder the BIGGER VICTORY wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:13 PM:The state of NJ stripped the Methodist Ocean Grove Camp Meeting Association of its tax-exempt status for its property. The Methodist camp refused, for religious reasons, to allow a lesbian couple to hold a 'civil-union' ceremony at a pavilion on the camp's property. This is FACT!! Google: 'Ocean Grove bigger victory'.

Tolerance wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:15 PM:I watched "House" last night on Fox TV. Up until last night it was one of my favorite shows, until it depicted lesbian love scenes. In the name of tolerance, must we now tolerate this on a 8PM network TV show? It's difficult to tolerate something immoral. It's no easier when it pops up in front of your face every day.

No to Judicial Activism wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:23 PM:Q; Civil unions do not offer the same legal benefits and protections as marriage. Do I sue and ask a court to redefine marriage to suit my lifestyle?

A: No, you contact your legislator about introducing legislation to address the legal shortfalls of civil unions. Leave traditional families alone and stay away from their kids!

What should change wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:53 PM:Thanks to "citygirl" for your reasons about marriage. My point is we should change the rights of inheritance, pensions, etc to not include marriage,so that we can save the religious reasons of marriage. We are going about this the wrong way in my opinion. I am not a hateful person, but I have my religious believes and I stand by what God intended. Still not voting to legalize gay marriages. Sorry. Try changing it to not include marriage.

Juneboarder wrote on Oct 22, 2008 1:54 PM:There are SOOO many negative comments on here from folks that are for "Yes on 8".

Isn't it sad when it is very apparent that those on the "Yes for 8" side are extremeley defensive and almost to the point of threatening in some cases; when those on the "No for 8" side are simply trying to stand up for their human rights.

To those that say that this will shadow the civil rights movement... Do you feel that it is not okay to be racist, but okay to be sexist? Just ponder...

Quite possibly, all these folks that are so defensive are just afraid that they might actually be gay... heaven forbid.

PS: I'm not gay; I'm straight, married with one child that attends church and... I'm voting YES ON 8!!!

PEACE

Jose wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:09 PM:One of many hispanic Americans voting YES on 8.

Skip wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:11 PM:I Voted Yes on 8.

Normally I could care either way, but when I read that the "California Teachers Association (CTA)" donated One Million, Two Hundred and Fifty Thoudand Dollars for "NO", I felt compelled to vote YES! Do it for the Children.

Karl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:12 PM:Back from golf, whew it was hot out there. Best statement of the day on this blog as far as I'm concerned came from teacher--again @ 9:22 AM

"Get involved in your local school districts and learn what goes on there".

Amen and Peace

wwJd wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:27 PM:Yeah what would Jesus do? I for one would never presume to know. The people who use that little phrase have such a holier than thou approach to things. I will not pretend to know what Jesus would do. He is far greater than I.

Arlo wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:34 PM:I am voting yes also!

Karl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:35 PM:Thanks, CityGirl @ 11:08 AM for answering my question. However you provided no proof. Again, I ask, show me the proof that a civil union does not have every right/obligation of a marriage. If we are arguing over a word "marriage" we are pretty petty.

Karl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 2:48 PM:To to patrick 651
[-] wrote on Oct 22, 2008 12:29 PM:

Uh hello, I'm not sure this is what you are looking for but check my post at 9:20 AM this morning. Argue the facts not the person.

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To yes on 8 at 254 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:20 PM:You're being a child........

To no on 8 at 1251 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:22 PM:You are a child too, and an instigator. It's hard to believe it's come to this........ Everyone SHUT UP! and go out and vote. Then SHUT UP!!!

To Karl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:37 PM:Um, Googled it. Don't see a specific case. Why don't you be so kind as to reply with the actual case. Most of the information I got with the search you suggested were articles stating a church couldn't loose their tax exempt status.......

Whoa Patrick 651 is right wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:45 PM:No lies in the Yes on 8 campaign. As invited by 'Ponder the BIGGER VICTORY' at 1:13 PM, I googled, 'Ocean Grove bigger victory'. Folks, it is true. The attack on churches and and religious facilities will become more vicious if Prop 8 fails. Vote YES ON PROP *!

No on 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 3:50 PM:NO ON 8! I am a married woman and mother of 2! I am not gay, but I support you all!! You are human beings just like ME. Capable of having loving and commited relationships. So why shouldn't you be able to get married? No damn reason why not. Stop the HATe!! NO ON 8!

Solution From A Gay Man wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:06 PM:Make Marriage a religious only institution and Civil Unions the government recognized institution. Those that get married in a church will have to fill out a Civil Union form to be recognized by the government. This will get government out of the marriage business altogether. This would be a step toward separation of church and state.

