Sigh wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:58 AM:A whole group of letters today from people who believe they have more rights than others. A real holier-than-thou crowd.

I am sad they give religion such a bad name.

Jesus wept.

... wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:18 AM:With his letter, Brett Switzer doesn’t show his hate, he shows his cluelessness.
The No on 8 supporters are supposed to be tolerant, he writes. Then he adds, “Well, I guess it's different when what I believe affects their life.” How about profoundly and fundamentally affecting someone else’s life, Brett?
To cap it off, “Don't they think that if Proposition 8 had not passed, it would have affected mine?” They never say exactly how, do they? Tangentially? In the abstract?
In the eight months between the Court ruling and the vote no one, no one, had shown how gay marriage adversely affected their life in any way, shape or form that required a Constitutional remedy to rectify the injustice.

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:58 AM:Robert Polito writes it was a shame we had to vote to clarify what marriage is. That some are trying to redefine marriage.
What we really voted on was to redefine the Equal Protection and anti-discrimination sections of the California Constitution. Separate but equal?
Mr. Polito doesn’t even try to hide his true intent, as most Prop 8 supporters do. He wants that separation to be 3000 miles by seeing all homosexuals move to Connecticut. It’s clear the real issue here is not marriage.
Be careful what you wish for, the next Constitutional right a bare majority takes away may be yours.

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:34 AM:Kim Oakley makes an interesting point.
What really appeals to me is, “Since God's word doesn't approve of practicing homosexual behavior…” But God’s word doesn’t approve of working on Sunday either.
Should we vote on a Constitutional Amendment that allows Californians to watch football in peace? Ah, but then the NFL would be violating God’s word. A real conundrum.
When you’re watching the Chargers tomorrow night, keep in mind that you’re also mocking Kim’s moral codes. However, this should not have an affect on the Cafeteria Christians among us.

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:43 AM:What Junious Montgomery doesn’t seem to grasp is that putting people back in government that actually know what they’re doing is a good thing.
For a change, as it were.

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:02 AM:Peggy Stanley bemoans, “…a lifestyle that kills.” And, “ … your behavior is becoming dangerous to all the rest of us.”
She could be talking about tobacco and alcohol users. But she’s not, is she?
Where’s the outrage?
Get off your soapbox, Peggy.

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:34 AM:Carolyn Wilt says she sincerely believes that gays should have all of the same rights and privileges of people who are straight. Except the right and privilege to get married.
Amazing.
Let’s just call it something different, she says. Then it’s not the same, is it, Carolyn?
Again, separate but equal?
That should be a losing argument in any court in the land. If it prevails, it would overturn 50 years of judicial precedents. And then it’s Katie, bar the door.
People could start voting to take rights away across a broad spectrum. Maybe some you hold dear.
Are we really going there?

Kevin wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:57 AM:There are quite a few letters today from Yes on 8 supporters that profess not to understand the 'intolerant' no on 8 behavior and associated point of view. Wishing homosexuals would just go away to another state or believing that they are 'not right' is a sign that we do need more Universities around that provide education to the people that cannot think this through. I'm not a homosexual; however, I understand they've been singled out and denied rights by a larger majority. Sad!

wtf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:10 AM:In the end, this debate over Prop 8 is not about the Bible, God’s word, a moral code or even the word marriage. It’s about the law. It’s about the Constitution of California and, ultimately, the Constitution of the United States.
Some say if the CA Supreme Court rules one way or another we’ll just vote them out. Then why have courts at all? The people can vote on every issue.
There’s a reason the Framers made U.S. Supreme Court Justices not subject to elections. There’s a reason they enacted a very stringent process for amending the U.S. Constitution.
We witnessed those reasons here in California on Nov. 4th.
Eliminating basic civil rights and equal treatment under the law on the whim of a bare majority, based largely on how effective or ineffective the television advertising was, is inconceivable.
To me, at least.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:20 AM:Marriage is between a man and a woman The law of the land is the United States Constitution. It is not the Bible or any other alleged holy book. The Supreme Court will eventualy decide this issue as it and DOMA are challenged. BTW, it is not about marriage,sacremental or secular. It is about the equal protection of the law.

OBAMAPREZ wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:55 AM:I am amazed and impressed by the sudden conversion of Junious Montgomery, who for the last year or so has been writing letter after letter criticizing everything he could - real or imagined - about Barack Obama. All of a sudden, he is showing his concern over how the message of "change" is being mitigated by Obama's choice to include experienced Washington insiders.

Actually, the only thing Mongomery demonstrates is his own raw hypocrisy, as well as the typical conservative ignorance about how government works that has gotten us into our current mess.

And the experience thing?
I'll repeat yet again: I am utterly amazed at how the same people that complained that Obama lacks EXPERIENCE are now complaining that he is, what? Hiring people with experience!
Let me explain how this works: the President decides policy. The staff implements the policy. What better than to have POLICY decided by someone with fresh ideas from outside the beltway, and then implemented by those who actually have experience making the machinery of Washington work. But of course this is just way over the heads of conservatives like Montgomery.

He Said wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:11 AM:Re: letter from S. Robert Polito: There seems to be little change in the attitudes toward youth since Socrates' pronouncements (as reported by Plato).

Heckuva job Junious wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:36 AM:Having been a defender and supporter of mediocrity and incompetence in government for the past eight years, it’s easy to see how Junious Montgomery now sees a change from that as somehow suspicious and worthy of his critique.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:37 AM:...[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:43 AM: The change is the program. Change does not mean that you are going to place in offices neophytes to achieve the goal. But, that is all that the conservatives have to criticize at the present time in addition to alleged future acts not even codified into law or implemented.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:41 AM:...[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:02 AM: Just recognized a fact about heterosexuals. Most of the crime committed in the USA are committed by heterosexuals. I would be willing to also wager that the majority of criminals were at some time in a Christian church.

To Polito wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:51 AM:Polito writes
"I'd like to see the homosexuals ... move en masse to Connecticut."

This is very disturbing and sounds like bigotry and hate. Shameful.

