MURRIETA: Purple pipes to keep grass green

Murrieta moves toward watering another city park with recycled water

By NELSY RODRIGUEZ - Staff Writer | Saturday, November 1, 2008 7:06 PM PDT

MURRIETA ---- When it comes to water use, the city is increasingly going purple.

The City Council agreed recently to enter into an agreement with Rancho California Water District to hook the irrigation system at Copper Canyon Park on Via Alisol to the purple pipes that convey recycled water from the district's water treatment plant in Murrieta.

"Every drop counts nowadays," said Andrew Webster, an engineer with the water district. "The more recycled water we use, the less water we have to import from either Northern California or the Colorado River."

Copper Canyon Park is the third park in the city to be converted to recycled water, including Monte Vista Park and Palomar Park, said Parks and Maintenance Superintendent Bob Kast.

Following the connection of Copper Canyon Park, Kast said he will move on to getting Town Square Park, and all the green landscaping around City Hall, the Murrieta Public Library, senior center and the Police Department on recycled-water irrigation.

Kast said he is also looking at which other parks and green spaces can be connected to the purple recycling pipes, including parks along Jackson Avenue and Nutmeg street, where Rancho California pipes have already been laid.

The city does not need to lay any pipe, just connect to the pipes that are already underground.

"Watering grass is a pretty good science," Kast said. "It's more than just turning the water on."

By using recycled water, the city stands to save money. Right now, the city spends $1.8 million a year for irrigation water, Kast said.

Recycled water costs about $130 less than drinking water per acre-foot. Rather than pay $347.98 per acre-foot of water, the city would instead pay $215.63 for an acre-foot of recycled water, a city staff report states.

If recycled water were used throughout the city, the city could stand to shave about $680,000 per year off its irrigation budget.

While the recycled water that Murrieta will use for irrigation is not suitable for humans or animals to drink, the water can be used to fertilize lawns and plants because it contains higher levels of nitrogen and phosphorus than does drinking water, a report produced by a city management analyst states.

But Southwest County residents are far from being able to tap into recycled pipes to water their front lawns, Webster said, because of strict federal regulations on its use.

Still, Kast said, it will surely work for park grass.

"It works great for the landscape because we get free fertilizer from it," Kast said.

Contact staff writer Nelsy Rodriguez at (951) 676-4315, Ext. 2626, or nrodriguez@californian.com.

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Murrieta Mom wrote on Nov 2, 2008 6:02 AM:Two days before our election and Murrieta headline is Purple Pipes.The fix is in,thank you for controlling the news not reporting it NCT.

the rest of the news wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:14 AM:Purple pipes are the most important thing to talk out loud about for sure, but lets whisper for a minute about the fact that the police and fire union personnel who get paid by the people of Murrieta are about to get their financial security blankets warmed up by the election of two of the candidates they have endorsed. Purple pipes are more important, but lets also note that our city employees and local political bedfellows will be brown-nosing it up with the same newly elected council members at our expense at our City Hall on Tuesday night. What a waste of our tax dollars, when it goes to those who spend so much time, money and effort buttering up our elected officials. Using treated wastewater in our public parks may make up for some of the financial waste, so bring on the purple pipes.

Thank you.... wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:32 AM:....Californian for the article. Water is a regional issue. With the current drought, we will soon be limited to the amount we use. This article shows that Murrieta is doing something about it.

For those who can't wait to throw stones, spare me. This is my opinion on the article written. I am not running for council. I just wanted to comment on, what I feel, is a positive step forward for our city. It's a shmae I have to even make this statement.

Oh Brother wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:49 AM:I don't understand why the purple pipes weren't installed when the park was initially planned to begin with. What, we didn't know a few years ago that water might be a dwindling commodity in the future? Oh that's right!!! This is the same city that allowed zillions of houses to go in without nary a thought about electricity needs, water depletion or roads to accomaodate those houses and NOW they want to be patted on the back? Give me a break!!!

re Oh Brother wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:07 AM:Read the entire article. There are strict federal regulations on the use of reclaimed water. It can't be used everywhere.

