Umm.. wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:13 AM:Stick it to Westfield! The irony here is that Plaza Camino Real was originally proposed for this location in Oceanside but Carlsbad made a better deal, and Oceanside wouldn't budge .. and got the Drive-Ins instead.

Cody wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:20 AM:This is gonna be great!!! We need a decent theatre. The one on Hill Street really stinks. Thank you council dudes!

greedo wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:53 AM:picked the perfect time to build this, nice economy. The plans are probably centered around north county's biggest 99 cent store

Hooray wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:16 AM:Now we can take our business down the hill and not clear to Carlsbad. This is walking distance and the sooner it is built the better. Bring it on! All the complaining from those on the North side of the property are a minority. Heck, they can walk there too. What a nice place for us to spend time and money. Well, at least time! This will dress up the valley for sure.

Sam wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:31 AM:GREAT! It was nice to see the measure pass. It will be great for the city of Oceanside. What is the matter with Rocky Chavez?

Move over KFC wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:42 AM:The pave it over award goes to Wood and Sanchez this time? What's up with this new concrete pave it over group?

Joe wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:42 AM:Re: Pavillion at Oceanside shopping center. I see no mention of the airport in the article. The shopping center is directly beneath the final approach to the runway. Has anyone noticed the altitude at which aircraft are over the proposed shopping center? How about the turbulence created by buildings which will affect the stability of a/c on the final leg for landing at the airport?

Paul wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:52 AM:Another example of the City Council ignoring their responsibility to the community. The developer should never be allowed to do this without funding the additional road enhancements needed for safety. Shame Shame Shame...

James wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:54 AM:I understand that we need something there, but more small "closet" stores? From they way Oceanside is growing we will be like little TJ in a few years. I am glad they did not mention Target or Best Buy, why would we ruin our area with those stores? Someone from the council needs to take a good look at the stores off the 78. Downtown is ruined, just look at the stores they have? Open your eyes! During Christmass time how many of us will be shopping around downtown? Mostly kids, I'll be going to Carlsbad or other cities. Again we have a chance to make something nice and enjoyable to ALL familes, not just the few.

Lora wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:03 AM:Do we really need another shopping mall, NOW? The economy is in the toilet, and people simply don't have money to spend. There is a brand new Medical Office building at Mission and Mission Gate, that is vacant, many commercial sites have vacancies, businessesm are closing, not opening, so who would benefit from more commerical buildings? The Mexican laborers who will build the structures (yes, all these low paying jobs that American workers won't do) and the developers, who can take a tax write off, when their properties stand empty!

Enough already! Use the spaces we already have, fill the homes that stand vacant, before building more, and restore common sense to our people.

Oside wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:53 AM:Hey Carlsbad, "MYOB"!!

Umm.. wrote on Nov 20, 2008 8:59 AM:Amazing how that place on Hill Street went to the dumps really fast. Just like the one near College & Mission. Before they expanded that place to 13 screens, before they changed names and management, that place used to kick butts. Now it's an other stinky sticky floor and rotten popcorn dump, too.

FTM wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:35 AM:Council dudes and dudettes did do very good here - very cool thanks.

Construction is almost 2 years so now is the PERFECT time to build this center because construction costs will be very cheap in 2009 and the economy will be reviving in 2010 when this center will be opening.

He Said wrote on Nov 20, 2008 9:47 AM:Luckily this project won't be completed soon. That will give the higher end establishments time to get through the current economic times and then be ready to commit. It's too soon to get commitments now. What? No KFC remarks? Naturally Kern couldn't vote. That leaves only Chavez who didn't comply as with the Marina Towers. Is KFC going to change now to WFS? And, Feller's comments about Westfield were right on!!

Chuckles Supports A Boycott wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:41 AM:If Westfield litigates, I would encourage folks to boycott Westfield Plaza Camino Real and simply shop elsewhere this holiday season. There are plenty of other places to go -- like the Forum in Carlsbad, the Promenade in Temecula, and the Shops at Mission Viejo.

