Ace wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:32 AM:This post goes out to DD Wiz.

I want to comment on an exchange you had yesterday with Bill about Obamas tax plan. I dont post often but his tax plan will effect me as I earn a far greater income than what Obama defines as rich. I employ 430 blue collar workers in San Diego and also 45 management positions. This is the only issue I will respond to. Im responding because you claimed to quote tax experts who say that Obamas plan will help the middle class.

Your first mistake was listening to a tax man instead of an entrepreneur.

Should Obamas plan pass, Im moving my plant to Tijuana and laying off 430 workers who average $44,000.00 per year.

The reasons are simple too.

You see, by automating and moving my plant south, I avoid all types of expenses AND increase my productivity. This fattens my profit margin to make up for what Obama plans to steal from me. No payroll taxes, an average salary of $75 per week on each employee, fewer employees due to automation, no union demands, no strikes, no prevailing wages forced on me, etc. I employ union labor and have been squeezed by union demands that I have, in the past paid for out of increased productivity. However, Obamas plan would kill that. Right now, I must invest 84 cents to get back a dollar. Thats a 16% net margin. By moving my plant, I will increase my margin to about 43% net. This allows me to invest the same amount of money but instead of making .16 on each dollar, I will net .43 cents. By investing what I do now, I will make up Obamas tax increases. Obama will make my margin too thin for my liking so Im going to take action to counter it. Somehow, I doubt that the bean counters you cite mentioned the behavioral modificfation brought on by adjusting the tax rate on me. When all is said and done, I will not be effected one way but 430 San Diegans will lose their jobs.

There are fatal flaws in your naive thinking.

Liberals are assuming that I wont do anything about it and youre wrong. In fact, theres nothing you can do to stop me. I like the down ecomomy so Im not hurt. I bottom feed on stocks sold by panicking novice investors and am buying apartment buildings too.

Im not hurt at all.

Had Obamas ideas had any legitimcay, Karl Marx would have succeeded and he didnt.

The only way to counter such a move is to leave things alone as I am not moving due to a weak economy. Right now, I am selling to a thriving export market brought on by the weak dollar worldwide.

No ma'am I am forced to do it if Obama gets his way.

Im not giving up my wealth to amyone.

His "incentives" for me staying here in America pale compared to what I will get by moving to TJ. Oh sure, you liberals will chastise me even more than you do unaware of the fact that you voted for it. You will do that no matter what since yoju see the worlkd as "unfair" so you remedy it with more unfairness. Then you will call me greedy and all that stuff but when the dust settles, there will be 430 San Diegans out of work.

I wont be effected in any way.

The reasons that I do it are no different than why people have locks on their doors and an alarm in their homes.

Im just protecting what is mine.

Did your bean counter experts tell you about this scenario?

Obamas plan wont do anything but shrink the GDP.

How naive are you?

What a buzz kill wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:56 AM:Armand Archambeault writes, "...we usually think before we type."

But that takes all the fun out of it!

Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 5:28 AM:Since we will have either Obama or McGWB as President this coming January, barring any intervention from GWB,
Could someone please explain and define what constitutes
"winning" in Iraq?
Are the desires of the Iraqi government and the Iraqi People part of the equation?
Does "winning" involve continued perpetual military presence in Iraq?

I am serious here, I want to know.

Will there be or are there some hard and fast criteria, any criteria that is "set in stone" which will be used to end our military involvement in Iraq?
Regards, Alf.

Pot Calling the Kettle wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:33 AM:Very Interesting..Cris Pulse and Junius Montgomery both had letters published on October, 13..Montgomery's letter being substabtially more hateful and without merit than Pulse's..Mr. Jackson, we're all Americans but, if you felt compelled to respond to Pulse's letter and not Montgomery's, you're a conservatine who votes Republican, regardless of how you may be registered.

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:48 AM:Please reelect our two incumbents to the Oceanside school board! In these
trying times, it would benefit to have EXPERIENCED, proven leaders!

Ms. Sanford wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:59 AM:The NCTimes endorsed McCain over Obama..are you really surprised that they would rather publish Oliver North?

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:12 AM:While David Jackson's letter is certainly correct about Chris Pulse not taking Caribou Barbie's cross burnings with a sense of humor, it's hard to imagin Chris' letter being "the most (expletive deleted) hateful I have ever read".

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:22 AM:By virtue of what is the governor appealing a court order to provide
humane medical care for prison inmates?
Apparently our moral beliefs based on pocket book issues has more weight than our moral Christian beliefs! Hypocrites!