Why does Murrieta have so many naysayers?

just a naysayer wrote on Nov 2, 2008 11:41 AM:Purple pipes anywhere near our parks means our kids get to play in the dank wetness of recycled sewage. Since we all know the safety standards will never be fudged or neglected at any time, we don't have a worry in the world. I dedicate this post to the recycled and constantly regurgitated garbage we constantly see from 10:07, who loves to put down anyone who does not snivel and cuddle at taxpayer funded parties with elected officials and power brokers. Just keep on pumping your recycled sewage into our community, 10:07, and maybe you and your loved ones will one day literally, not just figuratively, turn green.

Another Naysayer wrote on Nov 2, 2008 12:21 PM:The lack of water will control our growth in California. Purple pipes are just what the developers want. If they save water they can build more homes. Don't be fooled by the purple pipes. This idea came from developers and is being paid for by developers. More purple pipes = more development.

To just a naysayer wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:12 PM:Keep the purple pipes flowing. It is a scare tactic to think you will get sick from playing on the ground watered by recycled water.

Go to Vegas, they live on reclaimed water. In fact, their population has increased by hundreds of thousands and they REDUCED water consumption.

changing realities wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:25 PM:Who says parks have to be blanketed in water consuming grass? With grass used sparingly for grass-necessary areas (ie, ball field playing areas) a truly professional landscaper (no, not some ivory tower botantist) can select magnificent semi-arid climate flora which is now available from around the world that would make for wonderful parks. Reclaimed water is best used in areas not heavily walked or played upon by children, and there are plenty of such areas such as bush covered perimeters, commercial landscape enhancements, everyday street medians, and the linings of various other kinds of traffic thoroughfares.

Oh my goodness wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:35 PM:Yes, Vegas is a great example to follow for anything, isn't it? Our city gvmt party animals who go for their yearly wingdings drink very little water there, from what I've heard. So, we can't blame the water when they bring back, again and again, fuzzy headed ideas and empty promises for commercial development in Murrieta.

Changing Realities is LOST wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:43 PM:>>>climate flora which is now available from around the world that would make for wonderful parks.<<

This is the LAST thing that should be done. Introducing foreign plants is never good. Its obvious green is not your thing.

Preserve the Plants wrote on Nov 2, 2008 2:31 PM:Importing plants from around the world is the WORST thing you can do.

get over your fear wrote on Nov 2, 2008 2:38 PM:1:43 - Worry warting from ivory towerdom about them thar plant ferigners, eh? You goofy over-theorizing environmentistas get all tangled up in your own twisted neural pathways. Get over your phobias, pal. One world. One people. One big happy family of plants, too. Too much for you to handle? Keep your fear mongering prejudices confined to that area you shiver in while hunkered down under your security blanket. Afraid of foreign plants! Jumpin jacarandas. Get over it. They're coming to America. Deal with it.

Green vs. Brown wrote on Nov 2, 2008 2:43 PM:We live in a desert. This may be a surprise to some. The fact is, we are only GREEN because of the imported water we use to water our lawns and plants. This water is diminishing and we will soon have to ration. So, unless we want to look like the BROWN desert, we must find ways to keep our plants GREEN. PURPLE pipes is a great alternative.

Good job Murrieta! Many other cities will soon follow, or be forced to become a BROWN city.

GO PURPLE = GREEN City

dont freak out wrote on Nov 2, 2008 3:04 PM:Purple pipes, green pipes, stick it all in your own pipes and smoke it. That's what you enviro-wackos are obviously doing. Change is in the air these days. Political change is just the start. We should not fear change, including environmental change. Just think, if grains and other foods were not transferred from continent to continent at the time of the early explorers, the population centers of the world would now have ten times the amount of starvation they are already facing. You enviro-terrorists are basically wanting to abort progress. But you're good at that, aren't you?

