no surprises here wrote on Oct 24, 2008 11:42 PM:OG getting whooped on by one of the better teams in the county...Now they get to experience the best in the state..My god I pray for the safety of these kids.. 2 players taken out of tonights game they both look to be concussions..O-side a much more physical and quick team..it could be a blood bath

Is not fun anymore wrote on Oct 25, 2008 7:35 AM:I am heartbroken to see our guys destroyed every week.
Our guys are being carted off the field left and right.
Let's get the point we don't have football at OGHS.
I really don't wanna see a life threatening injury vs Oceanside.
Can someone please do something?
it's really not fun!!! I am really worried.

DAD wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:03 AM:I would recommend calling it a season and forfiet the last 2 games. It is not worth it. Esspecially with only 23 players. I hope for the best. 8dr83

MONEY..MONEY..MONEY wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:48 AM:It is all about the MONEY! EUHSD should be ashamed of what they are doing to OG's Program. Until someone holds EUHSD responsible for an injury resulting from a foolish schedule decision the greed will continue. The Administration at EUHSD wants these "MONEY GAMES" between teams with in our City and other City's that they figure parents will travel to our fields. The EUHSD does not consider the liability of injuries because they feel they are immune. NEWS FLASH...YOU ARE NOT! If a decision is made using criteria that is outside the scope of High School competition your bubble is broken. MONEY is not part of that criteria....YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE for everything that occurs. (injuries on the field / incidents off the field.....)
Hopefully OGHS and the Parents will work with the District over the off season, and a resolution will be reached. I think it would be a good thing for San Diego Football, not just OG. There are several teams in the area that are forced into situations they don't need to be in.

GOOD LUCK ALL!
Valley Center has a hell of team!!! They look very good, and should do well the rest of the season!

OG got pounded again this week, but these kids are amazing...they never quit, I have a new found respect for every one of these kids. I hope that all of you that read and post here feel the same way!

to vc coach wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:50 AM:Cmon Coach, 4th and 7 49 -0 and you go for it. serves u right your d1 receiver dropped the ball. Maybe he has a little respect. How often does he drop 2 balls right to him. I dont understand why you would leave all your 1st string players in the game so long. The OG kids should be applauded for ther effort. Afer injuries and kids quitting on the team, you new they were depleted. GO Ramona ,GO Oside beat vc

to the district wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:12 AM:Can you see what you are doing to OG. The transfers are killing us. When is this going to stop. There are plenty of powerhouses that should be at OG and we would be able to compete. Those kids hardly see the field at SP and OG. OG has improved in academics, violence is less and these people still get to transfer why why why. The parents are ready to fight. Something needs to be done.

I think you are great wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:48 AM:To all the boys that keep getting beat up on and off the field I think you are great. Even when you ASB director lets the players that quit the team go to the pep rally and boo your team(isn't a pep rally supposed to support a team) you still keep your heads up and not let it bring you down, when your player gets taken to the hospital you still go out and try and win the game. You still go out and play as hard as you can at a level that is hard to compete against. You don't quit and you gear up for the next battle I don't know how you can pull yourself up and dust off time and time again as a parent I am so proud of what you do and I know the coaches feel the same way. Keep doing the best you can we commend you hard work unlike some people.

What wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:54 AM:VC already up 42 to zip and throwing a 23 yard TD pass? No wonder overrated VC is the easiest football program in the North County to dislike.

Can't wait to see you routed by players with class (O-side).

To Money moneymoney wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:40 AM:The transfter thing within the district is one thing, but VC, Ramona, Oside are all in the same league...they have no choice but to play them. Unlike VC, Oside will not have its starters in their in the 4th...heck they may be pulled at halftime? Coach Carroll and staff are respectful to the fact that OG is not in a good place. OG...finish with pride

EUHSD Travesty wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:51 AM:EUHSD should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. This is getting completely out of hand and they are doing NOTHING about it. Deep seeded racism is the reason for all these transfer requests plain and simple. The open transfer policy should have ended as soon as OG became a distinguished school back in 2004, but nothing happened and I doubt anything will. The superintendent and school board need to act now, but allegiances with SP and EHS (the superintendent and assistant sup. were principals there) are unbalanced and this nonsense will continue. Shame on you Ed Nelson. Shame on you Steve Boyle. Hang in OG. Keep striving.

to vc coach wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:54 AM:robbie get out of here but leave your football. Remember football at Lincoln school back in the day. show some respect to people that have given you all they had when they played for you. youll be a better person in the long run. Why when a player is down hurt does every team always take a knee out of respect and your team doesnt? no respect coach

Patriot1kenobi wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:12 PM:Come on!!! Someone do something about OGHS athletics.
The school has close to 2400 kids and who is playing sports? Come on 24 kids on a football team? There is something really wrong here. Look what they did to wrestling, look what they did to soccer, look what they are doing to Volleyball.
Can someone open an investigation on who things are being ran there.
The football team got booed at the rally!!
The school is totally separated and only a few run everything.
In the name of the force!! Please HELP!!!

ok its not funny anymore.. wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:33 PM:at first we all think oh its just OG taking their weekly beatdown..But last night having to see one of my friends have to get put on a stretcher and in an ambulance made me realize maybe its not worth it anymore..O-side is a much more aggressive physical and quicker team than VC...Someone is going to get seriously hurt..I for one do not want to see another Scott Eveland type of situation..I understand injuries are a part of the game and what not but now its to the point where the kids health for the longterm is in serious jeopardy..Of course no one will probably listen to my warning And Kris Plash will have about 16 players left for the San Marcos Game.....Felix Gonzalez buddy I hope your getting better We are praying for you

Erick .V. wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:41 PM:A team with class such as O-side will not be throwing on 4th and 9 up by 50 points in the 3rd quarter..no one is impressed by a VC team that can beat down a 1-7 football team.go ahead and take your D4 title that nobody cares about...James Johnson nice job dropping two bubble screens in a row

Give it up wrote on Oct 25, 2008 12:53 PM:Wake up people, transfers are OVER- give it up. OG need MORE TALENT and GREAT COACHING! Two things they don't have much of right now.

And let's set the record straight- there were more boys KICKED OFF the team recently than boys who quit. And for what? Missing practice on a minimum school day. Very tragic.

To I think you are great wrote on Oct 25, 2008 1:02 PM:Think about your statement- Have you actually, truly heard a positive statement from Plash at any time this season?

The answer to that question has been right here in black and white. Notice how far down this team has fallen since he started verbally displaying his belief and opinion of this team?

Total Disaster wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:03 PM:I feel really bad for coach plash as I think he is a great guy. Just recently we had a Mexican principal that bailed away from OGHS as fast as he could. Teachers rebelled against him. He was trying to get the Mexican kids involved. We are back to square 1. A high percentage of OGHS is Mexican and the reality is that they don't blend well with our system. Teachers and coaches cannot relate with their students and their background. The faculty at OGHS is 95 white yet the students are 70 Latino. I hope you see the problem.
Escondido is a seriously racially divided town and it shows at their schools.
Total Disaster

Pirate fan to OG wrote on Oct 25, 2008 2:07 PM:As a Pirate fan,your not going to see the starters in the game too long.The Pirates are big, fast, and hit violently. Trust me, the Pirate fans dont want to see any kids hurt or embarrassed on the field. It was not the Pirates decesion to go to the Valley League.

Patriot Believer wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:02 PM:Like any football parent, you're scared to death that your kid will get hurt on the field. It's a violent sport. But to suggest that the Patriots will forfeit or blow off the last 2 games, that's crazy. These boys have too much pride and have worked too hard to lay down like that. It must be painful for these coaches to come up with something positive and inspirational but somehow Plash & his staff find a way because the kids that are out there are trying their very best until the last second. I hope that the high school board are proud of themselves because they have created this mess and have done nothing to help OG. A handful of parents can't stop the bleeding but we're trying. Shame on those kids that quit, they're old enough to make their own choices. How about staying home on Friday nights instead of showing up at the games? No excuses, you let your team down. And any adult that thinks that's okay, then shame on you too. And any school that boos their football team, well enough said. And any coach that will run up the score like that on a team that is obviously struggling, ugghh you make me sick. The guys will play for each other and their coaches, maybe even for mom & dad in the stands that support them no matter what. It's just a game, I keep telling myself.

