SAN DIEGO: Woman shot by police officer pleads guilty
Rachel Silva admits to child endangerment, DUI
By COLLEEN MENSCHING - Staff Writer | ∞
Rachel Silva SAN DIEGO ---- An Oceanside woman pleaded guilty Monday to felony child endangerment and one count of misdemeanor drunken driving in connection with a road rage incident that resulted in an off-duty police officer shooting her and her 8-year-old son.
Rachel Silva, 28, faces up to four years in jail, her defense attorney, Michael Pancer, said.
Pancer said Silva will be sentenced by a San Diego Superior Court judge next year after she completes the residential drug treatment program she started a few months after the March 15 shooting.
According to police and court testimony, off-duty San Diego police Officer Frank White shot Silva and her son, Johnny, in the Lowe's parking lot on Old Grove Road after Silva and White almost collided in their cars outside the complex.
After the near-miss in the street, Silva followed White, 28, and his wife into the shopping center parking lot and the situation escalated into a shooting.
Silva was hit twice in the right arm. Her son was hit once in the left leg.
Oceanside police have said that Silva's blood alcohol content during the incident was above the legal limit and that she had marijuana with her that night.
She also admitted to using methamphetamine the day before the shooting, they said.
Three other misdemeanor charges, including driving with a suspended license, were dropped as part of the plea deal, officials said.
Pancer said he had "no complaints" about the resolution of Silva's case.
He declined to comment on whether Silva is in contact with her son, now 9, while she is in drug treatment.
Silva has two previous convictions for drunken driving, both in 2007. In one incident, officers found her slumped over the steering wheel in Temecula. She reportedly had an open bottle of alcohol, and her 1-year-old child was in the back seat.
Last week, a Superior Court judge ordered White to stand trial for his role in the incident.
White is charged with one felony count of negligent discharge of a firearm and a misdemeanor charge that he brandished his gun during the confrontation with Silva.
White is the first police officer in more than a dozen years in San Diego County who is charged with shooting a perceived aggressor.
He was off-duty, out of uniform and in his personal car at the time of the incident.
He faces up to nine years in jail if convicted.
His next court date is Dec. 3.
Contact staff writer Colleen Mensching at (760) 739-6675 or cmensching@nctimes.com.
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drop the charges wrote on Nov 10, 2008 1:19 PM:against officer Frank White.
Karen wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:06 PM:I agree. Drop the charges. .15 what a joke. and on probation for another DUI? She is lucky she didn't kill someone. Her poor son is the victim here. I think he needs another parent
Why should the charges be dropped wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:33 PM:Come on get real people Officer Frank White is getting as he should be. He has no right to draw his gun and shoot at ANYONE!!!! I don't care what this woman did HE was wrong and now a jury of his peers will decide if he is guilty or not. Hopefully I will be selected to be on his jury and I will vote to through this rogue officer in the slammer and throw away the key. Law enforcement officers are held to a higher standard and he failed to uphold that standard. She plead guilty why doesn't he be a man and do the same. Why is he going to make us taxpayers pay for a trial? It is the right thing to do to charge him.
OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:34 PM:The charges against Office White are ridiculous. This woman was assaulting the officer and his wife with a deadly weapon, to wit, a car. She was drunk and is a dangerous individual. Judge Danielson should sentence her to the full four years in prison. Her probation after that should be for life. She's a menace.
OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:43 PM:Silva pleaded guilty to avoid being convicted of even more charges! Yes, there are people who hate the police and probably for good reason. They are criminals. As for serving on the officer's jury, ex-felons are not permitted on any jury!
Looking Glass wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:49 PM:I feel bad for her son. What a lousy parent she is! Trying to run over an off duty cop with her car. White's force may have been excessive, but he thought his life was in danger.
Marie wrote on Nov 10, 2008 2:50 PM:This woman was assaulting the officer and his wife with a deadly weapon.
Wasn't that found to not be the case as there was no damage to White's car. Had there been that would have come out at the Preliminary Hearing and he wouldn't have been sent to trial.
To Oceansidian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:00 PM:Sorry but two wrongs don't make it right. Why didn't the officer just back off and call the police to handle this situation? Why because he got angry and wanted to take care of business well now the people are taking care of business. As far as calling me a felon you are very mistaken. I have never been involved in criminal activity of any kind. I have never even had a traffic ticket. So yes sir're I can and hopefully will be selected to sit on his jury.
OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:02 PM:Silva sideswiped Officer White's car and knocked her rear view mirror off in doing it. Why all this sympathy for a woman who was in a druken rage and who then drove her car wildly and struck another car? And with her 8 year old son in her car to boot! Silva has a rap sheet a mile long and has been in trouble many times before. People who have been in that kind of trouble sympathize with the criminal and would have every officer in prison if they could!
Cardiffian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:09 PM:I got no sympathy for Silva. She deserves to pay for her negligence and she will thatnks to her guilty plea. I got no sympathy for White. This is someone who is trained to deal with situations like this and he failed miserably. He deserves to pay for his "alleged" negligence as well.
To Oceansidian wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:37 PM:It is a good thing that Officer Frank White's record is not public information. I am sure he has some not so savory reports in his file but he is protected by the badge. I am sure that is taken into consideration when deciding to charge an officer or not. He is a hot head and now he will be reigned by justice
nate wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:44 PM:she was drunk and put her child and others life in harm. she should face punishment. BUT IN NO WAY THAT GIVES SOMEONE THE RIGHT TO SHOOT FIVE TIMES INTO A DARK CAR! he is a police offer. he is trained to deal with stressful situations and to react accordingly. that did not happen that is why he is going to trial end of story
call me Johnson wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:45 PM:One down, one to go.......
Vistan wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:50 PM:Don't forget, Officer White is INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I for one think the charges should be dropped, however, I am also willing to let the facts come out in court. I only hope that the Police Union provides a good lawyer for him so he doesn't go bankrupt defending himself against these charges.
So let's all with hold judgement until after the trail.
RandyR wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:51 PM:Unbelievable...so many people are quite outspoken and yet, they would never venture to wear the badge. It's easy to critique a person...while at the same time, knowing nothing of value about their character or integrity. For those who wear the badge...perhaps you should think twice about stopping and assisting another person, when off duty. I wear a badge...fire dept./paramedic. And I dare say, I never stop. It's not worth the trial and error because, when I'm not in uniform...in many ways, I'm alone. Thats a sad thing to say...yet, it's the truth. Who knows...perhaps I'll drive right on by when "you'll" need me the most.
To Vistan wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:55 PM:The only reason the police union might not be able to afford his lawyer is because they are broke for all the mailers they sent during the election lobbying local politicians...... Oh, but I almost forgot they also sent donation requests during the same time........
Osider wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:12 PM:Charger him to the full extent of the law. If this was me or you, do you think we can pull a gun and unload it with going to jail? NOT!! It takes to to tango so, dont even think this officer is in the clear because, he was just as wrong. He knew there was a kid in the car and so did his wife. Then you have OPD trying to protect their own.
OCEANSIDIAN wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:17 PM:Prediction: Officer White will be tried but acquited of all charges. Look folks, these charges against White are politically motivated by a DA wanting to wash her hands of it all and tossing it to the AG. Jerry Brown has it now and he's an old politician too. Play up to the squawking masses, that's how it's done. In the end, White will be either acquitted or charges dropped quietly after the mob mentality dies down. Wait and see! Silva could be sentenced to 25 years to life in prison because of the THREE STRIKES LAW! She's been convicted before. Given the circumstances, the real ones not those half-baked and warped ones tossed out by the ignorant and the police haters, given those circumstances, White was entirely JUSTIFIED in firing at this felon who was on a rampage endangering not only Officer White and HIS WIFE, but others as well.
A Liar a Fraud... wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:21 PM:The woman driving, not the officer.
How can we believe anything she has to say now that she admitted she lied before (by claiming innocence)? All her statements should be considered fraudulent and the case against the officer should be dropped.
Plus, this is her second DUI, she had dope in her car, and was driving on a revoked license!
I believe the officer's side of the story...
There's nothing else to say.
