Prosecute Fully wrote on Oct 23, 2008 6:29 PM:I am 110% opposed to Prop 8 and have already voted accordingly. People like Ms Erlenwein, while clearly passionate, are not helping anything or anyone by such deplorable actions.

The idea of writing discrimination into our constitution should be reason enough to vote against it (no matter what the Bible says) and, for those who disagree, such thievery will not change their minds.

It's difficult to understand how someone who, in theory, is pro equality by being against Prop 8 would stoop to the level of subverting someone else's opportunity to express an opposing viewpoint.

NO ON 8!

YES ON 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:39 PM:This is just another example as too the lengths people will go to force alternative lifetyles (nice name for it) upon me and my family. I do not want my children educated in homosexuality at school. This will happen if prop 8 isn't passed. I believe in marriage. It is between a man and a woman not matter how badly one wants to disrespect the bible.

Please vote yes on 8

William wrote on Oct 23, 2008 7:56 PM:Now that is what I call dumb, people like Ms Erlenwein are just the reason to vote YES ON PROP 8! Save our right to vote and have our vote count, as it did years ago before the liberal courts deicded what was best for the people of California. Vote yes on prop 8.

Thank you,

To William wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:38 PM:"people like Ms Erlenwein are just the reason to vote YES ON PROP 8!"

Now THAT is what I call DUMB!!!! Anyone who would use a situation like this to determine how they vote on an issue that will affect thousands upon thousands of people should not have the right to vote ... they're clearly unqualified!

To Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:41 PM:One must respect something in order to ultimately disrespect it. I personally couldn't respect anything or anyone that encourages or practices such blatant bigotry.

Of course, I know nothing will change your mind because you're obviously one of those brainwashed sheep who believe this bill includes the modifications of our states educational curriculum.

If only we could cure stupid.

vistalandowner wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:41 PM:She should be able to force her opinion on regular folks but they have no similar rights in her eyes? Interesting.

Freedom wrote on Oct 23, 2008 8:54 PM:She took the signs to her car, eh? She obviously was going to see that they were not used again. Incredible arrogance and self centeredness. I hope her wife knows this about her.

Carlsbad Resident wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:00 PM:The other night we saw a woman and her little girl steal a No On 8 Sign on the corner of College Blvd. and Carlsbad Village Dr. Many more No On 8 signs have disappeared in the neighborhood. Why doesn't that make the headlines? Teach acceptance not discrimination! Vote NO ON 8!

Yes On 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:26 PM:On HWY 76 from the College Blvd. intersection down to the beach someone spray painted 'No' over the 'Yes' part of the 'Yes on 8' signs. There were about 15 signs along the 76 and every single one of them were vandelized.

So Cal Native YES ON 8 wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:27 PM:Protect our children and our childrens, children. VOTE YES ON 8. The gays already have their civil unions protecting their rights. PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, VOTE YES ON 8!!

i didnt think wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:32 PM:it was a crime to steal the signs, any signs. We all have a right to voice our opinion. Whether we agree with others or not, I don't think it's a good idea to take the signs down. I see plenty I don't agree with and I don't care. That's the other persons choice to think or vote yes or no on something. I think and vote the way I do, no sign is going to tell me otherwise. I agree, NO on 8--let everyone have the choice to do as they wish with their lives. I also have friends that are saying YES on 8---so be it. That's their choice. I hope it's not a huge punishment for Ms. Erlenwein. There are far more important things cops should be focusing on.

Ironic wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:02 PM:I find it ironic that the YES on 8 crowd are worried that gay marriage will be taught in our schools and they won't have "parental control" in how and when they're children learn about it. On Wednesday afternoon I drove through three major intersections from Encinitas to La Costa with Pro 8 supporters on each street corner. My six year old kept asking me what YES on 8 meant. I don't feel the need to explain this issue to him at his age. Now where is my "parental control" on telling my kids about these issues?

John O wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:16 PM:"married her wife"??? Huh? Am I the only person that notices how bizarre that sounds? Shouldn't some explanation come with that to explain? Someone would say "pink mud" without explaining why it was pink, because it's not impossible but highly unusual for the mud to be pink...

We lived in the SF Bay area from '99 -'05, and discovered there are no people as intolerant as the left. This woman is a prime example. If you're in agreement, then yes, they're "tolerant".

confused wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:19 PM:Unbiased question here: How do you visually differentiate between permitted and not permitted signs? In this case, they were obviously on public property - shouldn't there be some city tag or sticker? (Like some stores or vendors use to mark purchased items.) Anyone could SAY they have a permit, but where's the on-the-spot proof? Otherwise it's fair to remove what is normally illegal.

John O wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:19 PM:this is about science and nature, not bible, religion, gays. Man+ woman = procreation - -it's a fundamental building block of society and everything should be done to nurture and protect it, to keep our society strong. That's why a significant number of intellgient gays are in favor of Prop 8. They don't want to see society degrade. Gays have their freedom. the 3% don't need to change marriage for the 97%

The CALFORNIA TEACHERS ASSOCIATION wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:33 PM:The CTA made me change my vote to YES.

When I found out that the CTA donated over a Million and a Quarter Dollars on No, I was shocked.

What about the students, the state of the schools and the state of education in California.

And then they (CTA) waste all of this money on some silly Prop.

R/ Skip

To the No on 8 People wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:44 PM:I am sick to death of your name calling!!

Why do I have to be called a Bigot or a racist or intolerant!?!? Because I have religious values that don't fit in your world!!!

I have to tell you all; that you are the intolerant ones!

I will not today, tomorrow or ever take the PC road on this issue or any other issue I feel strongly about!

I will NOT be force to accept an unnatural lifestyle you throw under the umbrella of love.

I am tired of being forced to accept illegal immigration, sex. drugs, gangs and Gay marriage all in the name of Political correctness and at the expensive of my Tax dollars.

I am tired of being the good Joe that goes to work, obeys the law, thanks the Lord and pays taxes so the rest of you immoral people can crap all over me.

Throw the Book at the little sign thief!!!

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter - Martin Luther King

to Prosecute Fully wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:47 PM:No on 8 is discriminating against straight families, ever think about it that way?

Its discriminating against Parents that want to raise their kids as a man and a woman and not have your kids indoctrinated in the public school that GAY is OK.

O John wrote on Oct 23, 2008 10:49 PM:Well put!

Easy Solution wrote on Oct 23, 2008 11:44 PM:Heard a great solution tonight at the Carlsbad City Council Candidate debate: save the environment, money, and everyone's sanity by discussing the issues and campaigns like adults, not with ridiculous plastic signs. The signs say so very little, especially when you think about how very long they'll be in the landfill.

petty act wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:21 AM:although I may disagree with what you have to say, I will defend to the death your right to say it. FREEDOM OF SPEECH

William wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:45 AM:If its all about "procreation" should infertile or childless couples be allowed to continue in their fruitless marriages?

If it isn't a religious issue, why is this initiative covered in the fingerprints of the religious groups?

Roberto1 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:45 AM:I thought they said she was a passionate thesbian?

ALL MARRIAGES SHOULD BE ABOLISHED wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:19 AM:Laws regarding marriage should be abolished altogether. This is a church matter. If someone wants their union blessed by a church, so be it. But why have laws for a union in the first place. Dumb laws, created by lawyers. They make the money when they fail. People should handle their own break ups. It wouldn't be so messy if it weren't for "laws" interferring with people's lives. Why have them? Abolish all of them, that's the right thing to do!

Lady wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:43 AM:Yes on 8 GOOD so glad to see the law step in!!! I have had enough of this stupid crap... As said on here already..The Gays HAVE their "unions" LEAVE the rest of US alone. The rest of US can't change "laws" that WE don't like!!

Larry wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:18 AM:Why do these sort of people keep moving to Carlsbad?