Rememer folks wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:16 PM:VC is not a big school with an endless amount of backups. There were lots of subs in throughout the game. NO I don't always agree with Rob's approach, but VC is a small school, half the size of ESCO, SP, MH. Their football team does not have a lot of kids.

og football has a big problem wrote on Oct 25, 2008 5:32 PM:the transfers are a big problem with orange glen. transfers are not stopped anymore they are only limited. wich does not help anything. im not sure if many people know this but players like ricky seale were supposed to go to orange glen. and seeing them struggle the way they are is sad. honestly if transfers had been stopped about 10 years ago. orange glen would most likely be a relatively decent competetive team.

and the coach at orange glen does not know how to use the talent on his team that he has. yea he doesnt have much left after he kicked a few players off. but before he only used derrick rhone as a back up when he should have been starting on offense as tailback(honestly, he is better than andrew early). not starting robert bloodgood on defense when he was defensive mvp the previous year. and also not starting chris locher on defense when he looks to be a very good player that could make tackles. the coach has a problem seeing talent when its on the field hes coaching on. he has a impressive offensive line before players were kicked off but kicking them off was his problem. he doesnt know how to utilize his players strengths. coach plash needs to be replaced.

VC Haters wrote on Oct 25, 2008 6:54 PM:As a VC supporter and parent, I can see why it is easy to hate on us. The starters were pulled midway through the second quarter but returned for the opening series in the third quarter. Why? I do not have a clue why because the game was never close. Throwing the ball up a whole bunch does not make much sense to me either. I hope our receiver dropped those on purpose. It actually turns my stomach to see that type of or lack of sportsmanship from the VC play caller. Dont bag on the kids, bag on the Offensive Coord. who calls those stupid plays. Not many welcomed him back from CSU and there have been many problems that have resulted from his return. VC kids run the plays that are called because they are threatened with their starting spots. Understand that we all have problems in our HS sports programs. OGHS has a big one that needs to be addressed. VCHS also has one that needs to be looked at. It is not the kids though and I will continue to suppport them throughout this. I pray that the injured OG player is ok.

to give it up and to to I think your great wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:04 PM:Have you ever went out on the field and listened to what he says to the players after the game I think not he has told them they are winners for not giving up and sticking with the team. And you people who think you know the story on the boys who planned a mutney they tried to get as many kids to follow what they were doing and it was planned the night before the practice so don't give me the story about missing one practice. When the coaches found out what was going on they had the players call them and tell them they needed to get back to practice and they would only miss one game but they never showed up and laughed at the boys who called them and that was the last time they tried to come to practice. I was a witness to what these losers tried to do to the team.

True Heart wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:05 PM:I havent seen any other team that never gives up like OG they never give up week after week they get crushed by other teams that are way better than them but they just keep on going. those kids have heart they get booed by ther own school but they dont let that put them down. week after week to they get a lot of bad comments stop hating on those kids they give all what they have. good luck OG against oside dont let nobody put you guys down

to og football has a problem wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:21 PM:Can you give Coach Plash a break the best coaches in the world couldn't turn this program around in a year and half with the limited number players he is trying. He is trying to build a program but when you have to deal with all the outside drama from a bunch of complaining parents.

there is more to the story wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:25 PM:Come on people there is more to the story about the boys who quit the team they had a chance to come back. Try asking someone the real story you would be in shock what really happened.

to og football has a big problem wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:48 PM:Bloodgood, Rhone injured or they would have been it the game. Locher is in most of the time as well. Those other boys are quitters.

to ASB wrote on Oct 25, 2008 8:57 PM:You claim you want to bring back school spirit and you let your group(x football players) boo the team. I think you squash the team spirit and your pep rallys show it. My son came home from your pep rally very disappointed they don't even want to go back because of what you let happen. I think it is time for a new ASB coordinator not a new coach

OHSPIRATES wrote on Oct 25, 2008 9:20 PM:you know what? i cant wait till oceanside thrahes vc! og you have no idea how much respect for you guys and the teams we play... its the truth sadly but true about everyone knowing that og is a definite win but we were rootin for you guys all the way! youre right somehing needs to be done over there! anyone can easily have a program like oceanside it just takes coaches who HAVE THE DESIRE TO TEACH AND HAVE THE PATIENCE TO DO SO! and PLAYERS WHO ARE OPEN MINDED AND EAGER TO LEARN AND EXCEPT CRITICISM! look at san marcos... its gonna be slow but in the future theyre gonna be power house..
i remember oceanside wasnt always the power house... when coach meyer was at oceanside, el camino was built and he took all the best players from oceanside and went there and guess what?? they were undeafeated there first year

years ago oceanside was like orange glen.. i remember when oceanside was the easy school to beat but what happened? the coaching and of course the players are different but the love is there from the coaches and the players can feel it! oceanside is more than a footbal team theyre family.. we all beat with one heart! we pray for you OG our hearts go to the player who was injured but dont worry! WE WILL GIVE VC A TASTE OF THEIR OWN MEDICINE!!! OSIDE PIRATES FO LYPHE!

Excuses wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:23 PM:have you seen the size of the valley center team... it looks like they barely have enough to put together a scout team! many kids were rotated in and out of the game... its not like they have many options, almost every player goes both ways.. and to OG stop Crying about transfers and start finding ways to win.

ps. jareled black jv running back get out of their while you still can!

pirate pride wrote on Oct 25, 2008 10:49 PM:are you serious??? your football team was booed?? what a dsigrace to the school and its students! these athletes dont need to be playing yet they choose to do what they love!! and IF you dont have support from you school you have nothing!

you guys are the PATRIOTS! SHOW SUM LOV FOR YOUR PLAYERS!! HOW DARE YOU BOO YOUR PLAYERS!

ASB SHOULD BE ASHAMED AND THAT SCHOOL SHOULD NOT HAVE THE PRIVLEGE TO DO ANYTHING IF THEYRE GONNA SHOW DISRESPECT TO THE FOOTBALL TEAM! DONT WORRY OG!!! PIRATES LOVE YOU!


i pray for OG! but props to you guys(football players) PARENTS KEEP DOING A GREAT JOB WITH THESE KIDS!!

i never heard of school booing their own football team! poor guys!

PROVE EM WRONG!

I LUV OSIDE!

enough blame to share wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:22 PM:I've never seen or heard so many hateful and blameful things coming from supposedly concerned, supportive adults. If we still believe that we, as adults, should lead by example and that our boys deserve role models to emulate shouldn't there be some constraint in what is said and done on the field, in the stands and in this forum? There is no one "true" story about the tragedy that has become Orange Glen football's legacy; everyone will believe what they want about the events of the past couple of weeks. This has all been a long time in the making, and from the looks of it, isn't going away anytime soon. The climate of any place--a team, a school, a workplace, a country, a home-- starts at the top and works its way down. Enough with the hate.

To Excuses wrote on Oct 25, 2008 11:49 PM:Sorry, Charlie
We (VC) fielded a team of 42 this past Friday. A scout team we are not.

osiderocks wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:15 AM:oside is not like vc! youll be suprised at wht coach will do! they wont run up the score coach carroll will proly put in his 2nd string in the second quarter so the other kids can play

pirates fan wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:51 AM:VC your true worth and character will come out with your games against the Pirates!

to excuses wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:57 AM:why should jereled leave. thats whats exactly causing our problems when decent players quit to go to play other teams. if he stays... which he is. he will only help the team. give jereled a decent o-line like og had in the begining of the season before players were kicked off and he will bust a few good runs. maybe even throw him in at safety sometimes like hes already doing.

your mentality is whats hurting our team i suggest you try to fix the problem rather than simply ranting about it like everyone else does.

the person to fix the problem will get more glory than the person to point the problem out. because anyone can do that.

pirate fan wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:13 AM:I can remember OHS Pirates having a few rough years before John Carrol came to town.

lots of new wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:09 AM:OGHS needs lots of new things.
We will have yet another new principal next year. ASB really stinks!! Athletics do I need to say it. it's a joke!
I do like coach plash. He is a good person.
How about you stop the hate and Do something about it.
Go to the board! Express your concerns.
Go soccer!!! I hope the patriots kick butt again. 3 time league champs!!

Debbie wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:41 AM:I am a big fan and supporter of Coach Plash and his coaches. He has done more for the program than you will ever know. He has went way above what a head coach is supposed to do. They spend many hours trying to build a better program and they have to keep getting this negative support from you people. You should be ashamed of yourselves for not supporting their efforts. I have had the chance to work with these coaches on many projects,fundraisers to raise money so the kids have the much needed safety equipment that hasn't been upgraded in years and he has done a good job in a very short time because he wants everything top notch for our kids. They try to stay postive about everything but it is really hard when you continue to put them down week after week. Remember Rome wasn't built in a day maybe you should join in and help make things better for the future. These coaches care about our kids as much as they do their own. Let's try to stand behind these guys becase they do care!!!! I have seen the coaches give the players positive encouragement all the time, but if they get yelled at I am sure they deserved it. I am sure you have yelled at you kid at home a time or two that is life.

to enough to blame wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:18 AM:There is a true story when you witnessed it first hand and know the details that led up to the boys doing what they did to the team. It was wrong what they did but they are kids and they will learn by their mistakes.

