LETTERS: NCT, Nov. 6, 2008
By Readers of the North County Times | ∞
Tri-City board not being kept apprised
A community member informed me of a meeting occurring either on or about Oct. 13 or 15 with members of the Tri-City Hospital District administration. ...
At this meeting, discussion regarding new positions on facility seismic correction options, mandates SB 1953, HAZUS program and interviewing 1,000 community members, etc., ensued. This meeting took place seven to nine days prior to a scheduled special board meeting to be held Oct. 22 for the whole board to review, discuss and make important decisions regarding the same issues. However, the board was not given information to review and study until the evening of the special meeting.
I requested a special board meeting at the Aug. 28 board meeting to discuss and review options and plans that the board should have had in place prior to the bond failure. This request was negated by Mr. Shallock and some board members, delaying discussion until the Sept. 25 board meeting and again until Oct. 22.
Further, I did some research regarding HAZUS (and extension of deadline 1953 to 2030), and called OSHA, only to learn that unfinished follow-up procedural information by the administration was lacking. Keep transparency and the board appropriately apprised.
RoseMarie Reno
Tri-City Health District board member
Oceanside
Cruisin' Grand numbers down
What alternate universe was Debra Rosen on when she reported "The Best of Cruisin' Grand" in the latest Downtown Escondido Magazine? ... She only had to walk up and down Grand Avenue during the events to see that the numbers of people were down –– way down –– from prior successful years. She only has to talk to the business owners to find out that their business was down –– way down –– from prior successful years.
She only has to talk to people who have attended prior years' Cruisin' Grand and who have sworn off going back to the way it is now. They say it's just not fun anymore, that it's not a place where families can go and have a really good time.
I have read all of the Letters to the Editor that have appeared in North County Times regarding Cruisin' Grand, and I have hesitated to write my own opinion until I read Rosen's report, and then nothing could stop me. This town is deluding itself if they believe her.
Let's go back to the way it was –– including getting the Downtown Business Association out of this and putting Steve Waldron back at the helm of running this event.
E. Diane Beyer
Escondido
We all love America
If we learn nothing else from this election, please let us learn this one thing: The incredible energy and enthusiasm displayed nationwide over these past few months proves once and for all that we are a nation of passionate America-lovers, not haters.
It's time to stop ranking patriotism. We may have differing opinions as to how we think this country is best served and protected, but make no mistake about it, we all love her equally, and the sooner this argument stops, the stronger we will be.
Kim Perl
Carmel Valley
State is in the business of marriage
Re: "Prop. 8 and the churches," Nov. 2: I know this is too late to be of use to the elections, which was, I'm sure, the intention of Scott Harris when he wrote his article this past weekend in the North County Times.
It was interesting to note his opinion that "the state should be in the civil union business and churches should handle marriages." That would be great if the state weren't the one to demand buying a state license before getting married.
Also, the state is the instrument that demands that the person performing the ceremony of marriage have either permanent or temporary authorization to carry out same. Most people would like to see less of any government control in their lives.
Ruth Frost
San Marcos
Did Republican change his tactics?
About a dozen years ago, Republicans held a meeting in San Diego headed by now Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour who, after Katrina, gave a clean-up job contract to his biggest contributor, who did nothing, and the Army Corps of Engineers completed the job at taxpayers' expense.
During the San Diego get-together, Barbour made a trip to Hong Kong with some other Republican high-ups and met with a Chinese billionaire. [As a result of that meeting, Barbour was accused of accepting a bribe] ... and Barbour was forced to step down.
During the San Diego meeting, I received a large packet of official-looking documents and photos suitable for framing, machine-signed by Barbour, and a letter stating my peers had reported I was a "person of influence," and as a fellow Republican, I should join their group. He also asked for $1,000. I enclosed a note saying I was a proud liberal Democrat, returned the postage-prepaid packet and said someone must be playing a joke on them.
Since Barbour's shenanigans got so much publicity during Katrina, I wonder how he handled the aftermath of Ike.
Joseph Grant
Oceanside
Cruising about much more than food
Re: "You haven't lived until you've dined on a ship," Letters, Oct. 31: I, too, just returned from a Mexican cruise and want to say, there is so much more about cruising than the food (though it's wonderful). There are the Broadway shows with professional singers and dancers, the daily passenger games and the great care given by the staff. We were really pampered.
By the time you return home, you're already planning your next cruise. What a life! By the way, I'm 88 years old and can't wait until my next cruise.
June Razzano
Oceanside
Ignorance on display
I was driving down Harding Street on Monday morning and I saw a swastika with the words "White Power" spray-painted on a fence. First I thought, wow. But, after giving it more thought, I was happy to think that we live in a country where we can say such things (although destroying property is never OK!) when we please. Even though it's not OK to do so, it is legal.
So to the person who decided to voice their ignorant opinion, congratulations on letting us all know you are an idiot, and keep up the good work. And just so you can keep spouting stupidity, this Hispanic soldier will carry on, and fight for your right to be ignorant.
You should join the military some time; it will really open your eyes as to what we do for the freedom of the land. Never mind; I wouldn't want to share a foxhole with a coward who hides behind anonymity. Never mind the fact that people who do such things are ignorant racists.
Sinuhe Montoya
Escondido
Obama victory is win for the country
President-elect Obama's victory is a win for all Americans. I have great confidence he will lead us out of the recession and a responsible exit out of Iraq. Sen. McCain is an honorable man; maybe he can run in 2012 or 2016. He says he still in great shape.
Vice President-elect Biden will be fantastic. I was an intern in his office in the early 1990s and I am originally from Delaware. He is known for his integrity. We are in great hands.
John Ramirez
Rancho Bernardo
You can keep your check
Will you please release a special edition North County Times issue bearing the names and addresses of all the current San Diego families making over $250k a year? I and several million other proud Americans will be forwarding the money President Obama sends us back to the people who rightfully earned it.
Steven Press
Carlsbad
Bigger, greedier government is on the way
I keep underestimating the stupidity of America. Every time I think we'll get out of a mess we got ourselves in, we dug a little deeper. ...