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:01 AM:Marsha Sanford questions why we don't see Paul Krugman in the NCT.

He and that other notorious socialist, Warren Buffett, were last seen palling around with Obama.

NCT still has Oliver North's column!

YES Wood Sanchez Lowery wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:23 AM:For a better Oceanside, vote YES for Wood, Sanchez and Lowery!

Ron wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:34 AM:I wanted to give those who were concerned, an update on my stock values.
Yes, it's true, when the stock market tanked, so did my oil stocks. I lost some 27% of value.
But, today I'm happy to report my oil stocks are up 30%!

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:49 AM:Well, Alf, at 5:28 AM, it's just a hunch, but, seeing as we're building some 14 permanent military bases in Iraq, I suspect we're there for the long haul.

Have you Seen Eugene Jarecki's 2005 documentary "Why We Fight"?

Ron wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:00 AM:It's not an IF the CalPERS shoe will drop. It's WHEN the CalPERS shoe drops.
In a manuver that would make Jimmy Hoffa proud, governments at all levels have deliberately underfunded, or stolen from these accounts.

You know....
Over at the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corp., you can get about .45 cents on the dollar from the taxpayer.
Or, you could just go to your next door neighbor...
You might.. get a better deal.

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:04 AM:As usual, the liberals want unilateral withdrawal from Iraq. The US is to go and hand the country over to terrorists. That is just how liberals think. The Bush people are tracking and monitoring terrorists in 91 countries, while Hussein prefers to monitor Joe the Plumber and any reporter or citizen that is anti Hussein. That gives us another insight into Hussein.

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:10 AM:The most pleasing momoent to me, should the Marxists take over, will be to watch the morons dancing in the streets, celebrating higher taxes on the employers. The 3 months later, the reality will sink in when they realize there will be no raises, no 401-K match and health insurance plan is cut or cancelled. The worker will come home bewildered as to what just happened to him, but immediately snap out of it when his kindergartener and 3rd grader tells mommy and daddy, or daddy and daddy, or mommy and mommy, just how much they learned in diversity class, and how proficient they are at fitting a condom on a cucumber

Bob wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:13 AM:Cheer up, Alf, at 5:28 AM, there's a better than even chance we'll no longer have a pathologically obstinate ideologue chanting "Stay The Course" after January :)

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:13 AM:Do you think the CalPers people care one speck? LOL. Those investment managers have allocated to them (personally) all of the new issues and know about stock gappers a day in advance. What CalPers pays them is miniscule in compared to the peripheral benefits they cash in on

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:19 AM:And you all thought all they wanted was same-sex marriage. LOL. That will only be the beginning of their reign of terror. You've already heard about the cirriculum changes in the schools, lawsuits will be flooding into Boy Scout headquarters, the churches will be sued, it will be a hate crime to refer to your parents as mommy and daddy, and the SB777 gender selection will be fully enforced. If anyone thinks its really about same-sex marriage, you need a reality check

Karl wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:25 AM:Wanda, Ms M and Alf thanks for the kind words yesterday. Everything went well yesterday, no surprises. MIL (Mother-In-Law) is resting and I got her laughing this morning. Ms M, Bunny is a real fighter and I am sure that she will join your club. That'll make 2 things she has in common with you, she's also a democrat but I'm working on that one.

DD Wiz wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:37 AM:Ace the Factory Owner
The post from "Ace" (3:32am) sounds about as convincing as "Joe" the "Plumber" (who is not plumber, had already donated to McCain so wasn't the "undecided" he had misrepresented himself to be, doesn't even pay his taxes anyway, and isn't even named "Joe").

"Ace" can do whatever he wants with his "plant" (if he really even owns one). He can show that he knows nothing about business by spiting himself on the prospect of what he imagines will be coming in the FUTURE rather than the present reality, but most business owners will wait and see what actually happens, take advantage of the $3,000 per DOMESTIC employee tax credit and avoid the loss of deductibility for moving to another country.

Of course, "Ace" doesn't care about facts.
He responds emotionally, from the gut, like "shoot from the hip" McCain and Bush.

And since he doesn't actually have any valid issues, all he can do is call names.
He equates Obama's policy of stimulating regulated entrepreneurial markets with the theories of Karl Marx, which are completely opposite.

Marx's economic system has NEVER succeeded.
Full deregulatory lassiez faire economic anarchy has NEVER succeeded.