Bonehead wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:22 PM:As I recall Officer White didn't get out of his car until after shots had been fired. Hence his window shot out from the inside. I wouldn't dismiss charges. I will wait to hear the results of his trial.
concerned wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:52 PM:Again, I see people shouting the officer didn't have a right to shoot his gun. I guess you don't believe in having our 2nd Amendment right to bear arms and to protect ourselves and our family members. I guess all of you would have rathered he allowed this psycho hurt him and his wife and possible kill them along with herself and her son. Kudos to Officer White for being a man and sacraficing his own safety to protect all citizens of Oceanside!
Grump wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:57 PM:This is a loose loose situation all the way around, bad choices by all involved...except the kid.
JJ wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:37 PM:Just a taste of the crazy stuff that happens when you use drugs and alcohol. In fact, it probably brought out the worst in each of these people. Wrong thing, wrong place, wrong time, wrong response, etc. Thank God the little boy wasn't killed. In that respect, the mother is every bit as responsible as the cop. But NONE OF THIS would have transpired minus the booze & dope.
unbelievable wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:08 PM:yes,she is a bad parent but that doesn't give Officer White the right to act recklessly also
Nottrue wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM:Hey Vistan,
Sorry to inform you but your wrong. In this county and country contrary to popular belief you are guilty until proven innocent. Think back to all the comments about Silva before she ever had her day in court. Nothing but a bunch of "lynch her" comments. I am not defending her at all. Its the way it is. Watch White get tried in Vista Courthouse. I wish that on know one that is innocent. He will show up with all his "Police supporters" and the jury will say heaven forbid he can do no wrong he wears the colors of LE. He will get off with a slap on the wrist...trust me.
I Said It Before wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:25 PM:And I'll say it again. Both of these so-called adults acted incredibly badly on the night in question and they both need to be held accountable for their actions.
Silva pleaded guilty because, let's face, what choice did she have? She was guilty!
White will now stand before a jury of his peers, as well he should, to determine if his course of action was appropriate for the situation as well as for a person with his vocation & training.
To suggest that her guilty plea somehow negates his bad behavior is reckless, irresponsible and ultimately detrimental to our community. Badge wearer or not, we must all be held accountable when innocent people are hurt ... and there was one 8 year old innocent hurt. Everyone involved needs to answer for their part.
Two Wrongs wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:27 PM:She's a convicted repeat drunk driver, who did it with her kid in the car. She clearly has some serious issues that make her a bad parent, and, unless she gets her substance abuse out of her life, a menace to society. That in no way justifies shooting into the car, especially with a child in it. It's not even the best way to get out of the situation. Police officers are trained at aggressive and evasive driving. The prudent thing would have been to evade and call for help, so it could have been handled by uniformed, on-duty, officers. Officer white showed at the very least serious faulty judgment that would preclude anyone from carrying a weapon concealed. If you or I did this, under the exact same circumstances, we'd be up for felony assault with a deadly weapon. The law is the law, being a sworn officer doesn't put you above it. It means you have a sworn duty to uphold it, and should lead by example.
They're a pair of hotheads. She needs to get a life, and Officer White needs to be in a line of work where losing his temper is less likely to result in the injury of innocents (in this case, the child).
She's wrong, it doesn't make him right.
HeyVistan wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:29 PM:Didn't you already pass judgement on White? And I have another comment. Would the NCTimes quit reviewing all the comments prior to posting. When you go home for the day nothing gets posted till the next day. If people flame each other just put a "report Abuse" option on your paper. Every other paper in this country does that.
RG1 wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:38 PM:Silva did the right thing by her guilty plea. She is admitting her mistakes. Now the question is will White be man enough to admit his mistakes and plead guilty? He's lucky he didn't kill a woman and her kid. Those above who are still, after all this time trying to make excuses for White by saying she was assaulting the officer and his wife with a deadly weapon need to come up with a new one. That was determined long ago to be unfounded. You don't shoot someone because they yell at you! I hope he is never allowed to carry a gun again.
I totally agree wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:51 PM:with I Said It Before. They BOTH screwed up and they BOTH have to answer for it!
Floyd wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:28 PM:I still think that if I see someone in a parking lot unloading their weapon at someone else, that assailant is going to be under my wheels real quick.
WHAT A JOKE wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:30 PM:Come on people, the fact still remains, you can not tell us how you would react in a situation like this until you are put there. The Officer was in the right.
To WHAT A JOKE wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:25 PM:So are we to assume that you have been in that situation yourself ... personally?