We're in a financial mess because of greed, and we hand over the reins to the Democrats, who are known to love our money and think we're too stupid to handle it ourselves. Well, America, by a 2-to-1 ratio, you elected another pretty face into the White House. Too bad that's not part of the qualifications. And too bad, unlike our Hollywood people, I don't have enough money to move out of the country. Unlike actors such as Alec Baldwin, I would make good on the promise.
Enjoy your bigger, greedier government. I'll be hiding under the bed with my gun –– loaded.
Don Snyder
Oceanside
Times are changing for our nation
California went for President Barack Obama by a decisive 24 percent. Newspapers in San Francisco, San Jose and Los Angeles endorsed Obama for president, as did most major newspapers throughout the country, but not here in San Diego County.
Recall that the Southern states were Democratic prior to the 1970s. But after the civil rights law was passed during the Johnson presidency, ensuring minorities had the right to vote, the South became Republican. Many white people were opposed to letting "those people" have the right to vote.
Less than 90 years ago, women were not allowed to vote. At one time, only white males who owned property were allowed to vote. Those in power want to retain power.
The North County Times editorial board represents the same viewpoint as found in states like South Carolina and other parts of the former segregated South. Times are changing. Most of us do not earn over $250,000 a year. There are really more so-called middle-class people.
By the way, Barack Obama's grandmother's grandfather came from Ireland. Barack is not a black president. He is the U.S. president.
Daniel Lynch
Vista
Is this what God really wants?
The Christianity that I learned as a child was about tolerance, that God and Jesus loved everyone, that one atoned for whatever sins were accumulated in life to God. I gave up that fairy tale a long time ago when I realized it really was a nightmare story concocted to enable the few to hold power over the masses through fear –– fear that people different from you might change the status quo, rock the boat, take from you what you had acquired, your place in society, your material goods.
All you Christians with your "Yes on 8" signs and fear and enthusiastic intolerance, is that really what your god wanted from you, or is it what your church leaders psyched you up to do? What are you so afraid of? My children have gay friends. It didn't make them gay. My husband and I have been married 32 years; I cannot imagine how a gay couple's marriage would have any effect on our union.
Let people who are doing you no harm live their lives with all the benefits you have –– and if there are sins to be accounted for in an afterlife, let your god take care of it.
Cheryl Arney
Vista
A small victory indeed
Re: Proposition 8's passing: Winning the right to discriminate is a small victory indeed.
Jennifer Jones
Del Mar
Congratulations President Barack Obama!
Congratulations to Barack Obama! He is our new president, and I hope he does particularly well. If he does well, our country does well and each of us as individuals does well.
In my lifetime, the country survived FDR, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter and George W. Bush. The Founding Fathers created a system of checks and balances whereby it is extremely difficult not to do well. President Barack Obama has proved it. With malice for none; with charity for all –– A. Lincoln.
Proud to be an American.
Fred Schnaubelt
Rancho Bernardo
Government hiding facts on Vietnam POWs
There was an article in The Nation from Oct. 6 by Sydney H. Schanberg that talked about how John McCain was involved in hiding the fact that there were POWs left in Vietnam.
After the signing of the peace treaty in January 1973, the Vietnamese released 591 POWs, and one of them was John McCain. North Vietnamese Gen. Tran Van Quang told the members of the Hanoi Politburo four months before the 1973 peace accords that Hanoi was holding 1,205 Americans prisoner, but would keep many of them at war's end as leverage to ensure getting reparations from Washington. This was discovered by an American scholar in the 1990s. The reparations were never paid, and the POWs never came home.
After much evidence and public pressure, a Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA was set up in 1991. The chairman was John Kerry, but McCain was its most pivotal member. McCain and our government suppressed or tried to discredit this information. ... This just shows how much our government cares about we the people. They don't give a damn about out military personnel, and John McCain is no different. ... There is so much to this report, so check it out. The name of the article is "Why has John McCain blocked info on MIAs?"
Chris Pulse
Vista
Night of the living dead
Nov. 4 marked the end of objective politics in America. The American electorate, completely dumbed down by the liberal media (most newspapers, all major TV stations and public schools) has elected a troika of three dysfunctional politicians (Reid, Pelosi, Hussein Obama) to steer this country –– those who believe in them are mightily mistaken.
The Republicans, not learning from the mishap of Sen. Dole, picked another elderly, slightly handicapped nominee who was sure to lose in our cosmetic, shallow and easily deceived electorate. Groups who vote 90 percent to 10 percent in favor of a candidate, and the immature and emotional who think they can change the nature of the world with a peace sign and an assuage of guilt, will soon learn they are living in fantasyland –– socialism is here, now you'll have to deal with it!
P.S. Congratulations to the 8 percent of this group and 47,000,000 who were not bamboozled by this fraud!
Richard Cole
Encinitas
Participation in democracy applauded
In my 36 years of living in Encinitas, I witnessed a seldom-seen phenomenon this past weekend and Election Day. Dozens of women –– primarily very young women ––- out on the streets (four corners of Leucadia Boulevard and El Camino Real) of Encinitas. They were standing in the rain, holding handmade signs and urging passing motorists to vote "no" on Proposition 8.
In an age of cynicism, when pundits say the young are not involved in the election process, I was jazzed to see their enthusiastic participation in the democratic process.
Carol Swift
Encinitas
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Parental Notification wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:05 AM:Prop 4 was defeated with a 48% to 52% vote. Prop 4 would have required doctors to notify an adult family member within 48 hours before performing an abortion on a
non-emancipated minor. Notice that did not require consent, only notification
A review by county on the secretary of state’s web site shows most counties were 57% or higher in favor of it. In fact several counties were above 67% for it.
The overall count was brought down by only several counties where prop 4 had strong opposition.
Now look at proposition 2, to give farm animals more room.
It passed by 63% statewide while having many counties supporting it by over 70%.
It is incredible that the voters in California would choose to provide greater protection to farm animals than young girls and babies!
How could increased regulations to protect farm animals be an overwhelming success, while a majority of voters failed to approve a measure providing for the protection of our children? It does not seem right!