The kind of regulated entrepreneurial market system of Democrats has ALWAYS succeeded and has produced the greatest economic successes ever witnessed in all of human history, with or without the emotional reactions of those like "Ace" or the equally phony "Joe" the "Plumber."
Peace, prosperity and sunshine to all, DD Wiz

Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:47 AM:Well, "Wanda" at 8:49AM,
no I haven't.
As far as permanent bases go,
there seems to be a difference of opinion between what the American government wants, aka the people who do not belong in Iraq on the one side and the other side comprised of the government and People of Iraq want.
Will the U.S. actually wind up treating Iraq as a sovereign nation?
What constitutes "winning" is as yet undefined.
Regards, Alf.

Roger wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:48 AM:While I'm sure we're all thrilled to have Chuck back, it's apparent that the head extraction procedure was not successful.

Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:00 AM:Well, "Karl" at 9:25AM,
I'm glad that yout "MIL" is doing well, Mrs. Alf and I sent and are "sending good vibes" in her and your general direction.
My friend from high school is now over 10 years as a survivor after a radical left mastectomy, radiation and chemo.
She's the one who introduced me to the saying -
"Every day above-ground is a GREAT day!"
She lives her life that way and will hug the stuffing out of me and Mrs. Alf if given half a chance. Oh yes, she's a Democrat too, but nobody's perfect.
Regards, Alf.

Still waiting wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:05 AM:No on 8 gives us many examples of how he and his partner are denied the benefits that heterosexual couples enjoy under the law. I have asked this question for months: can anyone give me a reason why this should be allowed under the Constitution? (Other than some version of "I don't approve of homosexuality", and any of the lies that pro-8 people tell about what else that law is about). Still waiting. BTW, because no one has or will answered me, it is clear that in time, gay marriage will be the law of the land. Denying equal treatment to them simply won't hold without reasons, and no one has any but their dislike of gays. Give it up, already, and let's move on.

Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:08 AM:Well, "Chuck" at 9:19AM,
welcome back!
Your comments about cucumbers were missed by Mrs. Alf and I, they were a source of much amusement.
Regards, Alf.

Blowing smoke wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:12 AM:Ace says he’s moving his operation to TJ if Obama’s elected so he can pay less workers $75 a week instead of 430 workers $846 a week. If he can get the same results and productivity, with fewer employees due to automation, that seems, from a purely business standpoint, to be a no-brainer no matter who is elected.
In fact, what’s holding him up? He should’ve done it long ago. That’s an extra $17,239,560 in his pocket each year even if he kept 430 employees on the payroll. You read that right. Over seventeen million dollars a year.
And he calls himself a businessman.

She Said wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:16 AM:Ron @ 8:34: so how long do you think it will take to get back the other 5% you lost? Plus, when considering the loss percentage you must be using the metric of what you paid for them; not their highest value year to date.

He Said wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:24 AM:Actually, Ace @ 3:32, it may affect you slightly especially if you need to visit your plant in TJ. Be Safe!! Also, don't sell or ship to Cuba. They're not paying their bills.

Republican Socialist wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:24 AM:Ace at 3:32 a.m. calls Obama a socialist.

I don't think so.

It is the REPUBLICANS who run the government-owned oil industry of Alaska, which Sarah Palin describes as being a "collective" enterprise to "share the wealth."

It is the REPUBLICANS who caused the economic meltdown resulting from deregulatory failure that they want to fix by swinging the pendulum to the opposite extreme:
nationalizing banks, insurance companies and other corporations.

Reardon wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:26 AM:ACE: Taking you at your word, you are demonstrating different things to different people.

To liberals you demonstrate “selfishness.”

To me you demonstrate the difference between static analysis as presumed by Liberals, and dynamic analysis as actually exists in the real world.

Almost everyone lives their lives to maximize their pleasure and minimize their pain, but successful people are not supposed to do that. They are suppose to hold still while their blood is drained.

They don’t. They wont.

But when they (like everyone else) move their assets to protect themselves, they will be called ‘selfish.” They will be labeled as being “unfair,” when they are actually operating in a very human manner – maximizing their pleasure and minimizing their pain.

Liberals will also move to maximize their pleasure in stealing your money, by banning you from moving your company or your money offshore.

Their problem is that you can move faster than they do, particularly if you have developed contingency plans.

You have. Congratulation

To Ace wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:29 AM:We won't miss you and your way of doing business one iota. Please feel free to move your concern to TJ in order to keep every last dime you can possibly manage to make to yourself. Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Voters info wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:46 AM:You have to see NCTimes Nov 1st
section A page 11.....


Voters are fed up and they arent going to take it anymore!

Karl wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:52 AM:Voters info @ 10:46 AM:

I won't be rushing out to buy a paper, what's the scoop?