Nice wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:30 AM:Book Her

Alf wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:31 AM:Well, "John O" at 10:19PM,
Kimberly Erlenwein should have her day in court and, if found guilty, get the maximum sentence.
The state of California issues marriage licenses, the California Constitution specifies that there can be no discrimination based on sexual orientation,
the State Supreme court noted both facts and ruled accordingly.
2 plus 2 equals 4.
That is one of the many reasons that I will
Vote NO on Prop. 8
Regards, Alf.

Alf wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:39 AM:One more thing, "John O" at 10:19PM,
please explain how marriage is changed "for the 97%".
My marriage of 16 years has not changed in the slightest since last May.
Adding that 3% to the 97% of people who can legally marry makes 100% of the adult Citizens who can legally marry any other adult Citizen who is not already married, it does not take away anything except the ability to discriminate under the color of law.
Regards, Alf.

Patrick wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:47 AM:Glad she ... got caught. Shows what type of people they actually are; that a sign can make them so upset. By the way, YES on 8

to John O wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:52 AM:So you're basically arguing that, because they cannot procreate, infertile couples and elderly couples should not have the right to marry? That's tolerance for you.

Im cool with wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:22 AM:civic unions. Leave the term "marriage" alone and between a man and a woman. Don't mess with God's laws.

Joe wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:36 AM:She married her wife?

This is going to get confusing...sort of like a white person from South Africa moving to the US and becoming a citizen. Would we call this person an African American?

Jet wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:39 AM:I do the opposite of CTA.....

Belle wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:52 AM:dare I say "AMEN!"? oh, wait, maybe that's now "hate speech," in these days of social enlightenment and policital correctness...!?

Citizens of CA! Do not stand down to the overtly vocal minority of "tolerance" We voted common sense in 2000, and we will raise our voices again through the democratic process(not through the backdoor by activist judges, intimidation and childish name calling) vote YES on 8!

Loren wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:57 AM:Let's see here...she was contrite after being arrested...but SO passionate about "clutter" in the median that she had to do something! What about all the other signs around for city council and such? Did she take them? No...just the ones that were opposed to her way of thinking. ... Sheesh. The whole thing stinks.

Re to Prosecute Fully wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:01 AM:"No on 8 is discriminating against straight families, ever think about it that way? Its discriminating against Parents that want to raise their kids as a man and a woman and not have your kids indoctrinated in the public school that GAY is OK."

Uh ... No I can't say that though ever did or would occur to me. It's too ridiculous. As a heterosexual parent of 2 that has been happily unmarried to my husband for more than 10 years, I don't feel that I have lost or will lose any control over my children as a result of gay people. Marriage is not currently a part of the schools curriculum and wouldn't likely ever be discussed unless it was in the course of a sex-ed or health class. In those instances, homosexuality should already be included in that discussion and you, as a parent, have every right to remove your child from that type of class anyway. Beyond that, if you don't like what's going on in public schools ... you also have every right to move your kid to a private school. You also have the ability to be involved in your child's education and talk to them about what they're learning. If you don't agree with the take being presented, present another one. The idea that you think the schools are the ones in total control over your child's education speaks volumes. Someone that naive or uninvolved in their own lives really should be voting to affect the lives of others at all.

As far as my kids go, we've discussed this issue and they are also opposed (although they can't vote). Both have gay friends (and in school no less) and they fail to see how their friends ability to get married would affect anyone other than their friends.

C-bad believer wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:30 AM:this lady has more in common with the yes for 8 (hate) people - ... leave signs be and stand out and protest if you're so passionate on an issue - it's cheesey to rip down signs no matter what the issue.

John wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:36 AM:It would have been so much easier for her to change the "YES" to a "NO" on each sign! After all, if Prop. 8 is about "protecting marriage", then why does it need to pass? WHat makes a so-called "marriage" somehow "more protected" because it is between heterosexuals vs. homosexuals? (Remember, the polygamsits all of whom are HETEROSEXUAL, will be the next group to demand "Marriage equality"!). This initiative is stupid (which is why I voted "NO" on it), and governmental "recognition" of adults "marriage" NEEDS TO STOP! PERIOD!

I was unsure wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:38 AM:how to vote but after reading this article I will vote YES 0n 8.

Be SURE that you need to vote NO on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:18 AM:I'm so disgusted by all of the fools who think their lives, their views, are more important than those of others. It's absolutely deplorable. Anyone who thinks the Bible is the bottom line truth is a fool, and you've lived in your white american bubble too long to venture out and see that you are a tiny, tiny part of this entire amazing world where we're all different. Religion is a joke, wake up. Anyone that says yes on 8 is a bigot-I don't care how you try and justify your position. YOU ARE A BIGOT IF YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE, AND HOW DARE YOU DISGRACE YOUR RELIGION BY USING IT TO JUSTIFY YOUR BIGOTRY??? What an embarassment, I am so embarassed to be a part of this country sometimes because of fools like these ignorant Yes on 8 people-but I stick around because someone has to stand up for human rights that are threatened by stupid jerks like all of you yes on 8 people. Being straight is no better than being a homosexual-get over yourself, stop pretending like your family will be threatened by innocent people entitled to live a happy life like you are.

To I was unsure wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:18 AM:Well that's brilliant ... It's always nice to see that we have such well-informed voters going to the polls.

NO ON 8

Patrick wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:19 AM:NCT, I appreciate you approving my post at 5:47 except for the part you omitted, shame on you. I did not say anything vulgar or illegal. I typed a mistake and I corrected myself...

call me Johnson wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:30 AM:blah blah blah blah. Just make sure you vote. Enough of the rhetoric….. At this point, I don't think there are any undecided on this issue....

esteban wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:32 AM:Just goes to show that liberals, who say they are all for free speech, are really against any speech that they disagree with. And to the poster at 8:18am...you are a joke. The homosexual lifestyle is degrading to the human race.

lenny wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:33 AM:I'm 55, this woman is 28. I probably would have done the same thing at 28. She obviously cared enough to do SOMETHING. Kimberly, if you read this....take all that energy and re-direct it. No on 8 needs you and your support.

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:34 AM:She said ""I thought that, because the signs were on public property, I had as much right to take them down as the other person did to put them up". This is plain and simple (she pilfered something someone else paid for) and felony stupid. ...

No vote HATE wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:37 AM:Why are "no" supporters so full of hate? Why do they hate all religions? Why do they hate people who support traditional marriage? Why do they hate people who put signs in their front yards? Why do "no" supporters hate everyone but those who do what they say? A "YES" vote is a vote against hate.

But I was unsure wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:38 AM:No, you were not.
You, like many other yes on 8 anachronists simply use this to try to fool people. As Alf notes, if the state issues marriage licenses and the state can't discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation then the state can't prohibit same sex marriage or define it ONLY as between a man and a woman as being recognized and valid.

CT wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:40 AM:I think we should take every single campaign sign down! They litter our town and accomplish very little.

To Be sure.... wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:41 AM:You are embarassed of this country? YOU are in the minority my slow-witted friend. If I was one of the very, very few that believe how you do; I'd be confused too.
The MAJORITY of Californians already stated how they wanted marriage defined.
Also, I love when people who have chosen a lifestyle of sin preach to me about ANY religion. Can anyone say "no credibility."

OMG wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:43 AM:My first though was that it is ridiculous to believe that removing a few of the thousands of signs would have any affect on the outcomme of this issue, the signs don't change any minds.
But after reading comments about how stealing the signs is a reason for casting ones vote for/against by "william" and "Iwas unsure", the prejudicial and intolerant "how they are" in "Patricks" comment, and my favorite is
"Im cool with @ 6:22 AM:
Trying to force his gods law on those trying to defeat a law threatening their chosen way of life.

Thoughtful comments mostly, but this comment section is truly enlightening as to how scary our electorate is.

Just wondering wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:43 AM:Is it possible to join two screws together or two nuts naturally…without looking odd an actually serving the purpose they were meant to be for?
YES ON 8 seems to be the way

to Joe wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:44 AM:You said, "This is going to get confusing...sort of like a white person from South Africa moving to the US and becoming a citizen. Would we call this person an African American?"