If not, your comments hold as little water as the rest of the I'm right you're wrong crowd.
Skip wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:33 PM:Drop the charges against the police officer.
Case Closed
ATTENTION TO WHAT A JOKE wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM:Yeah right about an officer would react but he was not on duty, he was not in uniform, he was not in a marked car should I go on and on...He good officer would of stayed on the phone and called 911 and get the respecteted agency to come out and handle the situation. I myself work for an agency and I wouldn't of put myself in situation like he did.
Gene wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:57 PM:What upsets a lot of folks, Officer ... White brandished a weapon and shot. If myself, or the average Joe did this, we would of been in jail. I hope Officer .. White goes bankrupt. I know a few police officers who work for different agencies and THEY even said, his judgement was wrong.
Arlo wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:39 AM:I am not thinking the Gun should've been used. If any of us 'non-sworn' people are not allowed to carry loaded firearms than there is no reason why a police officer should get to use theirs unless they are using it in an official capacity. This was totally a civil manner and the officer had no right to use the his off-duty firearm.
To attention to what a joke wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:32 AM:I doubt you work for any respected agency with your horrible use of grammar, pronouns, and spelling. "Wouldn't of" is not a proper term. It should be "Wouldn't have" if you insist on conjunctions, which are not used in proper police report writing. Take an English class and maybe someone will believe you are an employee of an agency as you claim. Your fraudulent claim is transparent.
Yikes wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:38 AM:Pancer is playing the defense attorney game. His request to the judge for his client to finish drug treatment program before sentencing. Now, when she is sentences, Pancer is going to comment to the judge how she has changed her life around by completing a drug treatment program and request probation or house arrest. Its just another route the defence takes to try to weasle out of jail time.
They have drug treatment programs in jail.
To All Bashers wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:39 AM:To all who are bashing the cop in this article. It is my hope that, some night you are driving somewhere and someone drunk like Rachel Silva pursues you into a parking lot, blocks you in, and starts ramming your car.
LitlBits wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:02 AM:to RG1: you wrote: "That was determined long ago to be unfounded."
Really? and from where did you get that WRONG INFORMATION? She was assaulting with a 2500 pound automobile! That IS a DEADLY weapon! that was not even challenged in court!
BEFORE you go off insisting you are in the right, I suggest you learn the facts!
Dude wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:13 AM:She screwed up and went to trial.
He screwed up and we are just supposed to say "nevermind" just because of his job.
Maybe He should go to trial as well or do we have a different set of rules depending on your employer.
Let the system work, if he was justified in the shoot, that will come out.
Nope wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:51 AM:2nd Amendment does not exist in California.... you try carrying a gun and shooting someone..... Off to prison you go... justified or not.
to Osider wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:00 AM:Once again, your bias against OPD comes out. "OPD trying to protect their own". Guess what, he was SDPD. OPD did their job and presented the facts of the case to the DA, who did the right thing and charged him. Let your hatred go, it is not worth it, bet you can't because of your personal vendetta against OPD. Your prior posts calling for SDSD to take over, etc, show how you really feel. You can't even accept things when OPD does the right thing.
Encinitas wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:04 AM:I'm glad that Silva did the right thing and pleaded guilty. As for Officer White, he should go to trial. We cannot have off duty police officers shooting their weapons at civilians. He's been trained, and of all people should have known whom to call for help in this situation. I'm not bashing a cop, just saying that he should be subject to the same laws as everyone else when off-duty. Were he not an officer, he'd be behind bars until his trial date.
Concerned wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:25 AM:Encinitas -- I guess you believe officers guns are for decoration if not for firing at citizens. And yes, she was an armed citizen. Did you not read that he did call 911? Help was on the way and that Silva escalated the situation by ramming Officer Whites vehicle. Geez, I can't understand why you people waste your breathe, ignoring the limited facts that are reported, then just spew whatever floats your boat. Come on people get a clue! Silva is responsible for all of this, NOT Officer White. Throw the book at her, and let this Officer get back to WORK!
People Lover wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:58 AM:Charges should not be dropped. What the officer did was outrageous. Ms. Silva may have been over the limit but what was his excuse for not using his intelligence? Officers are supposedly trained for this type of incident and I don't believe the training includes pulling out and shooting a gun especially when a child is involved. He should have done what all of us would have had to do and that was call 911 and wait for help.
