ALl three officer did thier duty wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:45 PM:Good job!

This guy had it coming wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:48 PM:Who the heck does this! He released his dog on the police dog! He is seen by neighbors discharging a gun prior to arrivalof police and then he tries to take the polcie officers gun as they try to defend themselves fromthe advancing Kwokand attcking Pit bull! this is a slam dunk! End of story! These officer had no other option as this apparent mental case was no going to follow commands

how could wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:50 PM:the suspect grab an officers gun if they're so highly trained to keep their gun safe? for him to grab the gun he had to be in touch with the officer, and as far as i know that is considered a treat and he would've got his weapon out before the suspect could reach for it, hope this guy recovers..

Sounds like a clean shoot wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:51 PM:Seems pretty simple! Cops come to thier job! Bad guy makes it worst for himself and the rest of the neighborhood. Thank you Oceanside Police Officer for willing tostep into harms way for all of us!

Samantha wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:51 PM:It's days like this I'm thankful that our heroes weren't hurt. Especially my friend, Officer Trabelsi and his Police Dog. I don't know what I'd do if I lost you.

Good job Officer ONeil wrote on Oct 27, 2008 7:54 PM:You stayed with your partner and protected him. Not to mention the community at large! All three officers are heroes!

poor dog wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:18 PM:I hope he rests in peace, now he's dead and his owner is injured, if the cops wanted to take him down they could've shot his knee or a paw and it still takes the dog down and doesn’t put his life at risk or they could've used their little favorite weapon the Taser !!! Personally I don't think this shooting was not necessary because for what I read the dog did NOT have a weapon pointing at the cop's face, and the dog was the instrument of the man.

safety first wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:26 PM:The first rule for all police and fire officers : At he end of the shift, everyone goes home alive.

Ahhh wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:53 PM:All in a day's work!

jvc wrote on Oct 27, 2008 10:54 PM:To ask this DA to investigate this is like asking a sausage maker to investigate the diet of pigs!

Wondering wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:06 PM:If Kwok was grabbing at Trabelsi's gun, and Trabelsi shouted to the other officer that Kwok had his gun, Why does it say that officer O'Neill shot at Kwok cause he was continuing to advance and grabbing at Trabelsi's gun, doesn't make sense. Did Kwok have his personal weapon or did he actually get Trabelsi's gun, and what where the dogs and the other cop doing the whole time this was going on cause it says that the other officer didn't really do anything untill after Kwok was shot, and the dog didn't get shot untill after all this happen

THIS STORY wrote on Oct 27, 2008 11:18 PM:DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, REALLY READ THE STORY. How does Kwok get that close to Trabelsi in the first place then actually get ahold of the gun, O'Neill shoots Kwok and Trabelsi fire's his gun (AT WHAT) Willms taiser's Kwok and gets him to the ground after he has been shot and then Trabelsi shoots the dog cause it's charging at the officers, i'm not getting any of this at all

Referee wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:07 AM:Let it be known to all that bringing a dog to a gun fight is NOT the most intelligent thing to do.

Bosco wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:16 AM:Sounds like the officers on scene handled a bad situation the best way they could given the circumstances they were in. Officers left the scene safe and the suspect went to the hospital. Word to the wise; don't charge towards a police officer and try to take his gun away from him. That kind of action will most likely result in a deadly force reaction from the police. Just play it safe out there folks, do what you are told, don't let you pitbull attack a police dog and don't physically engage a police officer and try to take his gun. That's just not a very smart thing to do to police officers.....

Vistian wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:36 AM:simple solution- do what the officer tells you to do, WHEN he/she tells you. If you want to complain about it later there are plenty of avenues to do that. Simple enough! The fact that someone might think your a great person 5 minutes ago or 5 minutes from now means nothing. It's how you act right now that matters.

Thats a wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:52 AM:Real nice story OPD just stick to it, and hope that the truth never comes out. I have heard about some bs storys concocted to fit and fill the reports but this one takes the cake. OH just one question the story reads as follows "Trabelsi fired his gun while Willms deployed his Taser" why is one cop using deadly force and the other using non leathel ? Just does not sound right.

stupid dog wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:00 AM:Attacked a highly trained police dog. I'm glad they shot the dog... and i'm an animal lover, but i know pit bulls are only as mean as you raise them. It's the owners fault. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be saying what you're saying if it attacked your best friend (dog) that has saved your life before. You have to look at it from a Policeman's view. That dog is by his side everyday. He relies on his dog. Sorry, but that pit had it coming.

