Im sick wrote on Nov 4, 2008 7:48 PM:of the pro homosexuals attacks on the traditional family and values. One man and one women will always be the natural order of marital bliss that bears the fruit and the foundation of any society on this planet.

Tonight the American people decided race is irrelevant wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:17 PM:And I hope that those who are trying to minimize this win by claiming that sexual orientation/desires is similar to race, will back off their ridiculous arguments and let the nation enjoy the death of racism in this nation.

mel wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:32 PM:I'm sick of the discrimination and hatred against homosexuals in this country. NO ON 8.

Im sick AND TIRED wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:50 PM:This whole God is Law thing attacks the very foundation of our country and the belief that ALL men were created equal ... not just the straight ones.

im sick 2 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:28 PM:i hear you...YES on 8!!!!

Times change wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 PM:Early bliblical history shows that marriage is between a man and as many women he can get. One man and one woman has not always been the "natural" order of marital bliss and "fruits" of most early societies on this planet were produced by male dominated groups with many wives. Times change. Everyone deserves to pursue happiness and equality.

RR wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:34 PM:Who cares of your sick of it. Those who have to live with your bigotry are actually adversely affected. Your ilk will go down in history as hate filled bigots regardless of today's result.

Happy and Sad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:38 PM:I really am sorry for the Gay communities that their dream of marriage didn't come true. I mean that, But I am also thankful that we have come together to save a protect traditional marriage.

I have Gay friends and I know that this Prop was just as important to them as it was too me. I still love and care about them, just as they care about me.

I want the Gay community to know that I don't believe that anyone is anti-gay. We that supported Yes on 8 really value the definition of marriage. I am happy for me and am truly sad for you guys. I'm not really sure what to say that would make you feel better, I wish I had the words. But someone had to win and someone had to lose. I know it is difficult to understand.

God bless.

Sincerely,

NC Friend

bryan wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:59 PM:Florida and california are both saying yes to family values and yes to our kids in supporting traditional marriage.

believe wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:02 PM:Prop 8? Is not that discrimination? I thought this country was found and based equal rights, opportunities, hopes, dreams, and visions. We are moving forward not backward. The society needs more love not discrimination. Why can't we allow people to marry who they love and respect. There are many broken marriage within Catholic community, why no one say anything about that? Isn't divorce go against the Catholic teaching? I am Roman Catholic, but I support people rights to be wedded who they love and care about, love is unconditional and there is no obligation. The churches in a way manipulate us by teaching us to love unconditionally but only when you obey curtain rules written by the churches, that is wrong. As far as I believe in God and I have good heart and love everyone for who they are as far as they are no harm to the society or others, then I believe God will bless me. I do not like to be manipulated.

Confused wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:11 PM:If we really want to "protect" marriage - shouldn't this ballot have been to outlaw divorce?

polo wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:22 PM:I'm sick too!

I'm sick of all these traditionalist coming out of the woodwork. Its traditional to stay married. Its traditional to not have a child out of wedlock. Its traditional to not have any sexual relations before you marry.

If prop 8 passes, lets come up with some new ones.....

Prop 68: If you get divorced you must be put to death (you've desecrated this sacred institution)

Prop 69: Only virgins are allowed to get married. EVERYONE ELSE, JUST GET A CIVIL UNION!

Prop 70: Only fertile couples that can produce offspring to continue the human race can get married EVERYONE ELSE, JUST GET A CIVIL UNION!

Alex wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:26 PM:Yes on 8! Yes!

Got a PhD wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:35 PM:It is so sad that the liberals extended voting rights to the uneducated and bigoted. One man and one woman is the foundation of the Darwinian process of procreation. Further, if marriage was so blessed - there would not be so much divorce.

Historically (for thousands of years), marriage has been a civil union for the exchange of chattel and building of familial wealth. Traditional marriage is not legal until the papers are filed with the civil government. The religious concept of marriage bears no fruit and is a usurpation of governmental control. If the legal documents are not properly filed you are NOT married (No matter what your religious organizations indicate), and therefore you are effectively living in sin - like the vast majority of our predecessors who just shacked up.

Im sick wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:38 PM:I'm sick of idiotic closed minded views such as yours above...

Michael wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:41 PM:Even if the yes side wins it is only a matter of time, once Obama starts packing the courts with progressive judges, that all of the constitutional amendments against marriage equality across the entire nation, will fall like dominos. This WILL happen because we will not back down until it does.

im sicker wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:57 PM:of bigotry and illegal measures finding their way on the ballot illegally. This will surely be once again overturned in the courts if it actually gets a narrow majority in the polls. Constitutional amendments must first go through the state legislature before they can get on the ballot. Prop 8 did not.

Loy wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:13 PM:All I know that God exterminated the people and the city of Sodom in the old testament due to Man on Man action and as I recall Jesus never said "Hey you guys can be homosexuals now" in the new testament. I'm not being sarcastic or anything just being real. Ethics and Morals according to the ALMIGHTY KING's STANDARDS. That should be the first thing that comes to mind seriously what's next after this? Marrying your 11 year old daughter to a 60 year old man or how about Marrying your own dad or Mother.

response wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:50 PM:Shut the hell up, you're not God and by no means are you perfect, and you aren't the creator, so quit trying to sound high and mighty like you hold some sort of special power and that you're better than homosexuals. you're a human just like me, with flaws, so don't put yourself on a pedastal.