Im no scientist.... wrote on Nov 2, 2008 4:27 PM:....or an "enviro-wacko," but I do alot of boating throughout the state. Every reservoir I have been to has water levels well below 50% of what it should be for the year. Whether you are an "enviro-wacko" or a developer that would build on your mothers grave, the drought is real.

Using reclaimed water for landscaping is a great idea!

Conserve the Purple wrote on Nov 2, 2008 5:02 PM:Learn the difference between an environmentalist and a conservationist. When you do, you will have a much better understanding of peoples points.

I know, lets turn our heads from Vegas. Increasing population with a decrease in water consumption. Who ever could have thought it could be so???

Conserve the Park wrote on Nov 2, 2008 5:56 PM:Why even have parks?

Save water and let them go back to nature.

to no scientist wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:02 PM:Oh but you are. An Einstein indeed! And if you've been doing any kind of boating other than sailing, you are a selfish petro polluter and plunderer of the earth for your own selfish titillation. The fact that you noticed the waters are down in a cycle of low precipitation is enough alone to prove your perceptive skills. I am wowed. But why be so downright mentally nasty as to even imagine anyone building on their mother's grave? That, you wacko blogging sideshow of an immesurable degree of instability, was an inherently sick thought.

thank you wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:43 PM:Thank you 5:56. A good idea. Much better than having our children's playgrounds become substitutes for recycled sewage effluent, "reclaimed" - hopefully - to the degree that any gamble with the lives of the little ones does not turn into tragedy.

It Should be Obvious wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:57 PM:Recycled sewage water is fine for low-or-no human contact vegitation, such as strictly ornamental landscaping in commercial projects, rights-of-way, or other such places where kids will not be routinely rolling around.

The only exception should be for home gardening by governmental officials who promote the idea of letting kids play in the stuff.

No Im really not... wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:17 PM:...a scientist or an "Einstein. You on the other hand, are obviously ill informed and disgruntled. You seem offended by me statement. Allow me to explain. I compete as a amatuer kayaker and enjoy fishing. My spring and summers are spent traveling. I am not a "selfish petro polluter and plunderer of the earth for your own selfish titillation." My comment on developers was used as an analogy of two extremes. In fact, the original statement came from a developer. He was making fun of himself, stating "I would build on my mothers grave." I didn't take him literally." Again, I never meant for this to be taken literally, only as an analogy of two extremes. Sorry if I offended you!

Conserve the Water wrote on Nov 2, 2008 9:24 PM:If everyone learned how to conserve water, this would not be an issue.

Since we live in a desert and like to have green lawns at every house, it is an issue.

Key is conserve.

to No wrote on Nov 2, 2008 10:47 PM:So, paddle boater and killer of wildlife as a blood sport (oh, excuse me, you do it for food, no?); you first toss out an unattributed base phrase about a "mother's grave" before then backpaddling, trying to use some sort of quotational alchemy to put a shine on your verbal defecation. "An analogy", indeed. You offend only the blog with your dull witted efforts. Remind us, please: What is your position on the purple pipes issue? How about purple kayaks? Would you paddle around in recycled sewage? Would you fish in it?

to nine seventeen wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:48 AM:How does your entry help us discuss the purple pipes issue?
If you're going to quote someone ('a developer') then don't wait until the next entry to explain that it was a quote, and that you were trying to be facetious.
You are wasting everyone's time when you start using your entries to explain away your previous entries. And, please, calling people names (even in a 'grown up' fashion) like 'ill informed' and 'disgruntled' do nothing but invite similar nipping and biting. We don't need emotional displays when considering important matters.

Im Offended Too wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:10 AM:Lemme get this straight? Somebody tells us he/she spends his life playing on California's fresh water lakes wants us to water our children's parks with treated sewer water. AND WHY? So the levels on his/her fresh water lake playgrounds don't go down any more! THAT STINKS!