Enough wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:44 AM:NC Times you won't post my comments because they are truthful I'm cancelling my subscription and encouraging others to do the same. FREE SPEECH who are you to censor

VC Mom wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:06 AM:TO ALL OF YOU SLAMMING VC AND ITS COACHING STAFF. WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE OUR GUYS DO ROLL OVER AND PLAY DEAD. OUR FIRST STRING WAS TAKEN OUT WAY BEFORE HALF TIME. OUR PLAYERS AND OUR COACHES HAVE ALOT OF CLASS.WAS IT NOT OG THAT SAID THAT VC WOULD NOT AMOUNT TO ANYTHING AND THAT YOU WOULD CREAM US ALL OF THE TIME AND CALLED US A BUNCH OF HICKS. DO WE NOT TEACH OUR KIDS TO NOT SAY ANYTHING IF THE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING NICE TO SAY. BUT YET I AM SURE THAT ALL OF THESE SLAMS AGAINST TEENAGE BOYS IS COMING FROM ADULTS NOT KIDS. I FEEL BAD FOR YOUR PLAYERS AND THEIR PARENTS IT IS HARD TO LOSE AND VERY DISCOURAGING. TO THE ONE WHO MADE THE COMMENT ABOUT OUR TEAM NOT TAKING A KNEE WHEN OG'S PLAYER WAS INJURED APARENTLY YOU WERE NOT THERE. OUR TEAM WAS ON THEIR KNEES AND OUR TRAINER WAS THE FIRST ONE TO THE BOY'S SIDE. I AS A PARENT OF A FRESHMAN PLAYER HAD TO MAKE A CALL TO OG ON FRIDAY TO LET THE PRINCIPAL KNOW THAT OG'S COACH AND TRAINER JUST LOLLY GAG ACROSS THE FIELD WHEN YOU HAD AN INJURED PLAYER. YES AS PARENTS WE WANT OUR KIDS TO GO OUT AND WIN BUT THAT CAN'T ALWAYS HAPPEN. AND TO THE OCEANSIDE PEOPLE WHO KEEP SLAMMING VC QUITE TRYING TO MAKE YOURSELF LOOK GOOD.TELLING A TEAM THAT YOU WILL TAKE YOUR STARTERS OUT IN THE SECOND QUARTER IS JUST LIKE TELLING THEM WE ARE GOING TO CREAM THEM, AND YOU CALL VC BAD. IT IS ALWAYS EASY TO HATE A TEAM THAT IS WINNING.

Football Player wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:19 AM:As a football player, I see that our coaches are working as hard as possible to rebuild the football program. Comments about Coach Plash not being effective are wrong. Coach Plash is rebuiliding our football program.

We cannot give up, We'd rather be to the point where we're playing with only 10 people than forfeit.

Check out Osides comments wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:37 AM:Hey OG Oceanside keeps slamming VC but check out what they are saying about their game against you next week. Go to the article about their game and read the comments. I hope that you have the best game of your lives next week and come out with a win. This team brags about people having to leave the field on strechers at their games. They are saying that when they play you next week it will be 52-0 at half time without their starters. I hope you whoop them all over the field. GO OG BEAT OCEANSIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Blogger wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:24 PM:Yeah, what's up with the censoring?? I wrote a Pulitzer Prize-winning blog and it didn't make the cut! My rants and raves aren't as important as the others? What's the criteria to get in? You have to slam the coaches, cut down the players, ridicule the team before you get printed? CENSORSHIP! I guess I will just have to yell at my husband instead.

OG Parent wrote on Oct 26, 2008 12:34 PM:To VC MOM-
How dare you get criticize our Freshman coach and trainer.

You speak of commenting on games where people are not present. Obviously you were not at the freshman game. Your trainer was not there, therefore she could not have been the first person to the injured boy's side on Thursday. Duh. How dare you call the Principal of OG about a situation you know nothing about. Get a life. Yes your freshman coach stepped out there to help, that was very supportive, but when an injury happens on the opposite sidelines, you expect someone to step up and help out.
As a parent of a freshman football player, I have worked with our trainer as she helped my son who broke his arm. She went above and beyond to make sure he was taken care of.
Our freshman coaching staff is also amazing, they coach our young men and are very supportive both on and off the field.
VC mom- you should be ashamed.

To OG Parent wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:31 PM:What are you Talking About! VC mom is talking about the Varsity game, so why dont you look in to what you say and not sound like an ...

OG Parent wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:46 PM:GET IT RIGHT!! WHEN I SAID OUR TRAINER WAS THE FIRST ONE TO THE INJURED BOY IT WAS THE ONE INJURED IN THE VARSITY GAME. AS TO THE BOY INJURED IN THE FRESHMAN GAME I WAS THERE. IT TOOK YOUR TRAINER AND COACH QUIT AWILE TO GET TO YOUR INJURED BOY WHO WAS TAKEN AWAY IN AN AMBULANCE. MY ONLY CONCERN WAS MAKING SURE THAT YOUR BOYS ARE TAKEN CARE OF. FORGIVE ME FOR THE CONCERN IT WILL NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. I AM AT EVERY GAME AND SUPPORT MY TEAM WIN OR LOSE. WERE YOU PAYING ATTETION AT THIS GAME BECAUSE ALL OF OUR PARENTS WERE YELLING AT YOUR COACH AND TRAINER TO HURRY TO THIS BOY. IF CONCERN FOR OUR CHILDRENS WELL BEING IS SOMETHING TO BE ASHAMED ABOUT THEN YES I AM ASHAMED.

Break it Up wrote on Oct 26, 2008 1:48 PM:Whoa ladies, CAT FIGHT!! Take it easy, sounds like a miscommunication to me! Hell hath no fury like a pissed off mom!

OG Parent wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:21 PM:It is no not your trainers or your coaches abilities that were the concern. I am glad that they are knowledgeable and that she can take care of your kids. It was the speed at which they were moving to do so that we had a problem with. I hope that your son's arm is okay.

thats enough wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:35 PM:please anyone with half a brain knows that O-side will pound OG..the game will be over by the half..... but unlike VC O-side will have some class and take their foot off of OGs throat...will kids get hurt quite possibly O-side is very physical and fast but O-side does not go out with that kind of mentality where they want to put kids in hospitals..OG you guys play with a lot of heart but unfortunately that alone does not win football games... San Marcos is much improved also under a disciple of coach Carroll..Coach Pulu Poumele is turning things around there and I unfortunately think that the OG San Marcos Game will be another blowout in favor of SM

Censored comments wrote on Oct 26, 2008 2:54 PM:....are NCT's specialty. Reading these posts it seems to get printed you must have some baseless personal attack and some bitter, irrelevant-to-the-story gist to your comment. Any comment of mine that has not been allowed for an NCT story had nothing inappropriate or against their posting policy... Frustrated posters, you're not alone!

VC wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:09 PM:I want to know why Valley Center is getting so much greif over the score of this game when it was no different then any other OG game (sorry Patriots). I really hope that OG goes out and kicks butt against O'side with all of their talk about it being 52-0 at half time. I will definatley be at that game as an alumni to support OG. I now have kids at VC but I don't think that O'side is being very sportsman like. Who cares if you have only won game they are out there doing it. Takes guts!!! But you don't start telling a team that you are going to have your starters out by 2nd quarter and that there will be so many points on the board. It is the team that you think you don't have to worry about that YOU SHOULD WORRY ABOUT!!! I'm rooting for OG!! GO BIG BLUE!!!

EHS Alum wrote on Oct 26, 2008 3:42 PM:Go Cougars!

wow VC MOM wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:05 PM:i am not a valley center nor orange glen parent. just a football mom from north county and i have to tell you that your behavior is so unacceptable. no wonder your boys behaved as they did if this is the way parents at valley center think. are you one of those moms whose identity is all wrapped up in their child's accomplishments? ... GO ORANGE GLEN!

to vc mom wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:05 PM:at the vasity game not one kid took a knee when
felix was down. I was at the game. maybe you just didnt notice this but i sure did? I was making comments in the stands about it. Did you really see them on their knees? The trainer may have been 1st it was on your sidelines where he was down. But I know what i saw. hope your kids stay safe and have a great season. good luck

to vc mom wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:08 PM:oh yeah, speaking in all caps with no punctuation is just not cool. simmer down and take a deep breath.

oh ok wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:18 PM:the san marcos coach has one 1 more game than OG has. how does he get so much credit and Plash get nothing but negative comments. Plash coached for Paul Gomes who is successful. Pulu for Carrol who is great. But one win more and hes the next powerhouse team. good luck to all the coaches that are giving their best to turn schools around. WhenPlash tookover 90% of the team were going to be enelgible for grades. Now not one is ineligible and the team carries over a3.0GPA. less than a year and a half later. great strides here wouldnt you agree.