Stop your fear and hate towards homosexuals and other minorities.

Equal Rights for all citizens.

Gotta Wonder wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:53 AM:S. Robert Polito: Here is another Dumbo. He thinks that the UCSD students are stupid for supporting anti Prop 8 position as they are products of a heterosexual marriage. It is this way, Dumbo. The youth were standing up for equal protection under the law and for civil rights. The Constitution must be the supreme law of the land. There must be equal rights for everyone devoid of discrimination. I just gotta wonder.

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:00 AM:Brett Switzer asks:
"Be tolerant of my beliefs."

Fat chance of that by the homosexuals who refer to other's as "breeders."

Fat Chance wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:17 AM:Ron[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:00 AM: LOL. The homosexuals are the victims. It is Bret and her majority are the intolerant asking for tolerance. It is an absolute joke. Ron, you trying to be a clown today! Homosexauls call heterosexuals, breeders. My oh my. That is just awful. The editor can not publish in this format the horrible names that the gays have been called.

Tony wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:20 AM:TO:
Switzer
Polito
Oakley
Stanley
Wilt

MONOGAMY

You hide behind religion, bible, church.

You folks and others like you are shameful.

You are not thinking educated people.

Equal Civil Rights for all citizens.

There is no such thing as separate but equal.

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:35 AM:S. Robert Polito says:
"University students devoid of sense"...

Not just devoid of sense, devoid of an education. In fact, most americans sadly, do not know how our system of government works, nor the history surrounding it.
According to a survey taken recently,
Americans taking ISI’s civic literacy test, 71% failed. Nationwide, the average score on the test is only 49%. The vast majority cannot recognize the language of Lincoln’s famous speech.

The test contains only 33 questions designed to measure knowledge of America’s founding principles, political history, international relations, and market economy.

The test is mainly a test basic knowledge that should be known by any high school graduate. Six questions were borrowed from U.S. government naturalization exams that test knowledge expected of all new American citizens. Nine are taken from the National Assessment of Educational Progress tests that the U.S. Department of Education uses to assess high school seniors. Three are drawn from typical American History 101 exams found in most college entrance exams.

The results reveal that Americans are alarmingly uninformed about our Constitution, the basic functions of our government, the key texts of our national history, and economic principles.
Even 43% the Nation's politicians failed to know what the Electoral College was, or that it was mandated by the Constitution. Many answered the question by saying it was a "college" for preparing the President.

Less than half can name all three branches of the government.
Only 21% know that the phrase “government of the people, by the people, for the people” comes from Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address.
Although Congress has voted twice in the last eight years to approve foreign wars, only 53% know that the power to declare war belongs to Congress. Almost 40% incorrectly believe it belongs to the president.
Only 55% know that Congress shares authority over U.S. foreign policy with the president. Almost a quarter incorrectly believe Congress shares this power with the United Nations.
Only 27% know the Bill of Rights expressly prohibits establishing an official religion for the United States.
Less than one in five know that the phrase “a wall of separation” between church and state comes from a letter by Thomas Jefferson.
Almost half incorrectly believe it can be found in the Constitution.
Americans from all age groups, income brackets, and political ideologies fail the test of civic literacy.

In case your wondering what I scored, 90.91%....
The American Civic Literacy Program has the quiz, in case your interested.

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:44 AM:Do you hear this violin playing?
"Fat Chance" @8:17 AM?

"..homosexuals are the victims."???

Of what? Dogs, and firehoses? Seperate bathrooms and drinking fountains? You riding in the back of the bus?

Your being denied one word...

Get over yourself, your Malignant narcissism is showing again.

Subject wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:45 AM:Ron[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:35 AM:
Your little tirade has nothing to do with the support of or unsupport of Prop 8. Noticed that about you.

Tony wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:46 AM:Wonder if Switzer, Polito, Oakley, Stanley, and Wilt only want to live with non-thinking non-educated religious whites.

This is probably their last chance.

"In a Generation, Minorities May Be the U.S. Majority

The New York Times, By Sam Roberts

Ethnic and racial minorities will comprise a majority of the nation’s
population in a little more than a generation, according to new Census
Bureau projections, a transformation that is occurring faster than
anticipated just a few years ago.

The census calculates that by 2042, Americans who identify themselves as
Hispanic, black, Asian, American Indian, Native Hawaiian and Pacific
Islander will together outnumber non-Hispanic whites. Four years ago,
officials had projected the shift would come in 2050. [continued]"

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:47 AM:Yep, I saw em too, Michael Sergent.

All that Post-election litter
from Nick Liebham...

and I thought he was supposed to be the "greener" candidate?

silly me...

Pluto wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:51 AM:Good job ...! I understand Mr. Polito's frustration, however. Those college students represent the future, he does not.

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:53 AM:Mary Pomerene says...
"Impeach both Bush, Cheney"...

Another sad example of Bush Derangement Syndrone.

And the real sad part of it is, if Barackous Nobamous has his way, he'll steal drug company profits, or...
socialize them as Maxine Waters would say, basically.. take them over,
And then Mary will have no chance of ever being cured.
Obviously, if the election of the messiah {small "m"}, "The One" has not cured her, maybe.. nothing will.

Marriage License Analogy wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:59 AM:If you follow the building code, the city will issue you a building permit for your house, just like they did for your neighbor. You have the same rights as they.

But if YOU insist on calling your proposed trailer home a house, just because you like camping, it's still a trailer. You won't get the permit.

Ah, but you say you can only be happy in a trailer. The law should recognize you because you're special, and give you "equal" rights, when in fact you want more rights than your neighbor.

Sorry. If you like trailers, go live in a trailer park.

Pluto wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:01 AM:Speaking of frustration, this rash of H8 letters is a reaction to the millions of gay rights supporters who were in the street last Saturday. 20-25,000 in San Diego is amazing! There will be a candle-light vigil in Oceanside this evening. Like Ghandi said about the struggle for justice "we lose, we lose, we lose - until we win". There was an eighteen percentage point shift in our favor between Prop 22 in 2000 and Prop 8. History and the constitution are on our side. We shall overcome.