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:02 AM:Well, Alf, at 9:47 AM, "winning" never has been defined, other than as something we need to do, by golly.

"Mission Accomplished" has never been pinned down either, though the Neo-Orwellian administration has made numerous attempts (each more laughable than the previous).

grj wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:05 AM:More humor especially ace. What don't republicans get @ failed war failed economy by Bush/cheney. This whole name calling of Obama is childish.Obama is associating with people who won purlitzer prizes in economics and after winning pointed out why bushes policy's were wrong. The whole purpose in a democracy is for the benefit and common good of all people , not just the whealthy.Go Obama/ no more useless wars.

To Karl wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:07 AM:get off your duff!

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:08 AM:>>>Your comments about cucumbers were missed by Mrs. Alf and I, they were a source of much amusement.
Regards, Alf.>>> By the way, I see my local grocery store is offering flu shots for $25. I guess I'd prefer a bagel maker (if heterosexual) to stick me with a needle to supplement his income, but I dont want my doctor trying to sell me cucumbers at $1.50 a pound to supplement his.

Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:09 AM:>>You have to see NCTimes Nov 1st
section A page 11>>>

No, I haven't

We are really in Trouble now wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:13 AM:I heard that McCain was gaining momentum in the poles, and the best argument yet for why an Obama Presidency would be so bad for the country.

Think about it …… A Democrat controlled congress, a Democrat controlled Senate, and a Democrat controlled State of California, with the most Liberal, Socialist, and Democratic President in United States history.

Now just thinking about that really scares me, as All Checks and Balance would be gone. People in both parties are starting to realize this.

Look what the Democrats have done to california over the last 10 years.

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Two socialisms wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:37 AM:When the yahoos can benefit from socialism, they love it. Spread someone else's wealth to me? Sign me up! This is Palin's Alaska. But when some of their wealth might be spread to others, then they scream Marxism! It has nothing to do with governmental philosophy, only with greed. Yawn.

Obama says wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:38 AM:"We need change right now!"

That's freaky, he must have seen Escondido and has our solution!

amazing!

GO OBAMA!

gagabedgallo
google it!

Reardon wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:39 AM:ACE: I forgot to warn you.

Democrats will condemn you for maximizing your profit and minimizing your pain.

In 2002, Richard Gephardt, D-Mo., said regarding moving offshore to avoid taxation, "It is an unpatriotic act that has no place in a country that demands responsibility from all while seeking to promote opportunity for all,"

You nay recall that recently, Senator Joe Biden said that paying taxes is patriotic.

So, look for your patriotism to be questioned.

Oh Chuck wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:41 AM:Chuck says liberals want unilateral withdrawal from Iraq. This is -- surprise! -- another yahoo lie. Obama and the rest of us want the US troops out of Iraq, but it's not unilateral: so do about 70+% of the people of Iraq; so does the Iraqi government. Chuck forgets that one of the many reasons Bush gave for the Iraq fight was about bringing democracy to that country. Well, there it is. Mission accomplished. But that was never Chuck's mission (nor Bush's, obviously, nor McCain's, obviously). The Chuck/Bush/McCain mission was about oil, or about establishing permanenty bases there (both rejected by the Iraqi people and government), but more than anything else, the Chuck/Buch/McCain mission was to get the political advantage of soothing the macho American image that's been sore since Vietnam. Unfortunately, liberals, Iraqis, the Iraqi government, and the entire stinking world finds this a repulsive mission. Sorry, kiddies. You are, and will always be, losers, because your mission is the mission of losers.

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:49 AM:Alf, at 9:47 AM, the reason I mentioned Eugene Jarecki's documentary "Why We Fight", back at 8:49 AM, in response to your original questions was that it would go a long ways towards answering these questions. There may well be a brief synopsis of this on line.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:56 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:04 AM:
More crapola from the King of the same.
The US has already returned sovereignty to the Iraqi government, 11 provinces including Anbar have been restored to the Iraqi people and the UN mandate ends at the end of December. Don't forget that the surge worked. If it did, it is past time to go which will results in saving American lives, American money and the reassignment of our troops to Afghanistan were the real terrorists are located.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:02 PM:Still waiting[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:05 AM: All citizens regardless of sex, secular orientation, race, creed and place of natural origin are protected under the Constitution and the State Constitution. The federal constitution leaves the issue of contracts to the states. The judges of the California Supreme Court never ruled on the issue of marriage. They ruled predicated upon the equal protection clause of the state Constitution.

To Ace wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:03 PM:Good-bye and good riddance. Although, I don't believe your story.