This aint soccer wrote on Oct 26, 2008 5:43 PM:All you whiners out there complaining about players not "taking a knee" are watching the wrong sport. That is a stupid habit brought over from soccer. When I played football a few years ago the whole knee thing was nonexistant. We stayed on our feet and loose while the game was delayed. Kind of like VC did. Apparently they know what they're doing up there..

dont let the facts get in the way wrote on Oct 26, 2008 6:22 PM:90% were ineligible at the start? please get your facts right..Please Plash was a position coach at Esco not even a coordinator...He coached QBs....Please when you have darrell Catchings to throw to it will make any QB look good...Coach Pulu has a much greater track record..Coaching the O-side defense to 4 straight CIF titles and a state championship win...Coach Pulu has just as much or less talent than OG does and Pulu has quickly changed the attitude there...

Dora The Explorer wrote on Oct 26, 2008 7:05 PM:Oh please OG you guys arent winning another game this year.....Better luck next year...haha itll be the same story next year

Go OG wrote on Oct 26, 2008 8:52 PM:When I saw the score of the OG/VC game I cringed. Those kids bust their butts every day only to take a beating.I root for those kids every week.I was not surprised to see that the team dishing out the 55 to 7 defeat was Valley Center. Did they really have to run the score up that way? Yes, thats how they play, thats what they are being taught. Just read the 7:05 p.m post from "Dora the explorer" Perfect example of the mentality there. Hang in here OG kids, you are by far the winners. ...

Shame on EUHSD wrote on Oct 26, 2008 9:59 PM:Please support Orange Glen High School.
Discontinue the practice of allowing students to leave OGHS without a valid academic reason.

You are authorizing a brain drain that has severe consequences.

Stop settling for temporary principals like the current one. He's not doing anything good for the school.

Whats up wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:11 PM:So why is it that week after week, the article about the OG football game has more comments than any other news story?

Election? What election?

Economic meltdown? Unimportant.

Wars? Never heard of 'em

To VC mom wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:29 PM:No its not always easy to "hate a team that is winning". It is easy though when those winners act like a bunch of losers. No class.

Blog Addict wrote on Oct 26, 2008 10:58 PM:The reason why OG has the most comments is because their supporters are passionate about their kids, their activities, the school (in spite of all it's problems). The claws come out when their teams are ridiculed and the programs trashed. They know the real story, not the wannabe coaches and loser kids that won't support them during the tough times. It is so nice to hear the positive comments from the other schools. Good luck OG, not only in football but with all of your other sports! We have plenty of that PATRIOT PRIDE!

to Go OG wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:43 PM:Have you not seen the scores of the rest of the OG games. We just need more points on our side. Lets back off Valley Center they are not the only ones to beat us by that many points. But they are the ones that we are mad at Why? Valley Center did take a knee just as long as our team did. It was when the brought the ambulance in that they got up.

Dont run up the score wrote on Oct 26, 2008 11:50 PM:Yes that is the ticket I really want to play a game where I know that if we won it was because the other team let us. That is more humiliating. I know that if I have a chance to score that I can just put on the breaks all I am thinking is getting into the endzone. I wish I could do it more but maybe next year. Quit adding insult to injury. We don't need a team playing easy on us. We play with heart and that is what we expect from the teams we play.

TO VALLEY CENTER FANS wrote on Oct 27, 2008 1:36 AM:it was only comment by one person who said it was gonna be 52-0 at the half time one!! so now its the city of oceanside thats gonna be blamed for that one comment?

whatever you guys will know a real football game after a game with oceanside... you lost to wv and they got killed by oside... you think you vc players have a chance against oceanside?

Plash wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:58 AM:I can't believe what the world is coming to.

To OG wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:46 AM:This is not a charity, this is football, it is up to each team to prepare. It is your resposibilty to not get beat, not have the other team take it easy. This is competition, those players,coaches,and parents that cant hang with it should not have any involvment with sports. Sports is for those with heart and athletic ability,this is not band or a community play.

People people people wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:07 AM:You all need to go to fridays New York Times and read the article titled "Losing games, and players, Hasn't stopped Avela" This will give you all some insight into what is going on at Orange Glen. It is what it is right now.

ayron wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:37 AM:for that comment about oside showing class for one game you havent been going to the oside games for 10 years so dont say they only showed class for that one game!my bro plays now for oside and they show class everywhere! it the some dumb fans who proly dont even go to the games who say dumb stuff against other teams!

its way to come on here and comment bc know one knows who you are and your name so of course its easy to talk crap! but dont blame all of oceanside and its playrs for these couple of comments from oceanside...

valley center and orange glen are great teams, we all have respect for every team we play every school has dumb fans who ruin the name of that school.. oceanside has em too.. we pirate fans are also rooting for OG and the teams we play even you VC.. we just love seeing our boys play and do what they do best! GOOD LUCK OG VC!

cougar mom wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:05 AM:i just wanted give credit to all those patriots not giving up. yeah its a bad season, but hey your still in there playing the game. keep your heads up. a few games left "don't give up" . give it all you got.

Booster Prez wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:44 PM:The OG football players are a fine group of young men, as are their coaches. All of OG's sports teams, especially the football teams, will continue to be enthusiastically supported by parents and the OG Booster Club, through good times and bad! Thanks to all supporters from the wider North SD County area who understand what we are trying to accomplish and the challenges we face.

Former Grizz 8 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 12:48 PM:VC can run up the score on all the cupcakes they want. any decent competition u fold. Westview? can u even consider them decent? and now yur gonna go and beat o side? i dont think so. the talent and coaching at o side is untouchable. program with class. playing against them last yr, they play the game. they let their play speak for them. much respect to o side. put vc in their place.

Glory Years wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:42 PM:Orange Glen Football was destroyed by the opening of VCHS, the VC talent pool combined with the kids in the attendance boundries in Escondido (What a concept) made the program competitive and gave OG an identity. Current policy and demographics may have finally finished off a once proud program, all we have is the legacy of the Disney's, Moyneur's,Salisbury's, McGill, Hartsuyker, Stehly's, Morris, to look back on.

to ayron wrote on Oct 27, 2008 2:52 PM:I think you have just said what most of us are thinking. I am neither a Patriot or a Jaguar but I do think that this all has to stop. My hat goes off to OG for coming out every week and playing with so much heart. But I could not believe what I am reading, we have people bashing one team for scoring and then people saying that Orange Glen should just forfiet the rest of their games. I believe that both comments are wrong. We are no longer in Pee Wees where every player has to get so much play time and that it has to be fair for all players. We have stepped up a level to where this is a competition. To ask one team to stop playing with all their heart is like asking the other to just give up. Maybe some of you like the teams or you don't. But lets not for get that if we are all given the chance wouldn't we rather win. I know I would and I am sure that the Patriots would love to come away with a huge win. I really hope that for these guys the can have just one to say look what we did. But I don't think that it is another teams place to go and seek restitution for another team. I wish all of the teams luck for the rest of the season. Remember to always play clean and have fun because in the the that is all you will remember down the road. Hey I had fun playing high school football with my buddies, we were the best, we were the worst or we held our own but through it all we were a team.

Glory Years wrote on Oct 27, 2008 4:06 PM:Unfortunatley I think that this is where all of the anger is coming from. I do hope OG can eventually recover. Their team does have alot of heart.

to glory years wrote on Oct 27, 2008 4:07 PM:how about adding Plash and Navarro to your players that should also be remembered

just me wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:58 PM:I am proud of our Patriots. They are fine young men. They work hard and deserve our respect win or loose.
GO BIG BLUE!

to to ayron wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:09 AM:youre right 3934060375256826592%


like i heard before a true team beats with one heart. win loose or tie it shouldnt matter! if you have those around you to lift you up at your worst then you already are a winner!

lets do this wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:39 AM:lets contact Esco and have them send their players that stand on the side lines to OG. That will shut everyone up about Plash not being a good coach.

Member of OG ASB wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:27 AM:Ok, I feel as if some things need to be cleared up first.