Thanks for the good laugh, that was funny.

Taking political signs is petty, this whole election year has become sickening and pitiful, people are showing their anger and bad side more than ever. Come on American...'United we stand, divided we fall.'

km wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:44 AM:I am afraid that this is one of the few opportunities that some will take to push their own personal agendas on the rest of us. If you think that this will not affect the schools you are sorely mistaken. My kids are in public school and my son was told that it was mandatory that he read the book, Clockwork Orange. I was outraged that a book I considered to be ographic, among other things, was going to be mandatory. The teacher admitted that it gave him the platform to share his personal beliefs in the classroom.

So, if you don't think this will affect our children in the classrooms, think again!

Worthless wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:45 AM:As a society we could make campaign sign useless if we would just inform ourselves of the propositions and candidates and vote intelligently.
Then we could ban all public visual advertising and get our views back and lessen the objects vandals can deface.

Richard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:46 AM:If I could find Yes On 8 signs I would follow Mrs. Erlenwein's lead. It's an "abomination" to put hate signs in public view! NO ON 8!!!!!!!

To I was unsure wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:47 AM:Please don't decide your vote on the responses to this article. Most of these people are are afraid that this issue will affect their children, which it will not. The schools will not teach gay marriage. They don't teach tradational marriage. Besides no one will ever become gay by talking about. Do some research on your own. Read the unbiased pro's and con's put out by the state. I believe in EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL!

Richard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:48 AM:If I could find Yes On 8 signs I would follow Mrs. Erlenwein's lead. It's an "abomination" to put hate signs in public view! NO ON 8!!!!!!!

Stupid Jerks wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:51 AM:Did the 8:18 post (way too long) call everyone that didn't agree with the "no vote" stupid jerks? Classic rhetoric, you should be a professional debater.

And did you compare Californians defining marriage to human rights? Did you say religion is a joke?
Have you EVER been out of So Cal? Maybe you need to turn-off the TV and visit the rest of the world. I suspect people in Darfur, Iran, or Tibet would laugh at your complete ignorance.
Thank goodness you were probably too lazy or clueless to actually register to vote.

ToBe SURE that you need to vote NO on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:56 AM:It is funny that the same people who call Yes on 8 supporters bigots, are the same people to won't let churches or anything to do with religion be in schools. DOUBLE STANDARDS. Sounds like the Democrat party, OSAMA, and the Stumbler can say all they want and noone points it out(except Fox News) but let McCain or palin say something and the lib's are all over it.

A No on 8 will cause the government to force gay marriage upon the people, couple this with the election on Osama and this country will no loger be a democracy, can anyone say socialism!

TO ESTEBAN wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:57 AM:I find you and people like you to be degrading to the human race, you are yet another bigot who has as sad and false vision that your lifestyle choices are better or more moral than others. What people like you fail to remember is that we're all human beings, and we're all flawed in being human. There is nothing that separates one of us from the other, except for our stupidity and intolerance of one another, which you're demonstrating week after week by your ignorant comments and close-minded views.

Uncivil unions wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:59 AM:If all of the gay bashers think that civil unions are just as good, they should have their marriages dissolved and then replaced with civil unions.

TJ wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:05 AM:"what if this is as good as it gets?"

There is a sadness which arises
seeing people attempt to repress
other people in the "name of religion"

try a little kindness

To No vote HATE wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:09 AM:I'm vehemently opposed to Prop 8 and I can honestly say I don't hate anyone with regards to this issue. I also don't hate your religion (or any religion). I just don't get it. I don't understand people who need religion to know what's right and what's wrong. I don't understand people who need the 10 commandments to tell them not to steal or kill or covet or whatever. I believe that religion is the killer of progress by stifling individual thought and I find it tragic that so many people feed into it.

It's not hate ... just a lack of understanding. I would imagine the same thing that plagues the majority of those who are Yes on 8. Not necessarily motivated by hate ... just a lack of understanding.

Reason wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:10 AM:This incident is indicative of the hard core No on 8 crowd. They have no respect for anyone who has an opinion different than theirs (the majority of the No on 8 people, though, are reasonable and respect other's right to express contrary views). If you think that this hard core element is going to leave their agenda out of the schools, you are very naive.

Folks, the reason that marriage has always meant a union between and man and a woman is due to the realities of nature, biology, and anatomy. It has nothing to do with bigotry, hatred, or homophobia. A union of something other than a man and a woman is different, and therefore should have a different name (i.e. domestic partnership).

Once you accept one absurd definition of marriage, you must accept them all. The same rational underlying the argument for same sex marriage (i.e. no one should be denied the right to marry the one they love) supports the argument for marriage between 3 men, between 4 men and a 14-year old girl, and between one man and a 12 year old boy. If you don't accept all of these definitions, then you must be hateful, intolerant, bigoted, right?

To km wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:14 AM:A Clockwork Orange compared to same-sex marriage ... A bit of a stretch I have to say.

Although I would be curious how old your son was that A Clockwork Orange would have been on the reading list.

NO on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:14 AM:wanna protect marriage??? That is the biggest JOKE I've ever heard! I guess you people would have been taking away the rights of African-Americans in the 60's! By the way..after all the rights Woman have fought for, how do you have the nerve to take someone elses rights away??? If they don't teach in school, your kids will never learn about homosexuals???? GET REAL PEOPLE!!!

fred wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:15 AM:Regards to Alf ... why should Kimberly (if found guilty w/ out priors ) be given the maximum sentence ? Secondly the fact that the State issues licenses (some questionable ) and the wording in the Ca. Constitution are in conflict w/ traditional definition of marriage ,is the reason for Prop. 8 . Maybe the State should get out of the Marriage business....

Re ToBe SURE wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:17 AM:at 8:56 ... I'm sorry to say this, but your use of Osama is enough to show how both petty and ignorant you truly are. It removes so much credibility from your posting that the rest just reads like blah, blah, blah.

Happily Unmarried wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:21 AM:My husband and I are completely hetero, have been together for more than a decade and are incredibly happily unmarried. We also plan to stay that way.

Neither of us can figure out why so many people need a church or government to recognize a personal commitment. But hey ... whatever floats your boat. Your marriage (straight or gay) doesn't affect our non-marriage in even the slightest of ways.

About The First Vote wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:24 AM:All the Yes on 8ers want to point out that the MAJORITY of Californians have already made their position clear in the vote.

Without picking a side, I would like to point out that that statement isn't entirely accurate.

The majority of Californians didn't say anything. The decision was made by the majority of Californians who are registered to vote AND who actually voted.

I would imagine there are a lot of people who didn't vote last time because they probably believed something they felt to be so hateful could never have passed and, therefore, didn't think they needed to participate.

Of course that's incredibly incorrect and I would imagine that this vote will be close no matter which way they ultimately go, but I also imagine the number of people voting will go up dramatically. Neither side should sit on their haunches to wait and see. Things are different and both sides need to be ready to be surprised when it's all over.

Gay Bashers wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:31 AM:The only people who cry about "gay bashing" are the no-on-8 people. I have heard no comments from the "yes" crowd that bash gays; only comments to support marriage.
Trying to throw out the "gay bashing" things is a last-ditch effort for a losing cause.

Trend wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:33 AM:Republican...conservative...religious...anti-gay...anti-Muslim...racist...

WHY wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:34 AM:Why was there a PUBLIC ordinance to put those signs there????Signs paid for by the MORMON church?????? WHY IS THAT OKAY??????