Please explain wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:38 AM:This string came alive over the weekend, didn't it? Interesting and important arguments. One thing I don't get is the writer who trys to put "environmentalists" and "conservationists" in two different camps. Please explain? As someone who has watched the evolution of thought on earth related matters since the early seventies, I would like to be enlightened. In any humanly populated society, those two words are not only related, but are of directly interrelated concern in the same living and breathing social organism. The reclaimed water matter, which is a very worthy subject for discussion, is a prime example of both words (conservation and environmentalism) becoming inseperable. It is a fatal mistake to think otherwise. Not only that, but when you start complicating the reclaimed water matter with playgrounds and parks, the complexity of the subject rapidly expands.

Whats good for the Goose wrote on Nov 3, 2008 8:48 AM:Soiled water runs deep. The state and county have forced Murrieta into a position of extraordinarily high requirements for future low and very-low income housing. If the state/county are mandating such burdens for Murrieta, then our elected officials in the City should be working like hell to be sure the bullying bureaucratic big boys to take on the responsibility for getting fresh, clean water into Murrieta. Let's face it, our elected officials at all levels should be responsible for making the mandates livable if they are going to saddle us with extreme housing requirement burdens.

To Please Explain wrote on Nov 3, 2008 10:41 AM:Look up conservation movement on wikipedia.

Second paragraph, differing from environmentalism.

Read some more and you will see things have changed from the 70's.

Naysayers wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:22 AM:Yup, I see Murrieta is full of naysayers alright.

So many paranoid wackos saying "nay" to the concept of putting recycled sewage every day on the grass where their tiny tots play. Those naysayers need to start looking at recycled sewage in a different way.

The guy or gal at 10:41 has it right. We need to conserve water and say 'screw it all' to the environment. Conservation and environment are two different things.

Say "Yay" to recycled sewage on playgrounds. If there's ever a time when the recycling treatment happened to go wrong, and a few kids die from infectious diseases after rolling around in the wet grass, it just means those kids were wimps.

Righteous wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:40 AM:So we dont want to use reclaimed water and at the same time do not want to conserve.

Aren't we just a righteous group!

to way too Righteous wrote on Nov 3, 2008 12:44 PM:No, you misstating extremist. Most people here have said they don't want re-cycled sewer water in the same spots where kids play. You have a prob with that? And some say yes conserve by making parks more natural with drought tolerant plantings where ever possible. Some other good ideas have been mentioned too, but could it be you are only interested in what the city officials are spooning out? Why think when you can go party on election nite, or in the recycled sewage of Las Vegas? Yeah. Got ya pegged.

Too much naysaying wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:11 PM:11:40, why are you always a naysayer to everyone who has concerns that you don't happen to care about? Can't someone be concerned about the health of children without you sarcastically calling them "righteous"?

Preserves wrote on Nov 3, 2008 2:53 PM:Actually, Vegas has you pegged. Please explain for us all how Las Vegas can use recycled water, have a HUGE increase in population and reduce water consumption.

If using recycled water is so bad and dirty, why is it used? who do we not hear about breakouts of kids getting sick?

Game, set, match

See you tomorrow

to way too and Preserves wrote on Nov 3, 2008 3:45 PM:I'm sorry, 1244 and 253, but both of your attitudes toward one another, and toward our community's issues, are childish.

When all you do is snipe at one another with insults, and act like you have won some kind of a sports game, you simply waste everyone else's time.

I, for one, appreciate all of those who have in this string brought up ideas that reflect both concern and constructive suggestions when it comes to the unlikely but all too possible risks associated with human error in turning toxic sewage into pure water.

The Las Vegas story is slightly interesting at first blush, but in my book everything about Las Vegas is a big gamble. That's the way they live there. But gambling is not what we do with our children. Not here.

We are all too familiar with stories of the best of sensitive technical systems going very wrong, and none of us want our kids in harm's way. Thanks again to those who have made concerned, serious, thoughtful entries in this string.