And Im sick... wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:51 PM:....of people promoting this mythological "perfect family." What works for one family does not necessarily work for another. People are gay, straight, bisexual. Some people prefer to be single. Some have been married multiple times and have step kids. Many kids have half-brothers and sisters. When are we going to recognize that the best family is the one that loves each other, supports each other and encourages each other to be the best they can possibly be.

Tonight we witnessed one large step forward in our country, and one HUGE step backward. I'm mortified, horrified, ashamed, embarrassed and incredibly sad. And I'm straight. I will never teach my children discrimination and hate. Hopefully my children will teach your children love and acceptance, because you obviously can't.

Honest Again wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:05 AM:A very, very telling statistic is that 74% of African American women voted YES on 8 (according to the exit poll). I think this demographic, more than any other group, understands how devastating it is for children to not be raised by both biological parents. Gay marriage, by design, intentionally removes one biological parent from the picture. We have enough families that don't meet the two-parent ideal; we did not need to create a new family structure that gurantees that one parent will be permantently missing. Thank you brave black women!

robert wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:11 AM:oh well we have spoken no gay marriage once again woo hoo

Mike wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:08 AM:Marriage is between a Man and a Women.
It wasnt broke before, doesnt need fixing now.

khmc wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:25 AM:Marriage is ordained by God, between a man and a woman. Families are the base of our society, and a child deserves to have both a mother and a father. Yes on Prop. 8

charlie wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:29 AM:im sick of people judging homosexuals!!!! i think that every single human is equal and has the right to live their lives how ever they want. also gay marriage should be allowed because every body has feelings and every one want to be happy why not letting gay people find the same happiness as every one else ??? i think gay people has more heart than those that judge and are against them !!!! no gay people will kill babies like other womens dude this day no gay people will we irresponsible for help others .... say no to prop 8.. and let the world be equal and respectful

nb1stsuspect wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:32 AM:Marriage is ordained by God, between a man and a woman. Families are the base of society and a child deserves to have both a mother and a father. Yes on Prop.8

TrueRepublican wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:59 AM:If it does in fact pass, it's a sad night for all in california. This isn't what God, Christ our savior or those who drafted the U.S. Constitution had in mind for us. As a Christian, I remain committed to love, equality and peace for all.

Amanda wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:03 AM:anyone who says yes is disturbed!! who are we to say who you can and cannot marry!! people cannot help who they love!! this is the worst idea ever! that marriage should be between only a man and woman. i'm straight and married. if two men or two women are married it won't make my marriage any less of a marriage. also, as a teacher i know for a fact that marriage is not taught in schools!!!

Vince wrote on Nov 5, 2008 2:30 AM:I guess people aren't ready for same sex marriage, just like their ancestors weren't ready for intergration or womens rights.

Annoyed wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:12 AM:How do you place on "marriage"? In a world where we limit everything by laws, which are subsequently broken, why would a society need man's law to define what the church says is "God's Law'....unless it isn't God's Law to define marriage, but rather man's law. It seems to be that the Church is afraid that if we are allowed to think on our own, then we might see that marriage is between two PEOPLE who are willing to share their lives, love, hurts and pains together. Even the Church's vows don't make it an issue of "Do you take this man/woman to be your husband/wife in goods time and bad, but only if you are of opposite sexes". In a world where divorce among the Straight population is ever rising, maybe it is time we look at what is happening in those realms to cause such an issue for the Church?

It is amazing wrote on Nov 5, 2008 4:31 AM:that all these bloggers who are "visiting" this site to promote their homosexual life are still here. Yes on 8 is going to pass. This is what CALIFORNIANS want. Just like we wanted it a year ago and it was over turned..... I am sure that the gays will sue, it what they do. To Polo: You sound like a very angry person. I suggest you seek a councelor.

Lady wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:41 AM:YEA!! YEA!!!! THANK YOU PEOPLE!!!
Voted YES on 8. NOW everyone JUST leave IT alone for "gosh" sakes already.. Get on with your life...

Im sick too wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:51 AM:Let's go way back in history and bring back "traditional" marriage. Men will marry as many wives as they can. Isn't that "natural order of marital bliss that bears the fruit and the foundation of any society on this planet." When did this "tradition" become obsolete?
Times change. We need to grow and change and allow everyone to pursue happiness.

Gil wrote on Nov 5, 2008 5:55 AM:TO: Tonight the American people decided race is irrelevant

Yes - No more Excuses!!!!We ALL can make it in America!!!

Analyzing the Props wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:10 AM:Prop 68: since the death penalty is rarely carried out for convicted murderers, I think something like forfeiting your right to marry again would be sufficient divorce penalty.

Prop 69: This would have made Prop 8 unnecessary for obvious reasons.