Fat Chance wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:03 AM:Ron[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:44 AM: This demonstrates your ignorance and prejudice. The fact of the matter is that I am not a homosexual. I am about equal rights for every body. I believe in equal rights even for your types.

Tony wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:05 AM:Hate, bigotry, fear, etc. is learned at home and at church.

It is easy to teach hate.

You are taught to be afraid of
people whose eyes are oddly made,
of people whose skin is a different shade.

You are taught before it’s too late,
when you are six or seven or eight.

To hate all the people your relatives hate.

Stop fear and hate towards homosexuals and other minorities.

Equal Civil Rights for all citizens.

There is no such thing as separate but equal.

Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:06 AM:I will have to agree with Kim Oakley today, "Homosexual behavior is abnormal." Biologically Abnormal.
Really kind of Anti-Darwinist, if you will.

I do not attempt to use any kind of
"Scripture", either by Mormons, Jews, Christians or Muslims.
I think those are non-starters, except for those who believe in those texts.

As to the "moral codes" we all abide by:
adultery, murder and theft...
secularists are working on those too, posing them as "victims" of environment.

I fully expect them to march in the streets, and demand behavioral civil rights. They refuse to admit wrong, because there are only victims.
That's just how they see it.

Mocking laws and moral codes? They are inventing them as they go along...
In their world of moral relativism,
they still can not escape simple plumbing as designed by Mother Nature, or Gaia for the greenie's.

WELL SAID wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:10 AM:Charles Bagwell – – or, as someone else said:

"The most important thing to remember is that inflation is not an act of God, that inflation is not a catastrophe of the elements or a disease that comes like the plague. Inflation is a policy." – – Ludwig von Mises, 1881-1973 (professor, economist, political philosopher, author)

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 AM:Why aren't the homesexual protestors giving equal time to the other factions that were involved? Are you saying that it is ok to stand outside a church and protest but not protest a place where black people congregate? Why would that be?

Please explain to me why that is. I am genuinely curious...

My guess is that the protesters are afraid of the repercussions of protesting at such a place. I think that the protestors feel it is ok to protest and intimidate Christians,Mormons, etc because somehow it is now "OK" or even fashionable to do so. However, if you protest against black people.... hmmmm interesting thought eh?

What would happen to your protesters there? Would you be able to intimidate them as easily as you feel you can intimidate a Church-goer?

Fair is fair. Either protest all the supporters of prop 8 or none at all.

To Brett Swtizer wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:15 AM:Please tell me how, in specifics, your life would have been affected by the defeat of prop 8. YOU would not have been forced to do anything but accept that under secular law, gays have the same right to marriage as everyone else. You would not have to like, love, tolerate, support, or even acknowledge them on the street. You would still be free to believe as you like. You could still forbid your children from playing with theirs. You could join churches that ban them. Tell me again, how would your life be affected?

Chuck wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:31 AM:The news is reporting today that a young man in Nepal who allegedly performs miracles has returned to the jungle alone.
As he heads off to the jungle, the liberals bow in adoration, as another miracle worker starts his journey to Washington, on a chariot, being drawn by the very symbol of the deoncratic party (2 jackasses). He merely raises his staff and the womrn swoon and faint.

Still waiting wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:51 AM:I've been waiting for years for someone here to tell me specifically how ANYONE is harmed by allowing gays to marry. With all the Prop 8 support being yammered here day and night, they have yet to offer even ONE actual, factual way that anyone is harmed by allowing gays to marry. Pretty incredible, to deny people certain rights and privileges based only on disliking their kind without even being able to give ONE actual way that their marriages harm anyone. I suspect I'll be waiting for a long, long time. Sooner or later, the courts or a more enlightened generation (the same generation that voted for Obama, 70-30) will take care of this matter. But even after they do, there will be opponents, and those opponents will STILL be unwilling and unable to produce even ONE way anyone is harmed by it.

Change is simple wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:55 AM:Already the flood of "I thought Obama was gonna bring change" messages are with us. How ridiculous are these people? Look, to boil it down for you: America wanted a change, big time, from Bush's policies and philosophy of government. McCain, though he tried to steal the word, "change", in almost every way stood on Bush's platform of "stay the course". He lost. Change isn't about this or that little appointment, or whether the stock market goes down or up. It's simple: Bushian government is out, and that's the change America wanted and got. Simple. End of story.

Nuff Said wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:55 AM:Chuck[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:31 AM:
Just more repetitious gobbledygook. Obama
365 McCain 162. Nuff Said.

Olafs answeer wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:57 AM:The answers OLAF seeks:

OLAF: in reply to your inquiry of Nov 21 @ 11:24 AM:

... in which you demanded proof of a gay gene. I will provide you sufficient information so that you may launch your own academic discover and research. If you ignore this presentation, then we may rightfully call you either un-educatable or willfully ignorant.

First, we ask why you demand such information? If there is a gay gene, what does it prove to you, and how does it affect your acceptance of and attitude toward homosexuality? If there is no gay gene, what does it prove to you, and how does it affect your acceptance of and attitude toward homosexuality?

Secondly, this is a civil rights issue in the opinion of the most scholarly civil rights judges and law experts, and has nothing to do with genes. This is my position.


Thirdly, there is a large body of evidence for both a genetic and a biological basis for an individual’s sexual orientation, whether heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual or any place on the intermediate scale. Please understand, that if we go looking for a “gay gene”, we may also have to go looking for a “straight gene”, or even a “bisexual gene.” Genetics is a very complicated science. Has Olaf found the heterosexual gene yet?

I quote you an excellent quote by Irving Forbing:
QUOTE: “Genes are not simple things, where the finding of one that is responsible for a particular characteristic or behavior will be achieved.

Genes normally have between 5,000 and 10,000 base pairs of DNA in their structures.

Regardless of its size, one gene specifies the amino acid sequence of only one protein. This is the definition of a gene, but it turns out that many genes are also involved in the utilization of only one protein. This complexity is so great that many genes are required for the synthesis of any given protein and many proteins for the synthesis of any given gene.