Cautiously Optimistic wrote on Nov 3, 2008 4:24 PM:I love how many people are using the word "naysayer" now. That's quite funny. Why is it that most golf courses already use recycled water, and you don't hear about sickness spreading like wildfire? Maybe we can start a discussion on grey water, and see how many complaints we get about that idea too. For every idea, there's gonna be naysayers, as consistent as the sun rising each day.

why wrote on Nov 3, 2008 5:06 PM:I read this blog, and people worrying about school age kids and, one person oddly making fun of that kind of concern and holding forth the example of Sin City as though it were a cross to follow. What has happened to this world? Has everything sacred been turned on its head? Some people lose their payroll in the land of moral decay, and some just lose their common sense. Sewer water? In our PARKS? On the grass where our play? Oh yeah. Just go sit at the foot of the Sphinx at Luxor, and drink of the fountain of wisdom.

dear CoOpt wrote on Nov 3, 2008 6:29 PM:What the heck is a comparison between a golf course, which is hardly touched by human flesh, with a grassy park where kids roll around? You are willing to take the chance with my kids and my neighbor's grandkids? We all know of sewage spills into the ocean from supposedly controlled systems. We've all heard of people getting sick from those spills, and that's in a vast and actively moving fluid environment that rapidly dispurses the toxins. What you want to do with other people's children is make them your chips to lay on the table for your bet that someone at the treatment plant does not fall asleep at the switch and send bacterial filth into the lungs and onto the skin of our little ones.

Preserve it All wrote on Nov 3, 2008 7:53 PM:So if its as bad as all you say it is, why are kids across the country not getting sick?

Why are there not huge out breaks?

think about it wrote on Nov 3, 2008 11:35 PM:Relatively few areas thus far of risky exposure of children to treated sewage. In areas where it does exist a program of early awareness of the dangers leads to higher levels of attentiveness to sewage cleansing quality control. This will change. Statistically difficult to quantify and identifiy isolated cases of immunocompromised victims becoming ill who could have been exposed to pathogens in other unlikely but unexplained ways. A huge campaign of promotional propaganda by those who would profit in one way or another by spreading treated sewage water into public parks and playgrounds. A massive tragedy waiting to happen, the danger downplayed mainly by not only profiteers but by those who just happen to not have children who would be exposed to the treated sewage. The big question you need to ask is this: Who among you is it that is so eager and willing to gamble with your children's lives?

1135pm wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:33 AM:Reduced water costs, so the tax payer wins. Which means YOU WIN.

This practice is done NATION wide. Work with those statistics. Then you would say there is too much data rather than too little data.

Dont let the kids out of the house, they may trip over the hose and hurt themselves.

identify yourself wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 AM:It would be so interesting to see 7:33 in person to see if he/she has toddlers who play in local parks. Who is it that would roll the dice with our kid's lives? Of course, as 7:33 says, the cost of our water would be cheaper. So, if someone were to ever fall asleep at the sewer plant switch and sent toxins onto our playgrounds, we might lose a few kids but we'd be saving a few bucks. Only those without small fry of their own, and without empathy for those who do, would be finding that acceptable.

Wear Pads wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 AM:To better protect ourselves, new laws will come into affect.

Everyone must now wear helmets (in case we trip and fall), must wear shoulder pads (in case we run into poles), must wear eye protection (in case we poke each other), must wear knee pads (in case we trip and fall while playing tag).

And finally, if all above does not work, we must all stay inside the bubble at home because the world is just too dangerous.

Change the Laws wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:33 AM:If you do not like recycled water being used in parks, FIGHT TO GET THE RULES/LAWS CHANGED.

If you don', well, you are no better than the seagull.

Spell check wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:45 AM:...does not find all words that are used incorrectly, only those that are misspelled. But 9:32, you just keep on trying. Your efforts are noted.
Now, how about using your typing finger energy for something other than trying to ridicule people who care about their children? Volunteer for a worthy cause. Put in some time at a local care center, just visiting with someone who needs personal contact. You will find that the world is a beautiful place for those who care more about others, and less about saving a few tax dollars by watering the playgrounds with processed sewage.