Prop 70: A very reasonable proposal, which would mean couples (this means two people) would be prohibited from the participation of a third individual of the opposite sex to assist in producing offspring.

Relax, polo, I actually agree with your premise that pure traditionalists are few and far between and marriage has become a cliche.

Please wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:24 AM:Don't rejoice yet. How can you be pleased that it's practically divided 50/50? This will be overturned by the Supreme Court and even if it doesn't, gay is here to stay with the word "marraige" or not. You've just pushed more out of the closet:)

To Polo - wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:28 AM:I'm proud to say that I fit your criteria.... My husband and I were virgins up until our wedding night. We (with the help of God) have created 3 wonderful children. We've also been married for 10 years and our marriage just gets stronger and stronger - divorce is not an option for us.

I bet you thought that nobody would meet your criteria. NEWS FLASH-- Not everyone lives an immoral lifestyle!!!

YEAH for Prop 8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:34 AM:Now with Florida, Arizona and California all 3 passing there constitutional amendment last night to protect marriage as it should be brings the total number of states to 30 that have such provisions to protect marriage...Only 20 more to go!!!

why not wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:51 AM:To respond Prop 68, 69 & 70.
If Prop did not pass
Prop 78: Polygamy shall be legal! People shall have the right to marry as many people as they want.

Prop 79: People shall have the right to marry their pet! You dog is not just your best friend, but your wife/husband

Prop 99: (in the future) Marriage should be allowed between human and aliens even Robots.

Go 8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 6:57 AM:With our State almost bankrupt why do people continue to pass money spending Props? It doesn't make sense. Yes they are bonds but the state has to back those bonds. People read the measures and quit watching the TV. But then again why worry the Messiah Obama has won!!

If this isnt wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:04 AM:voter fraud, then sorry folks but Obama votes will be recounted.

race is irrelevant wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:05 AM:when did homo-sexuality become a race? Maybe you can explain that to me and the Muslims in Iraq.

No way wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:08 AM:There is NO WAY this will be allowed by our state supreme court. Thank goodness the judicial system is in place to prevent the (hateful, anachronistic) majority from OPPRESSING the minority. That's the way our checks and balances work. Propose as many "amendments" to the constitution as you'd like. Have as many votes on said Props as you'd like. But if the proposition violates an individuals rights, it will not pass into law! Learn it, Live it, Love it! :)

To no way.... wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:20 AM:ahhh yes let's bring up the state supreme court and judges that overturned the majority vote of Californians, showing that we don't matter. Didn't one of those judges have child pornography on his computer? Let me guess that lifstyle isn't a choice either right?


Yes on 8 passed, AGAIN Californians spoke loud and clear.

Wow wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:22 AM:The state Supreme Court has to listen to the people of California too. Not just the gay and lesbians. We the staight and narrow are people too, we pay our taxes, we vote and we have a right to be heard.

Frank wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:22 AM:It's shameful that christians in this country have gone after the basic rights of a group of people they don't agree with. I have been married for 29 years and have yet to see a reasonable explanation from the pro 8 people why same sex marriage will destroy my marriage.
Religious dogma does not belong in our laws and government. Haven't we had enough examples around the world where religions run the gov't and the subsequent loss of human rights? Prop 8 proponents used fear to get votes, sound familiar?

just a mom wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:25 AM:No way: what part of democracy do you not get? The whole proposition came about because the courts derailed the will of the people. It is a strange balance of power for the minority to dictate to the majority - does communism appeal to you more than democracy? CA isn't the only state passing such a proposition.

Yes On 8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:27 AM:Prop 8 is winning by over 4 percentage points. A county-by-county map shows that the greatest support for Prop 8 was in the coastal counties by San Francisco. The California Supreme Court is headquartered in San Francisco, and is truly out of touch with the people of California.

esteban wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:29 AM:Hurray for the passage of prop 8. Gays have civil union rights already. Now shut up and go home.

Jeff wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:40 AM:Sad that a slim majority is sufficient to pass a constitutional amendment. Even state constitution should have more stringent standard to protect the rights of all people. I agree that religious dogma has no place in government. I just don't understand how this protects the sanctity of marriage. Let the hypocrites ban divorce if they are so concerned about the sanctity of marriage and the lessons they are teaching their kids about love, honor and commitment!

Oside1969 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:44 AM:I could care less about gay marriage. I personally don't think the government should mettle in people's lives. But I voted "yes on 8" because you whining liberals put Obama in the White House. Be ready for some big change and not the good kind. You can't have it all progressive whiners!!!