Here we go again wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:57 AM:I bet JVC complained about the DA in the off-duty San Diego cop shooting before the facts came out, DA did good job on that one and will do a good job on this one. And to 'Poor Dog" you have to be kidding" they could've shot his knee or a paw ", get a clue you sound ignorant. To "how could" Cops don't know someone is going for thier gun until they get close, apparently their training paid off, bad guy looses, try and take a cops gun you get shot, no problem with that. Since these witness statements came from cops and neighbor witnesses, maybe all the anti cop comments and cop haters can shut thier mouths since they weren't there.

Things happen fast wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:14 AM:Don't try to read too much into written statement as to the sequence of events. If you read origial acounts the gun shots were all pretty quick. Kwok ran into the house got his dog, went after the officers, very little time to react, officers gave commands, Kwok didn't comply and tried to take officers gun, he didn't actually get it away from the officer. Kwok is shot. End of story, Police win, the way it should be.

To Poor Dog wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:23 AM:The OPD is hiring. You can get a job and then pet the nice doggies trying to attack you.

To Thats a wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:26 AM:Apparently you missed the part about other witnesses at the scene, that would mean neighbors if you are too slow to realize that. If you would look past your cop hating nose you would see that. Police can't win with you and all the other anti-police, this whole thing happened within seconds, that is why a taser was deployed at the same time, but when someone is trying to take a police officers gun, all bets are off. There is only one and I mean only one reason someone is trying to take a gun, that is to kill the police officer. I suppose your next comment would be the officers should have waited to see if Kwok would let go before shooting him. There is nothing anyone could ever say, even the facts, that would make police haters happy. GOOD JOB OPD.

To how could.... wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:33 AM:many, many officer's are killed each year by a suspect who grabs their gun. This is soemthing that is actually taught by gangs in prisons.

I would suggest you hold off on posting a stupid comment like that. It shows not only the ignorance the public has about what an officer goes through, but it also is a heartless, senseless comment. Our law enforcement does an outstanding job in what they do and have to go through each and every day. They put up with a part of society that people wish didn't exist, but whos going to do this job? You? I didn't think so. Do your part by not posting such a stupid comment.

to poor dog wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:36 AM:are you for freakin real? Cops shoot to kill not mame. It is their life against the bad guy. The bad guy starts the problems, but the cops should just lay back and shoot a knee? OMG, the cops did the right thing. Cops went home, dog dead because it ATTACKED and bad guy in hospital.... sounds like a good night for OPD. They went home safe

Not amused wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:41 AM:Yes you haters are right. The guy came out and complied with all orders. He never grabbed at a gun nor did he attack an officer. The cops decided to murder him and his dog, because they were bored and had nothing better to do. They then huddled up and got their story together. Then they briefed the neighborhood witnesses as well. This happens all the time because we all know that cops are trigger happy cowboys as one blogger put it. Gee when we invent force fields and ray guns that will change everything, but until then we better have lawyer type ride alongs....yeah that's it. No wait, like haters, they would rather hide and tell everyone what they should have done.

Gene wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:58 AM:STATMENT DOES NOT NAKE SENSE... Statment reads.....

At that point, Trabelsi and O'Neill pulled their weapons, he added.

Kwok grabbed at Trabelsi's gun, prompting the officer to shout that Kwok had his gun, Poorman said....

To Here we go again wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:29 AM:Amen, Brother! I love it when people arm chair supervise and criticize police officers. An Arm Chair Expert! ha! These Officers did what they were supposed to do.

FTM wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:46 AM:Okay - I think this all makes sense now.

The guy charged a cop with a gun! The FIRST thing they teach you about gun handling is that if a person charges you when you have a gun they have only one thing in mind: to get your gun!

If a guy pulled a gun on you and you decided you were going to get the gun from the guy instead of just standing there with your hands up - you would CHARGE the guy!

That is WHY a person CHARGES someone with a gun! TO GET THE GUN!! DUH!!

I don't think anyone is too dumb to not understand this.