Ignorant Uninformed wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:38 AM:I think it's pathetic that people don't know that tolerance and acceptance of families with same-sex parents is ALREADY being taught in schools -- because it is LIFE! Many children in San Diego are already living in loving homes with gay & lesbian parents and guess what -- whey they draw pictures at school of what their families look like, they draw two mommies or two daddies. Teachers respect that because that is their reality -- they live in LOVING homes with two parents of the same gender. It is wrong for teachers to discriminate, just as it is wrong for us to discriminate. What matters is civil rights -- that NO ONE should have their rights taken away under the law and NO ONE should be treated differently based on who they choose to love.
And by the way, civil unions and domestic partnerships are not the same as marriage -- they do not provide the same amount of rights under the law -- separate but equal did not hold up during segregation and it does not hold up now.
EQUALITY FOR ALL.
VOTE NO ON PROP 8.

Not unsure anymore wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:40 AM:after reading some of the hateful comments regarding my earlier blog, I WILL DEFINETLY VOTE YES ON 8! Haven't you heard you catch more flies with sugar than vinegar?

Patrick wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:44 AM:To "Be Sure"...

“I'm so disgusted by all of the fools who think their lives, their views, are more important than those of others” Well I’m disgusted by homosexuals, there we are even.

“Anyone who thinks the Bible is the bottom line truth is a fool, and you've lived in your white american bubble too long to venture out and see that you are a tiny, tiny part of this entire amazing world where we're all different. Religion is a joke, wake up” WOW, good luck explaining this statement during your judgment day…

.”Anyone that says yes on 8 is a bigot-I don't care how you try and justify your position. YOU ARE A BIGOT IF YOU DISCRIMINATE AGAINST PEOPLE, AND HOW DARE YOU DISGRACE YOUR RELIGION BY USING IT TO JUSTIFY YOUR BIGOTRY???” We are not discriminating we are just protecting our children from people like you.

“What an embarassment, I am so embarassed to be a part of this country sometimes” Then move away to another part of “this amazing world”.

“Being straight is no better than being a homosexual” Have you been both straight AND homosexual, how do you know this? If you have been both then you just destroyed the argument of homosexuals that homosexuality is a not a choice but that they are born this way. By the way, YES on 8.

A Friend wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:53 AM:I think it was great what she did! The signs ARE distracting and all of them should be kept on people's personal property...not on a public street median!

VERITAS wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:53 AM:I don't think marriage has been defined by cultures. Rather, I think it has been described by them. The difference in terms is significant. If marriage is defined by culture, then it is merely a construction that culture is free to change when it desires. The definition may have been stable for millennia, yet it is still a convention and therefore subject to alteration. This is, in fact, the argument of the those in favor of same-sex marriage.

The truth is, it is not culture that constructs marriages or the families that marriages begin. Rather, it is the other way around: Marriage and family construct culture. As the building blocks of civilization, families are logically prior to society as the parts are prior to the whole. Bricks aren’t the result of the building because the building is made up of bricks. You must have the first before you can get the second.

Societies are large groups of families. Since families are constituent of culture, cultures cannot define them. They merely observe their parts, as it were, and acknowledge what they have discovered. Society then enacts laws not to create marriage and families according to arbitrary convention, but to protect that which already exists, being essential to the whole.

When do wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:54 AM:the singles get the benefits of married couples, hmmmm? If the gays get it, then everyone must get it. Yes on 8!!!

Jen wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:58 AM:How is it anyone can read her logic and then say she's dumb or she did something unbelievably wrong? I, too, would have thought I'd have as much right to remove something from a public place as someone had to put it there. The difference is that in this case, this group had a permit. Is that common knowledge that permits are needed for those signs? It wasn't like Ms. Erlenwein destroyed the signs or resisted her arrest.

The fact the Pro 8 has scared parents into thinking that schools will start PROMOTING homosexually is really, really sad and definitely the ONLY strategy republicans know how to use: People who are afraid will believe anything so keep the people scared.

Ms. Erlenwein was right - laws should be about protecting rights not taking them away. Teach your children hatred and intolerance on your own time.

NO on 8!

to Re to Prosecute Fully wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:05 AM:Wake up and smell the coffee!

"Parents in Hayward, Calif., were shocked to learn their children were being taught to be "allies" of homosexuals, WorldNetDaily reported.

Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science reportedly did not inform parents of its pro-homosexual activities, which included "Coming Out Day," "Ally Week" and Gay and Lesbian History Month.

Pacific Justice Institute attorneys, who are advising the parents, said the school also is planning to host TransAction Gender-Bender Read-Aloud, an event where students will hear adapted tales such as Jane and the Beanstalk.

Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said this demonstrates why Californians need to vote "Yes" on Proposition 8, which would define marriage as between one man and one woman.

"Do we need further proof that gay activists will target children as early as possible?" he asked. "Opponents of traditional marriage keep telling us that Prop. 8. has nothing to do with education. In reality, they want to push the gay lifestyle on kindergarteners."

THE ONE wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:07 AM:It's obvious that if Kimberly had married a man all this would have been avoided. She could have been home making breakfast and serving her husband a nice cup of coffe.

To to yes on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:08 AM:I am NOT brain washed, I DO NOT HATE anyone. I believe that marriage is between a man and a women, and as far a curing stupidity, maybe you should take a good look in the mirror. If YOU think for one minute this issue will NOT affect our children and their education as well as our churches then it's YOU who has their head burried in the sand.

VOTE YES on 8

Hey Uncivil unions wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:08 AM:CALIFORNIA FAMILY CODE SECTION 297.5

297.5. (a) Registered domestic partners shall have the same rights,
protections, and benefits, and shall be subject to the same
responsibilities, obligations, and duties under law, whether they
derive from statutes, administrative regulations, court rules,
government policies, common law, or any other provisions or sources
of law, as are granted to and imposed upon spouses.


And it goes on. Read it for yourself sometime.

missed the point wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:10 AM:The point was she was complaining that a freedom was being taken away. By her removing a sign she took someone else's freedom away- Freedom of Speech.

clairemont kid wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:12 AM:I would encourage each and every one of you out there who is opposed to same-sex marriage to please watch [a} video on YouTube... This pastor spells out in clear terms just exactly how important it is to preserve the right for same-sex couples to marry. Marriage is a basic human right. Gay people deserve basic human rights because they are HUMAN...period!

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:20 AM:California School Holds 'Gay Day' for Kindergartners

Parents in Hayward, Calif., were shocked to learn their children were being taught to be "allies" of homosexuals, WorldNetDaily reported.

Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science reportedly did not inform parents of its pro-homosexual activities, which included "Coming Out Day," "Ally Week" and Gay and Lesbian History Month.

Pacific Justice Institute attorneys, who are advising the parents, said the school also is planning to host TransAction Gender-Bender Read-Aloud, an event where students will hear adapted tales such as Jane and the Beanstalk.

Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said this demonstrates why Californians need to vote "Yes" on Proposition 8, which would define marriage as between one man and one woman.

"Do we need further proof that gay activists will target children as early as possible?" he asked. "Opponents of traditional marriage keep telling us that Prop. 8. has nothing to do with education. In reality, they want to push the gay lifestyle on kindergarteners.

"This is not a scenario most Californians want replayed in their elementary schools."

Read the entire article from WorldNetDaily.


THIS IS WHY YES ON 8!!!

Troy wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:31 AM:How absurd that she was "arrested" for cleaning up someone else's trash! What about the person who placed the signs on public city property? Were they arrested for littering? And, if they had permission to place the signs on public property, did the city or state allow equal access? If not, there is an issue as to equal protection under the law. VOTE NO on PROP 8! Anyone who thinks we should amend the constitution to limit individual rights is Un-American!

Protect Marriage wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:32 AM:BAN DIVORCE

NO ON 8!!!!

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:33 AM:California School Holds 'Gay Day' for Kindergartners

Parents in Hayward, Calif., were shocked to learn their children were being taught to be "allies" of homosexuals, WorldNetDaily reported.

Faith Ringgold School of Art and Science reportedly did not inform parents of its pro-homosexual activities, which included "Coming Out Day," "Ally Week" and Gay and Lesbian History Month.

Pacific Justice Institute attorneys, who are advising the parents, said the school also is planning to host TransAction Gender-Bender Read-Aloud, an event where students will hear adapted tales such as Jane and the Beanstalk.

Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said this demonstrates why Californians need to vote "Yes" on Proposition 8, which would define marriage as between one man and one woman.

"Do we need further proof that gay activists will target children as early as possible?" he asked. "Opponents of traditional marriage keep telling us that Prop. 8. has nothing to do with education. In reality, they want to push the gay lifestyle on kindergarteners.

"This is not a scenario most Californians want replayed in their elementary schools."

Read the entire article from WorldNetDaily.


This is why YES on 8!!!

Marriage Procreation wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:39 AM:If the fundamental purpose of marriage is to bear children than we really do need to do more to protect that institution.

We need to have much more stringent requirements for the issuing of marriage licenses. Those requirements must go far beyond making sure its a man and a woman. They also need to include whether or not the applicants are qualified to bear, support and raise a child.

There are far too many stupid people breeding as it is and, since there is no cure for stupid, we need to nip it in the bud as soon as possible ... before it gets any worse than it already is.

I agree ... Marriage may really need protection after all.

Take More Signs wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:42 AM:And not just the Yes on 8 signs ... get the No on 8 signs, the vote for whoever for whatever signs, the I'm right and you're wrong signs, the we support or don't support signs.

I couldn't care less and have yet to see a sign that would influence me in one way or another. They're a nuisance and an eyesore. Get rid of them all!!!

In fact, anyone who would decide how to vote based on a sign shouldn't have the right to vote in the first place.

I dont see wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:43 AM:ANYONE bashing gays here. I do see a lot of people wanting to protect marriage. Get over it.

Astonished wrote on Oct 24, 2008 10:50 AM:I just can't believe how much hate there is in North County these days. It is definately not the community I grew up in!

vista resident wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:16 AM:Ok I really think that this is so stupid! Come on people do you really think someone is going to vote no on prop 8 because of a sign? I doubt it! people have already made up their min minds....grow up people

To Richard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:20 AM:If you could find a brain, you might be dangerous!

Oh and richie, there are yes on 8 signs all over Escondido!

Arlo wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:23 AM:I am voting Yes. FYI!

Warning wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:24 AM:I am pro prop 8 and was out handing out flyers in my area of residence. As my friends and I finished up, a woman drove up and asked us in a hostile tone if we even knew anyone that was gay. We answered yes (friends and family) and assured her that as mothers, we teach our children to love and respect all people. We then explained the we didn't want homosexuality taught in schools (an elementary school in Hayward, CA actually had GayDay - teaching kids as young as kindergarten about "coming out" and there was NO parental notification - this happened yesterday so Mr. Superintendent of CA schools, please don't tell me it won't happen!). We also explained that Gay Marriage should be voted on, not decided for us by 4 judges and that those same 4 judges stated in their decision that gays will not gain ANYTHING legally through gay marriage that they don't already have with civil unions. We told her that we believe that all of us are children of God and that marriage is something that He created between a man and a woman. That said, we assured her that God loves us all. The outcome of this experience is that she smiled, said that one of her kids is gay and that she hurts to think of him being mistreated. As moms, of course we can empathize. She was glad to know that we aren't against gays and we all got a bit teary. While I am happy to volunteer for this cause I believe in, it does hurt to have people call us hateful and intolerant. I was grateful that we were able to have a positive experience.

Families with Moms and Dads are what our society needs. And Moms and Dads need to make their families the priority (not hanging out with the friends, ignoring the kids for carreer, buying all kinds of junk instead of playing and loving your kids...)All kids gay or straight deserve to have both.

As for this lady who was arrested for stealing signs, emotions are high on both sides of the issue. We can choose to be civil; after all, nothing is resolved through anger. We must take the higher road. As disappointed as I was to have dozens of signs I put out stolen, I felt mad this morning when I noticed that the two "no on prop 8" signs in my neighborhood have also disappeared. If you are "Yes on Prop 8" as I am, I hope you will respect the rights of our opponents to express their opinions as we continue to express ours.

Voice of Reason wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:24 AM:It wasn't that long ago in this country that it was illegal for whites to marry non-whites.
Sadly some of this country's so-called religious people are still trying to dehumanize people.

No on 8

LOGIC wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:24 AM:It is hard to believe that just 41 years ago, most states legally prohibited whites from marrying people of other races, purportedly for Biblical and "morality" reasons. Miscegenation laws were so deeply embedded in U.S. history that they were America's oldest form of legal race discrimination, lasting for over 300 years.

For decades in Florida, the penalty for interracial marriage was a maximum of 10 years in prison. Western states prohibited marriage between whites and American Indians, Filipinos, Chinese and Japanese. The rule of harsh miscegenation laws was at its height from 1880 to 1950. Although proclaimed as a Biblical-moral issue, they were generally enacted to maintain socioeconomic structures and to impose racial prejudice.

mdsha wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:25 AM:the sign were in the ROW and abandoned property by all practicale means. 22 of them is an eyesore and the folks posting them should have a permit for that kind of thing.

LAUGH wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:40 AM:If my son comes home with one more flier for the "Good News Club" or "Boy Scouts" which we know is Mormon run and anti-gay....I AM GOING TO LOOK FOR AN AMMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION. I send him to PUBLIC school only for him to be accosted by those who give him a skewed view of Christianity, including being told he's going to hell for trick or treating...PUBLIC SCHOOL PEOPLE!!!!!SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IS NOT HAPPENING!!!

Jesus wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:49 AM:When the vote is over and the bill passes by 95% can you all shut up. Thank you.

No-Spin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:55 AM:Seems to me that if this person didn't know it was illegal to destroy property she is overlooking her statement of making laws that protect people instead of hurt people. I personally have found that most people of this lifestyle have little respect for the rule of law. They won't stop at "Marriage". They will never be happy until they create their "own" world, which is exactly where they are. And everyone else is in the way.

No-Spin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:59 AM:Carlsbad Resident
[-] wrote on Oct 23, 2008 9:00 PM:The other night we saw a woman and her little girl steal a No On 8 Sign on the corner of College Blvd. and Carlsbad Village Dr. Many more No On 8 signs have disappeared in the neighborhood. Why doesn't that make the headlines? Teach acceptance not discrimination! Vote NO ON 8!
One day the "Acceptance" idea will discriminate against you. What else will you accept? 15 people livivg in the 2 bedroom house next to you?

Total ignorance wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:13 PM:For the goofy logic used by Prop 8 supporters, look no further than the comment at 8:56 a.m. The First Amendment doesn't just keep religion out of public schools. It also keeps out atheism. Schools shouldn't support or attack any religion using taxpayer money. That's not a bigoted view at all.


The fact that 8:56 misspelled a word ("noone"), inappropriately used an apostrophe ("lib's") and tried to use the noun "Democrat" as an adjective -- all in the course of just two paragraphs -- makes me think that he or she skipped spelling and science in public school and instead studied creationism in home school. Want to be like that? Vote "Yes" on Prop 8.

Hah wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:40 PM:Throw the book at her! YES on 8!

Mom wrote on Oct 24, 2008 12:47 PM:I am going to my schoolboard to protest the "Good News Club" on campus that constantly tries to recruit my kids. I don't need people defining God for my kids at a public school. Talk about shoving your views.Not to mention the Boy Scouts who openly discriminate yet promote ON school campuses.

Trailblazer wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:01 PM:So, how much will the fine be? Eleven signs valued at how much? Will she have her day in court and bring her wife? Will the NC Times report it?
No film at 11 . . .

"Petty theft ---- theft of property valued at $400 or less ---- is punishable by a fine of up to $1,000 and up to six months in jail, according to state law."