They are coming wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:06 PM:Chuck[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:19 AM: Be on alert. The homosexuals are coming. Run, hide, check under your bed and in your closet, get your cucumbers before they do. The homosexuals are coming. They are on their way to Chuck's house.

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:07 PM:I wanted to see what was on section A page 11, so I ran out and bought a paper. What a waste, because our paper only goes to Sectin A, Page 8.

Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:14 PM:For those who say that DOmestic Partnerships have all the same rights as marriage, Michigan recognizes neither domestic partnership nor marriage for same-sex couples.
Regards, Alf.

gracchus wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:22 PM:i wish ace much success when he moves his business to mexico. if he has the patience to deal with mexican bureaucrats and labor representatives, that's great. additionally he can deal with mexican import and export laws. that includes dealing with u.s. customs if he sells his products in the united states.

if ace can truly see his profit margin increase by transfering his operations to mexico, more power to him. i just hope that he understands all the paperwork that he will confront. and i hope that he gets himself a few good mexican lawyers, so that his enterprise conforms to mexican law.

good luck, ace, when you make your move.

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:24 PM:Would you please explain what static and dynamic analysis means to us simplistic mortals?

OBSERVATION wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:45 PM:AP poll shows Obama backers gleeful, McCain's glum
By ALAN FRAM and TREVOR TOMPSON, Associated Press Writers

WASHINGTON (AP) — That smiling guy walking down the street? Odds are he's a Barack Obama backer. The grouchy looking one? Don't ask, and don't necessarily count on him to vote on Tuesday, either.

To The Church of Alf wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:55 PM:From the blogger formally known as "Wanda Dear"

Well Paster Alf,

I noticed you were outraged enough yesterday at 3:27PM and 4:38PM to chastise me, not once but twice for my comments about your new disciple Wanda.

Even your followers got in on trying to convert me, thats fine, every one has the right to speak, especially you Paster Alf, given your missionary position in your Church and all.

But I am compelled to inquire as to why you are not showing the same outrage, anger and tenacity with your disciple Rogers post below? That is, if you are as center as you tell others you are.


Roger
[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 9:48 AM: While I'm sure we're all thrilled to have Chuck back, it's apparent that the head extraction procedure was not successful.

Now Paster Alf, there are several possibilities for this oversight that immediately come to mind, however I'm sure none of them will be as divinely inspired as yours. I look forward to hearing from you. :)

sdraoul wrote on Nov 1, 2008 12:57 PM:DD and those who believe as he does chastise "Ace" and welcome his taking his 400-plus jobs to Tijuana.

Good for Ace! He is doing what is best for his company and that is as it should be. His market is export thus where he makes his product is immaterial to his customers.

His workers, on the other hand, are the ones who will be truly affected by Obama. Ace is not the only American company that will move.

If, on the other hand, McCain wins and cuts business taxes to the Irish level (for example) and that will keep companies here.

For Obama to stop companies from moving he will have to take them over and put government employees in charge of them. He plans to draft the people who run the Post Office to run the companies he takes over to keep them from leaving the U.S.A.

As usual, DD has no idea what he is talking about. After all, he thinks that FDR eliminated 19 percent unemployment by utilizing Mussolini-type government payrolls and projects like the Civilian Conservation Corps and the Works Projects Administration that paid artists to paint Soviet-style art on public buildings.

I must admit, however, that DD finally realizes that it was preparation for war and war orders from Great Britain that eliminated Depression unemployment not FDR's government payrolls.

Misleading Sign wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:02 PM:There is a very misleading sign at the corner of Foothill and East Vista Way. It says "Teachers Endorse Patty Anderson" for school board. That is absolutely NOT true! While there may be some teachers who support Mrs. Anderson, the VTA does NOT. I am embarrassed for her for putting up such a (huge and) misleading sign! It actually borders on out and out lying.

I have yet to hear positive comments about Mrs. Anderson from ANYONE who has heard her speak in a forum situation - and this includes teachers.

Vote for people who will support ALL stakeholders in this district and bring back communication at all levels - Lilly, Chunka, and Jaka.

christine wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:06 PM:Republican Socialist still gets it wrong. I have two words for you RS: Barney Frank. Wait, I have two more: Bill Clinton. With his own words Bill Clinton claims it was his own fault for signing a bill when he was president forcing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to offer high risk mortgages to unqualified buyers. Frank and Company worked their tails off to keep regulation from occuring. But, facts aren't enough for you I guess.

christine wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:11 PM:To Ace:
I'll miss you. You're smart. You're the type of business man that has made America strong. Too bad this isn't the America we all hoped it could remain.