Yes on 8 so-cal love wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:44 AM:I AM VERY EXCITED THAT PROP 8 PASSED. ITS NOT THAT I HAVE HATRED FOR GAYS, I DONT MIND GAYS. THEY JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS UN-NATURAL TO BE TOGETHER. YOU CANT FLAUNT SOMETHING THAT DISTURBS SO MANY PEOPLE. PASSING A LAW LIKE THAT IS EXTREMELY DANGEROUS FOR OR COMMUNITIES. THEY NEED TO RESPECT THE RIGHTS OF THE CHURCHES THAT HAVE RULES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS. YOU CANT EXPECT THEM TO CHANGE BECAUSE OF YOUR SEXUAL PREFRENCE. THINK IF THEY WERE TO CHANGE, CHURCHES WOULD GO AGAINST THIER RELIGION IN GODS HOUSE. CHUCHES WOULD BE SUED OR FORCED TO CHOOSE. THATS WRONG, AND THEY DONT RESPECT THAT. THEY NEED TO RESPECT THE NATURAL FAMLIES THAT ARE TRYING TO RAISE THIER HIGHLY IMPRESSIONABLE CHILDREN IN SUCH A ALREADY CORRUPTED WORLD. YOU CANNOT GO AGAINST THE MORALS AND VALUES THAT PARENTS ARE TRYING TO TEACH THIER CHILDREN. THAT IS ALSO VERY WRONG, THAT IS NOT THIER RIGHT. BE YOUR SELF BUT PLEASE HAVE RESPECT.

religious nuts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 7:57 AM:My wife and i are both atheist, there wasn't any talk of god at our ceremony, we have a marriage licence from the county of San Diego, not from god. we are happily MARRIED and god had nothing to do with it. you bible thumpers need to stop pushing your religious views on to others and stop taking away peoples rights who happen to think differently. then again suppressing rights of minorities is the way this country works.

Tlbryman wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:00 AM:Proponents of 8 can now begin their true goal, sponsor taking away individual rights by separation in concentration camps. The largest group advocating support of passage, the “Christians”, win again with their lies and deceptive fear tactics. The sanctimonious are true cowards.

To Yes on 8 so-cal love wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM:People who think like you are exactly why this prop should have failed. I am straight and incredibly sad to live in a community/state/country where so many think it's acceptable to tell others how to live based on religion. I guess the church has really become state.

That aside ... please ... STOP YELLING! I have a headache.

To Why Not wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM:You forgot Prop 77: Marriage shall not be prohibited based on age. Any person of any age may marry any other person of any age.

Victory wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:03 AM:Now that we've imposed Biblical standards onto California family law, we can move ahead with our next Biblical goal: outlawing shellfish and cheeseburgers.

Paco wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:05 AM:I accept the fact that Obama was elected President. It was the will of the people. You anti-8 crowd should just accept the will of the people as well. Since polls have shown that African-Americans overwhelmingly voted for Prop 8, I guess it shows it really wasn't a civil rights issue after all.

Tide wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:06 AM:It is unbelievably amazing that Prop 8 could pass when you consider all of the advantages the No on 8 side had - Hollywood celebrities, a lap-dog media, the powerful teacher's union, the vast majority of big-city politicians, major corporations making big donations (thereby letting their employees know that they better fall in line), and a very charismatic presidential candidate telling them to vote no. If you remove any one of those factors, the pass rate goes up 7%. This was the best chance the No folks will ever have at defeating the silent majority. Go ahead and put it on the ballot again. Traditional marriage will always win.

To Loy wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:10 AM:God never said it was o.k in the new testament to be gay. He preached compassion for your fellow man. He forgave many sinners. But what does that have anything to do with America. Everybody want God out of Government issues, Now all of a sudden you want to bring God into governmant. I hate when people use God at their convenience, to hit people over the head with things. This is AMERICA, people came here to be free, not be persecuted. Freedom of religion, freedom of no religion is included too.

Married 24 Years wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:12 AM:Of course it would be better if there was some way to regulate heterosexual marriage, but the same loons who cry about their individual rights are the ones who would complain the most about adding restrictions to getting married. Who came up with the idea of "no fault" divorce? I can assure you it wasn't people who understand what a commitment is. I've been married a long time and it is hard work. It takes a true commitment to your spouse and it takes humility and trust. It takes tending, and time. It takes putting your spouse's needs before yours many times. It takes communication and listening. Love will not survive without all of these things.

Many have no clue what it involves. They invest more in the ceremony than they do in the relationship after. As such, we all have to live with those who don't understand the sanctity of marriage and treat it like a simple agreement until they no longer have use for it. That is wrong, and those types should not be marrying either.

The same problem would exist in the gay community.

Two wrongs wouldn't make a right.

jgreer wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:15 AM:If this does pass (and there's still 5% of precincts to report), all it means is that approximately 52% of the population of California are:

* Religious zealots who have written their religious beliefs into the state constitution.

* Total idiots for believing the lies that were told in those advertisements about same-sex marriage being taught in schools.

* Total frickin idiots for allowing the Mormon church in UTAH to rewrite the CALIFORNIA constitution to relfect THEIR religious beliefs.

Either way, it's sad that there are so many IGNORANT and biggoted people in this state.

We'll see what the U.S. Supreme court has to say about this.

And by the way, if you somehow manage to annul MY marriage (which I doubt you'll be able to accomplish), I WILL sue for a refund of the money I paid for my marriage license because I did not receive what I paid for. I think all 18,000+ of us should too!

What a great legacy you leave your children and grandchildren (and I guarantee SOME of them are going to be gay whether you like it or not). California: Equality for SOME.

Pathetic.