Florida Marriage wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:14 AM:In Florida, Proposition 2 to have a constitutional change specifying MARRIAGE means ONE man and ONE woman passed November 4 this year by 62% to 38%.
Arizona Marriage wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 AM:In Arizona, Proposition 102 to have a constitutional change specifying MARRIAGE means a man and a woman passed November 4 this year by 56% to 44% despite active opposition. Another reason the ratio was lower it is already in the law there for a man and a woman and some people thought the that law that enough.
For Palin wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:34 AM:The votes counted in Alaska so far for President McCain and Sarah Palin are winning 61% to Obama 36%. She is obviously popular there. That lady has talent. Some people in TV are suggesting she would do well hosting a TV show. By the way, did you all know that Huckleberry has his own weekly TV show weekends on Fox Cable for several weeks now as well as being a frequent guest on several of their news commentary programs during the week.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:42 AM:>>>In an age of cynicism, when pundits say the young are not involved in the election process, I was jazzed to see their enthusiastic participation in the democratic process.>> First of all, they were too young to vote. Second of all, if they didnt stand there with their cute little H8 placard, they would have failed their class
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 5:44 AM:I sent an email to Ann Landers to ask if was proper etiquette for people to ask for the wedding gifts back.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:08 AM:>>>There was an article in The Nation from Oct. 6 by Sydney H. Schanberg that talked about how John McCain was involved in hiding the fact that there were POWs left in Vietnam.>>>> Now, here we have a real genius. The Japanese and Russians kept prisoners in WWII, the NKoreans & Chinese kept prisoners in the Korean War, and there are dozens of organizations who have sent operatives into Vietnam (like Chuck Norris) to find MIA's and POWS. The whole world know the filthy Chinese and Vietnamese kept prisoners, that is, except for the America hater, ...
Wanda wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:24 AM:Actually, Chris Pulse, the election is over now. The time for "Swift Boating" has (thankfully) past. We were all kind of hoping for some sort of "healing" and "cooperation" now.
Bob wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:35 AM:Still more links to terrorists were deliberately hidden during the campaign. As Daniel Lynch points out: "...Barack Obama's grandmother's grandfather came from Ireland." Could Obama's relative be the "luckiest Muslim in all of Ireland"?
Roger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:45 AM:Don Snyder is, apparently, taking the election results pretty hard:
"I'll be hiding under my bed with my gun..."
If wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:55 AM:If there were, at the federal level, laws in place that guaranteed no difference in treatment of gay and straight civil unions under the law, I would not mind the word "marriage" being defined as the people in several states have shown they want it to be defined. That's a big "if", though. But it's crucial.
Congratulations wrote on Nov 6, 2008 6:57 AM:Congratulations to Escondido for electing Olga Diaz to the City Council. She will bring a much-needed breath of fresh air to that body, fresh ideas, and an honest dedication to the well being of her town.
Wanda wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:02 AM:Richard Cole seems to be taking the inevitable election of Obama pretty hard, and blames it on: "The American electorate, completely dumbed down by the liberal media..."
It's that evil liberal media again!
In much the same way that meteorologists do not "create" the weather, journalists do not "create" the news.
A rainy day is a rainy day, no matter how you spin it.
A ruinously expensive, counterproductive war, is a ruinously expensive, counterproductive war, no matter how you spin it.
Duke wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:06 AM:Just wanted to thank Karl for the write in vote.
Has anybody heard anything about my pardon?
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:07 AM:A couple of things from yesterday.
Alf
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:55 AM:Well, "Chuck" at 4:04PM,
would YOU accept a "civil union" or a "domestic partnership" in place of a "marriage" for YOURSELF?
If not, WHY not?
Personally I don't care what my marriage/union is called, only that is happy. 20 years with only one major arguement. My folks and my sisters will tell you that is not a testament to me but my patient and loving wife. For the record, that one arguement was definitely my fault.
Alf
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:18 AM:
I used trig also Alf and was one of the very few in the field. You would have impressed me. I am a degreed electrical engineer (go Cal Poly SLO) so math functions weren't a problem for me years ago. Also would line up a run of rafters and cut them all at the same time using the trusty widowmaker (large circular saw) and a router with a jig for the birds mouth.
To Cluck
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 4:26 AM:
We'll be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!
When you least expect it, expect it.
Ann wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:13 AM:No, Chuck, at 5:44 AM, asking for the return of wedding presents is rude. You and Ron may keep these :)
Ron wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:20 AM:What? Joseph Grant?
No praise for "SchoolBus" Nagin?
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:25 AM:Oh contrar Wanda. Journalists may not create the news (the jury is out) but they certainly recreate it in their own image.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:27 AM:LOL. the gat racketeers are now promising suit after suit agains the churches and organizations like the BoyScouts. Big deal. That was going to happen whether they won or lost. And, its also the reason the electorate told them to go shove it
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:30 AM:Ah Duke you old prankster. I see that the Gray Bar Inn has not spoiled your sense of humor.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:31 AM:>>We were all kind of hoping for some sort of "healing" and "cooperation" now.>>
I, for one, prefer the dirt as opposed to healing and cooperation. What good is a civilized board??
Bob wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:31 AM:Well, Chris Pulse, Wanda, at 6:24, is right. In the immortal words of that great American poet / philosopher, Buddy Holly:
"I guess it doesn't matter anymore."
Chuck, at 6:08 AM, not having read the article, misses Chris' point (again). McCain has been deliberately obstructing investigations into the Vietnam POW/MIA's for years. There are a lot of unanswered questions, which McCain does not want answered.
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:39 AM:I'm with Ron at 7:20 am, I still wonder why Nagin and Governor what's-her-name didn't receive more credit.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:46 AM:Well, "Wanda" at 7:02AM,
now you know why I have, several times, referenced the song "I'm the Slime" by Frank Zappa. The lyrics are great.
Regards, Alf.