KEEP IT STRAIGHT wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:16 PM:DID THE VOTER VOTE ON THIS ISSUE BEFORE??? MORE THAN ONCE???
VOTE YES ON 8

mark wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:18 PM:I believe being gay is natural..god made em that way..he also made cancer,retardation,and birth defects..so it is indeed natural...

Oh please wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:51 PM:"THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE ON THE BALLOT!"

Someone is obviously NOT paying attention to the rest of the world. Go on back to your bomb shelter.

No on 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 4:51 PM:I will be voting no on 8.

NOT Tolerant wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:04 PM:""House" last night on Fox TV ... depicted lesbian love scenes. In the name of tolerance, must we now tolerate this on a 8PM network TV show? It's difficult to tolerate something immoral. It's no easier when it pops up in front of your face every day."

TV shows can be quickly turned off. (Did not realize House is on every night.)

Books that you don't want, don't buy them; Library books you don't want, put back on the shelf.

Museum exhibits that you don't like, leave that exhibit hall.

Movies that disappoint you, get your money back and leave.

We all have our own standard of Good and Bad Taste. And what is immoral.

Immoral in your eyes, does not mean illegal.

The public has choices. Turn it off, walk away, shop elsewhere, etc.etc.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

NO on Prop 8

To solutions wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:28 PM:yes that is difenantly the answer. Keep taking God away from everything and see where the world will be. Pretty soon all we will need to procreate is a scientist. YES ON 8

portland supporter wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:33 PM:keep up the good work jennifer!
i wish i could stand on that
corner with you.
NO on prop *!

STOP HATING wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:35 PM:GOD LOVES ALL. GOD IS SADDENED WHEN HIS CHILDREN BICKER ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS. LIVE LIFE TO ITS FULLEST. IF YOU ARE GAY, SACRIFICE YOUR LIFE TO GOD AND WORK THRU HIM, NOT AGAINST HIM. LOVE YOU.

TO Mark wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:46 PM:I believe that God made us different, with strengths and weakness. Some of our challenges are weight, some are disease, some are mental, some are being born masculine or feminine. But Satan leads us to fight God's wishes. Gay people, although this doesn't make them terrible people, are weak and choose to go against God's wishes. Life is a lot simpler than we make it, Really. I know a lot of people will laugh at this explanation, but oh well. It seems that it easy to forget about Satan. And that is the way he likes it.

brenda wrote on Oct 22, 2008 5:53 PM:Looks like prop 8 is more popular than the presidential canidates....
VOTE NO ON 8

John K wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:14 PM:It’s convenient for people to use God or their religion to justify hate. Why do we believe the people that made up the religious rules or the ones that interpret them? Could they have been in an environment where they too were uncomfortable with the same issues at the time and maybe confused their feelings with the inspiration of God? Religious leaders have changed their interpretation because people’s thinking has evolved. … if they’re not flexible they lose church members which translates to cash flow. Let’s all take a step in the evolutionary process and accept life style differences. Equal rights for all! Love thy neighbor and let them love and marry anyone they want. Please vote NO on 8!

MP wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:23 PM:Solution from a Gay Man -- I'll vote yes for your idea!

To those of you who seem to be so worried about churches being sued, will you PLEASE actually look for yourself. Don't believe what other people tell you without proof!! This is what I found after a 10 second google search. Please, Please do your research before you post!

The threat that a church, synagogue or mosque could lose its tax-exempt status because it refused to do a same-sex marriage "is preposterous," said Erwin Chemerinsky, dean of the law school at the University of California-Irvine.

For example, Chemerinsky said, many rabbis, ministers and priests already refuse to marry couples of two different faiths as a matter of religious conviction, without the risk of violating laws that prohibit discrimination based on religious beliefs.

Constitution wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:29 PM:NO 8 -- 8 is full of hate.

NO 8 -- it takes away the federal and state rights that homosexuals have including income tax, health, and more.

NO 8 -- everyone including homosexuals must have the same rights.

NO 8 -- our Constitution must be followed.

NO 8 -- the Bible is not a legal instrument.

NO 8 -- the same rights for every one.

HEY No on 8 People wheres your tolerance wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:53 PM:With all the Yes on 8 sign theft and vandalism, the middle fingers I get from my Yes on 8 stickers, really shows that you don't practice what you preach about hate and tolerance. You only want Yes supporters to be Tolerant of you, BUT refuse to even consider the millions that don't see things your way!

No on 8 ADS lie wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:54 PM:Not all teachers say no to 8! and it is so embarassing that the CTA chose to support it. Trust me I will talk to my reps!

To Curtis wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:57 PM:There are Millions more of of us than there are of you.

fred wrote on Oct 22, 2008 6:58 PM:Okay children,remember Prop.215 ? Who's fighting for their rights? By the way the revenuers get over $125 for granting your so called right...I would suggest supporting the Libertarian or Constitutional Party....and Vote.. Less gov. is better gov....