Ex-O wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:01 AM:For you blogers claiming the officer is wrong in what he did I ask you this. Where you there? what is your experience in an exact situation like this? Are you basing your statements off of pure feelings or past Xbox experience? The jury will have all the facts that you do not have in the paper. Go back to your couches in your safe little world and let the facts prove who was wrong.
To to all bashers wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:44 AM:You are a mean person!! Why do you wish bad things to happen? I have been involved in a road rage incident and I was afraid but I just pulled in the parking lot went in the store and asked the clerk to call the police. The other party left and everything was okay. He did not have to shoot at her and her child. There is no excuse for his behavior.
Cardiffian wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:00 PM:Hey Ex-O, alot of people much smarter and closer to the situatin than "us bloggers" made the decision that White needs to have his day in court - so why jump ugly on those of us who are willing to let the process run its course? As for experience, most people are not rapists, but can still determine whether a rape occured. Same holds true for embezzelment, or murder, or any other crime. It may astonish you, but sometimes you don't have to be there to decide that it's just plain wrong!
Sharon wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:14 PM:Both are at fault. Both used poor judgement that could have resulted in the death of someone they love. They cancell each other out. They were lucky.
Girls rule wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:16 PM:SHE PAYS......HE PAYS. They were both wrong and acted illegally and they both should pay the consequences! End of discussion!
WiseGuy wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:18 PM:Why would anyone want to be a police officer after these days? When having to choose between letting someone run you over with their vehicle or shoot them, you must let them run you over. If you shoot them, you go to prison. Anarchy is just around the corner. Purchase your guns and ammo while you can.
To the Pokie wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:44 PM:Silva got what she deserved now it's Whites turn. I say, Nine years for each round fired! See Ya White.
Where oh where can he be wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:47 PM:So my only question is this, Where is that cop lover esteban?
To Girls rule... wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:47 PM:What about the child....He paid most of all and more than one incident. I PRAY the courts remove this child from his mother.
ROBERT wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:05 PM:LETS SEE SHE WAS DRUNK IF SHE WAS A CONCERN PARENT AND DID NOT DRIVE THIS ALL WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPEN I SAY LET THE OFFICER GO HE WAS DOING HIS JOB
To wise guy wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:07 PM:How about moving out of the way and calling the police!!! I guess that was just to easy for White and his wife to do. Sounds easy enough to me, call 911.
To LitlBits wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:08 PM:Still waiting for all the facts ... but it does seem interesting that the states AG office determined there was not enough evidence to proceed with assault charges in this case.
scott wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:12 PM:I know if a person was ramming my vehilce with their vehicle, I would feel threatened and in danger of losing my life, and I would remove the threat with whatever means I could, including using a firearm.
RG1 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:15 PM:To All Bashers and LitBits at 8:39 and 9:02 respectively: Please try to keep up with the story as it unfolds. The State DA looked carefully at the situation quite some time ago to determine what charges to bring against Silva. The DA was specific in that there was NO EVIDENCE to show that she was "ramming" his car or any "assault with a 2500 pound car" or "deadly weapon". And FYI, since you "hope some drunk starts ramming my car in a parking lot" I will tell you I would rather deal with that than have some crazy out-of-control fool shooting into my car at me and my family.
Deanna wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:33 PM:She has had multiple offenses and utilized her car as a weapon endangering her child's life as well as the police officer and his wife. HE should have had his wife dial 911 instead of pulling out his gun. I'm sure it was a very scary situation for both sides. Road rage can really get the best of anyone involved! He definately should have his day in court as well.
Attention EX-O wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:47 PM:Wow...what an angry ex law enforcement officer. Just think, you yourself were out going 10-8. How many people did you harass. The point is he was not working and that is what is so upsetting with an average Joe like myself. If we was working, that is a whole different issue. Officer White is an Officer who thinks he is above everybody else. You can tell, from the way he cares himself.
Jerry wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:50 PM:Put me on juror, I am going to favor Silva's son. I hope the father of the son takes white to the cleaners and leaves with nothing. That is mean to say but a listen learned. A good cop would of not been carrying his gun. He would of left it home.