It requires the interaction of other proteins, such as enzymes, and even then these reactions do not necessarily reveal the same results in every individual.” END OF QUOTE

QUESTION to OLAF, if you, in your genetic search, find the exact location of a specific “gay gene”, what do you plan to do with that finding?
Eradicate it? Destroy all humans who bear that gene? Send them to the gas chamber or ovens? Seek a “cure” for something beautiful that God has created?

To launch your search, begin with a study to see if homosexuality is a trans-species anomaly, in particular, among mammals. For if there is, this would indicate conclusively that homosexuality is not really so anomalous as first imagined. There is a great body of study and research in this area.

Your first assignment: Use Google to readily accessible studies and research. Suggestion: Google (1) “animal homosexuality biological exuberance” or try (2) “homosexuality among mammals”. This is an excellent place for you to start.

Your second assignment: Google up a very recent study with the entry “brain scan shows differences homosexuals”.

Your third assignment: Read this interesting report found with the Google entry of “Born gay? Seattle Times”.

Finally, when you have completed your homework, report back to me. I have much more information for you to pursue. I am very willing to assist you however you intellectual capacity and interest leads you, so long as your mind is open and curious.
GAY MAN

Another Day All 8 wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:05 AM:The word obsession comes to mind.

Corporate Expertise wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:07 AM:Where are all the conservatives who used to preach that government should be run more like a business?
Which business did they have in mind?
AIG?
Lehman Brothers?
GM? Ford? Chrysler?
Citigroup?
Enron?
HALLIBURTON?

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:07 AM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 AM: Protesters can pick and chose whom or what to protest. They do not have to give equal time to any association, group, organization or church. No, they are not saying it is right or wrong to protest one group and not the other group based on race or any other criteria. Protest is not an equal time venue. The protesters are protesting who they view who have been most offensive to them.

Heart of Darkness wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:09 AM:The news is reporting today that Chuck hasnt been outside of his house in 10 years. He hasnt opened a book in those same 10 years, and spends his time watching Fox News and re-runs of that great old show Pleasantville where things just never change. Chuck, you seriously need to go to a library or even take a class where you can actually challenge those liberal professors/teachers you hate so much. Now that would be a true miracle. At least the man from Nepal came out of the jungle,, you on the other hand really do live in the heart of darkness.

Duh wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:11 AM:Blogger Ron agrees with Kim Oakley that "Homosexual behavior is abnormal." They are right of course. Anything outside of the norm is abnormal.. like daily obsessive compulsive blogging. How many normal people do that? It's not normal Ron.

Tired of haters wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:16 AM:I agree with most of the comments posted early on this page regarding letters from Switzer, Oakley, Stanley et al. These writers missed the boat and stepped off the dock. Now they are sinking in a sea of self pity. Poor babies. They want to oppress and don't want any complaining about it. Bummer dudes and dudettes. Prop 8 was wrong in principle and none of these whiners nor their tyrannical votes will change that fact

grj wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:18 AM:Idea: how bout all the rich rebulicans moving to china so they can witness lack of human rights, similar tolaws Georgie Bishie put into force, and witness the pollution and other problems they are causing by building their garbage in china.Arrogant rich ceos, and business owners.Oh no here come the consertives up in arms because people don't want to hear the truth. America has been a sad arrogant war starting country hated throughout the world for being a big oil stealing bully.

Oh Ron wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:21 AM:A foreigner here with a student visa has a partnership with an American. When the visa expires, he has to leave the country. He can stay if he marries his partner. If he and partner are of the same sex, no marriage is allowed, he must leave. Ron, do you say this is right? Is this difference in rights under the law, this difference in liberty and the ability to pursue happiness something that you support because of "plumbing"? Let's be simple and specific. Are you in favor of this guy having to leave the US only because his partner is a male?

Yo Yo wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:22 AM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:12 AM:If you have a question about the protesters, I suggest that you make your inquiry to them.

Change wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:22 AM:The word most feared in North County - Change. So many writers are afraid of it. Afraid of gays getting equal rights. Afraid of our new president. Afraid of liberals. The shoe is on the other foot now, and the roles have reversed for chicken littles. The hand wringers and worry worts are now fretting from the right. Chill. It's going to be OK. No one could screw America up as bad as Bush has.

Cut costs wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:26 AM:Sad that the NCT has had to cut the staff in the news room. Did they have to hire more editors to screen blog entries from Ron. What a waste of money. More news and less right wing rants from long winded bloggers. Cut the blogs - keep the news.

Ditto Nuff Said wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:27 AM:Yes Chuck. You are in a shrinking gene pool.

Poetic Justice wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:28 AM:Yawn.
Ron.

grj wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:52 AM:Ron continues to bash Obama, and stick up for Bush who ruined the country .Obama is not even in office yet. Very chilish name calling, and to the people who write books on here not impressed with all your so called knowledge, a lot of it just comes from conservitive talk radio like rush what's his face the pill popper.

Jack_D wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:53 AM:To Kim Oakley:Question:if homosexuality is wrong because the Bible (God's word and therefore infallible)condemns it, what about this passage:

“If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they chastise him, will not give heed to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones; so you shall purge the evil from your midst; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.” (Deuteronomy 21:18–21).

Moving to the Right wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:53 AM:From today's New York Times:

“This is the violin model: Hold power with the left hand, and play the music with your right,” David J. Rothkopf" a Clintonista said about the Obama appointments.

Actually, considering the general philosophy of the Democratic Party, Obama's appointments are as good as could ever be hoped for. Clinton was a pragmatist of the Democratic Leadership Council mode, and with the exception of several notable mis-steps, was a competent president.

Let's hope for a repeat.