Pull the Alarm wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:34 PM:Wow, all this talk, and still, nothing to back up your thoughts.

Still, no one getting sick.

Pull the fire alarm now, there has got to be a fire somewhere.....

Spell Check Vegas wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:52 PM:Vegas has decreased their water consumption while having huge increases in their population.

Why can't this area do that? What a shame that we turn our heads away from such successful programs.

child gambler wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:00 PM:You, who would gamble with the health of other people's children, have yet to tell us if you have small children who would be rolling around in the grass of playgrounds that had been soaked in reclaimed sewage water. Or is that just something you wish on other people's children?

Show Us wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:30 PM:Please present us all to see, mass breakouts due to kids rolling around on poop layed fields.

Please, we are waiting to hear from you.

thinking about all this wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:48 AM:I just read this group of comments. Well, I don't know. I can see both sides. But yes I have an opinion.

I suppose my decision came down to the fact that I'm an old geezer who has been driving since I was fourteen years old. What does that have to do with it? Well, I've never had a traffic accident. Not bragging. I know most people my age have had an accident by my age. I've seen accidents where somebody "fell asleep at the wheel" as someone said above. Or they just for a second stopped paying attention. People make mistakes. Machines make "mistakes" too I guess you could say.

Some things (and people) are just waiting for their first accident. When it comes to driving, we all have no choice but to take the chance every time we drive. But this sewer water matter is a heck of a lot different. When it comes to something as big a deal as possibly infecting a whole park or schoolyard full of children, I don't think saving a couple tax dollars is any kind of risk/reward tradeoff.

I vote "no" on sewer water being put on public parks and around where children play. Everyone else is entitled to their own opinion.

Hey Old Geezer wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 PM:You're pretty smart for an "old geezer". I don't even want my dog playing in a park where the water originally came from a toilet bowl. That's why I keep the lid down at home, too, because Bonkers (not his real name) doesn't have the good sense to keep from drinking out of it. Being we're people and not Bonkers, I hope we can have the good sense to keep the former toilet water out of the area of our ball fields and around swing sets.

Preserve the Purple wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:30 PM:Reclaimed water has been in use for a very long time. Far from a new practice. Yet, you act like this is something that has never been done before.

You would think you would be able to come up with your proof of kids falling ill.

We'll be waiting.

to preserve the risk wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:47 PM:This is the geezer again. I've been driving for a helluva lot longer than they've been using weird colored waste water pipes for anything. But you know what, I'll tell you, the longer I drive the more insurance I've been buying.

Somebudy up above was asking if you have kids or grandbabies that you'd be sending to play in those waste water wetted play grounds. You say you're waiting. Well...?

I'm thinking that maybe if this thing you say has been done so long, then maybe its an accident overdue.

What exactly is your stake in this matter? Other people are just thinking about their kids. Well one guy mentioned his dog too. But what is your deal in pushing to get this to happen? You a contractor? A city employee trying to cheapen up things to make up for government waste? Just some property owner who wants to see their tax bill go down a couple bucks?

We're waiting.

Wow wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:50 PM:Some of you guys are really piling on the poor guy who likes sewer water. Are you PO'd or what? Careful or you might really get him down in the dumps.

Preserve the Water wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:16 PM:When it comes to there being no water left, remember, you caused it.

Sure is funny how you continue to go with you hunch and not with facts. Too bad, you might actually become educated on the subject.

Preserve the Water wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:21 PM:Its too bad you ignore the facts, you might actually learn something.

When you are forced to not water your flowers or your lawn, remember back to this.

to Preserve wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:29 PM:Thanks for the scare tactic. But, like the Geeser said at 1:47, we're all waiting for your answer to what was asked in that 1:47 post.

Oh no wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:26 PM:Too bad you can only fight the facts with on proven hunches.

Show us the Facts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:49 PM:Please provide us for all to see, where people have become sick because of recycled water.

TIA, we'll be waiting.

When there is no water left, look to your green lawn for the answer.