Eyes Wide Open wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:48 AM:"Everything we shut our eyes to, everything we run away from, everything we deny, denigrate, or despise, serves to defeat us in
the end. What seems painful can become a source of beauty, joy, and
strength, if faced with an open mind. Every moment is a golden one
for him who has the vision to recognize it as such." Henry Miller
Roger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:54 AM:Wow, Karl, at 7:07 AM, I used trigonometry too! Calculated hip and valley rafters on a 6:12 roof to be 6:16.97056274 (long hand, didn't bring my slide rule). Old guy just cut them at 6:17, 'cause that's what his father did (and there weren't any decimals on his framing square anyhow).
Cal. Poly., S.L.O. class of '71 (architecture)
Ron wrote on Nov 6, 2008 7:55 AM:Now, what did I just tell you yesterday?
It's on display today in Daniel Lynch's letter.
QUOTE: "
The North County Times editorial board represents the same viewpoint as found in states like South Carolina and other parts of the former segregated South." END Quote
I have warned you that simply the election of Barackous NObamous is not enough. The anger is still raging inside the liberal veins, and according to them, it is not enough that you hope & pray NObama is a successful president.
Naw, naw, naw.... a little wrong Rev. Wright lingo there.
No, in order for you to appease them, youwill need to go along. You will be required to conform.
So, if you believe, as I believe, that government run healthcare will be a disaster for the nation, simple American disagreement will not be tolerated. In fact, you will be labeled a malcontent, a "bitter clinger."
If you don't believe in redistribution, and "spreading the wealth around", you will be labeled as selfish. As greedy, and as unwilling to help America.
This is the more dangerous side to the cult movement of Barackous Nobamous.
I just heard a "journalist" the other night, in fact, I heard several say the same thing, that now "We will finally find out who Barack is."
Huh? Wasn't that your job leading up to this point in time?
But, it is the mindset that is scary.
This not knowing, but believing everything.
Barackous says we will be called upon to do things to help America.
Well, what if I don't believe those are good things for America?
In Daniel Lynch's mind, the response is clear.. very clear.
You will be equated with the segregated south, or not allowing women to vote.
I'm telling you, the rage still rages, and those who oppose the Liberal Utopia, will be dealt with.
And they will be dealt with on behalf of the utopia, for the collective good.
Nobamous has already telegraphed some of his appointments to the Vanguard, first on the list: John Podesta, known talk raido assassin.
Next, Rahm Emanuel who's own enemy's list would make Nixon cringe. ...
Yes, those winds of change they are a blowing....
Tolerance, I predict, will no longer be a liberal value, you "bitter clingers" will be dealt with.. in time.
Wanda wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:01 AM:Good point, Chuck, at 7:31 AM, I was wondering how long this "can't we all just get along would" last.
I was bored already :)
To Cheryl Arney wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:03 AM:So true!! I don't know why the Christians and the Churches got so worked up over this issue. Those who sin will answer for those sins and that includes all those intolerant Christians!!! Christians get divorced all the time and the bible says God hates divorce! Christians commit adultery and God hates that too. Its seems these people living in glass houses threw many stones and they will reap what they sow.
He knows drama wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:07 AM:Don Snyder sure knows drama. I think it is time to hand the reins over to the Democrats after all the Republicans have held the reins too long and have brought us to this place! I voted for Bush twice but this time I voted for Barack Obama not because he has a pretty face but because he has VISION!! Stay under your bed Don but please take your head out of the sand long enough to realize the people have spoken!!!
Ron wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:09 AM:This is how you know the kool-aid, or..
whatever was in the kool-aid has taken it's effect.
John Ramirez...
While I can understand, if your a one issue voter, that the election of
Barackous NObamous is a victory.
But this next part is genuine "my brain is out to lunch today" thinking. LOL
QUOTE: "Vice President-elect Biden will be fantastic." END Quote
Joe NOBiden was wrong on the first Gulf War according to the world. He was wrong on the 2nd Iraq War, he voted for it. He had this kooky idea about partitioning the country, which nobody but him... thought a good idea.
And ta boot, NObama supposedly secured him as VP BECAUSE of his "expertise & experience."
As I've said, if it's all about judgement, he ain't showing any.
I guess this next part explains why:
QUOTE: "I was an intern in his office in the early 1990s and I am originally from Delaware. He is known for his integrity. We are in great hands." END Quote
He is known for his "integrity", Hmmmm?
Integrity: comprises perceived consistency of actions...
But what if your actions are consistantly wrong?
jvc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:10 AM:To all these learned bloggers:
What do we do about about providing
our people with universal health care?
Is health care the domain of the private sector or public sector?
This MUST be decided before all other issues!
A few things wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:20 AM:Many things will not change with Obama's election. Our troops are still in Iraq, for some reason, and are also doing plain lousy in Afghanistan/Pakistan. The economy is in the tank. Etc. But a few things will change. When our President talks to us, he will speak adult English, and will actually communicate with us. He may even inspire us sometimes. The world has already changed its view of us, since 80% of the people out there were pulling for Obama, which in their eyes meant pulling for the America they remember and admire. There will be a whole lot less secrecy in the executive branch, which just has to be good for our democracy. And the entire culture of plain meanness, while I know it will continue to rant from FoxNews, Rush, and the usuals here, will, in the nation at large, be turned down enormously. A lot of us feel that there's work to do and a President we can at least respect. I believe that Obama will attempt to lead in a more bipartisan way (as McCain would've if he'd won), so it will be up to the Republicans in Congress and in the country to accept this invitation or to choose the nastiness that cost them this election. I pray that despite the Bush/Cheney/Rove years, they still have a better nature to appeal to.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:21 AM:>>>asking for the return of wedding presents is rude. You and Ron may keep these :)>>> Thank you, because theses vases are just precious
To Don Snyder wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:22 AM:Don, i'm with you, bud..i can't believe the stupidity of some Americans, either..not all of them, mind you, just the ones who have those stupid college degrees and believe in those theories of evolution and global warming..they overwhelmingly voted for Obama...the smart Americans, like you and me, who believe that the earth is flat and only six thousand years old and who talk to our magic friends up in the sky, we overwhelmingly voted for Palin and McCain..but what can we expect from those commie college indoctrinated elitists?..they don't have the benifit of the education that you and i have received from FOX News, Pat Robertson, Rush Limbaugh and Bennie Hinn..and that's why we find ourselves where we are today...ain't it a shame?