LATINOS FOR YES ON 8 wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:03 PM:IN MEXICO IF YOUR GAY, WELL ITS NOT PRETTY. WE BELIEVE IN FAMILY. CREATOR, ADAM AND EVE.......NOT ADAM AND STEVE.

GAY IS BAD, NOT SO GOOD

YES ON 8, WHY YOU THINK WE GOT SO MANY KIDS, CAUSE OF A REAL MARRIAGE

Syl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:25 PM:Has anyone asked the teachers union why they are so in Favor of No on 8?

After all the CTA (California Teachers Association), just donated over one and a quarter MILLION DOLLARS to the Campaign.

Isn't great know that here in California, schools are so rich that they can donate over a Million dollars for Liberal Causes such as this one.

It seems like whenever an issue comes up where the CTA does the talking, the Teachers look Dumber and more Dumber.

aDAMANT wrote on Oct 22, 2008 7:30 PM:TO ASK: you ask if anything would be harmed? The sanctity of marriage between a man and a woman would be harmed. We both know that homosexuality is an abnormal behavior. Therefore, marriage between man and man or woman and woman is abnormal. Let's keept it the way marriage is supposed to be: Man and Woman. YES ON PROP 8!!!!!!

gays and liberals are intolerant wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:09 PM:Thats why they have pride days where they flaunt their behavior, and thats why they or their kids rip down Yes on 8 signs.

In God We Trust wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:15 PM:In God We Trust - Yes on 8.

No more anger wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:21 PM:Why is it that every time I hold up signs for Yes On 8 or drive by in my car with my Yes On 8 sticker that I am met with such spite and intolerance from those who do not support it? Every time I have driven by a large intersection on one corner there are the Yes on 8 signs with people smiling and waving and across the street the people with No on 8 signs are shouting obscenities and flipping those on the opposite corner off? Anger, verbal abuse and intolerance seem to be leading those holding No on 8. Judges 6-7.

I am ROTF wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:25 PM:laughing at the 10/21 8:08 pm post. "Whoa is me." Whoa. Bwahahahahahaha!

To Syl wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:30 PM:I agree that teachers look dumber and dumber, I am a teacher and am ashamed. The money comes from the union due. What a waste. Teachers get a lot of bad raps and this one is deserved. THANKS CTA,

No more anger wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:31 PM:God created the family unit for a reason. He wants the best for us. Often times we do not know what is best, but he always does. ALWAYS. Yes on 8.

To No more Anger wrote on Oct 22, 2008 8:51 PM:Don't bring God into it. The whole "He wants the best for us" is hilarious. Are you going to tell me War is what's best for us? I wasn't raised in the typical family unit. My mother raised me. All by herself. There are all kinds of family units. things change. Why not change with it?

People who use religion to justify things don't realize how contradictory and hypocritical they sound. Don't force your beliefs/lifestyle on me but let me force my religious ideas of how you should live your life on you. And I'm pretty sure God is the only one who is suppose to be judging so leave it up to him and go worry about something that will actually effect your everyday life. Christians are suppose to be tolerant and love thy neighbor. I don't remember there being a condition that the neighbor had to be straight?

Family unit wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:20 PM:There are many loving "gay" families with children. Hate for that to offset all the heterosexual families with the 65% divorce rate, 50% cheating rate, not to mention abusive situations. Is that what GOD intended?

separate church state wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 PM:Who is the money behind Yes on 8? The holier than thou Mormom church, that's who. God didn't want a marriage between Adam and Steve, but is it okay for Adam and Eve #1, Eve #2, Eve #3, Eve #4 and on and on? Uusally the many wives are sisters or first cousins. Incest at it's best. Polygamy is alive and well. Don't let the Mormon church and the holier than thou, use-to-be a druggie or drunk born again christian type dictate who has the right to marry and who doesn't. This is a religious issue, not moral or ethical. Get a clue people. NO ON 8...IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO!

Geeee wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:22 PM:Shouldn't churches lose their tax exempt status for using money to promote a "state" issue and influence an election?

Escondidite wrote on Oct 22, 2008 9:33 PM:This is the final proof that we need to vote No on T

No on T = Family Values

Ciara wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:26 PM:I have been out there supporting Jennifer nearly every single day. The numbers have grown from 1 to 8 to 17 to 46 in four days. If that's not support, I don't know what it. I don't understand how allowing gay marriages will lessen the sanctity of straight ones. Yes on 8-ers, answer me this:

What are you so afraid of?

That the GLBT community goes against your Bible? That same sex marriages are going to hurt your own? I wish someone could maturely enlighten me on what they think is so wrong with same-sex marriages without having to shove a Bible in my face. If one man-one woman works for you then great, get married to someone of the opposite sex. If you don't like gay marriages, don't have one.