Last acts wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:19 AM:I don't know about you but I am thoroughly disgusted by the flurry of "rules" that Bush is beginning to enact, on his own, before he leaves office. They amount to one after another giveaway to big oil, big coal, and all the others, to the detriment of workers and the environment. What kind of irresponsible, cynical, America-hater is this guy? He has the lowest approval ratings in history. The person running as his successor was soundly trounced by a mandate for "change". So instead of respecting the desires of the American people, Bush goes out by spitting on us over and over again. Cronies over country, the Bush motto. And he claims to have been our elected representative leader? Bush is intent on proving, right to the last minute of his Nero-like reign, that he has nothing but total, absolute contempt for the people of the United States of America. A true enemy of just about all of us was put in the White House for 8 years. I pray the people who voted for Bush are paying attention to how awful this man really is, and will learn from it.

ANGRY GAY MAN wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:21 AM:If you are trailer trash or black

TO: Marriage License Analogy:

Your post of 8:59 AM is the most hateful and insidious ever posted on this site by the NCT.

Just substitute the N-WORD for the word “trailer“, and your hate in your heart is exposed. Or substitute “gay” for your word “trailer”.

SHAME on the NCT!!!

OUTRAGED . . wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:33 AM:The writer [8:59 am] has posted a blatantly racist and hateful comment. He compares other human beings who are different from himself as trash. He compares his big white house to a trailer, with the inference that he is a real human person, but the black person or gay is “trailer trash” and therefore is not a real person. Homosexuals, blacks and Latinos are not worthy to live in his neighborhood because they are different. They are not deserving of the same Constitutional rights. He states that people different from himself are asking for “special” rights -- not “equal rights” because they are not real humans.

To Brett Switzer wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:40 AM:How pathetic can you be to ask a monority to tolerate your beliefs. It must be a terrible life for you to live in constant fear of being discriminated against for being a heterosexual. YOU POOR MAN. REALLY.

grj wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:42 AM:Enough already with all this gay talk. Man and woman is the natural order. I knew a girl that went gay after bad boyfriend. Free choice just don't advertise to the whole world, keep it in the bedroom. Enough already with protesters of prop.8, you guys I mean gays lost (LOL) lighten up people.

TO the BLOG EDITOR wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:43 AM:The posting “Marriage License Analogy” is way over the line. It is thinly disguised but pure hatred and prejudiced. It is deeply offensive to state that gays are not deserving of equal rights because they are of an inferior or deviate design. Did you, as the editor, not perceive the hate in this blogger’s statement?

Fat Chance wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:06 PM:THIRD SUBMISSION: The answer is assaults and murder. So many assaults and murders that it qualified for hate crime.

Quoted Without Comment wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:13 PM:From Today's WSJ

Quote A Democrat shakes up Washington's failed public schools.

Guess who recently said the following: "Tenure is the holy grail of teacher unions, but it has no educational value for kids; it only benefits adults."

A right-wing blogger? No, those are the words of Michelle Rhee, chancellor of the Washington, D.C. schools, who is speaking truth to teacher-union power to shake up one of the nation's worst education systems.

In going after tenure, Ms. Rhee is taking on the holiest citadel of the education establishment. This summer she offered a new teacher contract proposal with two options. Teachers could choose a plan under which their pay would rise spectacularly -- nearly doubling by 2010 -- in exchange for giving up tenure. Or they could opt for a smaller pay bump and still lose some seniority rights...

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CAVEL wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:26 PM:At present I am optimistic that the California Supreme Court will overturn Proposition 8 on the grounds that it conflicts with the equal rights provisions of the California Constitution and that Prop 8 was ballotted improperly and in violation of the Calif Constiution. On the Federal level the election of Obama sets the stage for U. S. Supreme Court appointments favorable to civil rights to include mandating the right of same-sex marriage. Beyond that I see a steady liberalizing of societal attitudes in favoring civil rights for gays and lesbians. It will happen. Just think, 20 years ago the election of a black man as President Of The United States was unthinkable, now it's a reality. Our first President owned black people and now a black person will be President!

Born under a bad sign wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:29 PM:Writers Switzer, Polito, Oakley, Stanley and Wilt are stuck behind the 8 ball of hate. Their votes against gay marriage were like breaking a mirror. 7 years of bad luck for them.

John wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:34 PM:Dear Kim Oakley- If God is perfect, why did he create man? I think God is a perfect fairy tale for you.

GAY MAN wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:35 PM:Why the Mormons are the target

TO: Marine Gunner 9:12 AM.

Like good gunners, we target the source of the fire, and with limited resources, we target the heaviest and most deadly fire - which is the Mormon Church. The may constitute but 2% of the population of California, but they provided almost $22 millions (more than half) of the funding to launch their brutal attack on the right of all people to marry.

Blacks contributed very little money to the despicable war of defamation and hate. We do not blame blacks, although they voted heavily for Prop 8, because their message does not reflect the hate show by the Mormon church. We are able to reach out to our black brothers and sisters, but the Mormon Church is incorrigible. Furthermore, even gay blacks are more concerned with economic problems than gay marriage. The wealthier white Mormons are more concerned with gay marriage than about staying in their homes. They are part of the hard core right wing constituency that dwells upon gay marriage instead of equal rights and justice.

You must understand that the black citizens of this country are still an oppressed minority, and not by their choosing. The Mormons whine and protest that they are being targeted and persecuted, but that is by their own choosing: they have made a deliberate choice to propagate hate and prejudice.

Peace to you, gunner. GAY MAN

to Brett and Peggy wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:49 PM:Brett, your vote did indeed "rip anyone's rights away" and "aid in the oppression of a minority" and you certainly did "try and shove your beliefs down anyone's throat." You can't face your own bigotry! Prop 8 was all about taking people's rights away and oppressing them.

Peggy, you scare me you're so angry and hateful. You have no ability to see what damage Prop 8 did to gay people and to our basic tenet that all men are created equal? That you can ridicule those who are excercising their right to protest a law that unconstitutionally removes their rights is mean and unAmerican.

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 PM:Focal point: Exactly my point. They pick and choose based on what they think they can get away with.

Yo Yo: I have, right here in this blog. Where is good ol vitriol spouting Bodecea eh? Or even Alf, whom I have gained a bit of respect for because at least she is eloquent and is capable of reasoned debate.

