Joan wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:11 PM:I am disapointed that the teachers union (I mean taxpayers)spent $1,000,000 on the opposition of Prop 8. Our taxes pay the salaries of the teachers and their union dues come from their salaries. Next time the teachers want a raise go see the union. Sounds like they have tons of money to burn.

Sara wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:13 PM:I hope your article mentions that on Monday, hundreds of Prop 8 supporters lined Winchester, Rancho California and Highway 79 South. There was overwhelming support as evidenced by the honking of car horns.

No on 8 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:55 PM:Looks like the Yes on 8 campaign is teaching kids about same sex marriage.. or the lack there of.. Way to go hypocrites.

Charge wrote on Oct 27, 2008 8:56 PM:them with daytime loitering.

Kids wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:11 PM:are not old enough to vote.. Parents should be keeping them in school.

YesNo wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:21 PM:I've watched the yes on 8 crowd and the no on 8 crowd on Murrieta Hot Springs. My observations: Yes on 8 were acting cordially, No on 8 camp on the other corner, lots of hate filled words for the Yes on 8 crowd. I don't see how they can be for equality and hate so much!

To Joan wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM:Teachers pay taxes as well so they can decide how to spend their money. CTA believes that this is a civil rights issue and their charter requires them to protect the civil rights of teachers and students. Maybe you should go back to the 60's and try to stop interracial marriages while you are at it. They used the exact same morality argument back then too.

NO ON 8 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:47 PM:Not all Temeculans are so narrow minded and hateful. NO ON 8!

C wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:09 PM:Yes on 8 sends letter to California state board of education
and superintendent of public instruction reminding them of state education laws and standards
October 22, 2008
Contact: Chip White, 916-446-2956
Sacramento – Finding it necessary to acquaint them with state education laws and curriculum standards to which they appear to be unfamiliar, the Yes on Proposition 8 campaign today sent a letter to the Honorable Jack O’Connell, Superintendent of Public Instruction and Ted Mitchell, president of the California State Board of Education (BOE) to correct their recent statements to the media about Proposition 8 and the teaching of gay marriage in public schools.

Most interestingly, BOE President Mitchell seems unaware of guidelines on his own Web site, which state that 96 percent of school districts accept the technically voluntary sex education curriculum. Further, the California Department of Education (CDE) Web site notes specifically that in the 96 percent of school districts that do accept the curriculum, they are REQUIRED to include instruction and materials that “teach respect for marriage.”

Both O’Connell and Mitchell recently expressed to the media that California law does not require public schools to educate children about marriage. This is at best a semantic attempt to mislead the voters. And it does not refute the assertion in “Yes on 8” advertising that gay marriage will be taught in public schools.

The attached letter identifies Education Code from the CDE Web site that clearly proves otherwise.

“As public officials, it is their duty to be truthful and transparent as it relates to all aspects of California’s education law,” said Andrew Pugno, general counsel to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. “Regardless of personal views and feelings about gay marriage, the public has the right to be informed of the affects gay marriage will have on California’s school children.”

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No to 8 wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:13 PM:I saw more people honking and laughing at these protestors today. Prop 8 has nothing to do with California schools so using your children to make a statement is completely ignorant. While I agree with freedom of speach, I think the Mormon church is a bit hypocritical in their views against Prop 8. They claim to have these strong family values and yet they can practice Polygamy. Laws of Abraham. Prop 8 would take away fundamental rights and you don't see anyone going against the Mormon beliefs. Mind your own business and let people be happy.

Jim wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:20 PM:Joan,

Teachers should be allowed to do whatever they want with their hard-earned salaries. Their work is difficult enough trying to erase the bigotry in the classroom that you instill in them at home. If they want to support a civil rights (yours included) with their money, that's none of your business. If they want to burn it in an open fire, that's still none of your business.

Franklyn wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:29 PM:I'm confused. Why aren't they wearing their white hoods? Oh, Pro Prop 8 signs-- same thing.

matt wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:20 PM:all these people are are a bunch of hypocritical haters
they are hypocrites because half or more of them are prob. divorced, now how does that protect marriage?

Marvin wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:21 PM:Those YES ON 8 supporters are nothing but religious zealots( believers of myths and magic) and false gods who want to tell other human beings how to live their lives and, of course, the only acceptable lifestyle is one that conforms to their standard. I was born gay and kept this to myself for many years out of fear, denial, and that I would be tarred and feathered and maybe stoned to deatth by those who do not understand that this was not a choice but the natural order of things as determined by GOD. I know GOD understands that I did not consciously choose to be gay; in fact, he made me this way. My loving GOD, the real GOD, would never harm me, throw stones at me, or deny me natural feelings of love for other human beings. Please let me live my life in peace and if I choose to commit my life to another person through "marriage" so be it. GOD can accept and love me for who I am. Why can't you?

poiuytre wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:32 PM:Keeping your kids out of school and depriving them of a day of education. Way to use your kids, who aren't even old enough to vote, once again to send a message of hate and intolerance. You should be ashamed!

Justin wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:04 AM:Why would teachers want to donate to No on Proposition 8? I think it is because they strongly believe that what the Yes on 8 campaign accused the No on 8 campaign of lying to voters about same-sex marriage being taught in schools. See if I was to get a bad rep from somebody and if I was being slandered against and wrongfully accused, I would personally do what I could to make sure my voice is heard. I don't think thousands of teachers would donate to the no on 8 campaign simply because they deliberately want to "thought-control" children into being taught same sex marriage. I think since they believe in the freedom of being told what and what not to teach in CA should remain the same. The CA superintendent himself specifically said that even if Proposition 8 were to pass, there is no guarantee that children won't be taught same sex marriage in CA. That's why I think it is totally amazing that (even though they totally don't realize it) parents can choose to have children opt-out of school lessons in CA if they don't think the material is fit for their children to learn. I mean thats what the people who are protesting are doing now as we speak. There is nobody stopping them either.

But let me make my last point. Voting
"Yes on 8" would be kind of like Bush's Iraq strategy... It would be completely pointless if it were to pass. People have mixed plans as of what to do if it DOES actually pass. If it doesn't pass, then people simply go on with their lives as they did before. Gay people will be allowed to marry.. and bigots will have to sit there and just bite their lips and eventually move on and focus on their own lives instead of other people's lives. I mean you don't see LGBT people running around getting petitions to ban religious right-wing christians from getting married... even though that may not be a bad idea.. But I only kid about that. If you read up on CA law.. We CAN vote on this every two years. A perfect example of this would be Proposition 4. That has appeared on the ballot so many times.
So if you are a swing voter and you are reading this. Why prolong the process? Why waste your time? Arnold himself said it was a "waste of time". He is the govenator for a reason. He knows about the law. The law always prevails. That's why lawyers are often the butt of every joke. I am only 20 years old. But even if I were to be a bigot against same-sex marriage, that would be an issue that I would simply give up fighting. In the long run, it is a complete waste of a penstroke on a checkbox. That ink could be saved to sign a contract or to vote for another measure worth supporting such as Prop 1 or Prop 10... So I wouldn't get too cocky if you are a yes on 8 supporter. I think the saying goes "You may have won the battle, but not the war". It is totally true. Ask any lawyer, or judge, or political scientist. They will tell you what I am telling you as of right now. Marriage will be equal... whether in one week from now.. or in 2 years or 10 years... however long it takes.. I kid you not.

Parent wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:07 AM:Congrats to those who took a stand. With the Superintendent of Schools on board as well as the Teacher's union, not attending school and costing them money sends the perfect and clear message. Stay out of politics and concentrate on teaching our kids.

Bogart wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:59 AM:Jim and To Joan should check how many teachers were actually asked if CTA should spend their hard-earned money on this. It sounds like they're both together reliving the 60's ... CTA is good for teachers, like the UAW has been good for Detroit.

parent wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:04 AM:Why didn't the police arrest the students for truancy?

mimi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:36 AM:The teachers union didn't ask the parents what they think about their one million dollar donation, do you really think they care if the parents contacted them? I am happy and proud of the parents and the students who stayed home. Each student not showing up in school hits them where it hurts, in their precious budget. Last year, all we heard was "please help us get money for our budget", this year, they don't even care what we think or believe is right, they are doing whatever they want. Typical socialist unions.

mimi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:38 AM:I saw more people honking and laughing at these protestors today. Prop 8 has nothing to do with California schools so using your children to make a statement is completely ignorant. While I agree with freedom of speach, I think the Mormon church is a bit hypocritical in their views against Prop 8. They claim to have these strong family values and yet they can practice Polygamy. Laws of Abraham. Prop 8 would take away fundamental rights and you don't see anyone going against the Mormon beliefs. Mind your own business and let people be happy.
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You are the ignorant one. If you have kids, just go to a social studies class sometime. The kids get all the politial crap the socialist unions want to brain-wash our kids, including gay marriage and socialism. Who is the ignorant one now?

mimi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:39 AM:Jim
[-] wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:20 PM:Joan,

Teachers should be allowed to do whatever they want with their hard-earned salaries. Their work is difficult enough trying to erase the bigotry in the classroom that you instill in them at home. If they want to support a civil rights (yours included) with their money, that's none of your business. If they want to burn it in an open fire, that's still none of your business.
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Who's money again? You must have forgotten that your property tax and income taxes are paying the teacher's salaries. Remember? So we do have a say in what the so-called teachers teach our kids.

mimi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:40 AM:Go homeschoolers!!!!!

gigi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:42 AM:Every blog here is against Prop 8. How interesting. Where are the for Prop 8 blogs? Socialist censorship.

Let the gays marry wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:54 AM:let them find out what marriage is all about when their marriage fails and they discover the consequences of divorce. Paying alimony, child support and losing the empire. Let the fun begin!

Yeah wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:03 AM:What an amazing sight!! Hundred's of YES on Prop 8 peeps were LINED along Winchester and Rancho CA. Families of all sizes and culture stood for truth, freedom, religion, and family!
This will definitely go down in the books of history.

As an observer, one could clearly see the respectable behavior of these YES supporters in comparission to those against it. Vial, offensive and out-right disgusting!

reply to Parent wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:13 AM:A total of 15 children did not attend school in Temecula on Monday in opposition toward the CTA and their support for "No on 8". Whoa, that's alot of parents that took a stand!!! What's that, like $200 bucks taken from the schools? Not a huge amount of parents taking a stand now is it? Message was not loud and clear. Make sure to get our your white robe while you are at it!

Shame Shame wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:13 AM:NO on 8. Discrimination has no place in our constitution. Keep Religion out of Schools and out of Government. Shame on these backward people!

Yes on Prop 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:14 AM:No on 8, I think you're demonstrated your own religious bigotry. The Later Days Saints, which you refer to as "Mormons", who have gone on public record against 8, have not practiced polygamy for over 100 years. There are some renegade "Mormons", on the other hand, who would welcome a defeat of Prop 8. And what about bisexuals? Why should marriage only be between two consenting adults? After all, once you legitimize marriage between a same sex couple; you strengthen the argument that bisexuals should not have to choose which sex they would rather be with.

Not in Curriculum wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:17 AM:Teachers should teach history, geography, math, spelling, literature, writing, biology, chemistry, physics, etc. They should stay out of the business of teaching our kids what they learn at home - morality, religious beliefs, etc. Maybe teachers are so bad at their job because they feel that every kid who enters their door is 'theirs to mold' as they see fit. Teachers - stick to the approved subjects and stay out of our kids personal lives and leave the parenting to the parents!

to YesNo wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:18 AM:Try having one of your basic human rights violated and THEN tell me that you're not a bit disgruntled?!

Disgusted wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:20 AM:Wow. I saw the same thing happen when people wanted to keep Hispanics on their side of the fence.

Here's the thing...

I don't spend money on concert tickets to hear a musicians political agendga.. just sing...

I don't pay my taxes and send my kids to school so I can watch their political agendga march up and down the streets... just teach

Oh and school district... I understand how budgeting goes... but really... 1 Million dollars in a campaign that doesn't express a view but is hate filled... How many teachers would that have helped?

Truthfully, I am not sure where I stand on 8. I don't want to deny a right, and I do think marriage should be between a man and a woman. The reason I haven't yet decided how I am going to vote on the subject is because I am thinking it over, weighing the pros and cons... not on street corners. I know gay parents who are better parents than a lot of straight parents... most of them teach tolerance and having an open mind... I do find that interesting... but as other groups or cultures in the past can tell you, that once your basic rights have been denied the last thing you want to do is pass the hate on.