LOL to naysayer wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM:Nay nay nay says the sewer water lover. Can't hurt nobody. Started drinking it when I was a kid he says. Before they even started treating it. Didn't hurt my brain he says. In fact I can't get enough of the stuff. Why you guys who hate my addiction have to keep making me the butt of your jokes I just can't understand. Woah. I just used two three syllable words. Just did it again! Maybe my brain is getting better. Have to stop writing now. Time for another sip from the purple straw.

Purple Piper wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM:Wasn't there an old nursery story about the "Purple Piper", or something like that? Didn't he end up leading the children of the village to their destruction?

Sing along to tune of the old song, "...Follow me, I'm the Purple Piper. Follow me, try it you'll like it. Let's spray it in the park."

Facts wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:00 AM:Aren't stories great?

For every scenario, there's a store.

But I like the lack of facts you show up with.

opinion wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:19 PM:As a reader who looked in on this discussion with no preformed opinion, I now have an opinion.
I have children. The thought that came to my mind was about a neighbor who had a dog that had never bitten anyone. It looked and acted like the nicest dog in the world. One day, in the presence of everyone, for no reason anyone could see, that dog bit my son's face.
I don't care if these so-called treated water systems have not yet caused a single illness or fatality. My common sense tells me it makes no sense to water schoolyards, playing fields, or the common areas of picnic areas with "water" that could, because of a simple human error, suddenly be dangerous.
That is common sense. That is my opinion.

Stop the Cars wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:37 PM:Make sure your kids always leave the house with head gear on. That is common sense.

By the way, don't drive any more.

oh Stop wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:12 PM:No, 12:37, your post is not common sense. It is more of your baloney in support of something that could unnecessarily risk a whole city full of young lives for no reason other than your own personal agenda, which you will not reveal.
Yes to reclaimed sewer water in areas not made for young children. No to reclaimed sewer water in areas where children roll around in the grass.
If you can't see this, then your private motives are more imporant to you than the health of other peoples children.
Everyone in this string has, I'm sure, by now made up their minds one way or another on this issue. From the comments I have read, I think it's obvious where most people stand. I suggest we now all move on.

Stop the Kids wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:13 PM:My agenda is I want water for the future. Using recycled water allows that.

With everyone demanding green lawns for their home, we need to do everything possible. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Now that you commented, its now time to move on? Somebody voted themselves in early for den mother.

Smokem wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:30 PM:You must really hate smokers!

me too wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:34 PM:Well its been interesting. But I think most of us want to get our minds out of the sewer now. I'm not going to make the gambling man mad by telling him what my personal decision is but I agree it's time to move along to other subjects. See you all later I hope in other strings where even a guy with a really bad idea has better scents. PHAAAAAA! So long now.

ten four wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:46 PM:thank you everyone. it's been interesting.

Moving On wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:03 PM:Hey, as a local blog reader I want to say this was a very, very good string and I want to hand it to the Californian for providing one of the best forums in the Temecula/Murrieta area for letting people discuss these kind of topics, obviously without undue political or other editorial censorship.

Remember the Green wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:19 PM:When your precious green lawn starts to brown, remember back to this.

A couple of days later, and the naysayers have no facts to back themselves up. You would think after so many years of recycled water being used, they would have volumes of info!

good one wrote on Nov 7, 2008 1:14 PM:this string has been a good read.

in summary, take the chance of getting a brown lawn (if the water stops - unproven so far) or a green kid (if toxic waste spills in the park - unproven so far).

brown lawns. green kids. mutually exclusive possibilities, even if neither problem is here yet.

im like 'remember the green'. i have no kids to worry about. i do have a lawn.

Conserve Later wrote on Nov 7, 2008 4:47 PM:Lets all think about how to conserve water when there is none left.

What a GREAT IDEA!!!

doing my part wrote on Nov 9, 2008 5:50 PM:Sometimes solutions are just too obvious. Sava a gallon a flush. Skip the sewer plant middle man. Find a bush at the park, and do your duty, if that's where it's going to end up anyway.

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