Are you suggesting that I go in person to one of these protests? What do you think would happen to me if I posed that question? I would probably get attacked by them, then I would go to jail, while those that attacked me would go to the hospital or the morgue. Actually, on second though, I probably would not get attacked, See... I am not a little old lady or a young 16 year old girl singing songs with her church group. I am a Marine and that would most likely stop any intimidation tactics that group would try and use against me.

grj wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:01 PM:right on to last acts post, Bush is signing into law changes that will reek havok on the environment for years to come in more support to big oil etc., he should have been impeached but the protests were just not loud enough, he is by far the worst dictator ever to rule america.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:15 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 PM: Wrong. I did not say that at all. They chose to protest the people or organization that has done them the most harm. God help me if I ever even help make a point for you.

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:17 PM:To Gay Man:

Thank you for providing a sensible answer to my question. I may not agree with you entirely but you do have a point and it is well taken.

Peace to you and yours.

Yo Yo wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:18 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 PM: Do not put words in my mouth. If you want to know why the protesters do something, then ask them. I bet you can find a their blog as well as you found this one. I did not question our right to be here and express your opinion. Your original blog lacked a salutation. So, we do not know to whom you made your address. Or, ar you just used to shooting your mouth off? Is this your new idenity, Reardon?

tjefferson wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:29 PM:Kim Oakley writes of the millions of Mormons, Jews, Christians and Muslims who voted for Prop. 8. She must belong to one of those Christian groups that doesn't consider the Mormons to be real Christians. Even when they get together to beat up on gays, some of these religious sweethearts like Kim still can't keep from stabbing each other in the back. Ms. Oakley doesn't mention that the three biggest Jewish denominations came out against 8. She also ignores the millions Christians of the Episcopal, Methodist, Luthern, Unitarian and Quaker faiths who voted against prop. 8. I know many Catholics and even one Mormon who voted against 8 but I promised I'd never tell on him.

veterans wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:38 PM:After WW2, how many of our wars have been noble and right? Are these wars of imperialism and oppression on tiny helpless countries anything to be proud of? Did the soldiers die for their country or so that corporations can continue to make profits? Honor all the vets you want, but in the end it's big business that takes all the glory-all the way to the bank!While you weep and honor your vets, big corporations laugh and honor their banks!

Anti Marine wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:41 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 12:50 PM:I am a Marine and that would most likely stop any intimidation tactics that group would try and use against me.

This superman Marine complex is a joke. you can go out on Hill street or to the beach during the summer and watch Marines get their bums kicked. The protests wold not be interested in trying to intimidate you. But, one can easily see that you wish to intimidate them. Where you get this little ole lady and 16 year old girl thing.

Mother Goose wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:42 PM:Brett Switzer is reminiscent of Little Jack Horner who, upon sticking in his thumb and pulling out a plum, kept repeating to himself "oh, what a good boy am I".

To Tony wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:51 PM:You write: "There is no such thing as separate but equal."

I'll believe you really believe that when I see you write your support for unisex bathrooms in public and governmental places.

Sally wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:56 PM:The passing of Prop 8 did not take away anybody's rights. It just corrected a mistake made by the court.

To Yo Yo wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:04 PM:No, not Reardon, but Reardon appreciates most of MarineGunner's posts, particularly yesterday on education. signed, Reardon

Angry yet gay wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:07 PM:To Angry Gay Man: I think the analogy posted at 8:59 was clever.

If you substitute those awful words which you suggested (at 11:21) into today's weather report or a child's nursery rhyme, the result would be disgusting.

But they were your words.

Good use of boldface.

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 PM:Yo Yo: No, I am not Reardon. If you remember him, you should remember me as well. We had posts on the same blog many times. Either way that is irrelevant. I wasn't aware that I had to address my question to anyone in particular. As you can see above Gay Man has answered me, simply, efficiently and without the vieled implication of a threat I took from your non-response.

See, I have asked this question numerous times in many places and had not gotten a straight answer to it. Both you and Focal Point are stuck on this Us vs. Them mentality. Get over it. While both Gay man and Alf have gained respect in my eyes(not that it matters to you), the way Bodecea, Focal Point and yourself present your ideas just causes the chasm to spread further and further apart.

Now back to the point. I see and understand what Gay Man is saying in his response and to an extent I can agree with his reasoning. However, that said, I would like to point out that there were many Christians that voted no on 8. However as we have been told, 70% of black voters voted yes. That is a significant number and says more to me than any amount of money the Mormons threw at the issue. I don't know if 70% of Mormons actually voted yes or not.I am not a Mormon and I am not going to defend them. I am Christian however and I am fairly certain that the percentage of Christians that voted no is pretty substantial. I have heard of and seen a large amount of Christians speaking out against Prop 8, yet that does not take them out of your sights. Again I have no idea what the percentage really was but I do not think it is close to the realm of 70% voting yes, based on my conversations with people over the past couple weeks.

Alf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 PM:Well, "MarineGunner" at 12:50PM,
Thanks for the compliment.
All those on either side of Prop.8 who resort to violence and other criminal acts should be prosecuted to the fullest.
I'm male, the equipment told me so.
As far as why the protesters are protesting, if 52.2 percent of voting Californians voted to nullify your marriage, I think that you would protest.
If 52.2 percent voted to take away the rights of any minority and you were sympathetic to their plight, you might protest.
The precedent set by a narrow majority being able to modify the state Constitution to discriminate against one minority virtually ensures that others will soon be singled out. The only questions will be - How soon? and Who's next (who will be the next pariah du jour)?
Regards, Alf.

Analogy wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:26 PM:TO Marriage License Analogy[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:59 AM

Your blog is disgusting and you know it.

You hurt all decent people with your cruel words and nasty so-called analogy.

Papers to build a house and the extra junk you wrote have nothing to do with a citizen, a human being, wanting the same Civil Rights you have.

You do not write the truth. You lie "... when in fact you want more rights than your neighbor."

Civil Rights for all citizens including homosexuals and other minorities.

There is no such thing as separate but equal.