I agree that this was definitely not the best pep rally we have had. Part of that fact can be attributed to the fact of being handed down a manufactured rivalry that we were required to pump up. It was, for all intents and purposes, mandated that we base this rally around our football team. Unfortunately, we do have a losing team, and one that is losing members, and was going up against a fairly strong football team. No one believed the premise that this rally was based on, which is completely understandable. The students didn't, and I don't think the administration really believed in it. The football team and coaching staff didn't even believe in it. They were acting as if they KNEW they were going to get killed that night. As they were introduced, using only positive terms, they proceeded to WALK out onto the floor, eyes down, marching to a slow cadence; a death march. They were already defeated. There was nothing in them; there was no spark, there was no spirit. I personally heard the crowd go from cheering to silence. We were not aware that we were going to be introducing a dead team, but even if we had, we wouldn't have been able to do anything about it. It is also pertinent to note that it was members of the student body that booed the football team, not the ASB. While we do what we can to raise school spirit, there is only so much one can do to try to get students to believe in a football team that doesn't believe in themselves.

Please do not take this in an entirely negative manner. We do support our football team, and many of the football team members are friends of mine, and are in ASB. I am very proud of the amount of work they always give, and what they do every Friday night. However, to say that it is entirely the ASB's fault, as if we can do anything to boost our football team's record at a time like this, is not only ignorant, but hurtful to the many members of ASB that put hours upon hours into making these Pep Rallies work.

As I previously stated, this was a rally based purely on the manufactured rivalry of aptly titled "Backyard Bash." Were there ways we could have improved it? Of course. Would we have been able to change how the football team was received? Personally, I don't believe so.

We do what we can to improve the school as a whole, and try to maintain spirit for the SCHOOL, not just the football team. Please do not fall into the trap of believing that the school is based around the football team, or any sport for that matter. We have an amazing campus, great students, and terrific teachers. We may not have a winning football team, but I would not trade the campus, and especially the student body, for any other in the area.

Sincerely,
A humble ASB member of the great school of Orange Glen High.

Tides will turn in the future wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:28 AM:Go Orange Glen, hang in there. Coach Plash ignore the BS. Unfortunatly, if anyone who knew the real story would know that there were not hoards of applicants to take the OG coaching position. And Yes, it was posted nationally. It is unfortunate that OG is down to what, 15 able players. No one can blame any teams for running up the scores and cushioning stats. Going on 4th with that significant of a lead is sad but, hoepfully tides will turn. Thank You passionate parents, pregnant trainers and anyone who supports their team. A special thanks to the those OG players who are commited to their team and who are growing up to be great young men.

proud Patriot parent wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:51 PM:To member of o.g. A.S.B,
That is ridiculous... Our football boys deserve far more respect than they are currently getting. Oh by the way, When is A.S.B. SEASON? Oh that's right there isn't one. Are we setting a precedence to BOO all our sports teams that don't meet A.S.B. standards?
GO BIG BLUE!

grumpy wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:21 PM:To a.s.b.,
Tell the truith there is a huge difference between silence and Booing.
The football team is currently struggling we are all aware of that.
Football is critically evaluated by the score on the score board each week. How is a.s.b. evaluated? Do you compete with nieghboring schools? a.s.b. is a class in which the students receive class credit.
Our football boys work hard because they love the game and their coaches. Not because the get class credit.
If you can't be an atlete atleast be an atletic supporter!

grumpy wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:53 PM:To A.S.B. member:
Please don't take this in an entirely negative manner when I say you are not telling the truith. There wasn't silence there was Booing.
A.S.B. is a class in which a student receives class credit. Football is a very physical sport that requires hard work and dedication. The Players don't receive class credit for their sweat and determination.
Please don't defend this deplorable behavior. All our athletes deserve respect for their efforts.
It is also worthwhile to note,athletics bring in alot of revenue in for A.S.B.

Proud Blogger wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:59 PM:Enough already! Let's all just stop bitching and just flat out support OG, our kids, each other. Especially during these difficult times. Like Plash said, 'what's this world coming to?' This is a sports blog, not a forum to complain about everything under the sun. I guess I can piss and moan about politics, global warming, price of gas and lord knows what else here too. Don't get me started!!!!!!!!

saddays wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:17 PM:its a sad day for all involved when a coach who formerly coached your school, with a score already out of reach, goes for it on 4th down.What was the real message there Coach G.??

Let the rivalry end wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:21 PM:It is so hard to believe that two schools who used to be one are at such odds with each other. I do know part of what caused it to begin with but that was how many years ago. I know that we can't have one team for just the two schools because we are not just one school. I would love to see a joint game between the two schools though where both teams offense joined together against both defense. I think that it would go along way for each school to understand the other. In this time of war we need to try and pull our country together and the best place to start is with our youth. I think that there has been alot of missunderstanding going on here. People are passionate and you do tend to get defenseive when you feel that your kids, your team or you school get attacked. Everyone of these kids weither they are a Jaguar or a Patriot are good hard working kids who are just getting a bad rap. Lets end all of this bickering and just move on.

To OG Players wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:51 PM:You guys keep on fighting. There are many many people who know how hard you are working and how much you sacrifice to play football for your school. You have far more character than our critics, and it does not go unnoticed. BTW your critics wouldn't last a single snap of any friday night game.

Im sorry wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:57 PM:I think that it is time for all of this to end. I am VC Mom and I would like to apologize. As all of you parents know when you feel like your kids are being attacked that mother bear instinct goes into overdrive. I know that is no excuse but it is the only one I have. Again I am sorry and I hope that you have an awesome game on friday. I would love to see you guys have a blowout week. Your Players have alot of heart and courage. To go out and play week after week when you lose players either by injury or other means shows pride in yourselves and your school and I applaud you. Keep up the fight your are great young men.

to member of ASB wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:00 PM:My friends daughter texted here mom during the pep rally and the players got booed and it started with the x football player in the cow suit. Wrong message to send Mrs. T. We all know that you never let the control go to anyone else so if you didn't want them getting booed you could have stopped it because you always have the mic.

to VC mom wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:09 PM:No apology needed we weren't putting your players down and if we were I wouldn't expect you to defend them. That is why we are so pationate about our players and coaches because we know how hard they work everyday and then each week we have the sideline coaches putting everything they do. Nobody can ever be happy and look at the good they just have to point out the bad.

to member of ASB wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:14 PM:Mrs. T. except the blame for once you are out of control.
Mrs. T.= retire enough is enough

to ASB memeber wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 PM:You're not fooling anybody, Mrs. Turrentine; everybody knows you wrote that. You shouldnt support those negative attitudes at our school.

beautiful.. wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:58 PM:98 comments on a 55-7 blowout game..cant wait to see how many comments this thing gets when O-side throttles OG

to beautiful wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:11 PM:Can you not see that there is more to this than the game. People are frustrated about what is happening with the school and the football program and there are people that are non believers and don't have a clue on what is really going on so this is how they choose to display all the negative comments aren't these people nice? We have to deal with them week after week and all we want is the best for our kids. They don't give anyone a chance to prove themselves because all the blogs started last year when the new coach came in and has been hard at work to build a good program and hearing this stuff really deflates the players and coaches,but they go right back and start all over again. GO Patriots!!! Forget about the negative and keep doing what you are doing.

realsdFootball wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:13 PM:This is not really about Oside vs. Orange Glen...This is about the classless disrespect that Valley Center has for inferior teams. OG has some problems and Valley Center should not feel good about that win...just like Oceanside will not as well. This is about the following week when Valley Center has to come to Oceanside and face the wrath of the Pirates. I'm sorry, but only having #5 of your team doesn give you a win..Oside has 4 legitimate receivers to go to... not just one. Also, Coleman is only a Sophomore and has done things #5 can only dream of doing as a sophomore...In two years, Coleman will have surpass #5 at the high school level. He will have offers from D1 before #5 did. Word to your motha's!!!!

OGASB-Member wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:18 PM:There was silence from some, there was booing from others. Again, I must stress that this was not some insidious plot from ASB to boo the football team, it was the crowd reacting negatively to what was happening. We can not control the entire crowd, that just isn't feasible. If you must know, Mrs. T. also tried to quiet down those that were booing in the crowd. I am a first-hand witness, I heard her specifically denounce those that were booing. I guess the rally could have ended there, but would that have been a good ending? The crowd booing, and everyone being kicked out?

There is no reason to attack ASB for the crowd's behavior though. We did whatever there was to be done, and I believe they were announced along the lines of "These guys have been working hard every single day since last spring. They have been giving their hearts to the game, and have been giving their absolute all every single Friday for us. Let's give a great welcome to our Orange Glen Patriot Football Team!!!!!" How can that be construed negatively? We talked about the effort they have put in for us, and the blood and sweat they give us... How can that be the cause of the crowd's booing?