It seems it is okay to bash Hispanics and gays publically... who's next?

Great lesson for our children... It makes me want to vomit.

By the way teachers... way to support your school board... aren't they the ones who had to find ways to slash your pay? Maybe if they put as much money and effort into your salaries as they did on prop 8 you wouldn't be in the situation that you are in. Regardless of where the school board stands on prop 8... I would have given a big "screw you" when they asked for my support as a teacher. Way to divert attention from the real problem... teachers not having enough money to suppor themselves while teaching our children.

Lady wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:27 AM:Voting YES on 8. Our "tax dollare" are not to be spent on just anything this Union decides to back. As I wrote on here yesterday. It was just a few months ago " The poor teachers" were losing their jobs,so WE all felt sorry for them. THIS is NOT a school matter and should NOT be thrown in OUR kids face!!! My kids are grown now BUT IF I did have school age kids. I Would keep them OUT of those classes teaching this crap!!! I am AWAKE and have MY rights too

Disgusted to Marvin wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:29 AM:Marvin... if God made man in his likeness... if God loves all his children as is preached in church... I must have missed the rest of the sentence that some zealots throw out... except gays.

Marvin, as you said, live in peace. God is a loving God... if your heart is clean, you live a good and purpose filled life, teach and share love... why in the world would ANYBODY claim that God would deny you.

Only God can judge us... can you image... you lived an amazing life in the eyes of God.... you make it up to the pearly gates... they read your resume of all the wonderful things you did at the door... you are about ready to step in... but just as you are about to enter they realize you are Gay and you are denied. Give me a break... Marvin, some people are just ...

What Right wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:31 AM:People, HELP ME. I will say up front that I support Proposition 8. But the No on 8 people continue to talk about violating their rights. What right is that? Is there a RIGHT to marry a member of the same sex? For MARVIN, you can spin the Bible any way you want. However, unless you open it and actually READ it, you won't know God's true feeling toward the abomination that is homosexuality. Christians KNOW their God by reading the Bible and by seeing His works in the real world. Knowing that the Bible takes very specific stands against Homosexuality, how do you say that you know YOUR God would never deny you "natural" (really? natural?) feelings of love toward other human beings? What are you basing that lie on?

Look, I am no homophobe and am friendly with several people that I know to be gay. Love the sinner and hate the sin. Also, I believe that gays should be, as they are, entitled to every benefit that a married couple is entitled to with respect to hospital visits, insurance policies, health care for family, etc. But guess what, your "marriages" do NOT have the legitimacy that my marriage with my female wife has...and it NEVER will.

Bless you all.

Fernando wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:31 AM:If we need to boycott schools because the teacher's union made donation to the "No on 8" campaign, should we boycott the catholic church because the Knight of Columbus made a donation to the "Yes on 8" campaign? What about stop going to those churches who support Proposition 8? At least the teachers used their own money, the churches instead ask their parishioners to make the donation. Before you vote on Proposition 8, ask yourself: "how would vote if MY marriage were at stake?"

Chubton wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:32 AM:Protect Marriage!
Vote NO on 8!

jvc wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:34 AM:What if some of these students are gay?

No on 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:57 AM:Indoctrinate our state. No on 8.

Mark wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:00 AM:That's awesome. And of course all the conservatives are screaming that this all reeks of socialism. The ignorance continues.

Nste wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:06 AM:I DONT CARE WHAT SIDE YOU CHOOSE, BUT IF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE THEN YOU SHOULD NOT BE OUT THEIR SUPPORTING EITHER SIDE. AS FOT THE PARENTS WITH SMALL CHILDREN OUT THERE YOU MAKE ME SICK. NO MATTER IF YOU VOTE YES OR NO!!!!

To Mimi wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:11 AM:... Why is this entire area so close minded. This area is not living in reality. You are a bunch of un-cultured, non-cosmopolitian brain washed droids from another planet.

By the way, teacchers can spend their money on whatever they fill apporpiate. We have the hardest job in the country educating your narrow minded children is hard enough.

another parent wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:13 AM:I am disappointed that the Californian Newspaper printed this picture along with the article "Students miss school....Prop 8 Protest." My daughter is in the picture and she did not skip school yesterday. The demonstration took place in the early evening hours....not during school hours. Although the caption states that the demonstration took place Monday evening, the fact that they printed the picture with the article is very misleading.

V wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:16 AM:The Mormon church teaches that we are sent to earth to learn to be more like God. We do this by making decisions based on good and evil. They teach that to take away ones right to make this choice is what the devil wants. That is one of the reasons they don't drink or smoke because the addiction takes away choice. Hmmmm?
So if they choose Yes on 8 then they are taking the rights away from another to make a choice.... what does this make them?

or could it be that the women in the church are afraid that if they don't get a handle on gay marriage it could open up legal polygamy again and they wont be the only wife anymore.... something to think about!

V

A RIGHT wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:33 AM:People, HELP ME. I will say up front that I support Proposition 8. But the No on 8 people continue to talk about violating their rights. What right is that? Is there a RIGHT to marry a member of the same sex? For MARVIN, you can spin the Bible any way you want. However, unless you open it and actually READ it, you won't know God's true feeling toward the abomination that is homosexuality. Christians KNOW their God by reading the Bible and by seeing His works in the real world. Knowing that the Bible takes very specific stands against Homosexuality, how do you say that you know YOUR God would never deny you "natural" (really? natural?) feelings of love toward other human beings? What are you basing that lie on?

Look, I am no homophobe and am friendly with several people that I know to be gay. Love the sinner and hate the sin. Also, I believe that gays should be, as they are, entitled to every benefit that a married couple is entitled to with respect to hospital visits, insurance policies, health care for family, etc. But guess what, your "marriages" do NOT have the legitimacy that my marriage with my female wife has...and it NEVER will.

Bless you all.

Im disgusted wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:42 AM:shame shame shame...not only are these parents teaching their kids arrogance, bigotry, and hate but they are also teaching them that education is not important...what hypocrites...they preach about not wanting certain subjects taught in schools yet their children aren't even there...i moved from encinitas less than a year ago and i already can't wait to get the hell away from this narrow-minded, overly religious-zealous town. I drove by the protests yesterday and these people were classic.

Strange to Me wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:43 AM:It seems a little odd to me that people in this day and age base their rationale thinking on a few books that were written about 2000 years ago by people who don't know anything about today's society. The religions of this world go to war over books that have no concept of modern medicine, automation, industrialization, flight (to Mars no less!), computers, the internet, etc. If you take one of the original authors of those books and plunk them down in today's society, they would think magic exists and the devil is working overtime. Think about it everyone - religion has been used over time to control the masses, to instill a sense of right and wrong, and morality. Its the adult version of the boogeyman -
'behave or you go to hell'. I don't believe in same sex marriage simply because of concept of Darwinism - not because of some biblical passage that allegedly forbids it. All of you bible thumpers - get over yourself and introduce yourself to science and the modern world. As to you Gays - keep what you do in the bedroom, in the bedroom and stop throwing it in everyone's face. We all know that Darwinism means that eventually you will become extinct.

For Disgusted to Marvin wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:45 AM:Maybe a quick course in Biblical teachings might help you out. Very briefly now: One--you don't get into heaven based upon a resume (Good Lord) of all the wonderful things you've done. The Book of Acts explains that it is FAITH alone and not works that get you into the Kingdom of God. Two: Come on, for Pete's sake, Google what the Bible has to say on Homosexuality. I didn't write it, the divinity of God penned it.

Again, we should hate no man for his sins, nor should we judge. By voting YES on Prop 8; that is not judging anyone nor is it depriving anyone of any rights. I've just finished REREADING the Constitution and nowhere does it say that men have the right to marry men and women have the right to marry women. Now, it doesn't say it's a right for men and women to marry, either, but I think the God fearing and God LOVING people who wrote the Constitution took that as a given. And, before you go there...YES..YES..slavery, blah, blah, blah. There is no reference to that, either. It says ALL men are created equal.

Look, love the sinner, hate the sin. Marvin, I love you. But, you and your friends who are in gay marriages or who try to force that on us--the freakin' MAJORITY--are in the wrong.

EM wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:46 AM:YES ON 8!!

Cant wait until next Wednesday when this is over wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:49 AM:We should not be denying people their rights. Many things in this world we all don't believe in and that's the way of life. Marriage should be between a man and a woman, but I will not deny anyone the right for whom they love and to be happy. You can voice your opinions either way, but I don't think it's right for people to bash gays. To Mimi, what makes you so high and mighty? Public schools don't teach religion and I think children have a right to know what is going on in the world and not be shelterd. Keep homeschooling and shelter your children so they grow up to be a hypocrate like yourself.

ashamed- NO ON 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:54 AM:I am ashamed of these people bringing their children into this. Let the children make their own minds up when they are old enough to vote. Perhaps you are scared they will disagree.

And when's the book burning and the witch hunt??? Let's stone people right in Old Town like the good 'ol days!

huh wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:59 AM:I thought one of the main talking points of the yes on 8 people was they didn't want their kids to learn about gay marriage in school. Yet they use their kids like this to push their political agenda, teaching them much more about it than the schools ever would have done. Way to go hypocrites. They won't be learning about it from the schools. They're learning about it from YOU.

C wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:03 AM:I have said it before and I will say it again. This is such a sad topic to focus on in these trying times. It is too bad that such attention is not paid to the real issues we are facing as an organized society. What about our local, national and global economy? Developing alternative energy for our future and keeping world piece.

Are you guys for real wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:03 AM:People,
Lets think about this logically. If homosexuals are allowed to marry, how does this affect your daily lives? Will the world come to an end? Will you be so distraught that you will not be able to work? Will your children all of a sudden turn in to homosexuals? Will your pay check be any less? Will the wars our country is fighting come to an end? Will bias, hatred and racism stop? Will we all turn into homosexuals? THE ANSWER IS NO! Last time I checked this is a free country. Land of the free home of the brave. I love America. Why don't all you people preaching hate take a close look at your own lives and try to treat everyone, regardless of race, sex, or religion, the way you would like to be treated. Oh and by the way, no where in the constitution of the united states does it say anything, and I mean anything about Marriage. So if you decide to vote yes on 8. You'd better come up with another proposition that puts marriage in the constitution.

Jesus was Inclusive. wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:11 AM:He's be ashamed at some of the things that have been done in his name. prop 8 is one of them. Don't use children as pawns in this situation.

Elizabeth Atcitty wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:34 AM:Of late I have been noticing small Yes on 8! rallies happening around the area. The signs the people carry are particularly interesting to me a teacher in a public school: Protect Parental Rights is one of them, as is Keep the Gay Agenda Out of Our Schools! Apparently, similar ideas are rearing their heads in television ads but, as I avoid television, haven’t witnessed the ads. The key issue about Prop 8, and one that seems to be sorely neglected is this: Marriage is a secular institution and needs to be treated accordingly.

It doesn’t matter whether people “approve” of homosexuality – and I place the word in quotes as approval of sexuality is an absurd concept in that it is not really up anyone to approve, in the same way that one can neither approve nor disapprove of another’s eye color – what matters is whether, in a democracy, people can create legislation based on their religious viewpoints. This country is celebrated as being a democracy, and so the distinction is clear: All people should be treated equally, which means that those who wish to marry should be allowed do to so. To forbid some and allow others is Big Government at its worst.

Of equal interest to me is the education spin. Anyone in education today knows that teachers have far other things to worry about than the so-called Gay Agenda, something I have heard mentioned many times by non-educators. Having been an educator, both in the public and private sectors in secondary and higher ed. for nearly 20 years, I have yet to bear witness to this phenomenon. Nowadays, with the maniacal focus on standardized test scores, we teachers have far more prescient things to worry about than mentioning marriage of any kind, or sexuality of any kind, in the classroom. Neither have any context. I recently saw some inflammatory propaganda in the newspaper in a Yes on 8! column. The author cited a teacher’s gay wedding attended by second grade students as some sort of diabolical precedent, and also as something that students will now be forcefully subjected to. How remarkable that this event occurred apparently both during school time and without permission slips! Apparently the author has little sense of both school policy and the fact that perhaps those attending were allowed to by their families because they thought this event might have some value for their children.