The educationin America must suck wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:35 PM:if so many people think Bush messed up our economy. He didnt. Bush did not force people in bad loans. Bush didnt make lenders lend to people who cant afford it. Media hype, which caused consumers to panic and spend less, caused a downward spiral towards layoffs, even less spending, etc. The media? 90% Democrat. It is a shame many people don't get that. They are like sheep.

Obama won based on lies wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:38 PM:That the Democrat media fed the people about the economy. I look forward to 2012 when Sarah Palin or Mike Huckabee wins the presidency.

Minorities wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:41 PM:Wonder if Switzer, Polito, Oakley, Stanley, Wilt, and others only want to live with non-thinking non-educated religious straight whites.

"In a Generation, Minorities May Be the U.S. Majority"

see above NY Times report at Nov 22, 2008 8:46am

~Tony

Chuck wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:50 PM:>>>>>TO the BLOG EDITOR
[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 11:43 AM:The posting “Marriage License Analogy” is way over the line>>>
I see the nice tolerant racketeers are now begging for censorship. No wonder people voted for 8. Theyre tired of the intolerance

Tony wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:58 PM:During the many months of blogs about homosexuals and Prop.8, there has not been info about how voting NO on Prop.8 would hurt a religious person.

Did the church give you blow by blow info of how harmful it is to sit next to a homosexual. Or it will harm you if you speak to a homosexual. And other false propaganda.

We continue to wait and hope to find out what you will have to do that will mess up your life.

You church-religion-bible people have messed up the lives of all the citizens by not allowing them to have the same CIVIL RIGHTS you have.

Caro Hussein Cogitatus wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:23 PM:Isn't it cute how Junious Montgomery still thinks that saying Barack Hussein Obama will scare people?

Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein Hussein

Memo to Junious: it didn't work. Try something else.

TO Marriage License Analogy wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:37 PM:I got a good laugh from the responses to your post.

With all of the really important stuff going on today, I am surprised that people are still crying about the Election results on Prop 8. Get over it, you lost. Try moving to another state if you do not like it. Californians have voted and for now it stands.

Alf wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:53 PM:Well, "Angry yet gay" at 2:07PM,
"Marriage License Analogy" is twisting things with a false premise, that one is permanent and the other is not.
Another false premise is that the "rules" or "code" of marriage require that the persons be of opposite gender.
As for permance, heterosexual marriages have a 50+ percent failure rate. How permanent is that? Imagine if houses had such a failure rate!
As for "rules" or "code", the rules and the code of the California Constitution prohibit discrimination based on gender or sexual orientation, it would seem that the problems that the Yes on 8 people have are with the equal protection clause and the proscription of discrimination based on gender and/or sexual orientation.
You can't have part of the Constitution prohibit said discrimination and another part explicitly be discriminatory.
The house versus trailer analogy is nothing less than a direct insult to homosexuals, essentially calling them "trailer trash",
as if they are "less than" real people and
as if they are "less than" deserving of EQUAL protection under the law.
If homosexuals can be voted by 52.2 percent of those who voted as being "less than" deserving of EQUAL protection under the law,
what will the next group be that a slight majority of those who vote determine to be "less than" deserving of EQUAL protection under the law?
Hmmmm?
If upheld, the precedent set by Prop. 8 opens the hanger door wide open.
Regards, Alf.

Oh Please wrote on Nov 22, 2008 4:40 PM:Heart of Darkness[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:09 AM: Everyone knows also that Chuck is the Prince of Darkness.

To Corporate Expertise wrote on Nov 22, 2008 5:18 PM:Re. “Corporate Expertise”, Nov 22, 2008 10:07 AM: See the post from “WELL SAID,” Nov 21 @ 3:28 PM. Does that help?

Nick wrote on Nov 22, 2008 6:39 PM:Charles Bagwell makes a good point in his letter in wanting to repeal the Federal Reserve Act....They have been controling us for far to long.
Ron Paul has been wanting to do this for a long time.

Did anyone happen to notice who Obama has picked to be Treasury Secretary???
Hmmmm...Tim Geithner, President of The Federal Reserve.
Considering that he helped orshestrate the acquisition of Bear Sterns by JP Morgan, it makes you wonder.
The man is supposed to serve the interest of the public but took it upon himself to be smack in the middle of private corporate business.
He was also director of the Policy Development and Review Department at the International Monetary Fund from 2001 until 2003, and is also a member of The Council on Foreign Relations and a member of The Trilateral Commisssion.

I have pointed out for quite a long time that you folks are being led like lambs to the slaughter and that Obama is actually worse than McCain (and they are both bad for this Country).
Both Obama and McCain are bought and paid for by The Trilateral Commission and The Bilderberg Broup, as is Hillary(who is going to be Secretary of State).

Yes folks, America is in dire straights and unfortuately, it is going to get worse.
Just wait and see the rest of Obama's appointments........
The Power Elite have exactly what they want...one of their errand boys as President, and more of their pawns being placed by Obama.

Yes folks, change is coming...but it won't be good.

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:28 PM:To Anti Marine:
Sure, Marines get their kiesters handed to them from time to time, and they probably deserve it when it happens. However, you do have to acknowledge that there are those of us that people just don't mess with. Call it having a cerain "bearing" if you will. I am not talking smack, just telling it like it is.

As far as the little old lady and the church group girl goes: I would post links for you if NCT would let us. However I am sure google would provide you with plenty of information if you look for it. While your at it why don't you look up what happened in that Church in Michigan...

Also, not sure what happened to the reply to Yo Yo and Focal Point a few hours ago...

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:33 PM:Marine Gunner: Incorrect again. The only concern to me is the equal protection under the law. The marriage issue is a secondary issue. I will not get over it.
The law of this country is the Constitution and not a holy book.

Yo Yo wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:35 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 PM: Veiled threat? I simply advised you to ask the protesters your question.
It is not my habit to make indirect or veiled threats. They are always direct.
None was made to you.