Will the presence of a ring on the left hand of two woman REALLY change your life?

It'll change mine if I'm one of them.

down with religion wrote on Oct 22, 2008 10:42 PM:Religious freedom? How about freedom from Religion! The last thing the world needs is religion. I am voting no on 8.

The Truth Shall Free Us All wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:42 PM:Just a question for those strongly in favor of Prop 8:

If part of your arument is that gay and lesbian couples do harm by raising children, would those children they are lovingly raising been better off aborted instead of being brought to full term?

Talk amongst youself...

PS, (Of course I'm speaking as a recovering catholic), but how does a priest--a guy who hasn't experience marriage--get off giving insight on marriage?

esco mom wrote on Oct 22, 2008 11:56 PM:YES ON 8. If the moral fiber in this country sinks any lower, we will be in serious trouble.

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:15 AM:Many of these comments say something like: Why do "you" have the right to tell a person who they can marry?

Well then- do we need to abolish laws prohibiting incest, polygamy, marriage to minors, etc.

For centuries, various societes around the world have placed boundaries on marriage.

Marriage is not just a Christian idea.
Jews, Muslims, and others agree that marriage is between a man and woman.

To Ciara wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:07 AM:Hello the Bible is what it is- there needs to be no more explanation- I didn't write it OUR creater did- you will just have to answer to him. What else are you searching for- It's right there in black & white??

If this thing passes...
Thank God my son has 1 more year of school- so he doesn't have to deal with the bogus teachings. He knows right from wrong- I teach him what the bible say's, then he would be going to school and contradict everything I've taught him- I don't think so!

Also are the teachers going to teach them about statistics about AIDS with GAYS?? Or will they skip out on that one?

YES on 8!! Yes on 8!! Yes on 8!!

esteban wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:40 AM:I am married...to a woman. I don't know how she puts up with me.

Change Coming wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:14 AM:Before Sept. 11, 2001, nobody thought much about the consequences of allowing a few people to overstay their visas. After all, how was it any business of ours what those people were doing and how could they possibly affect anyone else's lives in any way?

Cardiffian wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:30 AM:Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasar's;
Render unto god what is god's

No on 8!!

Karl wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:44 AM:I asked this question yesterday about 9:30 AM and was censored for some reason. Here goes again.

I have heard that a civil union carries with it all the rights and responsibilities of marriage here in California. I have not heard anyone refute this. If this is the case then all this ado is over a word?

I am not being facetious, I would truly like to know the answer. Do civil unions have all the rights and responsibilities as marriages?

Peace

Posted 8/23/08 8:45 AM

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:15 AM:If you want to know what happens when same sex marriage is legalized just look to MA. There they legalized same sex marriage and soon after it was being "forced" upon the children on the public schools. Many say that it won't happen here but the truth is it will, and just like in MA the parents will have no right to fight it. WAKE UP LIBRIFORNIA, stop being so blind to what is to come.

SHAME ON NCT wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:18 AM:WHERE IS YOUR COVERAGE OF YES ON 8! WHERE IS THE EQUALITY?

It is amazing as well that the teachers union will give millions to this but our education system is failing, and if No on 8 passes it will fail even more.

SAD wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:36 AM:It is sad that people still feel okay with discrimination. If you were to replace "gay" with any other social group in this bill, folks would be up in arms. We are all PEOPLE FIRST! You do not have to agree with a lifestyle to tolerate it. God does not want you to hate anyone, or discriminate against anyone. God also did not designate you to JUDGE anyone... check your bible. My religious beliefs are not to be the basis for legislation. We are a country founded on the premise of separation of church and state. If you want to "protect marriage" teach your children about the sanctity of marriage yourself! With the current divorce rate, you have bigger things to worry about in "protecting marriage" than your children learning that there are some people that choose to marry within their same sex. There is a difference between "teaching" gay marriage in schools, and advocating gay marriage in schools. Schools teach about many things that you may or may not agree with, it is your job as a parent to instill your family's values in your children, it is the school's responsibility to educate your children to reality. The fact that they could be enlightened to the reality that there are gay people in this world, and that yes, in a free society, they have every right as a human being that each of us are entitled to... you get the picture. Your kids should be taught tolerance. And, consider, gay is not taught, it is who one is. If your child is "going" to be gay, they are right now. GAY PERSON; take out the label, and what have you got? A PERSON, you and me. BTW, I am hetero, married (first and only marriage) for 7 years, the father of two young boys and Catholic. I have a vested perspective.
Say NO to discrimination, say NO to 8!!!

Is it over yet wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:28 AM:Can we just vote now and be done with this idiocy? The majority of Californians voted to fix this once, this time it will stick and we'll be done with all the outsiders telling the MAJORITY how to live.

Thank goodness the majority still makes the rules, helps keep the undesirables in-line.