Discrimin8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:16 AM:Last night was a great day for the nation but a sad night for the state. I cannot believe that there are so many people out there that believe that people would freely choose to live a life that would cause people to hate them. People do not choose to be persecuted by fearful hateful people whose beliefs are so weak that they could not handle an opposing opinion to even exist. If the vote continues the way it is then a very slim majority managed to lie their way into amending the constitution and promoting Hate and Intolerance, two Family Values that I will not be passing on to my children. Due to the involvement of the Catholic Church in promoting DISCRINATION I will puling my two kids from catechism and looking for new church that doesn’t Discriminate based on how people are born. Call it protecting Marriage but it only comes down to people thriving on hate and if your beliefs and values are so week that two people falling in love and promising to devote their lives to one another and their families threatens you. Then your MORALS VALUES AND MARRAGRES ARE A JOKE. In the end nothing was being forced into churches or into peoples homes by those who believe that all people are equal under the law. Ironically it was the Intolerant, small minded, SMALL GOVERNMENT people that have forced their hate into the discussion.

Tlbryman wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:18 AM:Passage of this measure was based soley to win control over individual rights. The irony is that everyone will actually lose. Precluding rights for any group destroys the sanctity of equality and fortifies social dividers.

Norco wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:19 AM:It's discrimination no matter how you twist it. The Supreme Court alone should make the decision on this one...since too many people are caught up in believing everything they read in the Bible. Good common sense gets lost. We all know it hard enough to find love...try to focus on more important issues.

Liberty wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:27 AM:If the church wants to be involved in politics they need to start paying taxes.
If you voted yes on 8, you DO have a problem with gay people. You can justify any action with religion and this isn't any different. Separation of Church and State is important. I guess what they really want is liberty and justice for all Christian people. I hope I live to see the day when all people are treated equally regardless of their sexual orientation.
YES WE CAN.

Voice wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:31 AM:Those who have judged will also be judged.

To Paco wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:33 AM:I accept it because I believe in democracy ... but that does mean it's not absolutely nauseating to know that it's somehow acceptable to allow God to dictate the laws of the state.

The fact that blacks largely supported prop 8 doesn't example that it's not a civil rights issue ... just that it's not their civil rights issue.

Again, I will accept it ... but I will never like it. It has made me lose all faith in humanity, common sense and common decency. Obama won't have to take this country down. It's citizens are doing well enough of that on their own.

I dont believe it wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:35 AM:'Proposition 4, would require doctors to notify parents or guardians when minors seek an abortion, appeared to be headed for defeat.'... WHO could vote NO on this? So now a 13 year old can secretly have abortions, regardless that parents are 'responsible' for their children til age 18? I don't get it. On your daughter's wedding day, she comes to you and says "Mom I had 3 abortions but I never told you about them." And who PAYS? Oh, yeah another government program that taxes the PARENTS who have no choice? I don't believe it. If a 13 year old is mature enough to kill a life, why can't parents decide to emancipate them?

LOL wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:35 AM:Lets put God aside for a second. If gay marriages was so right, wouldn't it have been legal or tolerated thousands of years ago? Just wondering.

Defining Marriage wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:46 AM:In 1977 the California legislature clearly defined marriage as a legal bond between a man and a woman.

In 2003 the passage of the Domestic Partners Rights and Responsibilities Act in California extended to registered domestic partners virtually all of the rights and responsibilities of marriage.

In spite of what Prop 8 opponents claim, gay couples will still have the rights and responsibilities of married couples. But people do not want the homosexual agenda forced upon them. Such as:

Christian photographer sued for refusing to take photographs at a lesbian ceremony.

Physician sued for refusing to artificially inseminate a lesbian woman.

Firemen forced to participate in a gay pride parade.

All of the above examples could easily have been avoided. What happened to the live and let live philosophy claimed by those opposing Prop 8?

You can count wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:49 AM:the votes for President across America, but you can't count the votes in California by now? FRAUD!!!

Tlbryman wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:50 AM:Don't loose faith in humanity or the pureness that religion ought to hold. Remain faithful that at sometime in your lifetime, equality for all will forge a course to universal understanding. The self-righteous will no longer have the power to undermine rights and freedoms.

Threesome wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:51 AM:Arguements supporting gay marriage could also be used for polygamy. If you can't draw a line at one man & one woman, then you have to allow all social unions the right to marry, including polygamy. Otherwise you would be depriving rights (according to the no on 8 argument). This is why I do not agree with using the arguement that prop 8 takes away rights. A marriage is a marriage. It's not complicated.

Civil rights my foot wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:52 AM:Having frown up in the deep south during the turmoil of the Civil Rights movement, gays do NOT face the same challenges as those whose skin color was different from the citizens of Anglo-Saxon descent. Gays do NOT face the threat of physical harm when they exercise their right to vote. They are not confined to "separate but equal" education by governmental agencies (though some gays have established their own segregated institutions). Gays do not have to walk on a separate side of the street because of their skin color - use separate bathrooms, sit in the back of the bus, drink from separate water fountains from "straights". And to those who call the "yes on 8" voters bigots and idiots - who's judging who?

to LOY wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:53 AM:God never said it was o.k in the new testament to be gay. He preached compassion for your fellow man. He forgave many sinners. But what does that have anything to do with America. Everybody wants God out of Government issues, Now all of a sudden you want to bring God into governmant. I hate when people use God at their convenience, to hit people over the head with things. This is America Freedom of religion & freedom not to have religion too!