Ron wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:26 PM:Personally, I don't know how you can argue with "Ace" @3:32 AM.

If he does automate, he will not only increase his productivity, but it will also drive up his profitability.
My own experience in TJ manufacturing is that, while in the US you could pay your people $8-10 dollars an hour, or more.
In Mexico, that's a day.

There will be the inconveniences, the infrastructure, although most other American plants that have moved in, have upgraded. There is the problem with security, kidnapping is again on the rise. That could easily be solved by a few Blackwater employees back from Iraq. You might want to keep some cash on hand, just in case.

On the "No payroll taxes", well, kind of, sort of... the Mexican Government acts like an employment agency, in that, when you pay your employee $8 a day, they also get a cut of equal amount. So the price of employee per day is actually $16.

His margins seem appropiate, 84 cents to get back a dollar. His increased
margin to about 43% net, that's probably close.

But his main point is well taken. As business people, we'll take our lumps if we believe they are deserved, or part of the process.
But, we will NOT be anyone's personal "whipping boy." Which is what NObama does. He equates us, with the worst America has to offer, and then insults our intelligence with this petty $3K hiring deduction.
It will cost me about $5-6,000 just to hire someone, bring them up to speed, make sure all documentation they provide is correct, accurate. Place them on payroll, begin deducting taxes, plus adding them to benefits.
And that's a new hire, no experience, with a high school diploma. Those who cost me more to hire, cost me more in the hiring.
It's a joke.

So, I don't blame Ace. He's just doing what's right for him, which is part of the invisible hand as spoken of by Adam Smith. Remember the other day when I said: "Trickle down does work, has worked, and is still working", it's just not happening inside the US.
And this is the reason why.

Ron wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:31 PM:With newspapers losing subscriptions, I'm wondering when they will go offshore?
And why not?
When I read many papers, it's as if it's been written offshore, by an outsider, someone who is not actually observing events, and reporting them.
Maybe they've done a lot of H1B hiring?
Who know's?

I like the new Ron wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:51 PM:posts that are short, and to the point...I actually read both of them, instead of using power scroll to get through line after line that he usually posts.

Keep it up Ron!

Vista Granny wrote on Nov 1, 2008 1:55 PM:Ace-- First, I think you will have to get rid of your plant here (not easy in a down economy), then there are permits, etc. to pay for, plus building in Tijuana often takes a little tip here and there. How do you know you'll get decent workers? Finally, won't you still have to pay as much income tax on your own income? You're not becoming a Mexican citizen, are you? Any way, we won't miss you one bit.

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:08 PM:Why the aplomb commentary about
Obama being the first African-American
to be president? He is not! He was born to a woman from Kansas whose mother has roots or kin of distinguished Americans!
Yes, his father is of African origin
but to refer to him as African
American would ignore his mothers roots! He is an American, period!
At the very least, he is a mutt like the rest of us!

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:32 PM:"fight to cleanup the mess in Washinton" uh, since when is McCain not a part of the mess in Washington?

Bob wrote on Nov 1, 2008 2:53 PM:Odds are looking long for McCain. Suspect he's beginning to wish he'd taken the "high road" and at least come out of this a loser with some respect.

Been about 4 hours now since NCT has posted a comment. What's up with this?

chris wrote on Nov 1, 2008 3:50 PM:hey ace don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya . i hope obama stings you with additional business taxes for being true to your nature , greedy as hell .

Looking Glass wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:13 PM:With the bailouts of wall street and the auto industry, it looks like the U.S. is going to be more socialistic. It doesn't matter if it's democratic or republican, both are advocating bigger government and intrusion into our lives. They want us to accept higher taxes, illegal immigrants, and higher prices at the store. So sad. That's why I am with Karl - we need a strong third party to come into power to stop the greed, the taxing, the horrible spending, and restore the integrity and honor of our government. I look forward to reading the election results to see how many people are dissatisfied with the 2 main parties and voted 3rd party.

Ace wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:20 PM:Every American company can move to Mexico and save money.

NAFTA made the deal even sweeter.

Thank You Bill Clinton.

So why doesnt every company do it?

Because some of us want to give back to America.

But now that my wealth is being assaulted and pillaged, Im going to take action to counter it. I am not going to stay loyal to America when the voters are about to sell me out down the river.

Im going to move.

I can assure you that I am no fake.

Reardons points are very well taken as they ring true.

I paid my employees well, I provided health care and dental care, I gave 2 weeks paid vacations, and I built a gym and spa at my facility for my employees use. However, apparently America thinks that me and my ilk are expendable and didnt pay or offer enough. Now, they want me to share my wealth when I already have.