Of this world wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:36 AM:People: hate to break the news to you but there is no god. MAN has created about 10,000 gods so far. It's all fantasy.
Just be nice to your fellow human beings. When you die you're dead a long time.

NO on 8

To Change Coming wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:38 AM:That's not even close to the same situation ...

Mike wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:08 AM:This country has come a long way...away from God and good christian values in life and also in family....crime, drugs, abandoned children etc...we as a country must unite and get on our knees and pray to the one and only Holy Father in Heaven to heal our land and save our souls...This country was founded on christian values by our nations leaders of old...read the old testament...it is in black and white and plain to see that homesexuality is an abomination to God and a sin....for those that practice or those that turn a blind eye...search your hearts and pray for forgiveness and let God heal those wounds..Jesus loves all of us equally....life is short we all will stand before God...I want to hear from my Lord/Jesus that welcome you good and faithfull servant...yes on 8

No to Judicial Activism wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:12 AM:Q: Do civil unions have all the rights and responsibilities as marriages?

A: The GLBT activists say no, but instead of trying to get legislation introduced to address the legal shortfalls of civil unions, they chose instead to use the courts to overturn the traditionally accepted definition of marriage as a means to impose acceptance of GLBT lifestyles on everyone.

Concerned Parent wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:33 AM:When do I say enough is enough? When a 1st grade class is taken on a field trip to a lesbian wedding as part of the school’s diversity training? It’s already happened. When a doctor in private practice who has worked his whole life to become a doctor is sued and told by a judge to find another profession because he will not go against his conscience and artificially inseminate a lesbian couple? It’s already happened. When kindergarten children are provided pamphlets on gay propaganda? It’s already happened. When church social services are closed after being sued for discrimination for not doing same sex adoptions? It’s already happened. You ask what would Jesus do? Even Christ defended his own house with a whip when necessary! I don’t have any ill feelings against gay people. However, I do have the right to defend the innocence of my children against the gay activists who are trying to twist my children into a gay lifestyle. Same sex couples have all of the rights in civil unions that married couples have, they should not have the right to twist marriage to fit their gay “diversity” or “sensitivity” agenda.

Anti-Gay wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:48 AM:I should be able to marry whomever, or whatever I want. No one should be able to tell me what or who I can love & marry; it is not only anti-gay but anti everything.

As a man, if I want to marry a man, or three men at the same time; who are you to trample on my rights? I should be able to marry an animal if I want; you should not be able to tell me who or what I love.

Once Prop 8 fails, our next push will be to open up marriage & love to every one and everything. Just let people love and NO MORE HATE!

KG wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:22 PM:Thats the problem with this country today... we're so busy telling people, countries, etc how to live their lives. We can't even handle our own country or state for that matter. This isn't a democracy.... constitutional rights... rights period...don't exist anymore. We're becoming just as bad as the countries were fighting as far as rights go. Who are any of you to tell someone what they can and can't do...who they can and can't love?? If you believe in prop 8 thats your right but give the same respect to people who don't. People keep bringing religion into it and just because thats what the bible says we have to follow it?? People say "oh marriage is sacred" well more then half of the straight people that get married these days don't treat it as sacred. They cheat on their spouse, get divorced. So to use that as a crutch is BS to me.

Frustrated wrote on Oct 23, 2008 1:45 PM:Definately agree with "Concerned Parent"!!

I'm voting Yes on 8! Why is it that the people who are against Prop 8 are out ripping down our signs!! It's about freedom of speech - we aren't out taking your signs down! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion - no one should have that taken away from them. People against 8 are angry and spiteful and afraid that this will pass!! And frankly....you should be! Yes on 8!

To Sad wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:13 PM:We do not judge the people we judge the sin they commit. It is funny but 2000 years ago this was spoken about as a sign of the end times, Romans 1:27.


When they start teaching gay marriage in school, and when the children who have parents who do teach them that it is wrong, what do you think will happen to that child if they were to stand up and say"my parents told me that it is wrong for gay marriage"? I will tell you, they will be taken to the pricipal, and some left wing nut will sit them down and tell them they are wrong and that their parents do not know what they are talking about, and maybe even call the authorities for hate speech!

How can you as a catholic say that people are born gay? Do you read your bible? Does it not say that "God made Man and Woman, not man and man. This is an example of how we are supposed to live, man married to woman.

To Anti-Gay wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:16 PM:You said the truth about the reason why this even an issue "Once Prop 8 fails, our next push will be to open up marriage & love to every one and everything". This includes man and boys, women and dogs. Thank you for exposing the truth behind the gay agenda.

Does anyone else see the similarities wrote on Oct 23, 2008 2:45 PM:between the Taliban/Muslim extremists and the Religious right? They both want to make everyone live according to their beliefs or laws of their church. Scary.