The main concern I am currently seeing, is that many believe that it actually was ASB's doing that created the booing. I did not personally see "the cows" booing, but I am also well aware that it seemed to be an entire class of students that was booing. It is in no way possible for the two kids that are being accused to have created the volume and magnitude of booing.

And no, the accusation that I am Mrs. T. is just silly. Just because I actually have the ability to articulate my position in a reasonable manner doesn't mean that I am instantly a former English teacher. Thank you though, I will take that as a compliment.

And I am in no way supporting the actions of those crowd members, I am merely defending ASB from the baseless claims (for the most part. I will see how true the claims are that the cows were indeed the ones that started the booing) that are being hurled at us.

I, too, believe that the bickering should end though. We are one school, and this was an isolated incident. I realize there are bound to be frustrated parents and players, but a group of kids that are just there to try to create school spirit and run a pep rally as best we can, is not the correct target for that.

Go Andy wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:19 PM:Hope you get to 1000 this week not much to go. We are cheering for you.

interesting wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:14 AM:To A,S.B. member:
You are singing a different slighly different tune now that you have been called out. Now there was SOME booing.I contend that the incident could have been controlled.The booing students should have been kicked out then and there.
I will stay tuned to see if your accounting of the Pep Rally changes again. While you are semi-articulate you are not telling the truth,and that is what has some upset at you.....FYI being called Mrs. Turrentine is defenitely NOT a compliment

OG active student wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:40 AM:I would have to say, yes, there was booing. Yes, it did come from some ASB members; not all, but some. It made me sad to see leaders doing that. No one in ASB will say it so I will. Get T off the microphone and get some new ideas for peprally's. Most importantly show some class and don't boo. T't ASB it wasn't the entire ASB they are talking about. It's a few that choose to set bad examples.

m wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:32 AM:this is funny you guys it makes me laugh go VC also Vc only scored 1 TD second half to let you know im out piece

ECHS wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:36 AM:el camino high school is doing just as bad but no one booed our team at the pep rally.. nuthin but love! im in asb and to those asb members its sad to be a leader and to be doing that! show some class and show support to your team no matter how bad it may be for them! you have no business being a leader and showing no respect for your team...

and to that comment about asb being a credit class i agree... we do get credit but still we have the choice to run and be in asb.. even though el camino isnt doing great this year us wildcats will show support out team to the fullest.... i suggest og do the og do the same... not all but some..

ps to og asb member weve had booing before... a good mc would have control over the audience next time grab the mic and just say stop booing.. is that too hard for you? or are you scared of your audience?

To ASB wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:46 AM:I will try again to get my comment posted.......first one didn't make the cut!! As an OG parent I would like to thank all of you for everything you do. I know first hand all of the hours it takes to put together the pep rally's, dances, etc. I think that the article one of you posted to defend the entire ASB for something that was just out of your control and a very unfortunated incident, came across in a very negative way about our football players. These boys are beat down week after week, not only on the field but in these blogs (some of them have actually had there names called out).I for one, was very upset to read your description of the pep rally, and wonder, just how much spirit or spark would you have if you were in their shoes??

OG wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:03 AM:People are going on and on like this is the first bad season that OG has had. I am an alumni and we only had one year while I was there that we went to the playoffs. I think that in order for this program to improve the amount of support they get has to improve. I have never been a fan of Mrs.T and will not pretend that I think she could have done more to stop the Booing( which by the way is WRONG. ) But what about your principle and other staff they could have done somethinf.

Seriously wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:13 AM:I seriously can't believe what is happening to OG since Mr. Ochoa left. It has not even been one year since he left and look at all of you. The school is totally falling apart. I am sure if he read these posts he would be so disappointed in all of you. Last year OG was not a winning school and they had the VC rivilary and this did not happen. I think that there are way too many alumni at OG trying to relive the years that they attended the school.

Have any of you thought maybe shifting gears into a different focus??? OG has an awesome soccer team, why don't we forget about being a winning football team and concentrate on being an awesome soccer team. Come on what is seriuosly wrong with that? Nothin, those poor kids work hard and win and nobody gives them pep rallies or credit for what they do. Instead you all are hung up on being the best foot ball team. Face it that will more than likely not happen.. SO, let me as you this, if your child was not good and something would you force him to keep doing it and put him down or would you support what they are good at?

No difference here folks, support your students children and the OG kids at what they are good at... soccer and other sports.

No, I do not have a football player or a soccer player just meerely observing!

ASB, why not try to lead the group in doing this and support the other team sports just as much you do football and maybe leading with example will help in this instance.

GO OG SOCCER!

Observation wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:17 AM:OG might not have the best score or a winning team....................................... BUT
They have the most commented on game article on the North County Times page!!!!!

GO ORANGE GLEN!

Interested wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:08 AM:As a former OG band member and now a parents of a band member at a different school I have a question. We are going on and on about the booing that was done at the pep rally which was VERY WRONG, but what you all do not realize is you do this to your band all of the time. This group of kids work just as hard as your football team and get no respect at all. No one pays attention when they are playing and most just get up and leave. Do any of you ask how they did at their competition over the weekend. When I was a Patriot we were a big band and got no respect. We all need to realize that it is not only our athletes that need our support but all of our student body. Pep Rallies for football. How about a celebration for Band or how about the debate team if anyone still has those. Does anyone know how your FFA did at the fair this year? Take the time teachers and staff as well show all of your students that everything that goes on at your school is important and you will be amazed at how Patriot Pride will increase. This goes for all schools let show all of our students that even though they may not be athletes that they are important to our school.

OBSERVATION wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:24 AM:I seriously can't believe what is happening to OG since Mr. Ochoa left. It has not even been one year since he left and look at all of you. The school is totally falling apart. I am sure if he read these posts he would be so disappointed in all of you. Last year OG was not a winning school and they had the VC rivalry and this did not happen. I think that there are way too many alumni at OG trying to relive the years that they attended the school.

Have any of you thought maybe shifting gears into a different focus??? OG has an awesome soccer team, why don't we forget about being a winning football team and concentrate on being an awesome soccer team. Come on what is seriously wrong with that? Nothing, those poor kids work hard and win and nobody gives them pep rallies or credit for what they do. Instead you all are hung up on being the best foot ball team. Face it that will more than likely not happen.. SO, let me as you this, if your child was not good and something would you force him to keep doing it and put him down or would you support what they are good at?

No difference here folks, support your students children and the OG kids at what they are good at... soccer and other sports.

No, I do not have a football player or a soccer player just merely observing!

ASB, why not try to lead the group in doing this and support the other team sports just as much you do football and maybe leading with example will help in this instance.

GO OG SOCCER!

Go VC wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:29 AM:OG needs to stop crying about the loss, its football, you are suppose to do as well as possible if you cant handle that then get outta here. OG is a rival and all this nonsense about our team getting on their knees is ridicuolus we were on our knees just as long as OG was. VC will try their best against Oceanside and hopefully pull through and win. GO VC!!!!!!!!!!!

to interseted wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:41 AM:Every sport, club, group, ect, should have the backing of ASB the football works very hard and gets no respect. The band practices hard never any compliments, field hockey,water polo,vollyball give it their all. all the kids and coaches and kid desevre respect and props they deserve. WE all need to come together and show repect for each other cheer for each other under any cicumstance. Support everything at yor school stick toghether and maybe we can Bring the OG PRIDE back

YOU MAKE THE DIFFERANCE wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:46 PM:The problem here is the class of individuals and their parents that go to OG. Unfortunately the demographic of the area has changed dramatically in the last 15 years. Not to say that these aren't good people, just saying they may not hold the same standards as students and parents of those students 10-15 years ago. Many things are the cause for this, one that really stands out is how the school board has made OG a dumping ground for so many years by letting the more affluent students transfer out to SP and the athletic students transfer to ESCO. As much as nobody wants to hear this it's a fact; OG get's the scraps the left overs. I care about the OG players and student body, but the moral is very low at the school and it probably won't change until things start turning around.

Look we're not a football school, maybe we were back when the coaches played but that's history. Maybe what we need is a new direction, stop trying to live in the past or bring back those glory days, it's not going to happen. The majority of the school is Latino, probably not the biggest kids out there, compared to the Indian players at VC or the Samoans of OC, we all know this. Let's focus on sports that we do better in, soccer, baseball etc. I love football as much as the next guy but getting down on our kids is not helping matters.

If you really want to make a difference, volunteer. If you want to make a change the school board members are up for election next week, go out and vote them out and someone new in. Change starts here with us. So stop complaining and do something about it!