More, more, and more!!!!!

Now, those voters can test their skills on the open market without the help of my ilk. This isnt about payback, its about asset protection from populist plunder. Despite the liberal urban legend, I have no social obligation to provide jobs, especially when my assets are about to be raided.

My obligation is to me and my family.

I contribute more money to charity than most earn in one year as I contribute to the Crippled Childrens Fund and the Disabled American Veterans.

Those are by choice though.

Obamas plan isnt so Im going to do something about it.

What are you going to do about it liberals?

Whats your plan for forcing me to stay in America?

DD Wiz cites a miniscule $3000.00 tax credit for keeping employees domestic.
Sweetheart, that doesnt even offset the cost of health care and perks. Thats an insult to me considering Obama is going to take it back anyway. Thats a fraction of what I would recover on my own by moving. You can call me a fraud all you want but this is going to happen if Obama gets in. I have had it up to my ears with the union taking credit for benefits that I willfully paid. They go back to the rank and file and claim I resisted when I didnt and demonize me. I have had union bosses walk away from ther table just to posture after I was willing to give them EVERYTHING THEY WERE ASKING. This was done to demonize me and take credit for what I was willingly giving. The demogogues in the media, the Democrat party and the unions have driven me to this with their class warefare rhetoric.

Obama is the final nail in the coffin and Ive had enough.

Obamas plan assaults the middle class but I will get the blame.

However, I wont be effected.

But the middle class wont be either since apparently I dont exist.

The entrepreneurs that do exist will happily allow their wealth to be raided.

How naive are some people?

However, I still think McCain is going to win!

If Obama gets in then America loses.

Obama Nation wrote on Nov 1, 2008 4:39 PM:QUOTE – 10 Planks of the Communist Manifesto:

1) Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes;

2) A heavy progressive or graduated income tax;

3) Abolition of all right of inheritance;

4) Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels;

5) Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly;

6) Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

7) Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan;

8) Equal liability of all to labour (sic). Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture;

9) Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equable distribution of the population over the country;

10) Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labour in its present form. ...

According to the Communist Manifesto, all these were prior conditions for a transition from capitalism to communism (but Marx and Engels later expressed a desire to modernize this passage. – END QUOTE

This is hiding in plain sight online. Google it. Quoted verbatim from Wikipedia.

So now, the pedantic twit can post his 600-word (more or less) attack on Wikipedia)

Best of luck ACE! Thanks for your efforts in this country.

Is Atlas about to shrug?

Regards, Hardtack

Bill wrote on Nov 1, 2008 5:19 PM:So some dont think 430 jobs is going to be missed?

Did you say "one iota"?

Ill bet everyone who does business or is owed money from the people who lose their jobs will miss them. I know that I respect movers like Ace and dont think beating up on him is going to do anything to help the middle class. The rich are able to do what they want when they want.

Anyone who thinks raising taxes on the rich only effects the rich is an economic idiot.

In fact, Im starting to think some in here just want to punish achievers and really dont care about the middle class at all.

What kind of an idiot says that 430 jobs that pay about 44k a year wont be missed?

Not an idiot that is concerned with the struggling middle class thats for sure.

Obama is nothing more than Jimmy Carter Junior.

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:16 PM:The blog telling Ace how run his business amuses me. It's sorta like telling the farmer in the Coachella Valley to go plant in Mexico if its more profitable.....it is, but the base of the economic structure has to start somewhere.

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:44 PM:I rushed out to buy a paper to see what was on page 11, but up here our section A only goes to page 8. I was sad.

Wanda wrote on Nov 1, 2008 6:46 PM:Per grj's post, at 11:05 AM, people associated with Obama have been winning:

"...purlitzer prizes in economics..."

Pink Power Ranger wrote on Nov 1, 2008 7:39 PM:and the TRUTH shall set us free!

I just read it!
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time to go fellas!

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Toby wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:19 PM:Wanda
[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:02 AM:Well, Alf, at 9:47 AM, "winning" never has been defined, other than as something we need to do, by golly.
"Mission Accomplished" has never been pinned down either

Ok Wanda, Looks like you got us on that one because we all know what "Spread the wealth" means. Can you say AmeriKa.

We are really in trouble now wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:35 PM:You want to feel fear? Look at the past 8 years of Republican rule. End of story. There is the truth and there is Republican nonsense.