Quit Using your Kids wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:06 PM:To use children and students in the fight for Prop. 8 is inexcusable and shows how far these supporters have drifted from the actual bible they claim to live by. The number one rule of any christian religion is to love. It is not our job to discriminate, to hate, to punish. Our job is to serve God and to carry out his word: and that is to love.

To Ciara wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:11 PM:"The bible is what it is" "I didn't write this thing"
That is ignorant. Humans wrote the Bible, humans decided what belonged in the Bible, humans translated the Bible into English. Notice the trend Ciara. The Bible isn't what it is. It's primary purpose is to provide a guideline and can be interpreted many many many different ways.

To ...similarities wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:15 PM:When you are done complaining about this country (which will be never).
I think you should go to Iran and push the gay-marriage agenda. I recommend you stage a protest in a major mosque.

To does anyone see the similarities wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:16 PM:No, none whatsoever.

to 10232008 307am wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:20 PM:But just because YOU believe what the Bible says doesn't mean that everyone does. Freedom OF religion also implies freedom FROM religion. And I asked for an explanation without shoving a Bible in my face.

I'm a senior and the only time I have ever been taught anything about sexuality/STDs isin Health class and in California, it is illegal to teach children Health if their parents oppose what is being taught. If you don't want your children to learn about safe sex, don't let them take that class.

Ciara

Teachers Union wrote on Oct 23, 2008 3:28 PM:I was going to vote "no" until I heard the CA Teachers Union was one of the biggest doners to the "no" side ($2 million according to MSN).

Now, I just want to know what's in it for the teachers? Why would a teachers union pour so much money into a marriage proposition? I understand groups that are for or against the issue; but a teachers union? What' in it for them (and don't tell me it's the good of their hearts).

Something looks fishy and I'll wait until election day to make my choice; hoping all the truth comes out.

Sad on To Sad wrote on Oct 23, 2008 4:10 PM:My children will not feel the need to stand up in school and tell everyone what their parents believe. And no, I do not think they would be marched to the principals office for disagreeing with a lifestyle. My children will be able to silently and respectfully disagree with ideas that are contrary to what they are taught at home.

My child learned a Chanukah song in school last year. He hasn't become Jewish yet.

My children will respect all people, of all races, all religons, Democrats, and Republicans, men and women. My children will even appreciate that there are some well meaning folks that spread hateful and discrimitory rhetoric and fear in the name of God.

My childern will love God and all people he created even if they do not look,talk,act,believe,or love exactly the way they do.

Yes I do read my Bible, and yes I do think God created homosexuals. Just as I agree that God created folks that do not believe in him. Even though the Bible speaks to this, I do not think that we should create legislation that says you must believe in a Christian God to be legally married.

If you are advocating law forbidding anything that the Bible considers an abomination, you will be very busy. Maybe you can talk to the Taliban on methods of creating a religious state.

No to discrimination!
NO on 8!

IM VOTING yES wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:46 PM:ON 8...YES ON 8...
YES ON 8!!!

N wrote on Oct 23, 2008 5:49 PM:For the sake of our children, protect our children, protect our schools, all of us who are gay were children to, its not gonna stop unless everyone stops having sex, yes this is a stupid comment. All the yes people wait till your son or daughter comes to you to talk and you turn them away and throw the bible at them, i am catholic i went to catholic schools i went to church i prayed and i am still gay i am so sorry that this upsets people. its sad. make it a law that traditional marriage cant divorce you made a vow till death do you part.then you created divorce lawyers, ,marriage councilors, domestic violence, the pill, viagra i dont remember learning that in the bible or school actually i dont remember having a class of marriage 101 at all. you people pass me in the stores and in my car did you notice the ring on my finger? did you notice i was happy? i truly believe in karma, so i will see some of the i voted yes on 8 at the PFLAG meetings. now go ahead and call me names to make yourself feel better and if i pass you on the street and your hurt i will still help you because i dont care who you are were all humans. vote no!

Kim wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:13 PM:I am frustrated! It appears to me that there is a double standard here. If you are YES on 8 you are considered homophobic, hateful, descriminatory, etc. However, there are people pushing, shoving, tearing up signs & throwing rocks at Yes on 8 supporters peacefully trying to exercise their freedom of speech. If this were being done to anyone in the gay population it would be considered a hate crime. Instead, it is being tolerated and ignored by authorities in the name of EQUALITY!? Here is a simple analogy to think about: A bird's home is in a nest and a bear lives in a den. Two different definitions of a home. Is one better than the other? No, they are just different. A union between heterosexuals is called a "marriage" (webster's dectionary) and a union between homosexuals is called a "civil union". Different definitions for different unions. However, they both have the SAME IDENTICAL rights & liberties under civil union laws already in place & these cannot & will not change whatever happens on Nov 4th. Please join me in voting YES ON 8.

to karl wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:23 PM:8:44 am Oct 23 2008
I would truly like to know the answer. Do civil unions have all the rights and responsibilities as marriages?