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:24 AM:>>Calculated hip and valley rafters on a 6:12 roof to be 6:16.97056274 (long hand, didn't bring my slide rule).>>
I admire enginners that can do that, but I also refuse to play golf with them because they have to calculate wind speed and direction down to 8 decimals too, and they are forever on a golf course.
Wanda wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:27 AM:Chill out, Ron. Ann, at 7:13 AM, says you can keep the presents.
Ahhhh wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:27 AM:Take a breath of that nice, clear, Autumn air, folks. Sarah Palin is back in Alaska, in those days of 18-hour darkness that suit her so well. Raoul, proven wrong by the people out here in reality, is warming up to begin his daily attacks, also false, on Obama. Ron is already reposting his posts. Chuck is as ecstatic as a homosexual-fearing man can be, this tempered only by the knowledge that their fight for equal rights will, of course, end up in the courts, tested against the Constitution that he has so much contempt for. John McCain goes back to the Senate, and will return to being John McCain, the man of principle and honor, who I know will work with the President and actually put the country first again, like he always used to. No wonder this is a time of hope. A national nightmare is over, and although reality is pretty scary right now, we can finally begin actually dealing with it, one step at a time. Ahhhh.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:31 AM:Well, "Karl" at 7:07AM,
a skilsaw with a nail can do some serious damage.
About gay marriage, I'll wait to see if "Chuck" tosses a good one-liner at that one.
You're paws-oh-lutely right about the relationship making any marriage work.
Regards, Alf.
Chuck wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:34 AM:>>>Its seems these people living in glass houses threw many stones and they will reap what they sow.>> Thats right. You sued the churches, you sued the BoyScouts, you entrapped the kiddies in the schools behind the backs of the parents, you jammed SB777 down our throats, and on Tuesday, you did reap what you sowed, and got what you richly deserved.
jvc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:38 AM:No need to use the angles of plane trigonometry to calculate the sides
of a RIGHT triangle! Just use Pythagorean
Theorem of "A" square plus "B" SQUARE
equals "C" square!
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:53 AM:A few things
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:20 AM:
Ahhhh
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:27 AM:...great posts, however the part about McCain crossing the aisle - I'm not sure about that based on his campaign. A campaign that was divisive, questioning the patriotism of Obama and liberals, pitting Americans against one another, the racism that was blatantly displayed, the name calling of Obama as in "socialist" and the very obvious disdain that McMain held for Obama. Not sure if he can be the person he was years ago. We shall see.
Bob wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:55 AM:Yea, Chuck, at 8:34 AM, but mostly I wish the moderators on this board would limit the use of metaphors.
jvc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:57 AM:Wow, am I smart, I know about the
pythagorean Theorem....now if I could just figure out how to balance my check book!
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 8:57 AM:Roger @ 7:54 AM, I'm an engineer, I used a calculator. I still have one of the first HP-45's off the assembly line. They cost about $450 in those days, mine was free.
Boy you are an old fart, I graduated in the class of '75. I had a beautiful view of the Rock through the towers in MB from my triplex.
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:08 AM:Chuck @ 8:24 AM:
Good thing I opted out of engineering electrons Chuck, My Saturday/Sunday morning foursome of 3 conservatives and one liberal tee off at 6:45 am and we are eating breakfast by 9:15 am. Our record is one hour and twenty seven minutes (lib boy wasn't with us that day). Those fast rounds do however cut down on our consumption of sudsy amber adult beverages. In our record round I could only manage to get down a sixer. I poslished off the rest of eighteen pack on Sunday's slower round.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:17 AM:Well, "jvc" at 8:38AM,
it's still trig (not Palin's baby).
Now, try to figure how long to make the hip beam at a given angle to go out to where the fascia boards meet at the corner with 3 foot eaves.
BTW, if you cut it too short, you've just wasted a 26 foot long piece of 4 by 10 and the dollars and time for a new one and the other associated rework.
I just love compound angle cuts, (four-letter word deleted by Alf).
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:31 AM:Now,
how about all you people who put signs on PUBLIC land -
go out and remove them!!
All those who have their signs on their private property,
keep them up or take them down,
do whichever tickles your fancy.
Regards, Alf.
Roger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:38 AM:jvc, at 8:38 AM, is right except that, back in the days before calculators, figuring square roots long hand was arduous :)
tjefferson wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:44 AM:Rush Limbaugh is on a roll this morning. He's having a hissy fit over the McCain supporters who are exposing Stupid Sarah for being even more stupid that we thought. Rush is also upset because Sister Sarah wanted to play dirty politics and McCain didn't. Rush doesn't seem to realize that it was Palin's dirty politics and her ignorance about the world and the responsibilities of the office of vp that helped sink the Republican campaign. He's upset that a person high up in the McCain campaign exposed this Palin gem, that she thought Africa is a country, not a continent. Then he started blabbing about how the election was analogous to a foodball game. Here's the score Rush: The real America 1, Palin's America 0.
Caro Cogitatus wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:55 AM:Ron (@7:23pm yesterday),
Actually, we can agree on the you-break-it-you-buy-it concept. We can't turn our backs on the Iraqis.
But when the Iraqi Prime Minister and the Iraqi Parliament and large majorities of Iraqi citizens (according to polls a few months ago, at least) all want us to leave, then it is incumbent upon us to, you know, leave.
And that doesn't mean raise the white flag of surrender. That's why Obama was proposing a 16 month process, to be modified as needed by events. And the Iraqis agreed to it.
Now, the broader question is, what happens to our sparkling new military bases. If the Iraqis actually ask us to leave, will we leave our bases behind for them?
I think McCain was extraordinarily honest when he suggested 100 years in Iraq. I think he was thinking of a peaceful presence as we have in Germany, Japan, and South Korea. But it's also highly delusional. It ain't gonna happen. They want us to leave, and I for one can't blame them.
I understand the importance of having a military presence in that part of the world to protect our strategic energy interests, but here's the rub: if the Iraqis ask us to leave and take every last U.S. soldier home with their thanks, are you willing to give up our multibillion dollar military bases there?