Gotta Wonder wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:39 PM:Sally[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 1:56 PM: I think Sally is Mother Goose. It certainly deprive selected individuals of their rights under equal protection clause. The court was not in error. The court performed its function and interpreted the state constitution correctly. The future state and federal Supreme Court cases will determine the final outcome.

Nuff Said wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:50 PM:Obama won based on lies[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:38 PM: The truth is that McCain lost based upon his lies. Obama 365
Mccain 162 Nuff Said

Anti Marine wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:28 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:28 PM: I'll let you know when I meet one.

Anti Marine wrote on Nov 22, 2008 8:46 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 7:28 PM: Did just that. Prop 2 is the equivalent of Prop 8 In California. Did3
not find any record of violence or arrest.
So, just name the news source and a quote or two.

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:29 PM:Yo Yo: Point taken and I apologize.

Focal Point: What am I wrong about? That you are stuck on the Us Vs. Them mentality? Well, I respectfuly disagree based on your statement: "God help me if I ever even help make a point for you."
What have I ever done to you to deserve such a statement?

Alf: My apologies for misinterpreting your gender in an earlier post.

Gotta Wonder wrote on Nov 22, 2008 9:31 PM:MarineGunner[-] wrote on Nov 22, 2008 2:15 PM: Is that guilt by association?
Only kidding.

Nicks Tricks wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:11 PM:There goes Nick again, at 6:39 p.m.
Trilateral Commission. Bilderberg Broup (I assume that was supposed to be "Group").
National Banks to regulate currency as enumerated in Article I Section 8 of the Constitution.
All a big conspiracy, but no evidence, no documentation of any kind to support any claim beyond the existence of the Trilateral Commission as a bipartisan, multinational debating society.
If there is something sinister there; if there is some kind of "Power Elite" - if there is some kind of broad conspiracy to dominate, WHERE IS THE PROOF.
Just the wild ramblings and unsupported, undocumented rantings of the those pulling the tinfoil ever tighter around their ears.
Oh yeah, this from the same guy who claims (still with no evidence) that the 14th and 16th Amendments were never actually ratified, but questions serious science when backed up by carefully documented empirical and scientific evidence.
Some people just live in delusional worlds of fantasy.
Proof, Nick, Proof.

Focal Point wrote on Nov 22, 2008 10:28 PM:Marine Gunner: Yes, again, you are correct. Let me be very specific. God help me that I assist any one or any organization to subvert the State of CA Constitution or the Constitution of the United States.

to Marinegunner wrote on Nov 23, 2008 12:54 AM:Geez, what a name.
No one wants to protest against racial minorities, like black people. Just the people who want to discriminate against gay people. There must have been this total divide that I don't understand just lately. It is not like we live in Texas or Utah. This is California, people. Gay people want equal rights. Get used to it.

Alf wrote on Nov 23, 2008 5:04 AM:Well, "MarineGunner" at 9:29PM,
no offense taken.
I guess that I haven't bragged recently about building my house (co-designer, carpenter, plumber, electrician and roofer) although none of those trades are unique to men. The best electrician I've met so far was a pretty woman (don't tell my brother-in-law, he's just a bit slower than she was), I'm good but slow and speed doesn't count when you're an owner-builder. Now I'm honing my skills as a photographer, my true passion for the last 46 years.
Regards, Alf.

Vista Granny wrote on Nov 23, 2008 7:20 AM:Marine Gunner and Little Annie Oakley , Ron, and Junious belong to another era . What, exactly, is an habitual adulterer? What's wrong with unisex bathrooms? (Used many of them in other countries -- clean and decent.) And have MG and Ron forgotten the many horrible things which have been done to homosexuals in this country over the years? As for attacking little old ladies -- well, that did happen I guess, but a little old lady who would walk into the middle of a demonstrating crowd carrying a plastic cross is kind of asking for it, isn't she? And do we know what she did with that cross and her mouth before she got hurt? Did someone hurt her deliberately, or did she stumble and fall? Oh, it's Sunday morning and I have two turkey dinners to go to today --

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 23, 2008 10:13 AM:Anti Marine:

I found this one in my first google search. I hope this gets through the mods.

Type this into Google:
Is Anarchy the Answer in Proposition 8 Protests?

Vista Granny: You say "-snip- but a little old lady who would walk into the middle of a demonstrating crowd carrying a plastic cross is kind of asking for it, isn't she?"

Asking for it??? Are you serious?? Think about what you just advocated....seriously. Look at the big picture now... If you can say she was "asking for it" then the reverse could hold true if the situation was reversed. Now, who is it that is living in the wrong era?

MarineGunner wrote on Nov 23, 2008 10:23 AM:To: to Marinegunner,

At least I use a name, one that I am proud of and I am not afraid to post using it. Can't say the same for you though. Kinda cowardly, especially when you advocate discrimination.

Nick wrote on Nov 23, 2008 12:30 PM:To "Nicks Tricks": I provided pages and pages and pages of documentation on all the matters you have stated.
Not my problem yoiu can't think for yourself and see the writing on the wall.
You can be another mindless sheeple...it's cool.
Just don't start crying later on down the road and say...but I didn't know..no one said anything...LMAO

Nicks Tricks wrote on Nov 23, 2008 3:27 PM:Nick at 12:30 p.m. claims: "I provided pages and pages and pages of documentation on all the matters you have stated." (Regarding his wild-eyed, bizarre claims of international conspiracies, as espoused primarily by the JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY.)

No Nick, actually you never have.
You have copied and pasted pages and pages of recycled (and probably copyrighted) material from other web sites and other sources, but ALL of it was just the unfounded charges and allegation and NONE OF IT contained any objective verification of your absurd claims which remain wholly and completely UNFOUNDED.

Nick, your blogs reveal a person who is quick to believe the wildest, most unsubstantiated claims, yet if scientists offer extensive consensus backed up by extensive experimental and observational data, you accuse them of bizarre scams and conspiracies as well (that is, UNLESS they have been funded by special interests who profit from misinformatin, then they're OK by you).
I think you got a couple of wires plugged in backwards.
That tinfoil must have shorted something out.