Umm.. wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:01 PM:Oh hush up Esther. I hope you pull a ... so they finally send you Packin' in four years.

Coast Watcher wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:28 AM:Esther has been so nice running up to the election. I am glad to see her return to her true nature. ... Council meetings will now be as entertaining as ever.

neighbor wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:11 AM:I'll keep the FAA on speed dial to report the pilots who continue to buzz our neighborhood. Like a company from LA will be an improvement. Maybe the city council should move closer to the neighborhoods they vote for.

Jean wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:31 AM:Why an LA company!!!!! SD County does a great job with airports - but O'side just will not admit it is in SD County!!!

To Neighbor wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:40 AM:Maybe you should have noticed an airport next to your home before purchasing.

DAV wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:44 AM:to neighbor:
maybe you shouldn't move to a neighborhood next to an airport. no one made you move there

Julie wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:55 AM:To Neighbor: Let's see.. who was there first......The airport or the housing tract? Did you not know the location of the airport? Quit bellyaching.

Jim in Oceanside wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:07 AM:Esther, this is the only primary issue where I've disagreed with you. Because of all the other good you've done for Oceanside, I am proud to say that I voted for you. I wish you would understand that Oceanside needs this Airport and needs to enhance it in order to assist Oceanside in it's growth toward becoming a tourist destination. We need a small hotel adjacant to the airport as well as a nice restaurant overlooking the runway. For you who bought a home on the north side, you had to pass that runway on the way to the developement(s) in order to look at that house! Stop sniveling and live with the fact that the airport is here to stay! Get with the program and support improvements so that you too may be able to catch commuter flights from Oceanside instead of having to travel outside of our beautiful city!

Airport second wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:20 AM:Sorry, Dav and the other guy -- their was a neighborhood AND the abbey BEFORE the airport, if that's all you care about. And the airport is doomed. Nothing, absolutely nothing, is really going to happen there. I've heard from several experts. The darn thing is too small -- it would need to extend the runway, which it can't. It's a waste of resources for a handful of pilots.

Something rotten wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 AM:... in Oceanside. Esther was set to vote for this -- she said so at the last hearing. Kern pulled a fast one -- said he wanted to have the opportunity to discuss this, in closed session. Esther wanted a workshop, with no delays. Sounds like the the Kern motion was just a rouse -- for the election. There apparently WAS NO real discussion in closed session -- and Esther still wanted to hear from the public. I think it stinks that the majority of KFC left out the public. The reason I voted for Esther is because she supports public input. Voting for the motion would have been a vote against public input. The KFC dudes just wanted to be bullies. It's time we get a new council -- and take the "KC" out of the KFC. As much as I want a quality airport, I am insulted that you guys pushed through something without public input.

Matt wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:31 AM:To Neighbor,
This is actually a good deal for you. APV has taken on the responsibility to handle to noise complaints and will have a 24 hour phone hotline and email to lodge your complaints. No more “black hole” of the city’s complaint system. But please remember depending where you live you may be in the pattern and since the airport was there before you moved in you should have done your due diligence before moving in.

Agree wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:35 AM:with Coast Watcher! You are so right! LOL!

Ahhh... wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:13 AM:"Umm" seems to have eaten sour grapes. The pilots spent over $50,000 to unseat Sanchez, and instead she ended up with the highest votes -- even higher than Rocky. And Lowery came close to beating Feller -- Lowery stomped all over KFC's annointed "4th" supermajority hopeful Gibson. The residents have spoken -- no more bad decisions by KFC re development!

Osider wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:18 AM:Give me a break! We are letting an LA firm come and do this for us and the decision was made behind closed doors with no public input. WHATS WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?? This is the reason Esther was so against this. In addition, the city finally decides to upgrade when they should have done this many years ago and now, they will loose the land. Now, we let an LA firm come in and we the CITIZENS dont even know what they are going to do. WHAT THE HECK IS WRONG WITH THIS CITY?? I know, its the KFC crew!! We have the right as Oceanside Citizens to IMPEACH our council members if we are not pleased with their actions!!

Hilda wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:52 AM:Hey! Where's the massage parlor story? It was an historic vote by a 5-0 council that we'll never see again in 2 years! Thank you councilmembers for supporting the neighorhood. I know it will only be this one vote though. Sad.

Hard decision wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:16 AM:Wow! Not sure if it was the best thing to do. We've known for quite some time that there would be an airport lease. Why would the majority not want to get the whole council behind it? It was not a question of time -- the workshop could have been held last month. So, does the end justify the means? 50 years is a long time, without allowing the city to see if anyone else can do a better job. I guess we will all be crossing our fingers. Not very smart.