If not, then welcome to the American empire. Today, Iraq. Tomorrow, ze verld!
Leaving Iraq is the most responsible thing we can do, both for us and for them.
To Don Snyder wrote on Nov 6, 2008 9:58 AM:and you know what else, Don?..those stupid college indoctrinated Americans who voted for Hussein, they don't even hunt for their own meat..instead, they read books and they eat quiche and they drink latte...eeeeeeeewwwwwwww.
HowDoYouLikeYourChange wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:14 AM:The Dow has changed-- down 750+ points since your saviour was elected. Pension accounts down an estimated $1.3 trilion billion. And in return, he will tax the hell out of your rich, evel corporate employers, who will hten be glad to raise your pay, benefits and pension.
Karo Syruptatis wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:16 AM:>>instead, they read books>>
They sure do. They read the classics like: "Suzy has 2 mommies" and "Johnny has 2 daddies"
Crawl Out wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM:Crawl out from under your bed Don Snyder put away your gun and try to make the world a better place. Chicken Little will be headed back to Texas in a couple of months. Hint: Doing so doesn't involve letters to the editor or long-winded rants in a blog.
Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM:Now that we have a Democrat as president, will it be okay for Republicans to treat him they way Democrats treated Bush?
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:33 AM:Well, "Karl" at 8:57AM,
was that HP before or after the T.I. SR-50 came out? (If you input 5.773857734 (enter exponent) 40, turned it upside down it said "oh hellsbells".)
Regards, Alf.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:39 AM:Well, "Ms M" at 8:53AM,
many professional boxers can want to tear the other guy apart in the ring and buy him a beer later, without the cameras around. We will see if it (the garbage) was the contest or personal for either or both of them as time goes by.
Regards, Alf.
Roger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:43 AM:Well, Karl, at 8:57 AM, back in '72 & '73 when I worked as a carpenter, we didn't have calculators. Few years later I got a Texas Instruments SR-10 (which I still have somewhere). I was working in an air conditioned architect's office by then.
Back at Cal Poly all the engineering students wore their slide rules on their belts.
Don't build much anymore (other than a big CD rack, which I put on craigslist yesterday).
Still believe they should make architects work as carpenters for a couple years.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:56 AM:Well, "Floyd" at 10:27AM,
once Obama is actually in office -
YES, when he screws up he should be called on it, in no uncertain terms.
I don't believe that Obama will demonstrate the arrogant, dishonest and just plain "felony stupid" behaviors and actions that GWB did.
Regards, Alf.nkwha
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:01 AM:Floyd
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM:...if Obama is as incompetant as Bush..then he deserves the same treatment. I hope that the libs will call Obama out if this should occur. As a lib I did not dish Bush because he was a con - I was against Bush because he lied to the American people and literaly decimated our country. You know if Bush was so wonderful - why wasn't he on the campaign trail? Why did McCain and the other con candidates trash Bush and his policies? It hasn't been just libs that treated Bush badly. Why don't you hold the cons accountable for bashing Bush? You see it wasn't that libs weere bashing Bush - they were telling the truth.
Wanda wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:04 AM:Well, Alf, at 10:39 AM, I suspect McCain isn't as bad as his campaign staff made him out to be.
With nothing but "more of the same" to run on, I guess this "Rovian" nonsense was all they had.
I'd bet McCain actually will "put country first" at this point.
To Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:07 AM:Karl says: "My Saturday/Sunday morning foursome of 3 conservatives and one liberal tee off at 6:45 am and we are eating breakfast by 9:15 am. Our record is one hour and twenty seven minutes (lib boy wasn't with us that day). Those fast rounds do however cut down on our consumption of sudsy amber adult beverages. In our record round I could only manage to get down a sixer. I poslished off the rest of eighteen pack on Sunday's slower round."
Do you really start drinking first thing in the morning???
to Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:09 AM:In case you haven't noticed, all of you guys HAVE been treating Obama like the Bush-bashers have treated Bush...and he hadn't even DONE anything yet! Since you blame all the ills of the country on liberals even when they have no power, I can't imagine that you won't bash us even more now that we do. Has anyone in the Congress moved to start Obama's impeachment yet? You have that to look forward to. I'd say the only difference between the Bush-bashers and the Obama-bashers is that the latter usually have to resort to lies, while the former just tell the truth. The camppaign pretty much proved that. Pathetic. LOL
Bob wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:10 AM:Alf, at 10:56 AM, omitted "pathologigically obstinate" in his description of Bush.
Glad I could help :)
Focal Point wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:10 AM:Floyd[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 10:27 AM: Republicans and Republicans have already been trashing President elect Obama for the last two years.
jvc wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:18 AM:No, square roots of numbers can be found by the antilog of a logarithm,
the exponent of a number to a base!
Talk Radio Terrorists wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:26 AM:I am saddened by the letters of Steven Press, Don Snyder and Richard Cole who reflect the terror they feel over the election of one of the most intelligent, thoughtful, even-tempered and thoroughly decent human beings ever to be elected to the office of the presidency.
They are joined by a chorus of vicious, malicious bloggers whose angry outbursts have permeated the comments pages yesterday and today - all expressing abject terror based on points that have no basis in fact whatsoever.
Where did the seeds of this terror get planted?
How is it that so many can be misled by the same lies - that PRESIDENT OBAMA will make it better for those on welfare as opposed to middle class working people? That he is a terrorist? That he wasn't born in this country?
It is obvious that these people have been terrorized by standardized talking points from talk-radio terrorists who have filled their unquestioning minds with lies. These people cower in terror. Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, O'Reilly and the other right-wing radio hatemongers have done more to engender fear and terror than Bin Laden could have even dreamed about.
One blogger even notes the continued slide of the stock market! Hello, doesn't he realize that the president is still BUSH? Doesn't he realize that the new president doesn't take over for 74 more days?
Stop listening to the talk radio terrorists.
Stop repeating slime attacks that have no basis in fact.
It is a beautiful day outside.
It is a time for celebration.