So, guy charges cop with gun THE COP DID NOT EVEN SHOOT THE GUY!! That just prooves my point that OPD is NOT trigger happy! So - this guy goes for the officer with a gun, do you wait till he gets the gun before you shoot him?? NO NO NO! YOU SHOOT THEY GUY BEFORE HE ARMS HIMSELF or how many people do you let him kill first????

OPD did the right thing and this all makes sense now.

Now, for the DOG:
The POLICE DOG EVEN SHOWED RESTRAINT! The stupid pit bull attack the police dog! If a pit bull attacked MY dog I WOULD SHOOT THE PIT BULL!

I was feeling sorry for the pit bull but now that I find out the police dog suffered puncture wounds I say SCREW THE PIT BULL!

MAN, did the media get this one ALL WRONG! The news media has really done a diservice to our city.

The bad guys in this story are the news media.

Gene wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:11 AM:Somebody needs to get their story straight because it does not make sense. We need to hear both sides of the story.

Jake wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:22 AM:To Poor Dog....I am a dog lover, almost to the level of embarassment. But did you just say they should have "shot him in the paw or knee" BAAHHAHAHAHHAHHAHA HAHAHAHAH BABABBABAHAHAHAHAHAAH ok ok...lemme catch my breath. Lemme tell you something Daniel Boone...if you & Annie Oakley want to whip out your six-shooters and aim for the 'varmints paw'...I'll pay $1.00 for admission to see that! Are you freakin kidding me? What a freakin idiot...

Objective Reasoning wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:43 AM:While my opinion is that some of you watch too much CSI; many of you are missing the point. The point is that with domestic troubles - Law Enforcement is a mediator. Only when engaged with threat are the Officers allowed to protect themselves which is a catch 22. They are trained to enforce the law yet must show restraint until their life is jeopardized; sounds pretty hard to me. My point is that when emotions run wild, you do not have time to think about a lot

Sad... wrote on Oct 28, 2008 9:59 AM:I went to school with Greg in the early 70's and all through high school. He was a nice guy and had a lot of friends. It makes you wonder through the years what could have happened to him. I will pray that you pull through this Greg.

Mr. Kwok is 100 responsible for Patches death wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:16 PM:... I feel sorry mostly for the innocent dog that was killed by his own owners reckless actions. Pitbulls in general are very people friendly dogs. Kwok`s dog could have been a Belgian Shepherd Malinois & the same thing would have happened. This man should never be allowed to own a dog over 10 lbs ever again. ...

RIP Patches wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:22 PM:Is he related to former pro surfer Danny Kwok ?

Peter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 12:35 PM:I hope Kwok survives. Too bad about his dog, which according to some neighbors was actually quite friendly. I generally think OPD does a great job, and I appreciate that they have a tough job, but in light of the history of visits to this residence the police story starts to look weak. The cop worshipers can call me all the names they want, but the rest of us who look objectively can only wonder about the veracity of the police story. Three officers and a police dog, one unarmed man outside of his residence and their tactics allow him to close on them such that he might have been trying to grab one of their firearms. It sounds to me like more training time is spent on how to get their stories straight than tactics. Of course, they don’t have to worry about the DA, she’ll find the shooting justified.

grj wrote on Oct 28, 2008 1:23 PM:I lived in oceanside by beach for 7 years, there were tattooed punks with pit bulls wandering all over the place and I don't care what anyone says these dogs should be banned, they were on the loose and scared me @ the beach and walking by my apt. minding my own business. I hope this angry young man goes to jail for a long time. Police do a great job.

Pit Bull dog are ghetto dogs wrote on Oct 28, 2008 2:51 PM:Please people!

Re grj wrote on Oct 28, 2008 3:10 PM:Should German Shepherds,Dobermans,Australian Cattle dogs, Mastiffs,Labradors & numerous other large breed dogs that can be trained to be vicious, should they all be banned ? Think before you speak next time

FTM wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:41 PM:It's good that most of the angst here is over the dog. I too am sad that patches was shot, but he should not have bitten a police dog.

Anyway, Greg the victim did not die so he will recover, and he will get the chance to sue if he has a case and get rich.

Maybe Greg will get another dog.