Airport not here before some wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:15 PM:I lived near the I-5 and 76 area and the homes were there before the airport. I now live in the valley and sometimes the planes come so near my home that all the windows shake and I can see the pilot eyes as he scopes out my pool. I hope that the new management group will police the pilots better but I doubt it. I want a nice airport but I also doubt that also. I will be dead and gone in 50 years so I pray this group will try to help. I only wish we had been given the chance to talk to them face to face in a work shop so that they could see we are not just cranky people who moved in next to the airport and have buyers remorse. Some of us were here long before and just want some reasonable neighbors.

Observer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:34 PM:If there was such a hue and cry for public input, where were they last night? Let’s get our facts straight: 1) Jerry Kern pulled the lease back because he had a problem with some of the wording and conditions. 2) Closed session is where leases, real estate transactions, legal and personnel matters are discussed. The public doesn’t negotiate the lease, the council does through staff. 3) If you look at the lease and the development agreement that was presented last month and the one that was passed last night it is a 100% better (thanks to Jerry), he even got APV to drop the “or some” language out of the development agreement. Sanchez’s anger was directed at Kern because he got the deal done and she couldn’t drag it out any longer than the three years she has already (with plenty of public input). To me the hostile council member is Miss Sanchez herself.

To Observer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:54 PM:To quote a favorite line from "Fargo:"

"You got that right!"

This town is held hostage by "the neighborhoods," as though this city should be a Balkanized collection of fiefdoms. It's about time some folks in positions to make decisions start thinking about the good of the entire city, not just their political constituencies. Sanchez will continue to be an embarrassment to grown-ups throughout this town. Until she's gone, this city will continue to run in place.

Older Lady wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:10 PM:A lot of us were here BEFORE the airport. Palomar pilots are zooming in over Oceanside neighborhoods ignoring the flight paths. Many are caught in the middle. Why not take off over the ocean and THEN head east?

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:36 PM:I live near the power plant. We have the 101, the train tracks, and Palomar airport as noise makers. If the wind is right I can hear the 5 as well at night. You know what? I don't care. Having these things near me is part of living in a crowded beach area. I deal with it because I chose to live here.
If you do not want to put up with noise, then take a cue from Oliver Wendell Douglass, start singing the theme to Green Acres and move to the country faaar away from any noises.

We have already lost too many airports and race tracks because of the whiners making more noise than planes or race cars ever did.

Who was first is not relavent wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:42 PM:Legally who was first does not matter, it is not a legal principle, it is just rhetoric. The legal test is whether or not one owners use unreasonably infringes on another landowners use. The landmark case involved a Del Webb housing tract next to a pig farm. Pig farm was there first but it was determined to be unreasonable after tract homes were built. you have to look at the totality and public benefit vs. the detriment. I know that the airport detractors are exaggerating the severity of the problem. It is very small planes that use Oceanside airport. Hardly enough to make your windows rattle like Lindberg field. I also doubt you can see the pilots eyes as someone suggested.

Marble wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:11 PM:There's no tower at Oside; it is an "uncontrolled" airport, meaning 'the honor system' is used for ascent-descent. Unless the agreement calls for a tower to be built and staffed, the new mgmt company will have little if any control over pilot actions.

light bulb wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:18 PM:Its about time this city starts thinking on a larger scale. Time to embrace LA and OC business. This dump(o'side) is a coastal community with tanking property values, and many foreclosures. Wonder Why...? You are all getting what you deserve. Continue thinking small scale to satisfy every citizen and this is what you'll get. Start looking to the prosperous coastal towns north of here the next time any business descisions need to be made.

Another Coincidence wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:52 PM:Here we are with the second controversial story less than a few days post elect. First the City Attorney with his Police dress settlement and now the City Manager with the Airport hold for Council Member Sanchez. Oh how much different this vote would have gone if Lowery was elected. Whatever you position, shame on staff for facilitating political agendas like this.

Neighbor 2 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:23 PM:I've lived to the north of thte airport since 1994. I was there before most of the houses were built. It doesn't bother me, not at all. SR-76 traffic is louder than the airport. Also, although you can't hear them, very large commercial jets fly directly above our neighborhood, which could crash just as easily but produce enormous damage. I'm not a pilot, but I agree, you moved there. The airport has been there since 1961. Nothing new but the whining. It is a very valuable resource. Mercy Air picks up the injured at that airport almost daily. I've witnessed two crashes in 17 years. Compare that to SR-76.

To Observer wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:53 PM:Hah, you're right! "Balkanized collection of fiefdoms"--that is so perfect!

It is all about getting even wrote on Nov 14, 2008 5:23 PM:So the Pilots Association did not support Sanchez and Sanchez now votes against a contactor to run the airport. I have seen a lot of flip flopping in my time, but this action of Council Member Sanchez makes absolutely no sense. Let's punish the City to state our disapproval of the Pilots Association. ... I do not support the airport, but these type of tactics stink.