Janet wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:14 PM:ALL of you should consider whether you would say the same things if the shoe were on the other foot. And I don't mean about this particular incident but in general. I get really tired of people using every mention of an issue to totally flame each other. Try to be civil. Pretend you are face to face with people and talk that way. Flaming each other only causes more division and discord.

comrade wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:17 PM:Comrades, use your right to free speech now while you can. When Comrade Obama gets power you will not be able to express yourselves. Especially if it is against party lines. "Yes" on 8 people, hang in there. the vile from the left will only get worse. As bad as their arrogance seems now, just wait. Its scary how giddy they all are. Be careful .

Vote No on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:18 PM:No one can question her wrong doing, but she is not alone. I have placed myself 45 NO on 8 signs in downtown Oceanside and the day after were gone or replaced with Yes on 8 Sign.
Therefore please do not generalize, we have people like that from both side of the campaign. What we don't have is the Campaign officers sending treats letter to those business that have gave a contribute to No on 8, and asking them for money if they don't want to be on the news. Very Christian I would say! What we don't have is a church that has covered up for years sexual abuses on children and now want to teach us morality and family values.

To No-Spin wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:29 PM:"I personally have found that most people of this lifestyle have little respect for the rule of law"

I think you've just made it to the 'top most ridiculous things I've heard all day' list.

To Total ignorance wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:30 PM:I's surry fur not spellin werds write, if all u cen du is currect others spellin than I's feal surry fer u.

I would have used Democratic party but what Osama is pushing is the end of Democracy, so I did not find it fitting to use the word in it's proper context.

Sorry I am not as perfect as you, just a dumb old Christian here who has enough sense to see the truth behind No on 8.

Please do not call the grammar police on me, I used only 2 paragraphs oh my!

To Janet wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:37 PM:You are lost, you have no clue, go back and put your head in the sand. This is grown-up time, go back and play with your little toys.

So sad wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:41 PM:It wasn't that long ago that it was considered wrong to have sex with your family members.
It wasn't that long ago that it was illegal to marry your Alpaca.
It wasn't that long ago that you couldn't have many children and sleep with them all....oh wait, this is my argument AFTER Prop 8 fails.

Hey Jon-O wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:44 PM:Perhaps you haven't noticed, but being married has little to do with procreation these days. One can be married and not have children, too. Or is that concept too far left for you?

Marriage is a form of legal contract. When you come down to it, it has nothing to do with love, or God, or morality. It is a legal construct that is used to accumulate property, grant certain legal rights, and convey estate rights. Therefore, it is patently illegal to separate one group of citizens (or does "we are all equal under the law" have no meaning for you?) from another and differentiate a set of rights based upon their membership in either group. Get your head out of the dark place and climb into 21st century America. I promise, it's pretty nice here.

Where am I wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:48 PM:I thought I was moving to California but I seem to have ended up in a bizzaro-world of FREAKS!
The rest of the U.S. should build a fence around this state to keep Californians OUT of the real country. This state cannot govern itself, they can't keep their borders secure, they can't decide if they love or hate gays, no talking on the phone, no chickens to lay eggs, no water-resource plan, endless construction, apparently God keeps trying to burn this place down or shake-it into the ocean; WHERE AM I???

Oside Mom wrote on Oct 24, 2008 1:50 PM:How much time do they spend in schools even talking about "traditional" marriages? Why are people so scared of this? There are so many signs around, my 8 year old son asked when we were getting a "Yes on 8" sign. I said we weren't, nor would we be getting any sign.

He then asked what "Yes on 8" was. I told him, but I told him not discuss it with anyone, since we have our own opinions on how to vote (no). I'm glad he heard what "gay" means from me and I did explain to him that if two people are in love, regardless of gender, who am I to say they can't marry?

I highly doubt he's scarred for life from our little chat. I can't believe people are so up in arms about this.

Dumb atheist wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:21 PM:There's nothing dumb about being Christian. Leviticus and at least one of Paul's epistles warn Jews and Christians not to engage in gay behavior, but they don't tell Jews and Christians to force Judeo-Christian law on non-Jews and non-Christians, as Prop 8 seeks to do. Prop 8 supporters seem to buy into the anti-gay hysteria they hear instead of what's written in the Bible, so it's no surprise that half of them can't spell or use an apostrophe correctly.

Karen wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:23 PM:I'm glad that the city is responding to this. This is America with Freedom of Speech. Hurrah to America and Yes on Prop 8.

Tactics wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:25 PM:Yes on 8 SUPPORTERS are probably out in force stealing a few signs here and there just to get the media attention & get those knee jerk voters who will vote yes to try and punish No voters.

Where will it all end? In the courts if Yes on 8 does pass, costing the tax payers millions.

Vote with a brain. Read the Informational Booklet put out by the Secretary of State - the back portion contains the actual wording of Prop 8. Make your own judgement & ignore all the hype.

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:26 PM:You and I must be in the same camp Trend
@ 9:33 AM, I only hit on one of your descriptions, "conservative". Does that mean you and I are almost similiar?

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:28 PM:WHY @ 9:34 AM and which group would it be okay with you to allow signs?

Alf wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:30 PM:There seems to be no shortage of vile deeds.
Read the following article and try to say that it does not sound like extortion by the "Yes" side.
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/10/24/news/state/z7cd088b7b1558c04882574ec00025a68.txt
Regards, Alf.

RE to Re to Prosecute Fully wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:32 PM:Granted, the material isn't age appropriate for Kindergartners but I have to say the parents probably wouldn't have been so shocked if they were actually involved in the education of their children.

My son knew about the whole 'gay' thing very early on because of his gay great-uncle. He used to babysit my son all the time and was one of his favorite relatives. Even with all that in-home exposure, my son has never turned gay or whatever it is you're so afraid of. He's not pro-gay nor anti-gay. In fact he, like me, is pretty much indifferent when it comes to an individuals sexuality. It's pretty much filed away under none of my business. It's not like it changes who someone is in their heart.

If you feel the public school curriculum is not conducive to they way you want your children educated then move them to a private school where you have more control. Somewhere they can be indoctrinated about something more suitable to your tastes. But any public function that is funded by taxpayer dollars must represent all taxpayers ... not just the ones you happen to agree with.

There are just far too many bigger issues in the world today for me to worry about my kid reading The King and The King. And life is too short to be that judgmental over someone else's life.

Feel free to raise your kids in a bubble so that they are completely unprepared for what the real world ultimately brings. I'm personally happy my son has been exposed to a variety of topics, books, people, movies, etc. I haven't agreed with them all, and we've had some pretty serious conversations about them when necessary, but I feel he is a better person overall for having had the experience.

TALK TO YOUR KIDS
BE INVOLVED IN THEIR EDUCATION
NO ON 8

Yes On 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:33 PM:So how did you get here? Yes, from a woman and a man. Not a man and a man or woman and a woman. Common sense. Yes on 8.

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:34 PM:Good point on singles "When do @ 9:54 AM.

The obviously answer is when y'all singles get together and form a PAC and establish yourselves as a discriminated against minority.

Mariana ... wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:44 PM:Actually, it's a crime to post election signs on public property. Ms. Erlenwein was actually doing a public service by removing the offending items.

I hope a local attorney steps up to bat for Ms. Erlenwein & shows the police the relevant election code.

So all you partisan nutbags...keep your propaganda (of all stripes) and candidate signs where they belong - on private property.

to where am i wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:44 PM:welcome to california now go home and take the freaks with ya,vote yes on 8

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:51 PM:Your very naive "Jen@ 9:58 AM". Had this women removed all political signs in the median regardless of content I might believe her excuse. If a person has voted in these here United States they must know that these political signs have been going on for years (I personally do not like them at all). If they were not permitted the local municipalities would have made sure that they were non existant years ago. Give me a break, I hate this litter as much as anybody but it is public property and it is allowed. What this women did was thievery. I know it, you know it and she knows it, end of story. As far as I'm concerned no matter what side she is on I call for maximum penalty to discourage this un-American activity in the future. I certainly hope that the NCT follows this story until the end. Wouldn't it be great if someone was caught stealing "No on Proposition 8" signs and that person spent a couple of nights in jail with Kimberly?