Recently while driving through Temecula I saw a No on 8! rally and my daughter was interested so we stopped and stood on the corner for a few minutes with the protesters. I like to think that teaching children to support justice is important, and my daughter, being eight, finds it puzzling that straight people can get married but gay couples cannot. She is, as her family also is, by the way, also a church attendee, and I am a straight parent who has been married for many years. What she witnessed was a group of people who supported equality and did so positively with much cheering and laughing, supportive motorists cheering and honking their horns, and some detractors who angrily screamed obscenities and made similarly obscene gestures; in response the protesters just cheered and laughed. My daughter asked why those people were being so mean and, since God loves everybody and wants good things for them, why the people in cars feel differently. She is in a good position to ask this question since she does know various gay people, including the “two mommies” who adopted a friend of hers, and knows them to be decent, responsible and caring people who surely deserve to enjoy all the benefits of marriage that the rest of the population take for granted.

If logic were the order of the day, Prop 8 wouldn’t have a chance in the world. Sadly, what gives it the energy that is maintains is the fact that, as Harvard theologian and minister Peter Gomes points out in his 1992 essay “Homophobic? Reread Your Bible,” “hatred of homosexuality [is] the last respectable prejudice of the century.” I witnessed this last night while driving past some more Yes on 8! people. Since I didn’t honk my horn, some of the children with signs shouted to me that I am stupid. My daughter, again the young moral compass, said that those kids, her “brothers and sisters,” are saying that people who hate her “gay brothers and sisters” are the ones who are at fault; but they “aren’t stupid, they’re just mean.” Enough said.

Your Kids wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:42 AM:Way to 'Protect Marriage' by bringing your children in political matters. I remember when I was a kid, the only politics I was aware of was whether or not I could debate getting out of eating green beans...
You YES ON 8 people claim to be out to protect your families and yet you stand there depriving your kids of a childhood (a REAL childhood). Kudos!

Loud wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:51 AM:I love these Yes on 8 people who think that by voting Yes all of a sudden, homosexuality is going to become this quiet whisper they won't be exposed to. Yes on 8 voters are just too cute. People are forgetting that gays can marry RIGHT NOW, this isn't a matter of "should we let gays marry" it's a matter of "can we take it away". So do it, vote Yes on 8, steal the marriages we already have. If you thought we were LOUD and all over the place before, just wait...

Yeah wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:57 AM:What an amazing sight to behold! All the of major intersections/busy streets were lined with HUNDRED'S of supporter's for Prop 8 - in support of "their wives, their children, peace, rights, religion and freedom." Way to make a stand for what is right and true. There's not much else left in this world that is valued like marriage between a man and a woman - with children supporting that cause as well!

Those who supported this cause were respectful, kind and happy as they smiled to everyone passing by. Those who are oppossed to this, behaved with such hatred and offensiveness, it's unbelievable that they call themselves the "tolerant ones." NOT!

For those who are still undecided on how to vote on Prop 8 - just look at the examples set on both sides.
"By their fruits you will know them."

HB wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:57 AM:Way to go Mormons Evanglical and all kinds of plaza churches that is the way to teach your kids.....stop being racists and bigots........equality to all.....Noooo on 8.

Scripture and Constitution wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:58 AM:one religious group should not be trying to write scripture into any constitution. I'm sorry, but all you Yes voters would be up in arms if Muslim and Jewish voters came together and tried to make pork-consumption unconstitutional. People don't stop and think that there has to be a different way of thinking when it comes to politics and when it comes to their faith. I've been on the No on 8 side of the rallies and I've stood there while fathers flipped us off with their children in the backseat, the constant barrage of the F-word(s), the spitting at us, and just on sunday (the Lords day) we had food and drinks thrown at us by YOUR children. So if what you're protecting is your husbands teaching your kids how to flip someone off, or protecting your kids' throwing arms then maybe I DON'T want to get married.

do we live in Zion wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:59 AM:No, this is Temecula, the city people come to gamble at Pechanga and get drunk in wine country. Get off your high horses.

Murrieta Mom wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:10 AM:I honestly don't understand the whole Yes on 8 movement...why spend all of this time, effort and money when it has nothing to do with you? In fact maybe if we apply their same religious logic, we should start denying marriage to every couple who has had sex before marriage and force the ones who are already married to divorce because I am pretty sure that is a sin as well? And hey while we are at it, lets go broader and check for all things that are considered sins because it is my understanding that all sin is equal in the eyes of God. If you have ever told a white lie or stolen a pack of gum as a kid no marriage for you. We can get all of the Yes on 8 supporters that "deserve marriage" based on their sinless lives and have them sit on a comittee and decide who is worthy of this great honor. The current divorce rates show how little the institute of marriage is really valued in the straight community and I am all for giving this right to a group of people who just might appreciate and value it more that the rest of us have.

No on 8 again wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:19 AM:this is so disgusting. why do people care so much what others do? why do people force religions and views down others throat? who cares what our kids learn - are you afraid they're "turn gay"? why not allow them to choose their own values? i am hetero, married, and don't really care if people who are gay are afforded what i am cuz i'm NOT gay. leave em be to be happy. grow up... seriously. sheesh.

Silly Parents wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:24 AM:1) The funds that were donated to the "No on Prop. 8" campaign were California Teacher Association funds and not school district funds. We don't have a say in how union funds are spent.

2) This is a political issue and not a school issue. Our district has not taken a position on Prop. 8, nor will we.

3) The only one who is harmed when a student is kept out of school is the student.
Not only are they deprived of classroom time, but we as a district are punished financially for something we have no control over. That will ultimately have an impact on the student.

4) There are other ways to send a message to CTA. Parents can send a letter, call or contact them through www.cta.org ( http://www.cta.org/ ).

WOW wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:30 AM:A whole 16 kids? TRUANT? Which is illegal by the way. You sure showed them!!! Maybe next time when teachers get to check that CTA box for whether or not funds should go to politics (and they DO get that choice) they'll think twice! Phew...16 whole kids...I'm beside myself.

About the Children wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:32 AM:It IS about the children...and in my house HATE is not a familiy value...NO ON PROP 8.
How many conservatives do you think will be dumb enough to vote "NO" because they think they're saying "NO" to gay marriage? Makes me giggle.

Protect Steak wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:33 AM:Steak is a sacred institution that has been around for thousands of years, and now all of a sudden it's coming under attack by the Tofu Agenda and Activist Judges. They think it's normal to grill a piece of tofu and call it "Steak."

Steak has come from cows for thousands of years because that's God's plan. Did a male tofu and a female tofu get on Noah's ark together? I didn't think so!

That's why tofu confuses children. The little girl sitting next to my eight-year-old son at the school lunch table last week told him that she was eating a tofu "steak." He told her that that tofu can't make "steak" but the teacher told him that it's NORMAL and he came home crying! That's why I kept him home from school today.

If people want to eat tofu in the privacy of their own home, that's their business, but I don't want them to push their radical tofu agenda on me and my children. It's a slippery slope. What if I want to grill a piece of my dog and call it "dog steak"? Before you know it, people are going to cut a slice out of a watermelon and call it "watermelon steak." One of my friends forwarded me an e-mail about a man in San Francisco who was fired, sued and arrested for eating traditional beef Steak!

VOTE YES ON PROP S to protect Steak!

Only 16 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:38 AM:A better story would have been the HUNDREDS of students that wore blue yesterday in protest of prop 8!!!!!!!!

No Protests wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:40 AM:At least a hundred people lines all three points of ynez and wincheester sunday for NO. I guess the opposition was in church learning how to love thy neighbor...unless they're gay.

No on 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:44 AM:I think it's great the kids were out protesting! Really. They probably learned more about civics/constitutional rights on that day than they ever will in a classroom. Fortunately we all have a right to think for ourselves and to disagree with others.
I do not believe that this will pass. Remember ALL of CA is voting, not just SoCal's own little bible belt.

P wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:47 AM:If Prop 8 "Has nothing to do with CA schools", then why did the Union spend a million bucks opposing it? Hmmmm?

NOT a Protest wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:55 AM:I have no idea why Press Enterprise titled this article as a "school protest!" What??! My kids went to school along with everyone else I know. This wasn't a protest, it was a STAND for family, rights, freedom, and traditional marriage between a man and a woman. And yes, they are taught THESE values in our homes from us - their parents...not teachers or government.

I am with the young wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:57 AM:people. How dare the schools whine they don't have any money yet their unions can spend gazillon of dollars on campaigns! Stay out of public discussion and get your behinds back to your tax paid desks and teach the children what they will need to suceed. Reading, Math, which some of the teachers should take and English.

Standing wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:55 AM:There are a lot of teachers in our school systems, who are outraged that the CTA took a huge financial stand against Prop 8.

These teachers appreciated those parents and students, who were willing to take a STAND as families - and send this message - that teaching homosexuality to children in our schools. is unacceptable.

Most good teachers, have no interest with indoctrinating our children - with special interest causes. Good teachers, teach that which will be of most benefit to our children. That, is why we send them everyday. If that is in jeopardy, for either teacher, parent or student -- it is a good thing to take a STAND.

Par wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:01 PM:YES ON 8!!

Tyler wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:02 PM:I have a few questions:

Why do people continue to operate under the assumption that marriage is the only way to procreate?

Where is any credible evidence to substantiate the notion that homosexuality is a choice?

How does gay marriage ruin the sanctity of marrige when there is at least a 50% divorece rate among straight marriages?

Lastly, how would Prop 8 not passing affect my straight marriage?

Thanks.

Huuu.... wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:07 PM:I am confused, if its all myth and magic why do they want to marry in the first place, it is a religious ceremony in the first place, is it not, so if the religous zelots have a problem, I can see why.the bible does condem your sleeping with your brother, sister, neighbors wife/husband and a person of the same sex. the state allows people to cohabitate or joine leaglly for tax and security purposes let the religous have there ceremony. and the life style zelots create there owne. simple right?

Craig wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:13 PM:to About the Children: About as many dumb liberals that will vote Yes to save gay marriage. Who's giggling now?

Fairminded wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:14 PM:First, perhaps the reason the majority of teachers are opposed to Prop 8 is that the more educated you are the more open-minded, tolerant and (dare I say the word that drives right wingers crazy even though it's root liberty is what this country was founded upon) liberal you are -- that's a proven fact.

And as far the anger that opponents of Prop 8 apparently display, it is infuriating to see families using their young children as little propaganda machines all the while teaching them the HATE and inequality that their preachers spew. The self-righteous and ignorant supporters of Prop 8 smile their false smiles because they are brain-washed into believing God is on their side. I would never purport to knowing what God thinks, but if I ventured a guess it would be equality and fairness for ALL his creatures!!!

Chuck wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:14 PM:Historically the word Marriage was created to define the union between a man and a woman, and God. In the Judeo-Christian religion this union is ordanined of God. Perhaps, this is true of other religions.

Such unions were recorded in the records of the various local Religions. Eventually, towns or communities began to record Marriages. At this point the term Marriage took on a civil component. This is when government got into the business of Marriage.

Proposition 22 passed in 2000 declared that Marriage was between a man and a worman.

At this time same sex couples could receive all of the rights and benefita of married couples by registering in civil unions. They could have ceremonies and celebrations as they desired. They could not use the term "Marriage" to define their union.

In May of 2008 the California Supreme Court decided on a 4 to 3 vote to overturn Proposition 22 and declared that same sex marriage is lawful.

Many people disagree with the California Supreme Court decision. Consequently, Prop 8.

Most of the religious community continue to believe that Marriage is a union between a man and a woman, and God. As a religious resident of the state I hope you will help restore the traditional definition of Marriage. Please vote "Yes" on 8. Same sex couples will still have all of the rights and benefits, if they registed in civil unions.

H.... wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:15 PM:Watch out protesters for Prop 8........Gays & Lesbians are coming to get you....hahahah.

Kevin wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:20 PM:The YES on 8 crowd are the biggest bunch of losers. How low of a person can you possibly be to take away someone's constitutional rights.

VOTE NO on PROP H8!

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:49 PM:Driving through the North residential areas of Murrieta today, I was surprised on the amount of "Yes on 8" Signs in front of peoples' houses. There were even quite a few homemade signs proclaiming "YES ON 8". In fact there were almost as many signs for Yes on 8, then there was for "Home Foreclosed", and "Bank Repo" signs. And that is a lot of signs.

I voted "Yes on 8" because the CTA (California Teachers Association) wasted over a million Dollars to back No on Yes.