For the most part, I think OPD did about as well as can be expected here. Greg obviously tried for the officers gun (probably while it was still in the holster?) or if that were not true one of the neighbors would have spoken up by now, so we can be pretty sure that part is true. So the police did what all you police haters always say for them to do whenever police KILL someone: "Can't they just wound the guy? Why do they have to kill the guy?" Well, okay Police Haters - you got your way - they wounded Greg and greg will get his day in court, so everyone should be satisfied.

I too am very sorry for Patches, but the police were only protecting thier own police dog. They had to make a choice. I don't think there is any argument that can be made there.

To Pit Bull dog.... wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:42 PM:are ghetto dogs. Please people!

Get real. People make these dog mean. It is very sad that patches had to die and that Greg is in critical condition. It's to bad that the situation did not turn out differently.
p.s. I own an 85 pd pit that I rescued from the County of San Diego Human Society. If these dogs are so bad the County should think twice before having them adopted out. If you go to the pound TODAY you will see for the most part that more half the dogs up for adoption are pits. If they are so vicious then I would think the city and or state would do something about it.

grj wrote on Oct 28, 2008 4:56 PM:re: grj last time I checked it was a free post and I had multiple occasions to witness disregard for peoples safety in hand of pit bulls in o-side.My cat was attached by 2 baby pitbulls and it cost me $500 in vet bills.Funny how countless trouble causing people can have these awful dogs and yet people say they are friendly. Get a grip.Long live freedom of opinion.

To Peter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 5:26 PM:Im not going to call you any names, but how can you say you are one to look at this objectively. Did you look objectively why the police were there. Numerous calls of neighbors hearing gunshots. What do you think they thought when Kwok came out of the house with the pit bull.They were there to protect someones life, they ordered Kwok to stop. I think they showed great restraint and waited for the last second to react, you aren't very objective on this one. Objectivity means take everything into consideration from begining to end.

Re grj wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:00 PM:Its not the breed that is awfull it is the owner. I have two 65 pound pits & a staffordshire bull terrier they would never attack a human unless we were being attacked. If pitbulls were banned the bad guys would find another breed. That was unfortunate about your cat but you should have kept a leash on it or kept it in doors. If a cat gets killed by a dog the dog owner is not responsible by law.

Skeptic wrote on Oct 28, 2008 6:58 PM:As a sworn officer you don’t get to pick which people you protect and serve and often there is still a measure of protection that must be afforded even to those acting in a manner dangerous to themselves or others. Command voice and barking orders may be appropriate in some instances. However, with three officers responding and multiple visits to this residence over the last year, I’d say yelling at Kwok served to escalate the situation more than aiding the officers in getting control of the situation. I would think that at least one of the officers might have even been known to Kwok or his family, which should have meant a different approach, might have prevented the shooting. The comments on here that since Kwok has not been a model citizen he deserved to be shot exemplify a very dangerous mindset, one that gives carte blanche to officers to open fire. If Kwok was grabbing an officer’s gun has the gun and holster been checked for his prints?

Peter wrote on Oct 28, 2008 7:00 PM:To To Peter, what was I thinking, of course, you must be right, nothing to see here, best for me to just move along and not ask questions.

NEVER MIND wrote on Oct 28, 2008 8:21 PM:Someone actually wrote that in the previous story, at 6:36 using the same words in a comment at 12:06 just changing the words of man to dog SORRY!!!
http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008/10/26/news/coastal/oceanside/z35dda72d1d158406882574ee00689117.txt

jvc wrote on Oct 28, 2008 11:02 PM:All I said about officer White's shooting of Silva is that she was not given Due Process because the investigation took too long and she was not charged in a "speedy" manner as is
her constitutional right! As a consequence all indictments against her are null and void!

To Peter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:16 AM:you sound so much like a cop hater. DO you know how many officer's are killed by their own weapon? Did you know that is why the cops in England do not carry a gun? Cops having to get their story straight huh? Did you know that all the persons involved are separated during debrifing? Sounds like you don't know a whole lot, which is why your comments are so out of line.

Support you law enforcement!!

Larry wrote on Oct 29, 2008 7:51 AM:As a former police officer I have taught other officers that if a person tries to grab your gun or puts his hand on it to pull it out of the holster, treat it as an attempt to kill the officer and use whatever force is necessary to stop the attack. Three officers at an hostile incident may see three different threats, hence one shooting a gun, one shooting a taser and one not doing anything. Its easy for the readers here to monday morning quarterback this incident, in a perfect world everyone obeys police officer commands, but unfortunately we don't live in one. As police officers we are paid to make split second decisions that take police administrators, district attorneys, and our courts many weeks to come up with a better one.