Nelson wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:53 PM:If she wants to take signs down she should be entitled to, after the election.

For breaking the law she should be sentenced to taking down every campaign sign within a square mile of the signs she stole.

I mailed in my yes on 8 ballot.

Karl wrote on Oct 24, 2008 2:56 PM:Troy, Troy, Troy, at 10:31 AM. Do you sincerely believe that if the circumstances where reversed that the outcome would be different? Come on dude, support your cause without resorting to fabrications.

Re Mariana wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:02 PM:To Mariana...It's a crime to steal...meaning taking something that does not belong to you. If Ms. Erlenwein felt the signs shouldn't have been put there, she should've done her public service by calling the police and having them remove the signs. She had no right to remove those signs.

Case Closed.

Re Mariana wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:03 PM:To Mariana...It's a crime to steal...meaning taking something that does not belong to you. If Ms. Erlenwein felt the signs shouldn't have been put there, she should've done her public service by calling the police and having them remove the signs. She had no right to remove those signs.

Case Closed.

ReMariana wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:03 PM:To Mariana...It's a crime to steal...meaning taking something that does not belong to you. If Ms. Erlenwein felt the signs shouldn't have been put there, she should've done her public service by calling the police and having them remove the signs. She had no right to remove those signs.

Case Closed.

Melissa C. wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:04 PM:To Mariana...It's a crime to steal...meaning taking something that does not belong to you. If Ms. Erlenwein felt the signs shouldn't have been put there, she should've done her public service by calling the police and having them remove the signs. She had no right to remove those signs.

Case Closed.

RG1 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:09 PM:I actually hope she doesn't get jail time. I don't want to pay for room and meals for this sorry thief, and do hope she gets about 100 hours of community time. I don't care who sleeps with who, but I do worry about why the teachers union is spending a million dollars to defeat the proposition. And I don't care if individual teachers are gay/lesbian either, but it seems to me their agenda includes more than individual rights to gay marriage. Do they want to indoctrinate kids into an "anything is okay" lifestyle? What would be next?

To confused... wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:29 PM:Let me clear this up for you. If you didn't place the signs, you have no right to take them down. See how easy that was!!!

estella wrote on Oct 24, 2008 3:35 PM:It's just wrong to deny a person in the UNITED STATES of AMERICA the freedom to marry. Do you really think that if your gay neighbors get married that it will actually effect your life in any way? As for the school argument- if your concern about the schools, then get involved and help shape your childs future instead of letting other people do it for you.

tradition wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:03 PM:how come everyone is scared that traditional marriage is gonna change and take away from the straights if the gays get married, to me a traditional marriage was throwing rice at the end of the ceremony you cant even do that anymore dont you get a ticket or something if you throw rice? i do a agree that stealing the signs are wrong i am gay but i have this weird thing of believing in being equal, but i would like to find out when classes start on how to be gay i need to take notes hopefully i have been doing everything right, speaking of that when the teachers start to teach this subject to children who is gonna write the lesson plan a straight person or a gay person but how will the straight person know if the gay person is not cheating or writing anything wrong we dont want to confuse the children or the teachers. now i have learned how to be straight on tv ads, like viagra, the pill, oh my favorite is the KY jelly ads, when the straight people only have 2 minutes to do it while the kids are gone and they each have there favorite jelly stuff, but then the herpes ads come on and one has it and the other does not have it.so the kids learn from tv ads to take viagra and have an erection for 6 hours, but you might get herpes, so take the pill but use KY jelly if you only have a few minutes. well anyway its too bad there is not more determination on the real terrible stuff that happens. so slam me now and tell me i am an ... because you can and it makes you feel better, see you in church on sunday lol

Love the Lesbians wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:07 PM:Ms. Erlinwein sure is a tollerent person. She states that "Laws should be written to protect people's rights, not to take them away." I hope Ms. Erlinwein and all of the No on 8 supporters truly feel this way about all of the provisions of the constitution, not just a few. If not, then why should we care about your rights if you don't care about other's rights.

Mr. Know-It-All wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:16 PM:Just wondering ...

If it's morally acceptable for same sex couples to marry, then why not multiple partners?

howard wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:23 PM:It is I think its called polygomy? i can't spell it.

To Mr. Know-It-All wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:27 PM:Now I know I'm in the minority but I honestly couldn't care less if multiple adults married providing the following: all parties are adults with the ability to consent and all parties agree to the dynamics of the chosen relationship.

I actually had a very good friend who had been living in a multi-partner relationship for about 12 years the last time I talked to her. Regrettably, we've been out of touch recently so certain things could have changed since then, but I know things were going well and strong at last contact so I'm pretty confident in saying they're probably all still together. I hope so anyway.

RG1 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:37 PM:To estella 3:35 PM: So WHY does the teachers union want so badly to defeat this measure? Huh?

To RG1 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:52 PM:Gee ... let me ponder that for a moment.

Maybe it's because they know that their student body is as diverse as the rest of the states populations and they know it's only right that promoting discrimination sets a bad example for our youth and, as a result, our future.

Local Lawyer wrote on Oct 24, 2008 4:52 PM:I support No on 8 since the results ultimately will be more clients to represent for me and my profession in divorce court.

equality is everything wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:14 PM:Prop 8 has nothing NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING to do with what's taught in schools. The only thing it addresses is marriage, that's IT.

Nobody has the right to tell anybody else who they can and cannot marry, nobody.

Lies Lies and More Lies wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:22 PM:The Superintendent of California stood up and said point blank that Gay marriage would and cannot be taught in schools because there is ALREADY legislation in place to prevent any school from teaching sex education without parental concent. So all of this BS about protecting our children is nothing more than typical right wing fear tactic.

the bottom line, i respect religion, and i respect your right to practice whatever religion you choose. but your faith should NOT dictate my right to marry.

Civil unions are NOT the same as marriage. they only offer state benefits, not federal benefits or property rights, or medical access.

how would you feel if the religious right stood up and said, ok...in addition to gays, lets dissolve the marriages of people who have been divorced and remarried, those who have cheated on their spouse, those who had premarrital sex and lets throw in anyone who stole, lied, cheated or murdered too.

do you see how ludicrous this is? you can't single out someone because you disagree with it.

its hypocritical and cruel.

wake up to your ignorance.....

god is LOVE.

Yes on 8 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 5:32 PM:heterosexual couples have marriage and homosexual couples have civil unions. YES on 8 to keep the world how it was intended to be.

mar⋅riage
   
–noun
1. the social institution under which a "man and woman" establish their decision to live as husband and wife by legal commitments, religious ceremonies, etc.

I dont see man and man or woman and woman

Friend wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:06 PM:Kim has been a friend for 14 years. She is an extremely passionate about her values and beliefs. She is strong and independent and stands up for what is right in her opinion. The fact that this particular proposition has so many people up in arms is an example of intolerance. She would never intentionally destruct private property. Instead of condemning her, I bevieve her individual views should be appreciated. Our tolerance with each others separte opinions is a much greater lesson for our children to learn than hate for those who are gay or lesbian. Everyone should have equal rights.

Where is God wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:26 PM:Next they`ll try to overturn Rowe v Wade but they wouldn`t dream of adopting any of the unwanted children. No on prop 8, Yes to equal rights for everyone.

Definition of Marriage wrote on Oct 24, 2008 6:32 PM:Now come on YES ON 8 at 5:32 ... You can't pick and choose only one definition of the word just because it suits your purpose.

Along with your selection, it can also mean the following:

any close or intimate association or union: the marriage of words and music in a hit song.

a blending or matching of different elements or components: The new lipstick is a beautiful marriage of fragrance and texture.

a formal agreement between two companies or enterprises to combine operations, resources, etc., for mutual benefit; merger.

a relationship in which two people have pledged themselves to each other in the manner of a husband and wife, without legal sanction: trial marriage; homosexual marriage.

Cards. a meld of the king and queen of a suit, as in pinochle. Compare royal marriage.