Marco wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:53 PM:my brother is part of the mormon church, but he does not agree that they are supporting proposition 8, anyways, he told me that last time he went to church, they were forcing their members to go and hold signs supporting proposition 8, and even the children members were asked to do it. I don't think that is a right thing to do. How can they talk about family? Did they just forget what happen in Texas less than a year ago? polygamy and underage sex they can say they are a different group, but they sound mormon to me!

Adam wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:55 PM:Yes on 8!

Eve wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:55 PM:Yes on 8!

Yes on prop 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:58 PM:Tyler, you asked where is any credible evidence to substantiate the notion that homosexuality is a choice? Actually, where is the evidence to back up the claim it isn't a choice?

Anne wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:02 PM:As a happily married Mother of two and as a concern citizen of the wonderful state of California, I am very concerned that the Mormon Church decided to donate 20 million dollars to yes on 8, we have people in our country that are losing their homes and the Mormon Church decided to donate money to promote hate and discrimination in our State? That's Outrageous! California believes in treating people with dignity and respect! No more using innocent kids to get your votes! No more lies from the yes on 8 Campaign, I am so upset that the yes on 8 campaign are using lies as a scare tactic to get our votes! John McCain is doing the same by saying the Obama may be a terrorist! Shameful! As a Mother I am extremely disappointed to see all those yes on 8 signs that were donated by the Mormon Church! My family is very religious but we don't want to force our beliefs to anyone! Live and let live! Vote NO on HATE VOTE NO N HATE!

ak wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:25 PM:People complain of NO on 8 guys being loud and vile on the other side of the road. But the same people forget the hundreds of thousands of incidents against GLBT and kids with GLBT parents. If you start comparing with all the physical and mental abuses that they have to suffer with the outburst you see on the roads its just a drop in the ocean.

Jill wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:29 PM:Iam so tired of voting on something and it passing only to have the Left Wing judges decide that they don't like it so they change it. Iam not oging to call anybody names here but WAKE UP PEOPLE! In 7 days we may have the next socialist zealot running the most freest land in the world. I am voting Yes on Prop 8. I do not care if you are gay but what gets me is the fact that all the people voting no want me to be tolerant. The last time I checked GAys and the left wing are the most intolterant of them all. I don't care what you do at your house or even in public just don't try to push your crap on me. My kids go to school for an education not to be brainwashed into thinking that being gay is ok and that being a socialist is ok. The next time I hear that the schools need more money I will puke they spent all this money on this grbage instead of the kids. All I can say is those of us voting yes and for MCCain we better pull out a victory or this is going to start happening with no checks and balances.

Oscar wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:34 PM:My girlfriend is a high school teacher and finds it ridiculous that YES on 8 supporters claim that gay marriage will be taught in our schools.

IT WILL NOT be taught in out schools. Good teachers teach tolerance for all of our brothers and sisters, nothing more, nothing less.

It's protests like these that make me ashamed to live in the Temecula area. If another person can find love in the tough and not so loving world, please let them enjoy the happiness and benefits you enjoy. Vote No on 8!

Melissa wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:37 PM:That's really smart! The uneducated keeping their kids uneducated!

To Silly Craig wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:49 PM:Liberals are products of their education...Educated...not ignorant enough to let that happen. Now I am LAUGHING HYSTERICALLY...thanks I needed that:)

visiting earth wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:56 PM:Does anyone else feel like they're living on another planet? I don't understand why so many people care so deeply about who's getting married. Beam me up Scotty!

CTA wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:59 PM:Again, for those of you who can't read opposing views before spewing off your own...CTA is a teachers union, NOT PART OF TVUSD. Teachers are given the CHOICE when they JOIN the union to check off a box prohibiting funds going to political causes. I did not have that choice with my church, which is why I will not be going there any more. I cannot teach my kids to have compassion towards others and then wave a sign that says single people out and protest. I know many GOOD teachers that are saying NO to 8. Why? Because they're the ones that your gay children, yes even Mormons, are going to for compassion. They know more about your kids than you do.Some of the very kids being forced to stand next to you and protest are in agony because they in fact are gay. Based on true events people.

wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:14 PM:16 kids? Was this really worth the ink to print? The real story is that the majority of kids went to school, so that tells you something. My wife is a teacher and I cannot tell you how many gay kids, Mormon kids, confide in her. Confide that their parents don't know and make them go on these protests. Little do you know it's in your own homes and you are already killing your children with your "moral" views. To turn my back on my kid for something that is natural is criminal.

Craig wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:17 PM:to To Silly Craig: You mean educated like the Carlsbad resident who didn't know it was illegal to remove Yes on Prop 8 Signs. Glad you have a sense of humor. :-) We all need one now days.

To Jill wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:17 PM:Explain something to me: Why when it's the rich being given money it's a "bailout" but when it goes to the poor it's "Marxism"? Maybe we should get rid of public safety, schools, social security, roads, transportation, CPS,libraries,the postal system, I think I've made my point that makes to much sense, you'll probably come back with more name calling...

Zealot wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:19 PM:I'd rather have a liberal zealot than a religious one. Besides, I like tofu and would hate to stop ordering it in my egg drop soup. Terrible analogy. People should have the right to order whatever they like to eat...most sane people would agree.

Student wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:30 PM:I agree with the NO on 8, I don't ever remember being taught about marriage in school, and I don't understand why its anyone else's business who another person wants to marry. NO ONE has the right to tell you who you should or shouldn't love. And as for the Mormons and their donating to YES, that is just hypocritical. It is because that type of close mindedness that I stopped going to church. How can you preach love and tolerance and then discriminate like this. One of my friends families Mormon, and his cousin is Gay. How can you tell your kid that he can't be with the person he loves?
But then there is the schools which are in my opinion just as bad!!! Sure they aren't spending as much money but how dare they spend $1 million that they don't have. What about these budget cuts we've been hearing about? I am a college student who didn't get into State this year because of budget cuts. Cuts that haven't even been taken into effect yet. How is it that schools can't accept students, but they can spend BIG money that they "don't" have.

I am SO pissed off about the whole situation! This really shouldn't even be an issue!!

Silly Craig wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:34 PM:Whoa..got me! One whole person. Plus all NO on 8 people MUST be liberals right? Conservatives would never stand up for equal rights. We should be extra educated like to McCain supporter who shot two kids for defacing his sign. Served them right I suppose. Now I'm not laughing. That's just sad.

Calford wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:55 PM:Take your kids out of public schools, fools. Then protest property tax and cut off the flow of your blood to the tax moochers.

All men are create equal wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:58 PM:Inter-racial marriage used to be illegal in some states less then 40 years ago. People used fear and quotes from the Bible to justify the laws. I see the same rhetoric now with "Yes on 8". Regardless how you feel about gay marriage, treating people differently because of their beliefs or sex-orientation is discrimination and hateful.

United States was formed by people fleeing religious persecution. The Declaration of Independence states "That all men are created equal” lets keep it that way

chris wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:00 PM:It's sad that people who support prop 8 do so because they believe their marriages are somehow more special than a homosexuals marriage would be. My marriage to my husband has, by far, brought me more love and happiness than any other decision I've made in my life. Why would I want to deprive any other human being of that joy?

Tyler wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:07 PM:To: "Yes on prop 8"

I didn't say it was or wasn't.

I simply asked if there was any evidence to support the claims of some "Yes on Prop 8" supporters have made.

As one of my professors told us before taking an exam: Read the questions carefully before answering.

Dan wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:14 PM:So many people are shocked that the No supporters are not as pleasant as the Yes supporters. Could it be that the No supporters have everything to lose. Come November 4, whether they win or lose heterosexual people will still happily marry (or not) and still have the same rights they had before. Gay people however, see this as a very personal attack on the most important relationship in their lives - their spouses and families.

Nate wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:30 PM:IF YOU ARE A PARENT WHO HAS SUBJECTED YOUR CHILDREN TO ANY SIDE OF THIS PROPOSITION YOU ARE SICK!!!!. IF YOU ARE NOT OLD ENOUGH TO VOTE YOU SHOULD NOT PROTEST.......PERIOD

It makes me sad to see kids on the corner discussing adult topics. AS for the YES supported..are you supposed to be protecting your children?

If you are for NO, then i am sure you can agree that this issue is of adult subject matter and opens up a whole can of worms to small children

Gary wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:42 PM:The other reason I voted YES on 8 is because we already did this a few years back the people voted. What I really hate is that even though it was voted on, the Liberal Judges overturned it. What is the use of voting then?

Don't blame me I also voted for California Proposition 187, and where did that get us. Because the judges overturned that one, California is the most over-run state in the nation.

D wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:53 PM:I agree with C - I don't think people can read as they are still posting their ignorant opinions on such an idiotic issue!!! Please reread the post.

I have said it before and I will say it again. This is such a sad topic to focus on in these trying times. It is too bad that such attention is not paid to the real issues we are facing as an organized society. What about our local, national and global economy? Developing alternative energy for our future and keeping world piece.

Adam wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:55 PM:no on 8

Steve wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:56 PM:no on 8

who said wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:58 PM:The Annenberg Challenge and the Woods Fund of Chicago funded numerous controversial groups while Barack Obama served on their boards between 1995 and 2002, an analysis of their tax returns shows.

In 2001, when Obama was a part-time director of The Woods Fund of Chicago, it gave $75,000 to ACORN, the voter registration group now under investigation for voter fraud in 12 states.

The Woods Fund also gave $6,000 to the Rev. Jeremiah Wright's Trinity United Church of Christ, which Obama attended. The reason for the donation to the church is unclear -- it is simply listed as "for special purposes" in the group's IRS tax form.

It gave a further $60,000 to the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, which was founded and run by Bernardine Dohrn, the wife of domestic terrorist William Ayers and, with her husband, a former member of the 1960s radical group the Weather Underground.

Other controversial donations that year included $50,000 to the Small Schools Network -- which was founded by Ayers and run by Michael Klonsky, a friend of Ayers' and the former chairman of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), an offshoot of the 1960s radical group Students for a Democratic Society -- and $40,000 to the Arab American Action Network, which critics have accused of being anti-Semitic.

The Woods Fund did not respond to questions about the funding.

When Obama co-chaired the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which calls itself "a public-private partnership improving education for 1.5 million urban and rural public school students," it gave to some of the same groups -- partnering with ACORN to manage funding for schools and giving over $1 million to the Small Schools Network.

It also gave nearly $1 million to a group called the South Shore African Village Collaborative, whose goals, according to Annenberg's archived Web site, are "to develop more collegial relationships between teachers and principals. Professional development topics include school leadership, team building, parent and community involvement, developing thematic units, instructional strategies, strategic planning, and distance learning and teleconferencing."

But the group mentions other goals in its grant application to the Annenberg Challenge:

"Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us," one page of the application reads.

Adam and Steve wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:07 PM:no on 8;)

Who Said wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:07 PM:The so-called TEACHERS of public schools should now be called brain-washers. How come the teachers union didn't donate any money to all the other propositions up for vote Nov 4th? Because there is a liberal agenda to brain wash our children to their ideals.

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:08 PM:Let me see if I can do the math. Bear with me as I went to Public Schools.

TUSD has aprox 21,000 students.

16 of them stayed home to protest.

That means that 99.92% of the districts' students stayed in school that day to get their taxpayer funded education.

Other Interesting facts: Approximately 9.9% of the students in the District speak a language other than English. About 4.1% of the district’s student population is limited or non-English proficient. Nearly 60 separate languages and dialects comprise the home language of these students (80% being the Spanish language).

Approximately 15% of the students enrolled in the district qualify for free or reduced priced lunches.

I Agree with D wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:13 PM:With all of the serious issues going on today, why do so many people put their energy into this silly proposition.

There are about 20 million Illegal Aliens ready to call California their new home over the next few years, and more people are worried about "Bill and Bob"

At least with Bill and Bob getting married we don't have to worry about California's Population explosion!

R/ Skip

Its a choice vote yes on 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:18 PM:Yes on 8 stop the leftist Hate!

To Jill wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:36 PM:If you really believe all the positions you spout, I've got this bridge I'll sell you. It's in Alaska. Measures like prop 8 need to be checked against the Constitution before they are run up to the public. This would not, and will not pass that test.

bodecea wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:58 PM:When these kids get back, their Soc. St. teachers should show them "Eyes on the Prize" about the Civil Rights movement...and then point out that THEY are the ones in support of Segregation...THEY are the ones spitting on the minorities...THEY are the ones say "Segregation Now, Segregation Forever!"