Disappointed wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:54 AM:How incredibly disappointing it is that on a night when we as a nation vote to elect the first African American president who IN HIS SPEECH states that "we are all Americans" despite race, gender, religous or sexual preference, that we as the state of California SO VEHEMENTLY say to Mr. Obama - no we're not. We're not all Americans, and we do NOT all deserve the same rights, freedoms and liberties. This morning I am proud to say that I am an American, but so very disappointed in the state of California. Hatred, bigotry, and discrimination are still alive in this country, despite how the nation voted last night. All we have to do is look at California's votes.

Maybe for Awhile wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:57 AM:Maybe for a while, we won't have to worry about legalizing all forms of marriage. Some examples include, between homosexuals or brothers and sisters or one man and mutiple woman or one woman and mutiple men or arranged marriages between a 12 year old and a 40year old.

The supporters of this proposition sold this as a civil rights issue. As many have pointed out, being a homosexual is a CHOICE! People are free to make that choice or not. The rest should have been obvious to everyone.

This has never been a civil rights issue, therefore, NO was the proper way to vote on this.

Sorry if that hurts your feelings but that is the way it is!

Question wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:58 AM:Does anybody know why we have so many churches and even more being built? Seems like there's a church for every Starbucks.

interesting wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:00 AM:What I find interesting is the tone of the different groups. The majority of those supporting 8 make their points without an attack mentality. The opposition resorts to name calling, vulgarity and childishness. Perhaps that is why they lost. I have no patience for those who spew ridiculousness, regardless of which side they represent.

TO Defining Marriage wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:10 AM:To: Defining Marriage
Reminds me of race discrimination when blacks weren't allowed to go to the same schools or drink from the same water fountain. Sometimes "forcing" change needs to happen because it's wrong. Personally I would just look for another physician or photographer rather than waste my time because I wouldn't want a "hater" around me. I would be sad about the firemen issue because they're gorgeous, but I would still move on.

U-haul available wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:14 AM:If you want to live immorally why don't you just move to Massachusetts and quit yer belly aching?

bodecea wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:15 AM:Congratulations to Jim Crow and his victory over Equality.

Now the state (and my taxes) have to pay to defend Segregation in a Federal Court of Appeals.

But....this religion in government thing is a two way street. Time for government to stick its nose in religion. Time to revoke their tax exempt status.

JB wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:15 AM:Well, I'm disappointed that Prop 8 may pass, but not completely surprised. I'm sure the Mormons feel they got their money's worth. My concern now is what proposition might be next to further push the Mormon agenda on those of us that aren't Mormon.

To interesting wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:16 AM:To: interesting
Wow...I actually thought the opposite. It seemed that "Yes on 8" folks were quite aggressive. Even using their kids to promote their cause at dangerous intersections. Seemed desparate at times. Interesting!

YES on 8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:20 AM:YES ON 8! YES ON 8! I'm glad this proposition has passed although I am disappointed with the outcome of the presidential election..it's a bittersweet moment. God has heard all prayers for this proposition and I am proud that people showed up to make that vote.

To interesting wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:21 AM:There was plenty of name calling & other childish behavior on both sides.

The no side consider Yes votes a personal attack.

The yes side consider No votes a sign of moral decay based on their God.

I don't believe that all the Yes voters are hateful bigots, but the 'because God said so' argument doesn't fly either.

What we've seen happen with the results of this prop far outreaches gay marriage. We (proverbially of course) have said that it is acceptable for the private beliefs of one to negatively affect the private lives & public rights of another.

To all the Yes voters ... be careful what you wish for. Next time it could be your rights that get trampled.

To all the No voters ... be afraid of the future because God talked about more than homosexuals. If God's law was able to be placed in the constitution for this ... there is still a lot of ground to cover.

wildomar wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:22 AM:I am so surprised that the mormon church would so strongly go after a minorty group such as gays since in the history of their own church they have been ridiculed and made fun of and sucked into other branches of peaple claiming they are part of the church in order to have several wives, so I ask why not show compassion and understanding when you yourself ask the same?

michelle wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:23 AM:The triumph of the Obama win was quickly overshadowed with the reality that Americans don't hate less than they did 50 years ago their has just been redirected. What was shaping up to be an amazing day has turned into a sad sad day. I ashamed of Californians.

FYI- I'm a teacher... what do you think I will be teaching your kids tomorrow when I go back to work. I took the day off to morn...

You Think You Won wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:26 AM:The Yes side has lost. What you have actually done is destroyed marriage for everyone in the civil form. The state will not be able to recognize marriage anymore since it now discriminates. The courts have already ruled that the state cannot discriminate which marriage now does. So now what? The state now must get rid of marriage and offer only civil unions to all. Marriage will now only be a religious ceremony.