Monogamy:

Civil Unions do not have all the rights of marriage. Such as federal and state income tax, hospital visits, etc. Federal and state rights are not given to a homosexual couple/civil union.

Some uneducated or purposely stupid people suggest that homosexual couples/civil union must get an attorney. That is nasty, unfair and very expensive.

Homosexual couples must have all the rights from Fed and State govt that all married couples have.

Everyone must have the same rights.

Stop reading the bible.

Read the Constitution which is the law.

Stop the hate.

NO on 8 NO on 8 NO on 8

Kim wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:32 PM:I'm glad you agree. Since it's all the same, there's no need for this law. Phew!

Teachers wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:36 PM:Simple. WE teach in public schools which takes a stand on discriminating against others on the basis of: race, religion, sex, OR sexual orientation. Plus we are sick of LIES being told that we are changing our curriculum and adopting new textbooks for this. If anything YOU are pushing this into the classroom with current event discussions. Good job.

Slippery Slope wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:40 PM:I LOVE the slippery slope created by the fear mongers that equate this to polygamy (practiced by hmmmm.....the religious) or incest. By that reasoning have we given churches too much power? Is that why these religious sects feel free to molest and marry 13 year olds? You're right...this could get out of hand!!!! STOP RELIGION BEFORE ALL YOUR KIDS ARE MOLESTED!!!!

To Kim wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:41 PM:VERY WELL SAID.....YES ON 8

to shame on NCT wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:48 PM:As you see it seems to not be the NCT bu the writer.. He is the same one pushing OLGA and ABED. Notice he doesnt cover the others near as much as them. Is he flighty? YES ON 8.. The world is going to hell in a basket. People like him seem to want it closer and to happen much faster.. WE followers of God must understand to allow them as he gave us freedom of choice. They will suffer later. However, their beleifs by them or the liberals should not be pushed into our childrens minds.If they want it so much please move to an island somewhere please and stay there.

Cali wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:53 PM:My Yes on 8 sign was stolen from my front yard. Who's being intolerant here? Live as you feel you must, but don't force your idealogy on other people. Tolerance is a two way street. No on 8'ers, practice what you are preaching...Oops, I forgot, we aren't allowed to mention religion here.

What wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:07 PM:What???

Dick wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:22 PM:What difference does it make to Tom,Peter,Suan,Todd,Mike,etc.
Who sleeps with whom?Are these"freedom
living "people infringing upon YOUR lives?
And,to all of the right wing war mongers.Just think of the taxable dollars that you are missing to fund your wars?

homosexuality is a mental disorder wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 PM:Well it was until the gay lobbies influenced the APA to remove it. Yes on 8!

ONly Answer wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:41 PM:Until we evolve past religion this is the sort of ignorant ridiculous arguments we will be stuck with.

aaron wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:42 AM:yes on 8!
cool shes a mom but i agree she got her kids how? with a man!
all gay couples with kids have adopted kids from who?

they say kids need to learn and except homosexual relationships. how are kids here in the first place?

no on h8 YES ON 8!!

NO wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:20 AM:NONONONONONONNONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOONONONONONONONOONOONONONONONONONNONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNN8888888888!

LOGIC PREVAILS wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:25 AM:It is hard to believe that just 41 years ago, most states legally prohibited whites from marrying people of other races, purportedly for Biblical and "morality" reasons. Miscegenation laws were so deeply embedded in U.S. history that they were America's oldest form of legal race discrimination, lasting for over 300 years.

For decades in Florida, the penalty for interracial marriage was a maximum of 10 years in prison. Western states prohibited marriage between whites and American Indians, Filipinos, Chinese and Japanese. The rule of harsh miscegenation laws was at its height from 1880 to 1950. Although proclaimed as a Biblical-moral issue, they were generally enacted to maintain socioeconomic structures and to impose racial prejudice.

Dennis wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:17 PM:A Man and a womans union is called a "Marriage" The only fight should be what a other type of union is called they need to get there request in line and get a name for it first, and it can not be called "Marriage" trhat one is all ready tooken. vote yes on it any way I did and feel better

Brad wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:02 PM:Since this has already been voted on in the past, why is it on the ballot again?

I think the real concern is for the judges who decide that WE THE PEOPLE aren't capable of voting on what WE want! Who are these clowns and why are they allowed to tell us that what we've voted on means nothing and you'll have to vote again? Will this keep happening until we get it the way they want it?