Donald Haas wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:45 AM:Whether you agree with it or not, it of course makes sense to build it now... if you are going to build it. You draw up plans and build it when the economy is bad. Labor and materials are cheaper now than when they were in high demand. It will then be up and ready around the same time the economy is making a come back.

greedo is Right wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:11 AM:This is the perfect time to build, although greedo and Lora probably don't know much about economics! Our economy needs projects like this. Yes, there will be construction jobs and this will employ people who spend money in our community. Lora, what a bigot you are. The Mexican laborers pay taxes and are part of the community whether you like them or not. The attitudes of greedo and Lora are what will continue to sink the economy. Wow, the City Council has done an amazing job despite the nay-sayers and bigots. Thank you, City Council!

about time......11-16-7 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:58 AM:about time more jobs mean more money, more money means more spending, more spending it what the economy needs!!!1

Gary in Murrieta wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:32 PM:They should be OK, as long as they do not build an entire mall around Furniture Stores like they did in Murrieta. That shopping center is a ghost town and the only store getting any business is the In-and-Out Burger joint.

The new mall in Menife looks like it is doing pretty good.

Build it and they will come.

Been to Plaza Camino Real lately wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:47 PM:It's a dump! The shopping is HORRIBLE at that mall! I am all for this new shopping center..hopefully they chose their stores wisely. A Nordstrom Rack or Crate & Barrel would be nice to have in this area! :)

older lady wrote on Nov 20, 2008 1:58 PM:to about time-
They're going to creat about 2800 jobs. So we can guess 'top pay' will be about $10/hr. More clerks and counter people that 'The Mall' will take advantage of. How about a manufacturing center with SKILLED JOBS instead?

JOBS..... wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:20 PM:Great more minimum wage jobs for Oceanside... - Thanks Council, and Thomas Enterprises Vice President Mel Kuhnel - for nothing!

I am sick of the City and Developers Trying to sale the pitch that such type of Developments will bring in jobs.

Yes they will but what they don't tell us is to remember - You can't own a house, raise a family, have health care, or good retirement options by working at a strip mall retail store!!!

So once again pollute our Coastal City with meaningless Jobs, and Keep the residents Commuting to Business Parks in other cities..

One would think the City would want to bring in SUSTAINABLE Jobs....

anyone else?

To about time 11-16-7 wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:25 PM:Dude, you must be one of the people who are stuck living your life according to the media.

NO this is the time for people to realize We need to save our monies and stop spending it on superficial things that do nothing to help your savings in times like this.....tisk, tisk,.

Save your $$ for a better life. Not a junky one

Jerry in Carlsbad wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:44 PM:Once again Oceanside is doing it all wrong. Deny the DOT appeal? 30,000 extra vehicles a day without any requirement that the builder expand 76 or contribute to the Pala Rd extension?
Done right this will bring people from all over to shop in Oceanside. But you need to have the roads to get them there. If you live in Oceanside and use the 76, this project without road improvements spells a traffic disaster. This is shaping up to be another failed project courtesy of Oceanside's city government.

boomerang wrote on Nov 20, 2008 3:01 PM:All you naysayers will be sitting in a coffee shop at the Pavilion and watching a movie in the brand new theater in a couple of years enjoying what's there so quit your whining. And what the heck is Rocky thinking? He only wants the $16M Pala Rd extension to support the awful asphalt plant he wants. Why is Rocky so hung up on asphalt? Does he have a financial interest in the asphalt company? Is that why he wants the road built. We see through you, Rocky, and that's why you didn't get elected Mayor.