Attention to What A Joke wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:55 PM:How can you defend Officer White and say, he did right. I would understand if Officer White worked for the City of Oceanside but he works for SDPD. He is far away from his job. He shouldn't been carry his weapon with him. Officer White is just a power trip police officer.
EX-O wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:26 PM:To: Cardiffian, that is an extremely arrogant comment to make. Based on your statement we should do away with the court and jury system because you can just read an article and make up your mind about somebody' guilt. A judge beleives he should stand trial for his actions, that does not make him guilty. I am not defending him, I am just saying to let our court system deal with it and not the couch court.
Cardiffian wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:35 PM:Hey EX-O - you really need to re-read my post. My point is you don't have to be there to determine guilt or innocence. Jury's do it everyday. Your post of 2:26 says something very different than your post of 11:01. If you're sticking with the 2:26 post, we're on the same page.
I dont know wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:23 PM:Frank White personally and I doubt many, if any, blogging here do. You can, however, go to thetruthaboutfrankdotcom, and read about him.
Silva does deserve to go to jail on a three strikes law. She is on her third DUI, including child endangerment, a felony, for at least two of them. She was utterly and completely at fault in this situation and Frank was simply defending himself and his wife. Silva DID strike his vehicle. When he showed her his gun, she had the presence of mind to call 911, but NOT leave the scene or park? After he shot a "warning shot" to the left of her car, not knowing there was a child in it, she still tried to ram him again? I'm just thankful no one was seriously hurt, but I think White acted within his rights and Silva should go away for a long, long time. White should press civil charges against Silva, to boot. The woman is a menace to society.
Allen wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:41 PM:I was watching the news this afternoon and starting in January 2009...The Los Angeles Police Department will need to turn in their duty weapon at the end of their shift. The reason behind this all, a spokeperson said that officers tend carry their weapons with them, some take them to bars, parties, and use the weapon to their average if they get into a problem...Maybe San Diego County Police Departments need to adopt this and I know the Military Police turn in their duty weapons at the end of their shift.
To I dont know wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:54 PM:I did learn one thing from reading the Declaration in Support of Arrest Warrant for Rachel Silva. That is that White’s weapon was a 5-shot revolver. He unloaded his weapon. He was either scared, or was enraged with anger. Ok, I will buy either one of these situations with an untrained civilian. Now a trained peace officer, on the other hand, should hold better composure in this situation. Either way, White lost control motivated by fear or anger. I would think an officer more composed in this situation would have wanted to save a round or two in case they needed it.
This takes me to my point that either way, White shouldn’t be a peace officer. We don’t want someone who panics to the point of loosing control. It stands to reason that he didn’t scope the background for innocent bystanders. We know that’s the case with Johnny Silva. If he was angry beyond control, he should go to jail. We definitely don’t need someone like that to “protect” us.
We should only be glad that he didn’t have his 14-round Glock……..
Policies and Procedures wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:06 PM:It seem's obvious that Silva did something stupid, endangered her child and behaved recklessly, violently and should be convicted of felony stupid.
The second part to this equation is what do do with Mr. White. The tactics with what to do when confronted with a vehicle moving in your direction with the intent to harm you has always been debated in law enforcement. There are two options, shoot the vehicle hoping to stop the driver i.e stop the car or move out of the way and allow the vehicle to move through or cause damage. The debate is with the first option, shooting or causing harm or killing a driver of a vehicle. The argument basically comes down to you have a guided missle driving towards you with the intent to hurt you, you kill or harm the driver you have an unguided missle that could go anywhere.
I would take a bet that this one of the reasons why Mr. White is being charged, I bet you they are trying to identify if he acted in accordance with his known training. I am sure they want to know if there was an escape route and why he chose to do what he did. Imagine if Silva was shot, the vehicle made an abrupt turn missed Whites car and ended up on the 76 highway causing some insane wreck. I doubt we would be having this conversation. On the same token what if an errant gun shot wounded or killed someone else (unfortunately the child should not be put into this equation because the child was under the control of the mother, if someone is shooting at you with a baby in their arms shooting the baby is not much of a thought at that point). I believe White should be charged, was it the necessary course of action? Did he consider his surroundings? Did he have an escape route? Did the threat stop after the first gun shot or did he fire all rounds in quick succession. His bullet pattern was horrid so his marksmenship should be questioned as well... Just a thought.
FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:47 PM:There is a federal law that allows all cops to carry a concealed gun in all fifty states. It's there because cops know the reality of how fast a dirtbag can victimize someone and that is just one way to allow them the protection they deserve. If more people were allowed to carry guns crime would go down very quickly.
Skip wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:32 PM:The only winner here is the child.
He may have a chance to grow up now.
Drop the charges on the cop.
I would have done the same thing.
Alice wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:20 PM:In my opinion, the woman deserves what she gets and I hope she doesn't get a liberal judge that will give her a slap on the hand. As far as the officer is concerned, until you experience the adrenaline rush because you are in a situation of danger, then you need not judge. There have been many officers who have been off duty and have assisted against crime and they are allowed to use the weapon because they are certified gun carriers and allowed to carry a concealed weapon. In my opinion, he's a hero and I pray that he is exonerated of all charges. He was in a no win situation. If he wouldn't have done anything and that woman would have been in an accident and killed others including her child, the officer would have been blamed as well. Officer White, I support you and believe you did the right thing.
To FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:49 PM:Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD do something.
JimRT wrote on Nov 12, 2008 6:33 AM:To "To I dont know" and "Policies and Procedures", well said.
esteban wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:49 PM:I right here folks. NCT will not print my many responses to you. NCT is for free speech!
RG1 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 3:12 PM:For those of you who want your hero White, and/or Mansker, to go free because "of that drunk he got off the road who could have hurt someone with her/his driving, bla, bla, bla," you need to check the Law & Order article in this morning's paper. (LA sheriff targets drinking, guns). At least 61 LA County deputies have been arrested THIS YEAR on alcohol related charges while off duty, including 39 for DUI. This number is only those who were arrested! It does not include the multiple offenders who were caught and not arrested or not caught. Yeah, we do need to get drunks off the road, including LE officers, particularly those carrying guns off duty! Don't believe it? Read the article. Understand that I'm NOT defending Silva, she should be removed from the road, along with a lot of LEOs.
esteban wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:19 AM:I love the arguments that say just because Joe Citizen cannot carry CCW, then cops shouldn't either. HAHAAAAA! Nice logic! And Allen, LAPD is not turning in guns at the end of shift. That was just an erotic dream you had. Attention crooks, it is ok to run people over when you are mad at them. They CANNOT defend themselves no matter what.
Jaince wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:53 PM:I saw a clip on KTLA about Los Angeles Sheriffs want to adopt a policy and have their sheriffs carry their duty weapon during their off time. It makes sense, maybe San Diego County should adopt the same policy.
Jaince wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:54 PM:I saw a clip on KTLA about Los Angeles Sheriffs want to adopt a policy and have their sheriffs not carry their duty weapon during their off time. It makes sense, maybe San Diego County should adopt the same policy.
Hey Janice wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:53 PM:Make up your mind.
esteban wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:52 AM:janice, that will NEVER happen. You cannot ask someone to take people's freedom away during their work hours, then have them be unarmed during their off hours. Maybe we can ask the crooks to leave their guns at home during their off time too. Whoever thought of that policy is the dumbest person alive. Whoever agrees with that policy is also the dumbest person alive.
to esteban wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:08 AM:do you always have to get the last word in?
RG1 wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:36 AM:Regarding the policy to prevent cops carrying guns off duty, it's cops like White, Mansker, and DUI cops that make this the right thing to do. To want drunk off-duty cops roaming around with their guns is what is dumb, esteban. Notice I'm not calling you dumb, esteban, I saying your desire to protect all cops no matter how stupid they act is what's dumb. Notice the difference? Maybe your continued personal attacks and insults are why NCT doesn't always print your comments, and why other posters see yours as arrogant and irrelevant. You suppose?
esteban wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:16 PM:RG1...White and Mansker were drunk? When was the last time a DUI cop shot someone? I can't remember either. Even if that were the case, you are going to jeapordize the safety of thousands of cops and their families because of a few? Nice logic. And I don't stick up for all cops...just the ones that get hosed by the know it all public, like you.
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