Californian wrote on Nov 1, 2008 8:45 PM:The blog from "We are really in Trouble Now" (11:13 a.m.) complains about "what the Democrats have done to California over the last 10 years."
Huh?
A brief tenure as governor by Gray Davis was surrounded by doubte terms from Pete Wilson and Arnold Schwarzenegger, BOTH REPUBLICANS.
Additionally, Republicans in the legislature have had sufficient numbers to block budgets.

The real point drawn from the facts of this blog are that Republicans have ruined California.

Elect Democrats!

Karl wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:06 PM:To Karl
[-] wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:07 AM:get off your duff!

Oh great, now my duff is in play. Isn't anything sacred anymore?

jvc wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:25 PM:The conservatives sold us their agenda
by championing patriotism!They have a monopoly on patriotism!They are the true Americans!

DD Wiz wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:29 PM:"sdraoul" and his dishonest creativity
The post from "sdraoul" (12:57pm) just makes things up and misrepresents others' views when the facts simply don't go his way.
He says, referring to me, "DD finally realizes that it was preparation for war and war orders from Great Britain that eliminated Depression unemployment not FDR's government payrolls."
This is simply a blatant and utterly dishonest fabrication.
While "sdraoul" has lied many times, this is one of the most blatant I have ever seen, and completely misrepresents my views.
I never said anything that could be remotely construed to this conclusion.
Here are the FACTS that I have repeatedly asserted:
The Depression was cured by FDR'S economic policy that reversed unemployment long before any hint of World War II.
To repeat, using unemployment figures FROM BEFORE WORLD WAR II I have cited before from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:
1933 - 24.95% (first year of FDR presidency)
1934 - 21.7%
1935 - 20.2%
1936 - 16.9%
1937 - 14.3%
Everything prior to this point is before the earliest hints of war in Europe and cannot be attributed to the war with even the most outrageous stretch of the imagination (or truth) for which "sdraoul" is so famous -- or infamous.
1938 - 19.0% (Americans get economic jitters as war clouds threaten Europe)
1939 - 17.2% (Germany invades Poland in September 1939 to start WWII)
1940 - 14.6%
1941 - 9.9% (last full year before American involvement in WWII)

"sdraoul" is full of insults and hateful invective, saying others (in this case, me) have "no idea what [they] are talking about." It is clearly obvious that "sdraoul" either does not know what HE is talking about or, if he does, he is lying. He is either ignorant or lying. Which is it, "sdraoul"?

Have you no shame, Mr. "sinverguenza" Raoul?
Or is it just the desperation of facing a landslide loss?
Peace, prosperity and sunshine to all, DD Wiz

Roberto1 wrote on Nov 1, 2008 10:41 PM:Having worked overseas in several countries for the last four years all I can say is Ace, you will join many others who enjoy tax protection and a competative edge. When will liberals realize you cannot steal from the rich and give to the poor....you only create more poor.

McCain is tied or ahead in some polls now wrote on Nov 1, 2008 11:25 PM:President Mccain will be in office soon! Also, in 2004 Kerry was ahead by 10 points in many states with 2 weeks to go. He lost.

Questions wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:25 AM:How can we elect a President with an Aunt illegally in the country and on the dole. Whose family lives in poverty while he has ample money. Who wants to spread my assets to those more needy but does not spread his assets to his needy family. A man who has had zero -nada- no- executive experience? A Senator whose courage mustered 190 plus "present" votes?

There he goes again wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:33 AM:DD's response to Ace is typical. Attack him and cast aspersions. He did not like the message. Ace's point with his personal example was simple, Taxing business and redistributing income as Obama proposes, can drive business out of the country and lose American jobs.

Wanda wrote on Nov 2, 2008 7:40 AM:DD Wiz, at 10:29 PM, contends that sdraoul "is either ignorant or lying".

It's not a matter of either, or :)

Reardon wrote on Nov 2, 2008 8:00 AM:OK, you must have guessed it, I am ace.

Build it and the Nice People Will Come wrote on Nov 2, 2008 1:22 PM:Even National City has a Marriott Hotel and they are every bit as much as a Third Word Dump as Escondido.

It is not about tourism, it is about business. Business Travelers think nothing of $150 a night. In fact that is cheap. There are no nice places anywhere else in Escondido area to spend a few nights. What is wrong with improving the city? Has anyone seen the artist’s concepts of the Hotel, and plaza and amenities? A nice restaurant and meeting rooms. It looks pretty nice.

Stop trying to keep Escondido in the Dark Ages. By the way the Marriott in National has been a steady source of jobs and revenue since it was built. Maybe Escondido can start generating some more business and convention traffic. Remember all of the people back east will make their reservations online, so they will not have any preconceived notions of Escondido, and that is probably a good thing.