Urban Blight wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:27 AM:Both the militant social activists (No on 8) and the religious zealots (Yes on 8) should FOCUS on tearing down all those ugly signs off taxpayer streets and roads than waste their time on this board. Both sides stink.

President Elect Obama wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:39 AM:Even said he does not condone same sex marriages. At least one point that I agree with him on.

To Religious Nuts wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:50 AM:Learn how to spell before you post. Your spelling indicates your belief....ignorance.

YES on 8 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:51 AM:YES ON 8! YES ON 8! I'm glad this proposition has passed although I am disappointed with the outcome of the presidential election..it's a bittersweet moment. God has heard all prayers for this proposition and I am proud that people showed up to make that vote.

So Cal Native wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:51 AM:The Basics:

Mother Nature (I didn't say God or a Religion) says the Lower Bowel is an Exit. An exit wonderfully designed to complete the digestion process and facilitate fecal evacuation.

The Shrieking Vocal MINORITY insists that this exit orifice is an OMNI Directional Orifice. To be fair, that issue may be pleasurable to some but it is NOT Mother Nature's design.

IT IS NOT NORMAL. Can it be accepted as a practice preferred by some? Sure. But to force the majority of society to say THAT practice is as Normal as Heterosexual copulation is, well, very very wrong There's more argument but that's enough for this post. WE WON!!

Jip wrote on Nov 5, 2008 9:59 AM:Maybe we should put an amendment on the next ballot stating that homosexuals only count as 3/5th of a human for the purpose of population counting.

Nobama wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:03 AM:at least conservatives won something
YES on 8

so sad wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:05 AM:How was God created? The answer that He/she has just always been here does not fly. Eventually Gay marriage will pass. My God is mother nature, she made Gays & straights. 70 mil wasted on this prop while children suffer. Shame on you

Ryan wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:06 AM:Fifty years from now, when our kids clean up this mess, the Yes on 8 people will be pretty embarassed as to how they dragged their feet when the issue of equality came up.

Rodney K wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:07 AM:Whay can't we all just get along?

WHO-ME wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:11 AM:Sorry You think you won, but the ruling in which the courts said the state can't discriminate against gay marriage is WHAT PROP 8 OVERTURNED. The passage of Prop 8 only eliminates marrriage between same sex couples, it does not eliminate the civil union of same sex couples nor ANY of the rights they enjoy under that protection.

Unconstitutional wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:14 AM:Those of you who voted "yes" enjoy this while you can. This ban is unconstitutional and will be overturned. Wrong is wrong and you all know it. You have made it perfectly clear to thousands of people that they do not deserve happiness. Shame on you. This has nothing to do with protecting your kids. In fact, you've harmed your own children by spreading hate and showing them that happiness is only allowed for a chosen few. If your child is homosexual you've done two things: 1) You've told them their lifestyle is wrong and 2) You have told them they do not deserve to be happy. Shameful.
Religion has no business in law. What else does the "Invisible Man in the Sky" tell you to do?

Connie wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:15 AM:Yes on 8!

Another SoCal Native wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:16 AM:Hasn't anyone heard of the gay penguins from Central Park. Don't try to tell me Mother Nature doesn't support this when two male penguins were together for six years. Also, if you knew anything about anatomy, the prostate is in the anus which is equal to the woman's G spot. And yes you defeated a bunch of people who only take up ten percent of the entire population, good for you. I am so glad we still preserve the separation of church and state.

To Happy Sad wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:18 AM:"..protect traditional marriage"? Protect it from what? A gay marriage doesn't threaten my marriage at all.

to everyone wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:18 AM:What is done behind closed doors is your business. Do not push your agenda on our family values and moral values.
and stating that Yes ON 8 was racist is a joke. We will never legitimize man and man and woman and woman ever in this state. It is a dead issue.
You have the right to disagree. You do not have the right to MARRY. Marriage is between a women and a man PERIOD.
Morally, Biblcally ans socially.

yeah wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:20 AM:WE won!!! WE won.
YES ON 8

NEVER NEVER
Thank God

Pleasemove out of the state if you do not like it.

Thanksin advance.

Michele wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:21 AM:Celebrate hate, but tomorrow this will go to courts. Whether you allow the "word" marriage or not,there will still be gay people, families, and examples in life. Now, more than ever people will be shouting it from the rooftops, so you better believe it WILL BE "shoved down your throats". Now, more than ever we know "yes we can" and that includes EVERYONE. What's next? A ban on divorce? Living together? Atheism? I weep for this state.I struggle with how I will tell my children that half of California preaches hate in the name of God, and how separation of church and state has failed us.

WHO-ME wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:23 AM:"UNCONSTITIONAL"

You are so wrong, I'm sad for you and all in your community, but, I shall pray for all of you and treat you all as equals, "different", but equal.

To Who-Me wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:25 AM:You have overturned all Marriages. The courts have already ruled you can't discriminate, so the only thing the gov't can now do is eliminate marriage all together. This is not the outcome you wanted, but the outcome you will get.

