Sharp Mission Park Patients wrote on Nov 18, 2008 7:32 PM:Not long ago Scripps Clinic purchased the Sharp Mission Park Clinic. Unfortunately, Sharp Mission Park Clinic patients can no longer go to Tri City hospital for emergencies. It is upsetting for most of us who are within an easy commmute to Tri-City hospital that we must now re-route to Encinitas. I believe the reason for the expansion is directly related to the recent Sharp Mission Park acquisition. The connection was not mentioned in this article.

just wondering wrote on Nov 18, 2008 8:36 PM:Are these the same kind of whining homeowners who buy next to an airport and then complain about noise?

not a whiner wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:11 PM:I have lived next to the hospital for 13 years with little problem (except for the occasional hypodermic needle found in the road, along with latex gloves and gauze....)-- how about I build a 4 story 30 unit condo on my property that would generate 700 car trips a day on the same street the hospital uses for access and block the westerly sun from the Scripps property -- think the hospital would not voice concern? Why does the hospital have to dump its traffic on residential streets -- BUILD SCRIPPS DRIVE!

you sound like a whiner wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:21 PM:nuff said

appropriate expansion wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:37 AM:The discussion needs to focus on what types of building are needed and suitable for the size and location of the campus. How is that discussion not a win/win for Scripps and for every person within Encinitas or who drives the I5 corridor? It is critical to question decisions and to expect careful and intelligent debate about public policy. Apparently, anytime anyone questions the design and scope of a development, they are whiners. In your life and business do you just accept everything at face value, or ask questions to determine whether the decisions make sense? Then again, maybe this anonymous venue makes you feel safe enough to act like a child calling names.

John E wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:19 AM:"Sharp Mission Park Patients" brings up a huge issue in these days of managed health care -- access to local facilities. Scripps and Sharp should operate under some sort of reciprocal agreement, under which patients could receive care in their own communities, saving great amounts of money, time, frustration, and fossil fuel.

Citizen wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:33 AM:Public discourse and opposition are at the very foundation of our democracy. This is the public's legally mandated period to raise issues and questions. Good citizenship is not whining. Name calling and rudeness without any information, opinions, knowledge of the issues or community perspective is unacceptable in a democratic process.

The notion that all building, all business is acceptable is the result of an uninformed class of drones, not citizens.

citizen wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:39 AM:What part of public comment period do these commenters not get? In this democratic process we are invited to spend the next 45 days questioning, digging up information, challenging lies and demanding answers. This is our civil responsibility. We owe it to our community and our children.

Jane wrote on Nov 19, 2008 8:12 AM:I feel the neighbor's concerns about traffic and parking are very pertinent.

I am not a neighbor, but I do NOT feel the neighbors are whining. That is the purpose of a comment period, to calmly and honestly discuss the issues without pitting one segment of the population against another.

I feel that Scripps Drive should be built, and that perhaps stickers should be required for the parking garage, so that if staffers from the hospital parked on surrounding streets, there could be consequences. I know in San Francisco, where parking is a big problem, there are resident stickers for parking, and others are allowed only limited parking (two hour) on residential or mixed use streets.

Citizen wrote on Nov 19, 2008 9:15 AM:Jane, I should have been clear that my comment was based on the two who accused people with legitimate concerns as being whiners.

And, I feel like we are all sharing the same diminishing water shed and we are all breathing the same air. That makes us all neighbors. The traffic impact goes way beyond this immediate area.

Reading the PEIR only begins to address these issues.

Cardiffian wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:03 AM:Could someone please explain how Scripps Drive is supposed to connect with Requeza? I assume that the drive has to S through the current property, but the exit seems to be at Devonshire. If it were to dump out at Requeza, wouldn't they have to build a bridge over the freeway? Thanks

Whyd Scripps stop talks wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:24 AM:I find it interesting that Scripps states in this article they have "tried to" work with the neighbors. Then why has all communication for the last many months been through its attorney? Why did she or any Scripps rep fail to show up at their scheduled meeting with the City and Neighbors to answer questions about how Scripps analyzed the Scripps Drive proposal and how they came to the conclusions it wouldn't be a "win" for them?

Scripps Drive wrote on Nov 19, 2008 11:27 AM:would result in the exit currently near Melba on Devonshire simply being moved further down Devonshire closer to Requeza, with the connection between Scripps and this moved exit to occur on Scripps property. This keeps traffic from being funneled through our North/South streets, and makes Scripps toll booth and any related queuing of cars occur on their property, not our streets.

Cardiffian wrote on Nov 19, 2008 1:54 PM:Got it. Thanks

2 just wondering wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:58 PM:I agree with you....too many NIMBYs. We NEED more hospital facilities in the county, and feel privileged to have one in my community.

No one is against wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:16 PM:the hospital just asking for the basic protections for our residential community. I am certain you would do the same. Is a wall and an internal road too much to ask for? No, it isn't. Mr. Collins is incorrect. Scripps has not done everything to try and work with the community! They built a 6' wall at one end of the street, but won't agree to build one at the other end!! That does not sound like someone trying to be a good neighbor! Come on Scripps do the right thing!!