To the Constitution quoters wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:25 PM:Which amendment gives anyone the right to marry anyone? Wasn't marriage a religious institution before the government decided to make money off of it? Doesn't that mean the "vote no's" are really saying that it is separation of church from state, but not state from church?

msgalnca wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:15 PM:First of all, if you have been divorced, cheated on your spouse or committed spousal abuse, you shouldn't have an opinion about who should and shouldn't get married. You didn't do a good job of "protecting marriage", so you shouldn't get to make the decisions for others. Secondly, the 12th amendment to the US Constitution gives all citizens the right to the "same protection under the law". Marriage is a LAW - Holy Matrimony is the religious term that is used when the service is blessed in the church. And please...stop saying that "four activist judges overturned the will of the people" - the JOB of the courts is to rule on the constitutionality of laws - it is NOT to follow a religious or traditional argument. The argument was presented, and the judges ruled correctly - "domestic partnerships" are "separate but equal". If you need a little history lesson - check out the misogeny law that was passed in Mississippi with over 80% of the "people" voting for it. Then, that darned "liberal Supreme Court" overturned the "will of the people"...in 1964! Vote NO on 8 - not because of your religion, or your traditional views, but because it is the RIGHT thing to do - for ALL citizens.

Fear Miongers wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:40 AM:The same people bleating about the gay agenda being forced on them would have been bleating about the Negro agenda being forced on them during the civil rights movement. After all, didn't the negros have their own drinking fountains, their own part of the bus, and their own schools? Why should whites have the negro lifestyle forced upon them, correct rightards? You people make me sick, so worried what someone else is doing in bed. SO worried that they might actually use a WORD. Marriage was a civil institution LONG LONG before the churches decided it was a good money maker, and as a civil institution it should be open to all consenting adults. Period.

Joe wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:56 AM:"This is about getting people to understand what they're voting for," said Myers, who said she is a lesbian. "A lot of people think by supporting this they are just protecting traditional freedoms. But they don't realize they are setting two different sets of rules."

We here in the US have become used to having two sets of rules. If you're a legal resident of the country, you pay your own medical bills. If you aren't legal, then you don't have to.

Monica wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:25 AM:I'm a parent of two daughters, one grown, one in kindergarten. I'm voting NO on 8. The yes on 8 posts and posters are so hateful. My sexuality and my hetro relationships aren't jepordized by gays and lesbians marrying. Doesn't make a difference. What's important to me is that people find happiness. If it means marrying the person you love, so be it. If it turns out that one of my girls falls in love with another girl, I won't be crushed. Just as long as she is happy and has the same rights as all other citizens, that is what is important to me. It's shameful to deny fellow citizens a right and then try to justify it by alledging that the denied group is "shoving their lifestyle down society's throat". Gay men and lesbians started this fight. It was those who would like to outlaw and oppress. No matter what the haters say, I'm supporting my fellow citizens by voting NO on 8. I hope that one day none of this will be an issue and people will be free to live their lives. I'm growing tired of all the hatred.

PROP 8 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:04 AM:PROP 8 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN !!!! .ITS SEEM LIKE MOST OF YOU HAVE NOT DONE ANY RESEARCH. GET THE FACTS STRAIGHT.

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To PROP 8 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:48 PM:Not yet but it will, mark my words it is coming, the day when our children are taught that it is right to marry who or whatever you want, as long as it makes you happy. That's right little Johnny, you are getting married to Mr Jones because he says he loves you and you would make him happy, and your parents can't stop it.

Tired of partial truths wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:24 PM:Yes, the curriculum being taught in the schools is selected/adopted by the local school board. However, what they don't tell you is that the school districts are only able to select textbooks that have been approved by the state. Bottom line - If the state wants something included in the curriculum, it will end up in the curriculum, despite what the talking heads are claiming.

PROP 8 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:00 AM:SO YOU WOULD NOT LOVE YOUR CHILD IF SHE OR HE WHERE GAY ? CHILDREN WILL NOT BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. ITS ALL A LIE .

Jen wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:27 PM:PROP 8 HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CHILDREN: "CHILDREN WILL NOT BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL ABOUT HOMOSEXUALITY. ITS ALL A LIE ."

What you just said is a lie. If (God forbid!) there are more voting for No on Prop 8 then it will make history for the State of California, and history is DOCUMENTED. And guess who LEARNS about such history...very good! CHILDREN. So yes, it does impact them greatly and they will be taught such things in school.

Proud to vote Yes on 8!!! HOOAH!

Bella wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:17 AM:I'm one of those people with the YES on 8 signs in my yard, and I am not full of hate. This has nothing to do with tolerance, it has to do with marriage, which a sacred union between a man and a woman. Where do people want to draw the line, whats next, people marrying their pets, their brothers and sisters?
I will vote YES on 8. I have had to replace the signs in my yard about 4 times now due to the loving and tolerant people who keep trespassing on my private property and stealing my signs. It seems equality for everyone doesnt really mean that does it? The no on 8's only want equality for everyone if everyone wants the same thing as them.
VOTE YES ON 8