The American people have voted for hope over fear.
grj wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:28 AM:More doom and gloom today from the sore losers, we have all been losers the last 8 years under the dictator bush. When do the war crimes trial begin for rove,cheney,and bush. Yeah hiding under a bed with a gun with a bed sounds like paranoia, a counselor or psychologist maybe needed for this nut case. A good argument for gun control. Hear about the trick or treaters murder by ak-47? murderer thought kids were trying to rob him. Gangs wars too much violence, I vote for more gun control.
Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 AM:Well, then, it's time to organize a "Hate Obama" rally to match the liberals "Hate Bush" rally from the past.
More bad news for yahoos wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:42 AM:I see that Governor Schwarzenegger is proposing a large tax increase to help shore up the deficit. Sorry, all. He was your Republican, remember? The guy you picked to fix the state? Great job.
to Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:43 AM:Go for it, Floyd! Organize that Hate Obama rally! To make it a really fun event, why don't you invite people to come dressed as their favorite alleged associate of Obama's! Someone could even dress as Karl Marx! LOL
Surfer wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:53 AM:Floyd[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 AM
Go for it! See ya!
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:56 AM:Floyd
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 AM:...Floyd, you don't get it do you? Libs do not HATE Bush - we along with a lot of cons just don't like what he has done to our country. Did McCain not bash Bush? What about the other con candidates that did not even mention Bush let alone admit they were Republicans. Come on guy be honest. If you need references where cons ran from Bush and bashed him - I will be glad to give you quotes.
And as far has organizing a "Hate Obama" rally - where the heck have you been the past two years? PATHETIC!
OBAMA is PREZ wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:58 AM:To all those writing to demand "equal time" for Obama bashing and hating compared to Bush, please wait until he...
...Takes office with fewer votes than his opponent after stealing Florida's election.
...Gives a grant of $43 million to the Taliban after they oppress women and religious minorities
...Disregards specific intelligence briefings about a massive impending terrorist attack
...Lets the terrorist who attacked us get away after he his cornered on a remote battlefield
...Responds to a terror attack by invading the wrong country, the one that never attacked us
...Curtails civil liberties
...Engages in illegal warrantless wiretapping
...Authorizes torture, putting captured Americans at risk for the same treatment
...Blows the cover of a covert agent to exact political revenge against her husband
...Appoints the manager of a show horse association to run FEMA and fiddles while a major American city is destroyed
...Deregulates the economy leading to total economic collapse.
It astounds me that those who represent a party that has not gotten a single thing right since Teddy Roosevelt has the nerve to openly admit that they are going to bash and hate a guy before he has even done anything!
Do you understand the origins of the word PREJUDICE?
It is from "PRE" and "JUDGE" - finding a guy guilty before he has done anything.
If the shoe fits, put it on and walk with it.
Far, far away.
bodecea wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:05 PM:Ah...to have the once proud state of CA be compared to Arizona, Florida, and also Arkansas....as if we want to be like those backwater places.
How very sad. See what voting "Yes on Hate" is doing? It is rotting your minds.
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:20 PM:To Karl
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:07 AM:
It's 5:oo PM somewhere
Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM:What do you mean, the Republicans haven't got a single thing right since Teddy Roosevelt? Have you forgotten how Reagan presided over the drop in inflation from Carter's level 22%? Have you forgotten the Reagan re-demonstrated that reducing tax rates causes an increase in tax revenue? (JFK demonstrated that concept back in the 1960's). Have you forgotten that under Reagan we enjoyed unprecedented year-over-year economic prosperity? Haven't you realized there has been no terrorist attack on American soil since we took the battle back to the Middle East? Republicans have done a lot of things right, despite the best efforts of the Democrats to obstruct, delay, and prevent them.
To bodecea wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:26 PM:You must be one of those "sore losers" grj was talking about at 11:28.
Why don't you try suing to get your way?
Oh, you already did that?
Floyd wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:27 PM:We're going to need a theme for the rally. How does "NObama Nation" sound? Short, sweet, and to the point.
Sweet wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:35 PM:From CNN: "Democratic strategist Paul Begala, who describes Emanuel's aggressive style as a "cross between a hemorrhoid and a toothache."
Sounds like healing America to me!
Roger wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:35 PM:In the last paragraph of RoseMarie Reno's letter, she calls OSHA. Suspect she should have called OSHPD (the pathologically obtuse building department for hospitals).
Sheeesh wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM:More bad news for yahoos
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:42 AM:I see that Governor Schwarzenegger is proposing a large tax increase to help shore up the deficit. Sorry, all. He was your Republican, remember? The guy you picked to fix the state? Great job.
Yea but it has been a liberial assembly and senate running around spending and not containing.
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:01 PM:Floyd
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:25 PM:...I totally disagree with anyone who says the cons have not accomplished anything. Just look at what they have done to our country - the cons have destroyed our country - I call that an accomplishment!
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:07 PM:Sweet
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:35 PM:...Obama is picking the folks that he thinks best to be in his administration. With the mess that he will have to fix - a pantywaist just won't do. Just by winning the election - Obama has started to heal our nation - a nation that the cons have divided.
You Go Surfer wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:07 PM:Check out Surfer, (photo #1of4 on the front page here) He's the old dude in the hat flashing the peace sign. Cowabunga!
Tax and Spend wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:07 PM:SACRAMENTO – A $6 billion increase in California's car tax should be considered as part of any compromise to close a state budget deficit that stands at $11.2 billion and growing, Democratic leaders of the state Senate said yesterday.
President Pro Tempore Don Perata, D-Oakland, and the man who will soon succeed him, Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento, called for restoring the car tax, or vehicle license fee, to its historic level – 2 percent of a vehicle's value.
Republicans have vowed to block any tax increases, which require a two-thirds vote in each house. Democrats dominate the Legislature but fall short of that threshold. Thank God for that.
Steinberg and Democrats view the budget problem as a revenue shortfall rather than a spending excess. They place most of the blame on the Arnold's repeal of the car tax and ignore the stratospheric rise in spending that THEY pushed through after the repeal.
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:08 PM:Floyd
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:27 PM:...um Floyd - GET OVER IT!!!! PATHETIC.