Who Said wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:02 PM:I noticed that the Obama folks didn't bring up Palens Witch Dr Rev, the First Dudes membership in the Alaska Successionist Movement whose founder hates the Lower USA, McCains involvement in the Keating Five Scandal,,the vote fraud in which a paid Republican recruiter changed votes from Democrat to the GOP and all the rest of the questionable baggage tied to the Republicans.
That vote changer is in jail. I'm glad Obama didn't make this stuff a part of his campaign because if he wins he won't do it through fear and flat out innuendo. "He's different from us" the extreme righties spout. Considering some of these blogs, I thank God he is different.
I'm hoping the American People have learned enough about Swift Boating, Race Baiting and such. Your blog sounds like it comes right out of the extreme wing of the RNC. Say hello to Rush,and the rest of the crew for me , will you.

bodecea wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:15 PM:Do you think that those children pulled out of school will, as grownups, be as ignorant about our three branches of government as is Gary and Jill?

Someone PLEASE think about the children and their Civic Education! Don't be a Gary or Jill!

JSten wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:38 PM:How the heck did the bridge to the Ketchikan Alaska airport get into this?

I want Coronado to give their darned bridge back. And all the other freebies that California got due their pork laden ploitics.

Now about this hot dude on dude stuff...

Forced acceptance wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:38 PM:I am neither for/nor against gay marriage. It really won't affect my marriage at all. However I am tired of the in your face, whether you like it or not, behavior exhibited by many in the gay community. Using force to get people to accept one's lifestyle doesn't work. It just causes people to push back.

"Doctors sued for refusing to artificially inseminate a lesbian based on religious beliefs even though they referred her to a doctor that would."

"A Christian photographer sued for refusing to take pictures of a lesbian ceremony."

"Firefighters forced to participate in a gay pride parade against their will."

This is just the tip of the iceberg. That is why I am voting YES on 8.

Bigotry is Shameful wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:41 PM:I find it amusing to see people referring to the justices who ruled that denying gays and lesbians the right to marry goes against this state's constitution as liberal. Of the seven justices, six were appointed by Republican governors; only one was appointed by a Democrat, and all are considered moderate, not liberal! To the supporters of Prop 8, I wonder if you seriously believe this issue is going to go away should the proposition pass. Women didn't give up until they got the right to vote; blacks didn't give up the fight for civil rights; and gays will not give up until they are no longer considered second class citizens and are allowed to marry just like their next door neighbors.

JSten wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:42 PM:Whooaaah

Hold on there! A whopping 16 students represent a threat to the state of the Temecula School District's finances?

Why thats almost, lets see..plus four, carry the six, uuuuummm, that must be over .01 percent!

I wonder how many kids cut class as a regular course of business??

No wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:00 PM:ONE sin is any greater than the other. Sin is sin! Sin is defined as missing the mark for what God created us to be.

Gary wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:07 PM:I Googled "Eyes on the Prize" to see what a previous poster was babbling about and I came up with this.

The mission of EyesOnThePrize.org, a nonprofit organization, is to provide information and emotional support from the survivors' perspective to women with gynecologic cancers, their families and friends, and healthcare providers.

Now what does this have to do with Gay Marriages, Students (minors under 18) missing school, and the price of Tea in Chaina.

To Forced Acceptance wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:08 PM:Like Mormon based Boy Scouts on school campuses? Christian based clubs like "Good News" sending fliers home and signs up on campuses weekly? Telling kids in public school if they celebrate Halloween they're going to hell? My church donations going to YES on 8? Spending millions to change the Constitution and tell people who they can and cannot marry? I agree, I'm tired of being FORCED to accept other's religious beliefs.BTW if you work in the PUBLIC sector, you cannot turn people away on the basis of race, RELIGION, sex, or orientation. Work in the private sector or start turning away Christians from those services as well.

Detention wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:09 PM:As punishment for skipping class the students should be given a lecture on gay marriage.

A man wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:17 PM:shall live his mother and father and cleave to his wife, not his husband.

Equal Rights wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:36 PM:Homosexuals have equal rights. This is not about civil rights. Everybody has a right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Civil unions give gays and lesbians the same rights as marriage without the name marriage. What the no on 8 side wants is special rights. Everybody has a choice. There are restrictions in marriage. You cannot marry your mother for instance or a child. Though there are some homosexual groups like NAMBLA, who are accepted at gay pride events, that do advocate for changes in law that would allow men to marry boys. Do the right thing! Vote yes on prop 8.

MVet wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:41 PM:Don't worry dear friends. Oblama will be president soon and everything will be allright.

In the meantime just relax and have a nice drink of Kool-Aid.

The Democrats are coming.

Union wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:44 PM:There are alot of teachers who pay union dues and are for yes on prop 8. Teachers were not given a vote on this. This shouldn't be a union issue anyway. Unions are for getting higher wages and better working conditions, not working against teachers who want yes on 8. This is not democracy. Vote for freedom and what's best for children. Vote yes on prop 8.

Teacher wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:49 PM:If prop 8 is defeated same sex marriage will be taught in the school just like it is now taught in Massachusetts in elementary school. It is also taught outside the sex ed curriculum, so there is no way to opt out your child from this brainwashing. Protect marriage. Protect our children. Vote yes on prop 8.

What does the triumvirate of Obama-Pelosi-Reid offer wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:53 PM:Special protections for homosexuals will be written into all civil rights laws, and gays and lesbians in the military will be invited to come out of the closet. "Don't ask, don't tell" will be dead.

The homosexual marriages that state judges have forced California, Massachusetts and Connecticut to recognize, an Obama Congress or Obama court will require all 50 states to recognize.

A "Freedom of Choice Act" nullifying all state restrictions on abortions will be enacted. America will become the most pro-abortion nation on earth.

Affirmative action—hiring and promotions based on race, sex and sexual orientation until specified quotas are reached—will be rigorously enforced throughout the U.S. government and private sector.

Californians wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:37 PM:have already voted against Gay marriage. Why do we even have to revisit this?

BarbsKid wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:55 PM:I have to say this to: Obama-Pelosi-Reid critic.....some of us are hopeful that any and all of that group are in power for a change. THis kind of rhetoric only divides us more firmly into "us vs. them" with whatever definition of "us" you choose. I prefer to think in terms of coexistence. Coexisting with those I disagree with, and yes, that includes rightwing ultra-conservative religionist factions....back in the sixties, "The answer was BLowing in the Wind" about changes to the existing and accepted notion of racial superiority/inferiority. Perhaps our young people have seen and heard enough to make them understand that it is time for this gender biased division to end. And....as a woman who has been happily married to the same man for over twenty years....I see no rhyme or reason to presume that recognizing and honoring these same rights for my LGBT sistern and brethern has any impact on my marriage!

Truth wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:59 PM:Someone had mentioned that the mormon church "gave" everyone their signs.
CORRECTION: the site protect marriage . com is where all donations of ALL religions and faiths have donated the funds to make all of these signs available. And for those who aren't in the present date of 2008 - Mormon's no longer practice polygamy. They ended it in 1890!!!

bodecea wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:02 PM:Poor Gary has never heard of the Civil Rights movement. Please keep your kids in school! Don't let them be a Gary!

bodecea wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:04 PM:Dang, Californians,

They already voted to keep slavery and to keep the vote from women.

Why do we even have to revisit this?

KERRI wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:16 PM:Marriage is about LOVE between TWO people. Since when did it matter to anyone else what those two people do? It doesn't matter if its between a man & woman or two men or two women, it's a marriage and it's about THEM - not you. If someone is getting married because of LOVE and a LIFELONG COMMITMENT to one another, they are getting married for the right reasons. Think about it a while then Vote NO on Prop 8.

Gary wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:43 PM:Ohh Civil Rights. Yes I saw that series. It was called "Roots", by Alex Haley. I even have the series on VHS.

Gary wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:49 PM:Civil rights may refer to several different things:

Civil and political rights are a class of rights ensuring things such as the protection of peoples' physical integrity; procedural fairness in law; protection from discrimination based on gender, religion,sexual orientation, race, etc; individual freedom of belief, speech, association, and the press; and political participation.

Legal rights are rights that are bestowed by nations on those within their jurisdiction; they are sometimes also called civil rights in common law jurisdictions. Contrast with natural rights or human rights, which many scholars claim that individuals have by nature of being born.

Civil rights, in civil law jurisdictions, are rights or powers which can be exercised under civil law, which includes things such as the ability to contract. In civil law jurisdictions, lawsuits between private parties for things such as breach of contract or a tort are usually expressed in terms of infringement of a civil right.

Gary wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:53 PM:Obama on Civil Rights

One of the, I think, the tragedies of the Civil Rights movement was because the Civil Rights movement became so court-focused, uh, I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change.

SOURCE: Ney York Times 27 Oct 08

Temecula Mom wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:56 PM:How interesting that comments vowing that the "respectful" sign-waving lunatics are "supporters" of Prop 8, while the vial ones are against. Why is it that people who defend the rights of ALL citizens are portrayed as liberal whackos, disrespecful, un-american, or anti-family values? People, get your head out of the sand. Everyone has the right to live a happy life; regardless of their sexuality. If you dont' like gay marriage, don't. But you have no right to begrudge someone else. Stop saying we're "Protecting our kids".Our kids are smarter and more accepting than we are. NO ON 8.

Yes on prop 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:06 PM:If the vote goes against 8, then it's also time to stop the hatred against Moslems, who should have as many wifes as the Quaron allows. And furthermore, the stae should subdisize those marriages, and the off spring they produce, with tax dollars. Isn't it hateful to deny the Moslems their religous freedom?

Tolerance wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:10 PM:It's sad how the no on 8 side says they are for tolerance when all I have heard them say is F--- you and flash their middle fingers at us. They have vandalized my car, stolen hundreds of yes on 8 yard signs from my neighborhood, and called me many unprintable names. I guess since you have no logical argument for voting no on 8 you turn to profanity, vulgarity, and criminal act. Stop the hate and vote yes on 8.

To Murrieta Mom and No on 8 wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:24 PM:I was on the fence about Prop 8 and how it was going to affect the educational system, etc. After reading non-sense and moronic, hate filled posts on this site and many others by people like "Murrieta Mom" and MOST of the "No on 8" supporters, I think I've decided. I am filling out my absentee ballot right now and wanted to thank the above people in pleading their cases and chiming in.
YES ON 8!

To tolerance wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:31 PM:I agree with you. If prop 8 fails this is the kind of life our children will grow into. YES ON 8, marriage is between a man and a woman. My children WILL NOT BE TAUGHT in a public school about alternative lifesytles.

Rob wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:45 PM:Please vote YES on 8.

TO For Disgusted to Marvin wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:47 PM:This goes to the person who made the reference at 8:45 a.m. about the Constitution not containing anything about "slavery." Really? Better go back and read the Constitution.

In it you will find one of the many compromises called the "3/5 Compromise," which said that for every 5 slaves they would count as 3 for representational purposes. While Southern states believed that slaves were equal only to other livestock, they wanted to benefit from their population so that they would have more representatives in Congress. Northern states didn't think their numbers should count at all because they were not considered people, so the 3/5 compromise was born.

So, yes, slavery is mentioned in the Constitution.

To Who Said wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:59 PM:The reason the CTA didn't put $$ into any other propositions is because Prop 8 is the only one that would take away rights, and upholding the civil rights of students, parents, and teachers is consistent with the CTA political platform.

Thank goodness the religious zealots in San Diego and Orange counties are not representative of this state as a whole.

If you think the public school teachers are brainwashing your children, then put your kids in private school, for heaven's sake!!! If there's any brainwashing going on, trust me, it's by the parents. I know because I teach. I'm also a parent and I've raised my children to think for themselves!!!!!

To What does the triumvirate of Obama-Pelosi-Reid offer wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:10 PM:Gosh! I hope you are right! That would be great! Pro-Choice, Pro-Freedom, Anti-Racism, Sounds like the perfect America. No on 8. Yes on Obama and Democrats!

odyssey wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:21 PM:What's sad is that there are so many people in your area who think nothing about voting away the rights of a group of citizens, not to mention the legal civil marriages of over 11,500 couples.