NorthCountyNative wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:33 AM:Michelle,
If that is the case...you shouldn't be a teacher anyway. I wouldn't want you anywhere near my kids.

The NO voters will take the matter up in court. It doesn't matter what the maj. vote is.

CC wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:39 AM:For me the actions of both sides did not sway my judgement to vote yes on 8, nor is it religion - for me it was the fact that the ca courts overturning a decision we already made. If we allow the courts to get away with disregarding the way voters chose in the first place, then we will lose our democracy. Can't you see we would turn into a 3rd world country of we lose our democracy?

Get Real wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:41 AM:Honest Again
[-] wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:05 AM:
A very, very telling statistic is that 74% of African American women voted YES on 8 (according to the exit poll). I think this demographic, more than any other group, understands how devastating it is for children to not be raised by both biological parents. Gay marriage, by design, intentionally removes one biological parent from the picture. We have enough families that don't meet the two-parent ideal; we did not need to create a new family structure that gurantees that one parent will be permantently missing. Thank you brave black women!
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DOES THIS MEAN THAT ADOPTION IS WRONG?

YOU'RE ALL RIDICULOUS.

MGHTY MAN wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:46 AM:God Bless America... Thanks to those who voted YES. Please stay in the closet and out our schools.

John wrote on Nov 5, 2008 10:56 AM:re: Prop 8.
It is a sad day for enlightenment. It shows that still way too many people are obsessed with god, guns, and gays. It's not like we straights have the marriage thing wired. And leave religion out of it... my marriage is legal, moral, and non-religious.

nate wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:02 AM:to north county native.

if you dont care what the majority vote is, why should we care what a minority group thinks.

Maybe you should not let your emotions get the best of you

Its over wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:09 AM:All you bible thumpers and closet closers it's over. Pick up your signs and go home. You guys are pathetic.

Parent wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:10 AM:Now the same folks are going back to the California Supreme Court. What, now it's unconstitutional to amend our constitution? What additional havoc can this court raise after having allowed false marriages for several months rather than stay their order pending outcome of Prop. 8?

Its Over wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:21 AM:Can we move on now. It's the law you have to marry someone of the opposite sex. It should never have had to be a law, but now you have it. And please stop comparing the strife and struggle of the gay comunity, to that of the civils rights in the black communities of the 50's and 60's. A gay person can eat an sleep in the same hotel as a straight person, that wasn't allowed during the civil rights. You can eat in the same restaraunts, drink from the same water fountain as straight people, you have the right to choose what school you go to, that wasn't allowed, so PLEASE stop with the comparison to the CIVIL RIGHTS struggle. And to those that want to turn it over in court, remember who put you in office the VOTERS !

Teri wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:30 AM:God institued marriage, not man, so therefore he can make the rules. One man and One woman. That was God's plan from the beginning. God did not condone multiple wives and if you read your Bible, you will see that everytime man decided to change God's laws (with more than one wife) is lead to trouble. So to say that, that is how it was in early civilazations is a flawed arguement. God also calls homosexuality wicked. So if you don't like the rules take it up with God after you die, but since at that time you will be begging for your life, I am sure you will forget to ask about this.

Over wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:34 AM:Oh, it's only just begun. Now we have a reason to fight. Slavery WAS a law...segregation WAS a law...laws change...

What about 4 wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:38 AM:What amazes me is the outpouring of support for Proposition 8 from the religious groups. Now think of this you pro-8ers, what if you spent your efforts and money on Prop 4 vs. Prop 8. I didn’t see one Pro-4 sign with your cluster of yellow signs. If you had focused on 4 with your energy, you might have stopped some abortions. Instead, your hatred for gays distracted you and your efforts. Essentially speaking, with your own thought process, you may have inadvertently “killed” some unborn babies…….. Shame on you!!!!!

Cardiffian wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:43 AM:I really hoped that 8 would fail. Californians are now faces with a constitutinal crises. Prop 8 is in violation the the constitutions due process clause. The courts will have to iron this one out by using legal principles, precedent, and thoughtful analysis. Unfortunately, this particular legal nuance will escape the anti-same sex marriage crowd who will rail agaist "liberal judges" who go "against the will of the people". On another note, I am so glad to see that americans have decided to put an end to the dark days of the Bush administration. The next 4 years are going to be tough - we now have to pay for the last 8 - but we will come out of it better and stronger.

unbelieveable wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:43 AM:This is a sad day in our state. Discrimination is hatred. I am disappointed that fear and ignorance allowed a mass of people to impose their "values" and deny rights to people who aren't harming anyone, just living their lives. It's just gross.

To michelle wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:47 AM:It is indeed a sad day when teachers can't even spell. All teachers should be ashamed. I'm "morning" also.

I cant wait... wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:48 AM:My plan is turn the world GAY by Tuesday:)

John wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:49 AM:Hate wins the day.

To interesting wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:49 AM:Ummm, I believe it was the "YES" side that turns to talk of incest and beastiality...sick minds...

michelle wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:52 AM:It is actually mourning... It was a typo, no big deal. I hate the spelling police!

hey hey wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:55 AM:We should make it so only cool people can marry.