Ms M wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:10 PM:Sheeesh
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 12:40 PM:...Yea but it has been a liberial assembly and senate running around spending and not containing....Yeah, 'kinda like our current con administration.
DD Wiz wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:25 PM:The post from "Floyd" (12:25pm) gives the impression he is getting his economics education from Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin. Or maybe that's who "Ron" has been "trying to educate."
He cites two "examples" of Republicans doing something right.
A. "Reagan presided over the drop in inflation from Carter's level 22%"
This shows as much knowledge of government as Sarah saying the VP runs the Senate.
"Floyd": who handles the monetary policies that control inflation and interest rates?
If you say the President, a gong will sound.
If you say Federal Reserve Chair a dainty bell will ring.
The Fed Chair up until Carter's last year was Nixon's appointee Arthur Burns.
The Fed Chair Carter appointed in 1979, who served through most of Reagan's term, until 1987, was Paul Volcker, the one who got inflation under control. He is now Obama's top economic advisor.
B. JFK demonstrated the concept of lower tax returns generating increased revenue.
WRONG! The point is not whether rates go up or down, but if they are at an optimal level.
JFK had economic success lowering the top marginal rate from the Eisenhower level of 91% to a top rate (out of 13 brackets) of 70%.
So according to your theory, we should copy JFK and return to a top marginal rate of 70%?
And citing Ronald Reagan for economic success, when the policies of his administration led to then-record deficits and widespread collapses of financial institutions (remember Keating?) is a perfect example of Republicans getting it WRONG, not right.
Peace, prosperity and sunshine to all, DD Wiz
to Sheesh wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:30 PM:Arnie says that no amount of containing will be enough, therefore the tax increase. Seems it's not just the spenders. I see that his proposals include a temporary increase in sales tax, a tax on oil produced in CA, increased tax on alcohol, and a few others. We are really caught in a downward spiral here. Every element seems to have a negative impact on every other element. Tough times.
bodecea wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:37 PM:To Sheeesh,
A large tax increase? Let's take away the tax-exempt status of CA churches and that will help with our budget shortfalls. We may not have to raise taxes at all, then.
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:04 PM:Ah, Roger @ 12:35 PM, you know OSHPD also. How about those inspectors? I once replaced a single 4'x7' rated door assembly that went from a corridor to the cafeteria. Had to do a little framing and move a little electrical and my bid was 32K. Because of OSHPD, with change orders the final total was just above 38K (it took 7 weeks) and that doesn't count the Architects time. I made $800, just over 2%. I passed on replacing the operating room doors where we'd be working next to patients instead of dirty dishes.
The exact same door in a private commercial structure would have cost about 4K, been done in a week and I would have made 15% or $600. I have a real good idea where we can reduce medical care costs.
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM:Good Luck to President elect Obama. I will reserve my right to bash the Liberal Democrat until such time I judge that he has screwed something up. Which I hope for the sake of this Country is never.
Peace
But DD wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:08 PM:You still forgot to credit Reagan for single handedly defeating world communism! I wish you'd get with the local program, guy. Repeat after me: all that is good was accomplished by Ronald Reagan and those who worshipped him; all that is bad was accomplished by Bill Clinton. It doesn't matter what happened or when it happened. Remember: credits to Ronnie, blame to Bill, credits to Ronnie, blame to Bill. Class dismissed.
Surfer wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:12 PM:You Go Surfer[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 1:07 PM: That is not me. That guy is too well dressed and has a handsome beard and is wearing a suave ball cap. See ya!
Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:13 PM:I just heard the the Govenator is proposing that all state employees take 1 day off without pay per month to help with the budget. I hope that includes the lawmakers. I knew there was a little conservative in him.
Good luck getting that one by the unions Arnie. We just found out in Escondido that the unions are running our fair City.
To Don Snyder wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:19 PM:Don, Chuck Norris is a Hollywood actor who can afford to move..can you give me hs forwarding adress?...i'd want to keep sending him fan letters.
Rick wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:21 PM:RE Don Snyder, "I'll be hiding under the bed with my gun loaded."
Don't forget to cling to your bible
markyMarx wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:22 PM:Floyd
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 11:36 AM:
You sound very angry and racist, bro!
You Go Surfer wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM:Surfer
[-] wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:12 PM: Well, it's like the old SNL's Gilda Rattner says… “Nevermind"
To Karl wrote on Nov 6, 2008 2:25 PM:Karl, this is all i have to say about those darn unions..if you can't beat'em, join'em.
Alf wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:25 PM:Thanks, "Bob" at 11:10AM,
I didn't want to put down all my descriptive adjectives, many of which would violate the NCT policy, but yours is pretty doggone good.
Regards, Alf.
Bill wrote on Nov 6, 2008 3:25 PM:John Ramirez obviously hasnt read Obamas tax plan if he thinks America won.
The reason investors like Warren Buffett supported Obamas plan is because the super wealthy derive the great majority of their income from capital gains which are taxed at a rate of only 15% as oppsed to the income bracket Buffett would be in if it were your standard income tax rate. Those investors are few and far between as compared to the hard working American families Obamas plan targets.
Buffetts endorsement swayed a lot of Americans.
Obama isnt just going to roll back the Bush tax cuts. Oh no, he plans on eliminating itemized deductions altogether, eliminate the cap on social security taxes, increase the social security tax by 4-6% and increase the capital gains tax from 15 to 30%. Leading Democrats want another 2% -5% surtax, and there is serious discussion on taxing 401(k) plans.
The net effect will be a drop in earned income from 50% to 30% before state taxes. This will be even lower in states like California with a high income tax rate and mortgage costs that are not deductible.
How did the middle class win again?
This will kill the incentive for anyone to earn more than $250,000.00. That means fewer jobs.
Conversely, the bottom 50% will pay no federal taxes (income or social security) yet they76 get rebate checks.
This is pure socialism and wont benefit anyone but those who seek power.
The middle class will pay for this too.
DD Wiz claims her "tax experts" explained Obamas plan to her and approved.
How did these tax experts miss all this?
I would get a new tax guy given this kind of malpracti