JOBS... Youre Out of Touch wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:06 PM:The U.S. lost 240,000 jobs last month alone! What jobs are available to bring to Oceanside that every other city in this state and country aren't trying to get? You people are out of touch. I'm thankful I live in a city that has a large construction project like this. There are plenty of cities that would love this opportunity. I'm happy my kids will have more options for places to work while they are attending MiraCosta college. Most retail and movie theater jobs are for people who want to work parttime. To make good money, buy a house and raise a family, you need to be a skilled, educated person. I think it is great that Oceanside is moving forward with this project in these hard economic times! Count your blessings, Oceanside!

Spend it in Oceanside wrote on Nov 20, 2008 4:17 PM:Keep the money in Oceanside. We are all going to other cities to shop. I would much rather spend my cash in Oceanside than in Carlsbad. I hope my son can work on the construction site. He worked for a builder but has been out of work for months. Thanks for creating the construction jobs Oceanside.

Mia wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:10 PM:Let's think positive, Oceanside is a military town. Our men and women in the military will not get laid off, they are compensated for the difficult jobs they do and they like to shop. I welcome this project and I hope for a Costco or a Sam's Club. God Bless America!

Pirate wrote on Nov 20, 2008 6:30 PM:Wood and Sanchez spent the election saying they care about neighborhoods and traffic. The Department of Transportation appeals the inadequate road planning and future traffic mess, and only Chavez is concerned about it. I guess we will forget their vote in four years when they again tell us they care about us. By the way, why am I suppose to be excited about another Target. I thought we were a world class city, to quote Jack Feller.

dude wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:17 PM:note to author...the development entitlement has been approved, not the construction plans. construction drawing will take AT LEAST 6-9 months to get through the city. this project will not break ground for a year if at all, with the economy in the dumps.

Agree About Time wrote on Nov 20, 2008 7:35 PM:Its about time. Build it big and tax it bigger. Once it is built, boost the public safety to keep the typical oceanside riff-raff out, so it stays clean!

Think About It wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:57 PM:If the Pavilion opens and traffic is hindering access, don't you think they will see it's in their own best interest to pay for the road improvements? In a bad economy, with the developer already skittish about going forward with this project - it would be insane to impose more conditions on them! I think this is a great development for our city! By the way, we have plenty of space for future development of manufacturing businesses - if we can ever attract more of that kind of business to Oceanside.

nygranny wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:39 PM:I'm really disappointed to see that the majority didn't do the necessary thing and ensure that the developer pay the tab for any street improvements...but oh no, gotta stick it to the taxpayers. This should be part of any city council member's education, nofreemeals 101a. Haven't any of these people watched the ravages of the wally stores? Always stick it to the taxpayers and keep the businesses happy and local, regardless of what kind of revenue they bring in!
Shame on you and thanks for sticking up for us Rocky!

Matt wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:42 PM:Hey James, they did mention BB & Tarjet. Well, I don't understand what is the problem with Chavez, this is a good thing, we need it. Get rid of those eye sore drive-ins and get something there that generates money, what is wrong with that. I would even say, level the airport and extend shops there, you could put a huge super walmart there. OHH yeah, that would be a money generator for sure. Yes, I agree, it needs another access road, that can be added sometime later when all is done. And Kern, what is up your bum about this project??!!

typical oceanside riff-raff wrote on Nov 21, 2008 4:23 AM:pave paradise and you put up a parking lot

jellyfish wrote on Nov 21, 2008 3:16 PM:When possible, one should negotiate from a position of strength, not desparation. If you can't pay for road improvements through contributions from the developer who's project is creating the traffic, how will those already badly needed improvements be paid for?

Good planning makes for sound development. Poor planning makes for, well you have numerous examples of the results of poor planning in Oceanside. The infastructure will be there long after this shopping center has become funtionally obsolite.

Rockys right wrote on Nov 21, 2008 11:18 PM:A second point of access to a shopping center of this size, right off a major hwy, is critical! Think of how horribly congested the Pacific Coast Plaza gets with only one way in/out (and it's absolutely impossible during the holidays). Extension of Pala Rd. definitely should have been included in this deal.