There were a couple of others as well, but I didn't want to make it too long.

To Friend wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:03 PM:Your comments should be deleted. This is about a theft not opinions.

To Friend Also wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:38 PM:Her individual views are appreciated ... What's not appreciated is her intentional theft of property that doesn't belong to her. It doesn't matter how passionate a person is on this topic or any other. You do not have the right to take what is not yours ... period. By doing what she did ... she said my view is the one that matters and the only one that should be shared. What she did was trample all over the right of someone else to be heard in the same way she wants to be heard. She was wrong and now she needs to accept the consequences of her actions ... whatever the court deems those consequences to be.

uranium wrote on Oct 24, 2008 7:58 PM:I don't think this woman should "have the book thrown at her". She took down some signs that are advertising a prop that will legislate discrimination against her ...she didn't hurt anyone. I'm sure there are thousands of more signs and eager volunteers to replace the missing ones. Try putting yourself in her shoes for just a moment.
And to all the people who are disheartened by all the "YES ON 8" voices in these comments...
Once most of these old people with their old ideas die off, cooler heads will prevail and gays will have the same rights as straights.
Trust me. Most young people have gay friends and we want them to have the same rights as straights. It's just a matter of time before the old ideas and the bible thumping goes away or becomes the minority and gay marriage becomes a non-issue. I hope one day that gay kids (Yes, they do exist) don't have to fear being beaten or killed in school because society is too afraid to speak frankly about hetero and homosexuality.

JP wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:01 PM:It's odd to me that the Prop 8 people are making this issue primarily about their election signs. If you are reactionary enough to vote one way just because signs were stolen then please vote for Rachelle Collier in Encinitas because a whole bunch of her signs were stolen this week. Thanks.

Native Oceansider wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:09 PM:The Yes on h8 folks are bigots. They can claim they are protecting kids but that is rationalizing their views. Don't expect me to respect your "religious" views. I never had a problem with freedom of religion but now I see that you people want your own rights while trampling others. Your kids will learn about gays, no matter what you do. There is nothing wrong with being gay, muslim, an immigrant or anything other group that you bigots scapegoat. The only thing wrong is your narrow-minded ignorance. The bible is a book that many people believe to be a work of fiction. That is my religious belief. Respect that and tolerate it. Dont hide your bigotry in your religion. NO on 8.

To lies lies and more lies wrote on Oct 24, 2008 8:24 PM:Very well said -- thank you for being so eloquent.

Domestic partnerships and civil unions are NOT recognized by the Federal government.

Civil unions are not seen as a replacement for marriage by many in the gay community. "Marriage in the United States is a civil union; but a civil union, as it has come to be called, is not marriage," said Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry.[5] "It is a proposed hypothetical legal mechanism, since it doesn’t exist in most places, to give some of the protections but also withhold something precious from gay people. There’s no good reason to do that."

EQUAL RIGHTS FOR ALL.
ADULTS SHOULD MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS ABOUT WHO THE CHOOSE TO LOVE.
NO ON 8.
8 = HATE (and fear! -- don't let the scare tactics fool you! think for yourself)

Roberto1 wrote on Oct 24, 2008 9:29 PM:I'm I'm a woman trapped in a man's body...heck I think I'm a lesbian! voted no on 8.

Mark of the beast wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:37 PM:I'm glad all the gay bashers have the Prop 8 bumper stickers on their cars so I don't expect them to treat me equally in traffic.

Straight up wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:06 AM:Prop 8 supporters are confusing support for same-sex marriage with lack of support for traditional marriage. They're not defending anything or anyone. If your friend or neighbor supports Prop 8, please explain how it's an attack on others. If he's a good friend and neighbor, he should at least understand.

Post on your own property wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:46 AM:I don't care if you are for or against any proposition. Post your cluttery signs on your own property and quit littering public property with your stupid signs - and quit calling my home phone about all of your issues! I guess the "No on 8" people will now have to put up twenty-two "Vote no on 8" signs, and then we can all look at forty-four pieces of clutter.

The Youth wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:34 AM:This is the year 2008. Find something else to be angry about other than someone's personal preference.

face wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:34 PM:Wont someone please think of the children! Man using that line is just getting stale people.

Fred II wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:26 PM:I will vote YES on 8..I just love KFMB.

Tlbryman wrote on Oct 25, 2008 3:53 PM:There are many "No on 8" signs being taken as well. Why is that not being reported? Also, my car was egged because I oppose this hate bill. Someone even left a note with a disparaging comment. I guess people who support hate will also support lies.

The Future wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:09 PM:First of all, let's get the message straight here. Schools will NOT teach Children about Same Sex Marriage, its not part of Prop 8 at all. All these ads are misleading people. Come on, go to a legit resource such as the Govt website and educate yourself. Okay now where done with that.

Second, The only people that will teach your kids about same sex marriage doesn't include YOU! Listen to me--- MTV, TV, CNN, Music, Hollywood, Facebook, MySpace, their friends, their cousins and their siblings, all those will TEACH your kids about Same Sex Marriage, its not Prop 8 or the teacher or the schools. Your kids favorite band probably are gay/lesbian/bi and you dont even know about it. You as a parent cannot stop this unless you move out of the United States and raise your kids in Siberia!

Why do people always bring us the BIBLE. People this is the 21st Century, not every American lives by the bible, we have different religions in America such as Taoism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam and etc. Do you think they read the bible, so don't based Prop 8 on the bible. Many of us including politicians and yes religious leaders steal, lie, cheat on our spouses and do we have a proposition number 99 to band that???. I got news for you, your child will know more about gay/lesbian marriage more than YOU by the time she/he becomes a freshman in high school! They will not learn it from school.

Each and everyone of us have an uncle, aunt, cousin, kid, mom, dad, sibling, friend, co-worker that are gay or lesbian, if this hasn't happen to you, it will in the near future. Enough is enough, you do not mix state and church. Its wrong to deny someone health insurance coverage or benefits regardless on how you fell about marriage.

Grump wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:16 PM:"Erlenwein, who married her wife in July" .....so does that make Erlenwein the husband? Or perhaps she is a wife too, or maybe she is transgendered and she could be the wusband.

Maria A.. wrote on Oct 25, 2008 4:36 PM:She didn’t know it was a crime to remove the signs? Humm… She must be clueless.

A few years back, we the people of California voted to keep traditional marriage. It’s a shame that our vote was overturned by a judge.

We have to vote on this issue so that a judge will not overturn the will of the people.

Oh speaking of cleaning wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:38 PM:out a lawyers office, we had to go to the in town Escondido dump, and guess what I found?????? Current campaign signs!

tlbryman wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:11 PM:This paper does not want to report the missing "no on 8" signs and the threats to those who oppose this issue. This is just as unfair as the initiative in support. Shame on NCT. No more advertising here, you can count on that!

NO ON EIGHT wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:17 AM:Anyone saying Kim is dumb for taking the sighs or that she was trying to suppress someone's freedom of speech is completely WRONG. She took half the signs- not all of them. You people need to imagine how it would feel if something that discriminated against you DIRECTLY was plastered all over your neighborhood. You supporters of 8 talk about how gay lifestyle is going to be "forced" on your children, yet you don't see how 22 signs saying your loving relationship with your partner is wrong, that you have no rights to it, isn't forcing your opinions on marriage and religion on everyone else? I have a gay sister and a little boy she absolutely adores. I have zero issues with my sisters life or lifestyles and hope that she can spend as much time showering love on her nephew forever. Love is love. You all are voting yes on hate. It sickens me and you should all be ashamed.

Christian frauds wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:37 PM:Let he or she who has adopted one of Gods unwanted children cast the first yes on 8 vote. Thats what I thought.

nice job NC times wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:52 PM:way to filter the no on 8 comments which call out your papers blatant support of the proposition and raise the question of why you are only reporting on missing 'yes on 8' signs.

but why am i typing this...it probably won't make it up either....