It's the frustration of being persecuted which is leading you the nonviolent actions. What do expect to happen when you demean certain people over and over again.

I wouldn't vote to dissolve your marriage, what would you vote to dissolve mine? NO ON PROP 8!

Triumpant wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:23 PM:After next Tuesday things will be as they should again: Christians will be celebrating, homosexuals will be crying.

Your false "marriages" will be as worthless under the law as they are in the eyes of G-d or can't you READ 14 little words? Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California." Poof. Your "marriages" will be gone. The attourney general might tell you they're still valid, but the constitution says NO! Not a man and a woman? NOT valid or recognized. Period. You might have just stocked up on toilet paper for all your "marriage license" is worth. Your money will be going to the same place. I'm sure a homosexual couple will file a lawsuit the day after they lose, and that will even speed up the process because the courts can't go against the constitution! They will have to immediately declare all the "marriage" licenses invalid!

In a war between homosexuals and G-d, bet on G-d!

Cal wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:44 PM:I have to give a thanks to this region's Hispanics on Prop 8. Being very much against illegal invaders and cultural invaders - it is only fair I give credit where it is due.

I see endless parades of whites, mostly spoiled women, who have lost their minds, waving no on prop 8 signs like delusional groupies.

Then I see a Hispanic man here and there, all by themselves, proudly waving a Yes on Prop 8. These are heros in my view.

Tyler wrote on Oct 28, 2008 10:58 PM:Hate to break it to the Bible thumping Christian embarrassments, but if Prop 8 passes, it could (and should) be challenged on violating the 14th Amendment of the US Constitution.

I'd like to see some shyster go after all of the churches who are stepping into the political ring from the pulpit.

The "Yes on Prop 8" crowd are more evidence confirming that religion is nothing more than a control machine.

Rights wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:20 AM:You can tell none of you no on 8 people ever learned anything in school. When John Locke and our founding fathers talked of rights, same sex marriage (and abortion for that matter) were never considered. They never thought a group of Americans would be so twisted and confused as to promote such things. You certainly have freedom to love who you want, but marriage is only between a man and woman. You have civil unions that give you all the rights of marriage. Plus everyone has the right to marry someone of the opposite sex. Same sex marriage hurts society. Without a man in the home children are much more apt to commit crimes (this probably explains the no on 8 side stealing all the yes on 8 signs out of our yards). Without a woman in the home children tend to do more poorly in school and get pregnant more as teenagers. The government has many restrictions on marriage. Vote against same sex marriage and for prop 8.

To all the illiterates wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:57 AM:THE MOTHER OF A CHILD WHO WAS PROTESTING MONDAY SAID THAT THE STUDENTS DID NOT SKIP SCHOOL. & IF YOU READ CLEARLY UNDER THE PHOTO IT DOES MENTION "EARLY EVENING". SCHOOL GETS OUT AT 2:25. SO BEFORE EVERYONE BLABS THERE USELESS MOUTHS ABOUT SCHOOLS & SHAMEFUL PARENTS FOR NOT MAKING THEIR STUDENTS GO TO SCHOOL, READ!! READ!! READ!! I DONT KNOW WHATS WORST, PEOPLE NOT PAYING ATTENTION & CALLING THOSE PROTESTERS SHAMEFUL NAMES OR THOSE ARE VOTE NO ON PROP 8.

Do the numbers wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:10 AM:The mathematical skills of the Yes on 8 crowd astound me.

A recent radio commercial says four million voters passed the ballot initiative back in 2000. According to the US Census Bureau, the state's population that year was more than 33 million. Of that number, more than 23 million were of voting age.

A minority of four million people made a decision for the rest of us, because so many couldn't be bothered to vote.

Go cast your ballots.

But Triumpant wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:37 AM:What will you do if Prop 8 loses?
Will YOU accept the will of the people?

Straight divorsee wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:43 AM:Marriage is an issue that needs to be redefined. My opinion favors commitment between 2 consenting adults. Parenthood is the issue that needs to licensed and redefined. Marriage and parenthood are separate issues. My former spouse was and is a lousy parent.

bodecea wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:11 AM:Trium"pant",

I guess you too have missed too much school. There's a little something written very clearly in the Constitution about ex post facto laws. That means, those of us who have already gotten married can't be touched. That's right. But I appreciate your "Christian-like" gloating, even if it is totally ignorant of reality.

Polygamy wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:43 AM:As was mentioned by who posted "Truth" - there is a HUGE difference between the LDS church (Mormon's) that is run by President Thomas Monson their modern-day prophet and the FLDS Church (which WAS headed by Warren Jeffs until he was arrested for polygamy!!!) - BIIIIG DIFFERENCE!!! The LDS church stopped polygamy in 1890!!! The FLDS church STILL practices it.

So, until you research and know the facts - don't post something that's going to make you look like a moron and accuse the Mormon church that they are hypocrites - because THEY'RE NOT!

This is wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:58 AM:stupid! We have already voted on this issue once before! What I want to see is what can we do about removing 4 communist judges from California!

JimRT wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:00 AM:Now maybe you all understand why they should have legalized marijuana; this shouldn't even be an issue.

BOHICA

rick wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:05 AM:are your beliefs and the values you have taught your children so fragile that you have to fear them learning about gay marriages? Just because gay marriages will not be condoned, does this mean that gay people don't exist and that your children can somehow be sheltered from this? Also, what if gay marriages were taught in school, thereby causing students to discuss and hopefully form their own opinion? Don't we want our children to grow up being able to make their own decisions? I don't understand what the Yes on 8 supporters are so afraid will happen if their children learn that gay people exist.

bodecea wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:26 AM:To This is,

Stupid indeed....that is, people who don't understand the PURPOSE of the Judicial Branch and cannot comprehend that Judicial Review is there to protect our rights from the tyranny of the Majority. But, I guess you'd be fine if the Majority passed a law saying you could not practice your religion in CA and the Courts did nothing....because the issue had already been voted on. Right?

Sometimes I simply have to stand amazed at the IGNORANCE some people have when it comes to our form of government.

peter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:31 AM:Good job to the kids who protested. Missing school for political activity is a good lesson. Too bad their parents are teaching them how to hate. If they want to protect religious freedom, they should vote NO because a Yes vote takes away the rights of churches. What will be next? Stopping black people from being married? What if we all voted to constitutionally stop people with disabilities from having jobs? Similar arguments.

Its all good RIGHT wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:48 AM:I guess if a brother and sister or brother and brother grow up and have feelings of love that they just can't help how they feel then it is ok for them to get married? Not

Murrieta wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:04 AM:Prop YES 8 is the way to go. Man and a Women. Not 2men and 2women. Good for those kids who think Prop 8 is the way to go. YES ON PROP 8 all the way.

Imagine wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:33 AM:Imagine, there were no religions... I heard that in a song somewhere. It made me stop and think of all the religions in the world and what they teach. Each religion teaches what the power of the tribe needs to survive. More often than not, it teaches hatred of others who are different than the tribe. Throughout history this teaching of hatred has led to wars and the killing of innocents who want to do nothing more than live their lives being left alone. But religions are made to strengthen the tribe to survive and that means stopping those who do not believe in the same. The tribe begins teaching at an early age and you can see this in the schools of the Islamic extremes. The religions know that to survive they must teach students to believe only as they do. Imagine, if there were no religions.

bodecea wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:53 AM:To "It's all good, RIGHT"

You might want to check, in many Bible Belt states it IS acceptable to marry your brother or sister as long as you do not procreate (birth defects)...Of course, we all know it's good down there to keep it in the family. ;)

Gay man wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:04 AM:Yes defeating prop 8 is just the start of our agenda. We want transvestites to be teaching young children that homosexual partying is the way to go. If you have ever watched one of our wonderful parades in Hillcrest you can see what we have planned for this country.

Religion free utopia wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:20 AM:To Imagine: History tells us the deaths resulting from the Spanish Inquisition was around 100,000. There were fewer than 25 deaths from the Salem witch trials.

Imagine a religion free utopia under Joseph Stalin. 20,000,000 deaths attributed to his regime. If you don’t like that one, imagine a religion free utopia under Mao Tse-Tung—
Another 20,000,000 deaths attributed to his regime.

A religion free utopia. Yes, that’s definitely the way to go.

JB wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:26 AM:So I guess these people have no issue with the Mormon church being the major contributor to the Yes on 8 campgaign? I recall seeing something about their contribution being something like $10 million. The other question I have is how to these people explain to their children what they are supporting? Wouldn't they have to explain gay marriage which is what they are supposedly trying to avoid? Makes ya wonder!

Christian Churches wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:41 AM:It's hard for me to understand the conservative Christians when not even all of them can decide on what they feel is right. There's several churches out there who are happy and proud of their gay practitioners, and others that don't. I think the gov't should PLAY NO PART in how each church regards certain issues. Voting YES tells churches that do support ALL people that they cannot do so, and voting NO will not force churches to perform gay weddings (and frankly, what gay couple would want to get married in a church that looks down on them?). Voting yes on 8 IS religious intolerance for the many many churches that believe in equality, love, and social justice.

Annette wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:43 AM:How sad that the parents that support hate bring thier kids into hating others too.

I saw a few yes on 8 people yesterday and I felt disgusted and sad for them at the same time.

I also saw hundreds of NO on 8 supporters in Temecula which was wonderful.

Stop the hate vote NO on 8!

to TO MIMIM wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:00 AM:Hopefully you are not teaching my kids, as you yourself appear uneducated. Quote "teacchers can spend their money on whatever they fill apporpiate"
To all who state what has it got to do with you (To the Yes on 8 supporters)
It has everything to do with me. If my kids are in school I have a right to know and have a say in what they are being taught. Please don't be so naive as to think otherwise
YES ON 8 all the way !!!!

Have you read it wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:08 AM:It would appear to me that the people who are commenting and suggesting a NO on Prop 8 don't have any idea of what they are voting on. Please before you comment or vote take the time to read and understand waht you are voting for. You are claiming Yes voters are Bigots, however at least it would appear that they know what they are voting for.
YES on 8

To Truth wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:20 AM:Too bad my Mormon friends were telling me all about how they got togther as a parish to pass out signs in the community as if giving 20 million dollars when there are starving kids in the world wasn't enough...it's all about the children though.

To JB wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:36 AM:I don't think the Mormons are against their kids knowing about homosexual marriage. However, I think they would prefer to discuss that issue with their children themselves rather than have the school system do it.

Truth wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:40 AM:To To Truth: According to the NCT, both sides have spent almost the same amount. So what does that say about the "no" side? They are also "giving 20 million dollars when there are starving kids in the world".

Yes on prop 8 wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:41 AM:I want to thank "Gay man" for posting what sadly should be satire, but sadly is not. I would be fine if schools taught children basics, such as reading, geography, mathematics, and history. I’d rather students not have their time wasted learning about ANY kind of sexuality. Not Homosexuality, heterosexuality, bestiality, or self-abuse. Sexual education shouldn’t even be a issue, but as the CTA has demonstrated, the schools would rather push for social change, then real education. How about doing something about low test scores, before wasting our children’s time on subjects that should have noting to do with education? There are already plenty of groups, like NAMBLA, which are eager to teach your children about that alternate lifestyle, which so many of the “No on 8” supporters hold as sacred.

Incest wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:08 PM:Cannot be compared to homosexuality any more than somebody wanting to marry their dog. Stupis slippery slope and fear tactics!

SURPRISE wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:11 PM:Marriage or no, your kids already learn about "alternative lifestyles" as public schools cannot discriminate against ANYONE...so when the topic comes up AND IT DOES, your kids are taught to tolerate...just like they are taught to tolerate the Jesus club on campus. To each his own. NO ON 8!

I married wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:15 PM:my motorcycle today... when it is broken down can I get disability benifits for it?

To Oscar wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:25 PM:My mistake I didn't realize your girlfriend was a school teacher. Of course she knows everthing she will be asked to teach throughout her career.
YES on 8

bodecea wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:53 PM:To, "Yes on prop 8"

Congratulations on being the first I've seen bring NAMBLA into the Gay Marriage equation. You win an all expense paid vacation to beautiful Topeka, Kansas, home of the Rev. Phelps Merry Band of Baptists.

To "I Married"

I'm interesting in learning how your motorcycle gave consent. Please share.