We all want wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:19 PM:a quality hospital in our community, but do you want all of the patients who will be coming from other cities and the traffic it will bring too? Read the NC Times article from 11/15 regarding the purchase by Scripps of the Sharp Mission Park Medical Group and what that will mean to Encinitas. In a nutshell, it will send all of the patients that used to go to Tri-City to Encinitas. Patients who live in Vista, Oceanside, Carlsbad. I'm sure they would rather receive health care in their own community. We'll get all of the traffic!

Tired of Santa Fe wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:24 PM:I travel down Santa Fe every morning to get to the 5. I don't know where this increased traffic is going to go, but Santa Fe is a mess already! With the people heading to the high school, junior high, Scripps and to the freeway, this road just can't take much more. I understand what these people want. I would want the same thing. Scripps has the money. IF they want to be a part of this community, then they should talk to their neighbors and be an asset to the community, not a problem!

from north leucadia wrote on Nov 19, 2008 5:50 PM:for just wondering - As the first couple of posts mentioned, under current health care practices many people that have group insurance policies cannot use Scripps. Under Veba, what most teachers in the county are under, only a very few can use Scripps Encinitas Hospital. Most in north county must use the hospital in Escondido or Tri Cities. Therefore I as a teacher cannot use the hospital in my community. What is wrong with this picture???????

2 just wondering wrote on Nov 19, 2008 6:35 PM:We may need more hospital facilities in the county. Problem is Scripps is focused on building a pay-to-park parking garage and medical office building (money makers) and simply directing patients who used to go to Tri-City to the existing hospital facilities. Maybe you can get the hospital services you want in the garage.

funny wrote on Nov 19, 2008 8:26 PM:A few days earlier there were a bunch of people whining on an NCTimes blog that they couldn't buy a house close enough to Tri-City hospital. Here we have a bunch of people whining that they are too close to a hospital! Maybe you all should get together and trade properties. Oh, but wait, then you'd have nothing to whine about.

It is all about me wrote on Nov 19, 2008 9:01 PM:I bought my property next to Scripps Hospital a few years ago because I love the view of I-5 and the sound of traffic. I did not think the hospital would ever change or grow. How dare they do anything on that property without my consent! The needs of the community come second to me because I am a homeowner. I demand reparations!

CBS mom wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:21 PM:.... where are those folks who had issues with Hall Property traffic..... don't they realize that the hospital is 24/7 traffic down Santa fe & adjoing streets? Here is their new cause!!

Previous Council betray community wrote on Nov 19, 2008 10:47 PM:The Encinitas General Plan only allows two stories or 30 feet tall buildlings. Years ago an exception was made where some medical buildings could go to three stories. When Scripps came to the Council with a request that the Council change the General Plan for Scripps to build the 59 feet tall buildings, it was granted. That Council, without the vote of the people, approved the change just for Scripps. Spot zoning for Scripps.

To Sharp Mission Park Patients wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:35 AM:You can always go to Tri-City in an emergency. If you want to have a hospital in your community and don't want to travel to Encinitas or La Jolla for medical care, you can switch your primary care doctor to one who refers to Tri-City. You don't have to wait for open enrollment to do that.

To Poster at 735 am. wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:03 PM:Partially true. Yes you can switch medical groups and doctors and then be referred to Tri City. However,I have two friends, both Sharp Mission Park patients, separate events, who have recently gone to Tri City ER and have been turned away. One was transported by ambulance to Scripps Encinitas to be tested, treated & released. The other transported themselves. I suppose for life threatening illnesses/injuries Tri City is obligated to stabilize before transport. But really, who wants to change their doctors for the sake of a hospital choice? I guess that's what it comes down to. Too bad Scripps won't contract with Tri City and forego the expansion but it looks like that's not in the business plan.

big business wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:41 PM:obviously Scripps wants to make money, or it would lease or buy or work somehow with Tri-City so north county has accessible health care --- are they trying to put Tri-City out of business? BTW -- Scripps doesn't take many insurance plans because Scripps prices are too high for those plans. Also, if you go to the Scripps ER the first thing they want to know is what is your insurance --- then, they triage the insured people, those with the best coverage (i.e. Scripps can charge more for the same service) will get funneled into the high priced trauma track if space is available so Scripps can charge more for the treatment and try to make up what it loses on uninsured patients. No so bad to be seen sooner in the ER -- but, you will have to pay more deductible too because you received crisis care. Do people really still place doctors on a pedestal? Wake up. It is a business and people are the customers. American health care has been ruined by corporate greed.

to big business wrote on Nov 21, 2008 10:34 PM:Did you know that Scripps is a non-profit corporation? Do you even know what that means? Of course they still want to operate in the black. That's how businesses stay alive. Tri-City, on the other hand, seems to enjoy going broke. Perhaps bad insurance contracts are part of their problem. Regardless, Tri-City would rather get its money from taxing local homeowners than earn it.

Your "insurance triage" is also a bunch of nonsense. My mom was just admitted this week through the ER at Encinitas. Lousy insurance did not keep her from getting excellent and timely care. As far as putting doctors on a pedestal, what have you done to help society?