Osider wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:01 AM:Ok everybody go back to work....lol

esteban wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:45 AM:Peter, you say you look at it objectively? HA! You had your mind made up before the last paragraph! You are just another know it all Monda morning QB, with no real life experience. Back to Nintendo for you!!

Peter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 8:48 AM:Of the 57 officers feloniously killed in 2007, two were killed with their own weapons. Where most police in the UK doing routine patrol may not be armed, their special units are and in recent years some patrol officers have even been armed because of the threat. That aside, the tradition of the unarmed English patrol officers predates the modern handgun so not being armed as a means of not being shot with your own weapon is not the basis for them being unarmed. Separate debriefings may be policy, but who is doing the debriefing, their own department, and considering the kid gloves with which they treated Officer White when he shot Silva and her son I think some doubt is realistic. I support law enforcement, and most good officers don’t have a problem with these questions being raised, they would rather not have a trigger happy officer backing them up.

esteban wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:06 AM:Right Peter, most cops do not want a trigger happy partner. There were no trigger happy cops here pal.

Jim in Oceanside wrote on Oct 29, 2008 9:15 AM:I will never understand how someone, who wasn't there, after reading a newspaper article written by someone who wasn't there can come up with such negative firm statements regarding what happened. Given that the reporter did interview neighbors/witnesses and members of Law Enforcement before writing the article, coming up with what the best know about the incident. I don't care if you are innocent or guilty, if the cop is right or wrong, when a person wearing a badge, carrying a gun tells you to lay down, spread eagle. Common sense says, DO IT! Give the Cop a chance to sort things out, gain control of the situation making it safe for EVERYONE. Don't run at the COP, don't try to grab the Cop's Gun. In my book that classifies as terminal stupid, heavy on the terminal. This man is very fortunate the cop wasn't a better shot. Cops do not aim to wound, that is against the rules and used to be they could be suspended for only wounding. They are trained so that if they are FORCED to shoot, it's shoot to kill. If you don't like it, then move to some place like England where the Cops do not carry side arms all the time. Oh, they do have them at the station where they may be issued if needed when dealing with an armed criminal.

Larry is right wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:04 AM:Each officers sees things differently as domost people. Each one will responsetowhat they see and don't see. So there you have it!

Peter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 10:56 AM:I am grateful for the job most police officers do, especially OPD, but I know that no group is perfect. The worship of the estebans serves neither the community nor the good officers who earn respect everyday by how they conduct themselves in and out of uniform.

Angela wrote on Oct 29, 2008 11:29 AM:Myself and Chipotle [my chihuaua] on a morning walk, attacked 500 feet from my front by a NICE PITBULL I wish OPD had been there before the attack. The officers are doing a job that most of society can not do. We need law and order. Pit Bulls are deadly, I say shoot first and then send their victims hopefully to the hospital instead of the Mourge.

Peter wrote on Oct 29, 2008 12:07 PM:Let’s see, as an officer responding to the given situation would I expect the person causing the problem to act with common sense, or irrationally? That part of the officer thought process seems to be lacking, they need to be acting, not reacting. In this case, as reported, there doesn’t seem to be solid basis for the events to have escalated to a shooting. Kwok may have needed to be subdued and restrained, but I believe the response of the officer that shot is questionable. Of course, OPD will fall back on the ongoing investigation refrain, and not tell the public they serve anything.

TO COP HATERS wrote on Oct 29, 2008 1:38 PM:Do a ride along and wear your Depends.
Go cops. Keep us safe and keep you safe.

UK Cops wrote on Oct 31, 2008 10:56 AM:Interesting comments about UK policing and guns. For starters, they have a different kind of gun control policy over there: You can't have one! The threat of being shot is significantly less because 98% of the population, (including crooks) doesn't have access to firearms. It's not like in the movies where they have guns in the UK. Try to find a gun store! The only weapons are rifles,used for hunting, in the boonies. Also, the society there is much different. While there will always be a segment of anarchist and police haters, more people there comply without question the simple commands of police.