Here We Go Again wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:30 PM:The California Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage in May 2008, ruling that the state Constitution's promise of equal protection affords gays and lesbians the same right to marry as heterosexual couples. The ruling overturned Proposition 22, passed by voters in 2000, which defined marriage as only between a man and a woman. By amending the Constitution, Proposition 8 would remove the basis for the court's ruling.

To Christian Churches wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:35 PM:Jesus is the Great equalizer, there is only God's justice, not social justice. Yes, we believe in LOVE! Love the sinner, not the sin. My concern is that 8 will not pass due to the fact people read the initiative wrong. They think that by voting yes they are voting in favor of gays right to marry. The wording is very tricky but then what is surprising about that? The enemy is all about trickery and deception.

Contributions for and against the measure have surpassed 60 Million wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:35 PM:And where is all that money coming from? Would you be surprised to learn that the biggest "No" donor is ... the California Teachers Association?

Yep. So far, the union has pledged $1.3 million to the No side. And where did that money come from? Union dues from teachers.

And half of the Teachers are Voting YES !

BradMcM wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:38 PM:Children are already being taught that same-sex marriage and traditional marriage are equal and that anyone that disagrees is a bigot. Every parent should be very concerned about this.

In my children’s grammar school in San Francisco, they are taught that they can marry either gender. Six, seven, and eight year old children play same-sex weddings in the schoolyard. Some of the kids are coming home to tell their parents that they haven’t decided whether they want to marry a boy or a girl when they grow up.

No one informed the parents that this was going to be taught. The parents had no opportunity to opt-out.

My daughter’s eighth grade history teacher taught them that the gay movement is similar to the Boston Tea Party. The Boston Tea Party was about taxation without representation. How ironic. I am a taxpayer in San Francisco. Gavin Newsom has been using my tax dollars to buy the political support of the gay community by advocating for gay marriage. Now, THAT is taxation without representation.

If Proposition 8 fails this will only get worse.

Please vote Yes on Proposition 8.

glad wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:54 PM:I am so glad I am not a Christian. It just keeps getting uglier and uglier.

bodecea wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:56 PM:What does that say about the "Yes on Segregation" teachers who can't even read their union application that allows them to opt out on political donations.


BTW...I would very much like to see the source of your "half the Teachers" comment. Please provide, unless you just made it up....if you did, you would be in good company with all the "Yes on Segregation" letters and ads that provide nothing but lies. I guess Homosexual Marriage is higher on the sin list than Bearing False Witness.

This Nation wrote on Oct 29, 2008 2:50 PM:is failing because we call good bad and bad good. There is no respect for God anymore. And we expect God to bless this country,ha! It's the other way around, America Bless God. Bless Him with your life by living His way, then He will bless this country.

Religious imagination wrote on Oct 29, 2008 2:54 PM:Religion does not mean simply the belief of Jesus. There are hundreds of religions that do not believe in Jesus. That is where the ignorance of christian religions have falacy and where they show their stupidity. The tribes whether they be the Marxist under Stalin or the communism under Mao, it is simply the faith of the tribe. Yes, they killed a lot of non-believers but probalbly not as many as the christians and muslims over the last 2000 years. When you know the age of man, you know that the tribes have had some form of religious control over their people forever. How do you deny the Mayan, Incas, Chinese or even European tribes their faiths before Jesus supposedly walked on earth. You got to be very ignorant.

Grump wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:14 PM:To "To Joan"....This issue has nothing to do with interracial marriage, and those that compare not being able to marry a person of the same sex to the civil rights movement of the sixties should be ashamed.

Notice How... wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:31 PM:These responses no longer have anything to do with the original article...which was LAME to begin with...16 kids...whoopee. FYI schools have to adopt new curriculum and textbooks APPROVED by the schoolboard. Do you really think TVUSD will allow that? PULEEEESE. Read all blogs before posting as all of this, CTA, and non-discriminatory practices are already in place in public schools-HAVE BEEN ANSWERED.

Define this... wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:40 PM:Why does everyone keep telling me what I can define, compare, what will/won't affect me?

Supporting gay marriage is like supporting racism; huh? You can't compare gay marriage with family incest/marriage; huh? Legalizing gay marriage will never affect you; huh? Teaching gay marriage would never get in the schools; huh?

Thanks for all your "help," but I'll go ahead and vote YES with the MAJORITY of Californians.

bb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:40 PM:teachers go back to class and teach our children the differance between equality and stupidity...you being the latter.
NO ON 8

Rights wrote on Oct 29, 2008 3:53 PM:I wonder how many of you have bothered to actually READ the Bill of Rights. Separation of Church and State is a huge rallying cry yet that is not what is written. The first line of the first amendment states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" A plain text reading of this says that the federal government can not create a federal church (akin to the Church of England created by the English monarchy). I find it interesting that being allowed to freely exercise ones religion was the very first thing mentioned. Seems to me that this was because being able to worship was of the utmost importance to the founding fathers. I also could not find anywhere in the Bill of Rights any mention of discrimination based on sexual orientation. I may have missed it, but the only amendments I found that guaranteed rights deal with Abolishing Slavery (13), not depriving anyone of life, liberty or property (14.1), right to vote regardless of race, color or prior servitude (15), right to vote regardless of sex (19), right to vote not limited due to failure to pay taxes (24) and right to vote at age 18+ (26). If I missed it, I would welcome being corrected. Seems to me that people assume a lot of things are constitutionally guaranteed rights that are not.

Elvin wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:01 PM:Yes on religious zealotry, dogma and extremism:

Yes on hate, yes on 8!

amy wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:01 PM:teachers should NOT be donating money to this when they are sitting around whining about how they don't get paid enough.
Me and my friends should do that. All the stupid kids at torrey pines think they're cool cuz they say "no on prop 8" But me and my friends STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT IN THIS GOD FORESAKEN WORLD!
VOTE YES!

and just to say something about all thos "no on prop 8" ads, when they say that if you vote yes it "will strip californians of their constitutional righs" THEYRE LYING! Marriage IS NOT a constitutional right and has never been. Therefore, not allowing gays to marry is NOT stripping them of ANY rights.

PROP 8 wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:10 PM:An identical proposition stating marriage is strictly between a man and a woman has already be passed in 44 of the other states. We need to side with the majority of our country and restore marriage.

Brilliant wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:29 PM:Pass Prop 8, make the illegals legal and lets have a party…. YES ON 8!!!!
What is happening to our country? Where has our moral gone? This is getting ridiculous. I don’t know how to tell to my children any more.

Slippery dope wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:31 PM:Comparing a gay marriage to a marriage of a human and a dog getting married is unbelievably stupid. And it's offensive even to a straight person like me. Is a gay person like a dog to you?

Saying that a gay marriage is like marrying a sibling or parent isn't as offensive or as stupid, but I do think they're different in three very important ways: 1) society should not formalize a relationship between two people who are likely to create a genetically deficient offspring. 2) Society has an interest in promoting stable partnerships that can raise children. A brother and sister already have a family relationship so they don't need the added benefit of a marriage anyway. 3) Allowing gay marraige would benefit 1 million to 2 million Californians. I can't imagine that more than a couple thousand people would want incestuous marriage, and they're probably all supporters of Prop 8 anyway.

P wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:35 PM:I'll ask again, if Prop 8 "has nothing to do with teaching homosexuality in schools" then why did the teacher's union spend a million bucks to oppose it?

to Glad and Religious Imagination wrote on Oct 29, 2008 4:43 PM:Jesus Christ is Lord. Christianity is a religion. They are not the same thing.

Melissa wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:12 PM:Most of you have no clue what you are talking about I saw my neighbor the other day on the YES side of the street screaming all kinds of hate words towards the gays on the other side and screaming they were going to hell. All I have to say is it's one thing to be against it but a whole other thing to NOT ALLOW people the right. I think if you don't like it then you shouldn't vote at all but dont tell someone they can't. This shouldn't even be something then can be voted out it is discrimination! We don't tell transgenders who have switched over they can't get married, just because you don't know does that make that OK but not this prop? Think about it!

To P wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:15 PM:The teachers union has a long history of opposing discrimination. There are gay students now in school. They are protecting the rights of the students against the bigotry of some religious people. Answer your question?

P . . . lease read wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:21 PM:P at 4:35 asked "again" why teachers oppose Prop 8. I'll tell P again since P can't read or didn't want to read what people wrote:

To Joan[-] wrote on Oct 27, 2008 9:44 PM:Teachers pay taxes as well so they can decide how to spend their money. CTA believes that this is a civil rights issue and their charter requires them to protect the civil rights of teachers and students.

Fairminded[-] wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:14 PM:First, perhaps the reason the majority of teachers are opposed to Prop 8 is that the more educated you are the more open-minded, tolerant and (dare I say the word that drives right wingers crazy even though it's root liberty is what this country was founded upon) liberal you are

Grump wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:41 PM:P...lease read, you forgot to add liberals are only tolerant of people who think like them, everyone else is considered racist homophobes, and that is coming from someone who is neither religious or right-wing, and "more educated" as you put it.

Grump wrote on Oct 29, 2008 5:44 PM:To "To Joan"....This issue has nothing to do with interracial marriage, and those that compare not being able to marry a person of the same sex to the civil rights movement of the sixties should be ashamed. Martin Luther King and other cival rights leaders would agree.

To Religious imagination wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:07 PM:Christians think theirs is the only religion?? Boy, that's quite an imagination!! It's easy to win an argument when you make up the opposite side of the issue.

to JC is Lord wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:14 PM:If you are not a Christian, you do not believe Jesus Christ is Lord. Why is it so hard for some religious zealouts to understand that there are hundreds of religion that do not believe Christ is someone created from a God? This is exactly why we have had bigotry and persecution of people who believe differently for 2000 years. Get over it. Leave people alone and become enlightened to reality. There are Hindus, Buddhist, Muslims, Pagans, American Indians, jew, and hundreds of other religions in mankind. Stop with this nonsense that only Jesus and the bible tell the truth. Let people be.

The Truth wrote on Oct 29, 2008 6:59 PM:Christians understand that there are hundreds of religions that do not believe Christ is God. However the Truth doesn't change just because others believe differently. Why can't you understand that?

mom i have to tell u... wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:00 PM:Sadly, many of these Yes supporters don't even know about their children's sexuality because they've driven over the years so much fear into their children. Why do I think this? I have several friends in the area who are too afraid to be seen at the No Rallies, are too afraid to speak up for themselves, heck, I even know quite a few Mormons who are just waiting to move away to no longer feel the burden their church puts on their sexuality. It pains me to read these things knowing these parents would look into their child's eyes and go "nope, you don't deserve what me and your father have". Regardless of how you feel towards the LGBT community, you've got to stop and realize these people ARE your kids, we ARE your neighbors, we ARE your family that you are trying to protect. If you really want to protect your children you would Vote No on 8 so they can grow up knowing their moms and dads are there to embrace their Dreams (regardless of who is involved in that Dream)

To Slippery Dope wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:01 PM:I agree with you...but let me put it a little differently. Comparing a gay marriage to a marriage of an interracial couple is unbelievably stupid. And it's offensive even to a person of color like me.

teacher wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:38 PM:First off please don't blame the teachers.
Teachers at my school have been talking about prop 8 and we have had to discuss gay marriage in the social studies classrooms because of all of the publicity and anger regarding prop 8, so some students are learning about gay marriage who had never known about it before.
Personally I am against prop 8 but myself and many of my colleagues are mad that our union chose to spend 1,000,000 of our dollars on this controversial issue. It doesn't help us in any way and many teachers are for prop 8 and are mad that the union is involved in this.
Our local chapter is looking into withdrawing from the CTA and just staying part of the NEA (national union) because the CTA gouges us for nearly 100 bucks a month and then think nothing of dropping a million into a controversial campaign like this.

Still NO ON 8

Families are Forever wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:41 PM:Society is built around the family. When push comes to shove they are all we have. Every child deserves a mother and a father who bring different perspectives to the table and help shape that child into a respectable member of society. Prop 8 is about families. I respect the LDS church for rallying together to fight for families. In the end, they are all we have. YES ON 8!

liberals wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:44 PM:Liberals are not openminded. They are extremely closed minded even when overwhelming facts are presented to them. Yes on 8 people are willing to continue to allow civil unions which give same sex couples all the rights of marriage, but you don't get the name marriage. Marriage is bringing two different halves together to form a whole. It is a bedrock relationship in society that brings the best of what both sexes have to offer. It is the best thing for our children. You can still do what ever you want sexually with another consenting adult. Prop 8 doesn't effect that. But there is no reason to promote an inferior relationship to the equal of the marriage of one man to one woman. Vote yes on prop 8. Do it for the good of society and our state.