GO OG!

vc adult wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:57 PM:I myself have been a coach and I was in the front stands that night with adults and students. I am sad to read these false accuasations so I will tell the truth.
Everyone of the VC football players took a knee once it was realized that the player was not getting up, during the time the ref went over as well as the trainers and coaches. This is honorable and expected of the boys. No one says anything about Oceanside beating Mt. Carmel by as much as they did.
We are a small high school and therefore have less players on our sideline (our line is "not as deep as other big school teams)- we put our "other string players" in the game after 1st quarter.
We actually (as a school) cheerleaders, students and parents were very concerned, worried and even some "were hoping, praying together or eyes were teary" while thinking the injured player may have been hurt seriously.( I admit it was not recognized right away by the fans that "there was actually a player down" - Pop Warner cheerleaders were visiting and youth were performing for many of their families. We all discussed OG's tenacity and honor (especially the coaches and the team leaders - the dependable seniors - at "how they play and never give up " even in difficult circumstances (maybe missing senior players).
The stands and the cheerleaders all clapped and cheered for him as he was put into the Paramedic vehicle, and he waved to all of us... we were so releived.
Furthermore as a team the boys prayed after the game for the player who many of us actually knew (we are neighbors) Felix.

vc player wrote on Oct 29, 2008 2:07 PM:um we only have 7 o-line man and i belive 6 d-lineman and thay all play one way so its not like we are going to put people that dont play a position on the line so im sorry if you believe that we ran up the score on orange glen i also have quite a few friends on the orange glen roster including some of their captains so i felt bad that the score ended how it did i hope they have a good game against O-side (also cant wait till we play them)

go VC wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:01 PM:Have you not read the blogs not much about VC game just a bunch of bull at the school.

OG Supporter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:16 PM:I not surprised by the NCT actions of not posting my previous post because of their political correctness. So let's try this again.

The problem here is the class of individuals and their parents that go to OG. Unfortunately the demographic of the area has changed dramatically in the last 15 years. Not to say that these aren't good people, just saying they may not hold the same standards as students and parents of those students 10-15 years ago. Many things are the cause for this, one that really stands out is how the school board has made OG a dumping ground for so many years by letting the more affluent students transfer out to SP and the athletic students transfer to ESCO. As much as nobody wants to hear this it's a fact; OG get's the scraps the left over’s. I care about the OG players and student body, but the moral is very low at the school and it probably won't change until things start turning around.

Look we're not a football school, maybe we were back when the coaches played but that's history. Maybe what we need is a new direction, stop trying to live in the past or bring back those glory days, it's not going to happen. The majority of the school is Latino, probably not the biggest kids out there, compared to the Indian players at VC or the Samoans of OC, we all know this. Let's focus on sports that we do better in, soccer, baseball etc. I love football as much as the next guy but getting down on our kids is not helping matters.

If you really want to make a difference, volunteer. If you want to make a change the school board members are up for election next week, go out and vote them out and someone new in. Change starts here with us. So stop complaining and do something about it! You can make a differance!

GO OG!

VCbelle luv 6 wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:19 PM:ok so for all you hating on VC out there, consider this; Valley Center is a small school we have less than 1300 kinds in all 4 grades, thats about half the size of most teams in our league. so we have a limited choice when it comes to football guys, and yes coach Gilster did play the starters for most of the game, and got us up by a substancial amount of points, but what would you all be saying if we had only beat OG by 14 points?? i think there would b some more rude coments about our chances againt oceanside. And about going for the extrs points, have you ever thought tht maybe the boys wanted the practice, they rarely have that opportunity in most games, maybe it was a learning expirience. I happen to know that Coach Gilster is a very honest guy and would never do something just to say that we killed OG. he was proboably trying to keep up the momentum for the next two games. After all it is OG, which has been VC's rival ever since our school was founded in 1997. So wouldn't you want to cream your rivals. I think so. Yes it is sad that OG cant get together a good program but why does VC care about that?? and for the record i am very proud of our VC boys!!! go get 'em against Ramona and Oceanside!!! we love you boys!! go jaguars!!!

to OG Supporter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:53 PM:I think it is great that you want to support OG we all think that they need more of it. But I do think that you need to check somethings out before you start commenting. VC is not an all Indian school like you seem to think. Yes we do have alot and they are all great kids but no bigger then the other kids and not all on the football team. We have boys of all ethnic backgrounds. I think if you looked you would see that most of our kids are just as big as OG's. It does not take size to be a good player or team. My son is smaller then a good majority of his team mates but can tackle guys alot bigger then him. It is the size of your heart and OG's players have big ones. I hope that they know that even though there are those that put them down, there are those of us that would like to help lift them up. Keep up the hard work it does pay off. If not on the playing field in life.

to realsdfootball wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:01 PM:You call VC classless but what are you doing but badmouthing someone else about a matter that does not concern you. All you are doing is making yourself look bad. We all get that you have a great team, but as far as class you as a person are not showing any. Let your team come out and play hard and have a good game that is what it takes to show how good. Not how well you trash talk another team.

soon to be former OG student wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:02 PM:I have now sat here for about an hour and a half reading all of these blogs. Being a supporter of OG football and an ASB member, I feel I need to say a few things.

I want the football team (those of you that weren't kicked off or who quit) to know that I have so much respect for you all. You boys have had a tough season and you never give up. I know you haven’t received all the support that you deserve. But blaming all of ASB (especially Mrs. Turrentine) is NOT the answer. I really don’t want this to be taken the wrong way. I will be the first to say that booing your own schools football team is unjustified and pathetic. To all of you that booed, you should be ashamed, you are the ones destroying our schools spirit. I do think that someone needs to say something or talk to the boys that were kicked off the football team. I know that some of these boys booed their former team (they know who you are). There is probably more to the story then I know, but in my opinion, I think they gave up on the team, or in their own words “DGAF”. Missing one practice doesn’t seem like a big deal, but it’s disrespectful to your team. You let them down. It’s not funny anymore. Grow up and be respectful. Stop giving ASB and Mrs. T a bad name. I really just want everyone to know that the true ASB members really do support the football team. Mrs. T and a group of ASB members ALWAYS go support the football players at their games on Friday nights. We can’t control the former football players who booed or the other students that booed. I had to say something because it bothers me to hear people bash Mrs. T and ASB. I know ASB is only a class, but most people don’t see or realize how many extra hours some of us spend trying to make school events better and/or boost school spirit. Enough is enough. Changes need to be made. People need to stop blaming the wrong people and others need to take responsibility for their actions. Our football team is going through a hard time, but that is not Coach Plash’s fault. He is trying to rebuild the football program. Like Coach Plash is rebuilding the football program, Mrs. Turrentine is rebuilding the ASB class. So please, let us all move forward and support each other. Students, Teachers, Principles, Parents, and the rest of the faculty need to join together and fight to restore the pride and school spirit at Orange Glen.




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sean wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:16 PM:all the people out there who are bagging on VC need to grow up. We have never disrespected any team out there and we never will. We play hard football against any team we face, whether it be OG or Oside. We felt bad to see the OG players that actually have something invested tin the season have it smashed in their faces. ANd as for Oside being this classy amazing invincible team, you need to open your eyes. Go read some other comments left on other articles. Maybe it will change your mind. they are high school kids and they are not perfect. WE will play our best and you will see.

valleycenterjag wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:52 PM:As a VCHS student I know how hard our football team works and how respectful they all are. They take their game seriously and have benefited from their effort. We have three CIF titles, one D-3 and two D-4. Sorry that we aren't a D-1 school but not everyone can be. We have a very small student body but we do the best with what we have. Our players don't go around talking trash about other teams even though they get nasty things said to them and about them all the time. We have been the butt of Orange Glen's jokes ever since our school was founded and now they can't handle the fact that we demolish them just like every other school in the county. OG's football team will improve, every school has ups and downs; it's not our fault that we are a good team and are having a good season. As to all the Oceanside players, OG parents, etc who are badmouthing Valley Center and saying that we have no class, you should really look at who's talking. Your comment only prove that you are the ones with no class. Everyone wants to be proud of their team and there is nothing wrong with that but remember it is only high school football. Congrats to all my VC boys on your win and a great season so far. The best of luck against Ramona and Oceanside. Win or lose VC will play hard and show that not only are they a team with respect but a team to be respected.

GO JAGS!