To Grump wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:52 PM:Except that "your side" used the same argument for interracial marriage being "unnatural and immoral" back then. Check your history. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD P READ THE CTA POSTS!!!!!And by your logic, if this is about protecting the children from being exposed to this issue, get your kids off the picket lines and get it out of the headlines and class discussions!!!!

Yes Trickery wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:55 PM:I LOVE the post that says calling it YES on 8 is to trick the conservatives to vote against it, when the prop had to be raised by conservatives to begin with. Sweetie, and I'll say this slowly...when you but a proposition on the ballot....yes is...FOR it....no is...AGAINST. No trickery...it's your prop.

To the logical wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:58 PM:Get off the blogs. Obviously, the ignorant do not even take the time to read before they post or else they would see that their point had already been negated with facts and logic as opposed to propaganda and fear...much like the Nazis who also opposed homosexuality. Go spend time with your kids, teaching them REAL family values like compassion to all, and leaving judgment to GOD like the Bible says. Pray tonight for the intolerant that disguise hate in the name of religion and patriotism. Amen.

Christianity wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:10 PM:is not a religion, it's a relationship with a real person, Jesus Christ. Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it's not true.

Confused wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:24 PM:My wife and I were out knocking on doors when we met a man who became very angry with us when we told him we were for yes on 8. He said he was for same sex marriage and used the F word several times. We walked away and did not raise our voices or argue with him. As we went to the next door, he came out and ordered us not to knock on any more doors in his neighborhood. When I replied that "I will make that decision", he replied "Are you some sort of Fa---- (slur for homosexual). We just laughed at each other and it made us understand how profane and confused people are on the side of no on 8. Also how freedom of speech hating they are. Vote for prop 8. Don't be confused by the lies and propaganda of the no side.

Every Child Deserves a Chance To Learn wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:28 PM:What Impact Do Budget Cuts Have on California's Schools and Students?

An entire webpage devoted to the fact that there is no money for Schools, Teachers, and Students, and then the CTA Blows 1.3 Million Dollars on No on 8.

It did not work, as our children attend private schools and we all voted YES.

By the way at least half of the teachers voted YES. Where was their representation?

NO LONGER FENCE SETTING wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:39 PM:My neighbor and I have been discussing this issue for a while. We were unsure of how to vote as our moral issues and our tolerance issues are at odds. However, after waking up and seeing all the YES on 8 signs torn up in my neighborhood this morning, I have lost my tolerance for individuals who would trespass on someones property and vandalize anything. If this is the mentality of the individuals who oppose this proposition, then I am off the fence. YES ON 8!

Whats A Measley 1.3 MILLION wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:44 PM:Budget deal takes $3 billion from schools and causes future shortfalls.

The Assembly and Senate have passed a shameful state budget that fails to invest in the future of our students. The governor has signed this disastrous budget, which will hurt public schools, colleges, health care, working families and communities for years.

To bb wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:46 PM:Wow, your post made no sense. I think you are calling teachers stupid, but then, what do I know. I'm just a stupid teacher who supports prop 8. Yes, Yes, Yes

Free speech wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:01 PM:"Get off the blogs" Wow you are really tolerant, I mean ignorant. You don't believe in facts or free speech. Exactly what I said, that the no on 8 side is all about force, not freedom because they can't win the argument with facts or logic. Vote yes on 8. I think I will give your boss a call tomorrow because I don't think the readers are supposed to be cutting off posts from the yes on 8 side and writing on the blogs themselves.

Teacher wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:23 PM:To the Public: I am a teacher. I was upset to learn that CTA was endorsing No on 8 ads. They never told me. They never asked my opinion. They just blurted "California Teachers urge no on 8." I feel bad that CTA wasted so much money on a political proposition... which had absolutely nothing to do with teachers, teaching, school, or kids. Couldn't that money have been better spent, like raising awareness of the additional budget cut? Now, that will hurt education. CTA could have offered some grants for classroom equipment. No wonder the public hates us.

John L wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:41 PM:Imagine no religion, it's easy if you try. No hell below us, above us only sky...

Right way wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:48 PM:Where's the right reverend Jim Jones when you need him? He could just crank up the old "cool aid" machine, give us a sip, and we'd have a (final) solution we could all learn to live with... Jim, are you there???

Larry wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:20 PM:HOLD POLITICIANS ACCOUNTABLE........MAKE IT EASIER TO VOTE THEM OUT OF OFFICE!

VOTE YES ON PROPOSITION 11

A YES vote on this measure means: Boundaries for State Senate, Assembly, and Board of Equalization districts would be drawn by a new commission made up of California registered voters. Boundaries for U.S. House of Representatives districts would continue to be drawn by the Legislature.

A NO vote on this measure means: Boundaries for State Senate, Assembly, Board of Equalization, and U.S. House of Representatives districts would continue to be drawn by the Legislature.

Some of the groups supporting it are: Common Cause, AARP, Los Angeles Chamber, League of Women Voters, ACLU of Southern California, California Police Chiefs Association, among many others.

Prominent officials include Governor Schwarzenegger, Former Controller Steve Westly, Former Governor Gray Davis, Former Congressman Leon Panetta, Former Senate Republican Leader Jim Brulte, Former Speaker Robert Hertzberg, Davis' Assemblywoman Lois Wolk, among a number of others.

And the editorial boards of many of California's biggest newspapers: Los Angeles Times, San facisco Chronicle, San Jose Mercury News, San Diego Union Tribune, Orange County Register, Fresno Bee, and the Stockton Record, again among others. Again you have liberal editorial boards and conservative ones.

disgruntled Teacher wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:16 PM:The CTA Pretty much does what it likes. It does not worry about its' actions, and if they piss people off, then so what. After all they always have those slick commercials, and people have such short memories. Especially when it comes to the children and no child left alone. So if the CTA wants to support homosexual marrieage then that is their business, get off their back!

No on prop 11 wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:22 AM:With the ACLU, Davis, Swartzenegger,and especially the L.A. Times endorsing prop 11, I have been given a big reason to vote no. California is over taxed, and I think a huge reason to redistrict is to insure that future tax increases can't be stopped. If you wish to pay more in Taxes, then 11 is the way to go.

Teacher to Teacher wrote on Oct 30, 2008 3:17 AM:You should have checked the box when you joined the union opting out of political ads. Contact your rep in the morning to opt out of further ads. Like many students who say," I didn't know" when shirking responsibility...you should have known...you signed it. Please also consider another profession if you are unwilling to stand up for ALL students and families in this time of discrimination.There is always private school. We should be more disgusted at the 20 million spent by the Mormon church that could have gone to feeding and clothing the poor in these trying times.

To Christianity wrote on Oct 30, 2008 3:21 AM:"Just because you don't beleve in something, doesn't mean it's not true." HALLELUJAH! Just because you don't believe in gay marraige, doesn't make it not true for those who do. Now take away this discriminatory proposition. The constitution protects YOUR right to believe what YOU want, let others have the same right without a double standard.

Whoever wrote on Oct 30, 2008 6:51 AM:cries the loudest has the dirtiest diapers.

To To P wrote on Oct 30, 2008 7:40 AM:How do you know there are gays in the schools? Are the teachers talking about homosexuality or maybe even teaching or condoning it? Back to square one.
To "P....lease read" I skim the responses to keep from barfing so I must have missed some of the lame excuses.
As for being "More tolerant, open minded and liberal", you must have gone to a brainwashing University. Your professors must have failed you when it came to Writing 101 because what the heck does "To P....lease read" mean? Did you mean "At least read?"

To P wrote on Oct 30, 2008 8:46 AM:1) The funds that were donated to the "No on Prop. 8" campaign were California Teacher Association funds and not school district funds. We don't have a say in how union funds are spent.
Teachers however DO have the right when they join to not have dues go to political purposes.
2) This is a political issue and not a school issue. Our district has not taken a position on Prop. 8, nor will we.

3) The only one who is harmed when a student is kept out of school is the student.
Not only are they deprived of classroom time, but we as a district are punished financially for something we have no control over. That will ultimately have an impact on the student.

4) There are other ways to send a message to CTA. Parents can send a letter, call or contact them through ... Public schools ALREADY have a policy that they may not discriminate on the basis of race, RELIGION, sex, or sexual orientation. So yes, in the classroom a teacher is obligated to defend derogatory comments about gays, just as much about Christians. Can't have it both ways people.

I like wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:11 AM:I like how people pretend to be teachers and put ignorant posts that give them away when they can't spell:)Look at me, I'm a liberal CTA teacher ready to brainwash yur kids and turn them GAY by Tuesday...HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!Hilarious!Plus, kids weren't talking about this in schools until Prop8. Good job promoting the cause! It's like when the church boycotted "The Last Temptation of Christ"...made millions! Keep it coming, you're doing the work for us.

P wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:13 AM:Gee, I think it was a clever way of combining you "P" with the word please, hence P..lease. Duh. But since you didn't go to brainwashing university I guess you never learned to read...just "skim".

P wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:44 AM:If teachers are obligated to defend gays when derogatory statements are made against them, I wonder why no one defended my kid when he was called, "white boy", "cracker", etc. Double standard?

Goes both ways wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:49 AM:To judge ALL people based on the act of a few, well we know that's stereotyping. I had YES on 8 people walk into my garage one day and become very irrate when I said I would be voting no...they continued to harass and label me, even said I was gay myself. I had to say, "Excuse me. Did I walk into YOUR house and push my views on YOU? No. Please leave my property." It goes both ways.

My NO wrote on Oct 30, 2008 9:52 AM:My NO on prop 8 poster was ripped from my car window and my car vanadilzed.At least the 8 signs just got moved. Hypocrits!

Follow The Unions wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:23 AM:If you were to believe the unions all teacher's make $30,000 a year... when actually in this state the average salary is $59,000. I'm just overall stunned how far CTA has pulled the bag over CA citizens heads with regards to education funding... and for some reason the citizens still eat it up every time.

What Was The Name Of This Story wrote on Oct 30, 2008 11:27 AM:250 Blog Comments Later ........

Oh Yeah

.0002 % of Temecula Students miss school in Prop. 8 protest

Syl wrote on Oct 30, 2008 12:13 PM:This story does not mention High School, but rather School District. All students under the age of 18 are children regardless. There are about 21,000 students in the Temecula School System.

Shame on the parents of these children for letting them get involved with this issue.

P wrote on Oct 30, 2008 2:18 PM:Ohhhh! P...lease! I get it! Sorry, I was learned at a public skool!

YES wrote on Oct 31, 2008 1:54 PM:YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES ON 8!

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:19 PM:I guess the Sign Thieves never made it to Murrieta.

Last night I went out trick or treating with my children and I counted dozens of houses with YES on 8 signs.

My neighborhood must be an anomaly as I also counted more McCain signs then Oblama.

Oh and not one sign for No on yes.

Where wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:43 PM:are you going to spend eternity?

TeacherMother wrote on Nov 2, 2008 3:07 PM:First of all, when I signed a contract to be a teacher, I never signed away my rights as an active member of this democratic United States of America. Also, teacher's unions have advocated for civil rights and freedom for all throughout the history of their inception. They were one of the first unions to desegregate in the south and it is only natural for the union to also advocate for the rights of all as it relates to the interpretation of our constitution today. Teachers always become the advocates for children and parents on a large scale. I'm sick of the lack of professional respect tax payers give teachers. Maybe you should start telling EMT's how to do their job when they can't save a life, or tell a nurse how to do her/his job when she/he has so many people to take care of she/he has to prioritize who is seen first. Please start volunteering in your child's class so you can teach them since it seems teachers are little more than glorified baby-sitters who need to learn how to keep their mouths shut! People that carry on this way make me severely disappointed and sickened by the state of our democracy.

Yes on prop 8 wrote on Nov 2, 2008 5:30 PM:Teacher/mother,ou make a powerful argument to pull our children from public school, and put them in private school. As long as teachers instruct children in more then academics, and instruct them in "Lifestyle choices", you undermine a parents constitutional right in to determine what values to teach their children.

lazyj wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:49 AM:I'm SO glad I don't live in Murrieta/Temecula anymore. Too many hypocrites and one-track minded thinkers.