To VC wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:44 PM:I am not being disrespectful, but you heard it first. 56-14 Oceanside Pirates over VC. Oceanside is unbeleivably good. They can play with Servite, Crespi, Mater Dei, De La Salle, etc. This team is on a different level. You shal see, and you will be a believer. Unbeleivably good ! Wow !

well wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:47 PM:we know OG will get throttled in 2 days..and a considerable amount of people will come on here again...I cant wait till San Marcos a team that OG thinks they can walk all over? haha it will be another blowout..Coach Pulu will have his team ready to play..
people forget about O-side focus on SM....2 very similar situations as far as their football programs....both trying to turn the corner..Honestly this is the most important game of the season for both teams.. If OG (as they probably will) gets blown out I mean what other options are there??? It will be very telling of where OG really is as a football program

to sean and vc players wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:25 PM:first of all it is not the oside players or coaches writing those it is the fans leaving those comments... so you open your eyes ok they are an amazing to and they are classy!!

to well wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:02 PM:Og doesn't think they are going to walk all over SM I don't even know where you got that idea. Yes we are both in the same situation and you are at a better advantage your fresh team was great last year and I am sure that they are on varsity now. Give some credit to the coach that was let go he was building a good program and Pulu picked up where he left of and he isn't doing that great from what the fans are saying in your blogs no one will give any credit unless you kick but every time people are so judgemental all the tims.

I dont know wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:27 PM:you know to tell you the truth, i dont know if oside is classy or not, they probably are. But its very disrespectful to us (VC) to hear all this crap about how we are a bunch of disrespectful, unclassy punks when you have no idea who we are. Its unbeleivable when not once have we as a team, or individuals ever said or did anything to earn this reputation. I just dont get it...

retired coach wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:28 PM:No direct offense to coach Plash but please tell me how he has turned or is in the process of turning this program around? Yes he puts forth time and energy no one is doubting or questioning that. But this program has only gone backwards since the previous coaching staff has left. Dont tell me give him more time if Ochoa was still around he would get ride of coach Plash after the season. Many will argue but please list one thing: gpa does not count when you only have 17 kids it should be easy to keep the eligable. Where is og headed? I don't think you really want the answer, get some new blood that has head coaching experience go out of state to find someone. This IS SO CAL who would not want to come here.

to retired coach wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:08 PM:How has the program gone backwards?
Please tell me.

to retired coach wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:00 PM:We have 30 on the roster and several are injured. Coach and his staff work many long hours and weekends trying to improve. They have had a 99% attendance throughout the summer the kids that are here are committed to the program and they are lifting more than in the past. They are trying to make football players out of boys who have never played a day of football before high school what do you expect most of the teams have had kids in pop warner for years and they know a lot about football. My son is one of those boys who never played football but he is out there everyday working to be better and he has bought into Coach Plashes program and wouldn't want to go any place else. He has been at the school 1 1/2 and has been very successful in fundraising to buy the players new helmets, pads, and several other things to make this a top notch program like SP and Esco have and from what I can see and you can ask other parents he has came a long way. And he has also made the kids commit to keeping their grades up. I know you don't care about the grades but he is trying to take things in the right direction. If you are a retired coach why don't you come down and give him some help we can never have to much help maybe you can teach him a thing or two. What was your record.

back to back to back to back wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:01 AM:I think a lot of the unclassiness of VC was exposed by Westview. They were the ones complaining about VC be classless and after they played Oside they were writing about how classy Oside was. I think because of this everybody is assuming VC is a bunch of punks. Maybe they are and maybe they are not. BTW, nobody is talking about Oside winning 59-14 bacause they pulled their starters at the half and weren't throwing it on fourth down late in the game to first string players, not to mention, they only have about thriry guys on the team.

VC Students wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:28 AM:STOP HATEING!!!!!!

Why does every1 alwaya atrat with hating on VC?? Were not a bad team. Just cuz we have wins and more pride than most teams (Unlike O-side)Doesnt mean you can hate on our Head Coach. Gilster is the S***!!!!!!!!!!! He is the reason why were making ti to the top. ALONG with our players.

to everyone wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:31 AM:Unfortunatley kids have been coming up thru the ranks in Pop warner and Little league in the OG area with less then standard coaching. I can tell you from first hand experience some of these volunteers and coaches have ruined it for a lot of kids who have had bad experiences playing football or baseball etc...They quit playing sports period. It starts in the community. Has much as people want to help, volunteer coach at OG and the community there is still a state of mind with the sports programs that is negative. First off none of the coaches whether its in football, baseball etc.. Do not want any advise from anyone outside. Instead of opening up to new ideas and try things different. They stay on the same path
of losing programs. Until these people are removed it will be the same old tune.

People people people wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:30 AM:The best answer would be to turn Orange Glen into an academy school similar to San Diegeto. There is no way that the big sports can compete year in and year out with the current situation and student body. Change to a academy and build sports teams as interest warrants. Football will not work unless the district makes drastic changes or unless Orange Glen is put into another league, like a San Diego type league

Proud Jaguar Parent wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:28 AM:Hey VC let them trash talk all they want. We know the truth and that is what matters. Don't worry I honestly don't think that it is the O'side players that are posting here. VC is a very classy group of kids who just wants to go out and play football. Hey realsdfootball why do you have such a problem with our scores yours are no different. Football is played on the feild with a ball not on the sideline with your mouth. Let your teams playing and record speek for it self because you are definatley making your fellow Pirates look bad. Boasting about your record is classless VC IS NOT!!

to to sean and vcplayers wrote on Oct 30, 2008 10:53 AM:You tell sean and vcplayers to open their eyes. Your fans are making comments and it is okay with you but let VC say something are you get bent out of shape. These guys are tired of being put down. They work hard both on the field and off and are sick and tired of hearing everyone bash them. GO VC WE LOVE YOU!!! PLAY HARD, PLAY CLEAN, AND HAVE A BLAST!!! WE LOVE IT WHEN YOU WIN BUT WE LOVE YOU NO MATTER WHAT!!!!!!!! VC ROCKS!!!

OBSERVER wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:22 AM:OG needs to hire Joel Torres a POP Warner coach as their head coach. This gentleman has coached a number of the player and has had many many winning seasons. Just my two sense.

pirates wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:42 AM:wow this has 140 comments? oside loves their school vc loves their school... both programs are great... og just needs more time... who cares whos leaving the comments here just continue to show support for your team no matter what the outcome is!

OG Parent wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:47 AM:I have to agree; the coaches have their hearts in the right place but are not willing to listen to outside experience. Example, OG had a former Pro football player who coaches for the Chargers, this coach worked for OG for 7 months. OG wins their first game they play and “poof” the professional coach is gone. What happened to him? The coaching staff let him go because they "didn't agree with his coaching methods". What a bunch of bull. Maybe they should have listened to him a little bit longer. I’m not saying he was the reason they won the game, but this program has turned into a club of alumni’s running things from the top down. Most of the coaches are former OG players; do they really have the experience needed to coach high school players? Coaching is a lot different than playing.

The system doesn’t work and needs to be scrapped. We need to start from scratch with experienced, seasoned and proven track record coaching staff. I agree with a lot of parents out their, our coaches work hard and give a lot to the school; but if you want to win, if that’s what’s important than you must go a different direction. Winning takes a lot of sacrifice and that may mean changing a lot of things, including coaches.

I wonder wrote on Oct 30, 2008 1:04 PM:How many coaches has OG had since vc opened? How many winning seasons have they had? How much experience did the previous coaches have? Where is this coach you people talk about that can change things? Bring him here and lets see if he can change things in one and a half years. Would have he kept the kids on the team if they planned ahead to miss practice? I relly wonder.

To pirates wrote on Oct 30, 2008 1:13 PM:THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WELL SAID

To OG PARENT wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:09 PM:THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU WRITE INTO THE BLOGS HAVE YOU EVER ASKED COACH PLASH WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE THERE IS MORE TO THIS STORY AND WHAT YOU ARE PRINTING IS COMPLETELY WRONG!!!!

Debbie wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:21 PM:I am a parent that helps out and it really bothers me that people have to keep blogging about things that they don't have the slightest idea what the true story is. Maybe before you blog you should check the facts and don't listen to rumors because there is a lot of that going on around. All I want is my son to have a good experience in high school and the crap that keeps going on can ruin it for everyone involved. It is time to stop complaining and step up help to make this better for your kids also.

TO ALL THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT COACHES wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:35 PM:Okay I have one question for you all. Do you really think that all the grumping and groaning on here is going to change things at OG? No it is not. Have you not heard of going to a school board meeting. Or Maybe setting one up up the admin at your school. Give your coaches a chance. Are you going to tell these boys that they can't play because they aren't winning like you want. I don't think so. They are learning and even the best coach in the world can not turn a program around in such short time.

vc Jag wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:06 PM:GO JAGS... nuff said